030 Shawn Ryan

[Music] welcome to mic drop the podcast where relevancy is irrelevant and we don't give a [ __ ] about your feelings ladies and gentlemen as always it's a distinct honor and pleasure to welcome my next guest to the podcast he is a former US Navy SEAL for six years and conducted two deployments he was a CIA contractor for nine years doing mobile security work and accomplished 20 that's right 20 [ __ ] overseas deployments he is the current owner of vigilance elite which provides shooting and tactics instruction as well as marketing consultation he trained Keanu Reeves for the movie John wick if Dirty Harry and John Wayne had a kid it would be him and the last [ __ ] that he gave is actually arm wrestling with the last [ __ ] that I gave at the gates of Hell welcome to the podcast Sean Ryan hey thanks Mike yeah I appreciate the hell out of you coming down here I know you know scheduling-wise it's a [ __ ] I know you just moved to Tennessee and with a fellow brother of ours passing tragically here rest in peace Scotty Wirtz I know you attended his funeral last night up in st. Louis and made the trek down here so I can't thank you enough for for fitness in that's a that's a big [ __ ] deal oh thank you for having me if I'm really appreciate the opportunity yeah so the in terms of kind of how I like to do this like to throw a little bit of a lightning round at people first just kind of worked the [ __ ] kinks out and get the creative juices flowing not in a weird way or maybe in a weird way we are a couple X frogmen so it could get [ __ ] weird who knows one thing I do want to ask just in terms of because it's it's so recent what is your favorite Scotty word story and for the listeners Scott words was a former SEAL that was just killed in action in Syria in mid-january and Sean went to his funeral last night so that'll give you some context as to when this was recorded but you know you I know you were you were good friends with him and just came from his funeral do you have a favorite story that involves him that you could share I don't know if I have too many that RPG but the the more xxx the better in this [ __ ] I will it took I didn't know him when the team's gonna meet him and tell CIA and uh my ex was a we tried to track each other down for a long [ __ ] time before I ever met him and his aunt I believe was teaching right across from my ex at school and when we've you know there's not very many seals a live in st. Louis and when we finally did track each other down years later like years after I broke up my ex it was we shared a hotel room not getting ready to leave for a trip with CIA and and you'll never be the same no what what's the Reader's Digest on that [ __ ] night well it made you gotta think about that yeah yeah maybe later is that that [ __ ] ridiculous huh it was oh you got it you gotta give us something well this is the only one that comes to mind and loved it bright edit the South Wales no editing we had we had uh I don't want to say what we'll try to drag that out of him later yeah we did put some Bailey's in his coffee so I'll see if we can't get him to loosen up hot sauce or spicy mustard that should be easy right hot sauce what type hot sauce Cholula Cholula that's your favorite huh it is the go-to well let me change that sriracha sriracha really yeah man I hate that [ __ ] how could you hate I mean I'm not I'm not a huge fan of hot sauce other than you know actually I've got a there's a buddy of mine that I went to high school with we're on the swim team together and you can fill in the blanks on that one but and I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a free plug Chris you're welcome common descent maybe it's decent I don't even [ __ ] know how you pronounce but common decent or descent condiments up and he lives in Kansas City he makes like these little like almost like a micro brew small batch hot sauces and [ __ ] I got a bunch of them in there in the fridge I'll let you have some but they're [ __ ] they're amazing and they're they're weird like they have weird names and they have crazy combinations and [ __ ] but they're if you like hot sauce and weird you know kind of boutique [ __ ] small batch anything check check common descent out but we'll have some of that I'm surprised you like sriracha like to me it's just kind of a generic [ __ ] hot sauce but it's the hottest I can vine that's you like it super hot I do know I'll get you hooked up he's got some [ __ ] that'll make you [ __ ] [ __ ] burn what's your least favorite cereal my least favorite cereal would be just cornflakes cornflakes what about Grape Nuts Grape Nuts a sock still got Grape Nuts you're [ __ ] terrible cornflakes are pretty pretty boring what's your best hazing story that's hazing story you know I didn't get hazed that much I just got the [ __ ] knocked out of me yeah but for good reason or welcome to the club well so when I jumped into my platoon they they the guys that were the older guys had gotten hazed like really [ __ ] bad and they decided they didn't want to haze us and at least right away and so