WE ARE PRIVILEGED | Trash Taste #71

- Nice cock. - Cum. Cyberpunk music. - There's just some memes that just like transcend time. - Harambee! - I still laugh at Uganda knuckles meme man! That will never not be funny to me. (upbeat music) - I showed Joey that I slammed my penis in the car door meme today. - I don't understand that one. - It's not about understanding. Half of the meme is right, that's how it always starts though. You don't understand the meme when you first get introduced. - [Garnt] Yeah. - But you understand it through a weird repetition and kind of mutual respect of not really understanding what the fuck is going on. - [Joey] Right! - But it's kind of funny. - But like you know, most memes, it's like you can change it up a bit. You can make a derivative. I dunno how much you can derive. (Joey chuckles) - You'll be surprised. It's like the whole steamed hams thing, right? - That's true. - It can be pushed as much as it wants to. By the way, welcome to this episode of the Trash Taste Show. I don't know app your own. Not that we say that- - But The Trash Taste Show! - You Trash Taste Show. - Trash Taste Show! (all chuckle) - I guess we just found ourselves in a topic before we even like started the show. - But welcome, I'm your host Connor, with the boys, Joey and Garnt. - Call the segment, Nice Kong. - In the time that-- - No, we don't do that. - 'Cause like going back to the memes, I don't understand why I find things funny anymore. (Joey laughs) Sometimes I don't know why bass-boosted things are funny, but like, it just appears in the meme sometimes, so I just like laugh. - I think we're slowly breaking down the human psyche and the human consciousness, and what is objectively funny. And for some reason seeing an Orangutan, and some men going, "Oh, oh, stinky!" seems to always make me laugh, and I can't tell you why. There's no deeper meaning, I'm just fucking stupid and I've been hacked by this system that somehow works against me. - It's just like perfect science of just like the right noises and the right image you know. - You know it's bad when I could show that to a five year old and they would be unamused, but I'm there just pissing myself, like crying, laughing, and it's like, "What has happened? Have we been hacked in a way that like allows our brain to revert to like one years old and find things funny? 'Cause I don't know anymore. - I don't know, I feel like the internet just like broken our sense of humor. Like why is the peak of internet comedy just perfectly cut screams? (Joey laughing) - That is just like-- - That will never not be funny. - I know, but why is it so funny? - I don't know. - Like I hear a scream, I sleep. If you cut it just once like a millisecond in, it's fucking like comedy genius. - Because imagining the disaster is way funnier than seeing a disaster. - Yeah, that's what it is. - Like it's like, you've probably seen a lot of the videos, right? Where there's like a punchlines, where people use like massive explosions. - [Garnt and Joey] Yeah. - It's like the punchline. But you never think like, so like what was that explosion? (all laugh) - Was that a-- - What was blowing up? - Did people die? (all laughing) Like, you know, you like, "Ha ha, explosion go blow!" You know what I mean? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - True, true. - Stuff is way funnier when you can imagine what happens almost in some aspects, right? - What do you think is a meme that you'll find funny again in five years? - Any Wiii sports meme for me. (Garnt laughing) Like at the moment that music starts playing, I'm like, before the joke even starts, the moment I hear the music, it's already funny. - I'd like to think when I'm 50 years old, that there's somebody I can go to, and I'll be like, what's 9 plus 10. (Connor chuckles) And then they'd be like 21. (all laughing) And I'd be like, "Yeah!" - Yeah, my man! (all laughing) And then we'll like, you know what I mean. The same way that my parents mentioned some weird '60s BBC show that I-- - [Garnt and Joey] Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, I know the spotted thing, yeah. I'd like to think that's what it's gonna be like, you know. - [Joey] Yeah. - They'll be like, "So no head." And I'm like 60 and I'm like pissing myself. - [Joey] Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I don't know. - We're in this weird time where I think humor is gonna be so fucked and liked! - Oh yeah! - I mean it's fucked month by month let alone what is going to be like in like one or two years. - I don't know. - It's gonna be like some Morse code jokes or something. - Yeah probably. (all laughing) - We're just gonna hear (Joey mimics) and just fucking piss ourselves off. - It's gonna be visual like a braille. It's gonna be like, "And then he said..." and it's like just braille on the screen. And we're gonna be like pissing it, and it's gonna be like-- (Joey laughs) - That sounds like a hilarious meme. - That could be a meme. (all laughing) This is why memes are going now. - Base-boosted braille? (all laughing) - I'm laughing at the thought of shitty memes, you know. - Base-boosted braille! - Can you imagine that? (all laughing) - And then he said, brrrh! (all laughing) - [Connor] And this is the thing-- - The idea of that just sound hilarious to me. - Can we just go with the new meme? - I think it weird. (Garnt laughing) - And it's weird because being friends with someone like Chris, right? - Yeah. - Chris is just on the... Chris in the weirdest spot I think. Because I've shown memes to Chris, where Chris will break down laughing. - Yeah. - And they're absolutely stupid. But I've also showed him memes where his boomer side comes out. - [Joey] Right? - [Garnt] Yeah, yeah. - And he's definitely like, "What is this? What is this nonsense? Why is there flashing noises and deep fried? What is that, what is...?" You know what I mean? Like Chris is at that really interesting spot where he's like, Chris can be a boomer when he wants to be a boomer, but he also enjoys Gen Z humor when he wants to. - Yeah, that's true. - And I find that really interesting. Because I'm totally like, my humor is so fucked now. - Yeah. - I can only laugh at stuff when it's like bass boosted and farting noises. I don't know. (Connor and Joey laughing) (Cross-overs) I feel like I'm a child, I'm a child. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. I feel that. Because it's gotten to a point where I don't know why I find the things I do funny, I just know I find it funny. And there's no like formula to it. There's nothing I can break down to be like, "Ha ha, that was why the punchline was funny." You know. - You can't explain half the memes any more. - But the problem is this, if you have a favorite comedian, you can be like, watch their standup special. - [Garnt] Yeah. - If I find like base-boosted, (Connor laughing) Daffy Duck slamming his penis in the car door with prapid rapid there. How the fuck do I begin to explain what I'm into? - Just send a YouTube link. (Garnt laughing) - But then-- - Trust me, this is 10 million views, it's funny. - Here's the problem with sending people weird ass memes like that. - [Garnt and Joey] Yeah. - It's like. And I've had this, 'cause I've been on the receiving end of memes-- - I think everyone has. - Yeah. - Where I'm like, what the fuck is this? - Yeah. (Connor chuckles) - And it's just as, we've turned to comedy into this weird kind of niche, where it's like the equivalent of liking some weird German techno band now. And it's like, that's what comedy is now. - Because to get like a lot of the most funniest memes to me, it takes like 10 layers of meme levels. - You gotta go deep. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's something that if you're not invested in this one, in like one meme aspect, then you're just not gonna get the meme, 'cause it's joke can be random. - The joke of the meme is like a reference to another joke and another meme, and so on and so forth. So it's like- - What the fuck is this coffee, hold on. What the... Does your coffee tastes weird? - Well, what does it taste like? - [Man] Like, what's wrong with it? - It tastes like coffee. - What kind, is it instant coffee? - [Man] No, it's not. - Oh, it's very... - Whoa, what the fuck? - [Man] It's coffee that Meilyne usually makes. - Is it really? - That's some bass-boosted coffee. - Yeah. (all laughing) - This is what of described as a crunchy coffee. - Yeah. - [Man] Let me see. - Have you had this coffee before? - [Man] No but. - What did I do? Sorry, sorry, that threw me off. - [Garnt and Joey] Yeah. - Do you mind if I? - Sure, go ahead. - Go ahead. - Coffee review with Nabi. - Huh, it's very stale. - What the fuck? - It tastes stale, yeah. - Did the Nespresso let us down? What's going on? Is it the milk? - Just a betrayal-- - I'll go and check. - Is it the milk? - Get the operations, send in the press, find out what happened here. - It might be the milk. - I'll go upstairs. - Whoa, that's funky. - Like I just don't bother to try and keep up with memes anymore, just because like... It's like, I already thought the fun in Uganda knuckles meme went by so goddamn fast! And now I've realized that Ugandan knuckles sticking around for a month, was like a feed of accomplishment for me. - I mean, I still find the Ugandan knuckles funny. - Yeah. - I think five years ago, it's even quite different from how memes are now. - [Joey] Mm! - [Garnt] Yeah. - Now, I feel like, okay, five years ago we had memes and we had like three or four that were pretty big, and you wouldn't really hear about other memes. But now there's always like 10 memes going on at once, maybe one of them will kind of get somewhat mainstream. - [Garnt and Joey] Yeah. - And even that I don't even mean mainstream, like normal audiences, I mean like-- - Like on the internet? - The Twitter sphere-- - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Because there are so many memes, like if you ever watched Lessons in Meme Culture, do you watch that channel? - No. - Guy discusses memes, and there's like every day there's a new meme. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But most of these memes live and die in the week. I don't consider them like memes. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, no, no. - I'm like, if this is a niche thing that gets used a little bit in some communities and it doesn't really take off. I'm like, yeah, you don't really keep up with this. - [Garnt] Yeah, yeah. - [Joey] Mm! - Because it's scarcely anything to give a shit about. - Yeah. - [Man] I found out why. - Why? - Because we're using almond, Not soy milk. (man chuckles) - No! - No, this doesn't taste like almond milk! - [Man] No? - I use almond milk with my coffee all the time. - [Man] That states says almond, I bought almond. - It's the coffee that tastes weird. - [Man] Is it? - I think it's the combination of the almond and the coffee. - [Man] Probably. - Yeah, I mean like, there are some memes that you see and you're like, this is gonna die off within two days. - Yeah, yeah. - Because I feel like if a meme is too easily replicated that your mom could do it, then it's not a good meme. You know what I mean? - Also, I feel with like some memes it's like, okay. Like a video with like 10 million views pops up, it's like, "Cool, that went viral." But it's like, you can't do anything else with it. - [Connor] Yeah. - So it just ends up being this one video that has a lot of views, and then it gets forgotten over time. - I think a perfect meme, right, is one meme when you initially watch or discover it, you think, "This is fucking stupid!" - [Garnt] Yeah. - And then third time you're like, "Yeah, okay." - Have you witnessed a perfect meme yet, as the meme master? - I think vocabulary does that quite a lot, like the word like busing. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I actually despised it when I first heard it. Somehow it just grew on me. - [Garnt and Joey] Yeah. - Right now I find it hilarious. So I don't know why I can't stop saying it. They're like "deez nuts" - [Joey] Yeah. - Like "deez nuts" is not funny. Scientifically speaking "deez nuts" is not funny. - Speaking of some, I find hilarious. But I'll fucking laugh. (all laughing) I will laugh every goddamn time. - I'll find every any opportunity I can to say "deez nuts." - It's one of those memes where you laugh and you like hate yourself over eternity. (Joey laughing) - Yeah, yeah. - You know what I mean? - It's like dabbing. - It's the modern equivalent of whipping yourself, but mentally, you're just like, "Fuck! Got to have to schedule a better help call after this, fuck!" - I feel like a lot of memes now are also like platform dependent. Like there are like so many TikTok trends and TikTok memes that are massive on the platform, but we don't like get exposed to it at all. And feel like it's only like a super, super, super big meme, if it like goes off of the TikTok platform and you see it on Twitter or on like YouTube as well. - Is Japanese TikTok good? - No! (Joey laughing) - Because right and I know- - Is TikTok good? - Yes, I think TikTok is good? - I'm gonna say this, right now, before people go accuse me of being like, "Oh, let's see what the content gives you, blah, blah." I downloaded TikTok, right? - [Garnt and Joey] Yeah. - Fresh account. - [Joey] Yep! - The first thing I opened it, so it knows I'm in Japan. - It's automatically Japanese. - It's automatically Japanese TikTok. What do you think comes up? And like I'm scrolling for a while, What do you think comes up? - Well, my experience? - Yeah. - From my experience it's just a lot of like Japanese girls dancing. - Goddamn it, that's all it was! - Yeah, that's what it really is. - All these are literally Japanese women, right? - [Garnt] Yeah. - And yeah, they're very beautiful, very attractive. - Yeah. - Not even dancing, just like moving their arms slightly. - They're just like... - They normally have assets that are bigger than normal. - [Garnt and Joey] Yeah. - And that was all it was. I scrolled through like 50 TikToks and maybe out of the 50, I didn't support any of them, just scrolling, brand new account, nothing. All it knew was that I was probably male, I'm guessing knew that from the app store. - [Garnt] Yeah, yeah. - [Joey] Sure, sure. - And that's all it was. - Yeah. - And like, you'll enjoy this type of content, You're a Japanese male. - And I was just like, don't get me wrong, there's a time and a place for this- - [Joey] Yeah. - [Grant] Yeah. - I don't want this! - Yeah. - This is not want. - I wanna see the memes. - I'm not a kind of person, all right. I don't know if this is like a sigma male grind set. I don't wanna see this... - I hate how you said that. - I don't wanna see like women or... (Connor laughs) That sounds so bad. (all laughing) - Go on, say it, say it! - I don't wanna see women! - I don't wanna shit that's trying to make me horny when I'm not horny, right? - [Garnt] Right, right. - If I wanna watch stuff like that, I'm just gonna go and watch porn. - [Joey] Yeah of course. - It's very obvious what audience that is. Am I allowed to say that, that's like women just dancing and showing off boobs. - I mean, it's been like that since the beginning of probably time. - I'm fine with that content, but I don't want that most of the time. - Yeah, I mean-- - There's so much of that kind of content you can consume. - It's the same reason why everyone hated the old... Remember when like YouTube went through this epidemic of the "Reply Girls?" - Yeah. - Where it was just girls with-- - Scarcely kind clothes, yeah. - Obviously I have absolutely nothing against people who wanna make that content. - No, exactly. - I support all that stuff and any sex workers, you keep doing what you wanna do, man. I wish there was more protection around stuff like that. Obviously this isn't, it's very different. But it's just for me personally, most of the time when I see that stuff, I'm not the audience they're trying to appeal to. Because I don't want to... I don't see that stuff and I'm not like, "Oh this is the content I wanna see." - Right. - You're also not a horny teenager anymore. - Right, right, but to me it's like as someone who is 25, I'm doing my own thing and whatnot, to me when I see a girl dancing as a content creator, I'm just like, "Okay, what am I following for here?" - Yeah. - What am I... If I wanna follow this creator what am I coming back for? - [Garnt and Joey] Yeah. - To watch them dance? Like when it's not dancing, it's not dancing - And not even, it's like your 50 year old adult dancing. - They do this fucking same thing every time, they just go like this. - [Joey] Yeah, it's like you're 50 year old aunt at a wedding. - Yeah. - It's just the bare minimum of movement, and it's like this is dancing. - Right, right. Kind of this conversation makes me sound so sexist, I'm not trying to be. - I don't know. - But it's not the content, we personally want to see all right. - That's not even like the worst kind of like... How can I say? I don't know what the genre is, but like the sleazy bait or whatever. I don't even know what the genre is? Like I remember that-- - It's obviously sexual and it's trying to appeal. And anyone who sees the video and says it's not sexual, it's complete bullshit. - [Joey] No, it is absolutely sexual. - You know who you're appealing to. - I mean it's very obvious that like, at least in Japan, and I assume with the rest of the world too, that like the main demographic of TikTok is like teenage boys and girls. - [Connor] Right. - Yeah. - So obviously, what are teenage boys gonna enjoy? - Sorry, (indistinct). - That kinda sleaze fest. - Because I remember like the other trends that I saw in TikTok was, it was like girls who are obviously very confident and you know, trying to... No, what was I gonna say? It was girls that had this audio that played, which was- - It's like we're busing? - No, no, no, no, it was like... (Joey laughing) That one's a good one. - If we had 24 hours of me alone and I couldn't say no, what would you do? And I'm just like-- - The meme are good with one. - And I'm just like, most of the memes I've seen with that, are like parodies of that. - Yeah. - But that just means that there are enough people doing this unironically- - Yeah. - To parodies in the first place, right? - That's why it's been parody so much. 