AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D CPU Review & Benchmarks: $700 Gaming Flagship

[Music] amd's R9 7950x3d do be looking a little sus and we'll talk about why but it's actually really interesting so there's a 3db cache CPU that means they've taken a massive amount of L3 cache and they've physically stacked it on top of one of the ccds in the CPU so follows up the wildly successful 5800 xvd which was powerful enough that it sort of stole sales from amd's own follow-up in the 7000 series and now they're bringing x3d to the new 7000 series as well so x3d is super interesting because in gaming specifically it helps a lot but the way it's oriented on the 750x3d actually means turning off half the cores yields far better performance we'll show you that today in this in-depth review and explanation of how it behaves and how the V cash is arranged on this as opposed to the previous 5800x3d so pricing is 700 for the 750 x3d very expensive obviously it's at the highest end for or desktop CPUs followed by the 7900x3d which is a 600 part and that one is followed by the 450.7800 x3d which is being held until April let's get started before that this video is brought to you by Lian lee's011d Evo case the 11d Evo is a mid tower that tested well previously with us and is most interesting for attention to find details and its unique features one of those is the easy to use invertible layout the 11d Evo inversion process is the easiest we've ever worked with on a Case allowing it to flip entirely for a unique upside down build or work as a standard layout the 11d Evo has two Chambers for the system and the power supply support for up to nine storage drives and edge to edge glass for a showcase while still offering excellent airflow through side and bottom intakes learn more at the link in the description below so for the thing we're suspicious about AMD only sampled the media for the 750x3d anyone who has different ones today got it somewhere else that normally it's a little bit of an alarm Bell uh we don't mind paying for our own Parts it's normally the thing that raises question is the choice of what was excluded because typically the one that's excluded will either make the one that was sent look bad or itself will look bad so AMD didn't send out the 700xpd it's fine we're gonna buy one we'll review it just like all the others but the 7800 X3 is the one that we're a little more curious about because it's pushed back into April after the results we got today we're thinking maybe it will be extremely competitive with the 7950x3d and they don't want to cannibalize sales now it's possible we're completely wrong about that but at least as far as gaming it's probably accurate based on what we know now production totally different story it's two times the course on the 7950 so it's going to outperform anyway regardless of the cash Arrangement but if you're buying one for gaming we just wanted to let you know up front hey it might be worth waiting until 8 April and seeing where that one Falls you might be able to save a lot of money if that's what you're interested in it's more of a 5800 extra replacement in that regard and when I was talking with the team about the 7950x3d's pricing Jeremy said it excellently he said it feels like AMD is going let's see who will spend 700 before they launch the others here's how it all looks the 7950x3d has three chiplets there's one i o die there are two core dies or ccds there's 16 total cores and 32 threads just like a regular 7950 the big difference is the addition of that 3db cash and that gives the 750x3d a total of 128 megabytes of L3 cache across the whole CPU so that's double the amount of the standard 7950x AMD confirmed with Gamers Nexus that the left CCD oriented with the iodine at the bottom is always the one with the V cash that should mean that games and applications that benefited from The increased cash of the last gen 5800 xvd will exhibit the same behavior here but there's a potential snag this time since only one of the two ccds has the extra cash that means that the one with the extra cash the left CCD will run at a lower frequency than the unit without the extra cash and that means that there's potential for Worse performance in some situations than a 7950x or if you configure it incorrectly which is really easy to do this complication is something Andy has been working with Microsoft on to help build mechanisms to control for games and windows in a conversation with AMD we learned that the cores on the right most CCD can still sort of of course access the L3 cache that is located physically on top of the left CCD but as you would expect there's a latency penalty because now you're traveling across Channel basically across the fabric link to the first CCD with the cache so the latency hit which is sub-optimal and that's also something amd's working with Microsoft on but they've also built some optimizers that you can install and you should otherwise you're going to have worse performance than expected additionally we asked if there's a particular selection process for which CCD or which chiplet gets the cash and AMD said this although we don't comment specifically on bidding I can say that the criteria that would be a Top Bend V Cash die may not always be the same as a top Bend standard die it would not be an accurate assumption that slow die has become V cash dcds and fast eyes become standard ccds since they may not have the same criteria for evaluating these statements so that's really helpful now another big change here is the thermal design and the power when the 750x first launched one of the biggest difference between it and the previous CPUs is that it would boost two TJ Maxx so it would run right up until 95 degrees Celsius it would boost contingent on the cooler that you use and that has changed this time as has the TDP we're going to move the explanation of that after the charts though so we get to the charts faster because we know that's what you're all interested in so getting into that the 7950x3d was actually one of the most complicated test setups we had to configure in recent memory uh the usual notes apply of course for you all where it's