The Sphinx Water Erosion Debate - The Joe Rogan Experience

hello freak [ __ ] what is the argument about the Sphinx enclosure the Sphinx and dr. Robert Schoch from Boston University who's a geologist what was his conclusion what Jacques is saying is that the Sphinx and the trench out of which the Sphinx is cut bears the unmistakable evidence of precipitation induced weathering weathering caused by exposure to a substantial period of heavy rainfall and that is particularly pointed out in the vertical fissures in the trench they see the Sphinx itself has been subject to so much restoration over so many years that it's difficult for people to even see the core body of the Sphinx today but it's these you can see the vertical fissures even down at the back of there that is that is what shocked counts as rainfall precipitation induced weathering heavy rainfall which is selectively removing the softer layers and leaving the harder layers in place and the problem is we don't have that rainfall in Giza in Egypt four and a half thousand years ago you have to go back much earlier to get that rainfall that's the suggestion so that's the suggestion by Robert Schoch independently yes if your conclusion totally independently I know Jacques disagrees with me on many things yes as a matter of fact and and I disagree with him on many things but I think he's on the money on this so that alone would set back at least that one I mean it's pretty much established that the Great Pyramid of Giza was constructed about 2500 BC right absolutely no doubt that a huge project went on at Giza around 2500 BC so you're ourselves that they're not that the whole thing was that much older was that parts of it seemed to have been from an earlier civilization or at least that civilization far far earlier than I was I would say that the ground plan what we have at Giza the basic layout of the site was established in what the ancient Egyptians called Zep tepi the first time astronomically and geologically I and my colleagues suggest that the first time can be dated to the period of about twelve and a half to thirteen thousand years ago that that that was when the site was laid out because there's intriguing astronomical alignments of the great pyramids to the belt of Orion I know ed Krupp has a completely opposite view on this and of the Great Sphinx to the constellation of Leo rising Jewish housing the Sun on the equinox the astrological Age of leo again I have slides I can and that was aligned with the geological evidence that Robert Schoch commits aligns with the geological evidence as the agers rage of Leo pretty much exactly spans the Younger Dryas mattress on and so the only argument against that at the time was that there were no other structures like that from 12,000 years correct and when Krupp said that the that the Orion correlation wasn't real because it was upside down I'm a jargon into that now well first that's not the only argument it's that okay if the Sphinx is built or the layout for the whole thing is built in ten eleven thousand years ago and then and then the pyramids are built you know 2500 BC what happened in between where all the people the trash the places where they live well they very different styles of constructing like it but not dated in between I would crimp close Michael something like a monastery which has a relatively small archaeological footprint is on the site I mean the idea of information knowledge and traditions lasting for thousands of years within a religious system shouldn't be too absurd to us I mean Judaism is dealing with ideas that are already best part of 4000 years old if we go back to or the childís and so on and so forth so that's all I'm suggesting really that the idea is preserved maintain that the the survivor survive on the site but on something like a monastery which is which has got a very small archaeological footprint it is not high perhaps again one can only speculate and I think there's a lot of speculation on the archaeological side too one can only speculate perhaps having gone through a cataclysm perhaps they felt to blame for this wrongly or rightly I mean there are many many traditions in which humanity's behavior is implicated in the Cataclysm that takes place and perhaps they didn't want to switch civilization on completely right there perhaps they perhaps they waited passed down the knowledge through initiates enough was there to create a mystery because it's undoubtedly a mystery that the construction of the Great Pyramids the first huge pyramids in Egypt preceded only really by the Zozo pyramid at saqqara the construction of the Great Pyramids is vastly superior to the construction of the pyramids of the 5th and 6th dynasty that follow it and that's a little bit counterintuitive that we have this collapses because one would have expected it to got Bettis it sounds like the work on the pyramid started already with a level of knowledge in yes but okay so here's here's I would think about that there's a lot of perhaps seeing and maybe speak but yes well so you have a bunch of Egyptologists and archaeologists who have been working on this site for centuries this is one of the most you know ancient mysteries and so on and and so say let's say there's like 20 lines of evidence that point to built roughly around this time period here and then you come on and say okay but there's this one anomaly of the rain thing that there was only rain at this time now there's a huge gap you have one anomaly or line of evidence here and like 20 here we're talking about different structures so there's not a lot of evidence that points to the Sphinx being from a particular time period well he's saying like 12,000 right I'm saying The Rape all evidence suggests added alignment that it's alignment with the constellation of Leo housing the Sun right right on on the spring equinox it's an equinoctial market nobody would