Navy SEAL Debates Liberal on Defunding The Police

so policing in america the something i thought was really interesting based on statistics from the fbi in 2019 89 law enforcement officers were killed in line of duty 48 of those died as a result of felonious acts 41 of those died in accidents however they killed 1348 people in the u.s alone if i'm sitting right here and i pull a gun out of my pants and i go like this and i look this way and i start shooting at you what are you gonna do i'm gonna shoot you if you're gonna [ __ ] kill me aren't you so it's i i i do not and will not agree with this narrative that the police are just current like constantly under they're at war and that they are under fire all the time and that they're they're being hunted it's just not [ __ ] true the data there's no data to support that well there is video footage of los angeles that just happened a couple weeks ago of a man that walked up to the vehicle and shot two [ __ ] officers in the head correct shadow cabal of [ __ ] like really violent protesters that are just there to incite violence i i think that's [ __ ] because i i participate in some of those protests it did peaceful um a protester in portland who threw a molotov cocktail at a [ __ ] cop but he missed and the [ __ ] thing set his own leg on fire who saved his ass the [ __ ] cop saved his ass didn't he there's some good you want to go protest go ahead let me put your [ __ ] leg out then you can throw another [ __ ] molotov cocktail at me then so maybe it is maybe we do maybe we defund them and we pull them out of all of the neighborhoods that don't want them and they'll just sort it out i think that would go poorly i think that would go extremely [ __ ] poorly but sometimes you know maybe the best thing to do is just let people live and what the [ __ ] they created yeah no i agree with that give them what they want you don't want any police you won't get any none so policing in america the something i thought was really interesting uh based on statistics from the fbi in 2019 89 law enforcement officers were killed in line of duty 48 of those dead as a result of felonious acts 41 of those died in accidents however they killed 1348 people in the u.s alone so looking at that i think there's a big the police think they're at war a lot of training i see kind of pushes that narrative but based on the data it looks like police are actually rather safe in the their line of work and that their civilians are not so with that in mind and with the fact that you know we've seen from 2010 to 2015 1 billion dollars has been paid out in public lawsuits over police misconduct and with the recent protests there's been 10 600 demonstrations linked to the black lives matter movement in all 50 states according to aclu and 95 of those were peaceful and fewer than 570 or 5 of them involved demonstrators engaging in violence uh so i guess what i'm getting out of here is that like the narrative it seems is on one side you've got the police who feel you know that their job is very dangerous and and they're not well liked but from the civilian side it looks like they're [ __ ] civilians up i mean what do you think about that well for starters what were those statistics again so you said you said did you give a percentage of how many black lives matters uh protest wound up violent uh yes that were linked to black the protest itself was linked to black lives matter 5 of those out of ten thousand six hundred recorded demonstrations five percent of those resulted in violence so i wonder not that this is an excuse but i wonder how many police calls there were how many times they responded to something and what the percentage of that wound up you know being bad yeah so i mean that is something to account for the you know police do interact with people a lot and so you know maybe the the statistic has gone like it probably seems to be that the overall majority of police interactions with civilians are non-fatal falling back on what the fbi said you know there are there are instructors that go around i'm sure you know some of them that teach police training and a lot of that narrative is pushed that they like have a very dangerous job they're at war and and i think that's the wrong way to go about it i don't think that's the type of precedent you want to set for the police you don't want to put them in that mindset and especially when i can't personally reconcile that 89 law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty half of those being accidents not related to crime but over 1300 civilians were killed by police no that's pretty staggering to me it is staggering uh i really i would like to know the statistics the statistics of you know if we're going to talk about percentages you know what is the actual percentage of of uh police responses that have gone bad you know is it one percent is it half a percent because if you're if if anybody is looking for a perfect percentage a hundred percent perfect that just isn't gonna [ __ ] happen nothing is perfect people will [ __ ] die and and that's unfortunate but i would like to know that percentage and uh i i i i almost i think it's unfair to know the percentage of how many blm protests went bad which is only five percent correct and that's i mean pretty good i think we need to know that percentage as well you know the other percentage is it is it five percent is it one percent and you know as far as like the uh the fatalities that they're responding to what are they responding to you know i mean i don't believe they think they're at war but with that being said police don't get called to respond just to [ __ ] uh a smoke detector that's out of batteries they're what are they being called to do domestic disputes domestic violence look at the crime stats in the in the in the in the areas where they you know where that where this shit's happening what what what are those like if you go in there thinking everything's just gonna be just fine you know like with chicago for example certain neighborhoods of chicago violence there is through the roof and and their gun laws that you can't even own a gun there correct so do you think i want to ask you a question do you think it would be foolish to go into that neighborhood into a neighborhood with a very high uh homicide rate thinking everything's okay no uh i think there can be a middle ground i don't think police should look at civilians that they are meant to protect as enemies all of them and they shouldn't assume that every situation they're rolling up on you know you take tamir rice and rayshard brooks and these were kids tamir rice was 12 i believe and was on a playground with a toy gun and he was shot by police that's absurd to me yeah bad intelligence maybe i mean take you know another one i think that's definitely on everybody's tongues now is brianna taylor you know i think a big problem with that was they were operating on bad intelligence yeah i wouldn't say you know and i i think it does depend to my knowledge briana taylor when they responded to that or or uh serve the warrant or whatever the hell happened i'm i'm going off opinion and you're spitting facts and i'm taking your facts as a hundred percent truth but they were fired upon first correct they were so what are they supposed to do let me ask another question in that regard what is the homeowner who gets a no knock warrant doesn't know it's the police like any uh gun-owning american has the right to do with a stand-your-ground law which kentucky has what are they supposed to do they might want to ask who the hell it is before they [ __ ] shoot what if that was her mom what if that was his mom what if that was a kid they're just [ __ ] gonna shoot blindly at the door for no [ __ ] just you know what i mean same deal with the cops they shot into several apartments and that's what actually one of the officers got indicted on but they shot after they were fired upon i'm not sure of the round count but i remember it being pretty high well i don't know the brown count either but and and um bad situations extremely hard to backseat quarterback these things without actually being there or you know um and getting the full scope of what happened but as a person that's been shot at several more times than i can count [ __ ] goes out the window you know when somebody is trying to kill you and that's what that person was doing was trying to [ __ ] kill them for serving a warrant they have they have to defend themselves they have to defend their brothers you know and um and it's very obviously it's very unfortunate what happened um but um you know when you're being shot at you you can't sit you're making a decision you're trying to make a a logical decision while bullets are flying past your head and when bullets are flying past your head the only thing you're thinking about is i want to go home tonight and i want my you know my uh whoever the hell they're you know their colleagues they want them to go home tonight they're they're approaching that door for a warrant what was the warrant for do you know it was an arrest warrant i don't remember what the crime was um but unfortunately the who they were serving the warrant two they were at the wrong house and the person was already in custody so bad intelligence yeah it was that intelligence and there's no excuse for that [ __ ] but they were being shot at and you know and you can backseat quarter you can backseat quarterback that guy too you know what i mean it's it sucks because you don't know the whole [ __ ] context behind what what his thought process was but you know generally if i hear somebody tampering with my front door i'm not just [ __ ] slinging lead through the front door at whoever it is you