just be sure to install the latest chipset drivers it really matters here and be sure to install the latest bios especially if you're buying your launch that matters a lot it may work without it but it will work better with the latest bios so the things in the chipset you need to install include AMD PPM and AMD performance Optimizer these are new and they are only available for x3d CPUs your CPU will not work right without these and here's an example why it wouldn't work right to demonstrate the core parking Behavior we ran Hardware info login for core utilization during Total War Warhammer 3. this chart illustrates it well we're seeing the first 17 threads get loaded to at least 37 percent with descending utilization once we're past the first few cores core zero thread zero gets the most load then Core 1 thread 0 which is listed as thread 2 on this chart threads 18 to 31 which includes their host cores are doing nothing they're parked running them actually worsens the performance in a lot of these games so so it's a callback to amd's old game mode Behavior except it doesn't turn the cores off when doing a task that isn't identified as a game by Xbox game bar so production applications get all the cores and this behavior is important if you want to maximize the CPU our next chart is between the 7950x3d with the two new Optimizer features specific to x3d and the most recent pre-launch driver that was lacking them this chart shows a simple a b comparison with a 100 Baseline performance for the prior driver the red line shows the new driver and the optimizers which are considered stock performance and any lead is shown as over a hundred percent this shows why it's important to install the driver and utilize those features if you're going to be gaming on the x3d CPUs because it helps assign priority and scheduling now you should always be installing chipset drivers with a brand new machine anyway but specifically make sure those two by default checked options are are in fact checked the Tomb Raider result increased by 35 percent just by going to the appropriate driver for this CPU and getting off the older one with F1 at 31 improved Final Fantasy at 28 improved and so on it's clear that there's an advantage now the reason we include this is because it would be really easy to lose a ton of performance and not know why as an end user if you just download some driver package for the chipset and you don't realize that the newest one actually does contain differences so we're just trying to help you all be aware of how to set these up to get the most out of them this also applies to production applications you can see that in this chart there's no point belaboring it but it's clearly beneficial and it's just not as important as it is in the games those are the first two charts we have a big explanation for how this works it is actually really interesting on a technology level we're going to put that at the back of the review because we know everybody just wants to see numbers so we're gonna get into the competitive charts right now and then stick around or at least Jump Ahead to to learn about how all this core parking Behavior works is really cool okay game charts we're putting Far Cry 6 up front because it's the second most interesting result the most interesting result is next this game in particular showed strong performance on the 58x3d back when we reviewed the first 3dv cache CPU and we expect to see the same here that doesn't mean the behavior scales to every other game but at least shows the upper bound of V Cash's capabilities getting to the Chart the 7950x3d ran at 198 FPS average with lows proportionally spaced at 145 FPS or one percent and 120 for 0.1 percent this is a moderate victory for the x3d because it shows real scaling against the 7950x normal Edition it's our new name for it the gain is 15 here moving from 172 fps to 198 FPS average we already talked about the older chipset driver tests but just to put it into more context we can see that the drive ever without performance optimizations is actually slower than even a 7700x and it places closer to a 7600x the 750x3d's performance allows the AMD to break ahead of Intel for the first time since the 5800x3d in this game chart the 58x3d itself is still faster than all of the other AMD Parts on this Benchmark even a couple frames ahead of the 750x9 3D the new x3d position is roughly tied with Intel with neither Intel nor AMD holding a meaningful advantage over the other in any of our three measurements average one percent or 0.1 percent just quickly and as an older reference prior 16 core CPUs ran at 138 FPS average for the 5950x and 111 for the 3950x or 43 and 79 gains to the new x3d respectively shadow of the Tomb Raider is next this one is the most interesting primarily because the x3d performance here is absolutely insane the 5800x3d was already impressive with its 332 FPS average results leading even the well-performing 3900k by an embarrassing nine percent the 750xpd rubs salt even deeper into those wounds climbing to a massive 383 FPS average for a staggering 26 lead over the 3900k that's about the same when compared to the 750x non-3d where we're seeing a 25 Improvement just for that V cash Edition x3d performance is remarkable in this game It won't always be like this clearly this is the standout chart in this review but there's something satisfying about seeing new technology proved to be more than just a keynote point to impress investors who don't know anything and haven't played a game since Pac-Man the 3900k is obviously still a good part and price clearly doesn't favor the 7950 x3d when speaking generally just in terms of value but AMD got some leeway when it can establish itself as a bass not a chart just like Intel does when it does the same we're suspicious of the 78x3d possibly embarrassing the amd's own 7550x3d but we'll find out for that one in April as for the 58x3d that's still the best value on this chart assuming you can still find one especially if it's still in the 300s just quickly comparing to other parts the 750 x3d leads the 5950x by 150 FPS average generationally or about 60 and the improvement over the 3550x is about 125 