dispute that nobody would dispute that the ancient digit well no I mean if you make a monument pointing perfectly Jewish I've stood on the back of the Sphinx at dawn on the spring equinox and believe me again I could show a picture its head lines up perfectly with the Rising Sun but no I don't think anybody even Krupp is disputing that it's an exponential market now here's the thing you're an ancient Egyptian you're building an equinoctial marker in 2500 BC do you know what constellation is housing the Sun in 2500 BC I haven't run the little program well it's the constellation of Taurus so so logically if you're creating an aqueduct Geum and the ancient Egyptians would not shy about making images of Bulls plenty of them if you're making an equinoctial marker in 2500 BC we should create it in the form of a bull not in the form of a lion you know that's the that's the puzzling issue and yet we do have a time when a lion constellation housed the Sun at dawn on the spring equinox and that is the period of the Younger Dryas okay I'd say that's a pretty big leap well I know you say that and your colleagues also and so now and then we have a gap of about five or six thousand years where there's nothing there's no really director yeah yeah please you know I'm going to refer back to several articles that were published in the 80s and 90s this one is from from nature early 80s late quaternary history of the Nile and what it's discussing is the evidence that was a major shift in the in the hydraulic regime of the Nile River it says between 20,000 and 12,000 years before present when Timberline into headwaters was lower vegetation covered more open than today the Nile was a highly seasonal braided River which brought mixed coarse and fine sediments down to Egypt and Sudan this cold dry interval had enter ended by 12,500 years before present when overflow from Lake Victoria and higher rainfall in Ethiopia sent extraordinary floods down the male main Nile and those floods have been documented to have been a hundred and twenty feet above the modern flood plain of the Nile any civilization or whatever you want to call it living along the Nile River at that time would have had to abandon whatever they were doing there in the industry jeem this intensified hydraulic regime and it says it goes on to say it marked a revolutionary change to continuous flow with a superimposed flood peak so what happened is that there was a major environmental change that occurred right there around twelve thousand to twelve thousand five hundred years the dating could be adjusted somewhat since the early eighties but the point is made is that because of a major hydrological change major vegetation --all cover change major environmental change this would have caused also imposed changes upon whatever culture was existing there or living there at the time now what we have is in the aftermath of that event we have basically the emergence of desert which now would require serious adaptation it's very likely to that these events could have also decimated the population at the time leaving basically no workforce and then over a period of two or three or four thousand years you find that that there is enough of a recovery that these kind of monumental structures can be renewed but it's clear from this and a lot of other studies studies in the eastern Mediterranean showing that there are SAP repel layers which is caused which is basically material that has been washed in from the continental surface that has not oxidized it has essentially become rotten and carried in organic material carried in off of the continents by this enhanced regime of water flow actually forcing so much water that there was a fresh water lid on the eastern Mediterranean that caused a cessation in the circulation between the upper waters and the lower waters reducing the amount of oxygen brought down to the to the lower waters and so you had these layers of mud that formed on the bottom of the Mediterranean that show this massive influx of fresh water flowing off of out of the Nile and off of the the Egyptian continent at this same time so clearly the evidence shows that there were major climatic changes that occurred around this time it is not so speculative to to imagine that whoever whatever and we don't have to invoke any kind of a super advanced civilization but whatever cultures were there that were perhaps capable of carving blocks of stone transporting blocks of stone as they were at gobekli tepe during this time range would have been that their that their activity would have been interrupted to the extent that it might have taken millennia to recover to get to get the labor force necessary to undertake major monumental programs on the Giza Plateau so I think that if we assume this gradual istic scenario yeah that's a fair question to ask were what happened in that interval but if there is a major climatic downturn and a major disruption of the the several patterns of whatever culture was already there then you know now we might have an explanation why there would be a gap especially if these events caused a bottleneck in the population of the area of course this is all speculative but it is not speculative to say that there is multiple lines of evidence suggesting these major even cataclysmic changes that engulfed that part of the world during that era so that could that could provide an explanation of why there is a gap there makes total sense well it does it because does it not only if you have to have the Sphinx in conjunction with 12,000 years ago in the lost civilization if you just say that rain water erosion on the Sphinx it is not an explanation for the age and that the traditional accepted ages fit what we think it is then there's no gap to fill you know so really all we're talking about is we have again lots of evidence here one anomaly here I really want the anomaly thing to