'Cause it is obvious saturated, and it is such it's bay. - It's such sleaze bay, right? - You know, and I... Its this a new coffee? Lets just give this a taste, coffee gate Trash Taste. - Coffee gate! - Coffee gate! - [Man] Trash Taste coffee. - Is it better? - Still tastes funny. (man chuckles) I don't know what's happened. There's something offensive. I know I'm not offended, but I'm like, "Come on, man! Just because I log on the platform, you've gotta show me this shit!" - Yeah. - "At least give me something else to look at, so you can kind of figure me out." - Give a little bit of variance in the content. - I'm like, "Why are you gonna assume what I'm into, man!" Like yeah, "She's beautiful, good for her, I'm glad she's killing it. I'm glad she's got 20 million views every second, good for her. Why did you assume I was into it?" - No, but that's the thing, right? It's like, I wouldn't even be mad if it was just popping up every now and then, right? It's like, yeah, of course, you know, it has to appeal to that demographic, but yeah, I had the exact same experience. When I opened it, it was like 49 out of 50, which just different girls. - I'm not mad, 'cause I don't want to be like headline, "Man gets mad, that woman is dancing..." (Garnt and Joey laughing) - Like that's not it, but also-- - No but like, a little of variance doesn't hurt anyone, right? - [Connor] Yeah, yeah. - It just means like the algorithm hasn't been tailored for you yet. - Exactly, exactly. - [Connor] But that's-- - Just like-- - That's kind of sad that that's what it was. Like if you were a new user in Japan and I assume they know my age and maybe my gender-- - Yeah. - Or it just means like algorithmically- - That's kinda content that works, yeah. - So it's the best apparently. And I'm guessing it's because there's a certain age range and a demographic that the algorithm puts you in- - [Connor and Joey] Yeah. - And they're just like, "This person wants to see this kind of content." - You wanna see horny content, we got you, bro. - And I mean, it's everyone knows sex sells, and it's always been that like that since the beginning of man. - I would very much like my horny separate from my life. - Yeah. (all chuckling) - I like it, when I- - Tell that to the man who likes Hentai on Twitter. - I can look at Hentai, right? And I can just be like," Nice!" But I don't feel anything towards it, but when I'm like, "All right, I'm now gonna jack off." Then I'm like, "All right." - What do you think I'm jacking off to everything I like Twitter? - No, no, no, no! (Joey laughing) But that's what I mean. - I'm just like, I'm scrolling through like. No, I don't know, Yeah, no, but I'm the same, right? It's like, "I don't like all these like Hentai pics on Twitter because I'm feeling horny." I'm just like, "Oh, that's cool art work!" - I think, I don't know really. Why is it... 'Cause when you see Hentai you're like you're unoffended by it. But sometimes you can see someone trying to be sexy and it could be annoying, I don't know. - I think it's the difference between just someone trying to be sexy, and someone who's done put art into it, right? - Yeah. - Because I think the same way except when I see like a fucking amazing cosplayer player, for example. - I love seeing cosplay. - I love seeing great cosplay, even if some of them are like very suggestive. It doesn't matter because someone put work into this, someone did a photo shoot, and it's fucking great, you know? And I feel like that is the difference between just like seeing Hentai or like really sexy cosplayers on your timeline, versus just seeing, I don't know what's it, like sleazebag. I'm just gonna call it that you know. - Yeah, no, I get that, I get that. - I mean, cosplay is amazing and there's plenty of lewd stuff out there that I enjoyed. But that's why I like Twitter. 'Cause you can get like 50 memes and a bunch of lewd stuff all in the same place. - Right, it has variance, right? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Maybe if I used TikTok more and it figured out that I liked some other stuff. - [Joey] I'm sure, yeah. - But I don't know why, I was just kinda like, "Ah, ah." I know on every ad in Japan is like that as well. I don't know if it's Japan, it might be just Japan that's like this, but like every ad I get in Japan as well is like porn or like dating sites. - Like dating sites, yeah. - It is literally like, the number one ad that I get on Twitter is this one website, where you can hire girls to speak to you. - I've seen that one. (Joey chuckles) - And I get it all the time! - Yeah, yeah. - And I'm just like, this is sad that this is like the number one thing! - [Garnt] Yeah. - I mean, that's a whole another thing about loneliness in Japan. - [Garnt and Joey] Yeah. Guys struggling like that. - I genuinely don't even think like, even after it gets tailored, that that will go away. Because I feel it's just the main demographic in Japan-- - How much have you used TikTok? Well I guess you use TikTok more than either of us? - I mean, when I say I'm on TikTok, I'm not really like religiously on TikTok. I just go onto it every now and then when I'm like there's nothing to see on Twitter. But again, it's like, I haven't used it enough that I see a variance of all sorts of content. I'm still at that early stage where I see 49 out of 50 girls dancing. - Yeah, same here. Which is why I found myself watching more YouTube Shorts because it seems, most of them are just recycled TikToks anyway, but I already have a YouTube profile. And so a lot of the content is already tailored to the stuff I've watched on YouTube. And every time I log into TikTok, I don't see a lot of these TikTok trends that have just become viral. Even though everyone seems to be talking about them, I'm just like, "Well, it's not appearing on my timeline." I dunno what my profile is set to-- - I take TikTok trends very lightly-- - Have you seen some of the latest ones. Like, have you seen... - Were about to date this episode, but like. - I remember a month ago, I just wanted to die inside because there was this trend called like devious things or something. - What? - Which was just okay. So devious licks are just people who just went to like bathrooms, and kids would start stealing like the soap dispensers. - Okay. - And then it started off as that. And then, you know how TikTok is, you know the internet is. It starts escalating to the point where people were just full on, like, they're stealing like- - [Connor] Sinks. - Sinks, roadsigns, and there's like people that stole whole vending machines. - Oh my God! - Okay, hold on. How the fuck do you steal a vending machine? - I don't know. - How do you do that? - I mean, you have to pray some of the logistical abilities- - Yeah. - Pertaining stealing. - But at the same time, you're just combating like almost Grand Theft Auto and just putting out on the internet to see. - It was obviously stupid. It was a trend that was widely condemned whenever YouTube under then someone-- - [Joey] Oh yeah, of course. - Made a video condemning it. I mean, it's easy. It's a slam dunk when your YouTube would be like, "Hey guys, stealing, bad." Applause now please. I will take my applause, you know. (Garnt and Joey laughing) - I just can't get over that someone had the balls to steal a vending machine. I don't even think repo men are allowed to do that. - Alright man, all the trees will still get stuck-- - Yeah, that's true. - I'm just more surprised that just people were just stealing and then filming themselves stealing. - Yeah, well people aren't so small. (Garnt laughing) When clout is offered. - Clout is offered. - Clout is value, yeah. (Garnt and Joey laughing) - When clout is on the table, anything goes. - Yeah. - Function like a normal human being or prison time. - Yeah. - Did hear about a couch guy, or the couch guy? - No. - This one's very familiar. - That was the latest trend as well I heard about. - I'm scared to ask what that is. - So it was this girl who basically surprised visited her boyfriend in college. - Right. - [Joey] Yeah. - And she walks in and the guy, her boyfriend is sitting on a couch and he doesn't seem as excited as maybe one would expect. - Okay. - So he acts a little bit awkward, you know? And he then he eventually gets up and hugs her, right? - Okay. - And Twi... I was gonna say Twitter. TikTok takes us like 30 seconds clip and was like, "He's cheating on her." - They literally went like full Netflix documentary, true crime-- - Yeah. - Were internet detecting. - Analyzing the frame by frame. And like, it was insane. It was just like the worst part of the internet. - So was he cheating on her? - No, they said no. But they were like, "Yoh! calm the down." - Yeah. - Big, big facts. Maybe he wasn't just excited. - No, no, exactly. There could be so many ways you could spin this narrative, right? And they're all like, "Literally people just full on projecting their narrative towards this 30 second clip." Like I saw this one TikTok that was just like, the girl release a statement that was like, and she said, "There's nothing more to this clip. I'm friends with all the girls. You don't need to worry about it. I know the girls." And this one woman posted the TikTok being like, "Girl, you don't need to worry. You don't have friends because I've seen friends like them. They're not your friends. Friends should be excited when their friends steps into the room. We've all been in that position." I'm just like-- - Maybe she was just British. - I'm just like, I know right? - If there's anything worse than an internet detective, it's an internet therapist. (Garnt and Joey laughing) Those are the worst. Where it's like, "Let me tell you why your wife's sucks." You say it's great, but it doesn't. Let me tell you why. It's like, "Dude, leave me alone." - [Connor] Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, it was just like, there is no way you can break down this much of a narrative through a 30 second interaction. - No, God no! - [Garnt] Yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, it's the thing about the internet where-- - It's like some Zodiac killer shit. - It is, it literally was. - They found him out though. - I was, have they found him? - Yeah, they found him recently. (all laughing) - They found him, he died, and he left a review for the movie. - Did he? - Yeah. - He left a review for the Zodiac-- - Wait, is this confirmed? - Yeah. - How did they find him? - Ah, there was, oh, I think-- - He died in like 2017 or something. - Yeah. - They quite awhile about. - I can't remember how they found him, there was some scars. I can't remember exactly, it doesn't really matter. They found him basically. And then he left her... I don't care how they found him, I wanted to know what he thought about the movie. (Joey laughing) And he left a review on the IMDB page. - Really? - Yeah. (all laughing) - Did he say it was good or? - I think he didn't like it. (all laughing) I don't know, that's just right kind of funny even though. Makes murder reviews his own movie. I don't know why, I was just like... - Jesus Christ. - Oh, wait, before we move on, I forgot to give you something last week Joey. Me and Sade got a bunch of omiyage for everyone. And I said to Sade, I was gonna give this to you on the podcast, but here's some tea. - I've got some tea. (indistinct) - I gave him to me last week off camera. - [Garnt and Joey] Yeah, yeah. - I'm tryna shield my friendship. (Garnt laughing) - Well, that's perfect 'cause you gave me cookies. Garnt gave me tea, sounds like a perfect combination. - Cookies biscuits. - Biscuits whatever. - No, because do you know what I've realized after like buying omiyage for people from like English omiyage. - [Connor] Oh very cute. - Very cute. - So tea set. - Nice, thanks man. - Yeah, no worries. - Because what I've realized-- - We're friends, we're friends. Guys analyze that click, analyze it all. Analyze that frame by frame. Well, Jowey wasn't excited (indistinct) - Joey wasn't that excited. 'Cause I mean, there's, there's some going on. There's some going on. - He's definitely cheating. - You tell a lie, you choked. But I mean, there is some kind of truth in that, in some aspects I have seen people on Reddit or the comments, super analyzing our reactions to things like what? I can't remember. This there's been a lot though. There's like, oh, wow. It kind of seems really centered today. - Yeah but Redit it's like a free when it comes to that kind of stuff, we just. Say what they want. - It's interesting though. Seeing how people perceive us sometimes and sometimes in a good way, sometimes in a bad way. - That doesn't everyone always say that you always look angry or likes Ty. - Yeah. Everyone was like, oh, I am tired. A lot of the stuff that's. - Yeah. - 'Cause I have to, I wake up early, but you know, yeah. Some people like he's angry and I'm like, no, I'm just, I just tired. - This is resting face. - You'll know if I'm angry. - Yeah. (Connor laughs) - Will you, maybe you're there. (Connor laughs) - I dunno. - I'll storm off. I just won't be here. (Connor laughs) Oh yeah. I (laughs). - Yeah. No, but like, yeah, read it. I've seen some stuff on Reddit where it's like, wow, you got it. Ain't that deep, bro. Like, you didn't have to go to that. - It's difficult because on one aspect, I understand that all they have to go off of ours is our episodes. - [Joey] Yeah. - [Garnt] Yeah. - [Joey] Of course. - [Garnt] Yeah. - And that's all they have to go off. - [Joey] Yeah. - [Garnt] Yeah. - But I wouldn't, by any stretch of the imagination, say that trash taste is reflective of, well, I just said is reflective of who I am, but you miss a lot of nuance. Right? Like it's very easy to generalize who we are, but also as a show. Right. - [Joey] Yeah. - Yeah. So here we are. We do, I won't lie. There's times where I'm like, I'm going to keep this argument going. 'Cause it's great content. - Yeah. - A lot of the times I wouldn't, some of the arguments I get into with Connor or Joey or not arguments I'd get into with a random stranger. - I would just get, I don't, even though I do feel strongly about a lot of things as you guys know very well. I also, in general life just don't give a to argue. - [Garnt] Yeah. - I like arguing in this space with the boys. - I didn't even give a on the shot. (all laughing) (indistinct) - The judges, Joe, just like trash tastes. Like. - I mean, with the guy in the background with the bomb. Just like I don't care. - Sometimes I do like to go to explore other sides of opinions as well. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But it also is like, if it is, sometimes there are controversial opinions. - [Joey] Yeah. - But they are opinions. And then they are sometimes commonly held opinions. And it's one of those things where I would like to play devil's advocate in some situations without having to be like Connor, is that kind of person he's like... - Yeah just to get conversation. (indistinct) - Yeah. - You know, we've always said we don't have to be a circle track. - No, no. - And I always want to be able to talk about topics and say things. - Yeah. - It just makes more far more interesting. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And you know, if anything, I would wish that sometimes people would like not assume exactly our thoughts and opinions on things based off the things that we're. - Supposed to buy Harrys. - Does, are you heading back to the office? Anytime soon. - I'm in the office right now. (all laughing) - Tell him to get back fresh, clean, and all shaven looking business like, and let Harrys help you get. - If you don't know Harrys it's time you do because Harrys was created to be hitting different from other shaving companies, little, little reference, how always cross high quality, long lasting blades and durable weighted handles that make a close, comfortable shave quick. And dare we say enjoy. - Ooh, because Harrys insists that you shouldn't have to choose between a great shave and a fair price. They just give you both refilling blade starts as low as two box. - Even easier. New Harrys customers get their starter set, which includes a five blade razor weighted handle firming gel with Allo and a travel cover. It's a $13 value all for just $3 43. Is that a typo? Typo, that is insane value. And there are a bunch of other products. And now I've actually used, Harrys a bunch myself. When I went to the UK, when I was getting on the plane, I actually saw Harrys in the store and I wanted to buy more. But there's no in Japan, I've actually bought a bunch. - You leach these stocks up on Harrys. - So there's never been a better time to try. Harrys going to Harrys.com/trash to get their starter set for just three bucks. It's 100% satisfaction guarantee. So you've got nothing to lose. Go to harrys.com/trash right now to get its special offer. - That's H A R R Y S.com/trash links down in the description below. Like (indistinct). - Like one thing that I hate about the internet, right? And this is one thing that I actually despise about being an online creator is that if I want to talk bad about something, I always have to preface it before. Right. And we did the study with the thing with like me saying, like, I don't want to see, girls dancing that isn't trying to entice, you know? - [Garnt] Yeah. - [Joey] Yeah, yeah. - I have to then preface that by saying I support sex work. - [Joey] Yeah. - [Garnt] Yeah. - And I think it should just should be a given that that's what's. - (indistinct) think so. - Right. - Yeah. - So that's the way I feel, but it sucks the internet that I have to always preface that, okay, I support this, this, this, but, and I hate that fact that I can't just talk. I have to then be like, go through the checklist. Okay. I want to talk about this stuff. All right, cool. I've got to make sure that everyone knows that I support this, this, this, this, this. And it's like, no, no. - You got a ride on (indistinct) to fine prime. - Just because someone is always gonna assume the worst of you. They're always going to assume the, what you're saying is the worst thing and it's kind of a bad place that they don't agree. - Yeah. - You can't, say anything bad about something that they agree with because they don't want to hear it. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And you know, it's and it's over the internet, especially if it was in person, they put you in a different. - Yeah. - Because that's the biggest thing I've noticed about speaking on line on the incident and speaking to someone person to person you like online, you do have to preface a lot of things because it seems like in person to person, people are more willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. - 100%. - 100%. - Online people aren't willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. A lot of the times. - I think the other problem as well is that on the internet, it's very much a one-way conversation. - Yeah. - So you have to give your entire spiel all in one, go. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Otherwise, if they do reply back to you, then it's not going to be this conversation. It's just going to be like shooting the messenger kind of deal. Right. - Yeah. - And it's like, it sucks that on the internet, common sense. Isn't as common as people make it out. - It's like, when we say bad things about Japan, right? That comes from a place of loving Japan and being here for awhile, we're here for a reason, right? We like, we love this place and we love living here, but it sucks that every time this and this has only happened to Japan and the UK, I never have to say, I love the UK. Only with Japan. Do you have to say, I love Japan, but like, because it has this weird stigma, but there's a lot of topics that you have to do that in the internet. If you want to say anything bad about it, you be like, I love this thing, but. - Yeah. - And if you don't say that before, people are like, (indistinct) you come from a place of hating. - Yeah. - You know and it's so frustrating that that's what it's become, because I feel that there are so many discussions it's so bloated because you have to go through the checklist of all this fucking nonsense. - That is the biggest difference between us talking in a pub and us talking on trash taste, which we have the same kind of conversations. But it's like, you put your, you putting yourself through a buffer. - Yeah. - Like have more safety net of the things you're about to say, whereas I wouldn't need to do that if like, there were no cameras filming. - (laughs) Like putting on the seatbelt, like this 50, like the whole like way, way back with the gambling episode, right? - [Joey] Yeah. - Like I never, ever once thought for a second. And we were doing that episode, right? - [Joey] Yeah. - This is, probably like a quite well-known episode amongst the viewers that you guys were addicted to gambling. - Right. - I know you guys, you're not addicted to gambling, no point in your life. Would I say you? You know, and it was weird how, because we didn't that, 'cause we didn't say because you, even though you guys are playing devil's advocate to me and I was very much, I was very much arguing in Gacha specifically, but there should be more regulation and that it should be like that. And you guys were just playing devil's advocate with me, right? - Yeah. - I know that you guys want to take it to catch it, but it was weird seeing a lot of the comments, just jump to conclusions and being like, they must be addicted to catcher because they don't agree with Connor's opinion. - Yeah. - And it's like, all right, you can, you can, you can be, you can not gamble and not be a gambler, but also think that catcher doesn't need any more. - If you don't specify it, then they think that you're on the very end of the spectrum. You're not allowed to be. - Yeah. - It was just weird. Seeing all the comments, getting so aggressive about it. Like people get like angry about it and it's happened on a few other apps. - Yeah. I mean, I think like it kind of happened quite recently with view isn't it like the trip debates? - Oh my gosh. - I think, I think we, I think the problem with that was that we were arguing like two different things. - And so it was, that was a weird one. - And people, people took me. I was, 'cause I was trying to argue that, you know, you can have driven the matter how much you pay for it or how much is how much the clothes are worth. And you are arguing that, you know, don't support fast fashion and you know, try to, you know, you try to buy things or buy clothes that are more sustainable in different environments. And you care more about quality nowadays. And people took that as wow. Connor and Joey have just like lost their way. - Yeah. People like wow is so privilege. And by most metrics I am privileged. Never. I'm never pretending to be like, I live, like I come from like a really far off, I've never got tended. And everyone's like, you know, it was really weird. That was because at no point in that argument, did I ever argue that that drip had to be expensive clothes? I, my main argument was that the word drip initially came from, you know, when, when you were like the rappers who would wet grip and it was all branded, it had to be branded. You know, that was my argument. And at no point did I ever argue that cheap clothes didn't look good? But for some reason the common section took me arguing that I prefer quality clothes, not looks quality. Like I prefer stuff that lasts longer than that damper support, fast fashion and all that. They were like, oh, well, all these fast fashion, all the high-end ones are using slave labor. Anyway. It's like, well, you're just generalizing it. You're putting them all in the bubble, but I never made that argument. Right. It was, really bizarre. - Didn't you didn't, I guess the issue was that you didn't put that safety net. - I never, and at no point did I say drip has to equal money? And that was the problem, because I didn't say that people assumed that I was thinking that people have to assume, and it wasn't even funny. I said at one point, Joey, he'd you watched it back, Joey joked say, yeah, drip is expensive. You were joking. But Jerry, he was mainly me. Wow. I was like, what is happening? And it was like, the whole comment was like, Connor's privilege is really showing I'm like what? And then like, man, they think with a first-world mindset. And I was thinking that like I was like from a first world country course, I'm going to think I'm trying my best to learn and to expand my horizons and learn more about other countries. But you know, I'm obviously gonna think through a first world perspective. Like that's because that's my world. Right. I don't like, is it wrong of me to have that perspective? I'm now because I. - Feel that's the only. Perspective I'm trying to learn about other things. Right. - But I'm try to learn (indistinct) - But in the case with that argument, it's very difficult to bring in a different perspective. Right. Without a making no sense. - I mean, I think the argument is that, you know, yes. Do you support sustainable fashion, but a lot of people from third world countries con you know, being able to sustain, being able to support sustainable fashion is in itself a privilege because other people can't do that. And you know, some people will do at the moment have no choice, but to buy cheap fashion because they can hardly. - Well can never hold it against anyone. You know, when I was buying those, I mentioned like, when I was buying the suit, that was like 30 pounds. Right? - Yeah. - That was because that was all I could afford. - Yeah. - Right. I didn't get, there was no other option. I couldn't even like entertain the idea of getting a suit that costs 100. But obviously when you're doing better and you have more income, I do think it's more of a responsible thing to do to try and buy things more ethically. - Right. In that episode, you'd never once said, yeah. (indistinct) - I remember seeing this other argument of like, well, they just overpriced the clothes, et cetera, et cetera. And I, yeah. Sometimes they do do that, but also, it's, I've had this debate coming from, you know, doing voice acting a lot, which is a job that takes one hour most of the time. - Yeah. - And you get, you can get paid like $10,000. - Yeah. - Most people would think that's, we'd argue, that's absurd. You should never get paid that much for one hour of work. But it's what goes into being able to do it in one hour. The reason why I could do that in one hour is because I'm trained and I can do the job professionally. I know how to use the equipment. I know how to do everything in a way where you couldn't just take someone, you get the quality of sound, right. You get, somebody who can do the quality that you want within one hour in a professional way. And it's the same way with close to me. Like, if I want a suit, if I am in a good enough position to be able to afford a suit, that is a nice suit and I can get it made for me specifically. Right. And get it. 'Cause I got it. I have the problem though, that I have short legs, massive. So pants don't scale like that. They scale wide and down I, the pants I have to get like fitted because my, just (indistinct) so like that was always a challenge. Right. I always had jeans that were either too short or too tight. Right. And I still have that problem because you can't get tailor, fit jeans, they probably can't, but it's a real easy to get fitted. - Yeah. - So I think as well, like, so if you were to get, like, let's say you go to a tailor, right. You're paying a tailor who knows how to do it. Well, he's done this for like 20 years. He's experienced his whole life. He can promise you that he'll do a good deal. It's worth the extra money. If you have the money and you know, you can support a local business if it was one. Right. I think if you, again, this is only if you have the luxury, like it's, it's certainly a privilege you want to do that. And I would never, ever get anyone's case for not doing that. - I mean... If you gotta, you gotta do what you gotta do to survive. Right. Everyone else. - I think it's like, what I don't understand is the criticism towards like how you spend your own hard earned money. It's like, it's like, I earned that money myself. I'll do with that money. However, I please. - That's a good point as well. Like. - Taking care of my finances. It's like, why you care. - You can't listen. The only, the only questionable decision I make is my Jojo collection. Right? That's the, I'll give you props for that. But everything. I'm pretty. I compare us to other YouTubers. I think we're pretty normal. Whereas you have a Lambo garden when I rent a car, you know what, like, you know what car I rent a Toyota Yaris. (all laughing) I love the Toyota guy. It is on my couch on that car is fantastic. It's perfect size. It's not too big. - We don't. We don't even own cars. (all laughing) (indistinct) (all laughing) - I take the train everyday. - It's I hate this thing where people are like, they judge us for what we're fucking doing with our lives. And it's like, bro, just like, I don't come to your house and be like really hot pockets cringe, bro. - [Joey] Yeah. - [Garnt] Yeah. - We got cheese puffs. Like, no, what? Like what is this? - Yeah. 'Cause, like you're going back to what you were saying about getting paid for like doing an hour of voice. It getting paid like a certain amount that voice actors do get paid. And I give this example to like every artist, right. Or every, anyone working in that kind of field, which is you go to you, then you have to ask the client then. Okay. So would you rather pay the same amount for me to do this work in five hours or in 10 hours to get the same amount of work? And if they say yeah or no, then you can say that. Okay. So I'm being punished for, do my job well efficiently in this time period. So you'd rather pay someone else to do the same work for more time. Even though you're paying them for like, you're paying for the same amount of work, but you're paying them to do it less efficiently than you. - [Connor] Yeah. - [Joey] Yeah. - But like the perception is that because you're doing it this well, you're giving them the same amount of work for a shorter period of time. - [Connor] Yeah. - That you're charging that much. And that's just how the industry is. You know, you're not just paying for hours, worked in. - Yeah. - You're paying for skill as well. And skill is part of the pricing that you pay. - Yeah absolutely. - And also, when it's these big advertising companies, in what realm is it fair for your voice? Be plastered over same. McDonald's all over the country. - Yeah. - Yeah. Its a branding issue. - You got a brand like, it's a using your voice. So you have a certain right to, to sell that what it's worth. Right? - Yeah. - Exactly. There's a lot of jobs like that. Like, you know, like the art, like art design, graphic design, anything, it's, if it's, if it's although like stuff like voice acting, I 100% admit, like it seems very easy from the outside, but to be able to do it consistently and perform what the person wants and be able to adjust and be able to do it all professionally, it's very difficult. - And to be able to do it over and over (indistinct). Build the reputation. - You've got a long way to go, man. There's people who are much better than me who can do it, but you know, at the end of the day, you want to make sure everyone's getting the right. Right. - Yeah. - It's yeah. It's, one of those tough decisions. Money is always one of those topics that is so polarizing, depending on what's going on, where you're from and your, just your opinions on it. Like, I've had people close to me who have been like very critical of me earning money, doing what I do. - [Joey] Yeah. - And they they've been like, well, I do X thing. Like I do X thing. That's more contributing to society. So I don't think it's right. That, you would get paid more than me. And that whole argument. I absolutely despise as well. - Because it's like, what can you say to that? That will get them to understand, right? - Yeah. It's like, if you work in like medicine or something and you firmly believe that you are doing something more important, I would argue, you want to accept more important than you are, but that's just business. That's how it is. - That's how it was. We don't make a virus. (Joey chuckles) - I think there are jobs that are far more important than the jobs that we have now. - Absolutely. - The fact that teachers get paid, what they do, I think is. - Fucking atrious. - Absolutely. - And I think they should like get much better pay. - Yeah. - But it's also like, you got to do what you got to do, make your own bag. You know what I mean? Like the world doesn't do any favors (indistinct). - That's not something we can do (indistinct). - I will advocate for it for change. And I will do what I can from my position. But also bro, this economy's right. (all laughing) You don't, it's bad, but it's like, what the that you trooper can afford a house. (all laughing) (indistinct) where like now being wealthy as you can afford a house. - Yeah. - Exactly. - Like I'm trying to secure my future because I don't know how long this job last. - Exactly. - Like I've tried to do well while I can, I would never criticize anyone who is trying to do what they need to do to succeed in life. - Yeah. - Yeah. - If you're not fucking over somebody do what you need to do. Like as long as you're not actively hurting or ruining someone's life, you do what you gotta do to get by and you do what you need to do, man. - Yeah. - I firmly believe that whatever you want to do, don't hurt anyone. Go, for it. - No, it could be. 