AMD Hits Hard: Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. i9-12900KS

[Music] today we're back in the lab to review Andy's new ryzen 7 5800 X 3D that is in fact the name this CPU has been in discussion for almost a year now AMD has basically stacked an additional 64 megabytes of L3 cache on top of its existing 32 megabytes found in the 5800x the original and at the 450 MSRP price point for the x3d it is launching at the same original price as the 5800x that makes this particularly interesting right now because Intel just weeks ago rushed out the door its own response to this its preemptive response which was the 12900 KS that we just bought for 800 so that's the competition that the 5800 X 3D is going up against today we're going to be benchmarking it AMD has mostly been making claims about gaming saying that this should be about 15 faster on average in games than the previous 5800x let's get started before that this video is brought to you by thermal Grizzly thermal Grizzlies I do not and cry or not thrown face are high performing thermal interfaces for use on CPUs and gpus you can bring an old card back to Peak Performance by replacing it and doing preventative maintenance and thermal Grizzlies Hydra knot is ideal for water Cooling and Air coolant for new and old cards alike cryronaut paste is one of the top performing pace for extreme overclocking with CPUs and gpus and has been used in several world record scoring machines learn more at the link in the description below so the approach AMD has taken here isn't quite the same as the Sega Genesis 32x but it is a physical stacking of Hardware to achieve an advanced version of an existing part and the 5800x 3D it takes a piece of cash as a separate module that is stacking on top of the existing chiplets or one of them inside of the ryzen 5800x Andy is using a direct Copper to Copper bond to do this and the end result is something that after sanding some of the layers down on the 5800x 3D is the same Z height as the original the 800x so it doesn't change the cooler requirements doesn't change the way the socket works or the motherboard works at all everything works the same way in spite of the fact that technically there is an additional layer of silicon on top of the existing silicon that is in a 5800x non-3d the 5800x3d's other specs include the same 8 core 16 thread configuration as the 5800x but it drops in frequency to a claim to 4.5 gigahertz Max boost and 3.4 gigahertz base the 5800x claims that 4.7 gigahertz Max boost and 3.8 gigahertz base instead so the 5800x3d will not be better in frequency dependent applications that care little for the additional layer of cash the 5800 X 3D will launch on April 20th as well so AMD is giving everyone six days to watch the reviews first which is actually great and really rare because that allows people time to decide if they want to buy this before just rushing to try and grab whatever inventory is available in terms of comparable CPUs here's is what it's fighting against the original 5800x is now about 340 dollars with the 5700x running at about 300 the 5800x launched at 450 as a reminder and the x3d again is 450. the I9 12900k is about 600 right now and we just bought that brand new 12900 KS for 800. it's a little bit faster but ouch Intel clearly tried to rush this out the door before the x3d launched because it has to know that the value looks a little questionable here the 12700k is about 384 dollars and the 5900x is around 400 so that gives us the lineup of what's most interesting to compare to the original idea for stacking cash on top of a ryzen 5000 CPU came at the very end of an AMD keynote announcement where it actually even though it pre-briefed Us and other media on that keynote in its entirety the one thing it didn't tell anyone about was the Stacked cache or the V cash version of the ryzen 5000 CPUs so it was kind of a wild card thrown out there almost as a gamble especially because it's coming out right before Zen four so AMD is pushing this out as basically one of the last ryzen am4 socket CPUs that will ever be made because after this am4 dies and it moves to am5 Zen 4 and an LGA socket it's gonna be a big change and that probably means there's not going to be a ton of these made because the lifespan will be relatively short different but it's an interesting drop in socket replacement or final build for am4 for people in terms of expectations AMD has been very clear that this is gaming focused that's because of the cash cash will benefit certain code compile workloads it will benefit a good amount of games and things like blender so tile based rendering uh like cinebench would represent the same thing will not be benefited by extra cash premiere for the most part won't be benefited by it and uh compression decompression won't see a benefit either so in scenarios where the 5800x is higher frequency would be more valuable than the increase in cash on the 5800x 3D you will see the 5800x pull ahead of the x3d that's not unexpected just to get everyone primed on that up front in areas where the core increase on the 5900x would be more valuable like blender you'll obviously see that one pull ahead so the x3d requires a little bit of knowledge about where you're planning to use it to get the most out of it because it's not as simple as being a new best just period and everything in terms of the internal structure of this it's actually pretty interesting to look at Andy has some animations for this too where the new L3 die with 64 megabytes of L3 cache extension is structurally supported as well because the CCD has been thinned in order to accommodate the cache again without impacting that Z height and the cooler mount for existing Solutions AMD is using an approach it calls hybrid bonding to mount everything with a direct Copper to Copper interface that allows the slim form factor in the high speed connection now in terms of overclocking for this strictly not allowed so AMD has asked the motherboard vendors to disable the AMD frequency settings and bios and the AMD v-core setting in BIOS other stuff like memory and infinity fabric you can still tune that which arguably is the more important part of