Jay Morton

[Music] [Music] welcome to the take five podcast cheers thanks for having me hey i'm excited this place is amazing you like it i mean i'll be honest i got here at half past half an hour early and i'll just drive it i'm down like i can't be in there yeah it's almost too good to be true yeah it's like a locked compound isn't it yeah it needs to [Laughter] it's be mate you've got you know just land all around you've got lanes you've got your gym outside yeah yeah this place like during lockdown this place was perfect the lake the orchard um i had all the workout kit so just focused on fitness and um yeah it was good to be here during lockdown yeah i couldn't have been you know you like i used to live in a two-bedroom flight in london so living in a two-bedroom flat in london during lockdown would have been my idea of hell i think every week actually it's a nice place yeah it kind of feels like you're not in london right yeah it's like the sleepy the sleepy hollows kind of of south london that's what crouch end looks like actually it's like a village within it feels like a village within a crotch end is nice right i had a an ex that used to live in finsbury park yeah oh that's where i so i was five years in crouch end and like four years in uh vince park that's quite rough though isn't it it's a bit rough [Laughter] yeah i used to get scared walking around the street well mate look i'm absolutely buzzing to be chatting with you i've you've been my gym partner actually for the last really week and a half listening to your audio book which is right here in front of us um i loved it mate it's right on my street and i was actually saying your your bookshelf over there looks very similar to mine um yeah it's only half as well i am i don't know whether there's loads more in those boxes down there um it was just all i could fit on the shelves and i ended up moving from london to here i've ended up misplacing loads but it's all similar stuff as well it happens like you lend them to people or give them away yeah like just when you want to find that bit in the certain book you haven't got it yeah what's your favorite one my own uh it's a good book yeah my favorite's probably not there i'll tell you what john cavanaugh's good win or learn um my favorite ah it's hard to say like because i'm not a natural reader so i really like a book when i sit down that is simple to read and i don't get lost in the text whereas some of those books there or some really good classic books that everyone raves about i've tried to read and i find them too hard to read and i lose interest because i can't i can't stick to the wording um whereas you know the branson books written in a way that everyone can understand them so you absorb it and you you learn so much from it yeah whereas um i know peak peak wasn't that bad to read i struggled with peak yeah i put peak down after two chapters i think i audio booked it in the end yeah yeah that was it's just very science-heavy isn't it yeah it has to be yeah but even like the art of learning i found that quite difficult i've not read that one actually because he's like a deep really deep thinker and really you know internally um focused yeah i loved um we're just gonna go for your bookshelf now yeah i loved in jaw is that there is it endure um the curious elastic limits of human performance alex hutchison ah yeah did you i don't think i read that you know not it's good because it's got a story you'd love it actually it's right over the street but um it's got a story at the beginning of every chapter so like you buy into the story you get yeah motive side of that the untethered soul as well right yeah that's a good book right that's a good book yeah i quite like those books because it's a story within a book as well so it's funny though we're talking about books because it came across when i was reading it that it it felt like you're incredibly well read whether you say that you are or not the stoic quotes that you were talking about the um quotes and talks and and uh even some poems that like presidential candidates or presidents of the past that you included in there loads of stuff i loved it mate so i had really nice stories in there great quotes from people um even the way it was laid out with soldier as the acronym and the way that that was i thought was brilliant yeah that was yeah that was quite difficult to try and nail in the end i wondered that how long did it take you to write it um probably started in january yeah and then um we were kind of rushed a little bit because we wanted to get out for for november was it november or october i think it was november released yeah um whereas originally we wanted to launch it in january um so it was quite a fast turnaround so probably took around six months yeah to have the script ready and then um yeah and then the rest of the publishers do yeah and how's it did you have a ghostwriter yeah how does that work cause i know that most people you don't know who do you but most people have a ghostwriter yeah yeah most people do yeah because i'm not a writer um yeah you sit down and like we sat down here and just you probably spend about 40 hours just talking and going through it and exchanging notes and exchanging emails and talking about the structure and what what you want in certain places and how you want it to be read and um yes it's a lengthy process yeah yeah big lengthy process but i i highly recommend the book mate it was it was awesome thank you there's a few topics i've kind of picked out that i'd love to discuss with you given your experience yeah you're ten years in the regiment 14 years as a soldier and everything you've done beyond actually since you've made the change and become a civilian so the first thing i want to talk about as a topic is purpose so take flight an element of it is about taking that leap of faith into a more meaningful life a life of purpose and we were talking about how i've left my full-time job the corporate world now yeah to pursue this which is at this stage in my life i feel like this is my purpose and there was lots of times where i felt like that was the messaging coming through in your book as well so just interested to hear your thoughts on how we can find purpose or like more meaning in our life you actually said i wrote it down because i liked it that finding what you love is the greater form of wealth yeah so true though isn't it yeah it's it's a hard one right and we could probably talk about this for a long time but um we get stuck in a rat race and we get stuck in almost society tells us what to do you know leave school do well at school um go to college go to university get grades get a degree um because that will make you get a better job and that better job is a salary-driven job working for someone else to line someone else's pockets which you then pay into a a pension which is lining up other people's pockets and it's all capped right you can only get to a certain level within that company um and then you retire and you get paid a set amount of money till till you die and i don't know that's the the life that everyone's taught um you know and that's why i think purpose is so important right now um and i guess i found that in the military and the things that i was exposed to in the military whether good or bad or whether not even the combat and um you know being in contact and stuff like that but even just being exposed to the mountains and um jumping out of planes and all these different experiences um which help you grow up and develop but also give you a different view on on the world especially going to war right that gives you a different view on the world so yeah like for me it's it's important to do things that i love doing otherwise and i don't know whether it was i don't know whether it was being in combat and being in situations where my life felt endangered that gave me that or whether i would have found that anyway um but i don't want to spend the rest of my life doing things that that don't excite me i don't like i've just not got time for it same with people same with same with everything right i want to live a fulfilled life that that i enjoy that you know it's like the cliche right i want to die with a load of stories and not a load of money in my bank it'd be good to die with both right but it's like the money you're gonna give the money's gonna give you some awesome stories at the same time but if you're earning a massive wage and working for someone else like you probably were in london lining someone else's pockets you get paid a fortune doing what you're doing but where's that free time to be able to enjoy that that finance yeah you get um you're like shackled by it as well because you get the bigger mortgage you know you you stretch what you can afford and the way that you live just you flex to your salary right the more that you earn the more you spend the more the mortgage is the more your lifestyle costs and then it becomes even more scary to like try and leave that thing um how far do you take that like you know you're talking about like you want to experience as much as you can you