The HK 416

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experience is shooting these so about combined total I have around 7,000 rounds on an H&K 416 it's not as much as some of the other firearms that I've done but I think enough to say enough about it to kind of give you guys a good review on it so the 416 kind of I don't know if it really needs an introduction but I you've seen it in video games you've seen it in movies you've seen it everywhere and maybe you've even argued about it online so Larry Vickers who was a delta and delta helped H&K develop the hk416 it's a short-stroke gas piston system as opposed to a direct in pension system and this was to make a rifle that would just crush reliability be better than an m4 in every single way so does it we'll see we'll talk about it so on this particular short rifle that I have right here the H&K 416 upper is on a milspec ar-15 lower in this case of Daniel defense so the M R 5 5 6 uppers will typically well the older ones will not fit and milspec lowers but H&K 416 uppers will fit you're milspec close what's nice about that is that that allows you then to use just regular magazines well like pmags and that type of thing will work well as opposed to an HK lower which will require emags or H&K magazines or stanag magazines or something like that where the pmags don't work well so just as a quick note there now if you are using a ar-15 lower with your H&K 416 upper what's important are two main things first off the trigger either use a milspec trigger there are other triggers that work in this case I am using a guy's Lee hk416 trigger with about a four-point five pound pol obviously I'm a huge fan of guys Lee quick note there guys Lee did give me this trigger the upper however was bought completely at me left a large dent of my wallet also the recoil system H&K has their own proprietary spring and buffer will not proprietary you can use you know regular ar-15 ones but there's a lot of recoil going on this so it's recommended that you use Asian case so quick note there for those of you who are thinking about buying one even before we got into the review how is the H&K 416 then how does it stack up against you know an ar-15 so what we are talking about the H&K 416 I'm gonna be talking about the short barrel variant which is a 10-point three-inch upper receiver so why 10.4 of H&K they're special but in any case this was made to compete with the mark 18 we're not even the mark 18 but short barreled m4 see if they're realize that the time that this was developed those short barreled em forests are not doing that well as far as reliability is concerned so this is developed to address those shortcomings now currently the mark 18 in my opinion is a very reliable weapon system as is the hk416 but let's kind of get into it so to kind of start off we're gonna do a whole pro's and con's thing what kind of drift a little bit into cons as we're talking as I usually do but we're gonna do our best here so the first thing that should be noted is that on the H&K 416 the barrel is phenomenal it has a cold hammer-forged should barrel with very well made materials the barrel life on these Asian K's is very very good depending on firing schedule you can expect these to last a very long time a good buddy of mine had one that ran about sixty seven thousand rounds of course he lost accuracy as the round cam went up in that type of thing but realize that these barrels are very well made and I believe for a long time they're considered among the best perhaps they still are so barrels are excellent on the H&K 416 s now as far as accuracy is concerned a DI gun typically is gonna be a little bit more inherently accurate now that being said I think these guns are more accurate than anything that you could probably typically pull off what I mean to say is that it's more accurate than you so with this particular upper I've been able to get about between 1.25 to 1.5 MOA groupings I'm sure I can do better with a better optic and that type of thing the point is is that I have no qualms about the accuracy of this particular system so for whatever reason you think that a piston gun is gonna be like wildly more inaccurate it's not the case they're still very well made and in the case of the 416 it is a free floated handguard in that of course helps with accuracy as well so compared to like say a standard m4 I would say it is inherently more accurate now compared to say a kind of modern out free floated ar-15 maybe the free floated ar-15 has a small advantage but that being said these are plenty accurate all right going up from the barrel we have the gas system so the gas system is not a direct contingent is it is a short-stroke gas piston system so how do they differ well on a a r15 in this case we're gonna take the direct competitor to the H&K 416 or that particular one and we have a mark 18 right here the mark 18 is a short-barreled variant of the m4 so in a mark 18 or an A or 15 when the bolt is traveling down the barrel once the passes that gas port all that gases trapped behind the bullet as its leaving the barrel is tapped off into a gas tube that gas tube then runs the length down into the receiver where it in impinges upon the bolt carrier group and then pushes the entire thing backwards and thrinng cycles weapon all that kind of stuff so end result is that you get a bunch of hot gases into the chamber with carbon fouling that fouls up the weapon faster than you would have with a piston design such as the H&K 416 so nation k 416 that bullet travels down the barrel hits that tap off point gas goes into a chamber and impinges upon a piston up front that pigeon then has a piston then has a rod that travels down in pidge's upon the bolt carrier group and the receiver pushes that back cycles it so the end result is that you don't have quite as much gas coming back into the receiver compared to a direct and pensioned gun so because of that the receiver runs cleaner and obviously the bolt carrier group and the bolt and all that kind of stuff have to rotate and move in slide through that receiver so because you have less gas and carbon foul and get it into there you have a more typically reliable weapon system than say a DI gun so that is kind of the purpose behind the piston system now there are some problems with the piston system it's heavy so you have