know even if somebody broke into my house and was in my [ __ ] door entry i would illuminate that person with a light and i would figure out who the [ __ ] it is before i start throwing lead downrange at him wouldn't you and so if somebody is shooting at you they're trying to [ __ ] kill you and they had to make a judgment call well i think your tactics are the most appropriate to identify the threat before you shoot if we made that in the law i think you'd have a lot of cases where homeowners did shoot somebody that was actually trying to break in and hurt them those would be overturned very quickly many many people have and that is why that stand your ground law exists and and it's been shown in court cases by and by president that if in the middle of the night someone breaks down your door you can assume that they are there to cause imminent danger to your body and that's where the self-defense comes in so from and and i get it i mean i see it from both perspectives of the the police and the guy the guy i believe the court testimony said that there you know didn't hear not just heard the door bash in so he grabbed started firing police said they knocked announced themselves and then busted in and got shot at so yeah it's a pretty shitty situation what i'm curious is of is if the police it's a bad situation but how did that how did the guy survive he shot at the police how did he walk out of there with his life yeah you know i don't know i don't know where he was positioned yeah was she right next to him was she in the other room i don't know you know and that i mean it's [ __ ] up you know there's no you can't say like oh you know i'm not i am not giving them a pass what i'm giving them a pass on is they should they fired after they were shot at they didn't come in their guns blazing they were [ __ ] shot at and they returned fire now you know if they returned fire and she was standing right there that that that sucks if she was um if she was in another [ __ ] room from where that guy was then i'm that's that's even worse you know and that's inexcusable and uh and it does it comes down to [ __ ] training which nobody seems to want to pay for and me and you had a discussion about this earlier uh where you did your research and you said you know the the the the funding goes to the equipment it goes to [ __ ] night vision it goes to armored vehicles it goes to all kinds of [ __ ] you know and it doesn't go to training and i i found that out when i had a law enforcement agency ask me to conduct training for them they had just gotten night vision dual like uh dual tube night vision pbs15s which are about ten thousand dollars a pop and uh they did not want to pay me to teach these officers how to utilize night vision and and uh you know and that that proved to be right there it's like wait a second so you have the funding to buy your entire [ __ ] swat team ten thousand dollar pieces of night vision when to be honest with you i can't [ __ ] see a reason why you would need night vision in the middle of a major [ __ ] metropolitan area um but you know whatever they have it and um but you can't pay a [ __ ] trainer to come teach him you know and uh just for the record my price was 350 per head that's it which i think is a very fair price considering the training that they wanted you know but um but i'm not the one making the rules but you know that's that's uh you can you can buy ten thousand dollar [ __ ] pieces of uh night vision per officer you can get these two hundred thousand dollar [ __ ] vehicles that you really don't need but you can't afford to [ __ ] pay me 350 to [ __ ] train your officer how to utilize the [ __ ] night vision now how pathetic is that [ __ ] you know and kind of continuing on with that part of we had talked about earlier but where a lot of the funding does go is is into gear obviously um night vision is not cheap from what you explained but also it goes into settling public lawsuits over police misconduct from 2010 to 2015 according to wall street journal 1 billion dollars between the between 10 cities with the largest police departments some of those being like los angeles new york they paid over 1 billion 1 billion in in in funds from the public for lawsuits so given what i mean what you just told me would you say that police are under trained and and if so and if yes [ __ ] yeah they're under-trained their police are absolutely under-trained there's too much [ __ ] concentration on the [ __ ] equipment that they have and not enough on the training like i just said they want to spend [ __ ] ten thousand dollars per head to get the [ __ ] guy's night vision right you know i don't think they need them who gives a [ __ ] what i think but you can't [ __ ] buy ten thousand dollar pieces of night vision and then not [ __ ] pay somebody to [ __ ] train them how to use it like i said my price was 350 to train them eat per head how to use their night vision how to do room clearance how to make entries how to breach doors whatever you want to you know how to operate under night vision and they they they didn't hire me it was too much but they can afford ten thousand dollars a [ __ ] head for night vision now what the real [ __ ] problem is is the accountability it's across the [ __ ] board i think that's wrong with what's wrong with america's [ __ ] accountability but you know what happened george floyd you brought up george florida earlier right now what did we do we [ __ ] took that cop and threw his ass in [ __ ] jail and don't get me wrong what he did is [ __ ] up i don't give a [ __ ] you know uh people are saying oh yeah well that guy had a [ __ ] rap sheet and uh he pointed a gun and a pregnant girl right yeah [ __ ] that just [ __ ] up and he is a piece of [ __ ] i don't give a [ __ ] what anybody says you [ __ ] put a gun to a pregnant woman's [ __ ] stomach you're a piece of [ __ ] now the facts are he whatever the [ __ ] happened in the past that has been dealt with correct that's done that's over he's [ __ ] paid the price i don't know what the hell he did if he went to [ __ ] jail or prison or whatever the hell happened you know what i mean he's done he has paid the price for that and he is a [ __ ] free man now right so you don't take a free man and [ __ ] put your knee on the back of that fucker's neck and kill him for what did he do i can't remember he he checked or something yeah phony 20 bill counterfeit bills while they were called you don't [ __ ] do that it doesn't matter what he did in his past at that point it's he has paid the price he is uh you know his justice has been served for whatever that incident was that he did in his past and he is now a [ __ ] free man and and was not treated as such now what did we do we [ __ ] threw the guy in jail you know what i mean and and and uh they prosecuted him or whatever the hell happened and uh but where's the [ __ ] accountability that guy had if i remember correctly he had uh uh a lot of disciplinary uh actions against him correct so what the [ __ ] happened to the chief of police there what the [ __ ] happened to a supervisor what the [ __ ] happened to the mayor who's not on top of the [ __ ] police department there nothing not a [ __ ] thing happened to anybody above that guy did it no what did they do they took the they took the easiest [ __ ] road they could and they got the grunt and everybody else walks when the [ __ ] documentation is there the documentation is there and nobody's [ __ ] talking about that are they so with that you know a big problem that leads into that is police unions and qualified immunity police unions are extremely powerful i think it was in los angeles county alone in 2019 over a thousand officers were fired for misconduct but 458 of those their cases are still in arbitration so they are still patrolling the streets and that's because of the enormous power they have in backing by police unions and qualified immunity and i think this is a good thing to talk about especially where the the contrast is with you know i think about the military you know you you've been deployed and at least from from what the news that's available to the public and some of the most harsh conflicts in vietnam maybe a little bit different story but generally the military holds themselves pretty well they they and especially given that they're in a war zone the way they're able to police and especially with the iraq war be able to police and handle a civilian population without a lot of needless killing why is it that the in maybe you can give me more on this because i just don't know but the rules of engagement seem to be stricter for our military who are in war zones where we have we have said that we're at war here the rules of engagement seem to be stricter than that of our own domestic peacekeeping force that doesn't make any sense to me and could you elaborate on that it is as far as accountability goes are the rules of engagement what are they for the military and and what does accountability look like if you break those rules of engagement well the rules of engagement uh they change they change all the time they change with uh who the president is they change you know they change uh for per situation per area of operation uh generally the rule of thumb is do not fire until fired upon if it's just a a regular gun fight which happens all the time but um now if it's a capture kill mission that's completely different and i'll tell you what what what what generally dictates rules of engagement are where you're operating so if you're operating in an environment where it is extremely hot and it is known that there is it's extremely heavy taliban or al qaeda or isis or whoever the the [ __ ] threat of the year is um you know those