Should humanists have equal rights to religions?

well just before Christmas the government quietly dropped the idea of allowing humanists to legally conduct weddings despite its review finding that a majority of people were in favor of the idea in Scotland since humanist weddings were made legal they've proved extremely popular now more people are choosing marriage over just living together great success well now the British Humanist Association is lobbying for humanism to be on the exam syllabus for GCSE AAS and a-levels in religious studies should humanists have equal rights to religions well from discuss Jesus table yeah from whom we heard earlier on we were discussing this just before the program and talking about for example humanist weddings and you were saying you thought they were demonic I do yeah I think I do think they entirely demonic see my eel goes back to bill goes back to the origins of humanism humanism is the cancer or Thanksgiving it is the devil's PR it is a first-class ticket to the sea of wantonness and debauchery of everything of every form the reason it no Waterson is a great thing about this program I've got because and I hope people are appreciated we try and give a range of opinions you would have there are plenty of people who agree with you other I'm sure I'm joking right there are a number of face week I like to I like to think that what people freedom of speech PMC the issue with humanism is that it tries to knock God off the front and it's and when we look at the Bible the Bible talks about Lucifer whose name is the devil and his attempt was to ascend to the Most High and sit under on both sides of the North and basically replace God this is an it's the same spirit the same sign of God right exactly it's Scotland it hasn't it has bolstered the institution of modes you've heart you you probably won't like this but they've been pagan weddings I know you of course you won't like it I mean they've been wide-angle large wedding Zeus is a New Age philosophy they've been spiritualist weddings people who talk to the other side and buy back so see I don't think this is good for society because God instituted marriage God based on the Word of God based on the Word of God he brought Adam and Eve together and so the very historical book which has stood the test of time isn't the very guideline we ought to follow and I think humanism is a first-class ticket to the very hyper sexualized culture that we're seeing right Andrew Kotzen what is what is before we cast you out all your work what is I'm seriously bang what is humanism um well if you're going to go to wantonness and DePorter suppose you might as well travel first-class and I think I think that humanism is in a genuine sense more of a first-class worldview than has been depicted humanism is the non-religious worldview that instead of looking to revelation or authority we look to reason evidence to understand the universe instead of looking to moral rules that come from outside human beings we look to other human beings to generate values in the here and now and also to generate meaning our life instead of looking externally for some meaning to give value and sanction to the existence that having a humanist view is that men and women in the course of our lives create and sustain meaning together by giving our lives purpose and a sense of fulfillment now I think that is a very satisfying worldview a worldview that has made a massive contribution to human progress and achievement it's a worldview that is held by a very large number of people in Britain over a third in opinion works by many people do you think a lot of those people would not call themselves feminists they don't know those that's right I think that's very interesting point of view I mean about 40 percent of people in Britain share those attitudes and beliefs and values but only about 5% of people call themselves humanists which is about the same numbers hold on that I disagree Ottawa I don't disagree with a survey result of a survey get to choose where that factor to that view which has made that powerful contribution to human well-being Cristian motivates for example me to sit here politely listening to being called wanton and abortion rather than trying to interrupt other if I don't moment sure is you know the normal of Sunday morning is it is worthy of respect now when it comes to areas of our public common life like what we learn about in schools it is right that we should learn about religions and respect other people's points of view which am as I would always do and you would not but um if we're learning about that we should also be learning about humanist views that's my opinion and as you say in Scotland humanist weddings have been massively popular last year they were all Catholic Catholic maladies you just say Pol Pot do you want to get to a list of Christians who've killed millions as well okay let's move I want a vote from the chemo rose to the Reverend Rose say no you're wrong and the chemo rouge to the moon listen it's just rose it's just rose okay brugge want you in what problems you have with this in the light of what you have just said i'm quite puzzled as to why an organization or a group that is anti religion is then trying to hate but all right the the religious practices we're also talking schools and education yes what why are they trying to have that in the slot called the likes penis i don't understand it what's your problem with that well from marriage is a sacred act we see it as something really sacred a gift from god as it were and a registry office of yes yeah and so and so it is