'Cause I think one thing that's one aspect of our job, which of the, which we wouldn't have as like a normal office worker for example, is job security. - [Connor] Yeah. - If you want to get in this field and you want job security, I think we have negative job security. (all laughing) - Like how hard it is to like, you apply for like credit cards or anything long term financing. - [Garnt] Yeah. - [Joey] yeah. - I want to know what your annual income that is literally impossible to give a number as a YouTube. - Yeah. It's like (indistinct). - All right. So I'm not going to be honest with you. It could be like one K or it could be 20 K or 100 K. So basically the whole spectrum of money. - It's hard to go to a banker and go, well I think the next video might do really well. (all laughing) I'm thinking maybe like this much. - It must be like the banks when they first met YouTubers, they must have thought they were like horse gambling. (Joey and Garnt laughing) - Yeah. There were definitely like money laundering. (indistinct) This is like, this is what we think like NFTs are now you hunt. You own. How much has YouTube? No, no. (indistinct) touching that. - Some money just comes in (Joey laughs) when you don't buy or sell anything? - So it's true? - What do you, so Sue, who pays you? I remember the first time, like having to answer that question, like when applying for like our visas and stuff like that, and I'm having to explain who pays us, I'm just like, well Google, so. (Joey laughs) And so like you set an appointment for Google you're employee of Google. You're like. - [All] No. (indistinct) - Yeah. - Yeah. And then we have this thing called patriarchy where people pay us to exist. - So you are employed to patrons? Like. - [All] No. (all laughing) - [Connor] Yeah. - It's like every, every like red flag is being ticked. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Like, when you're a doctor, right? You, your job is secure. - [Joey] Oh yeah. - Yeah. Unless you got around killing people, you're pretty good. Like you, it would be rough not to be employed. - I just realized how on paper? Like how similar we must look to like a drug dealer, (Joey laughs) Michaelson laundering money. If you, go to the checklist, so you get money put into your account. - I swear. When I have to talk to your accountants, man, it's the most stressful thing because that just like I can see on the zoom calls the look on their face while I'm telling them what I'm doing. (Joey laughs) Just like, okay. - I find, it hilarious. It's the situation of a drug deal, going to a bank to get along. (Garnt laughs) It's like, so do you, so you sell drugs. Do you work for the pharmacy? (indistinct) - Oh, I haven't got the drugs yet. So this is kind of like collateral. - Yeah. (Garnt and Joey laughs) - Drug dealers. What'd you do? I'm a YouTube. (all laughing) - I provide us (indistinct). - I guess it's a timely topic. Well, not timely. I still be like three weeks late, but that the whole Twitch thing as well, right? The earnings. - Oh yeah. - Yeah. - People finding out how much credit is make, what, was your number, Jerry? - I don't even. (indistinct) - I was like probably 20,000 or something. I don't know. - So when you're in top 10,000 ducks, both league. - Hell yeah, let's go. - This is why I'm a man of the color. I am the man. I am the man of the people I recommend. I represent the common folk. (all laughing) - He's doing God's work right here. - This man. (all laughing) (indistinct) (Joey laughs) - I hope, all YouTubes is get leaked before the next, (Garnt laughs) this age is poorly forgotten. (all laughing) God that was funny. It was seeing it. It was funny seeing the reaction. 'Cause you know, as somebody who's been doing this. - Yeah. - I was not surprised I've seen these numbers. - No. Absolutely not. - And also I try to tell, I always try to explain to people, the reason why let's say X QC is earning 7 million and getting all this absurd amounts of money. What it seems like absurd is that, you know that if the number one person in music is making billions TV is making millions, right? - Yeah. - The number one at anything is making tons of models. - Of course. - Yeah. - If you're on the top, a hundred of something in the world, you're probably making a lot of money. - I mean. - Yeah. - If someone was bothered to leak it, you have a suspicion that it might be a lot of money (laughs). - And also... - There's no point leaking something with the number one sport is making like 15. - If for this to exist, right. For the system to exist where let's say that creator, you watch who is making 100 viewers. - [Garnt] Yeah. - Which is all of us at one time. Right. - [Joey] Yeah. - We were all at that one channel. I distinctly remember for a year or two, right. I only got like 40 to 100 views on Twitch, which I was very happy with. - [Garnt] Yeah. - [Joey] Absolutely. - For that person to go, to make income and somewhat support themselves that has to be posted at the top. Who's proportionally making a lot more, depending on the audience size, right? - [Garnt] Of course. - It's a system that works. Is it, super fair that some people make fucking 100s of millions? (laughs) It's up to you. - [Garnt] Yeah. - I mean, what I will say is that those, from what I saw, there is a lot more money on YouTube as opposed to Twitch what it seems. - So the amount of work you do as well, especially. - Yeah. I mean the YouTube, like the top 100 YouTube as a party making a lot more than the top 100 Twitch streamers. - [Joey] I think so. - [Garnt] Yeah. - From what I understand. - [Garnt] Yeah. - [Joey] yeah. - How it works. - I think so as well. - (indistinct) Mr. Beach, there's no risk to beast on Twitch (all laughing) (indistinct) and all the ones that are on Twitch that involve money in gambling are extremely sketchy. - Yeah. - Very, very sketchy. - Definitely. - And that's a whole nother thing. The whole gambling side of Twitch is. - Yeah. That's a (indistinct). - I mean, you should have inherently is a massive platform, much bigger than Twitter. - It is much bigger than Twitch. - Like some of these channels that are uploading, I, God knows how much Dom man's making. - [Garnt] Yeah. - I'm sure he makes (indistinct) revenue in one day. (clears throat) - Yeah. - It was from sponsors, right? Like it's totally crazy and we, I am still shocked that people are like top influencers earn how much, when there are some of them that are going around in private jets, Lamborghinis, all this stuff. Right. - [Joey] Yeah. - It's you know, I wish I was I've wished that was me. - I mean (indistinct). - I'd love to buy my whole, all of Wales, (Garnt laughs) the GDP of Wales. I'd love to reinvigorate the economy. - I mean, I'll be surprised how much Hollywood movie actors make or how much, some of the top music artists make? (indistinct) Yeah. And then like, and then like, this is like a new entertainment platform. Of course, top creators are going to be making millions. You know, we're not at the billion stage yet because we're not as big as the other end statement industries, but these are what the top creators are making. And that's just, we are just like a baby mode of the entertainment industry, of like the rest of the end establishing the industry (indistinct). - I'm sure when like massive Hollywood actors with posts, starting to make these like massive loads of money and that got found out, I'm sure the general public was like, wait, these actors make how much money. - Maybe, maybe. - Exactly. I feel the exact same thing. It's like, it's such a new thing now. And it's also just so unprecedented because it's so different to anything that you see on like TV or radio or anything like that. - This just three guys trying to justify their income, the conversation. (all laughing) - And I'm like, what? The Twitch thing. It's like it's most of it's public anyway. - Yeah. That, was what it was especially with, which thing is that most content creators, sub account is public and this income was somewhat known or close to now. - Right. - yeah. - You could easily have like kind of guessed you would have been. Right. So it's like quite odd. - Why is it a surprise? - I think that people that I think a lot of content creditors were like a couple of people are still surprised about it. I think the people that were surprised about it were people who weren't involved in Twitch or weren't touching it at all. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And so we were being like, I'm going to be a Twitch stream. I'm like, yeah. Good luck. (all laughing) That, is harder than YouTube. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Twitch is hard. Right? - Yeah, yeah. - And it's, the search algorithms aren't nearly as optimized as YouTube or TikTok or something. - Well, I mean, it's, it just shows that, there is, this is a growing industry right now. Like this is, it's weird seeing how YouTube and Twitch have evolved as time has gone on and seeing it go grow. I think that's where the different lies and where they get their perspective from, which was the difference between say Twitch, streamers and YouTubers versus Hollywood celebrities or big music artists is that, we, a lot of us started off in that exact same position as everyone else, it is an equal playing field. So we don't get, we didn't have to go through these auditions or, go get signed by this massive music label or anything like that. We grew organically buyers by ourselves. - Yeah. - [Connor} Yeah. - I think it's just the shock that someone who went through that avenue is able to earn that much. - True. - Right. - But it's, also like, I think what a lot of people don't like to give credit to is that a lot of creators who are earning that much now, right. At some point or another, they were where they were working full-time hours on top of whatever else they were doing on something that wasn't paying them. - Yeah. But that's the things. - For years. - Yeah. I feel like Twitch stream is again, is like a lot like YouTube as well. Like the biggest difference is that I think a lot of people see them more as like this person that's on the same level where I was like a little more portable. - [Connor] Yeah. - It's just like the dude across the road type of guy. Whereas like, no one views. (indistinct) - Bone, a billion dollars, and people would be like, "Oh Connor." - That's just Connor being Connor. (Connor laughs) - With that, it'd be like, oh my God, it's just different. Right. - [Garnt] Yeah. - Then there's this weird kind of dichotomy of how they expect the standards of traditional celebrities to influences and stuff. And I've got, was going to say it was because something else got you put up a second salary. I'm fucking dumb. (Garnt laughs) - Wait, what? - I was going to say something after Joey's point. And I totally forgot it. - What was Joey's point again. - My point was that Twitch stream is on YouTube as a scene a lot more as like, just like a friend, like, one more possible, not this person in the clouds, like a little like Hollywood act as though. - 'Cause you know, when you first start making money on YouTube, it's exciting. - [Garnt] Yeah. - [Joey] yeah. - Right? YouTube is on my car. I 100 bucks. It crazy. - Yeah. - It's insane. And then you're really proud because you're like, "Oh my God, I can get paid for doing this thing that I love." - [Garnt] Yeah. - [Joey] Yeah. - And then for the first two years I was making enough to maybe buy myself a movie ticket $10,000 (all laughing) the first year, I think I only made like $500 from it. - Yeah. - Second year, probably like $5,000. Still not enough to live off, but I was like, whoa, it looks like exciting. All right. And then it goes off and it scales up and that's when I think you start to feel bad about how much money you're making. Right. - [Garnt] Yeah. - [Joey] Yeah. - Do you ever get like imposter syndrome about it? - Of course. (indistinct) - I think most YouTubes. (indistinct) - Yeah. - Yeah. - Get imposter syndrome. - The reason why a lot of YouTubers don't want to talk about that money is because a lot of them feel bad. - [Joey] Yeah. (Connor chuckles) - I think, I don't think they should write. I wish we lived in a system where no one gave a about money and people could just be more honest about it and that people could 'cause then I think that would make us. - Which thing came out because now. (Joey laughs) - Yeah. - People like wearing the earnings with, on their badge. - Well, 'cause I think that it makes a better atmosphere for everyone to be able to negotiate for better like pay in their job. - [Joey] Yeah, yeah. - You know, there's like in traditional jobs there's sometimes even though they're not allowed to ask you to do this, that the bosses will be like, don't talk about how much money you're making, but you're allowed to, but people don't because they're scared and they don't want... - They don't wanna be judged. - But if you're doing the exact same thing as your colleague, whether it be on Twitch or on the same job, you should be able to argue that you should be valued the same way they are. - [Garnt] Yeah. - And it's one of those things where, when I meet other content creators in private, I'll ask them like, how much did you get for the sponsorship deal? - [Joey] Yeah. - And I'll be like, what'd you get? 'Cause I want to make sure you didn't get over because I know how much it should we get it. - Because like speaking from people in the people in industry, nobody teaches each other. And one of the stupidest things that a lot of content creators, don't talk to each other about this, even though the more content creators you talk to, the more you realize, oh, a lot of people are getting fucked. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Because they've never talked to any other content creator about this right? - Yeah. - Tight taking deals that like, for example, like I took a deal for a sponsor on a video. This is when I was getting around about an average 50,000 to 100,000 views. I took a sponsorship for $100. - What? - And the video got half a million views. That's not, worth it by the way, something a video. Let's say when you're about, if you have 50,000 to 100,000 average views, you should probably be getting a ball about maybe 2000 to $4,000. - It's 20 to 50 times, 2000 (indistinct). - Which sounds like a lot. I know that sounds like a lot to a lot of people, but this is advertising space, right? - [Garnt] Yeah. - This is eyeballs that you're getting. So you have to think of it like that. So you can naturally. - I guess that's where our knowledge comes in (indistinct). Right? - Where it's, not like that's not a set number because it all depends on the client. - Yeah. - It all depends on the product you're promoting. Some clients in certain spaces are willing to sell you like this spot for a higher price. - [Connor] Yeah. - Some aren't it's. (indistinct) Yeah. It's really comes down to experience. But if you're a content creator, you should really be talking to other content creators. If you have no idea what to charge a client. - Yeah. - Exactly. - If you have no idea, then I've I've liked. 'Cause here's the thing I've searched up. I've searched up like before, like YouTube of like how much you should be charging certain clients. And unlike all the YouTubers I've seen, who have said how much you should be charging have got the, I've got the number wrong. - [Connor] Yeah. - [Joey] Yeah. - And that's because a lot of them aren't big creators, you know? (Garnt laughs) - Yeah. - And like the numbers, really depend on where you are on YouTube and it really comes down to experience. And what your other, what other people are doing in your fields, which really depends on how much you can charge. Right. - Yeah. - Yeah. - So I feel like talking to you guys about it before we are now able to charge more because we realized that we all get charged different prices. For certain... - Mean, it's also not just about like the sub count and like view counts, stuff like that. So I feel a lot of it, especially nowadays that like companies are looking for forwards, like branding Powell. - Yeah. - Like you could have the two channels could have the exact same number of sobs and views, but one could be a stronger brand and that in and of itself. Right? Yeah. And it depends on like the audience and the demographics. So there's so many components that go into it. It's not just like a bare bones. Like I get this many views on average, therefore I should be getting this amount of money. - [Connor] Yeah. - Like it's completely case-by-case and lunch. - Which is like, my general advice to anyone who is independent and not even a YouTube, but an artist, right. We've had to learn what our value is. That's the biggest thing. - Oh yeah. - You have to, like, you have to know what your value is. - Not be ashamed to say it. - And not be ashamed to say it. - Whether they ask how much it costs. (Connor chuckles) - - When it comes to negotiations with a company or with a fellow client, you can't be ashamed to big up your value because you are bringing something for them. Right? You are, bringing something to the table and you need to articles about it. - Nothing hurts me more than seeing an artist on the selling themselves. - So much. It hurts so much. (indistinct) - Like, I always make sure, like, if I'm working with an artist, I'm like, you sure you want that? Like, I can give you more. I think you're worth a little bit more than that. You, gotta have a little bit of confidence in yourself, but you can't be scared to like, obviously you can't like ask for an egregious amount at, at a small price, but you know, there is a limit that you can go. - [Connor] Yeah. - And it's okay to step over that limit even slightly just to get your name out there. - Yeah. - [Connor] Yeah. - If you really believe in your work, but yeah, just, oh my God, I've seen so many artists just be like, yeah, I'll give you like this amount. And it's like a 10th of what I was envisioning is like, I don't know if you want to do that (laughs) to like, be a little more confident in yourself. You know. - This episode is sponsored by honey. - We all shop online and we've all seen that promo code field towards us at the checkout. But thanks to honey manually searching for coupon codes is a thing of the past. - [Connor] It's funny as the free browser extension to the scouting instead promo codes and applies the best one. 