roes get loosened you know because it is so [ __ ] hot and i think that's what people don't understand about that's where i'm definitely going to take the police officers back is you know i'm sorry but responding to a a well-to-do wealthy neighborhood with a [ __ ] low crime rate like franklin tennessee you don't have to you know uh be as worried about what's gonna happen to you wearing that uniform now you go into what on what east nashville is that where it is antioch that [ __ ] neighborhood every [ __ ] morning i turn the news on there is another murder at least one every morning that's what i drink my coffee to i want to see who's murdered in antioch yesterday morning now if you're a police officer responding to an incident [ __ ] antioch guess what you're gonna be a little more amped up aren't you because the [ __ ] crime rate is through the roof there because nobody can seem to get a handle on it now you know people are gonna when you're stressed you know and you're under pressure like that and maybe your life is uh um under duress you know you don't have time to sit there and weigh the options you have to react to save your [ __ ] life and that's it and the the the the bad thing the the the the the bad thing about police now is there there are now they have even more pressure on them because they're under public scrutiny so not only are they we've just chopped their legs off and you made it more stressful for them you know by by by talking about defunding them and um and uh and and and the decision-making process becomes uh it becomes even more difficult we're already stressed then you know they would they want to do the right thing i honestly believe that the majority of police officers want to make a difference and they want to do good yeah of course there are [ __ ] bad apples out there we've i've seen them you've seen them [ __ ] they're all over the news you know but but you know as a police officer you have to you have to mean you can't backseat quarterback every single [ __ ] incident that happens you just can't do it and and and and at the beginning of this i was asking you for percentages you know um when we were talking about the blm protest five percent only five percent of blm protests went violent i want to know the facts on how many police incidents went bad i'll bet you it's less than five percent i'll bet you it's less than one percent those are pretty good [ __ ] numbers with all civilians in the whole of the country i'll bet it's less than one percent i think it's kind of difficult to compare to the black lives matter protest because those are an isolated movement versus a day-to-day policing of civilians that we've had in this country for you know gosh i guess nearly 100 years now but you know it's still on the rules of engagement i understand especially you know with that that the rules of engagement are going to change depending on where you're operating but regardless if you [ __ ] up if if you if you break that rule of engagement whatever it is and wherever it is is is the system lenient for our armed forces it's my understanding it's not no it's not lenient and the reason you don't see that in the military is because the accountability system is so stringent that people know if you [ __ ] up even a little bit you're gonna be breaking rocks in leavenworth so do you think there being consequence in the military is is that the contributing factor to why it's at least to the knowledge that's publicly available our civilian casualties directly at least in gun fights are low compared you know the police are operating in america in their home turf where they live uh and they're certainly not following the rules of engagements of you know don't fire unless fired upon uh you know especially with you know i look at in 2019 of those 1348 people that were killed by police 55 of them unarmed um and since that data has only been tracked by the fbi since 2015 and 2015 it was 94 people were unarmed what happens in the military if you shoot an unarmed person i mean that depends you know osama bin laden wasn't armed put it maybe in a the situation if you're at a traffic stop you know sure you may have stopped some people in a vehicle in iraq or you know wherever i'm sure that may have happened there are times when you [ __ ] kill them then the consequences for that are that is it's always situational dependent now let me give you a scenario all right so uh you're familiar with car bombs correct so if i have a sign and and you have you know i have friends that have been tons of friends that have been killed by [ __ ] car bombs and you can't tell if that's a [ __ ] car bomb there's certain signs you can see you know maybe the trunks on the toyota corolla or the taxis sunk in because there's so many explosives packed into the back of that thing but if you have a [ __ ] sign out and you have a translator yelling you know hey don't [ __ ] come any closer or you will be shot there were signs everywhere if you come within 100 meters of this vehicle you will be shot and you have some [ __ ] guy who ignores all of those warnings and is hauling ass of your vehicle and it fits the exact profile of the suicide uh vehicle born id uh a bomber you know then you're going to [ __ ] shoot him he's coming at you he's gonna blow your ass up now sometimes there were no explosives in the car am i [ __ ] up no should i have taken the chance and go well boys this guy isn't paying attention to the signs he's not paying attention to the verbal warning so let's just see how this pans out if he gets here and hits the button we're all [ __ ] dead all right here he comes hopefully this isn't one or do you [ __ ] shoot him you gave him a verbal you gave him a warning not to mention he's got lasers on his [ __ ] chest he has guns pointed directly at him before there's a shoot right why would anybody keep driving towards a [ __ ] vehicle that says do not come within 100 feet or you will be shot and a verbal and people are throwing rocks and people are throwing water bottles andy has lasers on them and he has guns pointed at them would you like maybe assume that that's a [ __ ] bomb that's getting ready to blow up me too and guess what you're gonna do you're gonna kill that [ __ ] because it probably is a bomb now there have been times where it wasn't a bomb but what am i supposed to do jeopardize my [ __ ] life because this guy can't look at the context clues of what's about to happen you know and then there's the argument well maybe he can't read okay well there's a [ __ ] verbal and here's the biggest sign that's universal no matter where you're at in the world if there's a gun pointed at your [ __ ] head you know that probably isn't a good idea to proceed right so there are situations where innocent people die you know because because of uh you know a poor decision that they've made you know i think it's important to to distinguish the context i mean you are in that situation you were at war that's much different than you know this most recent shooting in kenosha where the guy was shot in the back walking to his car where he may have had a weapon may have had a weapon that's a totally different situation and again i think i think the enormous restraint to that our military shows in war zones where they don't kill people is incredible um given that you know they're not home they're they're in a place where they have been briefed that you were here to fight a war and eliminate a threat the police are briefed to protect and serve their communities that they live in protect and serve now kenosha let's go let's tell me the facts other than he was shot in the back what were they responding to they were responding to domestic call um the guy did have a rap sheet and i think a belief he had a warrant out for a domestic violence call and and uh he had a warrant personally for i think sexual battery yeah sexual battery what is sexual battery do you know it's a lower degree of sexual assault okay so he has sexually assaulted somebody in his past and they're responding to a domestic violence call okay and i don't know every single detail but there was an altercation uh with the police he attempted to it seemed like he was attempting to flee and by police testimony they thought that he may have been going for a weapon in his vehicle which housed his two children and they opened fire and shot him seven times in the back okay before getting to the vehicle that by president it actually happened in knoxville tennessee i think two three years ago the police shot a fleeing suspect in the back who was unarmed you cannot shoot enough one you can't shoot unarmed people and you can't shoot fleeing suspects can't do it it's it's about court precedent that's what the law has set so looking at that situation and again this is all with in contrast to our our military it seems our military with the with what you know you just described there are a lot of warning signs before they actually go lethal the police have been more and more in all these situations we see skipping the taser skipping you know putting time distance and cover between them and what could be a supposed threat and they're immediately going for a gun uh you know and i think personally a lot of that is to do with that the military does have a stronger accountability system if you [ __ ] up in the military you you go to prison for it and you know with the police in america when they kill someone that first they get to go home if i kill somebody or i'm suspected of killing somebody i don't get to go home i'm taken to jail and i'm held on with or without bond police get to go home with pay and there's an investigation that takes place that's where kind of the qualified immunity comes in now while