Frank Cullotta on 'Casino', Tony Spilotro, Killing Informants, Cooperating w/ Feds (Full Interview)

all right here we go we have Frank Cullotta former Las Vegas mobster and hit man whose story was partly depicted in the classic Scorsese movie Casino that's correct I was a consultant Coran accent we'll talk me and we'll talk about that here the interview but I want to get into your whole story because it's a very interesting story so you were born in Chicago in 1938 that's correct and your father was a gangster my father was a it was a criminal a crook it wasn't a gangster okay what's the difference a gangster you belong to a group of people you're part of an organization he was independent okay he could have been a gangster anything he wanted but he preferred not to be okay and apparently your father was a killer that's correct okay do you know how many people he killed I was quite young dinner I could only tell you from what I heard and it's not to me like at least three or four you know okay and the way he died was actually a car crash running away from the police that's correct they were chasing me hit up at the time they had boot Lincoln stamps you know was like you just buy stuff with these stamps the government stamps and his car he had a whole bunch of him in a car and that's why he took off from the police okay and you were what eight years old when he died yeah okay so you remember him but not you'd have rely for him very well I didn't know what he had done for a living but I know I know I was the apple of his heart you know as I okay so here you are a little kid and now your dad passes away and although he didn't expose you to the criminal life you started to actually be around it fairly earlier yeah I used to I took notice of his friends the people are you socialized with because they were very good to me they Bamie toys they buy me stuff that the ordinary kid come f9b known to me was probably stolen and I like the way they dressed I like the way he dressed the clothes they were the types of cars they drove and he used to always put me in between his legs are steer to curb sighs I like to drive and I didn't know done but I'd liked it and very early on he became friends with Tony Spilotro whose character was played by Joe Pesci in casino that's a fact yeah okay so how did the two of you become friends well I didn't like to go to school so my mother says you got to start earning the money you don't want to go to school she's make yourself a shoe box go out there and shine shoes so I built the shoe box and I went on the street which was right in front of miles was called Grand Avenue and I went down the street towards Elmwood Park is a little suburb and they had a lot of gas stations I mean I'm sorry taverns that we call them taverns so you're going to taverns change some trunks shoes he'd give you a quarter or nickel so doing this first couple days I was doing pretty good then I ran it to somebody and I heard a guy yelling hey you and I looked there was this little short guy on the other side it's true umeri says I follow him to the middle of the street at that time there were street cars there was no there was cars but there were street cars so we met in the middle of the street and he said to me since this is my territory I don't watch in it I had a cocky mouth even back then I was about 12 years old I looked up at the street saying I sound a seer name on a street sign and he says if you're here tomorrow I'm going to break your head I said I'll be here tomorrow he's what's your name say SiC colada and he said I what's your first name it's a Frank Cullotta I didn't better to ask him his name but I'll bear tomorrow so he left and I love the next 3-4 days I was back there I didn't see him maybe a week went by then I heard my name again we met in the middle of the street I didn't know what he was gonna say to me of course he said what's your father's first name I said what do you want to know for pieces because my father might know your father to God I would his father know my father and I said Joel he's my father knows your father he says your father saved my father's life he says we got to become friends here we're gonna be lifelong friends more or less worse to that effect and I expressed it alright so then he explained to me how his father heard it he was discussing what is four or five other brothers about the incidents with me I guess it was looking for him to come to help him I don't know and they father overheard it in the other room and that's when the father approached them and said find out with that boy's father's first name was because the earth collided alright so from that damn we became friends and we stole together fought together other people we didn't fight with each other I never had a fight with each other to each other okay now what were the first few crimes that you guys did together well there were petty most naturally because they're young you know young kids we ran into I was like a big fishing star was a it was a Grand Avenue starts in the suburbs and they sold knives and fishing tackle and all that baloney so we bow it into star and Tony grabbed one of them bowie knives and he ran out of this store so Costa must not sham what am i run out with him so that's the first little petty thing and then the oh one of the employees come chasing us out Tony banished the knife like he was gonna stab the guy and we left then the next robbery we got a we wish to wrap paper bags newspaper bags people used to drop money in there take a paper out there was and their honor and we take the money out of the bag and then we got we started getting older and start stealing cars together I knew how to steal the car scishow know how to steal cars and then we robbed I believe our first robbery was the currency exchange that's we call them currency exchanges back then you catch pays payroll checks and stuff like that then local alarm bell a ringer so we knew where it was we knew it at dead it would just ring out a lot or wouldn't go directly to police station so he got on my shoulders and he reached up there and grabbed the backs because it was like in his enclosure where the Darwin ax and he pulled it down then we made entry and we went in there we didn't know what they were doing so we only grabbed the money that was in the drawers all right it was a little bit more looser when we did it they didn't have that trapdoor where you get stuck in between the door to get in there and we got that under me we got $1000 and that was like big money and then we just talked together and that's basically it I mean we start stealing later on again but he went his way and I went our way and we still remain to be fronts you know okay now in New York there is five Mafia families but in Chicago there's just one that's correct and that's called the outfit we had one boss nobody ever spoke directly to him except his underboss and at different times that one bosses name would change turn it to somebody else because he would retire it started out I don't go back to Al Capone that's too far from it I go back to Tony Accardo all right he worked for Al Capone he became the boss and whenever he retired and which he did several times let's say he retired in 1972 60 throat Paul Ricca we call up all the way to Rico then he took over for ten years he went up to 1972 somewhere around that year within that time he did a little time in jail because they had I figured what they called the projectors you know the movie industry - projector unit Paul Ricca hooked it up got that going a lot of money in day you could close Hollywood down with it back then with these cameras well the Jewish guy he was working with her got him involved with a plaintiff Rowland and Rica did a little time so when he went to jail for their little bit of time they put another guy in there now I believe at the time I could be wrong because like I said I wasn't working for them but I knew what was going on but not I didn't in other words I wasn't putting my finger and every doctor was there it could have either been Joey Ayyappa for sam giancana I know at one point Sam Giancana did take over to Chicago off that's there to be maybe a Testament Kennedy when we got kennedy in office the president so it probably was she and kind of with into sixties all right and then Giancana got screwed up a few times and then Joey Ayyappa took over it like I say was confusing but then all the time uncle Carter would come back and they'd have a meeting of maybe four or five guys that were made guys and they decide who they would like to be their superior but that's the way actually went way ran he okay and and and Tony wanted to become