want to love what you do like how far do you take it i sometimes find it's i can be rude to people or like if i feel like my time's being wasted by a conversation i'm not interested in or i'm being invited to something an event or an activity that i'm sorry that's not gonna be very fun like how did you balance it how did you i'm the same yeah um and i guess you probably find this as well the more you step out of that excuse me jesus that slipped out you can edit that i think the more you step out step into that kind of life where you just pick and choose what you want to do and the less people are there right so the less people you meet that energize you almost um so yeah i'm i'm the same it's it's difficult right you lose you lose people that you thought were friends um and it's it's probably a very fast-paced life you pick things up and you put them down because you don't like them or you move on very quickly right you can move from like you just made the move from london down to down to bedford you can you know it's a it's a life where you're constantly moving and not everyone's moving at the same pace and time as you so as you're moving those people aren't moving they're gonna fall off and drop off and um and that's okay right like because that happens because you meet people that are on the same journey or path as you but um at the same time that might not be okay for those people yeah because their you know their purpose and their values them and whatever probably a little bit different um but like we're all just like the star of our own show right it's like your life um and again it just goes back to that like i don't want to be old and say that i didn't do something because someone expected something else of me so i didn't make that decision how how quickly did you start to think like this like when did you realize what you thought your purpose was and like the way that you would live your life um i think probably it was towards the there was there was a moment when i was still serving when i went over to germany trained to be a mountain guide and um you know you're in the mountains every day uh skiing climbing and there was a place that we used to go to to ski tour uh it was an awesome route just off the back of the ski lift so we used to climb up through these two uh peaks and then get to this little ridge line where we me and my my mate joe that i was living out there with we used to sit on this ridge and we used to call it little shamany because it looked like chamonix and we'd take like a pack lunch take a little hip flask and some coffee and it'd be like 11 o'clock in the morning 10 o'clock in the morning and we'd just sit up on this ridge line and the sun had come up and the sun would be beating down and um i think i had a moment there right where you just like like this is something else and before that i was very career focused in the military wanted to progress through the ranks wanted to you know be a tl of a troop and a team leader of a troop and a sergeant major and then i guess exposed to all this and you know you see a different part of the world and see that there's other stuff out there other than just being in the sas and then i guess when i came back from that um i think the seed was planted in my head that i wanted to do more stuff like that and not be sent around the world to because it i love the military i love the military right i love being in the special forces but the freedom aspect is taken away from you um so you're told where to go you're told what to do that day and for me that's you know you you could say now my purpose in life is to live the freest life that that i could um so yeah the seed was almost planted away in in germany in the alps and then i guess returning from that it was pretty much just i was just doing more of stuff that i enjoyed doing but found the military was restricting me on doing that obviously just like any other other job would would be and then just leaving has just given you know gave me the freedom to just go right this is i want to turn my life into what i want to turn it into so and i've got the freedom to do it hey that's amazing i love it and that leads into opportunity right then you seek out opportunity and you seek out the opportunity that's beneficial to that life that you want to live so that's like a muscle right opportunities like a muscle the more you pick and choose it and it goes down that path that you want it to the the more in tune you become of it and then you you disregard the the bad opportunities that come in your way as well i absolutely love it they're this is what i actually wanted to center the most of the conversation around as an opportunity because i couldn't agree more like having gone two feet in and made the decision to do this full time you feel the shift in energy you feel that you're aligned with what you want to do and that you can create that life for yourself so yeah i just i mean i'd love to hear you've created so many opportunities for yourself so i'd love to hear like how you did that and some of the maybe more pivotal opportunities that arose and how you how you sort of took them on yeah like it's it's fair to say though whether you agree with us or not but choosing those those choices right like going full time with the the podcast they're the greatest choices you'll ever make but they come with a lot of stress at the same time yeah i i i think about it while i'm asleep yeah i don't start like it is so so stressful it's more stressful than turning up to work nine to five and getting paid a salary every month yeah but it's it's it far outweighs the feeling of being miserable and weighed down by the other the alternative being in control of your own [ __ ] right yeah yeah you have to take full responsibility of everything yeah every aspect especially at the minute i have no help with this yeah i'm just starting to find people now who i could get help from um which is going to make it easier but yeah i i 100 agree you have to take it full like extreme ownership like jocko williams book it's like that isn't it taking perfect yeah yeah um what was the question [Laughter] yeah and you've you've created lots of opportunities for yourself really so how did they even come about like you know ssudez wins getting into the regiment even going into becoming a soldier in the first place and getting the powers like how did you create those opportunities um i guess i don't know like i kind of knew like i've never i've never been like i've never been a goal setter i've never been a rigid goal setter i've always had an idea in my head of what i wanted to do and like a vision of a life that i want to live in the future like i've got that in my head now and i think about it a lot whether that's goal setting it's not the traditional goal setting that you'd read about in the books of writing stuff down and journaling i can't do that because it just it gets lost um but i have a picture in my head of you know the things that i want to tick off next year and so what would an example be of that k2 next year okay um and then and you visualize yourself like at the top or nah just i just have a feet like i don't maybe i might go into a daydream about it i'm a big daydreamer um but but i know in my head that's something that i want to do and then you just you generally gravitate towards that then don't you um and there's a there's a few business things that i'm doing now that you know they're long-term things that i'm working on um and they take up a lot of thinking space and like the human body the human brain's amazing because you can think of that stuff right and that's generally like if you look around this room now everything was thought out in the brain from the car to the window to these microphones um so yeah and then it goes back to the opportunity thing of i have this general idea of what i want to do and then so you then when the opportunities come in you almost know which ones to pick and which ones not to pick and i think big ones for me were you know joining the military i always wanted to join the military um i used to you know i used to say at school i'm going to join the marines you stay at college i was going to join the marines um and then join the paris um but it was always to me what i wanted to do for whatever reason whether it was not like in school um people i spoke to in the military that you know used to tell me stories that inspired me to join and then i guess i guess we are joined the paras which is seen as the you know the probably the the best or the better regiment within the british army you know you've got a selection process to get in um i guess doing that i realized that you get more reward from doing harder things and you've you get a better sense of achievement like there's a feeling of being in the paradise that you probably don't get in a in a in like the royal logistics or an engineer court you feel like better than everyone else in a in a in a good sense not in a yeah well it was in the power of everyone else is a screamer right but that's probably an unhealthy way of it but then but you get that feeling that