This is it, the DEEPEST Lore (ft. Camelworks) | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #38

[Music] what is up ladies and gentlemen welcome back to fudge marpa this is the elder scrolls podcast i'm scott here with michael drew as always and with the iceberg videos we've had camel along as well here again and we're going to be going deeper into the iceberg we're getting towards the end but doubt we'll get it completely done this episode but let's see how we go so let's get into it so we left off at the elven lie so now we're at to has fat and tabulus so he's just the character in the fighters guild who you go when you ask you get the dwemer puzzle cube right but i'm sure there's some kind yeah he's the the drill master for the fighters guild in morrowind um he does talk about the uh the egg of time a bit i cannot read and write duo myself but that is a tr but this is a truly interesting find um he's just talking about you know the egg of time this book filled with maybe it's i don't know maybe there's some deep lord thing about why he wanted the dwemer puzzle box yeah yeah i i reckon that's it i reckon someone came up with a theory once about him yeah i don't know if there's anything much to those theories or if it's a bit more like is he jagarthan question mark is he says he is he yeah i think that's probably it let's move to elf sightings which um could be a variety of things it kind of makes me think about um the contradictions between the ideas of like turple the pilot navigating around tamriel and not seeing like elves but then other reports of elves having been in certain places at that time like like yeah like the the falmer snow elves like should have been there or well they could possibly have not have been too yeah but it's like it's you don't know when they said the i mean potentially the same case for the dwemer right except maybe they were underground so they were actually even the same for the bosma really just if you do buy into the ooze story more and that it's not a direct um descendants from like ultima or something which i personally do believe but i just thought this was a meme honestly when i said elf sightings like you see an elf everything i was going to say you'd think they would say so but could it have something to do with the sea elves and how people have claimed to have you know spotted them and doing different things i know they're in elder scrolls online but yeah that's the thing it could be applied to so many things yeah all right see gods i guess this is kind of like the absence of sea gods well the only the only the only sea gods like explicitly that we hear about is in like uh they're not like inherently sea gods but the khajiit interpretation of like hermeasmura you know maintaining sort of these undersea libraries and so yeah like the waters of oblivion too is a little you know you could think of yeah but i don't know if it but yeah i guess you don't have many of those like you don't have your like poseidon import or anything i mean into the i know um our favorite man kirk bride was saying how he didn't actually um he was like kind of like oh i should have put sea gods in there and kind of was like kicking himself for not doing it so maybe there's some secret sea gods we don't know about in the deep the last war which i think is just a reference to kind of like the end of the cowper and the start of a new one and some big final battle but if you look i wasn't that i feel like that was referenced in a kirkbride text the last war i don't mind even me i might be inventing that i'm not sure so man some of these get so vague that i feel like they could be applied to like everything you know what i mean the last war of like you know what i mean there's not enough details yeah i guess because i mean if it's what we talked about in a previous episode where it's the idea that shaw is assembling an army to fight the uh to fight trinimac and auriel's armies of old illinois again and that's like the start and end of the calper we talked about it's like it could be that hold on yeah i don't know here we go i'm gonna do a control f last okay here we go mysterious akavir um the red guards destroyed yakuda so they could make their journey all men and mer know tamriel is the nexus of creation where the last war will happen where the gods unmade lorkhan and left their adamantine tower of secrets who knows what the akaviri think of tamriel but ask yourself why have they tried to invade it three times or more okay yeah yeah i guess that's um so that's that's kind of the same thing and it kind of plays on like what i think was the last episode we talked about like why tamriel is also called the arena because it's like the place where they're all going to come and fight all the races flock to what was the source of that text mike um mysterious activity is that an in-game block that's count yeah okay good yeah yeah yeah well i guess we'll move to continent pushing it's just like like what we have on earth like the idea of continents moving around and having like tectonic plates i mean the only like you know there's um i've forget uh which it's not the annuity it's the other one isn't it the other the monomyth isn't it the one that explains that it was all one consonant one of those one of those in goa like one of the ideas is that you know at the beginning tamriel akavi yokuda at maura they're all these one big super continent like a pangaea kind of because the anuad does touch on it as well but i think the idea i mean they could have moved around but the idea was that it was one thing but rather than anything moving like loads of chunks just sank to the point where they became separate continents without actually necessarily having to move just because land in between them sank yeah i mean outside as a result is that like a text with vivek where he like literally pushes a continent maybe i feel like that's some weird stuff that would that koco would write about uh i mean that he had a battle that made like the west gash the like area river but i don't think he actually perhaps in some kirkbride stuff i don't know i guess we can move on to gods yeah our imaginary this is a very primary school take yeah well i mean i mean because you're only sustained by belief right yeah like the elder scrolls is all driven on belief like most of the the god stuff all the gods derive their power then like you know with um talos and stuff like the idea they're trying to erase talos by erasing his worship and then you when you're controlling the narrative you're like it's kind of like a weird like literal take whether god is real if you believe it but it's kind of but also controversy as well because i don't know there are just some gods in daedra that would have kind of so few worshippers but still exist and would have you know power more than any mortal would have to be honest i think the the whole i think that applies more so to the aedra as as the earth bones and so on's like the different cultures impart their own sort of cultural views and beliefs on the aedra so that's when you get like you know kernathy and kynareth and kaine um as opposed to just one scene it does there are differences in cultures with daedra like the khajiits look at day drivers yeah other cultures so it gets confusing i just feel like you know periodic would exist regardless of worship that might just be like a bias that i have and it is he is sustained by worship yeah it just feels like they can exist without worship because i i don't think the gods go away but i mean you could almost look at it in a um in a meta way in that you know you have eben arm as a kind of important god of war but then if the devs decide to kind of write them out of the canon then in that sense they're imaginary because just because the god of war is not being worshipped it doesn't mean he should disappear but if the devs decide they want him to disappear then he's that he's never met that's what i was thinking it's literally a metaphor for the devs because when you look at uh daggerfall and stuff there's a bunch of gods that are never mentioned again and it's the devs are the belief system the devs forgot about him therefore it's gone yeah i suppose so the real red pill is it's all imaginary because this is a fantasy world that we've that's all in our heads wait what um what's this next one arno telecon no id um i have zero it's like a company that sends me um letters about changing my internet plan wow there's not even a google search like even when i typed it in i've just come to some archive of our own.org and it's like what that's the only thing that i can see the marauder yeah oh hold on is it spelt wrong because sometimes this iceberg meme spells things wrong there's something i go aaron a renault telecon okay hold on this is like a european carnivorous big beast thing um okay okay how they spelled it but put an e after a r like arana telecon i'm scared to google anything because my keyboard's so loud there's a few different monsters but let's call that and let's talk about the next one then the calling which is a reference to um the dwemer's what was before like a telepathic ability but is now a uh telephone helmet is now basic but thanks to some like later eso law has sort of been explained as like you know basically headsets that they can communicate with almost yeah so um uh chimeri quay so you know the kaima's big exodus off to resdayne and so on there is i think it's a kirkbride stuff about the idea that they went some of them went even further to the islands of catholicway which is like a bun like included in a bunch of sort of islands kind of like inslee and ross korea and other places is that like between akavir and tamriel um i think so i'm assuming so because where they are in the direction for more there's like six islands around there little islands yeah well the whole chimeric way thing is just the idea i guess that there's kaima on that island catholic yeah but i don't know how much there is to it outside of that it's just based on a forum post by michael kirkbride apparently so um i think there's even a mod i swear there's even a mod i've seen like a morrowind mod for some like island where the kaima went and kept following azura unchanged or something like they weren't turned into dunmore it's just a morrowind three mod uh ellis cross three mod but yeah morrowind three that's what i want to play give me some more win 2027 man yeah everything said about talos is true um i mean okay it's just like sure well as in like all of the origins the like the potential origins yeah it's probably getting into that that same sort of like mythical take where like truth is malleable because it's controlled by sort of like myth and so everything has like some kind of nugget of truth you know what i mean yeah because like if it's just a guy born in um high rock in alcare or whatever he can also be the atmoran kind of like prophesized talos storm crown character while also being the general of cooler kane while also becoming tiber septim because he just changed his name so he is all of those things at once yeah but then there are also just completely contradictory like ideas like is there a dragon like break theory about telos where all these things happen and then they all merged into the one tower well there's because it's when the mantella that the um the new medium gets used right is is is that the idea that isn't a god in the arena daggerfall sort of timeline kind of thing that basically once um the whole mantela thing's used in zurin arctus as soul and everything it's all it all recombines into the over soul and then you actually get talos then in that dragon break and then it's kind of like talos has always been a a thing and then he chain you know changes jungle syria dylan to normal cyrodiil and yada yada um but yeah it's the old idea that talos is the oversoul of zurin arctus like healthy early beard like otherwise like tiber septim or and um and izumi woolfarth and it gets complete complicated and convoluted but um i guess what this is trying to say is like all of it's true like all different versions but i guess it's the same way that like technically there's truth to like you know you can't coincide i guess it's the importance of myth but all the creation stories are different in some way you know like the nords versions l versions yokudan versions but there's all sort of like um a core like what i say like a mono myth there is a core to all of it one singular sort of myth that they're all just kind of different versions of so there's a courtroom well how about we move on to tigers equals dragons and i mean the first thing that i know we had tigers equals quas before but uh this makes me think of like tosh raka um and the kapitan yeah like the leader of the tiger dragons of capoton yeah i don't know where else they're going with it though beyond that like it could be just how he became like this dragon and everything involved with that yeah could be and then maybe maybe more of them are turning into a dragon or swell or something um everything vivec says is a lie now this could also be very well true like like vivec i guess anyway and especially being a reflection of mephala is like a paradoxical like dual being so it's the same as like i was kind of trying to explain i think in the last episode that like he is both telling the truth when he says he didn't kill nerovar but he's also kind of lying because in a prior timeline that no longer exists anymore he did if that makes sense [Laughter] um but yeah so i guess everything he says could be also taken as a lie or a truth i guess even there's probably a lot of complicated stuff there okay i love this one this one's hilarious riemann heard pelino maybe when he yelled out his name it was heard yeah i guess it just echoed through time until raymond was around and then when do you think he heard it yeah is there any text saying that raymond heard a battle cry out of nowhere like no i don't think so but if you want to take a hybrid he's lying at 4am [Applause] there are examples of like you know like time wounds and stuff like that so and especially with pelinol kind of being you know as a time traveling cyborgy type character like you can kind of imagine perhaps that there is where he yelled at maybe there is some kind of time wound type thing like there's some type of rothkar or just you know what i mean he's echo sent forward in time or something like that but i don't know the relevance of this theory like what does this theory even prove like what is it how does it actually further the discussion of like really like what's the relevance of it oh he heard him cool that's about it you know uh the tribunal never actually existed i feel like this one's pretty wacky it just sounds a bit silly to me yeah trying to trying to justify that at all i'm like i can't be bothered that's just ridiculous um the next one orc tits is actually referencing michael kirkbride uh early early um pictures for basically he wanted them to be kind of like uglier and sort of more like piggish and basically they had six um nipples so there was like this i think it was a male orc picture and it's like you see him with like six nipples down a thing so it would be like a the orc women would have like you know six tits like like kind of like a pig or something you know i think wasn't there a thing in vanilla skyrim male orcs didn't have nipples really did i invent that thank you i can't remember i mean elder scrolls skyrim or let's all look at some topless okay don't look up skyrim orc nipples i didn't even i didn't even need to oh yeah i think i saw what you know they do yeah yeah um well i mean there's only one picture of a male walk put it that way the rest i mean what did you expect oh i think i saw what you saw as well wow all right yeah and i think it's referencing yeah they definitely haven't been there um and other things good lord uh the new man and i'm pretty sure this is just related to the amaranth ah there's been like four new man references yeah i think this is the thing like half of these are just kind of just different words for the same concepts but just put it different you know