a made man in the outfit when we were 16 years I don't care you heard a story a million times mostly yeah I know it came out of my mouth and people just grab and run with it he said to me he's to call me Brahma meaning a bull because I was always a big guy husky tough at least that's what they told me I never thought of myself being like that he said Brahma one of these days I'm gonna be the boss to the outfit and I want you to be my man my right-hand man and I looked at him and I left I said I don't want to be involved with no gangsters I some doing good as I'm gone he said you gotta come with me I trust you I said Tony good luck Isis a long time down the road he's the only thing that's all of me up from getting there quicker is my height he had to think about his size as I but it wasn't too much shorter than the average boss at that time and he got close to it let's put it like that so you guys start to get older and the crimes are getting more serious he started doing bank robberies oh yeah I was uh I was on the road that means you know looking for robberies on the road with two other fellows once guy's name was Richard Gorman and the other guy's name was pauly Shiro both of them are legitimate guys until I tournament the criminals at this particular time in life Tony was already worked his way up to the Cicero crew and the guy who was stealing was his name was James 3rd Arella we call him Turk he was highly connected to Joey Ayyappa I knew this but I didn't socialize with Tony at this particular time so the three of us just to go out sticking up taverns all right we're trapped down we run in a tavern and we stick him up and we run out one time we had a shootout and it was a very very bad shootout as a matter of fact one of the guys got his hair parted down the center from one of the bullets when he got in the car the people come running at the saloon shooting at us and they were shooting back and as we were driving down a street we got away and we're driving in a near Tony South splatter sauce and we had the cops were on us back there so the two guys in the back are one guy in the bag jumped out it hung God the window shot at the car cops and not I guess hit the windshield and they hit a pole so he got away so Tony seen us go by his house he was parked in front of his house the next day he come looking for me after we got rid of the guns in the car he's I know that was you Isis yeah hey so when he would he just and we don't say you crazy he said coming to show you easy where they make money he says I could go with you are you gonna cut you got to cut some into the bosses he says the bankroll it's the bankroll Sam I got a runner up thinking of banks now he said it's not like you like your errand he says we get bank messengers ASIS I'll show you it's a couple days letter M and I went to a few banks and he showed me what the people used to do they go into Bank Asus get in line get yourself bringing some change have the lady at the teller put him in a wrapper estrella this we could see was in line would how much they they're taken out so I done that and I just happen to see a guy pulled ten thousand and I come on it's the guy just ice I counted the wrappers you know each stack of money's got her money right brighter Toshi the denomination I saw was 10,000 there beside it he look Isis he was warned this that you know the colored clothes he's I seen him he said that chances are that guys gonna do the same thing next week following week he didn't go back with me I went back with the other two guys I mentioned lo and behold there was that same guy same time I told him what to look for the guys I'll say then when the guy walked out I said he had different clothes on and I give his description facial and oh they said yeah he went this way so we did it again the next thing he came out they were aware who was and they followed a suit of car we followed they fall into the car and then we jumped in the car and we followed him to his place the business people are creatures of habit they're gonna do the same thing over and over again they're comfortable with it so the fourth to fifth day me done it we robbed him right in the bank in the Le by his start place the business where he took the money so we did about four or five in them then I said we gotta get out here they're gonna put a trap eventually cops are gonna get on dish Isis so we need to get out do it somewhere else we decided to go to Wisconsin and we did and as luck would have it the first guy is seen at 20,000 we got him a week later because he was gonna do the same thing we got a maybe a week in week two weeks later it's just a long right to go out there and come back that's the only scary part about a touchy part so then we decided to doing a back in the city again downtown but this guy is the walk de Loup downtown Chicago and it's pretty hard with a lot of people all around you well my partner Dickie garments is not a problem we'll handle is sky land low you get on one side of mouth get on the other guy come out of the bank he's walking were walking puts the gunner in his side to take the money scare him after that the guy don't scream we get away and there was I don't know if you want to keep on going on with this could I could go on forever you want to go out with him I mean to finish the story yeah all right then another one was we went to Lana gay in Oak Park Illinois but every time we went there we'd have to meet underneath a Vidak you know what if I talk is the streets go over it it's like a tunnel that goes under a street and sometimes they flood and they call it via tax alright so I retain me God the guy would be walking this way and you know he'd look at you like sort of funny like you scared him at this particular family at 6,000 so we started the walk we're just laying on Tigana we had the car park illegitimate car block Wayne and Ellie so we're walking the guy looks he chose the bag of money at me they thought he was gonna get robbed and he runs so Vicki Garmin and myself we look at each other we grab the bag we run back to the we jump in the car and the le but I have to block away we didn't have no license we had legitimate license plates Anna it was a Lincoln big Lincoln no legitimate car we pull out the Le when we got to get around the rally there was four guys with blue shirts they belonged to a fire department so evidently this guy sees somebody and says somebody robbed him we weren't there to rob him but it's too late now we went around that card a chases we got away but the cops got the plate Trudy's people partial plate and then then it then it started then my life I got to be known and that was one of my first arrests and I was by a cop a name of Frank Pape known to kill kill it known to kill burglars armed robbers it was the detective here Anna the robbery union at 5th and state downtown he's a ferret ferret policeman and I got arrested on the street when I had a Cadillac convertible the only one used to drive one of these cars these two get mad at me the outfit and I got pulled over by a Gavin him and Mike Gargano and this cop named ersal Thurso was a cop he worked for Pape and the robbery crew gargano was his friend a buddy they own together I didn't know at the time these two cops were muscling drug dealers all right and they were think of ripping their money off there were crooked cops one of them was Gargano was just his buddy as a matter of fact they both went to jail because they kill one of the drug dealers his name was lover lover so I'm like I know ticket I didn't deal with her but I knew him I was locked up on him and they arrested me and they got me in a car in a sort of rough guys you know and I'm just smirking at him I took what he got at me they brought me in eleventh estate they I was beating up in this room to handcuff me in a chair they use foam books on my head they kicked me and to share over I was handcuffed them back to me then wanted me to talk I wouldn't thought then who comes in the room Frank babe and he starts on me she would think you're a tough guy and I said no and he Sue's talking to you a book nice man head he strode us mf'er out of the window at least this guy's serious they but before they did I used up things on him I don't know what he's talking about cattle prompts it's a big ride I don't the hell it was I'm with a chair like this book they give me shock and his sight for me and my inner thigh knocked me in a chair over you know I'm not showing him that it hurts you know you got to show you a tough guy all right sees laughs Anna goes either drove out the window they bring me to the window but I'm handcuffed aback and I'm thinking they're not gonna trim rad