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So my like whenever someone comes to me and ask me for advice about how to make YouTube a job, I, the first thing I ask them is, do you have the time to take a year off in your life without getting paid and working at night, like working harder than a nine to five job because that's like, that's the minimum sacrifice you will have to do nowadays too, unless you're like super, super lucky to do YouTube. And even if you do that, you might not even get popular. You might, it might not even come to fruition. So are you willing attempt to make that sacrifice in your life for a chance to have this as a job, which is why, like, I feel very lucky to have this position. - Yeah. Likewise. - But you know, I did. I do, you know, I do know that I, there was some portion of luck within my career path, but also everyone I've met, including all three of us worked super hard as well. We went through a point where we were working harder than the nine to five job without getting paid or being paid like less than minimum wage to get where we are. And we did that for about a year. And I feel like, I feel like a lot of people who are maybe older who are more established to be like, I got a nine to five job. I can't really take a year out in my life. That's why a lot of YouTubers, you see a start off in like college or in high school when you do have that time. And all I can say to that is I'm, you know, I'm sorry. That's just the way it works. - Yeah. - You can't like, it's not a company, YouTube. Isn't like YouTube. You're not a paid salary, man. You know? It's. - Yeah. I mean, like, as an example, it's like, you know, like Mr. Bass, like Jimmy was barely got any views for like the first, like six, seven years of his career. - Yeah. - And then all of a sudden he's he's at where he's at now. Right? But like, I think what a lot of people forget is that he didn't just come out of nowhere. He didn't just make a video and it immediately, get them 50 million solves. Right? It's like he worked for that shit. - It takes a very long time. - Yeah. - And that's the thing that everyone wants to gloss over. And that's not me just trying to justify why people should make 50 million dollars a year, but it's just, you should, you can't criticize it without first understanding that and appreciating that it does sometimes take a ton of work. And the one thing that people love to forget is that life is not fair. (Garnt laughs) (indistinct) - Right now. - Could, you could put just as many hours, if not more hours into playing guitar or something and nothing could come of it. I always. - Think of the 100s and 1000s of guitars (indistinct). - Right. It's like, you also have to, like, I think one thing that is kind of oversold in life is that if you put X of hours into something, it'll just work out. - Yeah. - And it's not always that simple. - And it's not always that simple. - You know if you're getting into something that is extremely popular worldwide. - [Joey] Yeah. - It's going to be way harder than if you're, for example, making anime videos on a website called YouTube in 2015. - [Joey] Yeah. (Connor chuckles) - [Garnt] I mean... - I it's differences in scale of what you're trying to compete. You know, I'm sure everyone on will everyone in the world started doing the type of content that we were doing. I think we'd be out of a job pretty soon. 'Cause no doubt. There'll be other people who are better than us that would happen, but that's not, but not everybody's doing it. - Yeah. - I feel that's why it's called a dream job for or a reason. Right? - I mean like I did take a massive risk with my career choices, because back then when I had a steady paid job, I had a career path I could pursue and I liked. - Where did you work a gain. - I worked at the BBC. Did she know that? - She. (Garnt laughs) - And to bring it back. - And the timestamps it'd be like justifying or privileges (all laughing) this a section of the. - No, because yeah, I did sacrifice that a proven career path for an industry that was not proven that an industry that didn't exist back then, that I, that wasn't proven where I could do this more than a year or two. And I took a risk that it was going to turn out to something. And I was lucky enough that it did turn out. You know, nowadays it's a different ball game. You know, I took that risk with my career path. If you want to be a YouTube or Twitch streamer, you have to take a different risk. And it's a different risk, but the risk to reward is like the rewards are there to be seen. And that's why people will take risks to get that reward. - The one lucky thing about YouTube and twitches that you can do in your downtime, you can put a little bit of effort here and there, see some results, see that there's a demand for it and then dedicate more time to it. That is one good thing about it. Like, you know, yes, you're going to be at a disadvantage. If you are working like God said, and you are 30 plus, and you've got a life that you need to maintain. - [Garnt] Yeah. - But it's not impossible. Like there is, there are some ways there are cases where it has worked out again. - Yeah. - It's just harder and the playing field isn't level, but it never is. - [Joey] Yeah. - You know, I'm sure that if you let's say you just had a friend who was a big YouTube, you're already at a massive advantage because they can help you out. - [Joey] Oh yeah. - Or you have a family history of using cameras or editing, like there's all kinds of variations of advantages, but that's life. I feel that can apply with any job, anything in life (laughs). - Yeah. I think I can play with any job right? - (indistinct), but I guess because we're somewhat public figures, so it's a lot more. - I would say every career path has their own obstacles. - Of course. - Especially like, for example, if I will take engineering, for example, it's actually not advantageous to you to do like, to do a good job in your company and stay in that company. Because like the raises you get are better. If you move companies and you're constantly moving companies. - True. - Right. And that, I don't think that should be right, because I think you should be. I think every employee should be rewarded for doing a good job at that company. But the sad reality of it is, is that a lot of the times in a lot of career paths, you can get a much better raised by changing companies. And then moving back to the original company. And you're thinking like, why can't I just, why can't the original company just see me for my worth to begin with? It's like Twitch stream is moving to YouTube. (all laughing) - That's true. (indistinct) (all laughing) All right. It's free privileged individuals, the fiber, you know what? The one thing, the one comment that I actually, I know I'm just, I'm inviting this comment now you've changed. (all laughing) - I like the old blank better. - And it's like, are you saying that I should, I would be the same person I am at 20 years old that I am now because you're insane. How about if you think that I should be the same post I post, I'm gonna change. If I didn't do YouTube, I would still change. (Joey laughs) It would change regardless. I'm becoming more miserable. (indistinct), you change. Right. - Yeah. - And when people comment saying like, oh, they've changed. You know, they're different from them. Like, yes, of course, as you should, you should become more confident as you get older. - I wouldn't be worried. I wouldn't be worried if you didn't change. - Right. You should mature. You should change your opinion. You should act differently. That's called life. If you're not doing that, what are you doing? - [Joey] Yeah. - What are you, why aren't you changing? Why aren't you improving yourself? And... - Exactly. - I, but then I guess that's. - That's the thing. - It's proving. (indistinct) Becoming more gluttonous, more wealthy. - Yeah. - He's changed since he got his Audi Ben he's got. (indistinct) (all laughing) - Spending money on drip now instead of going to primer, how dare he. (all laughing) - It all changed when Connor got this pumpkin spice latte, Starbucks for the first time. (all laughing) you have change. (all laughing) - That one trip to Los Angeles changed everything. - I changed my mind. (Garnt and Joey laughing) I'm not going to be broke anymore. (all laughinga) - No, but I mean, I agree you should, or you should always be changing. You know, I think there is a difference between changing and, becoming a bit snobby a bit. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Because you know, like I still can't stand. What can I say? I still can't stand flex culture. - Yeah. Well, it's weird, isn't it? Because you want to be able to celebrate and support the people who have really worked hard and have done great stuff. And I've made some good content and, and you know, I, I want to see them do well, but then I guess there's a very fine line, especially for audiences. - [Joey] Yeah. - What is considered flexing and then what is, I'm not going to go around and be like, oh, this is what I bought and I'm killing it. You know, all my investments are doing well. (all laughing) - Well, he's just like full on a video being like, so here's how my stocks doing this month. (all laughing) - It's a doge coin. As you can see. - I got into stocks when everyone got into stocks in the red for a very long time. (all laughing) So there's no flexing for me. And. - But it is a fine line between like, what is flexing and what is just being proud of your accomplishments. All right. - Yeah. - It's like, what is the, how, when does it change. - Ah, it's hard, isn't it? - Yeah. - Because you don't want to be like, yeah, I'm doing well. But you also, 'cause some people perceive that as you've changed. - Right. So it's like, what do you do not want me to like show you my achievements or. - Okay. So people will, people support small craters and then they also turn on them when they're, when they find out they're doing well sometimes. - Yeah. - Yeah. It's the underground band going three years. - Yeah. - Just in a different field, they've changed everything ever since they were successfully signed by the music label, (Joey laughs) don't like their music anymore talking about different things. I liked them before they became an animator of mini. - And I don't get annoyed if someone prefers all the content of mine or they prefer because the style has changed. - [Joey] Yeah. - Right. And I understand that when you change your style, not every style is for everyone. And I don't get annoyed and people are like, I prefer the old videos. I'm like, all right, that's fair enough. I get it. - Like, it's your taste. All right. Yeah. - But I'm not going to change it. 'Cause that's not what I want to do. - Yeah. I mean, I still get comments that are still like, I miss the anime zone. Well, when are you going to bring back the anime zone reviews? And I'm just like, dude, I killed off reviews for like a reason. Okay. Yes. I have changed in that sense. I'm not doing enemies. I'm not doing enemies zone reviews anymore. - And people still ask me for my let's play. I'm like. - But then I also get annoyed at content creators that like wine at that audience, all the time, they're like, oh, why are you complaining? You don't let the new videos. It's like, well, you need to go out your way and make something it's different. You can't expect your audience to just follow suit. And like, it's up to you. - Sometimes you just have to be like, just screw up the audience things. If this is what makes you happy. You do that content? - I hate YouTube. Is that sit there and make videos, whining that they're not doing well. I'm like, go over it. It's you, if you change something or you're doing, you're not making like stuff that is keeping up with the times that's on you. I believe. - Yeah. - Yeah. That, is part of the job that you signed up for. - Yeah. - Exactly. - You should know this, you know. - And if you're a doctor, you have to keep learning the new medical practices. You can't, go doing shit (Joey laughs) like the 1960s. - Oh you a COVID here's some leeches. - You can't do that. There's differences. There's regulations and you're forced to do it, but God. Imagine if there wasn't people would never update their thing. - [Garnt] Yeah. - And then a reason why they do it is because it's to the detriment of anyone else around us. - [Joey] Yeah. - The problem is with YouTube, it's not to the detriment of anyone else. If a content creator falls off, there are tons more, you know what I mean? - Yeah I know. - It is up to you to make sure that you are making stuff. - You are up to date. - When my channel falls off, there can be plenty of curb, your enthusiasm memes of this section of the podcast, you know? - Yeah. - Yeah. - And I'll, you know, it's, if I stop trying to change, that's on me. If I don't want to do that anymore. I understand that. - Favorite comments I get though, is like, it's not even the you've changed all the, I liked the old content better. It's the youthful and off. - Yeah. - You're irrelevant - You're irrelevant now. And I'm like, what? Because you Postly, don't like myself now I'm suddenly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. It's like. - Yeah. I mean, yeah. There's people who are not going to like what (indistinct). - And that's fine. I'm going to try to appeal to everybody. Like if you don't like it, that's cool, dude. There are literally thousands of content crazy. You could go and watch. - Yeah. It's not strange. It's strange. I don't really know. What's your opinion gone. Tell me your opinion. - My opinion on changing. (all laughing) - The. You want to opinion on trash tastes. (indistinct) (all laughing) I don't know. - No. I mean like for me, like changing is part of our job. - Yeah. And life, I think you should change as a push it. - [Joey] Yeah, absolutely. - When I go back and see my friends from school, if they're exactly the same as they were in school, I'm like... - That's a red flag. - Why? - Yeah. - But some people don't change. Did you notice that? - I did. And I don't give a if they haven't that's on them. It's I think it's like, oh, that's odd. Like nothing has changed your point of view in life in five years. Like nothing has made you think different. Not none of your experiences have changed who you are. Okay. Fair enough. But then I don't want them to be like, oh, you've changed. It's like. - Yes, I have. - Get over it (chuckles). - Well, you, of course I've changed. I moved to a foreign country and I have no idea what's going on off the time. And I barely know how to communicate with my taxi driver. I've changed. - Yeah. - I'm fighting for my life, man (laughs). - Yeah. Exactly. - No, because I feel like that just says a lot of us about us as people, because I'm constantly looking for change. I'm like. - Same. - I'm like uncomfortable when things stay the same for too long. And I think that's why I. - Get scared when start to get not right. - Which is kind of makes YouTube my perfect job, because I never want to stay still. I'm constantly wanting to change. - I like my boss. - Not just like being in Korea, but in like my own life. Like I, that's why I've moved countries so many times. I still don't know why I want to settle down yet because I'm like scared to like stay in one place for too long. You know? I just like, do you know, that's just me as a person. - Yeah. - I constantly like changing my life. And I'm not saying if you are the type of person who doesn't change and stays comfortable in one place, there's nothing inherently wrong with them. But all I ask is you don't judge us for changing. - For changing (laughs). - Changing as well. - [Connor] Yeah. - And you know, there are some people in some people who I was mates with back in the day that I have less than common with now. And that's just part of me having to accept that I have changed and we have less in common with. (indistinct) - We're going to push our values on you guys. So, you know, just don't (indistinct). (Garnt laughs) - [Connor] Sure. - Except for drip by drip. You should buy drip. (all laughing) - But I'll give my opinion. You don't have to take it. - Absolutely. - I'm on very Brashard lipid. And I know that, yeah. - I'm not going to cry over you. Not agreeing with me. (Joey laughs) - I could get annoyed at people. Completely misinterpret what I'm saying. That doesn't sound like, how did the did you get that? Like. - You're standing in a completely different argument that. - I need a toilet quickly go pitch yourself. - Speaking of going to your hometown and see if people have changed. Right. I do have a funny story about someone who I met in my university town that has definitely changed in a way that I didn't imagine. - Okay. - Okay. So what happened is I went to see someone mates who are living in Bristol right now, which was by my city where I went to university. I went to university of Bristol. And so we were at this club, right? And we meet, a guy there and this guy who I wasn't very close to him in university, but a word on the street was he was the type of guy who, if you needed certain substances, that was the guy to call. Right. Okay. And so, I'm just having a casual chat and he asked me what I'm doing. And I was like, oh, I start talking about Japan. I saw it, start talking about being a YouTuber, living in Japan and stuff like that. And he goes, "Oh, I do something about Japan now." And I'm like, what the do you do now? What, is this person? So like to, to preface, this is a guy who applied to love islands once. Right? (Joey laughs) He's not the kind of guy who I would expect has any interest in a male in Japan at all. Right. - Yeah. - And he goes, oh yeah. Like, I deal in ideal Pokemon cards. Now. I was like, off. What, is this? And he's like, I'm like, how are you getting Pokemon cards? I was like, oh, I love Pokemon. I've always loved it. And I was like, how are we getting Pokemon cards? And I'm like, God, I've got contacts. And I'm just like, why did you have to make it sound like that? (all laughing) So, and so he takes me, he takes me over to one side. Right. He's just like, "Yo, gone, gone, come here, come here. Look, I've got a good deal. If you're interested in Pokemon go." (Joey laughs) I was just like, whoa. I was like, you're taking the (indistinct). You're taking the. I was like me. I just sent off. I just sent off a shiny MuTu. He got graded nine grade nine, shiny new to make first edition. You can be yours. I'm sending it, but I'll give you a good deal. I'll give you a good deal. And I'm just like, this is the weirdest offshoot of breaking bad I've ever seen. - We've got great. (all laughing) - And so, yeah, like, so this guy went through a complete career change apparently. And is now as in, is now dealing poker one. (Joey and Garnt laughing) - Got contacts and came free to pause out a bunch of businesses. (indistinct) - That's the whole weirdest aspect of this whole Pokemon card was it was that people were sending cards, they're cards for Logan Paul to open. - Why? - Why? - So that they could be in the video. - Some kind of like modern cooking that I'm not aware of, where like you don't get in trouble without opening your own things now. Or you have to send them to someone else who can open them, but better. (Connor chuckles) It's like a politician. It's like a full of, oh, he's opening that Pokemon cup. (indistinct) like, what is this? We can walk we're gear. Are we in where we don't get enjoyment? It's like, it's like, well, I've gone buy a bunch of Gacha and I make Joey login my account and do it. 