places in this right what's the next one um riemann rape baby so there is actually you could kind of view it like that if you wanted to in the way that when you have king kroll come to the the hill at sankator and the spirit of elysia comes to him you can kind of imagine that it is some like divine like you know i mean king kroll was kind of like taken over by its divinity and power and then went and you know made love into a hillock until he died so and then riemann's a product of that so perhaps there's a little bit of lack of consent going on there right so the idea is that roll wasn't able to properly consent i guess so as opposed to the hit as opposed to the hill wasn't able to say they were killed yeah let's be frank it's a meme for sure but i mean if you're trying to want to work with it that's probably as far as i feel like the amount of ways that we justify these theories we should all be lawyers i reckon we could make anything work if we can make this stuff work all right well we've got an exciting one coming up after the next one but the next one is richmond and narco primitivism so for this earlier in the law too in other law descriptions of the reachmen they weren't completely like a booger bone and skin kind of like cavemen and what you could go is you know anarcho as in like anacharism like you know something out of time like in a historical timeline like putting a pocket watch on a roman soldier for example is an an example of an anachronism in like a historical movie or something but then primitivism so wait sorry what is am i wrong or that could it mean anarchy in anarchy anarchy that's what i thought when i wrote maybe maybe sorry maybe it is whatever either way it's still it's the same um your problem either way yeah he's not he's not wrong with that idea because regardless yeah no i'm saying it could it could be it could be both in the way that if it was an anachronism then um it's primitivism in a time where everything else is advanced anyway this is just a little nod to how that they made the reachmen these like hyperbar barracks sort of skin and bones characters instead of like what they were in previous interpretations which they had a bit of danger worship and stuff but they weren't you know complete you know cavemen did you guys play the eso yeah what is it the the reach dlc the rainbow stuff yeah the gray mall is last bit what the hell is it called markup great is it just framework yeah because well graemer the way they do it they do the grey moors the big chapter dlc but you know how they like release the smaller anyway did you did you play through that i haven't actually played through it i've watched bits for it but i've also done all of the lore books and [ __ ] in it because that's what i'm actually interested in right right and um i did a video on the gods of the reach which is really really um it's cool i really like the richmond religion it's really important i just remembered something i told you about this true um who's the the bearded there's like a sword singer dude one of the main characters that pops up in a bunch of the the main quest yeah he lost his ability to get his spirit sword up right you know what i'm saying he's having some man issues and then he finds out that some ancient yokudan dude also had this problem and he came to skyrim and oh man it's so bad it who was it red eagle red eagle taught this dude that like if he just thinks about love and everything he cares about he can get his sword back up and it's like this weird really goofy like um red eagle that brutal reachman yeah it's just like he man it's all about the energy and vibes man and then this yokudan who couldn't get his sword up anymore he's like oh thanks man then he gets his sword up then this red guard in game gets his sword up too and the whole thing i was like oh this it made all these like cool characters and cool concepts just like this weird g-rated disney film i'm like yuck wow what by the way i did i was confused i thought didn't ever he was never a successful sword singer but he tried to revive it but failed and then he goes into a cave and like he what it looks at with some like etching etchings that red eagle made and then he's like oh my god my spirit saw and titus lyribord's like give me jump on that videos with that same plotline okay sure i just remember i remember it happened i was like oh by the way by the way i found the definition of a narco prim primitivism if you want also known as an is a political ideology that is a direct critique of the development of civilization so basically takes issue with shifting to agriculture from hunter gatherer um which has led to all these different problems and they wanna they argue that to return to the hunter-gatherer lifestyle um would be better i suppose right yeah kind of like tied in with paganism in some respects and returning to monkey stuff um but i mean yeah like actually in this instance but yeah anyway let's get on to the next one this is a good one you guys know all about turd helmets right oh yeah it's happened to me once well elaborate for us well um i have no idea there's actually there's another one is it literally like the helmets in game look like [ __ ] well like in oblivion everyone wears turd helmets i don't know maybe it's referencing the graphics or there's a helmet that actually looks like a [ __ ] i guess and i saw i saw it there's an obscure band helmet and their album is called greatest shits i thought it's gonna be a different type of helmet with turd on it i was like oh no no i haven't gone to images yet i haven't gone to images yet yeah i have no idea even i mean you guys should really be typing this stuff with elder scrolls like as part of the search term yeah that's a good point that's a good point well i think we can move on from turd helmets to dregs equals dragons yeah i just don't really vibe this one no i think there's a few things like equals dragons here and i'm just little could it be like previous calper as well like yeah but they were previously helper or something like that yeah i feel like anything as in they were tyrannical you could say they like they functioned in a similar way to the dragon the dragon's function in the current calper as opposed to them actually being dragons they just kind of filled that role of being tyrannical over men or something they they exist on the same in the current cap though together yeah except that yeah like any if they have intelligent life it's hidden away deep in the sea but yeah okay the next one's a bit vague just coders right well that's just coders so like um koda like obviously that's like there's michael kirkbride's coda which is just his like ending piece to um to uh tomorrow end essentially it's like his success because because a coder i think in music it's it's the ending to a to a song but it kind of changes something fundamental about the song i forget the exact definition for a coder and a piece of music for example the piece to the end together but there isn't there a change or something that happens um i mean as far as i know it's just like the part that kind of brings it to the final finish maybe it maybe it is i can't remember i just remember there being something about a substance like there's a change that happens in it so the example for morrowind's one is that it's like you know it takes from like a a fantasy world into what is like a sci-fi story essentially set on the moon with the dunmer and so on but then still like wraps up the story entirely because people go like oh coda makes it canon when they what they mean by that is not that like everyone just has coders like he the principle idea that coda puts forth is that elder scrolls is an inherently like interpretable sort of uh universe thing so like i mentioned how like shakespeare has all of these different plays and there's like you know hundreds of different versions of hamlet but you wouldn't necessarily some people would but the idea is that you don't go well that hamlet's not valid and that hamlet is and that's the only way a hamlet is supposed to be it's very accepted that hamlet is this sort of source material that gets interpreted and transformed as long as it maintains sort of these same important themes but then it you know transforms them in interesting ways they'll put it in a modern setting or a different setting stuff like that it's so coda isn't explicitly like just like head canon it's kind of like a a change up um well let's let's move on to alicia created dragons um i know she created the new pantheon and kind of akatosh um by forming you know multiple concepts together but well did she create akatosh it gets complicated because they'll say like you know this god spoke to this person but then was created later chronologically it doesn't make sense because of like the dragon cult before and all that kind of stuff but but the other thing there about because a god like god's sort of in and it's it's mentioned by vivec and even azura um but essentially that you can you can get the idea that god's there's like a god mind that they almost have there's the one that they're living in the world like vivec references he's like you know in his waking life but then there's also this god world kind of thing that kind of exists outside of time it doesn't inherently um it's not like time isn't chronological for god so for example if it was the idea that at least it created akatosh then the concept of akatosh enters the universe irrelevant of space and time so then when the concept of akatosh is there the concept of dragons the firstborn of akitosh aldo and stuff can happen but the insertion in time could be earlier or later or whatnot it doesn't matter because the concept is just their period if that makes any sense at all but it's when you have gods existing outside of time it changes things because the past is malleable in the same way that the future or president it's like like the same way that talos changed ceredo from jungles throughout all yeah like sorry the same way you changed it throughout all time you're saying at least you inserted akatosh throughout all time yeah i mean i don't technically i don't really necessarily buy into that one this theory was to be true yeah yes it's the same idea so the same idea that like because now and it's it's the easiest way to insert retcons but now cyridil never was jungle in do you know what i mean ever since talos you know did that so yeah ideas and concepts transcend time all right chair stacking slash furniture speaks um so remember this it was in a as a sixth house base in morrowind and there's poe grunt or something like that i car it's one of those dunmer you know the ancient dunmer strongholds the fortresses the kind of just yeah rectangle things um in the sewers there's a bunch of chairs that are stacked up and there's i think it's an ash goal or an ash slave or whatever and you get a sleeper isn't it i thought it was it's maybe it's one of those it's like he's got a grey head and then like this white middle parted hair it looks like your hair actually if it was white right anyway if you sneak you can go up and click on him and he won't attack you will open a dialogue box and he's complaining about how all the furniture is talking to him see if i can find it let me see if i can find this real quick speak amongst yourselves well we could we can just always pull the next one which is the thermal all right here we go the chairs the tables all confused we hear the words and must speak them we we take them and arrange them but still they will not be quiet everything is wrong this is not straight this is too high this is in my way we must put them right that's it and it's this guy see this little dude there he is yeah [Music] i'm gonna google things on my phone from now on because my keyboard is like made of land vines apparently the chairs the tables all confused this is this the quote you just read yeah yeah i just found it um i'm not sure if it's if it's just that one in the sewer or if that like you can sneak up to any of them and they'll say it but give it a crack not sure next one which you could kind of use as this idea that old maris is real in my mind it's similar to that like if tamriel is old maris and it's just a memory of their past but worship being the idea that they kind of glorify it and therefore it's real but in their head right yeah like their whole life ideology is built around an unachievable ideal basically and that ideal is aldmeris not because it's necessarily a physical thing but it's how they wish the elves were as opposed to a bunch of splendor factions so i guess it kind of like it's play essentially gets played up like a god um next one dregz rls and the only reference i can think of to this is in the 36 lessons of vivec when they are referred to as the ultima of the sea but that's about sure because they're annoying that's it um almalexia [ __ ] everyone except nerevar i love the accepting italics um so i mean almalexia yeah i know we did it with vivek and so on or it's heavily implied do you reckon that's a metaphor for like she screwed everyone over because that's more accurate but i mean she definitely but if it wasn't it wouldn't be except nerevar because she definitely screwed over nero yeah that's true didn't she also screw him they were married were they not yeah dude i'm sure they did this the idea is the meme literally everyone except nervous and morrowind is it just like it's like nerevar was a [ __ ] meme it's like i was thinking that she was too busy screwing everyone else literally and metaphorically had no time for nerevar um quantum akka spirits this would be probably related to this concept we talked about on the akatosh podcast about the akka oversoul but i'm sure it's a thing that kirk bride has expanded upon um can we just get like i'm gonna get the definition of quantity a discrete quantity of energy proportional in magnitude to the frequency of the radiation it represents all of these oh i get it yeah all of the quantum machines like all of the atari quantum figures that shed their skin as each aspect of them becomes more and more self-aware um the akka tusk is a particularly old and needed version of the time dragon from the days of theonophy um i don't know i don't know is it i think there's this slapping cool world yeah like maybe quantum doesn't need to be there and it's kind of exactly what we talked about on the akatosh podcast you know yeah i'm gonna say yes i wasn't there yes tomorrow wind that's another kirk i think it's like a magazine kind of thing like an online magazine tomorrow end today oh gosh like a future it's a it's like a fan related thing right i thought it was like i thought it was a joke because the word morrow means does that mean tomorrow they used to say that in medieval times on the morrow well yeah on the morning like in the morning yeah because morrow just means morning and then i've heard people refer to it as well as like any like futuristic like i remember if it is a code because it's not exactly quite a bit like a a future um or a winter on like a like a um site like if you would imagine i guess a sci-fi morrowind like but no i'm on tomorrow today.com oh yeah like that's the side with all the magazine wow it's like all this magazine style stuff with it's it's code release how much time does kirkbride have on his hand i don't understand he's employed by another company and he's by the way there's so much stuff this is unrelated but this is circling back to what you're talking about with like the the red eagle um stuff and how he got the sheehai and all that kind of stuff that just gives me so much anxiety now because now i'm like oh now it's in the law that second era spirit swords are a thing now elder scroll six can kind of have like more reasonable you know what i mean like idea of including it yeah as like the main replacement for your thumb i think now i'm just sort of like the antagonist of the of the dlc was an ancient yukudan vampire and he came to the reach looking to fix his his sword his spirit sword issue and then what's his name the red guard with the big beard finds that out and like retraces his steps finds the cave and