Scammer or Victim? You decide...

this is a pc of a woman in the uk who's working with scammers in india they've turned on her webcam to coach her how best to scam people who are usually pensioners and here she's talking to a victim okay right so the the final conversations at the minute then before you just got to me was that you spoke to a man from amazon yep who got through to you eventually he told you there'd been some suspicious activities on your amazon account you're going to see how a fake amazon call turns into a scam which rids the victim of their entire life savings and all this from a friendly sounding local woman and he contacted kevin matthews who then contacted you and now you're speaking with me lee knowings yes yes that's exactly where that happened there we are she says her name is lynn owens because she's pretending to be one of the uk's most senior police officers but of course she's just pretending in order to steal money the real lin owens heads up the national crime agency it's a bit like the uk's fbi now the best thing you can do at the moment as i did say unfortunately you did the wrong thing but we'll we're here to help okay all right so don't don't panic that's that's the important thing but you can see that i'm complaining obviously i'm gonna contact my bank yes exactly you did the right thing by calling kevin calling us ncaa well for amazon calling us that was the right thing to do if she seems a bit flustered by all of this it's because she's learning how to scam and she isn't quite good enough at it just yet but the other people in india are coaching her through what she has to do and they type notes onto her pc and will also send her text messages they even sent her the mobile phone she's using however with the rbs being involved that's that's wrong because we don't we don't know that there may be some where there is somebody within rbs communicating with these cyber criminals the scammers have already established that the victim whose name is karen banks with rbs or royal bank of scotland and they're using this fact to pretend that they're in liaison with her bank right thank you now that what you must not do and you must promise me this this has to be a secret you cannot tell your family your friend anybody because even though you may say innocently something they may then pass innocent information to somebody else this is all part of the victim grooming process they don't want her to say anything to anyone just in case she's alerted to the fact that this is a scam they especially don't want her to talk to anyone in the bank because they're trained to recognize the hallmarks of a scam okay this is happening at all levels okay they're not picking on you personally they're picking on everybody i don't know okay no no okay but right but we need to get we need to catch the thief okay right okay all right we've done that so what we what we need is your help in order to get more information more um proof that there is fraudulent activities against you we we know there are but we need precise proof that this is going on so we can actually arrest the parties involved in the actions and it's this narrative where they're requiring the victim to help catch a thief in the bank which is the crux of this scam she has to sound confident and authoritative in order to get the victim to transfer money to an account owned by the scammers have a think at the moment now but when you're ready what i need you to do will be to make a transfer from your own account okay a bogus one a bogus transfer which will be authorized from somebody within rbs at a low level we will call it at the the um the local bank level the local branch level even if it's online it doesn't matter it's a local branch level while on the phone fair glenn would receive bank account details of money mules the people whose bank accounts would be used by the scammers in india to receive funds from the victims so that the details of that employee are then known at the higher levels who they are that has authorized your transaction this is not a real transaction this is toy town transaction okay does that make sense this is it's dummy yeah yeah yes i'm just listening to great things so you're nodding going into toy town bank to do to do a transaction okay you do that and big ears is waiting outside to drive away okay well what i've seen on different things on the tv and read different things about it what you're suggesting that i do that's what they do you know that's what you're suggesting that i do is to make a transaction and then that's like you supposedly into my bank details you know so yeah you know what i'm saying i know you're trying to help me but at the end of the day it's like you know you're telling me to do one thing that someone's telling me authority this is what i'm asking you to do this is exactly why banks tell people never to transfer money to so-called safe accounts more than likely it's exactly this sort of scam the fake lynn owens now has to reassure the victim right madeline owens nca director general this is what i'm asking well i'm telling you to do this in order that we have full proof and information on the the guilty people who are using your identities okay we know of the three dummy transactions well you see well you see what i've just said to yes earlier that i've been back onto my bank and there has been nothing criminal taken out of my bank account you know for all these people supposedly making transactions on my bank account there is nothing out of my bank account what's out of it because the victim's already gone to her bank and checked that there are no suspicious transactions this fake line owens now has to assure the victim that she's genuine listen to how she does this if you're suspicious about me personally karen while you're on the line now you can google me while i'm holding you can google me my name okay lin owens and then you'll understand that i am who i am okay and your actual the people within your rbs have actually done the same thing okay okay okay so if you you read the google group and you will see and you will you will i hope understand what a national crime agency obviously with any phone call it pays to be skeptical anyone can pretend to be anything and have a read all about me then you'll know who i am and who i stand for okay i'm trying to bring you through this you know you've just got to use everything you know you don't know who you're speaking to the end of a phone and you don't know what's going on and you need to watch about it and it's on the news and everywhere you know martin luther king what you're