what they did was they kind of waited until I got a little cocky we're headed in a clunk no which well no it was we were in Panama and yep I got cocky and got the [ __ ] knocked out of me in the showers litter in the Luda shaggers river bike Chad Wilkinson no [ __ ] is it just like a full-on ass beating or did they do any like humiliation hazing type [ __ ] ah they just you know kind of drowned me couple of blows to the head and then around me damn yeah is that a [ __ ] River like is it is it filthy no it's not too bad but it's full of supposedly it's full of crocodiles and that's a feeding ground for hammerhead sharks and [ __ ] anacondas and Jesus Christ we didn't find out until that night from Panamanian guys but yeah and then and then it became once the first one was out then I became just a regular occurrence god damn and so I'm being about how many times would you say you got [ __ ] leveled as a new guy I got it probably about three or four times in a month and then i smartened the [ __ ] up three or four times in one month yeah yeah and then after that it was uh I shoved my [ __ ] mouth you know here's your the interesting thing about that is that you know in our society especially now I had a short rant about Super Bowl commercials and how [ __ ] lame they were this year but as a byproduct of how soft our society has become but I think that's one of the things is that you know I have two kids and when I in there as they get older like I see a lot of these other other kids that they go to school with or just kids around town or whatever and how much [ __ ] attitude they have you know because there's there's not a healthy respect or fear for any consequence whatsoever you know yeah it's it's kind of like whether it's dogs kids you know [ __ ] loudmouth cocky new guys and if I concealed platoon is like if you know that there's no repercussions it's really easy to have a big set of nuts and talk [ __ ] and run your [ __ ] mouth but when you know that that your mouth will be held accountable that tends to [ __ ] change your tune pretty dramatically and and I think that's one of the biggest things in our society that's lacking now is is that ability to [ __ ] hold people accountable for their mouth and and for you will call you cornflakes not even snowflakes since we just mentioned it and since you [ __ ] cornflakes out there that get your panties in a bunch about you know child abuse and also they should know that's not what I'm talking about I'm not talking about beating people unconscious necessarily what I'm talking about is is is that consequence or that physical response you know to somebody being way way out of bounds in terms of running their mouth or not keeping their [ __ ] you go and check or what have you and I think if I had to pinpoint one one element of our society that's severely lacking it's it's that I think that that that the the byproducts of that that single point of failure right there have been detrimental to our society what what were your thoughts on that I would agree with you I would agree with you a hundred and ten percent I I can't I can barely [ __ ] stand it because there there are no consequences anymore today you know for what people say or or what they do and if they do you know if you give them some consequences then then you go to jail yeah there's consequences forgiven consequences yep yeah yeah no I know what it's [ __ ] it's a travesty I think I mean we could spend the whole [ __ ] time bitching about that I bring it up pretty regularly so I'll spare the the listener anymore soapbox action but speaking of along the same lines my next question that I'm real curious about is what is the dumbest shooting question you've ever gotten from somebody that made you just think holy [ __ ] you shouldn't have a have a weapon oh my god how much time do we have goddamn there's a lot of them but you know they're not always they're not always stupid but I think because people are just you well you know people don't research things before they come out yeah and so it's I think I don't know what the stupidest is because cuz I've had so many but what really pisses me off is one when people do zero research before they show up and and you train them and they keep making the same [ __ ] mistakes over and over and it gets to the point where I sometimes I think people do it just to get attention yeah you know what I mean it's like but but but how do you do this and it's like dude like we've gone over this [ __ ] 20 times and yeah five courses like yeah at this point we are you [ __ ] serious right now you know and I don't ever act like that but at this point you think you're on a [ __ ] hidden-camera show yeah waiting for Ashton to jump out of the [ __ ] bush telling you you're Punk'd is is there like a specific question though that's like I mean cuz like some of the [ __ ] I've mean I've had other other shooting guys on here before and just kind of shooting the [ __ ] with them like some of the stuff that they've said I'm just like holy [ __ ] like like people whether it's loaded magazines backwards or [ __ ] mean [ __ ] like that like that [ __ ] happens all the time but you know like to be honest I'm just I'm gonna really really really [ __ ] lack scores now I'm like a stickler on safety but I mean I kind of consider myself i specialty as beginners and yeah I get people they come out and they are putting bullets in the magazine the wrong way yeah and then they're putting the magazine in the wrong way and you know I don't necessarily I mean I wish they would do a little research before they show up but you know sometimes it's just like a 65 year old woman who who's never his who's never shot and and she realizes that today is different than it was 25 [ __ ] years ago and she needs to protect herself and I I can definitely respect that yeah you know to me I mean I guess I have a hard time busting old peoples balls like unless they're just [ __ ] yeah I guess you know for me I have this like almost mental image in my mind of like some 23 year old cocky [ __ ] showing up and asking just stupid [ __ ] questions or are you super selective about I'm very selective now I wasn't when I at first you know because when I was first getting going but it's now it's honestly it's to the point where it's almost exclusively private lessons yeah but yeah I boot I did once I kind of started getting that crowd where people would show up just to just to like get a [ __ ] picture with me or you know it in Ward or heckle me a little bit yeah that's when I won I made it more exclusive and I was like okay I'm jumping you know it's like the freelance gynecologist routine right yeah yeah I'll take you you come on yeah you know I'm gonna send you packing yeah that's [ __ ] great [ __ ] all right so this is my my gold gold standard question I asked everybody what is your morning routine look like and that's you know what time you get up whether you work out or not if you do eat what what do you eat like that first you know three four or five hours of your day what does that look like most days well do you want the at home the you want the what I'm supposed to be doing or whatever happens some see here's the deal with Mike drop is it's it's raw and honest so [ __ ] what you're supposed to be doing I want to know what Sean Ryan actually does piss excellence first thing in the morning well I have a routine and I have alarm set and the routine is supposed to be I'm getting up at 5:00 a.m. which I do get up and then I got 30 minutes to spend on myself talking with my fiance and then I do emails and then I go to the gym and I try to deal everything within 30-minute increments to an hour yeah what actually happens is I get up at 5:00 ding I go and I spend about an hour with my fiancee drinking coffee I'm watching The Morning News and then I go to the gym and then I go stare of my [ __ ] computer and I don't answer any emails for about three hours because my ad DS kicking in so it sounds like office space yeah and then at the end of the day starts approaching and then I've realized holy [ __ ] it's 3 o'clock in the afternoon and that's when all the work gets done cuz I start cranking because I work good under stress yeah the yeah I am curious so you thing that kind of piqued my interest was it the very first thing you do is is talk to your fiance I'm curious what the [ __ ] you guys talking about like when you still have dirt in your eyes from sleeping and like what what does that look like you guys you shoot the [ __ ] or you hang out we do both we just sit there drink coffee so she gets up with you that's yeah we both get up at 5:00 you guys work out together yeah yeah how does that go it goes good we don't like she does her thing I do my thing and you're not over there being [ __ ] captain Globo gym [ __ ] personal trainer honey [ __ ] you're not breaking 9 you get that ass down yeah no she does it to me but Tom but yeah usually we're talking about you know whatever the [ __ ] is going on in the news and what we're gonna do today and talk kind of our time yeah before the chaos comes do you so you don't eat anything I eat after I work out what is that what does that look like for eggs over-easy with hot sauce and children love sriracha yeah yeah chill ulla just for exits in a-- and some avocado yeah no [ __ ] that's a it's an interesting mix are you are you count on the kyo [ __ ] bandwagon at all or sort of whatever yeah I guess kinda but are you more of a low-carb guy yeah that's mean to me it makes it makes pretty good until I go to the [ __ ] candy aisle I go to the movies then I get 1000 grams of [ __ ] sugar in the setting what was where are you originally from I am originally from I was born in Kansas City and then I was uh my parents moved around a lot so I I moved all over Missouri all over Illinois Iowa lived in Germany for a little bit and then the longest I've ever lived anywhere was what seventh grade to senior year so what's that six years excuse me and and that was in a small town in Missouri Chillicothe Missouri [ __ ] yeah that's not too far from Kansas City is it about two hours I think himself right it's north no [ __ ] huh for some reason I excited