they're obviously i think there should be you know the police and civilians should have some different expectations i think it is a little just doesn't it doesn't make sense to me that we expect less violence from our men and women serving in war zones around the world but our peacekeeping forces in our own country are not held to those same standards they're not i think we're missing a lot of context with this i really do you know okay now what i want to say is if you have been reported for a domestic violence call which this guy knew why they were coming i'm not saying this was a good shoot so i want to be very [ __ ] clear on that i'm not saying this is a good shoot but you just beat the [ __ ] out of your girlfriend and the cops are on the way you know why they're on the way right you know why the [ __ ] they're coming over they're coming over because you just beat the living [ __ ] out of your girlfriend now they show up and they say get your [ __ ] hands in the air now and you're at gunpoint what are you gonna do put my hands up you're gonna put your [ __ ] hands up right you're not gonna go turn around and start digging in your car are you no because why not they might think that you're getting a gun and if they think their life is in danger they are going to [ __ ] kill you to save their own life and the life of their partner which is exactly what they should do if it's real now i don't know the condex clues i don't know how far away that guy was from the vehicle i don't know if the taser was even within uh within uh the effective range taser might not have been an option i don't know and tasers do fail on many people that doesn't you know but so you know being a responsible civilian even if he did beat the [ __ ] out of his girlfriend oh i guarantee you they didn't just [ __ ] shoot him they probably said stop put your [ __ ] hands up get on the ground right i seriously doubt they just showed up and this dude just turned around and they just [ __ ] shot him they i guarantee you there was some kind of verbal yeah i believe there's a verbal you know there were orders given but now with that being said i'm not excusing that i'm just painting a scenario sure you know what i mean yeah no that's i mean you're you're a police officer you're going to respond to a call of somebody who already has uh whatever assault or battery or sexual assault i can't remember what we were just talking about but it was something with violence and now you're responding to another call with the same individual which once again is violence and i'm just i'm just trying to paint you a picture that is different than you know what we've all seen now that being said was there a gun in the car i don't know you know i'm not you know it was obviously a [ __ ] bad shoot and that sucks it does but you do have to keep in mind their mindset and what they're responding to and just like what travis house was saying you know earlier i mean one minute he's on the he's in the middle of the street getting his face beat in you know by a [ __ ] criminal and then two minutes or not two minutes five minutes later after that one's done he's responding to a call of a lady with a [ __ ] smoke detector and she's all she's all pissed off because he's in a bad mood but what she doesn't see is he was literally fighting for his [ __ ] life in the [ __ ] street five minutes prior to to to responding to that call you know and no human can can be trained to overcome that we're not we're not supposed to have to deal with that kind of [ __ ] as human beings do you think that i mean but would you agree with the sentiment that and this could be for a lot of reasons training being probably the bulk of it and accountability i think being another part of it but our our military does seem to handle these situations better they do i mean you you served so i i wouldn't know and honestly a lot of that information like the nitty-gritty of those like it's not we don't hear about it can't find anything on it but i didn't i haven't read any mass you know there was i mean this is like comparing apples to oranges though you know is it i'm a [ __ ] seal i've had millions and millions of dollars worth of training [ __ ] it takes three years worth of training just to get out the [ __ ] door and be able to even go to war and serve your country serving in a unit like i served in you know now if uh you know if and and and i'm fortunate enough to be able to you know to have served in that capacity but i don't think that we can spend you know five million dollars training every street cop out there so that's why i'm saying it's it's a little bit different you know we can't even get these guys ammo to [ __ ] train with to get proficient with their guns these guys are a lot of these guys that um are they're paying for their own training out of their pocket a really good cop is paying for his own [ __ ] training out of his pocket and we all know cops get paid [ __ ] you know so yes they do they need to [ __ ] up the training budget and and i do think this goes back to accountability i mean yes the george floyd uh case the kenosha case like yeah those guys the guys on the ground they definitely need to be held accountable but you know who else needs to be held accountable as the [ __ ] is the politicians you know who aren't overseeing their different departments why aren't they allocating a [ __ ] training budget i i think that the police budgets are they've actually continued to grow especially here in tennessee and they they do spend it on thing like a nashville i remember uh two years ago bought a mine resistant vehicle that's what it was labeled as in in the news report a mine resistant vehicle needed in downtown [ __ ] nashville there's a lot of mines there i'm scared and so i think you've got you know you've got police unions that are systemically just too powerful and you're they're not able to fire bad officers it's not able to do it there's i watched the body cam footage of myself there was a police officer in sevier county small county low crime rate county uh my mother covered this story he had he was there to serve a an arrest warrant on somebody missed their court hearing the failure to appear and the guy walks out his front door with a cell phone and a sand cop starts shooting thankfully nobody dies misses him the on body cam has a panic attack drops his gun as a panic attack emts show up he's having a panic attack and they give him back his gun and he continues on and it's a bad situation but everybody leaves alive thankfully but severe county was unable to fire that police officer and turns out he had been fired from two other departments coming to severe counties so police because of police unions while they've lobbed before police departments are not required to report that they fired officers or the conduct that's why bad officers get into some of these departments it's very easy to to do so you know i do think the problem is systemic for sure i think it's not just cops are bad i think that's a gross you know simplification of it that you know things like defund the police and [ __ ] have done but i do understand on on that you know i do understand where the the terminology comes from because the the goal of defunding the police is actually to redirect these over-inflated police budgets into community policing and you know i think mental health is something that is you police respond a lot of mental health calls they're real like homeless folks especially and they're acting erratically uh they will not respond to verbal commands and as we've seen historically that's how [ __ ] gets violent you know if they don't comply that's when the police have to use some type of force and unfortunately sometimes that leads to lethal force but you know i think this moves on to a bigger point is that do you think we do ask too much the police do you think they're spread too thin for what they're trained for i don't know if they're spread too thin i i think the i think the the the budget needs to be redirected to where it needs to go uh i think i hate the word defund but i think there are things that we could do um that would i mean look you're never going to have a good encounter with a cop that's not what they're there to enforce the law and if you're breaking the law you're going to have an encounter with a cop that's just the [ __ ] way it is nobody has good experiences with police officers very few but but um i think the budget needs to be redirected to where it needs to go i think there are things that we could do to minimize exposure with police which people have different st louis did it i believe st louis um traffic cameras you know you don't want to deal with the cops okay we're gonna put [ __ ] cameras on the red lights we're gonna put speed traps on oh but then when you get a ticket guess what that doesn't fit your [ __ ] agenda and so we can't have that so what do we have to do we have to bring all the [ __ ] cops back to be able to write you know basically turn them into meter maids oh you got a speeding ticket oh you ran a red light and then now now we have a ton of interaction that doesn't even need to happen because we as civilians just [ __ ] threw a temper tantrum because we got to pay a 50 [ __ ] red light ticket because we ran a red light and there's a picture of our car running a red light you know what i mean so we've tried that and nobody wanted it you know and now you you see what i'm saying though i mean if you increase the amount of you know interactions the police have with civilians that by statistical fact will lead to more there will be more violence because there's just more interactions and i think that's completely fair um you know and i think there are and that's