Angry Woman WALKS OFF During Change My Mind Conversation | Trump is Not A Fascist (2018)

it's the definition of a fascist i'm glad you've asked let's agree to start with a definite you want to read that for me that's from miriam webster political philosophy movement or regime that exalts nation wow and often raised above the individual and stands for the centralized reading that uh i would say no because i don't think he exalts the nation at all okay continue it's centralized centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader well i do think she's dictatorial okay severe economic and social regimentation no forcible suppression of opposition yes okay so there you go you just made a few assertions there based on the definition of fascism but we agree on the definition of fascism i'm defining it as prediction where did that come from anyway merriam-webster okay all right yeah you know so i'm trying to be as unbiased as i can here so where would you say uh he's a fascist donald trump i would say that opposition that uh the suppression of opposition right the suppression of opposition okay how so well let's see we just had the man's uh security clearance removed simply because he has vocally disa disagreed with president which man are we talking about um the ex-general or he was a military man okay no no actually i think he'd been the cia director under obama okay and he's threatening to re remove other people's uh security clearances as well okay he also says uh the press is the enemy of the people okay okay and then okay so can we can we take a couple of those now cause you just issue two okay so a couple of things for example um probably the most uh severe example is he fired comey right that was a big one fire james comey so we're talking about the investigation i know we often go to the russia probe or who he's granted security clearances to or removed let me ask this is it within his constitutional authority to do that yes okay so that wouldn't be an example of fascism no your problem isn't with donald trump your problem was with the united states law uh then you talk about uh he's he said i want to make sure i have your quote correct that the press is the enemy of the people is that what you said i think it's it oppresses in that definition yes but you but that was a quote that you used right he's that donald trump has said the press is the enemy of yes he says the press is the enemy of the people okay do you know where that quote actually comes from no i don't stalin yeah donald trump didn't say that he talked about fake news saying that right now himself no he's talking about fake news is a quote that he's used which was a leftist term i'm sure you know it was invented by liberals which he then co-opted he's not saying himself yeah that right now currently whoever said it first yeah is he not currently saying that the press is the enemy that exact quote is a quote attributed to stalin has so i'm talking about something i'm misinformed has he said yes you are but then let's move on i'm misinformed yes at that scene his tweets that say the press is the enemy of the people or his television he's talking about fake news yeah but let's move on again to there's rhetoric i think is important and there's policy so you've talked about the press for example and i think that's important i think freedom of the press is very important for example we both agree if someone sought to nationalize the press that would be a problem that'd be a step toward fascism right would we both agree on that yes okay good good so we have some common ground there what has donald trump done as far as actionable steps taken towards suppression of the free press well hasn't he tried to not allow people into the white house into the press room he's he's trying to dictate who's allowed to come in and not come in uh that's a small amount of suppression it's not a legal huge up sure exactly um you know yeah he hasn't passed the law he hasn't pulled out the police he sure but just in saying that and and so back to the rhetoric right the rhetoric so not so much policy it sounds to me you have a problem with the rhetoric that's correct because his policies would actually fly in the face of that um because you you were the one who sat down you believe he's a fascist so if we talk about policy i mean president obama actually withheld more information spent 36 odd something million dollars under the freedom of information act to withhold information from journalists well hold on this is why it matters because donald trump has not done that donald trump has not does not matter we are not going to obama to compare obama's fascist i don't know okay but you said with such authority that donald trump is a fascist if i just continue along with my point here uh barack obama used the espionage act not only to spy on but prosecute more leakers whistleblowers and journalists than any president in history the reason i bring this up is because donald trump hasn't done that as a matter of fact he's been more transparent he's been more open to the press than the previous president i don't think barack obama was a fascist and i don't think donald trump is a fascist you are saying definitively that donald trump is a fascist based on rhetoric i'm showcasing you hispanic why would he say this then if he's so transparent and so open and so actually wanting the press in why i wouldn't why does he say that why does he say because the press has an inherent liberal media bias and it's dishonest oh excuse me why how do you prove that