a lot more moving parts out front because of that the weapon is significantly more front heavy than something like a mark 18 or a or 15 or anything like that now people are gonna be quick to point out why don't you work out you know a little weight so a big deal and you say that now but I'll hold this weapon up for long periods of time doing CQB and that type of thing and you're gonna really begin to feel it as you move through those buildings so weight does matter even a small amount of weight for because this gun isn't much heavier than a mark 18 but it's still heavy enough that you definitely feel the difference in such a short barreled rifle even still talking about the gas system we have to mention the 416 so the 416 was designed to be a very reliable weapon system one of the ways that they did that was in addition to incorporating the piston the short-stroke gas piston on the htk 416 to ensure you have less fouling they also viciously over gas this thing what that means is that they have a lot more gas going into that chamber to actuate the piston than is really needed but what that does is it ensures that if I have any fouling going on that's gonna power through thatthat it's gonna have enough energy to break from any debris or anything like that any sand or snow or ice or anything like that because that it's a very reliable system in my opinion now a couple problems that come from that one is felt recoil and this is what everybody I think fails to address when it comes to the 416 well not everybody but typically in reviews or video games is that for all that reliability and everything you have a lot more kick so what that means is that when I'm looking through my dog and I'm firing this weapon on automatic or semi-automatic or anything like that I can watch that dot bouncing a lot more and I could feel a lot more recoil and pulse on a lot more muzzle rise than I would feel now compare that to a air 15 mark 18 type system with a direct impingement it's a very soft recording system but again there are gonna be sacrifices to be made to have a little bit more reliability in the case of the piston system they just wanted an ultra reliable system so I understand what they're going for so when a lot of people pick up a hk416 and they fire they go mouths it's so much recoil what is HKS problem just realize that the problem was is that they didn't want a problem so that is the reason why the hk416 has such a vicious kind of recoil impulse compared to an ar-15 even though they look very very similar now in addition to that the piston system makes it particularly reliable in a couple different conditions arctic conditions and also maritime conditions which was very well kind of a showcase in that video of the german man sitting in a koi pond shooting an hk416 in an m4 and yelling at us and german a great video but in any case the Norwegians have adopted this as a rifle and it is performed very well so on some of the newer HK variants that are coming out there's an adjustable gas block now Norway has famously had some trouble with theirs but there is a newer H&K 416 coming out the a5 with just an adjustable gas block which could probably help with some of the vicious / gassing that the current H&K systems have just want to make a quick note there of that where the hk416 really shines is when you get into a triple threat so with triple threat I mean short barrel suppressed and full auto so if you're doing all those things a piston gun is to put the inner be a little bit better and the reason for that is that the piston system that seems to handle that full auto fire a little bit better and the reason for that is you're gonna have a little bit less gas blowback on a full auto suppress short barreled 416 compared to a mark 18 and the reason for that of course is that you have less than gas traveling back into the system now no matter what you're going to have gas blowback coming back through the chamber of the gun there's no matter what and you can see it in the slow-mo videos you're going to have that no matter what you do but it's going to be a lot less than a mark 18 you're not gonna get quite as much coming up through the charging handle and that type of thing because you're not shooting those hot gases directly into the receiver another great thing about the H&K 416 is that there are a lot of great aftermarket parts out there for this particular rifle so I have one of them on the gun right now which is the guys Lee rail so guys a rail doesn't weigh less than the H&K rail but what it does do is it weighs about the same amount while giving you to sling points as well as extending past the gas block which allows you to match your accessories a little bit further out so I'm a big fan of the guys Lee rail and I use them on all my H&K 416 s that I've used another thing is of course going to be the guy's a trigger again I'm not trying to sound like a guy's a spokesperson because there are other great products but in this case I think the guy is a trigger is perhaps one of the best for the H&K 416 has a 4.5 pounds pol I'm a big fan of the guy Z triggers there just disappeared to milspec triggers now as far as groupings are concerned compared to like an ar-15 I am a little bit slower with an H&K 416 and the reason for that is because of that is just recoil it's hard for me to bring my dog back in a target before I can get that second shot off so when I'm doing anything like a bill drill or something like that my times are significantly well not significantly but about a solid point 10.20 slower compared to an ar-15 or mark 18 or something like that now at the same time is that like a huge deal no probably a little bit more training on the htk 416 and be just as good kind of managing that recoil and getting better at it but I have to try harder with the H&K 416 to shoot as fast as I do with a mark 18 as accurately so I did a couple tests here with hk416 that fired it semi for six rounds I did it suppress for six rounds and then I also did it full out of both unsuppressed and suppressed to kind of look at my groupings my groups are better when they are unser semi-auto than they are auto and that's just due to the fact that the cyclic rate on the hk416 there's a little bit out of control and because of that it's a little bit harder for me to control that gun to keep it on target for