feedback of going for something that's seen as difficult and unachievable and then achieving it and that was the same with the sas and then i guess you guessed you get almost addicted to the feeling of wanting to conquer something which then led into you know the opportunity to climb everest which was an opportunity to climb k2 and again that was so that came from going to germany to do the the mountain guides course which again was another opportunity which i nearly turned down um but i think i think uh i think your intuition's a big thing as well i think gut feel is massive if something feels right or not i think your body and brain know that you should be doing that and shouldn't be doing that just like you probably with this you probably felt like it was the the right thing to do deep down um and yeah like everest was like that was a massive opportunity for me changed a lot of things changed a hell of a lot of things and then doing that doing it the second time was was even bigger right um and then yeah you know i've got this idea of where i want to go and the rest of it is just picking things that same now it's you know doing the tv show and doing this racing you know racing next year they're all like fun things i want to go and do right they're not things that i go maybe you know i mean the tv show probably was because there's a lot of a lot of other stuff that's associated with it um mainly you know coming out of the sas and then going on to tv is not what people do um but yeah the other stuff like racing cars like i wouldn't want to go and do that that's you know that sounds awesome so yeah it's you know seeking like it's like it is in the book you've got to have a general idea of where you want to go and then just opportunities arise all the time you just got to be able to spot them how did the opportunity for both everest the first time come round and then how did the tv show come around as well so the everest one was whilst i was still serving in the sas uh an ex-regiment guide john who'd actually been injured really badly in afghanistan he was a bit older but a helicopter landed on a vehicle that he was in like smashed him up big time you know his his knee was his his toes were in his hip so he's near over extended and he'd taken like a decline in in riyadh and end up leaving the military setting up some businesses did really well for himself he wanted to climb k2 he was still in touch with guys from the the regiment um and they were like look you know we'll send some guys on from from the regiment and went out to all the squadrons and i put my name forward and got picked so as easy as that because i'd done the mounting guides course that's great it's just throwing your name in the hat isn't it yeah yeah and i remember we're in oman at the time and i came back and the sergeant major pulled me aside and said jay there's a trip to k2 come up do you want to do it and i was like yeah yeah like why wouldn't you um so yeah we did we devised the training plan for john to get him up to the top of everest and get us up to the top of everest and um like we obviously made some mistakes and did some things right and that led to the summit in 2017. um which went smoothly it was you know pretty easier summit than maybe the second time um and then yeah the tv show that was the next one wasn't it that was when i was with through dark and um the producers had got in touch with us and asked if we could provide some clothing for them for the show and then at the time they were looking for this new storyline of an ex-special forces guide to go in as a as an undercover mole so we all kind of showed our interest or went through the selection process and all the latter through dark yeah and then i was yeah no good service is no longer required you know it's funny though like you made me think that the simplicity of throwing your name in the hat like i played football in america for two years and that just came down to me actually hearing about it from somebody else in the university team that i played in and then going you know [ __ ] it i'm gonna go to the trial and just see what happens and just that simple act of going to it was at man city's academy facilities training there led to two years in america playing football but there was probably a load of other people that heard about those trials that didn't and just sat there and went and then when you went was like how did he get picked that just didn't do anything about it right because i don't know for some reason they just didn't yeah yeah it's interesting isn't it sometimes it's not that difficult to make happen no and i've always been i've always been that guy that volunteers for stuff and throws myself into stuff because i've always from a young age wanting to do different things and experience different things so you know when you know high altitude freefall comes up i'm like yeah i want to go and do that or fast driving comes up i'm like yeah i want to go and do that and then you've got to ride the roof of the smooth as well right you get the [ __ ] jobs and when they come up you're like yeah i'm going to do that as well just send jay on everything he's good he's good that's interesting though because i think like well i mean actually before i asked that i'd love to hear a little bit more about getting on the show so what did it feel like when they did select you um i know that you had some negative feedback as well as some positive feedback so when we take opportunities you know they say that the the higher up you go the further you're asking yeah yeah yeah yeah so what was that process like before you actually got on and were able to even do it because it's exciting isn't it when you hear news like that but then you just got negative feedback yeah it's quite nerve-wracking to be honest um yeah because you know going on tv and that show gets bad press in the regimen it's it's a bit hit and miss right some guys are like yeah it's fine and and other guys mainly the older guys are like it's ridiculous like why is it even happening um and i was fresh out so i'd only been out maybe a year or just just less than a year and um so you know when i found out that i was going to go on as the mole um the producers then speak to um hereford to the regiment just to make sure that i'm not a liability and they they greenlight it and say that it's okay so i know that the producers then go back to probably my old squadron speaking to someone in there um who's gonna go you know jay was an all right guy so i'm just like i was on holiday in portugal at the time and um i remember coming back in and i was leaving my phone off purposely because i was just expecting something to flick the phone on and you know there's a few like messages on there that you know i won't go into details but there's the stories in the book um and at the time right you've you've served with these guys for so long you've built up a reputation based on merit um you know i was a tr i was trusted i was you know decent guy in the regiment and you build up a good reputation over 10 years and just off one or two messages that feels like that's been shattered in an instant and you feel that that's the general consensus of everyone which you know isn't the case but at that time you're like you know the gates are short see you later jay um which is a lot of weight on your shoulders so at the time i was just like we came back from surfing and uh staying in a hotel and i was just like let's go to the bar i just sank about you know four pints in in 15 minutes and got pretty wasted which made me feel better yeah temporarily yeah yeah and then like got back to the uk and obviously the dust had settled and rumor mill had gone round and yeah i just started receiving messages off some of the guys just saying you know we're glad it's you and like good luck and that kind of stuff which is i guess it's that thing right you you put yourself out there and you put yourself out there for opportunity but you also put yourself out there to receive stuff like that negative comments or people aren't going to like people aren't going to like stuff that you do sometimes um and it's that that good old saying right everyone wants you to everyone wants you to succeed just not as much as them um so when they see you doing well it's it's a negative on their their behalf i guess as long as we're prepared to put ourselves in the firing line like we if we want to take opportunities we want to progress and go as far as we can which is what we all really innately want to do we've got to be prepared to get negative feedback and be in the firing line like putting ourselves out there yeah massively and i think the more you do it when you first start doing it it's quite daunting and you might get negative feedback or whatever i think the more you do it the more you know you're doing the right thing because you you know that i don't know you might rub someone up in a certain way but you're like i know that i'm not doing anything wrong and it was kind of like that with the show i knew that i wasn't doing anything wrong so in my head i'm fine i've signed myself off but