stick so I got explained the gap the gap is explained by environmental changes but what happens when is the lots of evidence other than a lot of assumptions there's a lot of maybes it's all I mean actually can you cite me a single contemporary inscription from the date that the Sphinx is supposed to have been made that refers to the swings I'm sorry can you cite a single contemporary inscription contemporary from a Shinto contemporary to the date that Egyptologists ascribed to the Sphinx in other words a right of Google can you cite me a single inscription I've talked about the things being built this is a chi I don't study this area I don't know okay well you can't because there is no subscription okay well so well one would have thought they would well maybe it's a giant project it's 270 feet long is 70 feet high it's carved out of solid rock nugget but you know recipe who has at all in the old kingdom you actually have to come down to the New Kingdom to get references to the sinks and inscription so but you've already said that the pyramids were built at the time we think they were built not thousands of I would say that a great deal of work was done on the pyramids at the time of 2500 BC I think the ground plan was laid out and we have like the Step Pyramid which is cruder and not as well designed as the other pyramid and that's it that's a transitional stage at that time often argued to be a transitional stage you've been to the Step Pyramid option oh right and been together though no I've never been together oh dear well well they do make a very different impact I mean I've climbed the Great Pyramid five times and I mean you're dealing with something orders of magnitude different in terms of what's required I mean this thing weighs six million there but it's 481 feet high it consists of two and a half million individual blocks of stone it's a line to true north within three sixtieth of a single degree I mean to compare that to zou sir is really not a valid comparison at all what's more interesting to me is the radical decline that takes place in pyramid building skills in the fifth and sixth dynasty go to Oona's go to pepe go to petit at saqqara these are a shambles you can hardly even recognize them as a pyramid what happened to all that knowledge that's invested in the Great Pyramid why does Egypt to devolve so rapidly what how do we explain this Christine amazing work that's done on the Great Pyramid unless there's a legacy of knowledge being attached to it okay so every archaeologist Egypt Egyptian archeologist and Egyptian Allah knows everything you just said they don't accept any of your arguments why not that's why I'm needed because somebody's got a cow here is it just that they're close-minded and they follow as I he of us and they never think for themselves you want to see it well as mind I'll play your what a half minute video about here watch I usually invite women but but but all of them every one of the Egyptologists in archaeologists over the last two centuries and so on see no they're all dogmatically closed-minded and they can't see the arguments that clears you or is it they're not convinced by your argument they're not convinced by my argument they genuinely and absolutely believe that their argument is right the notion that I'm proposing is apparently so preposterous to them that it isn't even worthy of consideration but it is worthy of insults and attacks on me on my integrity on my decency as a human being on my honesty all of those things get attacked you know because mainstream that's fine I'm ready for that and that by the way I know that archeologists academics constantly attack each other all the time I used to take this stuff personally but then I just want to see what they do to each other the ravaging attack dogs you know I let loose on any new idea I sometimes wish scientists would would actually look for what's good in a new idea rather than what's bad I get why they do that I was like that but in other words granted some young graduate student working in that area could make a name for himself by overturning you know my son was a young graduate student at the University of Cardiff studying Egyptology he got marked down in his degree because he proposed the possibility that the pyramids and the might be or might have older origins he was impressed by my work it did him a lot of harm in his degree and if all this was true that a very organized my point would come down to my point which is if you go against the mainstream view your career does not progress as an easy way I disagree I mean how an example how is it that we know anything that we know about evil examples from Egyptology if somebody who's gone against the mainstream view and being awarded for so doing well look we don't believe everything about it that we believe two centuries ago at st. Napoleon's time right how did all that knowledge come about how did all the change and that science only begins with Jean Paul II on and the deciphering of the Rosetta Stone all right how is he able to do that against the mainstream there was no mainstream all right so that he would have explained there wasn't the mainstream has taken time to form and it's very solid now I mean Scientologists all sing from the same hymn book you'll find very little disagreement that went to the monitor in every field but somehow or another Einstein managed to make an impact because he turned out to be right well I'm no Einstein and I don't know if I'm right but I'm going to continue to oppose that man somebody I don't know if that's a valid comparison Einstein and archaeology I would it take paleoanthropology I mean it's a completely different feel now than a century ago how did that happen if no one ever accepts new ideas they do it happens all the time [Applause] [Music] you [Music]

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Published: Fri May 19 2017