Pee Wee Kirkland: 1st Harlem Drug Millionaire, Bigger Than Frank Lucas

now at the height of your drug empire like how much money were you making like an how big was your organization I have no idea I think I did a cover story with finders you x naught u @f t you should meet him right oh yeah for there sometimes yeah yeah I did you know very few people do lunch with empty day I was reading article not long ago actually and I did it while back they said his net worth was 30 million you know at that time you know I don't know I never really I never really thought about it like that and I don't think anybody in the game thinks about it like that when he in it could have been that could have been more B and I'm the reason why is because when you getting that kind of money especially me I was like they called me the bank of Harlem so and nobody had a problem in Harlem that didn't come to me about even that guys worked for me that that was their job to make sure so every business people brought to me I would give them money for the business and I wouldn't make 50% profit and the same thing I was doing but I wasn't doing it in Harlem other place in New York the boutiques on 60 Street a lot of but I was doing that through other people so I was like Sherlock and money but at but I just only difference is they paid interest but in Harlem you know never fade no interest you know and anyone I did favorites where it wasn't business they never had to pay me back so I don't know if you can count that kind of money you know I mean I mean I remember going one time guy was saying what man people you don't get well 500 tickets to go see your mom and I leave they fry $1 apiece I say yeah they for me so you see them saying so I just did it in the whole entourage was that able to go to FICO they'd never would have been at the fight no other way so what do you think of don't think you don't really think I'm you just keep doing it so when you think of things like that you're not really counting money you just know in your mind you think you got more money you're ever gonna need in your entire life and you doing most you just spending money and having fun and and and in doing you know crazy things I know Harlem never seen that kind of money I know that for sure because before me in Harlem like look at the hip-hop world they know that about me because the hip-hop world days steady history so they know Harlem they know like they have books out gangsta Harlem you see they know what happened in that era in Harlem and there was no error in Harlem were young people there was so many young people that was me and it was crazy before that it was older guys now I'm older games because I I mean I'm not proud to say it but it is what it is I was that first young person to open up that door and in young people just went through it and and they're always successful I mean before that in Harlem the road it was the Fleetwood and Fleetwood Brougham or Cadillacs or Lincoln Continental and then when that era came man pre-rolled corniche roars roars Bentley's Lamborghinis Ferraris Maseratis I mean you name it steps Bearcats you called that people in Harlem never phantom you know what I mean I mean it's crazy when I was in college they wouldn't give me a scholarship you know you know when I was in office eight the government governor wouldn't let them give me a scholarship because of the type of cars that I would have parked in front of lunch room but you know he wouldn't give me a scholarship so I personally used to go to games in a 600 limousine Mercedes limousine and you see them saying now with like 60 what 66 67 so but I'm you know but but one just me god I'm a big home big you'd come to certain clubs and the cars was like triple Park so Harlem had never seen like I said that kind of money and it wasn't just me it was just young people a lot of people can't connect two dots because see when I got arrested it was always me getting arrested I mean you know I used to tell them how to not get arrested so how did I get arrested you know the I guess you know again the government Institute but they forgot the way to when the when the D say we want that's it you know I mean whatever means they have to go through to get you they're gonna do it you know sure now you talk about you were kind of the first young person to really blow it kind of was off of drugs in Harlem like how old were you when you really blew up know was I was blowing up before that that's what cause that's from Santee you know how how old of like like like what a 14 and 15 years old the same age I was robbing Jerusalem the same age I was selling jury $300,000 $400,000 you see them saying so you take everything out the store in a window you think and I it's you know when I was kid I used to study jury I know color stones better than jewelers it's always new jury so I knew what was what you'd work what was the right jury what was the most of jury that people wear that says faked almost close to fake but it looked good so therefore you know and then once you find the connection sell juried I was like something I did so me going to the game it wasn't even me being the game of them basically people trying to pay me with that because they didn't have the money that they should've paid before the jury and then they instead of paying me to pay somebody else right somebody else got to give me their money and then dad kept for having to keep having it kept happening so who was really financing or indirectly me right okay so so you start out with the jewelry thing but then it went into the drug thing later on financing the drug thing yeah so was it was a cocaine heroin both heroin heroin that was the drug this is before the crack era yeah sure was no crack crack as a cheap girl I mean you know crack is yeah I mean just to say cheap people use drugs crack is NEX Mishka Jabba - here on eco cocaine was a more expensive drug and heroin was crack would cause the epidemic crack to start crack is actually the only drug that that gives you a rush outside of here on so that's how the cracker to me hit so hard so many even though it wasn't the same habit it was the same Russia's heroin so that's why so many legitimate people got caught out there businessmen Wall Street guys they go somewhere with his crack at next thing you know they're sitting there and ain't got a hat they don't have to have it like you're on here but they can't leave they can't leave they walking at the writing checks sending people to bank with the cars everything they can't leave because it's that kind of habit once you you just more you is history the more you can't go anywhere you just wanted more you wanted more you want more you that feeling but there was that rush but they got messed up because for years wealthy people was always using drugs through our Bel Air Beverly Hills California every