like people aren't going to get rubbed up by stuff that you do it's funny because you you well replaying back what you said there you've given the example of like just throwing your name in the hat and the opportunity opportunities come right that's a great one and everest came off the back of that but then there's the second opportunity which was getting onto the tv show which was actually the result of 10 years in the regiment yeah like not knowing that that's going to be the opportunity that comes at the end of it but just doing it with faith that well doing it because it's what you loved at the time as well but doing it with faith that it you know it leads to a lifestyle that you want as well yeah and that's the thing with opportunity once you start taking it and once you start understanding more about it you will like it pays off in the end and that was that was a that was a good pair for me yeah amazing what i loved in the book very early on you talked about personality types and i was basically everything you said about yourself i was relating to very similar campaigner i was i'm actually the debater so it's just like at the end which i thought it was a campaigner right and did it again after yeah then i got the debate i was like you read the debate um just like it's very similar to campaigner yeah um i think it's the last letter is right so it's en tp i think uh nf i'm enfp i think yeah so it's just apart from f it's t i think one difference um so just basically every time someone says something on an argument yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah whereas i'm like come on let's go do it but um it was interesting because i think with opportunity it's it's important first you mentioned intuitive to be able to go on that gut feel and be an extroverted as well i think those things really help when you want to push yourself out your comfort zone you want to you prepare to go into the firing line and all that sort of stuff but i'm interested to know your thoughts given your experience the people you've been around in the military and outside the military like what could people with maybe a different personality trait yeah do to find those opportunities and themselves out there because that's hard right because you this is the thing i'm starting to understand now is and especially writing the book and seeing the personality testing is everyone's different and i'm extroverted with a little bit of introvert in me oh yeah and um yeah i i like my own space yeah yeah yeah exactly that's introverted right i don't like being in big cities um but the extrovert in me wants to be around people at the same time but not everyone's like that but i think you know that's why i wanted to start the book with the personality testing was so that everyone can get an understanding of what they are people generally know whether they're introverted or extroverted right but if if you don't you do the personality testing and you start to understand more about yourself you then know that you know if you're massively introverted it doesn't mean that you have to stay introverted for life you can still be an introvert with extroverted characteristics but you've got to work at that and you might not like that but you have to work at it um just as i mean i'm not too bad but if you're an extrovert and you know during lockdown you found that difficult because there wasn't as many people to be around and take energy from you've got to work at being an introvert and enjoying your own space and being indoors so you know the starting point is understanding what you are and what personality type you are because you you everyone's different and everyone has a set personality type um and if that if your personality type is against going out and seeking opportunity or throwing yourself into into difficult scenarios or taking you know taking chances on things but that's a life that you want to live because again not everyone wants to do this kind of stuff people are happy going to that job that takes a salary and you know they're saving up for the mortgage yeah i wonder that too i don't know i don't know like you know people have to be honest with themselves i'd say there's a percentage there that probably aren't i aren't happy it's hard right everyone's different there's probably a percentage there that aren't happy that you know look at people like yourself that you know quit the job in the city to do podcasting and they want a piece of that and that creates negative or positive thoughts right you can even either inspire someone or you can send them down the old negative train and they fire you know they turn into trolls and start calling you all sorts of names um but yeah um how's it going it's funny like when you're saying you're just sort of figuring out and it's so funny and aligned with with myself as well as like just figuring out that people are different yeah i think because i have been screaming this message of like take flight take the leap of faith pursue your purpose don't live within the constructs of a corporate world and then there's limitations that people put on you then it's like well not everyone's like me yeah so just get out your own head for a minute i think that because i think it's it's become more clear to me because i've been coaching people and um lots more people recently than i have before and there's not a one size fits all method for helping people to find happiness or meaning or whatever it is because other other people get it other places and i'm my bias is to go like no do this quit the job like do the thing you love yeah because that works for you yeah and you've it's worked for you in the past yeah um and that's that's the beauty of say social media is you're able to put what you've you know what's worked for you out i'm able to put what's worked for me out some introverted character who's done whatever's able to put what he's you know as a person you you can go and get inspired or google search or whatever all these different kind of people and figure out a method that works for you um but you know like going back to it i think you know every everyone regardless of what personality type you are can learn a little bit more about just putting themselves out the comfort zone i think that's the biggest you know people say what's my favorite chapter in the book and it's i always say self and danger self because it's you know it's the first chapter it's all about that that starting block of learning about yourself so you've got that base level of right where do i go from here and then it's danger cause it's not you know the danger as everyone refers to as danger but it's it's the the seeking out discomfort or seeking out things that because dangers you know danger's very it's a it's a broad topic right but the say the same reaction your body goes through in a firefight or seeing a dead body is the same reaction that someone else's body might go through in asking a girl out or a boy out or um going for a job interview or you know being on a podcast or these kind of things right because it's not natural um but they're the greatest they're the greatest learners and your body adapts to it yeah it's funny um i've i pretty much made two pages of notes just on myself yeah in the chapter yeah what i loved actually when you when you spoke about figuring out who you are and getting getting to know yourself which you know i think everyone does that at some stage probably i i found with the people i've spoken to it's it's that sort of 28 to 35 yeah age when you're figuring figuring stuff out a little bit more you realize that you've been conditioned to a degree and then i think sorry and then i think towards the end of that you stop giving it you stop caring about it as much you're like i've kind of done all that introspection introspection kind of stuff and now i'm i'm almost just a bit more happier about i feel like you'd get like that like i'm like that now i'm just like 36. okay i'm in a place where i'm just i can't i feel like i've done all that internal work whatever you want to call it and i'm in a place where i know what makes me happy and what i want to do and maybe i'll i'll have to revisit in a few years but at this this moment i've just cared less about the things that you used to care about when you were younger which is good mate that's amazing to me i've been pretty deep in it like foreign i think i'm just starting to get to the stage so i just turned 33. right so it's nice to hear yeah towards the end i already feel it i'm happier than i think leaving the job has been a big part of it but i'm happier than i've been for years and i think it's getting to that stage now where i'm feeling like i don't have to i know a lot of stuff i've done a lot of work on myself and yes it's uh but that salary job that that work job that will stop you from doing that internal work like what would you call it yeah it is internally it is right introspection yeah i think the um the problem with the salary job is that i felt a lot of the time that i was taking one step forward and two steps back so like you know i i've either gone on a