this one I got cuffs on if they take these cuffs off I'm gone I'm dead I'm under Lovett's floor they didn't think I'm out they hung me partially I had the window that's a scary thing right so I just looked down and I looked at all the little people walking around on there and I throw any minute I'm going if hopefully it ain't I'll take these cuffs off then they pull me back up they give me a few more slaps hit it's in the face walked out of her room but a half hour later they bring me into the room where Frank papers he says your father's name was Joe colada wasn't he and I looked at my eye shed they see she'll never beat a man your father was although you did a good job today he says I'm gonna let you go you talk to these two guys that brought you in make a deal with him your car will be parked in the garage in the building and a garage parking so to dorsal he leaves gargano brings me to my car 1:36 honor I tell you six thousand of the bay faces will meet you Fullerton narragansett tomorrow I'll bring you to your car and that's what happened I'm in I'm the following day I give him 236 honor then I had the reputation is paying off the Cavs there were like bloodsuckers they come from everywhere they see on the street they pull you over $50 honor $50 back tens a lot of money hundred a lot of my constantly they never batted me fellows would have would have brought a girl lady never about every day at least they give you that letter straight so they started doing it to me and not only me much other guys though so here you are essentially a career criminal by your early 20s and then in 1962 you're 24 years old and you end up killing William McCarthy and James Marat glia good guy Yuma stated that I was involved I stole with these guys I was stolen it was either I give up Billy McCarthy if I didn't and I would get killed so I had to make a choice between my life and his life you gotta choose your own life to live right now if you care to hear that story I could tell you let's hear it we were burglars together these two guys than myself likable guys but very dangerous Billy we called the goat that was his nickname Jimmy we call loverboy no say you know it was Ansem guy Billy he was Irish and when he drank Irishmen can't hold her liquor that's what we were resolved we were always told and it appeared that way with Billy he'd always get in the fight when he was strong he was married he had a couple kids Jimmy was married to Billy went into a lounge on may 9 road that was managed by two brothers Philly and Ronnie Scoville the place was owned by a guy named by the name of Frank Panda lil on the construction company the property was owned by Paul Ricca Paul Ricca so Franklin DeLeo true marriage was connected to one of these often case so he's able to get the lease on the property Paul Rica's property and at that time a nine Road is where they had all the nightclubs so these two brothers managed to joint for Frank Banda Leo not ain't no Billy they know because we're off from Grant in Ogden actually so Billy went in there several times and one night he goes and Ernie strum so he gets an argument of writing so they troll mine at a place he didn't like that we had a lot of prey comes back he complains to me telling me about it I tell Billy you're a drunk forget about it there's a no win over there Adam I'm gonna he's going on Isis forget it he tries it again a week later they beat him up at Rome at again nine comes back he's I'm gonna kill him you come with me nice Billy think about it and I told him what could possibly happen I said I'll never know nobody will never know we've done it I should give it a break let it relax don't go there no more next time he goes back with Billy I mean with Jimmy they Boca kayamat Renata they come back to me are you gonna come or not I said yeah I'll go witches we can't even breathe a word about this we went out there three or four times I'm not quite sure but every time we went there we went there or to work are in guns we're carsick artists fictitiously owned plated and so on I lived close to the black door of my house so to kill him if we kill him there it was easy to get to my house stash the car and get out of the area before you know anything so every time we went there they left foot a girl and I said I ain't killing a woman I said she's gotten on the door this so Billy says she's a waitress in a giant I said what do you want to quit you can't kill her what's a man who would show son a third time I said I'm not gonna keep on coming her if this woman keeps not coming on okay okay we understand on this particular night the fourth time I believe I was in a bowling or they call a cop because we still pull like anybody else and I'm with their wood with the scroller name was Debbie first time I got her I was gonna get lucky and I say I'm gonna get lucky with her finally she just got married she was gonna cheat so here comes Billy in the bowling alley he knew where I would be he's got a hoodie on and I tell her have a seat up you're right BAE I walk up there what's what's up he says Jimmy and I are ready to go are you ready to go I spill him with this Aubree I call her Aubree and with the Sabri over I'm gonna get lucky tonight can you wait till tomorrow or the next day Oh where's the guns I stir in my garage you know how to get in there which was close to the black door lounge he said we're gonna give it a shot I just remember if there's a girl there I'll do not well they left they got their work hard I got their guns me and the girl leave we stopped at a gas station I mean I wrote I hear boom boom boom boom bow bow bow bow bow den ain't gunshot so Eric our high powered engine I'm standing outside putting guests in her convertible I look over there's the work art wow they're gone we go to a motel we got up around 8:30 in the morning she got to get home before us who comes from the late shift we're driving into karna here and the radio two men and a female machine gun to death in Elmwood Park I go helmet park it's gotta be down I'm thinking of myself and they just left it at that said any sign of news all day long now Elmwood Park was controlled Paul Ricca lived there Jack sorrow lived there all the wise guys lived there it was controlled at dawn by the outfit the last thing you want to do is cause murder all that confusion in that little town Rossi then you want to kill the two brothers that their father was connected to Tony Accardo and Paul Ricca man you caused a lot of problems I'm thinking Olli Christ now I'm saying thank God I wasn't there not be known to me that Tony knew I was stealing with these two guys and he knew that they were having problems with the Scavo brothers don't think it genius to figure it out so I figured I'm I didn't do not know is it gonna bother me I get a call from Tony all landline said there's no such thing as bait you know so far he's are gonna be home for a while I said yeah some would Dickie Gorman Richie he said we right over I owned a home in Franklin Park he comes over we go down into the basement Richard sits up in the kitchen thoroughly he says Frankie they're gonna kill you I Suz gonna kill me he's the outfit they think you were with Jimmy and Billy I saw what he's talking about i maked um he's you know what I'm talking about you were part of him when you killed when you skill the Scoville brothers and that girl mr. I don't know what you're talking about just went out for about a half hour not even a half R and he said listen I pulled you out from underneath this I convinced them that you weren't there now I'm gonna go back and tell him that you don't want to set up Billy we know we and I don't know the third guy was we know there was a third guy he's gonna dump me or not cuz I'm gonna leave it's Mike Mike talk about AFR I said I'd Tony I'll tell you I said there was nobody there except them two guys are you know that for a fact and I told about the gas station pumping gas to see in the car he said okay I said I'm all right now I said yeah you're right don't do not stick around your house oh me too immediately I went out side and I build a stash in my car where I can hide a gun case I got pulled over the cops with Noah was there and then I call an electrician over and I put sensors or if I drove within 25 feet in my driveway my house would light up like it was Wrigley Field the ballpark all lights would go on can i any trust them I wanted to make sure had enough lighting because the way my house was if you build my drive my garage you could pull in it and drive out of it I had double overhead doors that's the way I made it for that particular reason it's my own safety because I was still in trust with Tony was