sustained fire [Music] so we've kind of seen that I do want to make a couple quick notes a couple quick fixes I don't want to just throw say you know a couple things without saying that you know you can make some certain things better so on the H&K 416 we talked about that vicious recoil cycle so you can tame it there are aftermarket buffers Lucas from t-rex arms use a very heavy buffer and that helped him really tame his rifle and the recoil is very nice on his particular 416 now the problem with that is that he slowed down the system so much that if he wasn't using really hot ammo that sometimes he would get failure to eject or extracting that type of thing so just realize that you can tame it but just realize that there might be problems as you can do this you need to find the balance based on what type of ammo you're shooting or whether it's suppress or unsuppressed and that will kind of help you figure out what buffer weight you're gonna need and that type of thing again if you do end up getting one of the newer it's UK for 16 as they become available I don't believe they're available to civilians quite yet with the adjustable gas blocks so that are that worked very well you might see that that thing kind of no longer be an issue where you don't have to change your buffer weights because again we're kind of on the impetus of a lot of on a lot of hk416 uppers and parts kits being released so there's a quick note there so as far as our cons are concerned we've kind of talked about them a lot as we've kinda been going through the pros but basically what you have is you have a viciously over gas system which has a reason there's a purpose behind it because of that you have a very stiff recoil impulse which makes you a little bit slower in this gun than you would would be on an AR or something like that as well it's heavy it weighs more than an ar-15 and it's more front heavy which leads to a little bit more fatigue when you're doing CQB type stuff but again nothing comes Bevin's free right so if you want an ultra reliable weapon then you're gonna have to make some sacrifices so again if you're looking to buy an 88 or 16 just realize kind of what you're sacrificing I know I've talked a lot about reliability when it comes to this gun I said hey it's ultra reliable it works really well that's that thing and absolutely this is a very reliable weapon system but that's not to discount at all the reliability of modern ar-15s and mark 18 such as the one that we have right here they're also incredibly reliable and work very very well it's just that in the case of the H&K 416 that reliability is taken to a ridiculous extreme so whether or not you are going to get one kind of depends on what you do in your purpose so again if you're shooting full auto suppressor or barrel I think the 416 is a really great option there are other great piston options out there realize that the the hk416 is not the only kind of a our pattern rifle that runs at isten and we'll be talking about those more in the future but it is definitely a good option should you need that kind of ultra reliability do realize when it comes to the HD a 416 that there are a lot of proprietary parts like the gas piston system itself and the bolt some put some of these parts are definitely interchangeable they are 15 but not all of them and because that you're looking to pay a little bit of a premium if you have any type of problems with the hk416 on top of that the H&K 416 is ridiculously expensive I got this upper for a pretty cheap price at about $2,900 but that was cheap I've seen them for more expensive some for less expensive but the point is is that your parent paying a lot of money for not a huge performance increase as far as reliability is concerned and you're getting a lot more muzzle rise a lot more recoil so for you know civilians yeah you can buy there's definitely a cool factor to it and it's very reliable but at the same time you know just realize what you're running into departments kind of understand that because you have such a viciously over against system you got a little bit more parts where I can paid compared to like a direct impinging gun so if you're gonna be like out in the middle of nowhere like just not able to clean your gun for whatever reason then yeah the 416 makes sense you know you're you're doing like a raid on a Taliban compound yeah you're about to smoke Osama bin Laden before 16 did it it's great but in most cases I really do believe that the direct and Pidgeon ar-15 is a better choice now we've talked a lot about the short barreled H&K 416 so when it comes to the longer variants like the 14 5 and the 16-inch barrel H&K 416 they're excellent some of the problems that this weapon has they don't have due to a longer barrel length and some less it's less over gas so because of that you have less parts where in that type of thing but when it gets to 14 5 and 16 the kind of benefits of the hk416 start to bleed off and I think that you're actually better with just a direct impinging gun so if you want to go as short as possible on a ar-15 style weapon I think that the 416 has a lot going for it the mark 18 has kind of always been on the bleeding edge of reliability with such a short barrel the 416 solves that it's a very reliable weapon system again you're gonna have all those problems that go along with it so just know what you're getting yourself into again I can't make that choice for you no undoubtedly the H&K 416 looks very very cool but you're only gonna look cool you know you're doing some guys make sure that you get training training is what matters without training you know all your cool toys are just that toys so get training on them again we got cog Works bear solutions esoteric Halley strategic all great companies get in there get that training for them guys and tell them that I sent you and they'll probably be creeped out which is great besides that guys I hope you've enjoyed our little talk on the H&K 416 get in there discuss it and I've got nothing else for you last thing I got for you is friends I your family is very important and because they're always gonna be there you know you're always gonna be kind of a part of that family maybe not so people lost families 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Length: 24min 57sec (1497 seconds)

Published: Tue Sep 11 2018