Final Fantasy 14 is up now tested with the end Walker expansion and using the Benchmark tool for more consistency the 7950x3d isn't a chart leader here but it does get closer than before if you take a zoomed out look at this chart you'll notice that intel was previously uninterrupted in its dominance for almost the top half of this chart we'll just highlight all of them to make it easy it had a substantial lead a result of this game in particular having strong performance and affinity for Intel CPUs the 750x3d breaks out of the box that AMD was previously placed in which capped at about 230 FPS before and it now ties with a 13600k unfortunately it's 0.1 lows dropped down significantly from the 13 600k and the value is obviously not good in this instance anyway the improvement over the non-3d is at least 20 so it is working just testing the technology alone that's a big jump and that's important uh and the 58x3d previously showed similar advantages which you can still see here but Intel takes the lead in this one and amd's frame Time Performance isn't as consistent as Intel is here smoothing out there's one percent and point one percent lows would further bolster amd's average and push it higher even if it's at the cost of some of the Peaks and now we get into some scenarios where the 7950x3d isn't that impressive and Counter-Strike GO the 3900k leads the charge with a 427 FPS average the 750x follows that at 419 FPS average and the 750 x3d has a few entries here we've added one set of four test passes with the prefer frequency bio setting enabled then the stock results and then we have the old driver result while a preferred frequency did boost the average frame rate from 384 to 409 so it looks like it's working that's a seven percent increase after all it actually worsens the lows massively by hurting the frame time consistency it dropped to 94 FPS 0.1 percent from 166 previously so if you're using the preferred frequency setting just be careful that if you only look at average FPS when you do a quick comparison it may be misleading you and not telling you the full story ultimately the nonx 3D is nine percent ahead of the stock x3ds 384 FPS average anyway and the 3900k 7700x and 13700k all offer better value V cash doesn't always win sometimes it's actually regressive in performance and that's for the reasons we said earlier where it's not necessarily the V cash itself but rather how they are restructuring the CPU around the V cash in order to accommodate it 1440p produces largely the same results the test is CPU bound so although there's some shuffling there's no real change between the two data sets we just wanted to present it case you were wondering about a higher resolution Rainbow Six Siege is up now another super high FPS FPS this High FPS FPS has the FPS at about 858 FPS for the 3900k and Effie and high FPS the 7950x3d is next at 841 average FPS allowing the 3900ks FPS a 2 lead in average FPS in this FPS game it's obviously completely unacceptable to Forfeit 17.3 FPS average to the 3900k here because it renders the game totally unplayable if you didn't suck already you will now if the x3d had sacrificed only 17.1 FPS or nay even 17.2 FPS it'd be fine but 17.3 crosses that line the 7950x3d leads the non-3d by two percent unexcitingly and the lead over the 5950x 23 with the 3950x gapped at 76 percent ultimately tying the 13700k isn't impressive nor is is the 10 lead over the 5800 X 3D so let's move on from talking about FPS and this FPS with things that have having high FPS cyberpunk 2077 is next tested at 1080P and with custom settings that lean towards medium this game is still GPU intensive enough that it gives us a perspective for how much a CPU can possibly matter for gaming ultimately here if you're not on a 40 90 a lot of these high-end differences won't be visible or at least they'll be minimized at the very top end cyberpunk still scales but there are clear divisions in that scaling the 750 x3d leads the chart with its 268 FPS average although 0.1 percent lows dip when compared to the 3900k but not in a way that's relevant and to be fair the average FPS lead is also not particularly relevant when we're talking three to four FPS also FPS I still have semantic satiation for after the last chart the 750-axis 231 FPS average allows the x3d a more meaningful lead of 16 V cash is still doing what it's supposed to do just like we saw in the 58 x3d with a tying of the 7900x you can see that the other 5000 series chips we tested got stuck at around 190 FPS instead so the performance Improvement is consistent with v cash the x3d's value isn't good here but at least it's provable in terms of uplift the 13600k is probably the most sensible of the top four performers F1 2022 is up now in this one we're testing at 1080P and with high settings the 7950x3d is a 513 FPS average carried with it proportionally scaled lows at 274 and 238. that ranks at 12 percent ahead of the 3900k and its 460 FPS average result the improvement over the non-3d 750x is 20 here with the lead over the 5800x3d at 21 for an older comparison the 5950x gives up a 52 improvement with a 3950x getting doubled by the New x3d Finally our total war Warhammer 3 Benchmark is last for games we'll look at Power and production next the 13 irk leads with the 360 FPS average result that you see here followed next by the 13700k the 750 x3d shows up in third at 304 FPS average with not meaningfully lower 0.1 percent lows compared to the non-x3d we're seeing a gain of 10 percent it's not massive but it's not bad either it's certainly better than we saw in CS go Intel still ultimately wins this one and the 13600k once again proves that it's very good value for something that nearly behaves exactly like one of these high-end CPUs power consumption testing is up now for this we look at just 100 percent all core workloads as a worst case scenario this isn't the same as when you're gaming because typically there there's more shared work between the GPU and the CPU and other components which means that the CPU is lower power consuming than those scenarios the 7950x originally pulled 263 Watts at the EPS 12 volt cables with BIOS version 0705 which is the newer