overclocking and tuning for ryzen anyway so potentially not a big loss other than an xoc competitions the reasoning AMD has given public quickly for this is saying that it's tuned for 1.35 Volts for the cache that is and any more than that you risk damaging the die or getting into territory where they haven't done any validation in speaking with motherboard manufacturers we asked could you just ignore AMD and leave it on and the answer we got from one of the board Partners was well we might be able to make a way for you to overclock it but the risk is higher that there would be damage to the CPU so that's why there's no overclocking here okay enough of that let's get started with the benchmarks because of the lower expected boost on the 5800x3d we need to establish what to expect when the cache doesn't help like some render workloads for instance under an all-core workload we logged the 5800x 3D at about 4300 to 4320 megahertz average all core frequency it didn't deviate much from the 40 to 20 megahertz marker while under a 360 mil Arctic liquid freezer 2 and It produced overall a flat line the R7 5800x we reviewed plotted at about 46 hundred megahertz for the same workload and that's consistent throughout the test this will give the 5800x a significant advantage in applications which care more about frequency and really not much about cash but it also gives us an interesting like for like in architecture and in core and thread count of why and where just pure frequency doesn't always help for reference the R7 5700x that just came out that plots closer to 40 50 megahertz this is the lower power version of the 5800x so there's less power budget to boost the clock and all of this makes sense this chart is for a single core workload so we're looking at Max boost in frequency per interval across all cores the R7 5800x3d maxed out at 4450 megahertz for the entire test the 5800x non-3d the original plotted at 4850 megahertz for the same workload that's again a significant lead in limited thread workloads that aren't cash dependent it won't matter much though obviously if the scenario actually doesn't want all that cash the 5700x ran higher as well at 46.50 megahertz and could prove faster than the 5800x3d in some specific low thread low cache workloads up next we'll cover power consumption we test this at the EPS 12 volt cables to get a direct read on CPU power utilization before vrm efficiency losses this is not total system power in a blender all core workload the 5800 x3d consumed about 112 Watts during the test this puts it lower than the 130 Watts we measured on the 5800x there can be two primary reasons for this like we saw in the 5950x versus the 5900x here despite being higher performance and higher core account in the 5950x there's better bending on the v-core to sustain a given frequency that contributes to the power consumption reduction we see additionally reduced frequency helps bring down the power draw despite having more cores the 5800 Expedia ends up highly efficient for what it produces though the 12900ks for reference is sort of the opposite of this where it really sets the bar are high at 275 Watts for the same exact test when under 100 CPU load that's over double what we saw in the 5800 xvd the 12900 cast also draws this ad infant item and it doesn't seem to respect Tau limits so it's just like that forever as long as there's a full workload in cinebench R20 multi-threaded the 5800x3d again plotted at about 112 Watts the 12900k stays around 276 Watts while the 12900k now measured within its 52 second top boosting window is at 240 watts in Far Cry 6 at 1080p there's still plenty of room for CPU scaling to determine the maximum capabilities of these parts in gaming the 5800 X 3D meets amd's claim and does manage to hit the top of the chart it lands at 174 FPS average and it pulls the lows up with it 117 FPS or one percent and although unplotted 101 FPS average for 0.1 percent these are significantly improved over just about everything else on the charge immediately establishing the real angle for this story over the 12900 KS that we bought for eight hundred dollars we're still remembering that the 5800x3d leads by five and a half percent that's not phenomenal but considering it's 450 instead of 800 that's pretty good versus the 5800x which launched at the same price as the x3d it's now about 340 though the Improvement is a staggering 27 we confirmed this result in additional retesting and with external data and it lined up the same way this is outside of AMD is at 15 expected average claim so this is probably an outlier and you'll see in our testing that this doesn't happen very often but it's a repeatable result in this game and it bodes well for the 5800x3d in gaming it's about the strongest start possible for this one and Counter-Strike GO and using our test settings and scenario we use the 5800x3d does not improve over the original 5800x for average FPS they're about the same at 347 fpsi average cash doesn't appear to help with boosting the average frame rate but the slight frequency deficit may be what puts it technically one to two FPS lower than the 5800x although we're basically within the error here the one percent and 0.1 lows are meaningfully boosted on the 5800 X 3D though surpassing everything else on the chart to be clear this isn't a game-changing difference in lows versus some of the other parts they're all doing well enough in this range that we're kind of in Placebo territory but the 5800x3d does have a real and a measurable gain the 12900ks runs at a higher average frame rate and competitive lows especially one percent lows the average FPS lead here is about seven percent and that seven percent more only costs 78 percent more money what a hell of a deal thanks Intel thanks Steve in other words Intel is charging about fifty dollars per one percent increase in average FPS over the 5800x 3D it's one of the worst value propositions we've ever seen didn't think could get much worse than the 30 90 TI but here we are the 12900k non-s is a better deal positionally at least at 367 FPS average but the x3d is a closed competitor and it pulls ahead in other games it's not a technical best here and one