watching you know so you know you've got i understand yes i do i entirely understand your suspicion at this point the victim explained to fake lynn that she had to go but she would follow up the next day okay you take care of yourself and you say after after lunch yeah after lunch yeah after lunch then picks up her phone so that she can speak to the scammers who've been listening to the entire conversation i'll also forward wine through some personal details about the victim and will continue the conversation that she has with the scammer but i've impressed on her and she understands that she cannot disclose any of this to anybody and then we can go on to the next stage okay okay if you're wondering how i can see the webcam and hear the audio it's because the scammers have control of this woman's pc and i can see the scammer's computer i've i've got written down now exactly what was what happened and so i'll write that down actually and i told her that the worst thing she did actually in the nicest sense she did the wrong thing with with the bank involvement banks termed this sort of scam as an authorized push payment and is one of the most devastating honest victims she's not going to talk to them i told her no no she did she said that she said she's talked to mr matthews obviously kevin and she said i'm talking with you now he said to talk to linowin's at it so that's what she's doing but while she's congratulating herself on having convinced that victim it gives me a chance to call that victim instead in the meantime fake lynn thinks she has this one in the bag yes i will i won't forget i promise all right then okay well let's let's how we get on with this she's the most she's the most um concerned one that i have to say i've been talking with so far and she had been trying the same scam numerous times over the course of a week until i managed to get the police involved keep everything across all right now you be careful driving please i'm always telling kevin to be careful driving please as you can hear she's built up quite a rapport with the scammers so much so that when the police investigated her they concluded that she was a victim herself and was naive and vulnerable you may have your own opinion on the role of this woman in these scams and feel free to comment below but the police have a wider view of what's gone on more than you see here so i have to leave it that this woman is a victim herself and therefore i have to keep her details blurred but the reason that i upload these videos is so that people can recognize scams having a local accent in no way guarantees that it isn't a scam as you can see here however it was immensely satisfying to call her victims and then listen to the follow-up calls that she made to those people hello kenny fiona here fiona mirra and ccu no it's not sir what do you want i'm speaking with you earlier yeah yeah call me back when you've been to the branch a bit of the police instead you see you went to the police okay yeah i think you are the scammer scammers were in ccu so i think you're the scammer i've got you master you sir no you're me who is your contact in the police i mean right now i'm telling you so you don't speak to somebody like that you're not somebody you're a scammer you are so are you not are you not contributing with this case i am i'm am i of course i'm not the nccu will have no option other than close this case on you there's no case because you're a scammer no sir that's it you are trying to rip me off so i go to the bank what have you got to say for yourself pity you sir is what i have to say to you because you continuing you're trying you're trying to rip me off won't you do not appreciate being sworn to listen you were trying to rip me off you close this case you are assisting cyber criminal activities and in doing so also no i'm not are you're placing yourself in such a crime whoa yes you are no i'm not you now know about the scam being done on you personally by people you are the scammers i i believe that you're the scammers who have your personal details and are using them you you guys are the scammers each of them phone calls swear at me again also you will be reported by me well you report me then because you know you get reported between nccu the conversations are all recorded nccu i think you're on that on that part as well look it up google it now right now oh yeah it's pr it's probably legit it's probably there you're not the part of it you're you're acting as a scammer through them how do you sleep at night yeah how will you sleep tonight knowing that you are involved you are wishing for this pace to be closed correct yeah that's your indian comrades i'm working in in junction with you probably i don't know you do not have a gender bias you do not have a race bias i've got to go listen that's all right let's continue race does not matter sir but playing the race card wasn't going to work the scammers genuinely were controlling her from india so who were the people doing all of the controlling watching fake lin's pc it was clear that they had a lot of money at their disposal undoubtedly scammed from other victims here they are moving over 30 000 pounds into bitcoin and they were located where the vast majority of robocalls originate in salt lake sector 5 in the city of kolkata in india i can't yet reveal the identity of the groups involved in india because it's still an ongoing investigation but i hope that i've provided enough information that action can be taken there if you're a patron of mine at the right level you can see additional content which covers some more of this woman's scams and if you would like to support me in my fight against scammers there's various links in the description below about how you can support me thank you again for watching these videos and for your continued support on youtube you

Channel: Jim Browning

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Length: 16min 28sec (988 seconds)

Published: Fri Sep 10 2021

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[u/Different_Fishing_52]

You'd think the UK police would know if this scammer was being played too but it seems not at this stage. Says more about the police/CPS than anything else; they care about this as much as the Indian police do.

[u/GreenThamizhan]

Aww, poor thing didn’t know pretending to be someone else and scamming people’s money is a crime. Those scum Indians made her do it. Definitely a victim for sure. Scammer can only be from the inferior Indian race. /s

[u/Huddlestone]

Spine chilling...god knows what happened to those who lost their entire savings to this scam.