he's like dude red eagle was like a hippie man and then they all get their big swords up together and they're all like dude because that ancient vampire thing's like al saban he says do you want me to show you the cut that sundered yokuda except in a much more badass doesn't it so he's like yeah that that split or sundered it's one of those words but it's like oh as a thing all right yeah he's like i'll show you the pancrato sword basically but but tomorrow it's just a play on words it's like it's nothing it's a magazine um yeah exactly like for the for the magazine it's not like anything actually law related coder related stuff and speaking of which the second pocket guide to the empire this was created by kirkbride i think like just a second one filled with out of game lore because in is it the one that's actually in the is the first one and then there's a third one here oh hello what happened did i drop out whoa did you drop it no we did everything me too everyone's still recording i'm still recording yeah just check you're all recording cool all good all right okay group zero sum oh wow sorry what did you just what did you just say the second pocket card to the empire i was saying i i think there's there's two in game right and there's the first pocket guide to the empire and the third first and third and i spent so long looking for the second one like it didn't even occur to me that it wouldn't be in the game i'm pretty sure the first you know the first pocket guide to the empire i'm pretty sure is actually one of the booklets that comes with all the pocket guides i think are just booklets that came with the game so it came with red guard adventures and that's and then that's when it had all of this cool stuff written um and it was sort of setting up the law for morrowind and everything and then we you know got morrowind and also it at the coolest depictions of skyrim and cyrodiil but we ever you know we didn't really get those and the third pocket guide to the empire i'm pretty sure came with oblivion collectors right so correct yeah because eso adds an improved pocket guide but that's not the second pocket guy the second pocket guide was yeah it was canon stuff yeah yeah the second podcast yeah okay i haven't i'm not even sure i don't think i've read that i'm gonna have to investigate after there are some interesting theories i don't remember what video i was making but i found something i needed in the second pocket guide to the empire and i was like oh i'll just jump in game and get some footage of it i spent like three hours searching all the games and like the files and stuff i'm like where the where is this thing and then i dug deep and was like it doesn't exist like oh my god you bastard so what do you guys think about pneumanteus phd is it pneumanteus or is it pneumoniae i mean is either a coda or uncoder that's the first google result should i stop googling that sounds ridiculous yeah let's uh let's uh red button that one and move on to jagarthan and like what maybe his vampiric nature of how he actually took on the form of the emperor and was an imposter and all this but it's like it kind of becomes the equivalent of just our like you know the the our worlds george bush is elizabeth man so is the queen a lizard man the ces he's just the swap for a lizard after you playing it down scott i think scott from fudge mop it's a lizard man too we should add that one yeah it's on your agenda to uh make it sound like some silly thing that only crazy people believe in scott only crazy yeah it's gonna say humans don't have calves that big man yeah you're hiding something exposed the right reaching this is i've the right reaching is in the 36 lessons of evac yeah so uh this it's part of the scripture of the wheel it's in the fifth scripture look at the majesty sideways and all you see is the tower which ancestors made idols from look at its center and all you see is the begotten hole second serpent womb ready for the right reaching exact and without enchantment so so make of that what you've got um yeah so it's like referring to that ogden destroyed old maris i mean i i don't believe it but i guess this is the idea that the leader of the sea elves who was banished to pioneer um well i guess leader of the seals he is now but um that he's kind of like immortalish yeah like he's just been the ruler for like thousands of years yeah i wonder if it's a title and not a person what like the gray fox or something how it's been lots of different people yeah it just gets passed on it could be but they talk about the leader having this i'm sure they could pick it on emotional attributes but like this you know this revenge and this hate and like all this this toxic energy towards the like ultima people so but there is the same like i can imagine the high elves being simply like oh yeah he was banished to plan deny but maybe it was some like brutal civil war or something and then organum did something to sunder old maris and actually blew up the island if you take it as an exact place it'd be weird to not have that written down anywhere like what are they defending him or something like i don't know um maybe just like downplaying him you know if you can destroy a whole continent that just adds to how like you know scary and powerful he is i guess maybe but you can't get to somerset giant swirls uh i guess this is talking about the paint designs on the giants right oh sorry oh yeah yeah and there's stones the cows yeah the cows and stones yeah much to say there or not really is there anything there or is it just literally but it's cool there's a reason why they paint with swells but i'm i'm forgetting it now i thought it was kind of like acknowledgement as well of kirk bride's writing yeah well that's the i'm unless that's what i was thinking it might be referenced to the kirkbride i think it's from the seven fights of the eldo dagger um or elder dagger or whatever it is that the cat painted cows are mentioned and then that was then canonized into skyrim with these painted cows so that was yeah that was the idea that they the humans would put the swirls on the cow to signify it was an offering so that's another example of just like why i guess like even coder and stuff exists is that there's been lots of examples of like people writing out of law things and then they get canonized or certain interpretations of fans and then in the later games they sort of become canonized so there is kind of a little bit of back and forth with the fans and their theories and law and stuff into um the actual games so i guess that's kind of like more so justifies it yeah sky lamps yo huh uh that's the thing that was in supposed to be in morrowind it's in the concept yeah tell us what it's meant to be but there's a picture of someone holding up a massive orb that's lit up and a flying thing i don't know if it's a cliff racer like keeping it away they were related or something like some gaseous thing it's basically a creature that never made it wait the sky lamp is a creature yeah so they're what the hell wiki so sky lamps are volunt creatures native to morrowind they are often described as big gas bags with spears for feet and share a similar nature to cliff races it's sometimes suggested they were natural predators of dragons having run them out of vardenfell by overwhelming their territory in numbers despite initially being used as prey by dragons it's also said the sky lambs ate all the dragons the province but this is completely like this says appearances it says morrowind mentioned only as a source here but i'm not sure like this is like concept art stuff so it didn't actually make it into the actual game aren't all the sources unofficial oh no it says mentioned only in morrowind yeah i'm not sure what it actually unless it was an offhand line but like the rest of the stuff like all that elaborate information there is all from um unofficial sources unofficial sources i guess they would be related to natchez in some way just being like full of gas oh apparently there's a restoration spell called sky lamps shadow that's in the game what does it do uh increases your speed cool so you can run away i guess because there's you get the shadow on you and you go oh [ __ ] maybe anyway we didn't really get this creature you know so yeah okay the next thing after sky lamps is almalexia underking connection um [Music] so what was that and the under king having like some sort of connection there oh i think she i think she screwed him she fought alongside wolfhath in some um yeah so that's and that's only if you i guess you believe under king is is me wolf or was at one point or what not but um yeah and this is the ebonheart pact stuff where oh you're skull you know the skull king and yeah and almalexia fought alongside easy wolf which just does not seem matched up but whatever but plus i'm alexia wasn't even uh if i recall correctly she wasn't even really the reason wolfhoff was called i'm fairly sure that was yeah who i think with the help of the great i'm not sure if it was older like pre-eso law or something there was some other thing there i'm not sure i can't but look i just don't really buy into this being some i mean that they would have met like if you talk about zoran arctus like whenever the treaty was signed with the tribunal that gave them the numidium they would have met then and there's always a chance that oh well maybe there was some like bit of conspiring or something that maybe or even possibly like literally i'm just saying they would have connected at that point in history if they're referring to zurin arctus as the under king yeah all right how about kid joe so typing his name it's uh seems he's either a while like an alid or i mean it sounds like a khajiit doesn't it is that or he's the author of the wild elves book or was kia joe cho oh he is i don't know it's it's yeah because i'm on a i'm on a law talk section of the wiki and i can't find it and people are saying like kia joe of where were you when the dragon broke and then someone's saying where does the kia joe quote come from and then someone's saying um turns out douglas goodall posted an early entry of where were you when the dragon broke on the forums and the jeet's entry was by the author kia joe instead of whoever it is in the final version it's funny kircho sounds uh like yeah but um chovak kind of sounds safe yes like savory and chorak maybe it's a sayasi that did some vampiric stuff on a kitchen it's like a hybrid yeah these dudes are popping off every like 10 things that cse come up yeah well how about amaranth anon i've heard before that that anu like the that force was the previous like amaranth to become the godhead or something right like it gets a little what would that mean well i guess maybe if you think about it like maybe like two sides of a brain i guess like a chaotic element maybe the actual consciousness is residing in so like it's essentially like two god heads going at it and anu being the amaranth one like the newer one but i guess more so like you know how anu is potential on like potential of things and life and so on whereas the other is just sort of this like i mean do you want me to send void in the limitations sure okay i'm gonna send what's it from who knows well it's not necessarily person-less when you think about it because it's kind of like shadows on like amaranth right and on which is said to have occupied the passageways of heaven and earth because everyone above and below asks amaranth anon a new aei if they cannot find the passage look who caused i think it is roughly getting at the idea it like that that anu is is the godhead and panama just kind of being the limitations on the being i don't know it gets worse well i guess they they kind of are because they're the they're the next things down tap out like it is it's just yeah it's just i knew wanting to experiencing itself then panama comes in to kind of allow it to do that but yeah whatever the way i feel like as soon as it gets these like godhead super astral weird theories we're all like oh all right kim by school that sounds cool like you just achieve or chimber achieve it's not gonna say i think i've seen will burger do that a few times yeah i guess it's just transforming by taking a lot of skoom all right i've done that a few times actually but yeah because i guess like the khajiit do um they don't condone that because they say don't overdo it otherwise you'll lose your you'll lose your weight just kim kim and skooma is it and you'll just be watching a music video of characters from morrowind photoshopped onto power rangers and other things with music lit um the next one is actually a i've heard theory before the yr founded fourth eryth thalmor and the yr is uh the guy commenting the like the elven guy commenting on the first pocket guide to the empire so when they're saying like things like you know that um it's like one in ten baby ah sorry only nine in ten babies are killed um for eugenic reasons in the somerset isles he like kind of is responding and adding notes to this pocket guide so sort of throwing a bit of shade on it so i guess the idea is that um this is why our guy founded the thermal which is it's outside of the wire doesn't like the empires because you know i you know there's no like strong grounding for that i don't think i'm feeling pretty fried i don't know about you three uh that killed time um inadvertently he would have uh yeah in the sense that um i don't know giving them the numidium kind of i mean i mean unless he means like quite literally like even in like the like i think the idea is kind of remember type of septum dying of old age but um because he outlived his own son because that's why pelagia is the first his grandson gets in so but unless there is something like the vex showed up and killed type of septum or something um next one yeah oh no yeah okay arius a-r-i-u-s is this a character or something we might have to arius is the supposed god of fire who is worshiped by primitive tribal people who lived on an unspecified island in order to appease the god the people would once a year sacrifice a child to the god if the natives failed to fulfill this tribute arius was believed to erupt the island volcano which would result in the death of hundreds of villagers right and this is sourced from the generate class page on the elder scrolls arena the first one no really it's like yeah so really obviously you're really old that's an example of something not anymore and it's saying possibly that lake aries and aries that's what i thought of we're named lake arias yeah caverns from oblivion where the mythic dawn are and they're quite the fiery people aren't they hmm i guess the deadline is full of fire too the parliament of craters what do you think does it feel like this is some isn't that 36 lessons yeah there's always those books mention like a hundred odd factions you know yeah it says there nerevar was greeted by the parliament of craters who knew him by title and resented his presence for he was to be a ruling king of earth and this was the lunar realm they shifted around him in a pattern of entrapment by the way the thing about the vet killing tiber septim is in a like kind of talked about in a thing called partial interview with vivec on the imperial library so yeah okay so there's like some out of cannon basis for the idea um what do we think about lost twill what's mentioned in the riemannarder isn't it so it seems like it's a location somewhere in the kind of colovian highlands area because uh it says uh yeah king roll set out from the lands beyond lost will with a sortie of questing nights numbered 18 less one of course it's such an easy way to make a text to poetic isn't it you just get the number you want to say and then you add something to it and then say this less this so if you want to say 15 you say the 17 last two and it's like there's two there's two extra quotes from there's a kirkbride one that says twill as twilight grey may be orbis he's knights numbered 18 less one the number of the hurling disc but then there's a loading screen in eso that says the official if histories of the first empire state that when