retreat or get some progress with take flight or whatever it was and then monday morning i'm back in the office surrounded by people who are just obsessed with money and cars on their laptops and can't wait to talk about the deal they're about to get yeah just drags you back into the thing of like because i know that if i did that i would win yeah like i have the personality and the the work ethic to win yeah but it was like and it was so hard with my competitiveness not to go back in there and like do everything i could to beat everyone there and go it just that's not important to me anymore um but yeah now it's nice to hear a couple more years maybe of introspection yeah maybe i don't know yeah yeah yeah so you said on there that you can go through um a process of getting to know yourself without the kind of deep introspective work on like childhood trauma or whatever it needs to be like how how can we do it without the heaviness and without that like because it's tiring it takes a lot of emotion doesn't it um yeah like me yeah do you know what it's hard to say right everyone's different again like i've never done any like i've never seen a psychologist i've never i've never gone back into in my own head i've gone back into say childhood and stuff like that but i've never i don't know i don't i've never really seen anything as a negative and i think that's probably one of my strongest points um i see everything as as say a learning point or a positive even take for example lockdown just recently you know we were talking about it before we started recording and you can quite easily take lock down and just instantly turn it into a negative you know the old woe is me and um you know i'm sure every person's situation is different some people lost their jobs some people maybe have lost wife's girlfriend whatever that's your job yeah ever yeah do you want to talk a little bit more about that like maybe people can take some inspiration from that story yeah you know i i came out of a clothing business um which you know poured my heart and soul into and um you know it was during lockdown and you know you can quite easily go into the the trap of of you know everything's you know the whole neck you know spinning on a negative like i said right but you've got to look at it as what it is um and you've got to adapt to what you're able to do um so yeah it's people are you know people are eat you know very easy to put a negative on onto things whereas i don't know everything's there like even the the losing my job right i don't even i don't even see it as that i don't even see it as like you know the negative word of well i got fired or whatever it is i don't see it as that it's just it was just not even a bump it's just part of life or do you see it just a chance for something else yeah yeah yeah yeah more freedom yeah it's funny because that's on a macro level that's yeah losing the job or making a big change like that but you can also do it on a micro level like even um i see it myself now where if someone says no it's coming on the podcast for example or like my event got canceled and stuff like that it's like well that's cool like we'll do it better next time yeah i'll get somebody else on just if you can do that daily yeah but then almost going back to something you said before i then struggle to relate to people that don't do that so that's another thing about having people around you when people you know and it might be family or close friends that you know i had a i'm not going to mention it was but um i had a message today and um yeah she was like explaining something really bad that happened to someone it's not that bad right but i struggle to relate to it i can't i can't find sympathy in that because you know they're getting evicted out of the house and that might be really bad for someone but you know if someone turned around to me and said right i can't pay the mortgages on this or whatever you've got to you know the bank's going to reclaim it which i'm sure wouldn't happen to me because you're in that mindset of going out and seeking out opportunity and you'll find a way of paying for it or but even if it did it's it's it's a start of something new or um yeah just i think from a very early age even you know like losing friends or you know in overseas ops or you know being in contact or seeing some of man's worst uh monstrosities i've seen it all as a positive towards my life as opposed to seeing it as a negative and coming back and slipping into some sort of mental health problem that's amazing mindset to have how do you think that we can better cope with change whether it's something we've decided to do or whether it's been forced upon us because i find that even with even when you make a change even if you've decided to there's like a feeling of grief sometimes attached to that or loss like even me there are i didn't like the job but there are things i enjoyed like going for beers afterwards with people or you know there was a thrill when you closed the deal or whatever it was like and then knowing that this is feeling is great and the path of my now there's still a feeling a little bit in there of like ugh i'd never get to do that again that chapter's gone yeah just because there's a little bit of like yeah lost there and i guess you have that with anything so it's ownership though isn't it that's what it comes down like we're on about ownership it is it's like you make all the decisions in your life you you made the decision that led to you know if you strip it all back you own everything right you you make every decision whether it's forced out of your hand or not because you made the decision to be in that position in the first place you know you're getting that house taken off you because for whatever reason you made the decision to live in that house in the first place and i don't know i feel like the more you take ownership of the choices that you make um it's no one else's fault right you know i could it isn't like and i'm just a big believer of that of everything that i do it's all it's all my fault it's all my opinion this is my life right i hate excuses i hate people who point fingers it's so like just don't you own your [ __ ] um yeah so it's it's that and then it's i guess once you you understand that a little bit more that's that's one of the greatest tools that you could ever have because you know it's it's that classic thing um where if you take ownership of everything right you take ownership of of every day like i want to wake up every day and be happy and you know you get these people that say that that's not possible but it is like why is it not like you owe it to yourself to wake up every day and be like i'm having an awesome life here like regardless of what happens someone could crash into me crash into my car or i could break a foot whatever right it's i still have a great time doing it um and yeah i think just having that mindset is is powerful yeah that's amazing a couple of things i think when you get caught in the slipstream you do outstretch and buy that bigger house or whatever that might lead to you losing it in the end like that's harder yeah it's true isn't it if you want a better life work harder find things that mean you earn more money to buy a bigger house and fly on business class it's all out there right it's not like we're 70 years ago where you had to go to the mines or you had to get a job that was relatable to your your education like you you're you've got a job as a podcast uh host it's great yeah it's pretty fun it's 2020 in early 2021 you can do whatever you want that's so true man i love that i love that i'd love to hear a little bit more of the stories from either everest or being in the military yourself like some of the let's go with like what's the biggest challenge or the most fearful that you ever felt in that because i think a lot a lot of the people who perhaps aren't living with this mindset is because of fear so examples of where you felt particularly fearful and overcome that whether that's a particular time in battle or or a time when you're on your climb um i think probably like leaving the military for me was definitely where i was like you'd say you know fear i probably wouldn't use the word fear but daunting maybe um why don't you pick that over being in contact yeah but then it's the unknown isn't it yeah and it's such a massive life-changing uh choice whereas being in a contact it might happen you know it might be over in 20 seconds it might take all day but you join the military to be in that contact um and don't get me wrong there's some times where you're like that was i was scary um but it's like playing a rugby game or i'd imagine akin to boxers standing in a ring or ufc fighters it's very similar to that where you know they're not feeling fear it's probably they probably feel a nervous like the body does something inside them but that doesn't mean like you shouldn't not fear what like your opponent in boxing or fighting because you know that's probably a big mistake to make just like fear and fearing an enemy going to war um because you get complacent but