kind of i think where as i also disagree with it too i think it's the worst [ __ ] like phrase they could have gone with but redirecting the budgets and auditing them frankly uh because there's waste from from our defense department we know we know there's waste there there's waste in our police budgets there's waste in our city budgets we're we're really [ __ ] bad about that i don't know why but we are um like i had a friend who is a little off topic but i had a friend who uh part of the national guard and before their budgets roll over he had to go out with his unit and shoot [ __ ] bullets into the ground to get rid of ammunition so they could their budget wouldn't get you know they didn't have a surplus to get cut thousands and thousands of dollars of ammunition it's [ __ ] waste yeah you know so i think i look at it more like let's you know audit this [ __ ] you know let's let's see where really like that police department buying night vision in a metropolitan city probably a waste of [ __ ] money it's absolutely a [ __ ] waste of money and i bet that money could go to you know what they could have done instead of by every member of the swat team [ __ ] night vision for ten thousand dollars of pop is gone white light and give everyone the best [ __ ] training that they could receive all ichitagon used guys like me they could have used guys like ronin tactics um there's a ton of them out there you know mike glover with fieldcraft i mean these are guys who were operating at the [ __ ] pinnacle of of tactics of entering houses clearing rooms and you know they could have done that they could have used that budget for those [ __ ] night vision goggles and put it into the training and done white light which would be better anyways considering you know i don't know any cities that have zero power or anybody that cuts the power to where they go um and and you operate faster on white light anyways but but they didn't want to do that i think where there's a breakdown is because we've been at war for almost 20 years people are starting to see they they they for some [ __ ] reason people are comparing police to military too [ __ ] much it's completely different we need [ __ ] that they don't need and they're seeing what we use and they think that they need what we use and they do not need that they're not [ __ ] operators there are police officers who are supposed to protect and enforce the law and um and uh i think you know i do believe that you know the vast majority of law enforcement does that uh very well now yes there there are [ __ ] bad apples and uh and and we've seen that but um but i think um i'm getting off topic here but i think uh redirecting the budgets to where they need to be and quit with the [ __ ] you know we're not in [ __ ] yemen over here we're in the us we don't need a lot of that [ __ ] what they need is [ __ ] training and and uh and as far as and accountability we need [ __ ] accountability and not just at the lowest level if an officer shoots somebody in the back and that person dies and that was a bad shoot and there is no excuse for it which sometimes there is a [ __ ] excuse for that i'm sorry but there is but if there was no excuse for it uh more people need to be held accountable than that one particular officer the [ __ ] they need to dig into his background like the one guy you know why are you there you have this many disciplinary actions you were fired from that many [ __ ] departments why was that you know you can run a [ __ ] background check on me why can't they run a background check on who the [ __ ] they're hiring you know so um whoever does the hiring maybe they need to be held accountable why the [ __ ] was this guy hired why is the mayor not overseeing this [ __ ] why is the chief of police not seeing this [ __ ] you know what i mean you're [ __ ] people right but that's not happening and then we also need accountability as civilians sorry but if you're told to get your [ __ ] hands up then put your [ __ ] hands up don't run away don't start digging through your car and [ __ ] that's i mean they're going there already already stressed the [ __ ] out hoping that they don't die you know or get shot and so the minute you give them you know you make them even more nervous they have to make a judgment call and we are humans and you're not always going to make the right judgment call so if you [ __ ] up own it just like we were talking about earlier you [ __ ] own that you know if you get pulled over for speeding you're not just digging around in all your [ __ ] when the cop comes up you already know it's all over the news you know put your [ __ ] hands on the steering wheel if you if you're a ccdo if you're carrying a concealed weapon you go hey i just want to let you know i'm i have a concealed weapon it's right here in my pants or it's in that glove box are you sure you want me to reach in that glove box and get my [ __ ] insurance out of there sadly we you know on that specific instance we saw philando castro uh that very thing and it's on tape where he said i've got a firearm in this location identified it and when going for his wallet as instructed to by the police officer he was open fired upon while there's a kid in the car and his wife sitting next to him he died that cop is not in jail so the account i think we're failing on the accountability uh desperately and i i want to talk more about accountability before i do training specifically you had said you know you went through millions of dollars of training and it it together how many which years i think you said today it's going to take you three years from joining the military if you want to be a seal it's going to take you three years at a minimum to get out the door and go fight a war because you need that much training two and a half three years you were from florida correct i'm originally from missouri missouri okay well speaking of you know training and like we invest very much in our military and i think that's a good thing we need to our police not so much florida the our input it takes to become a street cop 770 hours by contrast to be a licensed interior designer in florida it takes 1760 hours to get that license california high crime place 664 hours to become a police officer 1600 hours become a cosmetologist north carolina very close to our state 620 hours to become a police officer 1500 hours to become a licensed barber so somewhere along the line we as a society have said and i think this affects the type of people we hire to to protect us and to and to enforce the law you don't need a lot of qualifications not a whole lot of training and for damn sure i know and i think they should the police do not have to have any type of law training at all but they're supposed to enforce something that they don't know anything about that's a problem to me it's a problem to me that in north carolina and in this state it takes double more than double the amount of hours to become a [ __ ] barber than it does to walk around with a badge and a gun and to [ __ ] with people's rights and i i think that's absurd and i don't see how anybody on any political side of any spectrum can't look at that and think that's [ __ ] crazy it's crazy i think so i mean i got nothing i agree a hundred percent with you but you know what's going to have to happen is the but we can't defund them how many hours did you say it takes in north carolina 620 hours okay well if you defund them now it's going to take 310 [ __ ] hours and then it's going to get worse and then we're going to defund them more and it's going to be 155 bucking hours and it's going to get even worse you're going to have to give them money yeah if you want you just like anything in life you get what you [ __ ] pay for and if you pay a person that you expect to protect the protect your life and uphold the law [ __ ] minimum wage you're gonna get [ __ ] as a product let's look at budgets i mean the state police budget for north carolina where it takes 620 hours to become a cop their budget in 2019 there's a few line items here i'm looking on the government's website but it's it's several billion dollars so i don't think it's a matter of that the money's not there i think the money is being just like with anything just not being used very well yeah um and i mean that just kind of seems to come with the territory of being an american sometimes you know it's just the money it seems to be in few hands and i think a lot of it's going into unnecessary gear uh a lot of it's going to settlements a lot of men's a lot of it's going to their fuck-ups so the public can actually save themselves money by investing in more training and i don't think it's also just a matter of and let me know what you think yours it's not just more training by frequency it's also more comprehensive and the quality of the training i mean i'm not a cop i've never been through the police training but most the guys i went to high school with are cops now and i can tell you they're not very bright so i don't think policing in general as it stands attracts a model citizen it's not a fun job it's a low-paying job but also you know i mean do you think power dynamic is a problem you think do you think just the very nature of being a police officer can and do i think that the power can go to their head sure absolutely do you absolutely believe that and anybody that doesn't can watch [ __ ] don bradley's episode 003 and see what happened there and do you think the solution you know it so we've kind of landed on i mean maybe for the camera you can reiterate some of those but they need more and better training they need stricter accountability and we can talk more about that too you know and i think we need getting getting