The History of Cocaine and Why It's Illegal with Dr. Carl Hart

the jurgen experience but again i'm a responsible grown-up right i'm 54 years old and i know what i'm doing um so when we think about something like cocaine cocaine not the [ __ ] that people sell on the street that's been stepped on so like when you go to places like columbia and you go to the source and you get really good cocaine like columbia cocaine is about seven dollars a gram whereas in new york it could be anywhere from 60 to 100 a gram um and not as good as a product in columbia so you go to the resource countries and you get good stuff um it could be a really good evening with you and your significant other you know and um um all of these sort of stories of people being paranoid about the cops with cocaine there are reasons to be paranoid if you're doing something wrong there so i get that i mean so i'm also worried about being arrested that's what i'm talking about yeah that's what's exactly what i'm that's exactly what i mean so there's a reason to that's a rational sort of thing uh but what's irrational is that are arresting people for what they put in their bodies yes agreed yeah agreed wholeheartedly i mean i always point out that you can go to cvs and buy enough liquor to kill yourself absolutely 24 7 all day long absolutely it's so easy to do absolutely yeah so but when we think about cocaine and why it's illegal cocaine came to the united states in a pot for the popular masses in the late 1800s and coca-cola this guy john pendleton i think his name was he put it in coca-cola well this product a cocoa wine uh and he was out of atlanta and uh he put it in cocoa wine in 1894 the next year atlanta banned alcohol so before prohibition alcohol was banned in orlando for prohibition just atlanta just atlanta i mean cities interesting various cities banned this prohibition happened in 1920 nationwide so since they banned alcohol in atlanta he had to come up with a new formulation and he and so what he did was tuck the alcohol out added carbonated water and sugar then you have coca-cola what that that's this is how coca-cola this is how coca-cola was made and he put it in the soda fountains so they sell that pharmacies at the soda fountains and they were for whites only so cocaine was used was typically available only to white people at that time but then in i guess maybe 1899 early 1900s coca-cola began bottling the products now it's available to black people and now you start to get these the connection between violence and cocaine use among black people and this sort of narrative grew and grew um to the point where we banned cocaine effectively in 1914 largely because of his association with black people using the drug a similar thing happened with opium and the chinese that's the real reason that those drugs are banned not because of pharmacology you know what i'm saying yeah now that's not to say that people can't get in trouble with these drugs because people do you know just like they can get in trouble with alcohol that's right that's right but the only stories that we tell about cocaine is the one where people get in trouble yes but i gotta tell you uh recently i watched uh pete davidson's movie what was that the king of staten island i think it is it was the first time in a popular movie where um the a hero uh used cocaine and he was still a hero so you might remember the scene where steve buscemi and uh i think bill bird they were talking about they didn't see the movie oh it was a great start was great a great scene where they were talking about pete's dad and pete's dad had used cocaine previously and pete didn't know this and but it was just a matter of fact the guy used cocaine he liked his cocaine but he was still the good guy he was a fireman he was a hero he was all of these things and they didn't besmirch him for using cocaine it's one of the few times that you see in popular culture that somebody uses something like cocaine and they're not besmirch they don't have they don't go down this path of becoming an addict and losing all of their possessions because of the drug yeah and so i thought like they're doing something here that's different and then that was really that was a great scene yeah most of the stereotypes about cocaine in hollywood are you know people using people seedy people people that have no compassion for each other ruthlessly ambitious people doing coke and just all full of themselves and high on themselves and i'm gonna take over this [ __ ] town that's what you you hear and see you know yeah um yeah i hope that changes man i know yeah well i mean uh i i would try it with you yeah i would try it yeah all right especially listening to you and knowing you probably get the real [ __ ] yeah i just uh i avoid things that make me confident i'm not interested in that i'm confident enough i'm plenty confident i like things that scare me that's why i like marijuana so much i do i do people think i'm kidding i'm not i i like the paranoia i like freaking out because i always come out of it at the other end with some sort of a lesson because i think sometimes um we can shield ourselves from things that are we're really worried about or shield ourselves from concerns that we have or even from ruthlessly introspective thoughts that come with uh high doses of marijuana and that's the thing that freaks a lot of people out i find them very beneficial some of the best moments i've had personally are after some of the wildest trips where i was like boy this is rough and it but at the end when it's over i come out feeling so much better i i feel you i mean that's great i mean because you know um that's useful uh you feel like you're a better person that's cool but sometimes you just want to be euphoric and just enjoy your significant other sure i mean you know what i'm saying so and and so cocaine or some other drug might be useful for that and so it's not like you have to have only that experience that frightens you and then you become a better person that yeah at the end of it um i'm all for that that's fine you got that um um but i would just say broaden your repertoire that's it the problem is like yeah if it was legal it'd be great like you could get pure cocaine and you knew what you were getting but if you're getting cocaine in austin texas you're probably getting it from some sketchy dude yeah who is also selling a bunch of other [ __ ] and yeah i mean i'm imagining i've never tried to buy it yeah but you know um two things here um we got the technology to put on the streets where people can just submit small samples of their drug 10 milligrams which is nothing and then they get a chem they get a readout of the chemical composition of their drug right we have that technology if the public would put pressure on their officials to make sure that it's available to people where they can submit their drugs small samples of their drugs free and anonymously uh and then they get this readout the problem is it's so taboo like if you even admit that you do cocaine people are like look at this guy who's ready to ruin his [ __ ] life barely hanging on over there carl look at you doing cocaine this is why in the book i admit my heroine use my cocaine use all of my drug use so i'm trying to change that image because i have met people all around the world some politicians and so forth and got high with these people of course i won't say who they are but the vast majority of people who use these drugs are people who are responsible take care of their families they care about their communities they do all this sort of stuff but hollywood and the media and the mythology is so powerful in showing only this one image yes um and i'm trying to really disrupt that because it's it's so harmful to so many people catch new episodes of the joe rogan experience for free only on spotify watch back catalog jre videos on spotify including clips easily seamlessly switch between video and audio experience on spotify you can listen 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Published: Wed Jan 13 2021