of the two that we tested for power consumption for the 7950x so there's a newer one still for the x3d the original launch day test had it at 251 Watts with the launch day bios the 7950x3d pulled 156 Watts on the same motherboard when stock with an interesting Behavior with the older chipset driver that had it at 136 Watts it's clearly being underutilized there with the older driver and the performance matched so it's not like it got less efficient with the appropriate driver version compared to Intel's 295 Watts the 7550x looks efficient in an all-core 100 blender workload and now we can look at an efficiency chart to see that performance per watt efficiency is up here this chart is just math it's a watt hours equation when factoring in both the time required to complete a task and the energy consumption during that task the 750x's original entry had it at 26 Watt hours and the 750x3d is at 16.5 Watt hours here minimally it's a lot more efficient in general it's consuming less power than the 750x to do this work despite a score that's not much different that'll be one of the primary advantages of the xvd for production benchmarks in our testing since it's uncommon for cash to benefit performance in the workstation applications we use here however part of this could be silicon Fitness or quality where it not only has more time passed since the original came out but they may also be bidding differently to allow for lower operating voltages or V core mostly which would allow this reduced power consumption our first production benchmarks start with blender which is also what we used for our efficiency calculation a moment ago blender is a 3D model in an animation tool we use it internally for even 2D product designs and we render an animation of this using Cycles renderer on the CPU the 750x leads the chart with a six minute render followed next by the x3d at 6.3 minutes they're about the same although there's technically a slight and repeatable lead for the 750x that's expected Behavior here the 13 100K is next where the 7950x3d leads by four percent after this we run across the 5950x the prior Flagship at nine minutes and that gives it the x3d a 32 advantage or really the non-x3d as well because they're about the same compiling a code base is up next we can't account for all compiler behavior compilers in particular we've seen behave very differently between uh different operating systems and use cases so this is just representative of a heavier chromium full compile Benchmark the compiler required 37.5 minutes on the 750x non-3d variant with the 3D options slowing down to 38.7 minutes that makes the non-3d CPU about three percent faster the 3900k meanwhile currently leads both of amd's flagships at a time reduction of four percent at least versus the 750x or 8 time reduction meaning it's faster than the 7950x3d against last generation the 750 x3d app performs the 5950x by 28 percent with the non-3d obviously faster still in file compression testing we measure in millions of instructions per second and then we rank highest to lowest the 7950x3d did the best here at 200 000 mips that puts it about 1.3 percent ahead of the 750x non-3d so they're basically the same and it's four percent ahead of the 3900k thus far you wouldn't buy the 3D variant for these tests unless you also do a lot of gaming decompression is where AMD really takes off on a tear in this instance the 750x LED at 270 000 mips that's three percent ahead of the x3d which itself is about 21 ahead of the 5950x and 38 percent ahead of the 3950x Adobe Premiere tested is next we use Puget suite for this testing compiles transforms filters renders playback scrubbing and more the 3900k leads everyone with an aggregate score of 13 32 points looking one ranked down that lead is relegated to more of a tie as the 750x non-3d is just two points behind the x3d variant ran at 1307 points giving the 7950x a two percent lead below this the 700x sits at 12 54 points with the 5950x allowing the 7950x3d a 15 lead or about 21 when you compare against the 3550x as an aside we just recently switched away from AMD entirely for our Premier machines we were on a threadripper system previously but the current Premiere version just leverages the igp so much for Intel that at least for our types of videos specifically which are chart heavy we had to make the move back to Intel because the igp was accelerating in a really beneficial way for us Adobe Photoshop is last for our production benchmarks this one has the 3900k 1741 points allowing it a significant lead of 14 against the 7950x3d the 750x is 1580 Point score has it ahead of the x3d at uh 3.6 Advantage once again showing that the extra cash doesn't help in our production suite and now it's time to come back to an earlier point about TJ Maxx and power design differences so previously 95 degrees Celsius was the thermal Target that the 750x would boost to now it's 89 degrees Andy's official statement says this quote TJ Maxx is the max safe operating temperature not the absolute Max temperature in the ryzen 7000 series the processor is designed to run at TJ Maxx 24 7 without risk of damage or deterioration but they brought it down to 89 because V cash is very sensitive to heat so it's a different situation the power limit is lower as well the 7950x3d TDP is down from 170 Watts on the original to 120 watts with x3d and then in our power chart earlier which we'll bring back now you'll see that we were running over 120 but it's normal for TDP to not equal actual power consumption that's because the actual socket power or the PPT limit is set to 162 Watts out of the box versus 230 on the regular 7950x all this is important because in the heterogeneous CPU design the computer or more specifically the OS needs a way to decide what cores to assign tasks to Intel has two types of cores in its current mainstream CPUs but that's an easier thing for the OS to judge since it basically boils down to the fact that they're just slow or fast that's it if it's a game or other demanding application assign it to the pcores and you're done in amd's case with the 7950x3d and the 7900x3d that we'll review later it's not that simple in a perfect