what are the numbers where were the studies that this this this mainstream media is is so liberal and progressive and communist and whatever you want to say towards the left that they have this bias one thing if you could do me a favor i didn't put any words in your mouth don't put words in my mouth you but you changed the argument used to which we i thought were talking about donald trump when you switched it over to obama do you understand the purpose for that though do you understand the purpose no no you said donald trump is a fascist no but why are we talking obama because obama actively sought to suppress the press and donald trump doesn't that's right how do i know he hasn't how do i know he has when i hear from his mouth that he does not like the press and that they're lying and that everything that they say is fake with the exception of one dues program yeah a lot of what they say yeah is fake substantiated why does he also then retweet unsubstantiated claims from people see again we're getting back into rhetoric could you point me to any i have no other substantive policies i only i the only information i have is what i can read and what i can see on television and so whatever donald trump puts out as a tweet that is what i know okay what do you read and what do you what do you uh watch as far as television news uh i watch fox and i watch msnbc okay that's good i'm glad you balanced kind of two sides yes i do that's very that's very respectable um and i actually appreciate that i think it's more valuable than watching cnn that kind of plays down the middle when they obviously lean left um and what do you read why do you know cnn obviously leans left well if you look at look you want to take jake tapper's example do you want to take uh a multitude of their reporters you want to take a multitude of people who actually work at cnn who have direct ties to the hillary clinton campaign but i don't want to get off on the beaten path here i brought that up because you definitively said donald trump as a fascist right i'm not mistaken that was your assertion well i said that looking at that definition i think parts of it met donald trump not all of it okay so he has not made laws or he can't make laws but he has not done things he's not pulled up the army or whatever forces he could he could make to suppress people or oppress people he he has not done that he has actually because we don't have these laws we've been working i think under the assumption that some behaviors they were just they were customs they were customary this is the way people customarily uh did things uh customarily uh presidential candidates uh showed us their tax returns so no donald trump hasn't broken any laws and not showing us his tax return he simply has broken custody what does any of this have to do with donald trump being a fascist nothing okay i think i was getting to a point of there are points in that where i that with that definition that i think he pulls into fascism but not all of it so you believe donald trump's tax returns as it relates to him being a fascist are more relevant than previous presidents and their suppression of the press no i i was using as tax returns as an as an example it's an example that's why i was using barack obama in the stream in the press so i'm okay with using the tax returns i disagree that that would make him a fascist no i didn't say that would make no i understand and i also didn't say that it would make barack obama a fascist i'm just i was pointing out the act of suppression and prosecution of journalists which was unprecedented under president obama same thing we're talking about you know you just mentioned that he can't make this into law well unfortunately because of executive orders now in precedent there are a lot of executive orders that have made law you know most uh egregiously would be daca or title ix that we saw from the previous administration whereas executive actions are simply meant to actually guide current laws and how they are interpreted so he could so a good example of fascism would be someone who would sign an executive order that would actively suppress the press uh he hasn't done that an executive order you know uh somehow using the second amendment or changing it thereof for a free citizenry to be an armed populace or signing an executive order for example that might silence freedom of speech through roundabout ways he hasn't done any of those things you know he has actually rolled back regulations rolled back taxes rolled back red tape he's been less invasive into your life so i just don't see how that's invasive into my life yes uh and he can break laws and get away with it that's unfortunately been the case with like where you are everyone here is breaking laws if you were to pass out tickets here i'm talking about washington d.c i don't live in dc i'm not i'm not from washington okay so he can what laws would you say he's broken gotten away with uh the immigration okay the problem at the border when people cross the border and try to apply for what are these the people who are saying that they are being oppressed or or have trouble in their home countries yeah asylum but refugees right and so he says he is saying there are no refugees these are simply all illegal immigrants and as they step foot across the border they are now criminals yes so is he not breaking is that a law or is that simply accustomed united nations who somebody put out and said you have to take refugees in is he not breaking laws no he's not in fact that is united states