it's it's a bodily bodily reaction that your body goes through being in that situation whether you call it fear or what i prefer to just think of it as you know nerves or or whatever you know whatever that feeling is i find like nerves and fear are very negative words right so i've struggled to throw them into a sentence that relates to that kind of stuff but leaving the military there's some sleepless nights there there's a lot on your mind and it's a big choice and it happens over a long period of time and there's a lot of stress that comes with that a lot of stress of the what ifs and you've been a part of this unit this special forces unit for 10 years and that forms your identity whether you like it or not um and you're surrounded by a load of guys that all you know live think and feel the same things and you go and form some of the greatest relationships around the world in whatever situations and scenarios you end up in um to then you know turn around and say you know you don't want to be a part of that um for whatever reason and then you're not leaving to go into a job that's planned or you're not leaving for like i was leaving to just get more freedom so it's not like i was leaving to go right i want to go and study law because i've got a real passion to be a lawyer um it was more just i just need freedom i need i need some space and it wasn't that i didn't like the job i loved the job i just didn't like the freedom the the freedom that it didn't give you yeah um where were we [Laughter] just talking about like the fear of making that decision yeah that was it so so yeah you know when i left you give 12 months notice to come out the military yeah um and i ended up giving six weeks just because you know the guys were megallenian they honored the fact that i wanted to get out pretty quickly and you go from from being you know a part of an integral team and um having an important role in a special forces environment to be in a two-bed flight in london um with kind of no real direction of of how you want to navigate the civilian world um and you lose that identity instantly and that's that's something you feel right you feel like you feel a little bit lost for a little bit of time and that that was probably like you know when you talk about fear that was probably the time when i felt that fear the most um because even if you don't make it as a civilian you've failed right you go back to the lads they all take the piss out of you that's the worst feeling ever um and it's not the failure aspect it's going back to the lads in the world just being like you muppet is that when your like period of introspection started when you left or was it ongoing before nah i think i've always been like that yeah i think it was more when i when i came out just because i had the time like we said if you're in a job that pays a salary in a nine-to-five job you generally don't have that time for introspection um because you want to finish that job come back and watch tv and go to the gym and that you want to de-de-stress or take your mind away from that job and it's the same being that being the special forces it's a not a nine-to-five job but it's a job that you get up in the morning you you turn up for work you finish work you go to the gym yeah you want to just chill out right and take your mind away from the job or you know just like why people watch netflix in the evening um whereas now i find i watch less tv because like i'm in control of my own life which means that you know if i want to have a good life and travel and do the things i want to do i've got to work for it yeah i can't just sit here and and do nothing otherwise there'll be no money in the bank and i won't get all these opportunities what does like uh a week look like for you at a minute what now yeah god different every week variety which is again what i like um yeah random like i i don't know about you but i love mondays i love monday yeah i'm so charged man for a monday yeah i get bored on a weekend same yeah i can't wait to start you know i saw something the other day i said monday is the most stressful day globally yeah i was i just couldn't again i couldn't relate just because maybe it's cause we love what we do but yeah um the thought of getting to go again after a little bit of a rest yeah like i get it you know unless i've got something really big planned at the weekend like good at going down a cornwall surfing or if there's waves where'd you go uh usually just nookie yeah but if there's waves i'm good for the weekend but if there's no waves or the weather's bad i'm i'm literally i'm not i don't know what to do with myself because the whole week i'm i'm working i'm creating stuff so i'm sat there like on a sunday just twiddling my thumbs and uh i can't wait for monday to start like monday morning i'm up i like go and do some exercise whether it's in the you know in the gym in the back garden or in the gym or i go for a walk and come back here i'll like do my have my coffee have some breakfast and i'm like good to go i'm like firing the laptop up um uh usually around seven yeah six thirty seven and then yeah like i've been um i've been over some runs recently first thing in the morning i'll try and do something active in the morning to wake myself up um get in the bin uh which is about yeah it's about three degrees like cold water uh with cold water or icing as well no i don't put the ice in it yeah it's cold enough at the minute um yeah and then try and do some sort of workout um and then yeah like i just find myself being busy all day just trying to create stuff and um obviously i've got the book going on i've got the racing car stuff um and then i've got a business with a friend at the minute which we're working on which is taking up like loads of time for all the right reasons about what their business is uh not really but um so yeah like i'm flat out monday to friday for the best reasons um and then if i'm racing i'll be away racing and then the weekend comes and you want that chill time and i want it for like a good hour or two hours then i'm like good to go again you like that holidays as well i can do like two days and then i'm itching to i've got to go i've got to go with a purpose so i'll go somewhere to surf or to climb i couldn't just go somewhere for a week and sit in a hotel and sunbathe that's probably my idea of her sorry for all those people who like doing it i can't i think with again talking about the corporate world and those jobs that we get caught in you need that downtime so a week away to sit on a beach is like you're just a chance to find yourself again but if you're doing something that you care about you don't necessarily need that yeah like we love what we're doing so that monday mornings that's my weekend yeah i take um i'll just take a pile of books yeah yeah and read yeah like you know on the plane i'll just i never used to read until i was until i started this journey really like 26 27 of like trying to figure stuff out what i wanted to do and everything else um so yeah i'll go through a couple of books on a flight and then around the pool or whatever yeah i've got to go like either a lot of exercise so i'll get up go for a run got to be a gym or i'll go yeah for a purpose either to go climbing a surfing yeah i'd love to hear a little bit about your uh routine so you talked about getting in the bin um what your morning routine looks like stuff you took from the special forces and and still practice today uh as much as this is about purpose not everyone wants to you know quit their job and and take that leap immediately it's also about performance so how people can just generally be better day-to-day so yeah the little things we can add into our days to make us better what what would you advise i think morning routines are important for that um because it can instill a lot of discipline and discipline you know disciplines and muscle so the more you practice it the better you get at it so yeah i generally get up about 6 30 seven i'll do some sort of exercise get in the bin so just get some cold water whether it's a cold shower or the burn um and then yeah i do things that i just do automatically like make my bed yeah um i've got this thing at the minute where i don't i leave my phone off till 9 30 so i'm not looking at instagram because we all do it right you get sucked into that even when you think people aren't right they're the biggest high performers ever but i bet elon musk wakes up and checks instagram as soon as he wakes up because it's designed that way and we're all humans so i've got this thing now where i leave my phone off till 9 30 regardless of what i do do you know what i'll just leave it on the on the on the side of the bed because i'll fall asleep listening to a podcast oh nice um but it'll be on silent but i'll just leave it on the side of the bed so i'll get up either jump in a cold shower or the bin uh go for a walk do some exercise and then i'm having my breakfast and it's weird right because you're so used to just coming down and maybe looking at your phone whilst you're having a coffee i'll be just having a coffee