percent lows are within error but it's close enough at 1440p the r750 800x3d ran at 343 FPS average so about the same place as during the 1080p testing that's expected we're still not GPU bound so we're still seeing CPU differences the rest of the scaling is about the same as the 1080p chart as well Red Dead Redemption 2 tested with our settings is another game with scaling all the way up to the top end CPUs the r750 800x3d ran at 196 FPS average here functionally tied with the 12900 KS we might be approaching GPU bottle next year as well it's also leading the 12900k by 3.3 percent the 5800 x3d leads the original 5800x is 176 FPS average results by 11 a substantial lead when considering the MSRP is the same for the 5800 xvd as it was for the 5800x when it launched that's a good place to be for AMD and certainly better than what we saw from the low end parts recently like the 4500 trash component the 12900 KS looks like a rip-off here and is perhaps only valuable for its been to nature for competitive overclocking in lows the 5800x3d was about the same as the 12900k original CPU although a little better in 0.1 percent the 5800x is not significantly different from the 5800x 3D and frame time consistency and one percent point one percent lows so there's no deviation there this time GTA 5 is actually incredibly interesting here even if you don't play it or you don't care because it's old or something this is interesting purely because it gives us a lot of information about how CPUs behave in this one the 5800x3d is the first to break past the wall of 187.5 FPS average or 5.33 milliseconds per frame this has been the historic cap app for a performance in Rage or the engine for GTA 5. the actual average works out to 171.8 FPS when plotted against the entire test period but the frame time plot which we'll look at in a moment shows that it pushes back what we thought were engine limits in terms of the pure average the 5800x3d leads the 12900 KS by 5.5 percent with one percent lows not too distant but ahead on the 12900 KS and the 0.1 percent lows are about the same the 5800 x3d also leads the 5950x by 22 percent and the 5800x non-3d which we just retested by a mass of 27 percent we should know that this is going to be heavily dependent on game settings and test setup but at least in GTA we're seeing the 5800 xpd breaking walls that we had previously been running into for about five years for results and it didn't matter how high we clocked the Ram or the CPU we even used liquid nitrogen and xoc for some of this testing with GTA 5 and we still ran into these limits so it's impressive we're also a little bit confused because it looks like all rocks star has to do is wait around six or seven years for AMD to engineer a solution to Rockstar's game engine problems impressive this chart shows the frame time pacing of the 5800x3d and GTA 5 at 1080p it's sitting right around six millisecond frame to frame intervals with occasional dips to the five millisecond range this is impressive for this game specifically and the frames or frame consistency is excellent here our biggest Excursion from the average is about two milliseconds so that's crazy good and you won't notice any hitching the 5800x also does well overall but it plots higher as a reminder lower is better here but more consistent is best despite introducing more GPU load 1440p produces the same result we're still primarily CPU bound here so the scaling is similar down the stack the 5800 x3d maintains its Newfound lead including best in the 12900 KS considering Intel's previous dominance in GTA specifically for previous generations as well the lack of value in the 12900ks is particularly embarrassing Total War 3 Kingdom still doesn't play well with with all their like e-cores on Windows 10 so we had to mix in our Windows 11 data for the 12900k here the 5800x3d leads this chart now plotting at 216 FPS average and also leading in one percent and 0.1 percent low so frame time consistency the rest of the AMD CPUs were previously stocked at about 205 to 207 FPS average with no testable difference between them we were bound up elsewhere not the GPU clearly because we can plot higher with these other CPUs so it'd be memory and cash where we were stuck the 5800x3d is able to overcome these limitations including some of the early memory limitations relying on cash instead it pushes past even Intel's 12900k which is at 214 FPS average the lead over the original 5800x is about 4.6 percent considering the 5800x is now about 340 dollars it's still the better deal it's not like the rest of the market froze since the launch of the 5800x so the prices come down obviously but the 5800 X 3D is at least looking better than the more expensive Intel competition and cyberpunk at 1080P and with medium settings were completely capped by the GPU this test is basically useless for showing CPU scaling we built the test for our lower end CPUs and it wasn't really intended to show stuff this high up the stack the only reason we're showing it is to illustrate what it looks like if your GPU bound this is what it looks like it's the same in theory as if you play games at 4K for example so for what it's worth the 5800 x3d does break past the 172 FPS average while we were hitting previously for AMD Parts here but they all kind of look the same when you're bound up by the GPU not a surprise our Hitman 3 testing is heavy on the CPU and that's up next the 5800x3d ran at 191 FPS average here with low space proportional to what we see on other CPUs nearby the 5800x3d outpaced the 5800x by 12 percent average FPS lining up with some of the previous results and plotting one of the more noteworthy games the 5900x has led by about 7.3 percent and as for the 12900k and the 12900 KS those still hold the lead in this one so amd's best gaming CPU claim isn't always true we didn't expect it to be but they probably shouldn't have said it anyway the 12900 KS and the 12900k lead by about seven percent here time for production workloads and these anywhere cash isn't heavily utilized will show a reduction in relative performance of the 5800x3d versus the 5800x the frequency of the 5800x will matter more there our blender test is a custom