'Cause he does it. - I mean that also is a thing. - Yeah, yeah. - [Man] Garnt always pulls for me and I kinda get it. (Garnt laughs) (indistinct) - Modern. Cocking is this like, this is, what is this one? When did this begin? - I'm pretty sure. There's like a bunch of like ginching YouTubers who gave they get like take like poles for other players. It's like. - I feel like it's just like living vicariously. So then just one person. Right? Because- - I guess. - With Pokemon cards, it feels like a weird extra step where you would send these like extremely valuable cards to be open to that. Do they ever come back to the post? - Yeah. They come back to the person. (Joey laughs) - I think it's, I think I kind of get it. 'Cause it's kinda like sharing your, like, like, like this it's all about the experience, right? Because you're, sharing the experience with say your favorite content creator because you know, there's a difference, you know, there is a difference doing it yourself. Unlike having to freak out by yourself and like doing it as like a group. I was like, okay. - Kind of makes sense. I guess it just feels like this weird kind of year. Are we in a bit of an extra, some people just don't want to open up their own things anymore. I'm going to invite gone over to open up my Dyson vacuum just so I can get the true experience of how a dog should take off appeals. A Dyson should be on box. God will do it better than me. Isn't it weird? Like, okay. I understand. There's a shared experience, but it's weird. Yeah. It's strange. Right? - It's strange. - It's a bit strange. - I don't think it's strange. I would you. - Do it? - Would you send off your cards for someone else? - No, but I would, if I'm like, say opening, like a rare pack, I'd want my boys in there. I'd be like, I wouldn't want to do it by myself. (Joey laughs) - I want to like share the experience. - Boys. 5:00 PM. I'm opening up. - The fresh pack right here. (Joey and Garnt laughing) - Non crinkled cards. - Look it's, it's just like part of the fun is the shared experience of just doing this exciting thing, you know? - But when does it not become your thing? It's not your thing anymore. It's someone else's. - Yeah. - What'd you mean. - If you send your cards off to load and Paul to open up. - Do they, does he send them back? - Yeah. - No, no. But it was a massive difference. - It's like you being cut out, right? - Yeah. There's a massive difference between like you gathering your friends to do it in front of your friends and then sending your cards to someone that you don't know. - Who maybe (indistinct). - And they don't know you. - Thanks (indistinct), thanks for giving me the call. - Yeah. - That's it. - I mean, it's that with extra steps, but like you're sharing that with like say one of the biggest content creators on the platform. So it's like, Joey chose to do this role for me, Joey is that like. - The problem is like majority of like, if they're like streaming on Twitch, the majority of the chat isn't going to be like, oh, this is the card that was sent by this person. Holy. - I guess I kind of get it now that you say it like that. I do kind of understand that you could get more enjoyment. I've seen other people react to your thing. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But it is your strange, what level of consumerism are we on right now? (Joey laughs) We buy things for ourselves, for someone else to open. For what level is this of Capitalism? Is this is what they're going to use. Unlike other communist, look at it. They don't even buy their own stuff anymore. They buy it for someone else to open it. (Garnt laughs) It's like, okay, I kind of get it now, but it is strange. - Yeah. - It's a bit weird. - You have to admit objectively. It sounds bizarre. - I mean, you can make anything sound weird if you like put it in the- - Try it, try it, do it. (all laughing) Right. I'll give you an example. (all laughing) - But like, I mean like that's kinda like the same kind of argument when let's play as thoughts to be, get popular, right? Like it's a bit weird, you know? I mean, you kind of just watching someone play a video game and not even good at the video. - Well, okay. I would argue with that one though. It's not like I'm buying a physical copy of the game. - Yeah is sending it to (indistinct) plan. - I'm not, I don't have a copy anymore. And then I'll watch you play it. - I'm sending it again to the left lane. And then they're like, just after you finish it, just give me back the game. - Again, people do buy games, streamers, but then they normally do that because they want to get, they want to see them have the experience that they had. So. - It's, all about the shared experience. Right? - I guess I do understand the feeling. It's just, it does seem strange to me that this even was a thought that someone was like, I'm going to send my cards to Logan Paul. (Joey laughs) - It's like, is the way you've seen the sentence. - It's a kin to like being cocked in my mind. (all laughing) - It's like I say, my girlfriend - I won't get as much satisfaction out of doing this. I would watching someone else do this. - It is kind of more satisfied. Right? I mean, I take (all laughing) (indistinct) - (indistinct) That's cool, dude. - No, I mean, like for example, with Gacha it is like a lot more fun to pull on street. - Comes back to Gacha. - It does always come back to catch a ride, but I mean. - That's kind of peak entertainment, 2021. - I mean, that's what Pokemon cards are, right. - Yeah. It's. - Just physical. Gacha right. (indistinct) So it's a lot funner to do with your mates. Like every time I remember when we were like addicted to art legs, every time, every time Joey was in the office, he was like, I'm going to do a pool. And we're like, oh, let's see what he gets. And it's a lot more fun to do with mates because if you don't get it, then your mates will be like, ha you're a idiot. (Garnt and Joey laughing) - Right, right. But it's like your buying packs for Joey to Paul because. - He got the cards back. So. - Let's say, yeah, yeah, I guess you do. - Yeah. Yeah. - Yeah. But I guess like the equivalent of that is like, I'm gonna give you 100 bucks to pull on dark nights. But once you finished the polls, I need you to send me the 100 bucks back. (Joey chuckles) I like, that's a little weird. - I mean, it's more like you're just giving the phone to another person, Joey, you do the pool for me trust (indistinct) - Giving your significant others or someone else for one evening. Magical love, nature that you can view. (Garnt laughs) - While you sit back and enjoy the show. - I'm not crazy right. With this comparison I. - Get where you're coming from. Yeah. But it's just, now that I think about it, it is not as weird (laughs) as I initially thought. - Okay. - That's weird. Is that weird that we don't find that weird? - Let me, you let me sell you another idea. - Okay. - Okay. So, like you watch movies and enemies and stuff like that. Right? Right. So, that. Like imagine instead of watching a two hour movie, you could watch three blokes sitting on a set, arguing about chicken breasts and chicken thighs. How's that sound? - I was like quality context. (Garnt laughs) I have one question. Why subscribe? - Yeah. - I sign up. - I suppose. What would you categorize? Why'd you think? Why do you think trash taste is successful? (Garnt laughs) - (indistinct) is a sucking our own Dick. (indistinct). - So good. Can you explain? - Why do you think, what is, why would someone go and watch us instead of watching a movie, which objectively better entertainment. - I could give, like a really deep answer now that is just like, I feel like... - I'm ready for the truth bond. - I feel like we've, the whole shared experience thing we've talking about. A lot of people would now crave kind of like that feeling of like a relationship or like a closeness of someone and people. A lot of people can feel that parasocial eat by, for example, sending their, their cards to their favorite streamers or sending some money for their favorite Gacha streamers to pool, or just watching three blokes, three friends talk for two hours. You know, you get that feeling that you're connected with someone, you, they, you have that feeling of connection, even though that connection isn't technically real. You know, and I feel like a lot of content nowadays, especially with the younger generation is gut like a lot of the most, successful streamers and a lot of the most successful content creators are people who can accurately represent that feeling of a close connection, a parasocial relationship I'd say, see it. That was, my deep answer. - I'm 14. And this is deep, bro. (Garnt chuckles) - My, meme answer is just, it's just three blocks shine ship. (all laughing) - I guess. 'Cause we died, we didn't strive to have that. Right. We just make, we just talk, (Connor laughs) but it's always much deeper. - (indistinct) self satisfaction. - We just wanted to make it show we just chat shakes. - I mean, we didn't try for that. It just happened by (indistinct). - Complete luck. So like, I guess the whole, I watched a video by what's his name? Glinka is it whose name did it be about only fans and the more, not the sexual side, but more so the power of social side where a lot of guys are on there because they that's like the closest they feel that they can get to your girlfriend. - Yeah. - And that was really sad watching that video because you had interviews with people who are only fans subscribers know, and as much as we meme on only fans. And then to know that, that whole thing about, earlier we mentioned the whole density, we're going to take jokes. I do feel very sorry for these guys. Like a lot of them that feel that they have no other choice or there is no other choice for them. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Just life circumstances or maybe what I was going on now, that's, you're busy, it's, and it is, it isn't just the sheriff or guys you think here at doing stuff like that, who consume that? You know, sometimes it's people just have no time. They're very successful and they have too much money. But the one thing that you don't have is time, which is, and the ability to go and make friends. - Yeah. - Yeah. Especially if it's. - Yeah, it is hard. Like a lot of people are lonely it's, especially during the times of the pandemic as well. That's like only kind of just extrapolate extrapolated. That's only kind of exaggerated. Yeah. Exacerbates. - I feel sorry for a lot of guys, obviously as a male myself, (all laughing) I, you know, it's one of those things where you can't really openly talk about being lonely. It's quite difficult to do it, you know? And it's often hard to just reach out to friends and be like, Hey man, I'm not gonna lie. I'm just lonely, man. You want to hang out. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Like, it's really hard to do that. And that whole stigma of like macho insecurity, - I always want to try and dispel that and be honest and try and be open with my are my emotions and what I'm feeling, just so that hopefully other people can be more open with it as well. Like I feel like when you're a public figure, it's kind of your responsibility to try and improve the understanding of topics like that I think. - Generally. You're allowed to feel emotions. - Yeah. - Yeah, bro. I know. So, 'cause you know, more often than not, there is a lot of toxic masculinity and pride that men have and especially to be successful and provide and you know, basically not be a up. (Garnt and Connor laughing) - [Joey] Yeah. - But this pressure pressures a difficult man. I feel like a lot of guys end up pushing up, pushing a lot of friends away. 'Cause they're so focused on trying to not be a failure. - Yeah. I feel like, especially with guys, it's hard to talk about. It's hard to talk about something negative. Like I remember. Yeah. I remember like I remember when we went back to see all our mates and we had that Airbnb where we all caught up. I remember like going into like a conversation, like a deep conversation that some of our guy mates were having at the time, I remember sitting down on the table and like one of our mates was talking about, going through therapy for one of the things that they went through. Right. And you know, more, more and more people started sitting like sitting in and then started sharing their stories about how they also were going through something rough, especially during COVID. And they had to like seek therapy about it. And then eventually we just had these CR this whole table, this group of guys, and I was just like, wait a minute. Has anyone here not been to therapy? We look around and nobody puts their hands up. And I was like, so wait. So everyone here has been to therapy. And I was just like, how have we never talked about this before for like four years? - It's a shame thing, right. - Yeah. - Well, people got a lot of guys feel shame admitting that they have any of those problems. - Yeah. Exactly. And I'm just like, if something should be normalized and not being ashamed of frowned upon, it's just, it's this, it's admitting that you have a problem and you're seeking help for it. And it's like, I feel like, especially, especially in England and especially in Asian culture, it is very much frowned upon to like say, Hey, I went to therapy or I talked to someone and I was just like, 'cause like the mentality is that if you go to therapy, then you're inherently trying to fix something about yourself. You're in here. There's something inherently wrong about yourself. - But I think people don't want to admit that there's something wrong. Just avoid it. - Yeah. And I think that's absolutely. You know, just speak it, like try and trying to keep like a healthy, like a good mental health is not, it's not something that should be frowned upon, you know? And I feel like America in this, I like leagues ahead of other cultures and just accepting this and... - Gender doesn't stop you from being sad. Like if you're sad, it doesn't matter what you identify as if you're sad. And if you need to talk about it, you need to talk about. - The, male suicide rate is so high man, like, I should have sort of sat thinking about (indistinct) - Well male depression rate is so high as well. Like no one talks about it. - Books about thing. Right? What I'm saying in my first year of living in London, looking back, I could easily tell you I was depressed. But at the time, I didn't know. I didn't know why I was miserable. I didn't think I was like, I have no reason to be sad. So I'm not sad. - Just because he had no one to talk about it. - Yeah. - Yeah. - (indistinct) a bad mood. But I also didn't even because I hadn't been educated on it, no one even told me that that was like, who tells you what depression feels like? - [Garnt] Yeah. - [Joey] yeah. - How do you learn that? I didn't know what it was. - [Joey] Yeah. - I didn't understand what it was. And only now when I look back and I think, oh, I'd like all the, the trademarks, if depression, like, I like didn't want to hang out with anyone. But I also was lonely and (indistinct) - Let us catch 22. - Yeah. It's like, it's normally it's being your own worst enemy, but I didn't understand that. And, I'm very, very lucky that I managed to just get out of it on my own. - [Garnt] Yeah. - And that now I'm much better. And I think it was a whole slew of reasons of why I don't feel that way anymore. Mainly like just life reasons changing. - [Joey] Yeah. - But I wish that I'd had more education on it in school. Like in Wales, it was never brought up. Depression was for people who were crazy. That was not what healthy people have with normal jobs and wives. You know, you can't be sad if you have a job in a wife. (Connor laughs) - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah. - You've got a 50 inch plasma screen TV. You can't be depressed, (Joey laughs) Depression is people who killed people. That's what it was like, obviously exaggerating. But yeah, that. - And I feel at school as well, like it's hard to take seriously because of the environment that you're in. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Well, I was just miserable in school anyway. Like I, yeah, it's really difficult. And it's a really uncomfortable thing to think about. - Yeah. - There are times in my life where I'm like, oh yeah, I'm there. So that I was like miserable and very, very unhealthily. So very self-destructive. But I just didn't recognize it. And I didn't know why. - [Joey] Yeah. - I guess the main reason is like why yeah, no one, nothing. Most of the time, nothing makes you depressed. It just happens. - Yeah. And I feel like, it's go going back to what you're taught in school. It's just like, oh, the, seeking help therapy. Those are for the crazy people. - Exactly. - It's just like, you know what? You don't want to be associated with the crazies with some something, you know? And it's just like, that's just not how real life is at all. A lot of people will have a lot of issues and like some on varying scales, but there's nothing wrong with just talking to someone professional about it. - There's nothing wrong with seeking help. - Yeah. Like, you know, when you've had it for an extended period of time, I didn't know. I was like, well, this is just normal. This is how I've always felt. I don't know. I don't know anything else. This is what do you mean? - That's when it starts to get scary. - Yeah. - Yeah. because that's all I like for awhile. That was like how I just felt all the time. - Yeah. - Yeah. - So I was like, oh no, it was nothing to complain about because this is how it's always. - Yeah. - 'Cause, your memory is very good at letting you forget things over a year. So you very much forget how it was. - You'll be sued. You could be, you'd be surprised how easy it is for your mind to just accept things the way they are. - 100%. - Now you can get used to a lot of things and it's scary how you can just get used to like a lot of like a toxic period in your life or like a really bad period in your life. And your mind just like accepts that as the norm. And if you forget that life could be better, that's you? That not everyone should feel this way. - And unfortunately our mind is a terrible way of coping with situations. We don't like. - Yeah - And I'll brain is amazing at that. Like hiding from us. So for a long time, I didn't know why we're sad, but I couldn't figure it out. Like. - And he's very good at just like putting on the emergency handbrake. Sometimes it'd be like. - It's really good at like that little brain is really good at that (indistinct). - You really that boy. - Oh year. - I employ you to think about it more. And if you want to get help, don't be ashamed. - Don't don't be, and don't be ashamed to talk to it about your, to talk with your classmates about it. - Yeah. - 'Cause that's the biggest thing. I think. - You're very blessed to have a good friends. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And if you mates don't take it seriously then, that's something that's telling all your mates. Probably not your mates. - That's telling. - Yeah. That is telling because I've, I realized then that I was lucky enough to have mates, including you guys who I can talk to anything about this, and it's not just here, it's back home as well. And I'm just like, I got a pretty good group of friends. I feel pretty blessed right now know. - I'm obviously not gonna bring it up every conversation. - Yeah. - Yeah. - You can, bring it up. - Yeah. - It was a bro moment when I'm just like, I'm glad we're talking about this now, man. - Yeah. - I want all my friends to feel like they can come to me in trust and be like, listen, man, I'm really struggling. And I'm like, let's do so let's sit down. Let's talk about whatever you need, man. Whatever you need man, Let's figure it out. Like let's, do it. Like I want you to be happy (chuckles). - Mates don't wanna see mates being sad. (Garnt laughs) - Oh man. You know the one thing that I've learned as I getting older golf a bit I'm twenty-five and I'm saying that it is. (Joey laughs) I noticed it is harder to make friends. It gets, more difficult to make good friends because everyone's doing, you know? - And I feel at that point as well, everyone already has their establishment for France. - Yeah. And groups and stuff. And you know, and it's time, man. (indistinct) - I remember when I was growing up, everyone was just like, time is your most valuable resource. And I'm just like, fine. - What does that mean, off. - Off I'm not (indistinct). - Give me a million dollars and we'll see how it buy me a McDonald's meal. - A time is gonna buy me McDonald's meal. Okay. - Shut up, dad. Logan is opening my (indistinct). (all laughing) - It really started to hit me when I just wanted to hang out with Sydney. And now she's like got her own career and everything. And we literally have to like schedule a date. - Yeah. - Never had to do before. And I'm just like what we have to book out time to spend time with each other. - You have to pencil in a date (laughs). - I have to pencil in time to spend time with my significant other. I'm just like, what is there? What is this? - Yeah, it is very weird. - Yeah. And it's like, time management is a thing that you have to learn as you're growing older as well. And like also, you just don't have as much energy as you did before. Like it's like your energy levels do like go down because your patience for. Just like just, it dwindles, you know. - I'm like, I have zero of that now just like immediately. I'm like, I'm not gonna waste time on this because now I know how valuable my time is. Like, I finally understand that time is your most precious values. - I know right? - I finally understood after all the I went to like, oh, this is what this means. - And it's not even like, oh, I could use using this time to make money. No, you're not. I mean. - I could be using this time to be happy (laughs). - I can be using this time to hang out with my homie to play some games, like... - Anything like but this. - Like if there's something that makes me angry nowadays, it's something that wasted my time. I'm literally like, literally, like, I don't have many pet peeves, but if I feel, if I do something and I feel like I could have been, I could have used that hour doing something else. - Yeah. - I that's the biggest thing that makes me angry. - Yeah. - I could have been like, I could have been playing it like a good game. Could have been hanging out with my homeys. - Yeah. - Have been doing anything. - Anything, to make me happier than where I am now. (all laughing) - Japanese government and building (all laughing) 20,000 hours of waiting. I've had a question in my mind. That's been haunting me. - Okay. - This guy came out of the toilet. Right. - Right. - In the public toilet. And he flushed the toilet as he left. When do you flush the toilet? (Joey laughs) Because I do you like, because... - Well, it depends on what you're doing. - You've done it number two. Right? - Okay. Number two. - Yu have your, you stand up, right. You now have two options. You can start buckling your belt, putting it back up, putting it, getting metal ready or you can flush the toilet. Which one do you do first. - While standing up? - Yeah. - Because there are some people who flush while they sit. - That ain't right. (Joey laughs) You know, you just typhoon in your, water. Like that's terrible. Well, the circumstance upon which you are allowed, I will give the past to be able to flush the toilet while still sitting on it. You know, that smell is so bad that you, your cheeks are the only thing. Keeping it in. - Okay. I Personally stand up first when I flush. - Obviously you can 'cause you're human beings. - I'm not (indistinct). - Do you then, right. So let's say you've unbuckled, right? Your pets. 'Cause you obviously you've unbuckled them. Why? This has been burning on my mind because this man did it. He clearly right. He clearly got up, did his pants and then flushed the toilet and left. Right? - Yeah. - But which one do you do first? 'Cause sometimes I immediately, I just close the thing, flush and then something up my pants. - I buckle up my pants first. - I buckle up my pants first. - Then flush that leak. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Why am I the weird one? What happened in my childhood? - Like, it's weird. Like the way you do it is weird because it's that means you're literally standing there flushing the toilet with the pants. - Yeah. So like this right pants here. I'll simulate it. I'll simulate it. - Okay. - Okay. - Say it's like this. Right? - Yeah. I'm like, okay, close the lid, flush. And then I do this while it's flushing. - But your pants down, right? - No. - Well then that's exact thing. - Right when I'm like this. Right. I come up and then as I'm getting up, I kind of like pull it up to the point of light. Like, it's that? But I just gotta zip it up and do the belt. You don't have you understand what I mean? You want to send what I mean? Right. - No (laughs). - I don't. I fail to see the difference. What's the difference? - What'd you mean? - Like what's the difference between the way you do it and the way I do it. - So, when I stand up... - I like to have a conversation has gone to or. - I just sold the cafe. - We just, had like the deepest therapy session. - How do you flush (indistinct). - This has been on my mind for like three days. I just saw someone did it... - And I need a therapy session off this conversation. - Yeah. - All right. So, I stand up right. And I picture it right? Anyone with any pants doing this? You pull it up right now. There's a moment where you can now decide to wear your pants up. You're standing up your hands on, are free for a moment you can choose to then move your hands to the zipper and the belt to fully close your pants. Or you can flush the toilet. - Okay. - I choose to choose to flush. Oh, I choose to do my pants and then flush. - Yeah. - Like how do we develop these behaviors? That's what I want to know. What makes us, why do we do this? - (laughs) It's deep. - It's because I would like, before I flush the flush, right. Is the, signal that I have finished everything. - Yeah. - Like, 'cause here's the thing. Here's the thing. Right? Sometimes, you're in a public toilet. Right? I hate the people who like flush. Like sometimes you're desperate. You're just like, God, I need to go now. And you're waiting for something to come out of the toilets and here the flush right here, the flush, or you're just like, all right, they're coming out and let's stay in there for another five minutes doing God knows what. - The flushes, like a Pavlovian. It's like, you hear the flush. It's all ready to, it just doesn't happen. - It's just like, if you flush, you better be coming out of that. (Joey laughs) - Yeah. If you flush, there must be a ten second window where you have to get out the toilet. You're signaling the end of your. - Yeah. That's why I want to be fully ready to get out the moment I flushed. - I saw a sprint, man, - I don't want to keep you guys waiting. - I'm just wondering, is there something in my brain that makes me decide to do that first? - You're just trolling. Aren't you? (Joey and Garnt laughing) - I do wonder this like psychoanalyze. - You're like, I want to take my time. - Like little things I do. And I wonder like, why do I do like that? Why do I do those things? I don't know. - Maybe it's a habit you had since you were a kid. - Maybe. Yeah. - Like maybe when. - You, did you notice this in the first place. - I noticed that this guy immediately left after he flush. And I thought to myself, I hold on. I do like to flush and then take a moment and just kind of. - Oh, you're the one person I would hate to be. (all laughing) - You're that awesome like, give me five minutes. - The total giant social time. Doesn't change. Right. But the perception of time changes. - Exactly. - So you it's 10 seconds after you flush to us it's 10 minutes (laughs). - Overall. It's the same time I'm spending in there. So it doesn't matter. You're going to get into this. - So to me, if you don't leave the toilet, by the time the flush is finished, then you are taking too long. That is the ESCO, right? That is, the. - Because you will sorry if we covered this on channel before. I don't know if we have, how do you prove in public bathrooms? Do you care about that? - We haven't. - I remember in school, I was always the weird one because I didn't mind pooping in the toilets, but I also was like, what am I going to do? - Yeah. Like to me, it is like a last resort ruby toilet. - Yes, yes. - Yeah. I've seen crime. It seems less messy than that (indistinct). - One thing I do remember now that we're talking about this. When I was back in London, I went to, I needed the toilet before I got my train and Euston station. Now one thing about Euston station in London is that it's probably one of the dirtier train station. They'd say. - Yeah. - It's definitely one of the rougher looking stations. It doesn't look as nice. - As this train stations aren't already dirty. - Well, I've been King's cross is pretty nice. - Yeah. - It looks pretty fancy. I'd say. - One thing, I noticed after going back was like, compared to Japan, everything's doing train stations. (Joey and Garnt laughing) - Yeah. It's true. Train stations. Suck in the UK. Then you don't find out what platform your train is on in Houston until like five minutes before. - [Garnt] Yeah. - So everyone's just standing there. And then when the thing comes up, everyone's rushing. And it's like, why don't you just tell me it before? And then I guess there's some system on their end where they don't know it's stupid. They should know. They should figure this out. Come on, figure it out. But, so I went to the toilet in Houston station and this was absolute war crimes. I'm sure some Geneva conventions are broken. Then this toilet. - [Joey] Yeah. - There was no toilet seat in this toilet. - This was just the bowl. - It was just the bowl. - I've seen that before. - And I thought it must be a mistake. I went to, I refuse to go in this one. It was very busy. I might... - (indistinct) someone steal the lid or something devious. Like you notice I go to the next one. It's the same thing. I go to the next world. And then now there is now there is a toilet seat, but there is like, it is, it is like something has happened in here. - [Garnt] Yeah. - Not only is the smell apparent, but like there is like four pieces of toilet tissue left. And it's that horrible, horrible system of like one tissue that they ration out that you have to, like, you have to pull out 50 to get one wipe with anyway. It's like, what's wrong with you people? I get it that you don't want me to take a out of the role. I understand that. But why do you have to make it such a small amount? You know what I mean? Like I, and it's always like half apply. - Yeah. - It's like, if I held this up, I could see through it and navigate perfectly in a car and a car. Right? - Yeah. - So there's this toilet seat. Oh, it's terrible. And then not only that, when you leave it, I hate when Polly bathrooms do this. They don't have any soap anywhere. - Yeah. - Yeah. - No soap, no way to dry your hands. And it's like, are you, you're just telling me not to dry. You're not telling, you're just asking me not to wash my hands. - Yeah. - yeah. - Right? Like, so I go there, I do the obligatory, put water on my hands and leave and I feel dirty stuff. My hands are wet. I can't dry that I'm depressed. Not only was there stains all over this thing, that stunk is terrible. - Yeah. - Shocking. How do they not keep these toilets clean? I don't understand. - And it's just not getting paid enough. - You have one job and it just literally to keep them clean. I don't think there's anything else you need to do in the toilets. - Well, the thing is that's why I don't in public, (Garnt laughs) (indistinct) I mean, it's, there is a big difference between the toilets, the toilets in Japan versus the toilets in the UK. - Yeah. - Right? I mean, as you mentioned last week, the first thing you noticed is things are a lot dirtier in the UK. Well, after you've been living in Japan for like this long, right? - Yeah. Oh, I remembered another story. (all laughing) - Go for it. Go for it. - Sorry. I went to this toilet in a coven garden. - [Garnt] Yeah. - So I went to a coffee shop. Coffee shop was too small. They didn't have their own toilet. They used a toilet in coven garden that was connected to the church. - [Garnt] Okay. - And it was 30 Penn center. It's about 50 cents maybe. - Yeah. - And- - How much were you guys charged for toilets. - Oh God. This toilet was, it was like, entering some sewer level and a video game going down these stairs. So it was in the stairs down. You just go on the street level, you have to go down this really looking 1800s at architecture. You get to this like this I'm kind of Cove looking thing. It's, this Archway. Right. And again, it looks like from something out of the 1800s that was never replaced. - [Garnt] Yeah. - [Joey] yeah. - Which is amazing, great architecture. Whoops. - [Joey] Yeah. - But this is then this is turnstile and it is the most disgusting color of orange green wall that you've ever seen. And the lights are flickering and yeah. - It sounds like you're about to enter a Doxil the level. - And I'm near certain, I'm the only person on earth who actually pay to get in because the moment I got it, (indistinct) I got in two guys just jumped after me. - Yeah. - So I go in here. Right. And only one of the stalls is open. So I go in there and I to do my business now, unfortunately that was only like two sheets of toilet roll life. So I was already, it was already a bad time by the time. And there was no bad day, obviously. - Tragedy. - So my never quite felt clean. So I was constantly, I was also struggling with that every single day. - Yeah. - I definitely felt my was not clean that January you joked. But I walked in on many days thinking like, holy and need you to bring a portable today. - [Garnt] Yeah. - [Joey] yeah. - So I'm in this thing, right. I'm hearing noises from the two stalls and I'm like, that's not a big deal. It's not a big deal. And then this guy drops a can. They're kind of ominously rolls into my store and it's a kind of Guinness and I kind of like kick it back and I'm like, there you go. He's like, "Cheers." (all laughing) And I'm like, hello? I'm like, okay. And he's like, it's a nice day to day in it. And I'm like, you talking to me while I'm in the middle of this. Like, I me he's like, "Who else would I be talking to?" And I'm like, "I don't know." I'm like what? And I'm just confused. I'm like, yeah, it's nice. So I go out and these two guys come out. One of them is homeless. And one of them just looks like, I don't know who this guy is. He doesn't look homeless. - [Joey] Yeah. - But one of the other guys is clearly homeless. 