with nothing in the room and i'll i'll imagine myself so i'll be looking around but i can imagine myself being stood there staring at my phone and how much you missing out on how much that thing just sucks so much your life away from you um and then yeah like i do you know i try and tidy up what i need to tidy up in that short period of the morning because i like to start the day whatever i'm doing everything tidy in it in order i've not got ocd but i just find that there's less noise to think about if you know the washing's been sorted or the pillars have been fluffed there's less noise in your head which you know leads to a productive day so yeah that's generally my morning routine and again i feel you know if as i think if people are struggling with discipline or resilience um things like waking up early you know setting your alarm 30 minutes before an hour before and just getting up and going for a run you know teaching that teaches resilience and discipline because i get asked a lot how do you you know how does someone become disciplined or resilient and that's how you do it in the military you get told to do things that you don't want to do you do it and that's the best way of of getting more resilient and going back to what you were saying about what i've taken from my life and the special forces to what i do now that's probably one of the biggest things and that's you know why i get in the bin at seven in the morning is um because it's uncomfortable and it's not what i want to do but by doing it anything else becomes a lot easier yeah like if i can get out of my warm bed at seven get into that bin which is three degrees i find for the rest of the day just in terms of productivity i'm way more productive but you don't get colds or anything either do yeah i mean the there's the other health benefits that you get from it um which i'm not i'm read up on but i'm not an expert you don't get a call from getting in the bin but um it's more just about that resilience factor of getting in the bin and doing it and now if i get up and i'm not going in cold water like i was in the sea this morning with the lads um you feel guilty for not doing it how long did you do in the bin ah the minute probably about three minutes four minutes yeah it's cold it's colder than the sea that burn yeah it's nice it's such a good feeling i do cold showers it's such a good feeling when you go past that point if i it becomes warm right yeah yeah and you just feel it feels amazing and then you crave that feeling yeah i like the moment where you you go in the shower turn it on cold put it all all the way on cold and then that moment that you get in that first shock moment because that's the most uncomfortable moment and then the rest of it's quite nice yeah the um it's i find it interesting that i don't know if you're the same every morning i don't want to do that's it pouring water by the way he's not going to toilet it's me having a pouring cold water on my legs just for effect i'm not messing about here i actually do um yeah every morning um i don't want to do it you don't want to go off the stuff that you do you know that you've got to do it though yeah it's funny though you were saying in the regiment you get told what to do anyway the difference being now particularly morning routines is you just have to do it yourself you have to hold yourself accountable which is probably is more difficult that's laziness right if you don't yeah and that's you know that's probably the worst the worst character trait that anyone can have is laziness um and i even feel lazy at times i think probably most productive people do feel lazy which is why they're so productive yeah because they notice that laziness creeping in on themselves which is you know if you skip a workout or skip a bin day that's laziness right yeah you sat up in your bed going i don't want to do that and then you give in to that feeling of not wanting to do that which is why you should go and do it yeah what did what did you do in uh so again talk about performance like whether it's going to play an fa cup final or whether it's going to go and deliver a pitch in business or whether it's going to go on to the battlefield what did you do before you were going to you probably expected you're going to go into contact like was there a process that you went through uh i used to think about the job before you go on it um so you'll get a set of orders before you go to do a job and you'll you'll generally know then whether it's going to be um dangerous or high contact or you know there's going to be rounds going um so you know you might be sat in a helicopter for three hours four hours um in pitch black before you go and do it so you've got a job when you land regardless you know whatever that is um so you generally just going through what you're going to do when you get there um so your troop might be going to a certain area to overwatch a certain thing or you might be the first guys in or you might be providing protection for the job going on or whatever it is um so i just run through that in my mind so that you're 100 happy with what you're doing when you get on the ground so that when you get off you can just go straight into that and whatever other noise goes on around you you'll still stick to what you need to do yeah so there's what there's like no surprise element to it yeah and then it's the old classic um no plan survives first contact or what did mike tyson say you can plan until you get punched in the face and then yeah it's this classic right and then the rest is just adaptability yeah it's amazing but you don't you know you you don't generally think about bad things that are going to happen or um again it's not really a bad thing that's going to happen right you're going to go there and do that specific job so you just need to figure out how you do you know you best do that job to its best ability and the rest is training you know you've been in these situations before you kind of know what what to do yeah did you enjoy being a part of the ss yeah i loved it did you yeah big time yeah yeah best job i've ever had really kind of i mean i've not got a job now so i can't call it a job your free free spirit yeah yeah what's the difference between the sas obviously apart from says it in the initials right the air service or the boat service but the sas and the sbs um probably more historically the sbs or still now the sbs specialise in maritime stuff um so anything offshore and then the sas are predominantly on land um they generally do the same job these days but historically that was why they were both set up yeah was the same with marines in paris the marines are offshore and the powers are unsure but they you know you look at afghanistan they both did the same job yeah interesting we do the same three questions at the end of every episode i've got one more for you before we jump into those quick five yeah um if you were to think back you'd just say how much you'd love to be in the ses if you were to think back to a moment in your life where you felt you had the most meaning what would that be when was that whoa um uh probably like what's probably some of the everest expeditions yeah yeah because you're in charge of the you know i was expedition leader so you're in charge of the guys that are on the expedition and they all want to summit and it's six weeks of being away um and everyone wants to summer whether they're paid money or they're on the expedition or the military's paid them to do it and it's your job to coordinate that in the best way possible to get them on the summit of everest which is a massive achievement for anyone um so yeah probably probably that wow i guess yeah it's such a feeling of purpose driven to a single goal for a period of time with loads of people that you're responsible for and it's stressful right that second expedition i had you know there was i think there's nine people on the expedition and it's your job to look after them all and make sure that you know you've looked at the right weather systems and spoke to the right people that you you know if your kit is going to be ready if you go up to summit there's a lot that goes into it and everyone's got their own expectation of you and yeah stressful what's that feeling like on the top of everest top of the world the first one i got there up there on my own and the guy that i was with john got up there just you know 30 minutes after me um the first time it was kind of a little bit of an anti-climax um because there was no there's no real difficulty in getting to the summit it was hard don't get me wrong it was probably one of the hardest things i've done but i never felt you know i've always done difficult things so i've always been in that feeling of my body feels tired but i'm gonna keep on going which is what everest is all about so when i got to the top it was more just oh let's enjoy this the second time there was a lot more that went into it um we tried to summit earlier and if you know you've read the book the prologue in the book there was that um that you know dark time when i was getting from camp one to