in you know to be a navy seal that was not an easy selection process you had to prove yourself for in very demanding training um i don't i don't think we we do as much there with the police in terms but they'll take anybody really um you know in some states having criminal record doesn't disqualify you from becoming a police officer which that makes no [ __ ] sense i i personally i kind of get that because people do make mistakes you know they might want to better themselves but regardless i think so yeah more training accountability and we need to have higher standards when we're hiring people and if we find a bad cop we need to be able to fire them and not have them tied up their cases in arbitration while the public is paying for it because they've got a big ass police union behind them and qualified immunity is a really i in its essence i think what was a good thing like you know essentially protected the police were performing within the line of their job but it's become now just a a blanket so the cops seem to be getting and i think that's why you see i don't think that there would be over ten thousand demonstrations in all 50 states if there wasn't a problem i i cuz you know on one hand we can't say that like especially you know my age group and generation like well we're all [ __ ] lazy and don't have the resolve to get any work done but on the other hand they're this like shadow cabal of [ __ ] like really violent protesters that are just there to incite violence i i think that's [ __ ] uh because i i participate in some of those protests i did peaceful ones um and i can honestly tell you that what we see on the news and what i have seen from my sister being a public defender and listening to her cases my mother being a reporter the cops [ __ ] people up a lot unnecessarily and not not just murder you know the we've been we've been talking about police killing people you know police brutality does extend beyond that so you know george floyd was a a prime case for that like many in fact minneapolis had out outlawed that very tactic of the i think it's called the the courtoid hold i don't pronouncing that correctly but chokeholds and those things have been outlawed in many states including this one but they're still used and when they're used and someone dies there's a lawsuit that the public pays for through our taxes but the police face no criminal charges do you think the police i guess my question on the accountability side of things is have you you know you maybe don't have to name them specifically but would you say there have been cases in the last few years where the police have been under my microscope where criminal charges weren't brought but probably should have been i know if i shot if i shot someone in the back under any [ __ ] circumstance i'm going to prison it'd take one hell of a defense attorney to get me out of that um yes i do you know i i agree with you now at the same time once again um there are scenarios where you may shoot somebody in the back where it's completely [ __ ] justified and um i'm gonna bring up that uh i think it was atlanta that guy got shot was it mcdonald's or some [ __ ] oh wendy's yeah i saw him he took a [ __ ] weapon out of a police officer's belt right there you're done you don't think that [ __ ] guy didn't know better than to pull a weapon out of that police officer's [ __ ] belt and then yeah he did he got shot in the back didn't he yeah did he get shot in the back okay well if i'm running away and i'll turn like this and point the gun at you and you shoot me in the [ __ ] back is that a justified shoot according to court president now i can only speak on the court cases that i've personally reviewed but my sister had a client whom a guy broke into her client's house shot at him he returned fire as the guy was turning to flee one of the rounds hit him in the shoulder her client is now in prison for attempted murder convicted that's the law do you think that's right no i don't especially especially in that instance no but if we're not going to extend that if the law will not extend that to civilians if i'm sitting right here and i pull a gun out of my pants and i go like this and i look this way and i start shooting at you what are you gonna do i'm gonna shoot at you you're gonna [ __ ] kill me aren't you and i would go to jail more than likely maybe maybe not but i'm just saying that's a [ __ ] justified shoot i i agree but it seems that the law doesn't give civilians in similar situations the same benefit as it does the police that's [ __ ] i mean that you know it's not right and i think that's where a lot of the anger comes from but but um you know and that guy and the wendy's i got to say i i agree with you there but the dude did shoot a taser at the cop a non-lethal weapon does that justify murder [ __ ] yeah it does really now what if he would have [ __ ] hit him with the taser and now he's on the ground incapacitated and then he takes the gun out of his belt and [ __ ] kills him with that while he's tasing the guy some would say that's the job there is no [ __ ] way in hell i am going to let somebody take a [ __ ] weapon out of my belt shoot me with it and hope you know what i mean that no way part of the job is to give your life away for [ __ ] 30 000 a year that is the oath that they take that is what they sign up for and that's the thing is i think nobody signs up for that and i think that's where what part of the oath says that that's different for each city i think that's where some of the disconnect i don't even give a [ __ ] about the oath so i want to hear you actually say that so i want to hear you say i'm going to pull a taser out of your [ __ ] belt i'm going to shoot you with it and you're going to sit there and take it and hope that i don't yank the gun out of your belt and [ __ ] kill you with it while you're incapacitated on the ground as i'm tasing you from there you're not going to defend yourself because that's part of the job from the perspective of that i'm a police officer from the perspective of a civilian either one from a civilian standpoint i can't honestly say because i think you know what i would do in the moment i don't know because things you stated you know adrenaline and having to make split decisions but i'm a civilian i think where the disconnect comes from and then this may just be a matter of a younger generation having to learn some hard truths and that being you know police have been idolized in our culture you know since i've been a kid they're movies about them that's that's that there's so much entertainment surrounded them and and the reason they have and have had so much backing from the public is because and same with the military they're going to do the job that no one else has the [ __ ] guts to do and they're going to do the hard thing and the right thing even if it may cost them their lives that is why we respect these people and there's a social contract that they're upholding that they're and they're enforcing and when the people that we look at to enforce the law even in the most dire circumstances fail to do so the social contract breaks down and there is no rule of law anymore i want to go back though just go back so you would let somebody tase you you would let somebody take a weapon out of your belt shoot you with it incapacitate you to the point where you are unable to defend yourself and with the possibility of them yanking another weapon out of your belt and [ __ ] killing you with it because that's the job putting myself in in that trouble would you [ __ ] kill that person who's trying to kill you i i i don't think that seeing a guy run away from me pointing a taser at me would indicate he was trying to kill me it seems he was trying to flee from me and my partner's right there it it's not an easy situation he yanked a weapon out of your vehicle a [ __ ] taser sean a [ __ ] taser do you know what happens when you get tased i have been tasted you can't [ __ ] move it's weird because police say they fail often and don't stop most people i'm not gonna take that [ __ ] chance not a chance in health it's i mean that's this is an interesting point because i think it i especially people like me we have a different opinion on what we should expect from our men and women in law enforcement and my my expectations may be unrealistic it may be but the law the law the thing that they're supposed to enforce it says you cannot shoot someone in the back court president has held that over and over again and until it's overturned that's the [ __ ] law marijuana is legal in many states it's illegal here it's the court precedent that's the way the law works sucks but that's the law i i i think it's hard to ignore i mean your police officer you're here to enforce the law you're not there to die because somebody [ __ ] shot that cop wasn't gonna die how do you know that and where's the [ __ ] accountability for this civilian he's dead why did he [ __ ] take a taser out of a [ __ ] officer's belt he took a stole a weapon out of an officer's [ __ ] belt yeah oh no i mean it was where's that accountability like everybody seems to skip over that i do think that is fair and what i would say to that is a couple things one the guy was [ __ ] super intoxicated we do know that and two just the benefit that you you give you you said earlier you know about making split decisions if you're being [ __ ] with it by the police and you don't want to be are you going to defend yourself against the cops if you don't feel like you [ __ ] want to go with them yeah probably so the same adrenaline and the same split you know second decision making i think that becomes kind of a primal thing at that point you know i can't give you a good ra like