empress alicia's forces captured white god tower all the aylid's evil relics of arcane power were taken and destroyed but duke quail of twill insisted until his dying day that an elf king escaped with the chief's artifacts right right oh and someone saying it was an archaic term for greater clovia anyway we move on to thalmor time control i don't know about you but it just reminds me of this whole idea we talked about once with the mirror logicians fighting the numidium through time um and that kind of stuff i mean you could apply it to other things imagine using i don't know if it would be possible to use time control to make the moons disappear or come back but um what do you think any examples um not really i don't know i always get the vibe that the thalmor are less competent than people give them credit for like they're competent but then also incompetent you know what i mean like i don't like i don't know if they were so powerful and so good and they have all this time-bending stuff well just do it just erase just just like you know what i mean yeah but then it's kind of like a lot of games like i mean you look at fallout 4 for example we know 100 like the institute has the power to do all this stuff and there's constant things in the game where you just think why didn't you teleport why didn't you just do this and then teleport here and then win do you know what i mean like there's always going to be that why didn't gandalf use his magic to do xyz kind of take this i mean yeah like there's there's so many instances where the foul more kind of like try to play themselves up as being more powerful than they actually are like taking credit for things that just coincidentally happen that a lot of it is like um you know deceptive so i feel like if they had any if there were any claims of time control it would probably be something similar i can't think of a single example of time control or possible time control by the thumb except unless you're getting into like dragon breaks but like unless they like chose where algebra landed like we need another distraction i can think of an example from the ultimate heist quest where you use the hourglass um in the imperial palace basement to open up an entrance to the old way which allows you to get passage through the sewers and then still ultimately steal an elder scroll and that's unique that's with the glass of time and it makes you wonder how do they use that to or how could that be used for other purposes is it just to open this one escape thing for empress to use in the sewers or can you actually mess with time in it in a more targeted way like nobody knows what that is and why that's there it's next to the massively oversized club and the gigantic chair and the hourglass there's another person unless it's like the thalmor got control of it when they secured the imperial city for that briefing yeah i don't know i mean yeah where it's from but i'm making a video on it oh yeah the next one is the striking or exact egg cracking which is from michael kirkbride more about the citric endeavor and the sigic endeavor being the sort of um like the triangle truth the basically the velocity philosophy kind of thing is it says the new man yeah it says uh well i don't know this is quite representations of the kim and by extension the citric endeavour are always protein values such as anu midi models renowned by the dwemer the scarab of contemporary astrologers and the striking exact egg cracking of old argonia so yeah afghani related i'm just reading a thing here where it's like what is the exact egg cracking and then it seems like a michael koch bright answer the hissed version of the new man rather the way they would do it right anyway um i think we can move on to uh the wilderland or the wilderland uh which part so let's do it with the wilder king that's what i was thinking but i can't [Music] uh is it in this king edward yeah i think so yeah cyrodiil is only referred to as the wilderlands because of how violent it is supposedly okay obscure reference i guess yeah i mean that's all i see with it that's a good one next um sentient thrash so thrash being the big um like i guess country or island continent whatever that um the slow to come from because that's you know been undersea maybe that's okay i think because so in the elder scrolls the coral is sentient and thras had the coral tower at least and i don't know if thras is made of coral oh that's true it is it could potentially be a sentient city because we're thinking it's made of sentient corals those yeah land coral the sentient land yeah yeah that could be that's it that's the best i got i think that's the best we're going to get i like it i like it well there's nothing uh i don't know if there's much right sermon zero who wants to do this one because uh um i mean it's that secret uh douglas goodall um it's it is what it is it's i don't know it's a cemetery it is what it is it's more complicated than writing it it's very complicated it it's just it's more stuff explaining now that i think of it so sorry to you but if you were to make a video on the sermons of vivec like how long is that video going to be not even that like what's the cost to you that's what it is the time costs not even that your you're mentally healthy you're crazy yeah here's the um the interesting takeaway i guess that breaks it down nicely on you asp is um there's secret messages in here um so one of the secret messages is the ghost of a god is no man and vivec committed no crime and then another one to the dwemer and oblivion belong belong this treasure and they are dead so and then there is also white gold net merchants muzoraya hold the key on 1200 in the lightning struck dragon tower i bind to these danger guardians under the seed apple lattice so make sense of what dude for the first 20 words i thought you were reading the next one i was like oh my god what the hell is that it's just one big yeah no okay let's uh let's move on from that one um where are we ebony listening frame ah so this is a 36 lessons thing again i think or it might be another kirkbride thing but i've heard basically the explanation that it's an allegory for like vagina um it's how he killed one of the actually it might even be the demon she's got some something for you yeah the ebony listening frame refers to the female sex organs when used as a weapon against izmir by smothering his head yeah and i'm pretty sure that happens i'm fine in the what to call it oh my god it's stronger there are instances of this happening the first is when vivek uses his muattra as the ebony listening frame against izmir in sermon nine and the second is when cyrus uses his enchanted helmet against talos in the sword meeting again this is all very uh just feels very out of law um or like very interpreted i mean it's based on something there is then there's interpretations that come from because it's relation of event too is like remember vivec being a hermaphrodite possessing both and you know the ebony listening frame or malwatra being like the yeah the penis the spear oh he said a naughty word all right all right let's go um he's chilean wars so i'm assuming that's referencing the jill as in those female invisible dragons that fix time wounds that are warring with the hist in the ninth era there you go yeah what is that text actually from is it just called kinmune probably okay yeah one of them oh boys i found it i found it the lost twill yeah there it is the lost twill is written twice yeah is that like lost it's not like a secret message to that like it means there's two meanings of the lost twelve it means it was lost and there it is it's right there okay we have cold harbor slash clockwork tamriel and i guess the one thing that the one like first thing that stands out to me is as like the clockwork city was designed to be a replacement for like nirn right like he's kind of like so the seals perfected nirn and then you've kind of got cold harbor that's also like well at the very least is replicating tamriel as in some sort of like you know it's a destroyed kind of version so unless there is some kind of connection there and maybe why are these metaphysical beings all trying to replicate tamriel slash nerd i don't know but i don't know what there is to that outside of that the crimson i feel like that's yeah we're hoping straight to the next one just is this okay uh the last living cothrin trying to escape the flu on a ship dubbed the crimson ship oh yeah okay and it never returned right nobody ever knows where that ship went it just kind of sailed off and that's the end of all traces of it i'm just trying to find the the exact source of that oh yeah hold on look at ringgit thringy and the crimson ship um yeah there's some pocket guide stuff here but also in the cajon blue cotton floor is that how you say it i guess everyone knows the heart and fluid i don't well that's what i say but i don't know um the uh yeah so i i guess it's just the idea that maybe it's out there so it left the shores of blackmail what happened in the second there are 563 only to be turned back at every point and then after a year they reached hammerfell um and with no one to shelter them they sailed west to the abyssine sea um the book pirates of the abyssinian tells a tale of the discovery of the ship found a drift by a group of pirates oh it's entire crew dead the tale appears to be fictional though as no official records exist that confirm the discovery of the ship so i guess it's like did they find it all dead or did it just keep going and where did they go a khajiit beggar claimed to have been on the ship that encountered the vessel during his service in the imperial army blaming the event for his misfortunes however the reliability of his testimony is questionable and the people of hammerfell have they memor they memorialize it as the um day of shame nobody leaves their house for it is told the crimson ship will return on this day okay elder scrolls six quest that's what that is yep it's coming it is storming of the citadel i don't know why and i don't think it is this exactly a lot of citadel there's a lot of citizens so not blades legends elder scrolls the card game what about it is that what it's referring to the uh when they reclaim the um imperial city for some not reason i thought it would actually be the um when morrow house and like the early the first time they like is referred to the citadel i think they do refer to as do they call white gold the citadel at one point the citadel almost fall is a quest in the elder scrolls online um the the citadel i i know that i i feel like this is the um they only refer to the tower of white gold i think uh let's see but yeah it could it could be that yeah because i guess that that's it's just one of the instances it's one of those things where it's just vague enough to be like there's a lot of storming of a lot of citadels like the citadels of the sixth house is another thing like you know citadel is a word used around the place and then came the storming of white gold so it does actually call it the storming as well so it's probably referring to um to pelinal going ahead and and his fight with umril what about ultimary form wars is this like really old like dawn stuff is that in the great wall this is where it was i don't know i guess it's just the the fact it's plural form wars kind of insane on the damn thing where the other is anyone got anything not nope all right next one jaeger jagram begun made new medium well i guess so he won't translate the plans about it and seems what to know about it he he explicitly said he wasn't a part of that project but yeah he he says okay i'll bring it up but may he i mean he could be lying about that maybe he didn't want to be interrogated associated with it after what was his rank though was he that was karger and acted chief turner architect or was jagram he was a yeah jagram was a master craftsman who served who was the chief architect yeah but he says that he wasn't part of the team who worked on uh the numidium oh he's so was he's shifting blame so yeah he very well could be but then again he's no one's going to hold him accountable anyway can you imagine if the person who made this iceberg meme is just watching this laughing their head off at us because half of the stuff they wrote is not even real how about that probably the uh sons of what so that's referenced i think in another kirkbride thing of course in new harter of the sphinx moth inquiry tree um tiber septim says the line the storm crown meant uh i can't even see it says manted or mantled i don't know by the way of the fourth the steps of the dead mantling and incarnation are separate roads do not mistake this the latter is built from the cobbles of drawn bone destiny the former walk like them until they must walk like you this is the death of this is the death children bring as the sons of horror dunno sick love it this is just all i'm doing i feel so frightened i read honestly i don't want to like let's just keep going what is this although we're making good problems i can't read those right that's how i read it i guess i i don't know i can't read closely like hercules and a kaleidoscope fused if it was like a greek dude i would imagine clyde please uh does anyone look yeah i don't know what that is um okay i can see a thing to a cockpit post somewhere hold on okay all right here we go here's the sentence in brackets first shape out of brackets was untranslatable which was good to us but difficult which was also good to us best descriptions came from the edges kaleidocles dancing myriada to the song of meal okay rydo um the next one though we're kind of somewhat familiar with is the aylids bird people which is the idea that the aylids weren't elves but they actually were the bird people right that they i mean there's a lot of theories about the bird people but i think that's what this one would be referring to or that they at least took on a whole bunch into yeah or took on a whole bunch of their like motifs and stuff and we see oh yeah yeah you see a lot of birds yeah in their artwork and stuff yeah but uh i don't know i don't really vibe it that much in elder scrolls online i mean i think in cold harbor you meet the last king of the ayleids who looks like an elf and he's not a bird person so yeah i'd imagine they literally won't burn people i mean you meet aliens in elder scrolls for oblivion as well in that same ultimate heist quest i was talking about where you go back in time the statues yeah there's two statues after you use the arab extrication to open one of the doors oh yeah yeah there's like an arrow with a little aren't they just statues though they're statues but they come to life and they're called like a lid something and they these statues very tall elven figures in elven armor so yeah i made a video about the 10 like uh hardest to find the unique items in oblivion and both of those statues have a weapon that drops each i think one's amazing one's a sword but to get you have to do all this crazy stuff to get it because if you pick it up it disintegrates in your inventory and there's these like it takes like 20 minutes to do this method to get the two weapons to get weapons in the game now they're terrible like they'll probably be like elven or just replica or something yeah they are the elven yeah they have a different name so they're unique yeah they're called a lid garden uh guardians but they were really big like they're taller than you they're like kind of set scale or i thought that was just like magic statues i mean they're shaped like who knows eh look i feel like look it i feel like it would have been more explicit in the songs of pelinol and early talents if they were like literally bird people you know if um you know the statue you get in oblivion in bruma that like for being the champion and everything and they built a statue of you and whatever you were wearing at the time so if you were wearing no clothes but a helmet with a staff that's what it'll be you can actually use console commands to select it and press kill and it will like fall down like a body just come in texture and then you can use the staff of