said he could do for me he calls me later on he said meet me at the tip-top bowling alley that same ballin oh I met him he says let's go across the street east I want you to call Billy up tell him to meet you tonight and morose Park at the chicken house at eight o'clock he said I'm gonna be standing right next to him I call him on a payphone Billy's wife answers Betty she knows my voice you could tell he got a voice that stands up Frankie how are you I spill eat her Betty she said yeah he's in the living room he comes to phones what's up he's acting like nothing ever happened I said I got something really good and I just think they didn't have no wiretap they had that pin really could know what numbers gone to I said could you meet me at 8:00 o'clock at the chicken house morose Bart he's I don't have a car so I gotta get my father-in-law's car my car broke down last night eisah sorry uh Sal he says so if you don't see my car I'll be in my final loss car I saw see it eh I get off the thorn Tony's a good job nice but she knows I call him hey sis don't worry date they don't say none he's the wife's always just they go in a shell I say he said meet me at 7:30 at the Howard Johnson North Avenue it's right before Melrose Bert come with your worker at a Ford work car I drove him to lie I see if another fort a little nor I pull in Tony jumps out of the car there was another guy in the car with Tony Tony comes over and he says give me the keys it brings me over to carries the st. the guys think we call him Saint his name was Vincent Asaro he worked directly for Joey Ayyappa the boss one of the bosses big boss he says sit with him until I get back I get in the car I sit in the car hello are you doing sinked it's a button the dashboard they had the speakers in the - the pops up he reaches in and grabs a 38 stub I immediately reached him back to me because I had it I had a pistol on me I wasn't going on that meeting with a gun and I pulled a gun on I put it on my side he's what are you doing I same thing you're gone I said I'll protect him I saw his I just got this in case the cops roll up on us he says you know if they get Stoney I said well then you got two guns no I said I'm sitting there like that set there bub no half hour seemed like forever then my car pulls up Tony gets out of the car he says to me went easy he's out talk to you tomorrow I tell you what happened he gets in the car with Saint I get my cow regard different ways two days later three days later Tony I meet him and he tells him we were gonna talk about this one time and we'll never talk about it again hey so I went to a chicken house they said your car parked your car in front I wouldn't say I seen Billy pull up in front when he pull up in front I walked outside Billy say Tony I don't Tony society bully he says what are you doing here so I thought Frankie was there scarcer Tony says yeah he's not there released his wants us to meet him so police says well if he's not here I better leave so Billy starts to turn around Tony grabs him around the neck no he knew he had a gun on a pulls the gun off from sixes in his ribs pulls him to the car that was there and in the car which Joffe areola James Turner Ella and Chuckie Nicoletti they trow Tony in the trove Billy in the car they're beating him up in the car they bring him to Cicero this is Tony telling me that they get him to Cicero and I bring him they bring him in the basement in the basement walk he fills their horatio they bring him in a basement and they proceeded to beat him torture him they use ice picks on him they did everything imaginable to make him talk they wanted him to talk that tell him who the third guy was he refused to tell him because there was none so finally what's his name stick his head in a vise ass if he talks now Tony said I jammed his head in a vise not like in the movie Casino downward he's respond of ice the face when it goes so far so we had a jam is that in there squeeze the vise he says I never expected this to happen his eyeballs popped out he says dang I know a court I never paid attention to that I went back he said now Frankie's we did ice picks in his thus the goals we tortured this guy he said finally the guy said I tell ya there was nobody with me but Billy police kill me he said that's when I proceeded the cutter stroke he said now we had to get Billy Jimmy but out Billy what IG me know him Billy disappeared her Billy was dead so that means we had to keep him on ice until we got Jimmy he said that was one tough Irishman Frankie he's not will never talk about this again and if you run it to Billy Jim I'm keepin Saint Jimmy Jimmy if you run into Jimmy within his period of time before we get him do not talk about Billy if he s as you say I haven't seen him would you believe the following night I ran at the Jimmy at the colonial house Russian on Harlem and gran I walk in orange Jimmy's cheating is with a broad he just got married this guy say hey Frank what's going on I remember where's the crooks together and he says I've been looking for Billy for a few days his wife said the last person he talked to was you now my saw Jesus I said I said we talked for a few minutes he never showed up the night I was supposed to meet him and he said I wanted to tell him so bad but I know if I did and they found out then I'm number three that's gonna die decisive I didn't I never showed up I just loved ice I figured maybe he couldn't get the car he said it was coming with us finally lost car something and Jimmy said you know how to marish me to get he's probably drunk somewhere what a cheat night abroad would have brought they get Jimmy died Jimmy's that antennas went up so he goes and meets a boss and a guy made guy he was not it was a boss of his own crew yeah yeah had a lounge in Niles Illinois and he goes in there any calls the guys listen I got it I know I got a problem you got to help me out many I said hi he says let me get a hold of the bosses and I'll contact you in a couple of days so that night Jimmy decides to go drinking this is all documented anything I'm Athaliah to a lounge in Chicago and he goes in there non-b knoweth them that there's three guys in a were car parked outside on the street because they were looking for him to show up somewhere they were armed they had stashes in the car with guns rifles everything you think of they knew Jimmy was in there just sat there from launch but the cop seen three men hiding in the curb said a rusty these guys in the car I was Milwaukee Phil Ola ratio it was Chuck Chuckie Nicoletti and it was another guy I can't think of his name that anyway it's all documented they arrested the tree guys found all the guns but they don't know why they were at this tavern they beat the case major with all these guns in there that's like nice and legitimate our Police Department was done then they get the call from Niles the guy says I'm gonna have a meet me here tomorrow night so they went there and the following night and they got Jimmy and they took him in the back room and uh dumped Avram and they Jimmy start fighting them and within this fight they broke his voice box by punching him in the vocal cords and then they they figured they knocked him on they went out and they decided out every gonna do it so st. shows up and just this is stuff that's told to me no he's got the car that's gonna transport Jimmy's body in it so he shows up they get Jimmy and they put him in the trunk Tony's there Saints there I don't know he mentioned the other guys names I forgot they put Jimmy in the trunk they tied him now they got a follow up curve Saints driving the car would shimmy in the trunk Tony's in the car and back would lose over his well they got walkie-talkies communication back and forth then they noticed the tail lights go out and occur this scene was stolen from me for Goodfellas I want you to understand that the scene was stolen from me to sexual event so when you see Goodfellas just see that scene where he jumps out of the trunk they stole that that's why they were so dead it they made a movie for doing other movies so Jimmy Saturday chunky got himself untied he pulled the brake lights he jumps out he starts running to Grandma they bring her back to the charm they beat him up and then he tells them listen I know you're gonna kill me speak entirely talk his voice is gone because of the voice back they said please so my wife collects on the insurance cut my throat don't strangle me in it they common date him to cut a stroke they bring him to Jimmy I mean to Billy they put him together in the same truck the car to Billy yet they parked him on a Southside chair four days later distinction to bodies in the