i'm not going to sit i'm not defending the guy i mean he made a decision and that decision costed him his life that's right it did he made a [ __ ] decision and it cost him his life and if you think that grabbing a gun out of an officer's or a taser which looks exactly like a gun when it's in the belt out of a [ __ ] officer's belt and try to shoot him with it is a good decision i mean that's [ __ ] darwinism if you ask me yeah no i hear you i am not going to allow you to kill me because of a [ __ ] law that says i can't shoot you in the back when you're shooting at me not a chance in hell and i don't think you would either but here's the and yes you're right you are right i agree with you but the problem there is that the accountability and we've seen this with civilians yeah i'm i'm not going to take that [ __ ] chance and i am going to [ __ ] kill you but i will but that choice that i make will more than likely land me in prison for the police it doesn't that accountability breakdown right there doesn't make any sense it doesn't i think the only [ __ ] up thing is that you would wind up in prison and they would not because you should not wind up in prison if that were the case simply defending your [ __ ] life well i just i think it is kind of i mean and you know this from from being an instructor i mean the oh man like it's drilled into you you know i i'm a new gun owner they made it very clear very very very clear that if you [ __ ] use deadly force you better be 110 certain that it's justified because it's not even just a little bit probably [ __ ] and you will spend thousands of dollars and a good majority of your life trying to fight it to stay out of prison the police have been in some pretty openly i don't even say question i want to say bad shoots clearly cold blooded murder and they have walked and i think that's why civilians are so pissed off well i mean that i can understand but these incidents that we just discussed i i i just can't i cannot jump behind the civilian mindset of you shouldn't have shot him like i just can't i can't i have to [ __ ] back the police on that one no way in hell i would have done anything different well i wouldn't let the guy get to my [ __ ] gun belt but um but you know what i'm saying if he did and he was trying to shoot me with a taser and some and it was going to incapacitate me to the point where he could pretty much have his way with me i would have defended my life i want to come home to my wife i want home come home to my kids i want to see my [ __ ] parents again and i'm not gonna let that piece of [ __ ] take that from me when alls he had to do is just [ __ ] listen and deal with it later yeah you know and you know you you ask like where is the accountability for you know obviously in that instance where's the accountability for the civilian the civilian when he's dead but moreover there are resisting arrest accountability well that was a resisting arrest sure i mean sure fling another charge if you look at any arrest record from somebody who that the cops have roughed up oh my god it's a mile long they're they're i mean i can't even name them all but there there's a multitude of charges that they can they levy against someone when they resist arrest it's not just resisting arrest there are sub-categories within that so there is accountability for civilians in that regard the law is pretty clear i mean if the as a civilian if you interact with the police and they tell you to do something you don't do it you either get arrested for resisting arrest or failing failure to comply or you lose your life it's really no middle ground uh you know there's there's one in particular one police shooting of a white man actually that that really it's kind of when i it made me really take a step back and say hey i think there's a problem with the police um and i it's it's still out there uh the police officer actually i think it was like a month ago uh was found not guilty of any charges but it's uh yeah daniel shaver was his name i would i would like you to watch this and his body cam [ __ ] did they kill him did they cut that [ __ ] out finally so i'm surprised they took that [ __ ] out but it i've seen the video a ton of times it's terrible but so there you know you've got a civilian who's on his [ __ ] knees crying and their instructions are hard to follow you're you know that's an impossible situation for a civilian they were called there because so that's in a hotel uh they were called there because someone said they saw him waving a gun outside his hotel window they recovered no firearm but they shot him on his knees and you've got four or five officers with ar-15s aimed at this one guy on his knees i don't see the [ __ ] threat there i guess and when i after i saw that and the fact that that officer was you know it took forever to bring charges against him but was not found guilty that's a hard one for me to i i can't find any justification behind that that a man weeping on his knees i'm sure people can be good actors but younger guy weeping on his knees crawling to you very stressful situation for the civilian at that point not a whole lot for the cop you're surrounded by your team in a hallway you have the tactical advantage in every regard there guys on his [ __ ] knees and they put holes in him and they walked that to me looks like cold blooded murder that's a white guy it's a white guy so you can take the race factor out of it you know i mean does that seem like a good shoot to you no and so it's i think you know from where you see these these demonstrations happening and just the general distaste for police is that on one hand yeah you will see a questionable tough situation like the guy the wendy's who yeah probably shouldn't [ __ ] grab taser out of the cop's pocket probably shouldn't have done that cost him his life well not probably he should not have [ __ ] done that oh no he yeah well yeah he shouldn't have done that sure but the public is no longer willing to give you know the benefit of the doubt to the police officer because of [ __ ] like that that man executed that guy on his knees he executed him that's what he did and he walked and i'd be damned if he doesn't find another [ __ ] agency to become a police officer out again so i mean i don't know what you want me to say to that you know no sure [ __ ] up it is [ __ ] up and that's well i'm trying to put because i'm trying to think so i want to get you like a thing of peace like kind of recapping what we've talked about like [ __ ] like that should not happen and when it does that's where accountability should come in that cop probably in fact i'm no 100 certain should be tried for murder men convicted it's on video but he wasn't then the public distrust seeing [ __ ] like that will only grow and you know and this keeps happening you keep seeing unarmed people again again you know to to rabbit back to some of the things we initially talked about i do understand that police have a dangerous job i do understand that and just like you know when we had travis in here yes like been some calls or oh my god life was in danger and then he had to go deal with an old lady but this narrative that the police are just walking in yemen is just not [ __ ] accurate they're not they're not in yemen they're not in iraq they're in [ __ ] the u.s of a yes there is crimea yes there is murder yes there are dangerous people but by accord according to the fbi statistics it's not the police officers are not the target of that violence they're not only 48 officers died of felonious acts 41 of accidents not related to crime in any respect thirteen hundred civilians killed that that's ten times more so it's i i i do not and will not agree with this narrative that the police are just current like constantly under they're at war and that they are under fire all the time and that they're they're being hunted it's just not [ __ ] true the data there's no data to support that well there is video footage of los angeles that just happened a couple weeks ago of a man that walked up to the vehicle and shot two [ __ ] officers in the head correct yeah so sometimes they are being hunted sometimes let's go back to dallas texas do you remember that one yeah sometimes they are being haunted and the guy who did that what ex-police officer well that doesn't that doesn't it that doesn't even that has nothing to do with it but that made me my point is they are in [ __ ] danger am i saying all of them are in danger no am i saying the guy that you just showed me was in danger no am i saying you know i'm not i can't i'm not i'm not even trying to excuse all of them but what i am saying is sometimes these guys [ __ ] deserve the benefit of the doubt you know in that particular instance no you know he doesn't but you know and there are some places that are like a war zone there are if you look at the [ __ ] statistics of chicago and detroit and st louis there were more murders there than there were [ __ ] dead in afghanistan but so that is just as bad as a [ __ ] war zone but those murders weren't carried out against police they're carried out among chicago specifically is usually inner city gang violence you know rival gang members not police mostly civilians getting bystanders getting killed what happens when you interject yourself into a situation like that it's tough [ __ ] right yeah the violence gets directed at you that's what happens if you interject yourself into that situation then so maybe it is maybe we do maybe we defund them and we pull them out of all of the neighborhoods that don't want them and they'll just sort it out i think that would go poorly i think that will go extremely [ __ ] poorly but sometimes you know maybe the best thing to do