way rich people they all chewed out was they drug her chokes cocaine you know it was a sex rope you know so now they always did that but they always had a lot of money but they never got hooked cuz it you didn't get hooked but when crack hit it was that rush like heroine and that's what brought everybody down from the top to the bottom now I remember the the movie American Gangster you know which kind of outlined the whole Frank Lucas right now Frank Lucas was before you know same time same time yeah okay so did you interact with Frank Lucas during your time yeah I remember well not in Iraq when you say in Iraq what do you mean I mean well you know each other did you guys ever work together or he saw me I was up there and he was here oh so you were way bigger than Frank Lou oh yeah that's right in everybody else industry to turn ok now Frank Lucas had hit got all his heroin from I guess from Vietnam if you want to get in caskets where'd all your stuff that didn't happen oh that didn't happen no I didn't know that was all made up so okay so what was your connect back there the same people owe me money for jurors that I would never tell you if I would go to jail don't tell the government you know ain't gonna tell you okay I think Lucas wanted to do a movie everyone play a game you know so he created a game and did a movie I mean I see I see him you know not found out something when I was out and I just found out something when I when I was out in a Vegas just recently yep he had one time well my brother snatched some people that was working for him and it just took their money Frank found out about it and when I think when when he found him I think one of the guys the Frank was going off from say this what we do the people win you put yourself in viscid mess with people that old us money and the guy wants man you know that is he said who he says Pee Wee's brother in Frank's oh [ __ ] man I ain't I didn't know that man you know I didn't know that looking at how many had a little money man you know what your timing decent man you don't Dan got to do is come to me because they know that I wasn't the guy to do something like that to not my brother and not no friend and not nobody I knew you know I mean it is what it is in every and everything what I'm saying is everybody know I got a hundred calls about American gangsters because you see that incident where what did they do I think when they went to the garden in the chinchilla coat that's something I did nobody even knew the chinchilla coat I was in every business you could imagine from diamonds furs antiques everything so being in forbiddance I remember the exact date happened I saw I I was I like that links the belly links I mean I'm Oklahoma coast cost $100,000 and hundred twenty-five thousand then I liked it but it's too much of a female fur and I like the chinchilla in the end the guy the first look at four you know I could do I'm gonna make it male I'm gonna turn the Lynx around instead of going this way this way to make it male he made it you made head I said yeah I like that I like and I wore to the frame in evidence of it is I think what was the Jet magazine needed to fight it fight it a month or something like that they took a picture of me standing and talking Diana Ross with Dakota and that and it's saying people he went to got to the fight with which was margarita made thousand on daughter's godmother Willie Mays wife so a lot of things that happened they tried to implement things out of my life and put it into that you know me but I mean I really care about that kind of thing because but in my life stories is on the big screen they'll see more of what the truth is it would never be a tell-all story and you know ruining people lives because you know you got people back didn't like the crime world of judges and lawyers and some of the Supreme Court you know but if they didn't get caught they went on moving on with their life so I would never do even my life story it would be just the frantic because other people just never gonna happen but it will be real and it will you see it would be a lot realer than an American gangster but I got a lot of calls saying man he doing your nights I know I'm doing my life story first of all you could never do my life suit and I could put the right thing on screen but I'm never gonna I could have let me try and do my life story maybe when Frank might have been in junior high school so since nineteen when I went to Lewisburg federal penitentiary you United Press International send me forms to fill out saying they want to do my life story and the warden won't let them come and see me but they say if I fell out the questionnaire they could create the script from that and when I looked at the first questions it said we understand that your mother you know basically you know was working hard and didn't have lot so you probably did what you could that was it I never read the second question because it's no way in the world I'm gonna blame my mother for me being incarcerated and the guys read Dillard myself on that date he said people you got to do it man you can get out of the other no you can't get me out of here saying my mother got me idiot so I never filled out but they've been trying to my life storage since then but I wouldn't do it and I wasn't gonna do it because once you wake up you know when you know where it is you know what it's not I'm not gonna put something on the big screen a glorify the gangster world because once you put a big screen like you said American Gangster you could never get it back so they'll see the truth in my life story but they don't see the sucker ending to pain they gonna see to hurt they gonna see what I saw that made me say I'd rather pluck [ __ ] out of a dog's ass with the toothpick didn't find myself back in the life of crime back into selling drugs you seen him saying that's again that hundred-year lusion that keep destroying so many people lives I mean when you talk about heroin I mean number one you talk about what seems to be like the mo the most serious drug out there it is in terms of in terms of really in terms of you know directly affecting people's lives their health and so forth and you also talk about a level of violence that you don't see in other drugs like you know weed or ecstasy or or whatever else but what do you think was some of the most serious situations that you got into during that time well you know what's crazy is it's almost like just serious situations that I was into with the people with the script talked to people I don't you know Dale see him but I think you don't ride around Harlem having shootouts with the police in broad daylight with everybody looking at people getting shot up and 15 in 20 blocks you can't do that in Harlem and people don't see it you can't do that in Harlem and people don't talk about it you see