built stress test for this CPU and it renders the GM logo from our intro animation this is a tile based renderer using cycles that spawn to one render tile per thread present on the CPU and then repeats that process for each tile rendered until the entire scene is drawn the 5800x3d required 16.7 minutes to complete marking the 5800x non-3d as six percent faster it needed one minute less time to render here this can add up over time if you do enough of this type of work but if you're on cash bound scenarios more frequently then a six percent trade-off isn't too bad for the benefit in those cash bound scenarios the 5800x3d ends up around the same level as the 10900k and the 20 threads previously proven both more core efficient and certainly more power efficient than the former Intel Flagship the 12900 KS did the same work in just nine minutes here a significant reduction in time needed it's about 46 less time required of course the 5800x3d runs at 60 less power to do this but it takes longer so there's some back and forth between them the the 12900k at non-s is up at 9.4 minutes AMD falls behind in raw completion time here versus Intel but more importantly we get a reminder that if you're doing this type of workload then the 5800x3d doesn't give you anything new that didn't already exist even just from AMD Adobe Premiere testing uses an aggregate scoring of filters renders scrubbing playback and large footage processing the 5800x3e scores 823 points here allowing the 5800x original CPU a lead of 3.2 percent not a huge swing the 5900x still maintains a significant lead at 940 points and 14 percent ahead of the 5800x 3D Intel meanwhile breaks 1000 points and has its 12900k and KS tie and overall placement leading the 5800 xvd by 26 percent in Premiere test score in Adobe Photoshop tested the same way and scored an aggregate the 5800 x3d scored 1180 points versus the 5800 X's 11 18 points it's actually a 5.5 gain here the cash helps more here than the frequency does for the 5800x which makes it a bit different than what we saw in blender the score is also on par with a 5950x previously so really not bad when considered even just in a vacuum versus any of these other parts now we're not in a vacuum so the 12900 KS leads at 13.95 points or 18 ahead of the 5800x 3D the 12900k leads by 13 percent allowing Intel to maintain dominance in this test code compile testing is next using chromium as our test vehicle for The Benchmark the 5800 x3d required 82 minutes to complete the compile of the chromium code base while the 5800x needed 79 minutes that's about a 3.3 reduction and we think it's attributable to the frequency increase on the 5800x Although our former code compile test was basically a cash Benchmark the one that we run today this one is more generalized and utilizes a bit of everything on the CPU the 12900 KS and 12900k have a massive lead at 47 minutes or about 41 reduced in time required to compile the code of course this is with the higher power consumption but just being faster accounts for a lot as for more efficient CPUs that also rank high the 5950x is Right alongside the 12900k and 12900 KS yet it's about half the power draw of the 12900 ks in 7-Zip compression testing the 5800 X 3D plotted at the same place as the 5800x they're within variants of each other at around 94k mips or millions of instructions per second and that puts the 5800x3d behind the 3900x and up the core count benefits for the higher end CPUs really show through in this specific test the 12900 KS improves over the 12900k score by 4.4 percent with a 12900k leading the 5800x3d by 32 percent between all of these parts the 5800x is the best value of those discussed with the 12900k leading in raw numbers while increasing in price the 5800 x3d isn't a good fit for this task it does fine but if this is mostly what you do you you should buy something else decompression is the same way and that's up now and this one the 5800x leads the x3d by 6K mips leaving the 5800 xvd below the 12700k and near the 5700x the cash just doesn't benefit it here but the frequency certainly benefits the 5800x so wrapping up then it's pretty simple in gaming the gains versus the 5800x are pretty impressive in some games and then just lackluster and others we saw a range of about three percent at the low end up to a massive 26 percent of the high end so different games will react to the cache differently obviously and the range is pretty wide on average it does seem like we were seeing about 11 percent collectively now 400 from Intel the 12 700k would be your main consideration there's no direct 450 price point Intel option right now versus the x3d the closest that's still high-end would be the 12900k at 600 but any of these own competition the 5800 actually 340 the 5700x at 300 those make potentially a lot of sense as a value play while still keeping the eight core 16 thread count if you need a higher core account and thread count if you're only gaming and you don't care as much you're not a frame rate snob then 5600x is still well 5600 now is a great deal comparatively but to keep the cores and threads the 5800x is starting to make sense here the x3d is a very strong competitor for gaming only builds we would not recommend it really for any of the production workloads that we've tested specifically and that's because the existing AMD CPU is like the 1500x the 5900x just simply outdo this one because the cache doesn't really help in the production workloads that we test now if you do something that does actually make use of all that cash certain types of code compile then obviously that's up to you to figure out Intel's 12900k still sits at the top of a lot of the gaming charts but it has lost ground in several of them and it has lost rank in a couple of the ones we tested as well so the x3d is looking good overall we do think it's a very interesting piece of technology and it has value in those gaming only Built so that's it for this one thanks for watching as always you can subscribe for more go to store.camersaccess.net to grab one of our coaster packs tool kits or mod mats or patreon.com Gamers Nexus to help us out and get some extra videos we'll see you all next time