is just let people live and what the [ __ ] they created yeah no i agree with that give them what they want you don't want any police you won't get any none so look you know kind of recapping the police topic so this is all really good man um so i think we can all admit a problem we are we are definitely seeing interactions between civilians and police becoming more violent and more lethal it's just statistically happening and there are you know in 2019 55 unarmed people unarmed shot dead by police i'm by contrast to like you know you were asking for this percentage but like how many interactions the police actually have with civilians on a day-to-day basis yeah that's probably a small margin of error but 55 lives doesn't seem so small when you look at it that way to me at least so it is a [ __ ] dangerous job it is you know and uh like i'm not trying to excuse all of them by any [ __ ] means but the police do a lot of good [ __ ] too and that nobody ever looks at the good they do they never do all they look at is the bad 55 people i hate to tell you that is a [ __ ] very very small number and you know unfortunately [ __ ] people die they do sometimes they die you know and i'm not saying that's excusable but it's never going to be perfect it is never going to be perfect and 55 people is a very [ __ ] small number when you look at the grand scheme of people about about how many people live in the us it's like 314 million or some [ __ ] i think and um so 55 people out of 314 million people what's that percentage it's never gonna be perfect i'm sorry it's just never gonna be [ __ ] perfect that number is pretty [ __ ] close to perfect i would say that you know the the total death count being you know 1300 yeah that that margin of error is pretty low but and yeah by numbers yes 55 is low there's always room for improvement and there's definitely improvements that need to be made a hundred and [ __ ] ten percent i am with you on that there's no doubt there's always room for improvement they need they need more you know they need we need to hold them accountable you know what i mean when things are [ __ ] up i call them accountable what way i want to hear specifically on that i mean that guy the video that you showed me i mean that guy needs to be tried now you know and even even commenting on that video i don't know the [ __ ] context of of what happened before that i don't i don't know if there were more people in the room i don't know and i'm not saying that excuses them anyways because chances are it doesn't but um but uh yeah i mean and be held accountable in one way in the same way they [ __ ] hold civilians accountable that's the way they need to be held accountable but you know you can't [ __ ] tell me that shooting somebody in the back isn't [ __ ] justified you know in under certain circumstances that's just not true it's not [ __ ] true and um and uh you know they do have a dangerous job they have an extremely dangerous job they need more training how to conduct business doing that kind of a job and um and we don't give them enough credit either for what they do i don't believe we give them enough credit i also don't believe we hold uh certain ones accountable uh you know to the standard they need to be held accountable to but yes there's a problem and here and here are the core problems one you know training and accountability and the solution to this problem is you know well increased training but like the quality and caliber and type of training and accountability as as a system as stringent as our military i i just think it should almost be more you know like it really is [ __ ] up maybe just because i'm so far removed from it does not bother me one bit to think that you know we probably shot some unarmed people in [ __ ] iraq because you we sent you over there to [ __ ] go to war we did that our country [ __ ] sent you there to go to combat it's a different [ __ ] ball game run around [ __ ] nashville like [ __ ] me man like it's it's a different place under different circumstances with a different mission you're absolutely right but i'm telling you like the context you have to take the context i'm saying the context is in your favor not the cops that's what i'm saying the context of being in iraq at war [ __ ] up there makes sense routine traffic stop in a city you [ __ ] work the beat on every day and you shoot a dude several times it turns out he's unarmed i don't know context seems to be kind of yeah like it would make sense to me if you walked up to a car that you don't know if there's a [ __ ] bomb in there or whatever and you would expect that type of thing because of where you're at but i don't think you can expect the same type of lethality from you know your everyday american civilian no you can't from your everyday american civilian but if you know if you're responding to a violence a a domestic violence call in antioch where there's a murder every [ __ ] night that's different than responding to uh petty theft in green hills is it not it's [ __ ] way different and you are interjecting yourself into a domestic violence call and you're getting shot at now you're at war it's the same [ __ ] thing i don't know many domestic dispute calls and domestic violence calls and with the police getting shot at well i'm not i'm just i'm just it's context i'm just giving you context you have to take into consideration where this is happening and where it's not happening you don't hear this [ __ ] happening in areas where there's a low crime rate you hear this [ __ ] happening in areas where there's a high crime rate correct generally yeah when there's a high crime rate the ball game changes that's just they have to i mean they have to protect themselves as well and so you know i kind of want to wrap this thing up but um you know uh i don't think that demonizing police is the right thing to do i that's why i want to know this percentage if the percentage is 0.5 which is probably even less than that i'm really willing to bet it's less than that you cannot demonize an entire [ __ ] police force for point five percent just can't do it you know and um because you just chop the legs off of every other [ __ ] cop out there who's trying to do good and a lot of them are doing good you know we had a guy uh email he he he is under indictment because he responded to a call where a man drowned i believe his six-year-old daughter held her underwater i think they estimated uh like three or four minutes and in missouri kansas city missouri he [ __ ] drowned his kid in a pond in the middle of december below freezing that officer showed up and saved that little girl's life the only way he saved your life is you know kids uh when they drown in his cold water they're easily revived but she was [ __ ] dead he saved her and then he knocked the [ __ ] out of the guy for drowning his [ __ ] kid because his emotions got the best of them guess what that dude's being held accountable for beating the [ __ ] out of that guy for saving a [ __ ] girl and slapping a dude who drowned a six-year-old girl it's weird how that works that's pretty [ __ ] up isn't it so anyways what i'm saying is you cannot demonize an entire [ __ ] an entire uh occupation for you know the point whatever percent that's bad you have to you know reinforce the good and you know discipline the bad and uh and and and as civilians um we are not holding ourselves accountable it is unacceptable to yank a weapon out of a cops belt it is onyx if you are being called upon but you know if if police are responding to you because of a domestic thing a domestic violence or whatever the [ __ ] it is you don't [ __ ] around and dig around in your car if they tell you to put your hands up you put your [ __ ] hands up and that's it and you deal with it later you know you need as civilians you need to hold yourselves accountable and that's not happening that is not [ __ ] happening you know ed calderon was just here talked about a protester in portland who threw a molotov cocktail at a [ __ ] cop but he missed and the [ __ ] thing set his own leg on fire who saved his ass the [ __ ] cop saved his ass didn't he there's some good you want to go protest go ahead let me put your [ __ ] leg out then you can throw another [ __ ] molotov cocktail at me [ __ ] you you know nobody's talking about this it's only the bad and that's making [ __ ] more dangerous but um but uh and then lastly you know i think uh defunding is is is the wrong thing to do and and you've said it too you know it's the wrong phrase you need to they need to uh redirect the budget to where it needs to go and they need to hold the [ __ ] others okay they need to hold the politicians accountable as well not just the [ __ ] beat cop that's on the street trying to do his job and made a [ __ ] up judgment call who's gonna pay or maybe he's not gonna pay i don't know but you cannot just hold him accountable not when there's a [ __ ] record you know you gotta hold a lot more accountable than that and um and that's not happening either so you know i think uh a a a updated budget on where the funds are being spent is is extremely important i think accountability to the police is also important and i also think accountability to this [ __ ] civilians is also important and uh you know if you're not willing to take accountability for your actions then you're just a [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] but Other than that then i don't know what else to say it's good [ __ ] man that's really good [ __ ] especially that zinger there yeah absolutely that's really good [ __ ] and it's true it's all true you

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Length: 104min 14sec (6254 seconds)

Published: Sun Nov 01 2020