camp two at night time um there was more people on the expedition more expectation more calamity um everything from gone off rations to yeah all sorts of stuff went on so when i finally submitted that second time with um three of the other guys like that was even though the summit day wasn't as nice as the first day the first sorry the first time first time i had the whole summit to myself no one else on it second time it was absolutely rammed full of other people which wasn't great but the fact that it was more difficult to get to the summit um made that standard on the summit completely different experience and you know i shed a tear whilst i was up there and started crying as soon as i got to the top um so yeah that's interesting so the time that was more difficult felt much better i guess yeah because there's a lot of a lot of emotion and thinking and a lot of head space that goes into an everest expedition um you know you start thinking about it and planning it way before you even go there and that takes up a lot of time and space in your head a lot of emotional space and then there's the build up to actually flying out where you're thinking about what might go wrong or there's a lot of commitment that goes into it especially guys that pay like i've been lucky enough not to pay to do these expeditions so someone might pay 50 grand to go and climb everest and they want to climb everest and that might not be possible and then you go away for six weeks six weeks is a long time to be away from work to be away from whatever it is that you do um you live in altitude which is detrimental to the brain and body you're eating peru it's horrendous food it is i'm not gonna lie you wouldn't eat it in here and it's the same stuff over and over again you're exerting all your energy you're fatigued um so there's a lot that goes into it all for the you know the 15 to 20 minutes that you spend on the top of that summit um which you know if that's a difficult time of the whole thinking and planning and prep and um acclimatization then to stand on top is is well you know it's the feeling's a lot more amplified than if it is if it was easy and you just flew up there it wouldn't feel as good yeah so there's a lot of emotion and energy that goes into it yeah it's funny going back to what we said right at the beginning of the chat about seeking the difficult thing yeah yeah yeah it's like k2 right i've been thinking about k2 for probably three years um and that takes up a lot of space that's in my head right someone goes what's your goal next year to go and climb gate 2. um and that comes with its own challenges like it's a dangerous mountain so that's going to take up a lot more stress and building up to it than an everest expedition would really is it harder than everest yeah yeah it's steeper okay um but you know k2 is probably known most for being a dangerous mountain so a quarter of the people at summit don't make it back down wow really yeah a quarter yeah so you got 75 chances you make it to the summit well you've got 100 chance yeah um amazing mate it's been such a pleasure so the last three questions uh just quickfire uh give people actionable stuff to take away and apply to their own lives that's gonna help them drive their performance so the first of these is real simple i have an idea of what you might say but is there one thing in particular that you've either discovered come across or have coming up that you're particularly excited about uh in my life as in just probably probably racing cars so we haven't spoken about this yet so yeah so you're so yeah explain um so during lockdown i got approached by it's through a friend of my managers um who's now working for a car brand called prager which isn't a well-known car brand but they've got a massive history it's from based in prague in the czech republic uh and they've built planes have built military vehicles have built go-karts um and a racing car called a prager r1 and um they're launching a new supercar next year and they've got a one mate race series going out next year in an event called brick car endurance which is an endurance series so you race for 60 minutes with two drivers per car um and they're putting this one mate race race series out so it's a load of pragers they're exactly the same that are gonna be racing against praguers so it makes it an even play uh playing field um so it's on the driver yeah so obviously got given this opportunity and why not yeah yeah like you know i like machines and vehicles and um so yeah i think i'm most excited about that more than anything but i actually drove it for the first time uh about three weeks ago yeah this absolute weapon it's crazy i'll show you a picture of it after this okay um but it's a full aero car so the faster you drive it the more grip it produces similar to an f1 car yeah which means that you know you can go around the corner at 70 mile an hour and the tires will grip you go around the corner at 90 miles an hour it'll grip with the aero but anywhere in between you can spin off so it's about having that confidence in the car that the faster you drive it the more grip it's going to produce jesus okay i wonder what the survival rates are in there i've already spun off a couple of years because i'm not a racing car driver right and i'm racing against people that have been racing cars since they were eight years old and they're 19 years old 19 year old kids like the two so danny and jem they just won the championship they're both 19 years old uh both been racing since they were you know eight years old and go-karts and ginettas um but do you know what for me um i know that i'm not gonna be jumping in that car and winning straight off um because it's so hard right it's hard and you get excited and want to drive fast i think for me my biggest goals are just finishing races right now and just trying to build up a level of confidence and a level of uh control in the car where i can start pushing it amazing sounds so exciting yeah yeah i'd avoid seeing how you get on with it second of these is if you had to encourage all listeners to try one habit or routine to put into their day that's going to help them be better what would that thing be cold water yeah definitely whether it's a cold shower whether it's going outdoors and getting in the sea or a river um or whether you want to go one up and buy your own bin i'm actually upgrading the bin i'm gonna get a horse trough nice so like an outdoor bath yeah yeah um but definitely cold water yeah and just put it out here yeah just start off small um you know if if you wanted to you could start at the end of a hot shower and just turn it over to cold and time yourself for 30 seconds a minute two minutes um i just go big and bold and just get in the shower and it's cold or buy a bin or five in but yeah so good for you yeah better than any coffee first thing in the morning yeah so that on a coffee is tenfold yeah the drink yeah drink your coffee in the in the yeah yeah amazing i couldn't agree more i love it i was actually instant ivs over the summer so i was uh actually knows in uh october yeah so it was cold so i was using the i was getting the sea there in the harbour and sometimes so good isn't it expect like i prefer to go in nature in the cold water in nature just because you get more from it than sitting in a plastic bin yeah but the effects the same yeah yeah it's harder to like the slow walk down the beach to get in and just like oh let's go just gotta get in there don't think about it so the last of these is if you had to say one trait that you feels allowed you to be the person that you are today achieve all the things that you've done what would that one trait be ah god there's probably quite a lot yeah um i guess not being content with boredom is probably the biggest thing um yeah that's amazing yeah just the refusings i have for them being bored yeah yeah and i don't mean boredom as in i mean boredom in my life and not general boredom as in you know sometimes i find myself being bored right as in you just sat in the living room on the weekend i'm bored or whatever um i mean more just with my life like i'm not bored with my life and that's where i want to be but the moment that i'm bored with something or someone or um something that i'm doing then yeah that's when you need to get away from it yeah you'll you'll use our feeling as a trigger to act and change this yeah which hopefully i won't end up end up in that position because i'm so dedicated to trying trying to get away from it amazing jay it's been a pleasure man you're a legend amazing stuff coming up i'm looking forward to following you in uh 2021 and the book's amazing i can't recommend it enough i really enjoyed getting into it reading actually i didn't know what to expect necessarily it was it was awesome it was right on my street with the even the examples that you used and the way it was written it was great mate so um yeah thanks again for sitting down with me and it's been a pleasure making a lot of excuse mark thank you very much

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Published: Fri Jan 15 2021