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Length: 25min 10sec (1510 seconds)

Published: Thu Apr 14 2022

Reddit Comments

[u/errdayimshuffln]

The GTA V is an interesting result. Apparently need cache to pass the invisible performance ceiling.

[u/LoserOtakuNerd]

I really wish they made a 12-core SKU of this. I'm tempted to upgrade from my 3900X but I'm scared my multi-core workloads will suffer.

[u/AfterThisNextOne]

It's incredible the increase in performance AMD is able to extract with a lower power draw to produce those results.

It's also interesting to see which workloads scale better with the increased cache, and which prefer the higher frequency of the 5800x.

[u/HarithBK]

we have hit the cache to CPU speed limit in CS:GO. i remember back when the 3900x launched and it at the time beat intels offerings due to cache size.

but for real tho in gaming this CPU is nothing but a beast. some reviews shows the 12900Ks beating it in gaming while others have the 5800X3D ontop. the fact remains this is a 450 USD CPU on a platform a lot of people already have using memory that is cheap (and likely people already have) vs a 800 dollar CPU that draws a more than two and half times the power draw to get similar figures.

this means to properly use a 12900KS you will need to spend even more on cooling. this is also heat getting kicked out into your room. on top end systems it is uncomfortable to be in the same room as the computer.

it is annoying that AMD has now split there best production CPU and there best gaming CPU and i would have really liked a 5950X3D cpu.

[u/ewiepeachu]

This looks very nice, although would anyone know if this would be a good upgrade from a 3600? I have a RTX 2070Super and I'm wondering if it is my CPU that is bottlenecking, but looking at the graphs on the video, I figure I could see a decent FPS boost but 3080>2070S

[u/anotherwave1]

So it's cheaper than the i9 12900KS (and regular K), it works in boards that were made years ago. This is pretty much a no-brainer for any gamer who was thinking of the 12900K or KS right?

Edit: thanks for replies, makes sense now, the 12700k is the competition here

[u/[deleted]]

And just like that, I need a 5800x3d

[u/Wulfgar_RIP]

anyone seen Tarkov benchmarks somewhere? 5800X3D vs 5800X on same platform?

[u/BM1ofamillion]

As someone who plays at 1440p/144hz with a 3080, what are people's thoughts on upgrading from a 3800X to the 5800X3D when it goes on sale? I'm considering buying one when they hit around the 300-350 mark, but I'm not too sure. I plan to stay with AM4 as long as I can hold out at this point, and that's the main reason why I'm considering it. The only extensive thing I do with my PC is gaming and occasional encoding that isn't time restrained.