worms to reanimate it and it comes back and it's super big except it's no longer a statue and um it speaks as well and almost like she's saying say lines to you and be this gigantic standing person that's pretty cool yeah all right well let's do uh dragon tasks and the only thing i can think of by association is you know they refer to it as the akka tusk which is like the big oversoul like akka being the oversoul of all of the different time gods like aldo and akatosh oriel but so maybe dragons have tasks although they do in doesn't uh the ones in elsewhere and stuff have like they kind of have like the tusky look i don't know who like the the the big dick dragon is called grunting green dude he's got like six big tusks he's got like they look like horns but then they come out the side of his head and from under his chin too i'm pretty sure his name is cal grunter i think or something but that guy's his design is sick yeah well i guess there you go some dragons do have tusks mystery solved all right um the next one is egg of time again lorcan's heart the egg of time well but the the egg of time is in italics right so that means it's the egg of time is the book which is kind of like this davinci looking thing with the tools and the heart um i don't know what that means lukan's heart the egg of time what about it well i mean lorkhan's hearts in it yeah yeah i mean um maybe it's true next unless he's trying to say like they're saying that law khan's heart is the egg of time like that's what it's actually referring to guys i just i just but move on to the next one because we have the best one on the list which i've just lost because this list is so crazy but i think i can stay off my heart could lactate genetic memory do they like water because water is memory as we talked about well is there some everything is there a text where like uh the khajiit breastfeeding memories to their babies or something like that i don't know like i but i guess but wouldn't that apply to everything if they're trying to make the argument that you know like water is memory and then you know you drink water and you're made up of water then you get memories like that doesn't really make sense i feel like it's too specific to not have some like uh reason that it's although then again they can just you know just write whatever they want and we'll like research it and expect it's got to be real um i can't find anything about milk something about khajiit are body snatches from the past that's all i'm finding [Music] damn i was hoping for some funny book from daggerfall or something but well that's a yikes for me guys let's move on um the prisoner so i guess that is should be pretty simple that's the reference to um your character and all of the okay well it's actually since maureen were you a prisoner in daggerfall because you were sent as an agent but i don't know if you i can't remember if you're disguised as a prisoner or something i don't remember the arena in the arena you're trapped in a dungeon so i guess you'll and a prisoner of a kind but regardless i guess the metaphysical idea is that you know the prisoner is you playing the game like in the elder scrolls series like you always start off as like someone who's been jailed or whatnot so like sort of someone with a great amount of agency i don't know if there's a larger meta idea in law but it's just a convenient way to get the player where they need to be really isn't it the prisoner how about the eight how about the 82nd croto i have zero i think we all know that one we don't even need to yeah yeah yeah yeah that nobody hasn't heard please um red god form madness please note that i personally haven't a clue as to the discussion that took place here in reading the following you may notice a few passages written by 82 croto i was just like a member of like a forum thing and del croto is uh i don't know it's a bit uh 82 croto yeah it seems to be a forum thing 82 crore of provincial studies this has got a thing where they're saying my michael kirkbride is in this or something and he was saying how to pronounce things and it's saying like zlamar is like dwayne i've already seen that don't get me started done doner is dunemere and kymon camel what's your take on the dwemer is it the dwemer or the dwemer where do you stand i think well this i don't ever remember anyone saying it in elder scrolls online but i think they say dwemer right because what happened was the like because all the games didn't have much voice acting in morrowind azir does his speech when you killed degotheur and she says like the failed folly of the dwemer right and that's where you and then in skyrim when you talk to fallion the guy in uh morthal right he says that he's met he's met the he says he's met them and he calls them the dwemer so like the two characters that say their name and who have actually met them both so do whatever it's someone with one of those speech impediments actually saying the dreamer oh that's pretty good i don't mind that i tell you what it's actually more conce it can you know makes it more realistic in the way like you know tomato tomato like people do pronounce things differently in the world but i don't think i've ever heard dwayne no that's just the thing he was saying um oh and on that same list i can remember i think bosma the s is silent it was like boma or something okay um city of rock creek that's from it's from a book in daggerfall i'm pretty sure i was reading that recently yeah i think it was a location in iraq um too when i was i made a video recently 10 rare elder scrolls creatures and this book's got a wombat in it it's something it's an imperial town in black marsh that gets cursed and uh like a plague comes and a witch curses the town and all the businesses leave and the lord's like oh no my town and his daughter has a magical wombat and he's like mr wombat please i just want um i just want one business to stay in my town and never leave and the wombat's like well you've always been a [ __ ] to me so and he builds this uh business at like in like the gate of the town and then everyone gets stuck inside the fortress and they can't leave because this business is in the way for eternity um and i think they all eat each other and the irony being the wombat is like the first thing to go because they all get trapped in this this thing i think the wombat there's the god of animals in daggerfall called is or is and the wombat was like his right hand man look i'm i think it's good that they wreck on some things out of existence say yeah i mean yeah who would have lived there but it sounds unusual silly is putting a description for let me just would this have been an argonian town i think it was in in imperial living town you know when the imperial imperials built heaps of cities and towns in uh black black black marsh jesus okay yes this is at the time of yeah so this is rock creek also known as rock park rock park where the wombats live yeah i mean if you look at that it sounds like a wildlife park yeah it seems like rock park's the preferred name the thing that's confusing me is uh it says at some point prior to did i explain okay correct never mind i've totally mixed up my dates yeah okay are we still talking about it yeah it's a weird place all right we can move to atmora old maris inversion um i don't know if it's unless it's kind of i don't know just it's their like invert they're both like the the uh the frontiers of human versus elves and the middle ground is tamriel version be like them you know but what's the inversion some weird thing oh okay so maybe this is referring to the idea of alt mora the idea that atmora was an elven place and not a human place right uh perhaps yeah i don't know that theory i'm getting so frightened so i'm so like firing yeah i think what you were talking about drew is kind of like the area that it is about yeah but um yeah i'm surprised our brains are working that's right there's a thousand and eight weapons of rapture uh well let's talk about 200 i don't know i guess i'm gonna if there's 36 lessons yeah guess who wrote about it so the requisite uh the requisite uh ada kaimelik holding tendrils activated preventing imperial collapse impossible uh impossibly or whatever the uh the amulet of kings granted to the cocoon council that the spore dream at arda 8aedra eat the dreamer he immediately stored in the 1008 ceredillic weapons of rapture you know whatever that means it's transcribed from a spore dream of an unidentified evaporating moth priest that reached to zero sum so okay have some of that perfect sense how about foul more ufos boys uh google has nothing for that foul more ufos of course um okay um well that's just a meme maybe anyone that levitates is a ufo because it's bands they're like what could that be well yeah if it's unidentified flying thalma i don't know um uh tiber and harold died 108 and i'm pretty sure that's just a coincidence between type of septum and king harold dying on the signing at 108 i don't even want to double check but i'll do it anyway what they died in the same like the same age they must be the same person connected uh wait but it says died so it's like saying they're the same it's like saying i've never seen drew and batman in the same room before like i have yes so he died you know this is way early this is like first era stuff but yeah he died at 108 and so did tiber septim so i mean you know it kind of goes back to the other point about tiber septim being killed by vivec but the idea that tiber septim just chilled in his in his later years and just died of old age seems like i don't you know i'm not getting conspiratorial and saying it's a cover-up but i feel like there's got to be something else going on like i don't know i feel like after the whole um new medium thing and coincidentally the other two getting sucked into the mantela or however that worked and him just being totally fine and walking away from it and not being affected in any way and then just dying of old age it all seems a bit boring considering his life before that yeah so i don't even know if he died at 100 oh here we go the adamantius scroll rocket yeah i have no clue i couldn't find anything about it is that it does sound like you're insane it kind of reminded me of the scroll of a dom file like some random thing that has some obscure source and that's it is it like the adamantia tower is a rocket yeah it's it must have some powered by elder scrolls yeah i mean that's all i can think of what and then the magnegi when they fled they flew in a rock you need rocket like you need something pointy to pierce the the veil and create you know star-shaped holes i don't know sure yeah i did i don't know i've heard that round topped right better right like pointy that's just like a dictator thing yeah it doesn't need to be pointed it just looks i think we should rock it on to the next one too many movies because i'm pretty sure means so is this saying the handy is this just a yeah sorry or is it some like out break it down again so guar talk means hand in daedric and it's referenced plenty time with 36 lessons and it just says the gartoki and i'm like is this god like like handy oh usually e on the end of something and i know this is very like our world is plural the hands yeah like it could be the hands yeah um foul more and gigolo did we do this already i feel this one definitely came yeah was it but did it was a phrase differently like yeah like worship jesus christ allied with him and that's why they rose to prominence basically i i think it was like ultimate like i don't know who cares yeah yeah because they were important um not quite as important as they are now but they were they were important in the past as well before gigalag became his own freedom oh god so i don't really see um mentioned in the 36 sermons um yeah so i'm just looking the hand of padami and the hands all that yeah right he's weapons um anyway let's get back on track and do moth eaters is that people trying to level up their alchemy in skyrim it could be oh man unlock that the one effect that's it it's my best [Laughter] all the time i would just eat everything to get effects yeah i think you made it like as when you were a kid ah you stayed moths it's a love yeah and what it is klexographic league that's i just literally have no idea what does clexographic mean yeah that i think i was trying to say that last episode when we were trying to explain what league was and it was that word and i kept saying uh kaleidoscopic and i was like oh no that's not it i don't know what it is oh sorry i know what it is okay so he is that inkblot image thing oh okay right like a rorschach image right yeah yeah yeah that's what we said yeah it's the kirkbride's idea was that like a good way to imagine league is like the the if you fold over wet a piece of paper with wet ink on it the um you know the print that's left on the other side that's kind of what an adjacent place is i'd never heard the term like i wonder if like you're getting achieving real sharp tests like you know we're going to some pretty deep lore right now you know how we um what i wonder if like achieving kim or zero sum right if it actually feels like you're melting because like i feel like i'm melting going through this all right like does this like just melt into a pile of ash that's right we're nearly at the bottom of vivek so we're on the final run we can do this the whole thing no no no no no no way you're kidding what do you mean absolutely no man we're only an hour and a half we can do this we've still got another 20 topics together okay let's let's let's take it easy look at the speed um ha note equals marion's dagon so high note he is in 36 lessons of vec i think pretty sure it's i'll pull it up again isn't that none oh no here is how city face hid from his mother father it had been more born named as har note a bare urge of power an esoteric wind nerve tuned to the frequency of huddled masses so unless that's some like vague poetic reference hold on city face was the sixth monster to escape the vex muatra and was originally named hanot or is it hanote i don't know but yeah anyway so i guess the idea is that this is mehrunes dagon um theory kind of kind of sound like this a bear urge of power an esoteric wind nerve tuned to the frequency of huddled masses if that's like kind of like revolution like you know how it's like the masses usually instigate revolution not like the top of society maybe that's me looking too much into it or something but anyway that is we've got another of that theory here another uh yeah xeronactus is versus so i guess unless versus douchey survived and it wasn't him that was killed and he took on the skin of zurin arctis and then so this versa do sh bag that sounds like a meme king's cough the king has a cough that's sick yeah i don't know i think like king of skyrim shouting king or maybe unless it's like some reference like you know king wolf like yeah no to a rule with a like you could only write down his um laws and stuff because the lessons of evac it is i thought that was his excuse for not talking the king's got a coffee the king's cough and the hyperlink to it um which is just a hyperlink but it leads you to the thorn yeah all right kind of similar page uh the catalyst let's check the 36 lessons back and see if it's here hey wait a second so wait i was right about shouting with the king's cop yeah yeah there you go oh man that sound of you opening a drink has me so jealous right now i really get a drink i really wanna i can't i've been locked in for the final run this is mass effect i have so many drinks around me the catalyst so i'm sorry we just did that uh what didn't it's well it's i don't know it's like the catalyst is such a vague thing i don't know it's the catalyst event maybe it's the oblivion crisis which is the catalyst for all the events in the fourth era maybe it was thinking or maybe it's like the defining point at the end of the big battle at the end of the world that is else it's the ingredient you put with two others that finally makes them all linked together and you can make a potion i mean here's a post on tesla could the catalyst hero slash