not it is not something that we think any anybody just gets up and stand in front and say yes I'm marrying you a little with it no no I'm not opposed to civil weddings I am specifically in this context if humanists are anti religion and auntie anything to do with that I don't understand why you then want to ape and do all the thing is that religion that's I don't understand it one question of rose then I'll be with you Julian and Ruthenian if you knew someone who's a friend who invited you would you go to a humanist wedding I don't know I've never been I've never been to a humanists wedding well and I don't even has a face it is a rather I'm not a humanist I do respect there are different ways on the view I do pause I pause because I genuinely don't know what is it all to know Fran advises awake Mike my views of what a wedding is Muslim I've never been I've never been to an ethnicity I said Julie Harper sir Julie I'm sorry father Gus I just want somebody who's I think supposed to be my chaplain in the House of Commons who has such a dismissive view of anybody's that's not realistic there are lots of people who will celebrate things in different ways humanist funerals are incredibly popular incredibly moving and you're happy with those you're not I have an idea that marriage should be sort of a religious belief I find very upsetting lots of people want to have humanist weddings fit with their beliefs marriage institute massive marriage marriage massively Swedish the Bible we're going to happen I'm showing you an evil and I'm sure a minute and I will come to you okay I want to hear them tell you again but I want to hear the clear calm voice of Julian Merritt marriage predates the Bible it's not purely from the by but I would hope you wouldn't be advocating many of the practices in the Bible around marriage which we have now substantially moved away from so there are lots of people in England who want to get married who want to have a humanist celebration because that is their belief system and I cannot understand why people would want to say the group of people who want to get mowed in a certain way which would be a very pleasant way to do it of it that fits with their beliefs but very decent approach should be banned from doing so I'm incredibly point to the Prime Minister vetoed it it's a great shame we managed to get legislation to the same-sex marriage act I'm very proud of that means that any future government can enable humanist weddings something something I would like to see implemented as soon as possible we've seen it being a huge success in Scotland you know saying like 3,000 people have gone through this a third most popular there that's something we should all support for people who wish to have a humanist wedding no one should be forced to but nobody should be bad okay I'll come back briefly and Kate and run Rose so you're all on my list see I think the audience please if you want to express a view on this to see you're not looking happy about what you know I'm not I'm not I'm not happy about the whole kind of humanist doctrine that you know they want to kind of you know force down people's throats what's funny is like you know they're trying to copy the very things that the Bible does well are you wonder about the tissues and teachings in the schools as well I think yeah I think that's another issue as well you know teaching young people about you know basically saying that there's no God what you how'd you feel about teaching young people at the evolution I think that's I think that's a lie I genuinely genuinely think that's a lie um because if we I thought if we are evolving and while we evolving - mm-hmm and it's something like worry I make this point as well if we are subject to matter time and space yeah then if it's finite how did it come to be hmm well I know I want to respond to what I find quite a lot to go on there just respond it's just we're just jumping in very very quickly first of all this idea that humanists and secularists are somehow aggressively forcing their IDs I don't know I've lived in my house for about ten years and I would say about once a fortnight someone comes down and knocks on my door and tries to convince me to become a Christian or a Muslim and on one occasion of Rastafarian but nobody has ever come around my house to try to demand that I adopt secular individual bodyslam Binet mock you insult God then what like you were when you wailing no let me get to move straight on from they have no idea about most honorable value of the Bible you just I have a great minute idea about the historical value line it's rather let me finish I think that we live in a very messed up society if we say aren't relationships great aren't long-term relationships great for our culture doesn't this add something to our society isn't this great let's celebrate them and if this person wants to help people celebrate them because he believes in a person from 2,000 years ago who turned water into wine and raised the dead and walked on water and all this kind of stuff fair enough but if my cousin Sarah wants to do it who's a lovely warm-hearted caring reasonable rational individual well we couldn't possibly accept that well that's an absolute no rose why do you want to stop and then Jonathan you can find this why do you want to stop her lovely cousin my fictional cousin Sarah but she's actually you just be accusing him of fictional people and you're making the she'd walk on water as well sad I've actually never said that I wanted to stop it I said I did not understand why they wanted religion is advising there are about schools they