trunk show up because it's art getting warmer and they called somebody call the police they opened up the trunk they found the two bodies in the trunk and that's what I have right now is known as the M&M murders that was the M&M murders just I did testifying that you end up doing eight years in prison yeah I didn't do eight years I was sunstate years I know the case you're talking about you had a little yummy a little confused it was a burglary case I was sentenced to eight years I went on an appeal bond I was locked up for a few days so went on an appeal bond I got an appeal bond after three days in jail and I was since eight years and about three years later I got a reversal on the case through the United States Supreme Court who was paid for in other words paying two lawyers once name was beaver and in his name was Brock beaver and Brock that's with their firm was called I came 16,000 cash it was a guarantee if I lost they gave me the money back so a few years later I got a reversal on that case so I believe that's the case you're talking about so I didn't go to jail I know okay well at one point you got released from prison in 1974 that's right and oh I know that's Rob confused that's where I'm confused that was an armed robbery oh sorry and and uh or is it County dad's from cap said less and them years in the sixties had many things happening many many crimes where were beaten these cases left and right and the one case we'd beat the government looked at me a federal Asian and he said I told I gotcha he says we'll get you I get framed for an armed robbery me and my two associates Mike sweating and Vincent Muscatello that's in 1968 it was in Belvedere County we went to court at the time it is robbery it was a supermarket I think 60 thousand was taken at her I was getting a ticket in Oak Park Illinois ninety miles away legitimate ticket so that was my alibi my other two partners than have any but I noticed a little broader name was sandy and she come up to me she says she was a crook and she was dating the guy having a name at Duke I knew the guy but I didn't know his last name he was in jail she says you know Frankie she says my boyfriend committed that armed robbery I looked I say you serious she says no he did him and his two partners she said he's willing to testify I stood here legitimately do it she said yeah he really did so we tried to use them they wouldn't accept them they said oh it was all set up that's what they claimed so when I used the cop as my witness they didn't believe the cop that's where I got sentenced to 15 years that's the one I got sentence the 15 years the one before that was for eight years that's the one I beated on the appeal that's going back all right a lot of cases got a lot of money turn around and went to jail on that one but while I was in jail and I went several cases that had pending a Brinks truck robbery somebody rolled on me a hijacked loader uh I think there were TVs some made Lord so I had like three or four cases gone so when I went to child I had a lawyer there was a black attorney his name was are Eugene Fincham and he told me Frankie a black man in in today and don't stand a chance in the federal system he says we're better off copping you out as I can't cop off that's an admission of guilt can't do it he said I'm gonna do my best he's but you're not gonna win I'm gonna try my best and I know this guy was the best he did I lost we all lost everybody that was involved with me I received the total of 36 years but the highest sentence I had was 15 today the federal judge run everything in current concurrently so my biggest sentence was the 15 so that means they had to go to Stateville penitentiary no you got to go to the parole board if you don't admit you're guilty in front of a parole board they extend your stay in jail I was innocent at that armed robbery so the first time I go to the parole board is after I'm there for years and I didn't I saw him do the robbery but being a at federal detainer sign me for the Brinks truck the TV law and all that they borrow me so with the terror at Indiana and I finished up six years they did a total of six years and a 36 year sentence that was all combined okay so by the 70s Tony had relocated to Las Vegas you try to get you to come originally you turn him down but eventually you moved to Las Vegas and you became Tony's underboss correct 1972 Tony move to Vegas and I guess my night seventy-nine you finally moved to Vegas as well yes I think it was the end of 78 or the very beginning in 1979 there wasn't that much longer and good that I finally was ordered to move to Vegas okay and a lot of this story was laid out in casino were essentially a group of Midwest mob bosses started I believe for casinos by getting money from the Teamsters Frank and the whole purpose of starting these casinos was the skim they were basically skimming cash from all the casino winnings and sending it back right that's correct and the guy that was in charge of all this was lefty who was played by Robert De Niro in casino yes and Joe Pesci Joe the Joe Pesci character was Tony who was basically there to make sure that lefty was okay that's correct now smile for you yeah now in the process of you being out there with Tony you guys formed the hole-in-the-wall gang that's that's true so tell me about the hole-in-the-wall gang all right the hole-in-the-wall gang when I was first ordered to move to Vegas I met Tony the first day and I thought well what's my functions are gonna be or what do you want me to do he's first of all you got to watch my back he sees no I'm alone out here now he said then you know guys could try to muscle mazes and you know strength comes in numbers and I said yeah I spent I'm gonna need to bring a crew he's at maybe four or five guys he said I said with Tony together earn and we're not allowed to steal in Vegas don't worry I got the okay you'll be able to let your guys still do what they wanted or he says and if we got a off somebody kills somebody from time to time make sure they guy should bring out a capable of donor I saw it I said what about the skin he says we're out of that you're out of that piece I got Joey cusimano watch and Lefty so then I of what's love dysfunction why I mean you know I mean I wanted annoys you sure you want to know I said well from what I understand lefty is all about gambling you know like sports and all that I should he said lefty don't know I'd skip nodded her he says he's just the figurehead in there he says that's covered how the money's getting out of her I said that's good I don't wanna know no more hey Joey's just protected and Joey coos Amano's protect him lefty trying to take the heat off of Chicago putting the New York guy with him Isis alright I'll let it go at that so that's how the hole-in-the-wall gang started I recruited these guys they didn't all live and down the only one that lived in town at the time was Leo gardino and the other guy's name was Ernie the Vino and he was some from Chicago okay and you guys were called the hole-in-the-wall gang because you would basically knock holes that's why I didn't want as you go out there once you're labeled you're screwed yeah so you knock a few holes in the wall and the roof in the basement however we just go in any way you want it true the ropes or the walls basement if you get caught you're gonna get charged for every hole in the wall there was done and I told my crew Isis if we ever get God they're gonna be if there's 300 burglaries we're gonna give you no blame for triana burglaries that had holes in the wall so the newspaper labeled us with that and then the FBI took that story and they ran with it so that's how we got that name hole in the wall gang okay so then in 1979 there was I guess an informant named Jerry Lisner yeah yes I was different I know where you're gone but yeah okay what happened in Jerry Lisner Jerry Lisner and nothing to do with actually physically talking with Tony at any given time he knew and Tony splasher was Jerry Lisner was a con artist a con man I was injured true Joey Joey de Franz Oh his brother was a boss Jenny no knows when I met this Jerry Lisner I could tell this guy was a bit of a artist and he was married to this broad about a name a genie and he why did he get close to me as a friend so we met a couple of times in this nightclub called jubilation and he said listen he said I got a guy he's connected to the Florida mob his name is Jerry made his name pieces the guys huh he said I'd like to beat him out of 175,000 cash I saw how you plan on doing that he said we'll tell him he's I'll tell him we got $500,000 of marked money and they could wash it out for us you