prisoner and possum point all be the same thing or am i going insane that's that's that yes how about no how about say essence as in like is that just a play on like sassy and transcendence and how like consensus is transcending yeah yeah the hero of kavach is pelin or white strike what do you think about that well there's people that talk about him mantling pelinol like when he when you fight umaril as a leader i was thinking that don't you like become an avatar of him yeah somewhat i guess i played that once when it was current and i don't really remember it well or unless the theory is trying to say that helena white straight time traveled again and it literally was the prisoner that became the hero of kovach and did all that stuff and then amiel arctus who's this um let's have a look azurin's hot daughter it's not related to a meal ricton there must be a yeah i mean i can't see any reason why i think that's literally all i can see when i talk about the screen name at the time oh so amir arctis you're talking about um yeah all i got was a librarian comment on an imperial library post called how beautiful you are that you do not join us and it says as an added curiosity his screen name at the time was emil arctus okay all right space gods space gods i mean they're all space gods uh you're right in a way well done i guess it might be similar to the sea gods how there's no explicit like i guess i'm a god of space but i guess then again the void is you know sithis and oblivion and if the gods are like the planets and whatnot if you look at it like from a cosmology perspective then everything is they're all space gods i don't know yeah uh okey dokey that's kind of insane you're really fit you're the boy who goes to academy the other guy that went to activator and never came back uh yes yeah yeah he did a harold for anybody who doesn't have an obscure reference there was an australian prime minister who just what he just went for a swam out into the ocean he went for a swim yeah he yeah he found out the true story from 19 fictional realm michael you're an expert on this next one the other kin um obviously it's a coda thing um akavir says to the other kin get out that's what i found oh i thought you're going to go somewhere i wish because when you like the source material it leads you to a post that's been deleted and i'm like okay that's like me trying to fix my skyrim mods they're like oh here's a link to this mod that fixes it and you click it it's good this one's been deleted must include other kin okay compilation of all law regarding akavi um not all other kin are furries and most furries are not other kids oh wait that's that's not elder scrolls says to the other kin get out primary source this source is considered non-canon since it was never published in game other kin seems to be a name given to those who are not kapotan but may also allude to humans who take on cultural aspects of animals like barbarian and greek toshraka demands that the other kins sail to tamriel and perhaps even further west to yukuda and take their own religions with them because they sully the name of the dragons it's just out of out of cannon stuff okay how about then we go to vek ships which are basically just spaceships i'm pretty sure they were just used in the landfall story for the dunmer i think um how they got to the moon basically um falmer equals hermified humans what is homophobia i have no idea and can't find unless it's like herma morning influence of yeah under the influence of hermaeus mora okay in some way look i i reckon that's just not a good theory i thought i found a good link that would explain it and i click it and it just took me to someone posting the iceberg meme on a random forum somewhere in in the middle of nowhere all right uh next invisible dragons the only thing i can think of is that that's just something i vaguely remember yeah yeah i only vaguely remember them being invisible but yeah the jill's i guess so um oh i think it might be to do with how like all the dragons vanished and then when other one comes back they're like oh there's actually all these dragons that never went away it's like just invisible the whole time don't worry about it um so suicide trolls is there is actually a troll in oblivion that has committed suicide under a bridge because he fails at making a bridge toll so he got drunk and drowned himself so that's a suicide troll um the vivec extreme daddy issues um well because he was the son of a netchman's a niche man and a nashman's wife and i guess yeah daddy issues and that's turned him into a well yeah i mean he went after mo like bowel didn't he so yeah which you know the ultimate daddy you've got something going on what do we think not bird alids but what about alien alids or aliens or whatever they they look kind of alien but i mean they did build some pretty crazy impressive things right yeah but so did the dwemer and i wouldn't call them aliens i think that alien alien is only relative anyway like you know what an alien is yeah i was gonna say what does that mean okay there's like multi dimensions and creatures coming through all the time and god's sucking through space and time what what did what would be an alien within the elder scrolls yeah true like a daedra is pretty much an alien isn't it like something yeah exactly another oh like the yokudan's coming from a previous you know yeah like a separate universe thing that's pretty alien yeah i don't know though there is more to them because the next one insect god is actually something that's legit so there was this tribe called the men of ghee in the in the adibala there is it says they were who were eventually destroyed by the flower king nilakai who made a great sacrifice to an insect god named and in parentheses lost because you just don't know the name of the god but that's an ayleid king called flower king nilikai who sacrificed this whole tribe of men to some insect god um in the video on ayleigh kings i did i i i basically hypothesized it could be a bunch of different kind of uh daedric princes like in a different form or something or it could be an entirely new god yeah i think even said like i had a few guesses at it but um but what was the source of that insect god thing um the uh from tiger falls no it's from oblivion that's the knight um the attabal ah and it's um yeah okay it's by mora house apparently written by him so there's the insect god uh next rk equals unend the fox equals zurin arctus unend the fox i'm pretty sure is another name for helena went by in his earlier years or something was it not or is that hans the fox now anand the fox equated with hold on um izmir with paranormal on and the fox equated with zurin arctus was listed beside his mirror and palin on the discussion on the dragon break um will farth and talos share the title he's been with palin all on and the fox equated with zero well always remember fox 2 is is the you know the nordic symbol associated with shaw you know and being a trickster like a tricky little fox kind of thing i think it's zoronoctus also called on in the fox and the under king right and what so what was it what equals what rk equals okay but with like a an apostrophe kind of thing in the middle gosh hmm all right let's just say yeah yeah that's true that's crazy it's sick yeah it's helena went by other names of hans the fox and that makes more sense now to him being a chezzarini kind of shaw related character uh dwarf orc theory so king dewmaker the dwellers called dumac dwarf orc it's him isn't it called dwarf yeah um and unless that means he's a i don't get what the uh like actual relevance is there although i'm pretty sure um in one of the songs of um wolfhath i'm pretty sure it refers to him as king do malacath that sounds really familiar yeah yeah and that kind of like blends you know it's another sort of i don't know i guess combining the two never made that connection yeah but unless so maybe dwarfs and orcs are somehow related because i mean king dumac of the dwarves and then calling him to malacath kind of seems to imply you know well they're both elves they're both mer so i guess they are related but the the weird thing about that is if we go by the orcs originating from the trinimac bowifier confrontation then you'd have the dwemer if the dwemer orcs getting to resdayne at the same time as the kaima approximately the same time which is there beforehand like they their origin story just doesn't really exist yeah they don't really there's no real evidence it's same with the snow elves the snow elves and the um and the dwemer that you just don't really know why they're uh what about the myanmar the same with bosma uh ma'am the idea with the mamma is that king ornament tried to rebel against whether you think it's somerset or aldmeris but basically he was a powerful lord who rebelled and was kicked out like kicked out of the island with all of his followers and then they were kind of just like stranded in pioneer so they kind of have an origin story i feel like most elves don't have a solid origin story at all and if they do then they've got there's like a few that it could potentially be um tosh raka is uh raka or whatever that's just the kappa ton king guy that sort of became the dragon tiger god thing in akavi it's mentioned in in the mysterious acavia yeah um warn that's the dragon yuri or the uriel the fifth will ride yeah worn and weathered note is that a note from morrowind it's a worn and weathered uh yes yeah it's from morrow is it in a bottle in the ocean which seems like so i haven't looked into this but there's a theory that it was written by a drag apparently there's three of them oh yeah it just sounds like someone writing it's pretty long drowning yeah so it's an in-game book i don't know how much there is to that one um i mean if it's written by a drag which it a lot of it points to then it's very eloquent for a for a drag in this is it transformed into a drag i am forever swimming around amidst the ocean world we call home my limbs grow weak and weary as my eyes drift skyward and defeat i remember how warm the earth felt as i lived and breathed next to her beating heart is it maybe the dude one of the dudes that turned into the ruddy man who was a human and then transformed into a direct dude [Laughter] mabes okay virus as in ios operating system virus i guess it could be the con i'm pretty sure it's fanfic stuff but the idea that it's like the way he functions is like a virus like putting his um code into other people throughout history and making um pretty sure i can't remember if it even is a chess coda or something or no something else the dominion prism text tract again written by kirk bride it's mentioned in there um which is like i don't know where he gets off on making all these like mathematical looking stuff here's another explanation that i found a comparison of talos to a virus or operating system as having replaced lorkhan he is the structural foundation of mundus and can't be uninstalled if he were removed mundus would collapse hmm no i mean that's just someone's take and yeah would it bring us together what is this picture yes yeah king of worms equals the under king what do we reckon aren't they both in the same game yeah they are so so no i reckon it's [ __ ] there's about six people who are the under king at this point yeah um i've heard this one it's fine i forget the basis for it but 500 companions were all dragons i didn't know all dragons but like it would kind of make sense i i guess it would make sense as to why they could like easily push out all the snow elves and stuff it's because they were actually dragons with the dragon cult and then they got established in skyrim like but i don't know i don't really buy i mean wu threads and axe in in israel's hand too and like i guess that could relate to that draco chrysalis thing like gaining dragon aspects and like i mean i could i could buy easily that there were some dragons that came over with them perhaps maybe like if you wanted to push that theory i feel like some but not all and uh what about the dreamer can't wake up so that's referencing the godhead so can't wake up i mean if i woke up then the dream would no longer be a dream would it yeah that's what i understand the dream doesn't exist without the dreamer but the dreamer doesn't exist without the dream that's how i understand and you can't wake up unless you wake me up inside i can't wake up yeah it's it's summit it's i can't remember the one it was this morning i couldn't wake up all right here now we're going to start getting into some nut stuff fargoth's ring so you know in when you start elder scrolls through morrowind you find a ring in a barrel and this and fargo's looking for his ring and you can give it to him and he's like thanks buddy i'll give you my mate we'll give you a discount the shot um should we hold off on talking more about that until we get to the last yeah well i feel like i was gonna say whoever made this loves fargoth because we've got fargoth is vivec we've got fog of her on the side more i think it all comes back all of the fargoth stuff comes back to one 4chan post yeah but yeah i don't know if we say that now we'll come back to it later we'll get to it later and keep the viewers engaged so this next one is scrib or read books i don't know that is rib but um apparently the altar of zerib is an unmarked location yeah yeah but what how do we know it's called zrib though is there a book saying mentioning it or is it i think in the prima guide maybe oh this is this is where people speculate that the dwemer actually had a god um and then there's this kind of like altar um with dwemer architecture and people think that scream zarib is some kind of deity but they don't know yeah i think there's a there's a bunch a bunch of skeletons there's no thing or but it looks kind of like people suspect i think there's like a i think there's a bunch of bones that like like suggesting sacrifices have been made there but there's also a cave entrance filled with thelma like right across from it so i feel like the falmouth might be doing that yeah well we know they had a somewhat of a degree of freedom when it came to like creating religious monuments because there's obviously in irkingtand there's the giant snow elf statue wasn't it made in secret um i think it was um yeah which is kind of crazy i don't know how they made that in secret but you know yeah but i mean maybe this was also made in secret um they i assume if they were part of their kind of enslavement was to do maintenance and and you know that like doing odd jobs maybe they learnt some aspects of like dwarven architecture and how to create it is there a book with scribb in it i feel like there is i don't think there's any reference anywhere i could be making this up oh hold on what about the temple of surib is a large settlement is it the same thing i thought it was probably right see also oh the sightless pier is the yeah that whole thing is right across from made yes yeah that's kind of what i'm saying so like oh i think the temple of syrup is a is a sub location within the siteless piece yes a mystery with pretty much no answers on yeah i don't know if you can really say anything about it but can you say anything about master redshift i hate him already whoever he is what more space stuff what exactly is a red shift again it's when when you get the color red and you just sort of shift it to the side it's kind of just you know it's a displacement of spectral lines or i don't even know what i'm bothering towards longer wavelength michael kirkbride again imperial library uh talking about the magna g pantheon so master redshift documents the pantheon of the magnage okay it makes sense that yeah that'd be a part of the magnum gear okay well there you go there's your hands straight forward what about riemann [ __ ] crackers what do we think i'm hungry man okay well let's let's try it there should surely be uh here's a post okay is that the american name for soggy biscuit or it's not long and definitely worth the read all will be revealed and then some and then someone replied what wtf did i just read who's going to read it