world the os's scheduler would have knowledge of which applications prefer the extra cash over the raw clock speed but Windows has no way to know that if a game or application that prefers cash jumps to the other CCD or vice versa it'll create performance problems amd's workaround for this is to have Windows Park the cores on the second higher clocking CCD so it's actually disabling the faster cores intentionally when it thinks you're running a game so you can think of it like a parking lot with parking stalls it is moving those his core is the last 16 into parking spots so that the rest of the traffic can get through and get those cores out of the way because even though they're supposed to help they actually slow things down if the game can make use of that V cash where it needs to be operating on the CCD with a V cash to avoid that latency hit here's where things get a little interesting so the mechanism for this to work and these performance Optimizer is a Xbox game bar which comes with Windows these days so you need to run that it needs to be updated and you also need to run the balanced power profile in Windows not high performance AMD has historically recommended high performance for x3d it's best to run balanced otherwise the cores will not be permitted to park which will again think of it as being in the flow of traffic they are in the way and this is also why we think the 7800 x3d will become very interesting because AMD is effectively turning off half of a 700 CPU to run games faster whereas the 7800x 3D shouldn't have to do that you should just be able to use it because half of a semi 50 x 3D is kind of a 7800x3d already you just lose all the production performance and finally traditional overclocking like voltage and frequency configuration is not permitted at least not over voltage and you have to do it all through curve Optimizer or other means but we'll maybe talk about that more later if it's interesting so uh wrapping this up then generally speaking the 7950x3d has been really impressive in gaming workloads especially or primarily if you turn a half of the CPU off specifically half of the cores but you leave the cache on now this is not an active thing you don't have to go through anymore and toggle game mode and not game mode used to work that way it's not how it works now so if it's been a while it is now automatic which is good as long as you install the latest bios and chipset drivers which we already talked about in the beginning so the problem comes when you look at it being 700 dollars as a technological feat this is really impressive the V cash is working properly when the games can actually leverage it so in Shadow of the Tomb Raider where we're seeing 25 differences that's insane considering nothing else really has changed except the frequency a little bit uh and then for Final Fantasy we saw reasonable gains as well for Total War Warhammer three we saw pretty good gains so we're in the 10 to 15 range for about half the games Tomb Raider is an outlier but really impressive then some of the others are worse which is expected Behavior it just depends on what the game specifically would benefit from and we tested prefer faster core with Counter-Strike if you want to go back and check that chart for production applications this doesn't make sense and any of the ones we test there's probably something out there that can really leverage the cash so for example years ago we had a compile Benchmark before we moved to chromium where or was a different chromium maybe where we had inadvertent only accidentally created a cash Benchmark and the way the Benchmark worked was the numbers on the bar would have been in the same order if we literally sorted the data by most cash so it wasn't really we ended up getting rid of it as a benchmark for a lot of reasons we described in an old video but if you can find a real world scenario like that then yeah it'll be useful in your production work our standard Suite does not include one so for our production tests for what we looked at this is not any better than a 7950x and of course in a lot of cases you should look at the 3900k as well because it's better and a good amount of these tests or at least close enough so in gaming the big thing to remember is that we think the 7800 X 3D would have usurp to the 7950x3d except AMD has reduced its frequency hard by 700 megahertz and you won't be able to overclock it through any official means so that creates the product segmentation they're looking for that leaves the 7900 xvd which is close enough in frequency that it could be just as good and it's no wonder AMD didn't sample it but it'll depend on that CCD layout and how they split this the 12 cores it may be worth just waiting to see but if you need to build now or whatever you just want the best this is doing what it's supposed to do in gaming so other CPUs to look at and consider and we're seeing four percent better at Best in production workloads versus 7950x so you should just look at the 7950x if you're a workstation type user uh if you're a gaming user look at the 3900k the 13600k and the 7950x3d and of course the 5800 xvd is still really impressive in a lot of these charts in fact in the places where the 7950x3d punched above where it made sense for AMD to otherwise be the 58xpd was right there next to it and for the same reason they both have this massive amount of cash so our recommendation to you if you are more uh value oriented but you're still at the high end then the 13600k makes a lot of sense you it's kind of like a poser high-end CPU for gaming where if you put them next to each other like actual gameplay footage you can't most the time see too much of a difference between a 136 139 7950x3d depending on what kind of games you're playing if you're less price sensitive then the 7 550x3d is dominant in a lot of these charts with some exceptions giving way to the 3900k and then if you're if you're in the budget class you should look at our 3100f review where we talk about the 12 100 app as the best option for you so that's it for this one thanks for watching as 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Length: 31min 47sec (1907 seconds)