them saying so you can't fake that you could say what you want but the thing that the difference in peewee Kirkland's life and all it and a lot of these guys like just talking and running their mouth normally I don't say nothing but they saw it and they say and I'm only who I am because they said not I said they saw it they've made me who I was I didn't make me [ __ ] I never want to be no gangster the last thing I want to do in my life was to be a damn gangster I wanted to be the greatest point guard ever play the game I became net because I came in an era where I would I would give my life because I someone's I demanded respect so you had to take my life to disrespect me and that led to other things that led to other things and and like I said a lot of incidents where the people with other people I just gave you your idea of incident god of Brooklyn he he basically gotten in Halle bowl with him three hundred thousand dollars basically took it he come to me peewee you know I mean I don't know I just become you may cause maybe get him trade back in in in and I said where's he at cross freak I mean in movie to come on Louise because he was his name was bigger than mine for mine got big and hit but I said when you're gonna pay him he's I'm okay that's a win he someone get to my next week us alright you got it you paid him nobody can make somebody pick through in a lot like that unless people see you as a legitimate force you see them saying so yeah don't things to come out but but people know but you want you and that's why I in the movie said that's okay cuz then you see the other side you see the pain you see the hurt you see the turnaround but sometimes you don't want to talk you got to be careful talk about it because guess what you know needs young kids are different yeah but that I talked to I turn need lives around all I did when I travel all over the country I deal with young youngsters their shooters and what makes me so effective at turn a life around and making them see they life is looking in my life because most of them want to be the boss they want to be the modern day for your customer they want to run the game they want to be a shooter they want that reputation you see them saying and when I make them understand their value then that's when things turn around because unless you value your life why would you value my life you know how easy is it for me to take your life I don't value my own life but so I make them understand their value their life I make them understand you know that it this ain't the only thing this ain't the only weight it's other ways your pretension you know we look at hip-hop and we love hip-hop and hip-hop is a good thing the best thing after generation but it's a side of hip-hop that a lot of young people keep taking advantage of and abusing and trying to connect it with the life of crime connected with the drug gang connected with the word gangster I mean it's some of them lived that life and God bless but I won't be there for every kid because I don't think it's no child in the world whose life can't be turned around because mine was you got guys I know in prison young said God Fisher never met in person in my life doing a double life sentence supreme my Long Island in prison you know saying I'm saying probably never one get out those guys are no different than the P we currently and new came later but all I'm saying to you the government or lock them down they'll never see the street as long as they live you know many people lives up turned around thousand thousand I write things in a magazine like the magazine did the cover fed magazine or the draw game is over can't nobody say that back then with me anybody I was a cinnamon tell that but if I say it then people know it's almost like the Bible they accept it you know many people live there turned around that magazine calls in in New York City in magazine understand what it calls five dollars and guess what they sold it was selling for in Vegas one hundred dollars you see them saying and guess what in prison half the guys was fighting over it arguing old man you got to read that man I'm telling you man is crazy I was on the subway maybe about eighteen months ago the guy woke me said man few wooden bleachers man I'm sorry my wife right here she probably cry said why he said when I was in prison I read that Fed magazine he said man I called my wife I said I'm finished with the game she said what do you mean oh you say you've been going back and going back like this and you're gonna tell me you read a magazine some guy wrote you don't even knowing you finished with the game she said up and seven years period I've been home with my kid weird huh I saw you right now peewee she would cry you see what I'm saying it happens all the time Ludacris you know the rapper Ludacris one time I saw her you know Ludacris told me he said peewee let me tell you something he was on the radio I'm in Atlanta and it was like a basketball game he I walked by he took the earphones off he said people let me tell you something when I read that fact read magazine turned my entire life around there I'm telling you P and he gave me a hook it's all I'm saying people go after the truth I'm saying people know I don't see things in truth you see them saying so all I'm saying you is that's the power that's that mission that's what I didn't know my life was about that was the happiest person you ever met in your entire life from doing what I do because people most people can't talk to the people I'm around and every time I deal with these kids and every time I get between stopping this kid from shooting this kid I'm putting my life on the line because these kids are real about handling their business and people know that the hip-hop world know that I'm not on the the the he hip-hop walls of beauty I'm not there I'm not up there they built that's daytime they belong there I want to be where I'm at you see them saying I want to be doing exactly what I do was doing it in Vegas was doing in California been all the world traveled on through you know about it because when you read if I'm on social media I'm never on social media so only thing could ever be about Pee Wee Kirkland social media is what people say so they got me you see them saying because they know the reality I like like I I'm not I'm not gonna wear she'd stop listen I liked meek mill but all of this [ __ ] is making you look bad on me I'm saying Houston want to be signed a Rockefeller but then he turned in the clothes yeah I understand what he's saying but you got to understand how that could be okay you're taking a shot at jay-z you could be taking a life you're taking the show and hip-hop be like bro you ain't J you're Drake which is fine

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Length: 21min 23sec (1283 seconds)

Published: Wed Mar 23 2016