know where we could get a make on it so fat I said I believe that he's got to have Olson is that he says but I need you and I need Tony because if they when they find out they're gonna come after me he said but if they know you're attached to me they won't come after me sighs I don't ice I doubt if Tony will get involved with this stuff but I did approach Tony and I told Tony start laughing like I did he said I'll give it a shot so I went back and I said I will do it so Jerry listen I don't want to go into all the details us too long he set it up with his brother-in-law who was a Washington DC cop because that's where the transaction was gonna take place in Washington DC after that it didn't go down it didn't work out we flew back I hated this guide list I couldn't stand his guts to start for it from day one so I tell him you owe me money I lose money by being which I want 5,000 and he socket and I get it I get it for you but I don't have it right now he's I have five thousand quaaludes could you do anything are ten thousand quaaludes I didn't even know what a quaalude was lemons are some monocytes I given to me so we got back I got to 10,000 quaaludes and I gave them to one guy to Sullivan I got money off for that I've been more than 5,000 meanwhile this Jerry listener gets busted for something or he was bustling and he got busted out of Washington DC so they put him in front of her grand jury and he testifies against Tony and I as part of this robbery he's lying most naturally of other other things that Tony and I were supposedly involved on I don't know he's doing this nortis Tony his lair in him happened to fly back he had to get a lawyer at a North Carolina there Washington DC r was for generic outworlds so the layer flies back with him to Vegas they go to a restaurant that was owned by Joe Pickman Tully Sam Giancana actually owned the restaurant but Sam wasn't around so he goes into restroom with cherry he don't notice places connect the night over them though they have their dinner Jerry Lisner leaves the law remains behind so the layers braggadocious and he's bragging the Joe Pigman Tully and show pics is all you're an attorney and Joe's fishing and the guy CSI Manliness guys that's the fame and in DC against two gangsters deliver he's maybe you might know and Joseph I don't know any gangsters he said well the one guy's name is Tony's flat row and the other guy's name is Frank Cullotta Joe so yeah I know heard of him well when the lawyer leaves Joe calls up Tony Tony calls me up he's we gotta meet Joe meet Joe Joe tells us exactly what's going on Tony and I saying on the Joey walk out Tony looks at me hey should you know you got a Wacom not aren't you I said yeah but he's scared of me I just beat him out of $10,000 and quaaludes he says don't worry I'll soften them up I'll make it possible I say it's gonna be difficult but I'll whack them I said but they're gonna call me the grand jury you mark my words I says they probably won't call you because you're the target usually the target they don't call three days later I heard knocking on my door I lived in a condo high-rise I go to the peak hole of course there's a thumb over a pillow I know there's feds I saw what is it FBI I open up the dark he slams the sting on my chest and he walks away I had a subpoena to go to a federal grand jury in Washington did he say that means adding in an attorney and out that way so he did I think it was dark Carolinas or Virginia and I got an attorney and I went in front of them first the FBI and their strike force and I sat in the room and I'd light like a dog then they put me in front of her grand jury and I proceeded it like evidently I thought they must have believed me because they let me leave and I walked out and they were all smiling and happy and I said they're either happy because they think they got me hurt her happy then I'm out of there who knows I get back and I tell Tony I lied I like crazy because he asked me what did I say I said gonna put two and two together I said he's where you got to kill him real quick so he sets it up where he makes it like we could be friends he's gonna bring what I said I'll bring Larry Newman you know I don't bring him he says this cab killed the birds two dogs two cats of kill everything at house he said bring somebody else I said I'll bring Wayne Wayne meteii I said by the way waymond that could beat the case so I I flew I drove the Burbank flew to Chicago got Wayne flew back to Burbank drove from Burbank to Vegas got on the phone of my condo first mistake I made but the FBI never caught it I went on my phone and I called Jerry listener I just got back into town I figured let's get it out of the way I told him I had a mark was he ready to deal with him he said yet had the work are there two guns went right by his house walkie-talkies and that's where I killed him in his home okay and I guess in your book you said I loaded the gun put pillows from a couch over listeners head to muffle the gunshots and into his head I had to take ten rounds but listener was fine a little more than that we dragged him outside to the pool and dumped him in the body floated for a few seconds and sank to the bottom yes that happened you want me to say that I mean that's what it happened well yeah not when I went in the house I shot him immediately in the back of that he preceded the rung I know I emptied the gun out in his head before he went two feet not a gun add half loads it was a 25 or 22 I believe it was a 25 revolver chase him into the kitchen area where there was a slight little bit of a dining room and as he was gone down he hit the garage door button that was on the wall I heard the door going up and I hit it he fell in between my legs and our bullets I know that door opened up the over a door I couldn't see it but I know it opened up how many feet I didn't long I got to finish this guy off there's a water cooler air I grabbed the cord I proceeded to strangle um the cord broke I reached over to grab a knife I got a cut a stroke as I grabbed a knife the inner house door opens who's standing there with Wayne I look at him I ready to stab I don't know swim he comes in he shuts the garage door completes that gone down I said it what made you come in he's I counted the shots he said waited ten minutes I didn't hear any calls I knew you needed help he brought the bullets we had extra bullets that we were gonna throw away after the murder so we had all that stuff we're gonna dump so I I told Wayne grab a pillow from the sofa there give me another one for myself put it in back of his head I put the other one Jerry was still alive I stuck it in the pillow of the pistol he's the gun and I emptied it out and he yelled as he was going my wife knows you're here and he went down to the ground no I think I shot him 12 times loving that and it stand there Conner I just know that I took the shells up put him in my pack at both times say told Wayne come on we're gonna throw him in the pool why DNA as I got blood everywhere so I we dragged him pull the stick out there was only at the door the sliding dark went to the pool set him in the pool who's in between us push them in he went down like he was diving and I told Wayne let's go in with him why I skip that office but we went anyway two minutes he went down the blood came up and he floated to the bottom then we walked out and went says let me search the house maybe this guy had some hearing devices or cameras whatever I sighed so I went to the car and he sat in the car he's an ass about 15 20 minutes I was getting nervous then he comes out he comes out over the wall the same wall were doors around the pool he's anything anything and we leave and we try everything the property we do we dumped everything and the runway of Nellis and Nadal at Nellis McCarran Airport they used to come up to Eastern and sherry live it out that way so we dumped it out there the desert covers everything ok so you start to be come on top of the FBI's most-wanted list in Vegas and at one point they actually get someone with a wiretap in your crew you guys go and Rob Bertha's gifts and home furnishings in Las Vegas and as you start to rob the place the FBI and authorities swoop in and everybody gets busted that's what at but uh the guy named planning a mess his name was Saul Romano I didn't fill this guy in in this robbery Ernie Davi no dude I would have never filled this guy in in this robbery I had a gut feeling about this guy I didn't trust them well anyway to make a long story short this guy was working for the feds when he approached the feds about the skirted he was invited on sure Ernie Divino they were like he laid it ninety could