'Cause his stall was just had his sleeping bag in it. - Oh Jesus Christ. - And I was like, "What on earth is going on?" And the guy was like, "You didn't actually pay for it. Did you?" And I was like, "Yeah, I did." And he was like, "Oh, you're a ticket." (all laughing) And then washed his hands and left. And then the other guy just stared at me. I was like, this is the most comfortable toilet experience I've had. I was just happy. - [Garnt] Oh God. - I thought I was gonna die. And then I was like, okay, I'm just going to go through. And I just worked the toured sandwich of depressed, like some kind of emergency meeting button X to get out. It was horrible. - The kicking back the Guinness can just sounds like an event in a game. It was wait, this is how you activate the store. (all laughing) - I heard something drop. - Yeah. - And then it had that really ominous noise of rolling came over and I was like, kicking it, like take it back. I don't bunch with kidneys. - [Man] It's a side quest in Yakuza. - Yeah. (indistinct) Because the side quest. - I, this short I'll take a. - Jesus. - If there's one place, I don't want to have a conversation. It's on the not, not, not, you know, maybe if we're in some kind of Ritz, Carlton, toilet, wets, it's amazing hand towels. - [Connor and Joey] Yeah. - You know, when you're in a fancy place, that's their tissues. There's towels. There's a pile of towels to wash your hands. That's actually how my day is, how is it? I'm just enjoying the fun selection of towels, SERPs, and moisture. And it looks, you know, it's great. That then talks to me (laughs). But when I'm in the sketchiest toilet in London, no thank you. - (indistinct) next to you. - I didn't know. This guy had his whole set up in there. I was like, oh my God. I've been like, I don't know. I don't know if that's okay. But I mean, I'm glad you've got some accommodation for now, but like, me. - Yeah. - Jesus Christ. - Scary. And I just didn't know why they called me a. I paid for it. I should I be a good citizen? Know someone has to stock the toilet paper or else they're gonna afford it. - That's the only like bad public toilet stories that has happened to you because like... - Like when I went back. - Oh, when you went back, that's why you just don't in public. In the UK, at least in Japan. It's okay. (indistinct) - Okay. No, no, it's not. No, it's not in Japan. There is a common phenomenon in Japan. If you go to some places at night, there was a big thing where dudes try and watch your PP. If you've had, have you seen the videos on Twitter? - No. - You've seen them. There's loads of videos, right? In certain areas. I think there are very, more likely to happen. There's videos of dudes like jacking off in urinals, like right next to other guys. You're just seeing this. - [Man] No. - Oh my God. - I mean, I've heard stories about this. - I've seen this on Twitter. - I'm not Surprised by this. - I've never been a lot of stories of like dudes, like, looking at it and stopping, looking at it. And that's apparently somewhat common in Japan. - I mean, I'm not surprised at all. This is Japan. - Common. - It is also, you know what I mean? When you, kind of treat your treat, gay people kind of harshly here. - Yeah. - Just stuff like that. I guess they have no choice. - [Joey] Exactly. - Don't feel comfortable, but it's still strange. - Yeah. - I've had friends who had happened to hear. - Really? - Yeah. Well they've just started like pull it out and going at it. - Oh my God. (indistinct) - Sorry. In which, areas I want to know. (indistinct) Okay, well I'm sketchy parts sheets. There are some sketchy parts in Shinjuku. (indistinct) - I have seen, there has been a couple of instances where I have seen dudes in public jacking it. - Yeah, they do it. It's not weird. It's not always, it's not unusual to see. - Unfortunately it's not unusual to see. And it's definitely scarring. - Yeah. - Having a Georgie Strausser Shinjuku. And then it's like, oh, just jacking in the alleyway. - We don't normally hang out at those like kind of like establishment. So it doesn't really surprise me that area. But like, yeah. I mean most public toilets in Japan are like cleaner than like most people's private toilets. It's rediculars. Like the concept of clean public toilets didn't exist in my mind until I went to Japan. I'm just like, wait. - I've seen some really dirty ones in Japan. - Oh, yeah. Occasionally there is some way. - Occasionally it happens. But normally you never see clean public toilets, especially in England and especially in Thailand as well. My God Southeast Asia. Okay. I achieve. Wait, wait, wait. I actually realized going back why? I don't like days. Right? And it's because I realized, oh, I've grown up my entire life with birthdays because Southeast Asia have their own days. - [Man] What? - But okay. Because, but in Southeast Asia, we have this thing that, which we call a bad day, but it's not a bad day. It's a hose. All right. So. (Garnt and Joey laughing) - Now I'm civilised. - (indistinct) in Japan, you have (laughs). - Toshiba's system, the measures, the moisture of your to deliver the perfect blend. - So read the reason I hate the feeling of bodies is because my entire life I've had like Southeast Asian bodies, which is just like every toilet has like this hose. Right. You know, how in the buddies in Japan is like this precision sniper. - I was being shot at your hole. It's not political down. (Garnt and Joey laughing) - In Southeast Asia, you have this host put a shotgun. It's like a shotgun that you shot gun your entire house. - How did you use this? If you're like, you know, you're, are you on the toilet? - You're on a toilet slow. So you have to like put the hose between your legs. (indistinct) - Yeah. - Which is still weird. - [Man] It's like, what the fuck is the wet? Why is it always wet? (all laughing) - I don't want to be reminded of a theme park when I'm going to the toilet. I don't want that. - And so like a lot of public toilets in Southeast Asia, you see the toilet seat and it's wet and it's not wet from. It's just wet from the day. Right. And so that's why, that's what I, like. I think I've been grained that into my mind to be like, yeah, that feeling of water on your. That's bad feeling. - I've tried to I've. Okay. I like how we've just managed to go from deep to the again. I apologize. I'm sure we'll run out of topics to talk about with this. Eventually I, in Japan, sometimes you do come across the old style toilets of Japanese starlets. - Yeah. Have you ever used them? The waspy toilet? - Well, I'll talk you about it. Yeah. So it was you just AKA a hole in the ground and you squat over it and you just do it. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Now I have used it one time and I just could not get over the feeling that I was just kind of dropping something that was just going to splash everywhere. - [Garnt] Yeah. - [Joey] yeah. - And I could not get over that feeling. I was squatting real low, but I just, I couldn't, I did not enjoy it. It was not fun. - What I hate about those. 'Cause I've had to use that plenty of times as well in Southeast Asia. Especially like, especially if you're on a long drive. - [Connor] Yeah. - Like if you, need to your business, every public toilet, is that holding on the ground. - Yeah. - If, it came to it and the only option I had is that a hole in the ground? - [Joey] Yeah. - I'm sure I'm in a hole in the ground. - [Garnt] Yeah. - [Joey] Yeah. - Can I have it? I bought, if I can, I will obviously go for the premium wall mass bid day blasting. What temperature moistening experience any day of the week I would choose. - The thing that makes me most uncomfortable is like with a normal toilets. There's the seat. And the seat is like a safety barrier, nothing penetrates this barrier. Right? - So I liked that. I couldn't miss. I've never missed the toilet. (all laughing) (indistinct) - Hey bro. You have to play like mini-golf we're there. But like if you miss the whole, he got to clean that up. (Garnt laughs) - Total paper and scoop it in. What happens. Does anyone know? Is Eric, is there a courageous? - You don't miss. - I have gone 25 years or probably like 23 without missing. I'm very happy to keep my streak alive. - Yeah - Yeah. - I don't want to even attempt to miss. And also I just like sitting down I'm lazy. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I don't like that. You know, you you're propping yourself up with your own legs. 'Cause if you don't then, and you fall over. - I don't do exercise. - Supposedly it's supposed to be better to squat. Like just like, that's what I say. It's less likely you're going to get hemorrhoids and (indistinct). Like. - But if we just stop at McDonald's, but I still do a lot of things that are better for me that. - True, true. Why did we get on this topic? (all laughing) - I'm so sorry. This is my fault. I was just, he was on my mind. Okay. And I thought, I didn't bring it up (indistinct) - Was it on your mind this entire time. - Spent on mindful of three days, I saw the men do it and I woke up thinking about it. - I'm also very used to just like in a hole in the ground from like going camping in Australia because (indistinct) we have long drops and it's just like, it's literally. - No, that's just, well, she just do that anyway. - Yeah. - But when you're camping, you have no choice. - Yeah, exactly. Because it's a hole in the ground. But it's like, it's not like a shallow hole in the ground. And it's like a real deep hole. - Oh, really should dig. When we used to go camping, we'd dig up tiny hole and fill it up. - Oh no. Those ones where it's like. - What are you doing? - No, no, no, no, no. It's like ones that have built into the campsite. - Oh. - Like in a cabin. - Oh, they made an outhouse, - Yeah, like an outhouse space. - Outhouse. - Yeah. But it's like a wooden log cabin and you walk in and it's just a whole, it's. - An outhouse. - And you like put your torch in it and it's like, you can't see the bottom. (indistinct) - Yeah. That's an outhouse. Yeah, exactly. And yeah, I had to do those. - Okay. This is the worst experience of my life. All right. So picture it. You're skiing. You have those ski boots home. - Yeah. Okay. - All right. So have you ever have you want ski boots? Actually. - [Man] Oh, yeah. - It is impossible to have precision movement in the ski boots. Right. - You also like a roadblocks. - Right? So you do, you bought like you're in roadblocks. (Connor chuckles) So the only option at this particular skiing place for some reason was a port-a-potty. - Okay. - Can you imagine a port-a-potty in ski boots? It doesn't work, right? - Yeah. - Yeah. - 'Cause you need to sit down. You got to aim yourself. You gotta have room to close the door. Right. That was bad enough that it was a port-a-potty I thought, oh my God, I gotta get used a port-a-potty and ski thing and ski boots. - Yeah. - Oh my God. I get in this Porter potty. I think it was in, might've been Bulgaria. - [Joey] Yeah. - I get in this Porter potty. I don't know how this has happened. There is, toilet roll with on it, on the roof, on the sides. On every, it looks like some kind of someone has tried to do you use like ancient talismans of on this port-a-potty to get spirits away. It is. I immediately threw up when I got in there. - [Garnt] Yeah. - Because I was still needed to go somewhere. I stuck with it. But right after I was done, I threw up, it was so disgusting. I'd never seen anything like it, I was, it was almost like a trap that they put that for tourists. (Joey laughs) There was like, you, tourists coming to our place. It was horrible, man. You go into this thing. It's tiny. Right? - Yeah. - You can barely sit there. Your ski boots, belly fitted. So your knees are touching the door. That also has on them. I don't know how that would happen to this day. I still don't know why. - They should apologize viewers. You have to listen to this. - It's disgusting. It was, oh God. - That's what my thoughts were. Like. - That's why, I flushed the toilet down. - That's why, that's why I never shot. Like when I was in high school too. 'Cause like my high school, because I went to an all boys school. - Yeah. - Right. So obviously there's going to be some afoot, (Garnt laughs) like in places where there's going to be in places where they shouldn't be. - That was always the pranks were there. - There was always the pranks. And I'm like guys like where we're not animals. - The people shooting in urinals. - Oh dude. I don't think there was ever a day where I went to the urinal. There wasn't in it. Like it was actually discussed. - (indistinct) to the different cups. - I'm like. - [Man] Even in South-East Asia we're kinda like... - Yeah, it was, it was gross. I'm like, yeah. - Never. Whoa, whoa. Humans show disgusting. - I dunno. - Why? Why can we not properly? (laughs) Apparently. - Toilet training is alive. - 2000 years to get this right. - And we're still. We're only one step ahead. I was just. - Sitting in the hole in the ground. God dumb it. - How do we always talk about shooting? - Okay. I really didn't want to. I wanted. - To get away from anyone like eating. - Whether they get away from me. I didn't want you to stay to be the podcast, but it also been on my mind. (Joey laughs) I'm done. There's no more. Now I promise you. Won't talk about for 10 episodes. - Yeah. (all laughing) - I ain't going to make that promise, man. - I promise. - I'm going to bring it on. First thing next episode. - No. - Just to break the rule. - I will not engage. (indistinct) And in such an uncivilized manners on this podcast, we are a civilized podcast with two Australians, one Australia, two Brits, and should be civilized. (all laughing) - But you know who normally? - Oh my God, here we go. - Have patience. Amazing. Definitely don't because they watch us. (all laughing) - They definitely bonus points. If you're listening to this on the toilet, that's a the true trash Stacy's experience. Right? - Shout out to all the Southeast Asian who knows about the hose day, (Joey and Connor laughing) who grew up that's that still like. - Gone. Whenever we need to increase his popularity. (indistinct) - Hey, sound these stations, these. (all laughing) (indistinct) - I'm just trying to bring the Southeast Asian culture to the mainstream. (Joey laughs) People need to know what it's like. Okay. - Hello. How are you doing? - How are you? But Hey, if you like to smoke the show, they go to page on low cost slash trash days. Also follow us on Twitter, send this you means on the Sabrina. And if you hate our face, listen to us on Spotify. - Wow. But yeah, go on. - Thank you. - Again, I love how trash tastes, the only show where we can go from deep self-help conversation to how do you ship? - Yeah. - I feel, I feel like we need to have like our like say monthly or bimonthly therapy session with the boys. And then it was like, okay. - And then Immediately falling off with (indistinct). (Garnt laughs) - And it was just like, all right out of our system. All right. - Yeah. Great back to poop. (Joey and Garnt laughing) - I'm sorry. That was really poor timing of it. - It wouldn't be trash stays with them. - Well, thank you patrons. And everyone else watching bye guys. I guess. - [Garnt and Joey] Bye. (upbeat music)

Channel: Trash Taste

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Length: 125min 58sec (7558 seconds)

Published: Fri Oct 22 2021