law your problem would be with existing united states law if you cross the border and enter this country illegally excuse me i'm not down there saying you can't come across no there should be someone yeah no i'm saying i'm personally not down there saying these people are not allowed to come across but someone should be just president trump has his group of people down there saying they're not allowed to come across right yeah they're not allowed to cross how is that fascism i'm saying well he's breaking laws no he's not he's enforcing the united states immigration law you can't cross into this country talking immigration law versus the problem of the refugees who are coming here and saying i would like to apply for refugee status i would like to prove that i've been sure and and they just they're not giving their day at court they've had i think there was something reported of a woman who was her day that she was supposed to actually be in court was on a plane being sent back to venezuela guatemala wherever and the judge says get her back here can i ask you a question sure i want to because we like we just and i appreciate you taking the time and i appreciate you being civil um i think we're we're maybe missing each other here can you explain to me someone crosses the let's say mexican-american border right uh does so without any verification just does so in the heat of the night illegal immigrant right what is the difference between somebody who does that and somebody who does it and seeks refugee status what's the difference between an illegal immigrant and an undocumented refugee who comes here illegally i think if there were people who were sitting at the border trying to to walk into from what i understood that there are sort of government uh spots where they could walk in there and say i'm here as a refugee please allow me and those places were closed down how do you make it impossible for them not to obey the law and then arrest them and say you disobeyed the law what what law is he disobeying by not allowing illegal immigrants sir i tell you i'm not sure if it's united states law if this is nato if this is and we pass we sign treaties with people saying we are going to treat refugees in this certain way it's not what's not it's not you said you don't know it's not a law so because when you brought up who who's who protects the refugees who's who gave us this that you know a refugee comes in and says please let me in i i understand for i understand where you're coming from a place of compassion right these people no please don't go there please don't go there we're trying to say that to me a fascist is a person who i'm not coming from compassion i'm coming from this position i'm coming i understand that because i'm compassionate toward these people but rule of law doesn't matter your problem is not with uh the united states president trump it's with the united states it's with president trump you know he's breaking the law and not allowing these people to come in no he's not he's not bringing the law i think that's important again there's nothing fascist about having borders like if we go back to fascism we're talking about autocratic control of government or a racial ethno-nationalist state there's nothing fascist about actually enforcing current immigration law what current immigration laws i don't even know what they are does anyone know what they are yes what are they you're not allowed to come to this country illegally and you should be deported what about the refugees i said i'm not talking about they enter illegally illegally they're to be deported they're illegal immigrants they are absolutely in prevented from doing it legally then what is that that is enforcing immigration laws do you believe that it's a right that anyone who wants to come here should be able to be granted uh citizenship no okay so what's the problem with vetting people are coming here illegally you were trying to twist this around you were not addressing the refugees you're not addressing the fact that people are coming here from venezuela or guatemala whatever south american countries they're trying to come in sure saying that i cannot stay there yeah we were killed oh you have such compassion but it is irrelevant it is irrelevant yes but it's very compassionate of you to say that it's too bad well you don't know what the law is and then i've informed you what the law is and then you said donald trump is a fascist so i want to make sure they understand this you believe donald trump is a fascist because he's enforcing immigration pressured speech do you believe donald trump is a fascist because he enforces immigration law you guys can just twirl stuff around i'm not trying to push your stuff around and and say all you want pretend to be compassionate and you're not can i say one last thing one last thing can we discuss one last thing very hot i know it's very hot let me let me see if we can find common ground on on this one i doubt it you doubt it i don't i think you might i think you might be surprised okay i actually have a real problem with fascism and i would be the first i would be locking arms with you against fascism for example i would like man if for example a man who probably did the most can i can i specify and for american rights and laws mr mccain senator mccain and the disrespect he showed that man excuse me goodbye okay well you didn't allow me to speak but that's pretty disrespectful i would say yourself

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Published: Thu Oct 01 2020