can you like control f for crackers or come and just see anything like that i'm opening it and it's very long so i'm going to control okay crackers okay cracked this cracked but not crackers riemann okay oh oh oh we do not want to read this on [Music] youtube oh god all right well um let's just say you know this is an x-rated calm thing that um on some people as they fell and after years of training in the deep dibbler shoot he could do this without hands i've tried it it's not possible the reasons [ __ ] all right anyway that's where that comes from shot the shots am i missing serps for anyone wanting to read that yeah all right well uh how about some dwemer misinterpretation i don't know what this means yeah it's a very like google search maybe they're misinterpreting the purpose of mundus or maybe it's about people misinterpreting the dwemer's intentions there's a post here someone's asking what's the deal with the dwemer and then purposefully um purposely misinterpreting things um like like what what would they have as in like gods and stuff but they don't misinterpret do they isn't it just like they just don't care i mean there's no one correct interpretation in terms of let's just move to magnus's regret well that's i guess him regretting to be a part of the whole creation and he's like oh that's it i don't want to lose my power i'm out and then he rips through the tear and mundus and becomes then we've got tamriela's song which we know kind of everything in elder scrolls is a can be seen as a song right yeah yeah it's because like the elder scrolls built a tom like you know like tolkien i think was like the first like modern fantasy thing or something talking about how like if you read the similar alien it's all about like it's this big song that started that creates the world and while it's not as explicit in the elder scrolls there's all of like the tonal architecture swords singing the key eye the thorn like all of the metaphysical universe bending powers all have to do with music you know the ascended sleepers and their big like flute trunk things and you know it's a it's a thing um riemann expedition to the center of no instead of going to space it's like going to the core pretty sure brendan fraser was in one of those movies oh man yeah i mean that's what's up i i'm sure that maybe there is something to this one i i maybe he's a deep one he's the deep ones he's underground to center of earth because i always i mean he's done like you know space program things but that's not to the center journey to the center of the earth eh is that is that just a i don't even it's just your favorite movie scott i'm sure it's a play i'm sure it's just a play on it um anyway new akavi amaranth so i guess the idea that that either a new amaranth would be from akavi or that akavi is a new amaranth like a new dreamer god i don't know how much that stacks up it sounds i think they're just slapping words together now eight mantled the dreamer so is that trying to say that the divine is like the mantle the godhead i don't know i don't really understand yeah how they have a direct correlation with the dreamer like their relationship has always been more with law khan i tell you what we're doing pretty well like it's only starting to get really crazy down at fargoth uh like where we have kirkland we're starting to lose kirkbride has some kind of writings about the eight aedra eating the dreamer or something it's very vague and ambiguous let's move on to the digitals uh they're a bunch of um characters from the from coda um i can't remember if they're the ones like with tvs for heads or the holographic-y people i can't remember it's their characters in the code right good lord the digitals right okay what are cherum's forgotten tapestries um let's let's leave them forgotten there is the chair is trees the emperor himself owns ten cherum tapestries um because charm this is a book so it's a khajiit thing i thought it was a pokemon skill it is cheren was a famous khajiity tapestry maker who lived in orc rest at the height of his success he had four factories creating replicas of his works and his originals were sold for extraordinary prices right oh it's a bit weird forgotten tapestries somewhere all right well uh scroll vault under white gold i guess a vault of secret elder scrolls or something i i don't think that this is true because i used toggle clipping to fly all around inside there for my quest and i didn't see anything although do you know was really weird i'll tell you something you know how usually like i don't know if they're called cells but like rooms are kind of like on their own like you fly out into the black of a room you're not going to run into another space well you do and this this really messed with me i was in the imperial palace and i basically left from some really tall place anyway i kept on going down and down and down and i saw this red light and i'm like oh my gosh what have i found this is crazy and i got it took me so long to get close to this red light and then i realized it was a fire and then when i finally ran into it it was the fire in the room where the elder scrolls presented to you when you're pretending to be celia cameron but that room is connected to like some other one like they're in the same black space just really really far away there's a few yeah there's in oblivion especially like they'll create a space and then put a few different cells in the one space i don't know if it's to save i don't know if you like if if loading a cell this big but you've got a space this big if it's more efficient to put a bunch of different cells in that same space yeah they're just pocket realms like i really thought i was about to find something of oblivion and i always get that stuff happens all the time i'm like what is that and it's just like a barrel floating in space i'm like damn conspiracy the next one is more guys first and this one has a easy explanation actually but we're just it's a mystery so queen morgaya is the um daughter of queen baron zaya and basically she was trying to get a marriage to king riemann carrier deal ruler of the kingdom of first hold on on auradon assuming that means something that's another name for somerset or is it not oh but what's one of the islands the city is is it an island the eastern coast of auradon is one of the 14 islands on somerset but anyway to secure the king's hand she endeavoured to give him what he desired most to speak again with a son who had died to this end more gaia made contact with mana marco king of worms and basically with the help of your character in daggerfall a deal was struck so many marco held up his end of the bargain to return this person's son so she could get married but she and in return morgaya promised to give him her first though exactly what this means is a mystery so to me like when you say more guys first it kind of seems like i don't know maybe it's just my head but i like it goes straight to like you know virginity like sex that's kind of what it gets like first but like i don't know like i can imagine that with like dark packed things but otherwise i don't know what else that means well well scott could i just ask you do you know what nord's into calpic league world eaters means because that sounds like the next iteration of power rangers come on it does integrate quickly [Music] i mean the idea that they're into calpic makes sense but league league yeah and world eating i'm not really do they go from calper to calper destroying everything like a virus yeah like i guess if you because if we're looking at kind of like how um tall papa you know discovered you could walk sideways and they created the far shores and if sovengard is just like the far shores in that we've we said it like four times in this podcast but like that that shaw is creating an army for the end of the world if uh if we go on from the fact that it's like the dawn era is the ending and the beginning then anyone who's in sovengard does survive the calper because they're in this sideways place like rupture foul but do they come back for the door but league world eat that part i have no idea good good moving on um the dunmer would dwell come on they're just so different there's so many times in elder scrolls history where they've had interactions with one another and unless they were what climber that went underground nah it's just nah well done well we we did talk about the fact that if they were also orcs then they would have had to have traveled to res dain at the same time as the kaima so maybe the kaiman never existed and they were all just dwemer and maybe or maybe the thalmor engineered the last dragonborn's birth what do you think about that that's like some star wars episode nine stuff i mean why would they want that because they don't want the calper to end and aldo and to fulfill his process and they want to do it their way by destroying all the towers i'm gonna put that down to it's a meme and especially if the last dragonborn sides with the uh the empire as well it's probably not in the family's best interests how about maricardi created tamriel like as in the maricardi selectives i don't know i mean they created tamriel as we i mean they messed with the timelines as we know it and did some stuff all right but maybe also anu maybe has amnesia slash remorse what do you think i wish i had amnesia let me tell you oh he's an actual he's a he's one that might have something to it let's see if we can work with this one meridia is lorkhan's lover can you oh i thought you meant in reference to anno's amnesia and remorse i was like oh god no no the next one can we work with that yeah like the idea that she consorted with illicit spectra oh she was she was more on the side of law khan than magnus and and the other star orphans and perhaps because lorcan was the trickster who betrayed them all the fact that she's consorting with him yeah mean like that's the ultimate betrayal that means she's no longer a part of the man and he was considered or it's just that he was the illicit spectra they meant and not yeah well illicit spectra never explicitly says daedra right and i guess well i guess like lorcan in a sense is the opposite like he can't be a daedra because he is like the fundamental answer i mean the idea that nirn is if it's a daedric yeah but i feel like yeah of all the illicit spectra it makes total sense it could be lorkhan is the one that she meddled with or you know consorted a theory that's because law khan is sure or sure is lorkhan right yeah in uh what's his totem the fox and then kinereth's totem is is the bird and when you go to sovereign guard the hall of valor whatever it's called is covered in bird motifs and i was like maybe it's like the taj mahal he built this thing in um in like reference to his his lover kaine was kind was his wife yeah and uh mara was his handmaiden so yeah like kind of yeah that does kind of like the parallel to the taj mahal does make some sense but wait um but kaine was the widow and shaw was the one who died so i guess like that not literally his wife dying but you know he built something yeah to be like i love my wife so much look my building is covered in birds how about akatosh nern equals known equals oblivion duh that's good we can just skip that one doesn't he good stuff how about so this is daughter um did he yeah did he ever ever heard of sir i mean i guess this is the conspiracy maybe he did his cosmic daughter memory who he himself gave birth to i guess he gave birth to all the clockwork creatures i mean i'm just raised so i was thinking it makes him like make like some sex bots or something yeah it's referenced um in sermon 37 yes and also out of game out of license or whatever um so the seal was survived by his cosmic daughter memory who he himself gave birth to that's all i can see okay what about todd head water is memory remember so he just gave birth to a bunch of water he just took a piss he just had a break from his podcast uh the todd head this is the idea that todd howard is the dreamer right or the godhead yeah he's making everything how much was todd involved in actually creating law since tomorrow a lot of it yeah yeah yeah yeah i think it was i can't remember how much it is in daggerfall but ever since morrowind has been a very significant todd howard is someone who i think is probably underrated at this stage because people kind of just see him as the just the face of it and nothing much else yeah i think a lot of the bad associations associations with todd is just the fact he's kind of got no choice but to say the [ __ ] that the higher-ups are telling him to say i guess i don't know but maybe don't how about uh mantellon portal in the iliac um could this be talking about getting the men teller and going to the uh yeah yeah i think we've got that last episode yeah you know yeah man sure in daggerfall it's set in the iliac bay and in that game you go to aetherius to get the mantilla you go to the man tell him and there's a portal is it not just a is it a play though is this just a pl either i can't remember in daggerfall how you exactly get into the mantel and crack stuff but but is it just a play on the whole like earlier one which was like portal in the nibbene in the yeah like the shivering arms like yeah do shivering ass is it just a play on that i honestly have no idea i don't know i'm happy being wrong if it's not let's move on we'll go to azura hotel what do you think that was the thing in turkey right like that's just yeah yeah yeah it's like turkey with like a statue that looks like azura because it's got like a star oh but it's not intense yeah i think it was just a straight rip do you reckon kirkbride snaked it from some turkish thing i know a lot of his writings like based on middle eastern and asian mythology and stuff i mean this is like i think it's only like five or six or seven years old or something like that it's i think it's modern but i mean i could be wrong i feel like it's a copy i feel like they copied skyrim what about the plot device realm it's the realm where all the plot devices are from that's about it i guess um um yeah okay for this you need to find the picture of the statue because it's legit just a zero yeah on this hotel that's crazy what the hell that's sick there okay yeah i'm just reading i'm watching a let's play of going to the mental and crocs i'm going to say let's play of going to the zero hotel i'm saying i send you now to the man telling crux the safeguarded prison of the man teller so it's like you're being sent there um i i honestly think the next one in a way does have potential that um metal because obviously that nobody's ever been able to figure out how to make dwarven metal and i mean even when i wrote the video on it i wasn't 100 sure it was the best explanation about kagrenac when like the idea we've said before is kagerinac planned their disappearance because it wasn't a disappearance it was to transform the entire race into the barrier the skin that surrounds the numidium to make it um protected from reality or you know reality um so maybe not every dwemer was utilized in shielding it and they just became the metal that was supposed to go into it but they just like flopped onto the ground maybe into ingots so if you find like dwemer spoons or whatnot or dwemer coins there's all people in there yeah so you just for them you know if you eat with a dwemer spoon matrix i feel like this we could we could just go back to that that his super computer thing yeah i feel like you could connect it to that kind of stuff and and because there are argonians who have visions when they imbibe the sap right so perhaps they're like entering some like you know if it's a super computer and they drink some of the i don't know the ram and they then they just you know they're dreaming inside the hists matrix i don't know what's l it's all connected what do you think about al marrow okay i found an obscure reference and it's on like warosu.org it's like full just forum thread of people role-playing and someone says ignorant churl i fling my [ __ ] at the refrain now from presuming on matters you know nothing of perhaps then the great