write about education in schools people teaching these well away a lot of religious people believe it just secularism let's just say that humanist values yes schools places of learning are good places to have that debate I have no problem with children wrestling with those issues that they're going to grow up and be a part of the necesito no no no exactly the schools are about education not indoctrination if they should be and therefore if this is a view shared by a significant part of the country it's not my view but it's all the people of youth and it should be represented and by the way we religious people actually have to say sort of thank you to the humanists because look the earlier debate about freedom of speech freedom of speech was never a religious value it wasn't in Judaism Christianity or Islam and fortunately we've had to learn it from the secular world we've taken on board but we've witnesses an example where actually we can have some interfaith inter-religious dialogue Douglas has been Tonica autism we've had you Sara knows what happened blue shirt yeah couple of points firstly Rose said humanism as anti religious I'm a humanist I'm not anti religious the the main point I wanted to make about the marriage thing is there are basically two models you can have in France everybody has to go to the town hall they register the wedding and then after that they can do whatever they want in this country we don't have that model and that's fine nobody wants to force the French model onto us but it just seems incomprehensible that one group of people as appears to be represented by the Church of England wants to prevent another group of people me from having a wedding which is legally recognized the message to me is that I'm a second-class citizen dr. saundra comment this quarter with you right there being another show some time ago now we have by the way seen a very good demonstration of why it's important to retain the ability to mock and and it is and I hope we would do it with somebody who has had it explained just that you know your your respect even partly because you have actually been willing to say what you believe and I think that is very important a lot of people don't I would hope that instantly if it was a devout Muslim who felt that we would feel as confident to mock and laugh at your views I'm not sure we would but if I could just say you know the thing is that really I mean it is appalling that humanists can't matter if they want to you one of the things you have to know is that when you turn on the television you see some act of violence you know it's not gonna be a humanist marriage is you Manasa married her for you rise up wait please do you have a I don't if you do or not be Java thought on this humanism in schools humanist marriages are you supportive it's important to learn about different things so yeah I think that's a very good solution imagine no us I never ceases to amaze me the people that believe in an omnipotent and omnipresent you got married recently didn't yes I did yes gratulations thank you Civil Registry in a kind of mixed and non faith wedding we won't go into that too much but I am now happy married people have believed in omnipresent is an omnipotent god who is all-powerful it just never ceases to amaze me that people who believe in that concept are perennial II worried about to quote the gentleman knocking god off his throne I don't understand how to chaps well a man and woman or a man and a man getting married in some place in Preston or wherever right are you know not God off his throne and it what it does really tell me is of the terrible terrible insecurity within people that insist in the certainty of their beliefs whether it's about cartoons or it's about not recognizing humanist weddings or generally not recognizing something else I mean the long pause we heard from the lady when asked about whether she'd go to her friend's wedding who's a humanist that long silence indicates that level of insecurity in one's own selves and it's whether it's cartoons or humanist weddings in fact because the gentleman was saying that he doesn't believe in mocking a profit yet sat there and mocked someone else's beliefs and in fact I really thank you all very much today's continuing with the button next week thank you

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Published: Sun Jan 11 2015

Reddit Comments

[u/ihopeirememberthisun]

No, because religions should have no rights.

[u/Shrikeangel]

More rights.

[u/[deleted]]

If you can legitimately phrase a question like that what you need to ask is "why do certain religious people have more rights than anyone else"

[u/ConstableJelly]

A bit off topic but I've seen a few clips from this show and it seems really cool. I wish we had something like it in the US, but I don't think it would be this successful, in execution or popularity. Thanks for posting this one.

[u/DA-9901081534]

Good video.

Personally, I hold that marriage is a celebration of love with economic/tax benefits. I wouldn't ask any god to accept me for it, but to dismiss my want to celebrate and enjoy the same benefits of others seems highly suspicious to me, very much like being treated as a second class citizen.

I couldn't help but laugh along with the others though...

I don't think humanism deserves to be placed alongside religion. It deserves to be named Critical Thinking and taught as the basis before anything mythological is taught.

Let the children pick up religion by all means, but don't force it upon them. Give them the tools to think before you stuff their head full of cotton wool.