finally get the hole-in-the-wall gang I told Tony I don't want to steal with this guy Tony wouldn't hear of it Tony wanted me to fill in Joe Blasco I didn't want to steal with an ex-cop Tony says you got to take him which it wind up is we took this guy with us and Joe Blasco the guy I already told the FBI was admin well we went to did the scar they were there waiting they an awake till the whole was dock made in the roof otherwise there was an attempted burglary they went in a burglary that's when they busted everybody okay so then by 1982 you were locked up again and by this time the FBI approached you about cooperating and in the process of speaking to you they actually played you a wiretap of Tony Spilotro basically saying that he needs to kill you that's correct and I guess the language said we have to clean out our dirty laundry clean out our dirty laundry exactly and at that point you decided to actually cooperate yes I did it was very difficult to do that because I was raised another way I was like selling my soul to the devil and I didn't want to do that and I just couldn't believe that my best friend was trying to save his life and sacrifice mine let me get killed so I told the FBI agent at the time I said I got to think about this I I can't make this decision right now so I went back to my stall and I slept on it and the following morning I told it like the lack of guy that I wanted to speak to a agent that I spoke with the night before and he got on his walkie-talkie and I'm telling you I felt as though that agent was sleeping in the lobby that's that quick he was there when he knew I was gonna he thought I was gonna cooperate and I ran me upstairs again and then he told me and I said well I can't confess to these murders and stuff I need to have immunity he says you didn't we didn't read you your rights he says you could tell us anything you want as long as we didn't read you your rights if we read you your rights then you're compelled then we could get you so right then and there I saw it I cooperate hesitantly and then he said all right let's hear some stories they took me editor they put me in a lock-up an hour later they took me out they brought me to a motel room there was like 50 60 FBI agents law enforcement and he started questioning me and as soon as we got to the murders I hesitated because I know it's a different sentence and then he said I'm gonna send another agent in the room he's we're done here I'm done talked to his agent he sent a new agent in the room Dennis Aaron Lee he says he's gonna be a debrief he's gonna debrief you met the guy ker said in Lincoln he was an agent but he became I became to trust them because I had nobody else I could trust and this is what happened you fall on a weakness all of a sudden the guys that you hated you would probably want to kill their one thing become your best friends if you got no other friends so after a while and it didn't happen right away it took a while Dennis they're opening up then he finally said you got to talk about murders he said her otherwise they're gonna bring it up in court and you're gonna look like a liar and then we could try if further murders once you're going there if they give you a moon turning eunuch effect you're gonna get tried for these murders make perfectly good sense so I give him one murder and I believe I gave him a listener yeah because we're in Vegas and they took it immediately brought me to a federal judge not immediately within a week or two and the judge gave me immunity from prosecution so I got immunity from the federal judge in his state judges okay and at this point the feds are really putting all the pieces together on on this whole mafia casino connection and so forth and I guess in 1982 Lefty's car blew up you know the way the movie Casino starts off for the car blowing up that actually happened yeah that that did happen lovely as I said this several times we're all creatures of habit at this particular time year everybody was indicted everybody was locked up Kansas City Chicago left his old lady Jerry was living in California I was in a witness protection program I was in a motel room Mobile Alabama I see it on the news and I went Wow surprised he lasted that long walking around the streets everybody else is in jail but em how come he's not in the witness protection program all these things are running from I get a call from the FBI did you hear what happened I said yeah what do you think happened is that Jake J tried to kill him and they missed then they asked me what my thoughts were and the process they used or who I thought was involved saitama wasn't his wife to collect any insurance it wasn't Tony Tony spud she had a triple bypass I says there was in Chicago because there guys there work for him weren't making any money off the skim it had to be to kansas city guys i said these guys are real ruthless people these kansas city guys i said you'll know if a couple spotty show up her body shows up he's how do you think the car was rigged I used to remote-control bomb why do you say that because he lived if it was in the car he wouldn't live there would've only be pieces because the bomb would have been set underneath the seat and it would have been hooked to the ignition why would they need to put the bomb in the outside of the car I said some remote control he calls me back later he said they found a transponder it works off an FM frequency that's what happens he says you're a right so they and then sometime along the line somebody showed up dead from Kansas City so they assumed it was Kansas City so I tell people as can't see who else could have been okay so then June 1986 Tony was gonna be retried in a racketeering charge in Las Vegas and right before that happened the outfit had him and his brother killed right in the movie in casino this was shown in a cornfield where they they hit him with baseball bats so they bury him alive in the field but I guess this actually happened in the basement of a house it happened in a house dramedy continuum go ahead oh when I first heard about the murders of course I was asked where do you think they didn't even know the FBI where they were killed at and I said well they were killed them in a house he's well they showed it in the movie a cornfield is I said they were killing house it was either in Bensenville or Cicero because that's usually the places where they had fronts that would let them use their basements there was - stuff like that I says that's worth more and more unlikely happen and and I was correct on that the part that was not correct was in the movie where they used me my character Frank Vincent to kill Tony and Michael with the bat that's not true and I told Martin Scorsese about it and Martin said the only reason why we're putting you into that part is because did you not tell me that it's your best friend that is going to be able to bring it to your death not your enemy and I see I did that's why we had to show you as the best friend bringing Tony does that hurry - never went has evidently he didn't listen well I don't and that was it what why did Tony and his brother get killed well what was the reason they had their beliefs to have their court stuff on it my belief is completely different with the court the court come up with because I always felt Tony Tony wasn't stupid by any stretch of imagination and I know his brother Michael was an instigator a troublemaker and he lived off of Tony's reputation and he was close with Joey I you and everybody else know in the courts and everybody else said well they were gonna make Michael a made man that's Donnie would have never allowed that anyway I said that's not true so when the strike force talk to me they wanted me to be a witness in that trial they brought up this stuff nice that's not true that I backed up a little bit they don't want somebody disputing what their case is made out of as I don't believe that this is do you know worried Isis somewhere Bensenville or Cicero and they told me who was testifying Calabrese Nicky Isis then he said named everybody there had to hit and they said only only spotted Johnny de France so and he named a couple other names but he's telling me there's seven guys there and he didn't notice something geyser I said I don't know Viet man that don't know is gonna kill people with they know they're what and they they backed up again on me so whether it it recreate in stories or not I don't know so I they say I took myself out of the picture testify and they didn't need me no more because I told him I wrote a book I gotta live with that book when I go on court use it out as it'll be out tomorrow I gotta live with every