monkey like m-o-n-k-e may be merciful enough to share his glorious truth with you so that you two might know all the wonders of our morocc how about that right all right what do we think about the best i also found someone on linkedin called alma rook that was my first result [Laughter] what about uh moon come volts is that riemann again yeah like maybe it's something like well do you know how there was that vague thing before about like riemann some space station or something on the moon maybe he's stored it's come for like a lineage that's what i was thinking yeah so maybe that they can create future riemanns when they go to the moon and uncover the vaults right like a like a sperm yeah it's got like a sperm bank on the boat what about a macintosh sounds like a computer yeah got high energy fingers low energy brain let's go it's michael kirkbride michael bryant if you haven't heard of him he's a position oh yeah yeah i think he he writes some law yeah manny mcintosh um the worm on the worm from coda it's not even worth reading okay agreed uh kim quantum witness or chim quantum witness however we should get that law master on the podcast and grill him about pronunciation of things just grill him about it [Music] [Laughter] you're wrong instead of asking lord questions it's just two hours of how to pronounce it now all right the heim ski dream sleeve broadcast i can't remember maybe i'm making this up my head but i can't remember if this is something that happens in coda or if there is some like playing broadcast because there's all kinds of like technological stuff but maybe i'm completely wrong maybe it's just talking about i don't know people hear drums i don't know like an internet broadcast it's like home skis the alex jones yeah like this space their time and it's like yeah right the next one kind of like yeah how much did i eat romanelli uh romanelli [Music] it's not in frame i was just petting my bear all right bit bit weird i'm sorry yeah romanelli can we see them there he's got a koala bear oh darren who's gonna leave it back was that like a valentine's day thing it's a ikea oh i've seen i was getting ikea shopping he was buying some swedish romanelli and uh anyway romanelli i found some kind of mention of it the original title for skyrim back in 1998 according to this one post what because it was written about before that it was just called skyrim um okay it doesn't make it easier red guy easter eggs the blind roman early um uh future games in the room at the beginning of the introduction there's a bookshelf containing titles of past and future games in the elder scrolls series the first to our arena and daggerfall then there's morrowind oblivion and romanelli so like that was that's right yeah at the start of red god right it does that cinematic okay right okay next okay so the blind god is apparently a god that's guarding the mantellon crux who took the form of a giant skull didn't do very well considering we went there and took it yeah good job watch the sky dot is that a reference to something they say about the dragons the citizens or anything or in skyrim i feel like it is and then i feel like someone's like dude it means to look at look up because something's coming me and the thelma you're supposed to i found a so yes because it's the name of one of the songs in the oven creepy pasta watch the skies found some creepy pasta um about one sky shadow romanelli some spooky thing it keeps questioning is this list no it's not but yeah there's something that keeps saying watch the sky in this gravelly voice and obviously i'm not going to read the whole thing it's like 10 pages long or something okay tiber septim was an orc thoughts oh it'd be so much funnier if it actually said thoughts on the thing the way you read [Laughter] uh it don't yeah i want to say no there's like nothing on it right yeah at all this is just we're just getting silly like there's enough that's enough to not what now what do you mean now do five hours of silliness i draw the line after moon come vaults all right that's where it started getting serious okay all right all right your house is safe now that looks like the kind of thing that's from the 36 lessons it's at the end of one of the sermons some i don't know he's talking at some point about a house and he goes your house is safe now and the person goes but why is there dot dot then he just keeps saying your house is safe now and the person's like it's not there's weird stuff everywhere i wonder if it's the provisional house something to do with that i don't know what like the the meta meaning of any of that is how about you type this in the confession of boma kuro 143 is it like a reddit user that like trolled everyone and he confessed to it yeah um wait after many years of serving the elder scrolls online community tamriel foundry has closed its doors website deleted ah okay um uh oh gosh i'm literally now i'm on some pdf file that's like looks like a movie script like you know the way it's written in that form tamriel foundry all right i'm thinking of tamriel vault or something the confession of burma kuro 143 went from script to final edit but it was never broadcast for various political reasons the series has been lauded as the finest culmination of hyolte's nonsense in the tamriels and one that ig stast in dash e dash dash dash despite haas cr harsh criticism from other quarters tci was otherwise a darling among its audience both at home and in the armchair critiques of the somerset liberal blogosphere okay this sounds like some more the next one all right hold on let's keep going bug jarrings come on you know that that's you got a video on the bug i yeah i do can't believe it's this far down i asked i asked dev on twitter if there was i i i went through the skerm's credits and found every dev i could on twitter and ask them all i'm like hey i'm making a video about the bugs and jars is there any meaning behind them and all these dudes would just like can't say can't say can't say and then this one dude's like yeah yeah no that it's nothing it was just uh some cut content there's nothing there's nothing secret and then i went i made a video about it and i went to ask him another question and he blocked me so i think his answer was legit and that he like got in trouble with the other devs or something for telling me right was it wasn't there like weird cross sections about their locations and stuff like that i can't really oh yeah it i mean you can you can join them all together and it makes like a like a kind of 3d pyramid thing and then of course i slapped a big illuminati meme over the top of that nice but i've got a whole video on it if you want to waste your time watching that trans amaranthian travel so i guess that's the idea of going between like the amaranth being the new dreamer like another godhead kind of thing so going between different godheads or incarnations of godheads or however that's going to work so yeah uh all right how about how about the harper's three theorem who's mokafa that sounds like some like hair regrowth stuff more faster dude you need some mcarthur's theorem i think it's a serum let's have a look m-o-k-a-f-a up with like oh nothing although weirdly it is giving me elder scrolls results but only on theorems i don't know why is that a spell theorem yeah and i can prove that you do not exist oh this is the yeah this is pleased to talk about with athletic um mathematics or whatever it was called before um he wrote out a mathematical formula which proved correct and kenner warfall thomasin vaporized on the spot there you go maths magic hissed antithetical amaranth a lot of emotions dwemer created our universe oh you did that one i mean yeah i guess i did yeah they didn't but let's keep going yeah um so here's antithetical amaranth i don't think auntie i don't even know what that means what's antithetical like antithesis enemy of right it's like the opposite of something opposing force yeah being like yeah uh well does that mean they were the dreamer and became in the dream is that what that's saying i mean maybe i kind of read it as they are the like antithetical to the amaranth or like you know like if you're going like oh there's a good god and like a evil god like they're the opposite to the amaranth or i was just what if it meant like they did the reverse of the amaranth how about how about section 22 you've got to type elder scrolls with that or you get all kinds of things okay um king edward book 11 presently akatosh said i favor the name section 22. what hold on okay this so this is from a text that is in daggerfall king edward book 11 and there is a line here that says um it's about marilyn interrupted with great drama surely you don't mean to imply that an elf can be overly stubborn and the discussion dissolved into a period of laughter and teasing amongst the group presently akatosh said i favor the name section 22. beach stared at him akatosh i see what thou dost mean about thy difficulties with the poetic if you will allow my frank opinion that is the single worst village name i have ever heard akatosh sighed ghastly then pardoned himself hastily to beach then later on i can see you should have 21 other sections first if you're going to name this place 22. anyway it looks like akatosh wanted to name a place section 22 in some story mud crabs were on the world economy though did you know this is just a reference to the merchant mud crab right and the idea you wish you would love that because then you can move on to the next one i'm sure how is it not anything um um yeah i'm just getting mud crab merch and stuff let's pass on it what about night mara as in like night mother oh gosh that but like mara like maybe um i got nothing oh no i got nothing how about taking two words and slap them together how about riemann seisi gangbang what do we think about that if there's a video i'll watch it that's what i think about oh my gosh something they film in japan um is that when i went to japan and i was wondering what i watched was that that's what it was um gamil or gimel or hold on ringing any bells running i feel like we're so close to the bottom that there's got to be something serious going on all this stuff wait it was an emperor give me hell in the similar name or merely a transcript of nationality or origin um talking about martin's this is like some law chat like people talking and nothing's yeah it seems like a septum dynasty yeah unspecified thing out of you okay the idea yeah the idea is it's martin september the only source for the name of martin's mother is a foreman forum post by ken ralston in which kayak society suggests the name while visiting uriel's nearly dog grave um the pig well the only thing i can think of significant is you know how like they have the intelligent pigs on the isle of our team like the city quarter but what about the pig i don't know if you look at there's the pig children that's about so what about the malacath so the theory involves reminder chapter two which has blade of the pig in its name and a supposedly metaphorical pig mentioned um uh only later would it be revealed that reynold did this thing to come closer to talos and on storm crown the glorious yet emperor tiber septim only later still that he was under instruction by a pig man this is just bringing me back to riemann cow slash various uh the pig is associated with the orcs who are sometimes called the pig children suggesting that their father malacath is a pig um i think the pig has something to do with trinimac i don't know maybe because he had to go rolling through the mud if you know what i'm saying in his transformation in his transformation you know i don't know let's let's move are you you aware of uriel the seventh's daughter is that the next one no i'm not i mean martin's such a [ __ ] might be him muriel seven oh wait miniseria is the first thing that popped up but i don't that's from daggerfall queen let me guess it's a forum post no it's just came straight to a wiki but um i don't know why they thought that well the next one that would be talon amaranth and i think don't you want to find out that everybody's like i feel like there's nothing to it outside that's the daughter but i'd love to be proved wrong honestly let's move on okay no scott would love that now i'm going to move on um yes italian amaranth i guess is trying to make the idea that the arena character the eternal champion is amaranth yeah how about what's actually this sounds like there could be something the abortion or the black one like that sounds like there could be something that's legit i hope so what is the abortion of the black one reddit they're actually talking about the iceberg they're like i found this on the ice what is it um it's a reference to an idea for a code of prequel called diaz irae that was never written all that exists about it is a few mentions by kirk bride circa 2013 most of the tesla iceberg meme is trivia it's not a statement or important tesla just a reflection on being around a long time and paying attention to discussions on this sub and 4chan well that's the ultimate red pill of this iceberg now they tell me now they tell us now they tell us after multiple multiple hours of house reader on gravity control is this like the red the levitation act maybe they implemented some gravity control to keep it in check what do you think rhetorian is there any did they even have the levitation act in morrowind nope they didn't right not on vardenfell anyway yeah not against me actually no yeah it's only on vaudeville because when you go to mournholds you can't levitate there and hold on on mainland sorry it is funny but you know how rhetoron is like somewhat serious and like respects seriousness but it's like the rhetoric prize the virtues of duty gravity and piety but it's like oh gravity control right um all right fargoth cycle hit it hit a voice what i okay so this originates from a 4chan post someone posted a picture of fargoth and wrote this sometimes i like to create a bosma character identical in face and hairstyle to him then in the dead of night pick his lock and enter his house completely naked i murder him i take his clothes and dispose of his corpse the rest of the game is spent not taking quests but traveling around sedan simply being him i sleep in his bed eat his food i walk in his same aimless pattern and i talk to his best friend ariel though we maintain an heir of friendly chatter i can see the uneasiness in his eyes all the villagers they know they're watching me i've passed a hundred plus game days doing this and so the cycle came around when someone responded to that basically saying what if you did this for too long and the game evolved some artificial intelligence to take the place of a normal player who then took your stuff from the tree stump and continued to play the game or even worse murder you and take your place creating an endless cycle of fargoths disgust died more deaths than you could ever even hope to fathom my eternal torture will come to an end soon you've underestimated me you always have and it's far goth super zoom in i feel like we've been duped well that's the end of it i think that would be the perfect clip on twitter to advertise this uh podcast it's just drew reading that with text on screen like not actual video just text on screen and fargoth's face or yeah or just use that picture of fighting if they don't know you're reading from a post though it's just making it up it's your story all right yeah okay yeah cut it directly after i say and this is what he said all right well ladies and gentlemen we have come to the end of the iceberg podcast this is i mean i'm very happy about it too boys i'm just oh i'm beside myself i'm thrilled but you can't see that i'm thrilled because this iceberg killed me i'm relieved it's like necromancy it's like free at last can i delete this picture of the iceberg now yes it's gonna like corrupt my computer all right well thanks everyone for watching uh social media links are in the description below as always and we will nerd out with you again in the next episode

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Published: Sun Mar 28 2021