Published: Mon Feb 27 2023

Reddit Comments

[u/n19htmare]

Basically, If you are on AM5 platform and have been waiting x3D.

If you need productivity, get a 7950X.

If you game, wait for 7800x3d.

[u/OuterOuterOuterSpace]

Well... The 5800X3D ruined us.

I think a lot of people were expecting a similar kind of jump without actually taking into account how insane the 5800X3D actually was and the fact that it disrupted AMD's AM5 sales. Guess I'm sticking with my 7900X

[u/KoshV]

What this says to me is it’s time to buy a 5800x3D

[u/Darkillumina]

I doubt we’ll ever see anything like the 5800x3d ever again or at least for a long long time . It devastated am5 early adopters and has created jacked up expectations. Legendary chip but everything is going to be measured against it for AMD for awhile. The 79503d is good but 700usd good plus the am5 adoption fee? It’s a tough ask if you have a 58003d

[u/DerSpini]

We will wait this out, won't we?. ... Yes, we will...

pats the 5800X3D

[u/DoubleExposure]

5800X3D is easily the best upgrade I've made value-wise when you consider the platform costs of AM5.

[u/GreatStuffOnly]

Man honestly, kind of disappointing. If you're into production, this is not it for you. If you're into gaming, there's no reason not to wait til the reviews of 7800X3D.

The worries of being an asymmetry core holds some truth. Windows have no way to tell which cores to use better.

[u/Weshya]

Am sticking with my beloved 5800X3d for another generation at least

[u/Kr4k4J4Ck]

No one going to mention how Game Bar is required for this? Very bizarre. One of the first things I disable in windows.