statement I made in there and I made no lice they never used me for the trial no why did Tony go back to answer your question if Tony don't go back with his brother he puts himself in between a rock and a hard spot say he don't go back and they killed his brother for whatever reason they wanted to do he's gonna feel guilty maybe if I went back I could have saved my brother from being killed my co as they said was causing problems dissension he was muscled in utter bookmakers other bosses bookmakers he was uncontrollable well they got ahold of Tony they said Tony you're the only one that could straighten this out with your brother you need to come back we need to have a sit-down doesn't this make perfectly good sense Tony still guess it then I would be too cuz he's been there he's walked many people to that basement he should know he should arm himself this is what I'm thinking he goes back with the intentions and hoping that maybe the power that he has with him and behind him will prevent this from happened to other that's not the way it happened once you hit them steps baby it's all over you're gone well by the time that Tony got killed in 1986 the FBI suspected him in 25 murders and I think the over-exaggerated okay my name is he also accuse him of they thought that he killed the Chicago Outfit boss Sam Giancana no that's not true that's not true okay butch Blasi butch fillet Blasi or Blasi is the one who killed him okay well at the end of this whole process the mob got pushed out of Las Vegas they lost any sort of ties to all the casinos the the corporations all came in margin that was unable to corporation urchin yep but essentially the the casinos all got cleaned up they became family friendly and the Mafia got pushed pushed out is there still mob influence in the Vegas casinos these days I doubt it very seriously reason being if there was I doubt if I'd still beer so I definitely know there's no Chicago my beer there may be guys from New York I don't even know if there's Kansas City geyser Detroit but there's no mob that controls any one casino it's all corporate all corporations yeah believe me I doubt it very seriously so then in 1995 Martin Scorsese ends up releasing the casino movie which is based on this whole story that we talked about and you're actually a consultant on that film yes and you would actually sit on set with Martin and you would basically give your opinion on whether this was accurate whether it was not accurate and your character was played by Frank Vincent your name in the movie was Frank Marino Tony's character was played by Joe Pesci his name the movie was Nicky sometimes in Thor mm-hmm and you know to me I feel that casino is Scorsese's best movie period oh do you really well thank you very much yeah I like him better because of me that way they'll emit it to Nick pileggi and Martin with Scorsese will admit that I give him the insight I tried to correct everything cushion at exaggerated you know that has to be people need to be they like violence people are crazy they're like violence so they add on to it you know yeah hell of a movie hang hell of a movie and I did sit there in a director's chair right next on and I didn't think it was a big bill I as a matter of fact I said why isn't my name on the back of the chair like is is and they start laughing then you become a target like so you could put my name they never did put my name in are well you were related to the mob for a long time you did a lot of crimes you admitted to murders you told on other people who did a lot of murders you ultimately went into witness protection and when you look back at all this because you come from a family of criminals being a rat is one of the worst things that you could be and in the mob you get killed for being a rat but you cooperated and would you consider yourself a rat not really I'll explain let me explain that there a rat doesn't informant I made a mistake one time call myself a rat a rat is an informant he works with the FBI or local law enforcement for money he likes it he's like he was a wannabe cop I was a federal witness I testified and the only things that I actually participated that's the difference between being an informant and a witness so I always try to correct people some of don't quite understand it this is the way I look at it you could look at it any way you want it's all over there was testifying all the crimes I did with Tony or whoever has there ever been an attempt on your life because of what you did at first I thought there was an attempt on my life some guy she got shot in a apartment that started my apartment this is just before it was it let's see it was just before I rolled just before I became a witness and then I put that out of my mind it was just such a coincidence the guy was shot in this doorway in an apartment that I was running right next door it is one thing I was on a plane going to a secret location after I got done testifying the Mercer's drop you on the plane and a park and they're supposed to wait to the planes in the air well there was difficulty with the plane and the marshals left so I'm stranded on this plane a toy field and as I'm sitting there I see two known two guys I knew very well Jim Eadie Antonio we called Jimmy Blake's can deal with Paulie Schiro a guy stole a diaper made a car cotta got on the plane and I looked up Paulie Shiro met Mike Lai's Matt Glantz and I'm at a character being on this plane with him so he's thinking and him and Jimmy go Neil sat down at a seat I get up I reach up and over head bag I take my thank the hanging bag and I go out of the plane and I looking for a phone and I get behind one of them round pillars and I see them both walk off the plane and they're looking for me and I heard Paulie say at them it was him but he's gone we can't do not in there anyway he's gone their escort back into the plane by their stewardess I go to the phone I called it the witness protection program number two got sorry this numbers been disconnected hey silly Christ I said am I gonna get out here so I call up the FBI in Chicago I leave a message I said I'm at this phone number here they call me Bay within five minutes and this was late they get a hold of this Asian his name was Kevin David Kelly he said what happened I told him he said jump in a cab go to Midway Airport get him motel there and call us when you're a terror we'll meet you there so that's what I did I jumped in a cab cost me fifty dollars where they can't I go to Midway field and I meet him there and and I mean they were pissed so was the strike force I don't know what happened to the two agents but that's not supposed to happen you know so that was that that was the only close time well Frank I appreciate you coming in and sharing your story it's a it's a hell of a story that you know when I used to watch casino and I've watched it probably a half dozen times I know a beginning that says based on a true story but it was definitely incredible to hear the real story behind Casino well I want to talk about tours that I do and tours that I'm involved with one is called Vegas special detours at some outdoor and it's done with groups of people large group of people anywhere from four or up they'll do two then it's my tour Las Vegas casino map tour with Frank Cullotta and my phone number and the other phone numbers are listed and I also have books the first book would be colada and I'm going to show you two covers this is my first book 15 years old and it's still selling this book is still selling that means it's a good book second book it's about 78 years old it's good but the first books better now my last book this is about tony splat roll all the killings everything he's done my life though this has been out maybe three years it's doing rather well it's a good book so you got it I got it I remember two tours Las Vegas I don't even know the name of my tour you believe that Vegas my door for it Frank Cullotta and I'm trying to get away from that so if you want to do my dirty Berea getting too old for this I got you Oh Frank I definitely priam come in and tell you this I want you to buy this cup this is my cup all right and I always say prescribed I know it means subscribe this is what I put on the back although you'll be able to put anything you want on the back of the cups it's a sort of a good likeness of me isn't it I might add some devil it's good race but you can order this cup and Frank Cullotta calm well Frank thank you so much for coming in a few seats you telling your story thank you very much for having me appreciate it absolutely until next time all right take care

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