I Drive through Kansas City I'm from Iowa originally worked what part of Iowa did you live in Des Moines my brother was born in Des Moines and then you know honestly I can't even remember the [ __ ] name of the town yeah it was uh died I don't know it was a little bitty-ass yeah [ __ ] I we Jim town I know that's [ __ ] that's how most of them are but what was the reason for all the bouncing around were you military brat or what my dad did he did a he commissioned when I was what in fourth grade I think and we went to Germany as a pharmacist but he had a job where he would travel around and kind of unfuck pharmacies you know so he would get hired go unfuck this pharmacy clean it up get it going and then move on to the next hospital unfuck dad so just bounce around like a pharmaceutical efficiency expert huh yeah so [ __ ] what like how does the pharmacy get [ __ ] up well they are dealing with drugs yeah so everybody's high as [ __ ] oh yeah no [ __ ] that's the [ __ ] and that was that was in the as an army officer well only only what four years of that yeah was as an army officer and not the rest was all as a civilian God so that's I didn't even know that that [ __ ] exists is that what he still does no now he's now he actually runs an ice cream shop that's up it's a [ __ ] that's quite the shift what what was that experience like growing up [ __ ] bouncing around I mean cuz I I had the exact opposite I grew up in Iowa I literally lived in the same house my entire [ __ ] life like same bedroom same house same school system the whole from the time I [ __ ] can remember until I joined the Navy at 17 yeah you know I mean I've been it was fine I didn't [ __ ] know anything different so that's just how it was I mean it was cool I get to see all a year up yeah you know that pretty much everything there is to see by the time I was in seventh grade over there um look the time span years wise was that when you were there I think it was four years like I mean ladies ladies oh it would have been early 90s nineties [ __ ] that's awesome what anything in particular stands out as being a not necessarily life-changing but you know impactful in terms of seeing [ __ ] in Europe at that age yeah a lot of the like the Holocaust stuff and some of the world war ii stuff and and some funny [ __ ] do I remember yeah we went to London and I think I was in I [ __ ] I don't know me I maybe fifth grade and we got lost in the red-light district fuckin'-a yeah that's a high five - dad you didn't get lost yeah what the hell are all these ladies running around in these leather straps for I like this I like this place John they're just guys oh yeah yeah do you think that there's an element of seeing the Holocaust stuff and some of the World War two memorials and the same thing like you know the first time I was over there I was I was blown away and really really impressed with how big of a deal it still is over there and how respectful they are about about the you know America in that context do you think that there was any type of influence in terms of driving you to want to serve based on some of the experiences you had there no I don't really actually just being honest but you know I was always [ __ ] young you know what I do remember going to those places especially late I remember going to the the Eagles Nest which is actually the Hitler's hideout and I was just like holy [ __ ] like so badass there's a lot of [ __ ] that [ __ ] happened yeah you know and and even even at that young I was like oh man like this is like real [ __ ] history yeah here and then but I wouldn't say it drove me to join the military yeah you know even like subconsciously you don't think it had an impact to me it would almost be hard that it didn't have some impact which will get into the the motivation to serve here in a minute in terms of siblings and and [ __ ] that you did growing up I know or I guess I'm curious like I would imagine that it would be hard to have any level of consistency in terms of you know playing on sports teams or what I think most Americans or Western listeners for that matter would consider kind of a normal childhood as it relates to that was what was that like what sports yeah I just think it was bouncing around and you know friends and sports like did you did you have many many friends did you play any sports I mean yeah I did I started off playing baseball I [ __ ] sucked and tried basketball and I [ __ ] sucked and but you know I was always trying new teams and I mean that's it you know the good thing is it's a [ __ ] great way to meet yeah friends you know so I was all in soccer I was always really involved in soccer and did you suck at that too I was actually pretty good and until I went to Germany and I was playing with the Germans and then I wasn't so good yeah but and then when I got I mean I just really wasn't I'm not gonna say it wasn't athletic I just [ __ ] sucked at those sports and then I started wrestling when I moved back to the States from Germany yeah and that's I tried football was like 95 pounds when I tried that so you know that didn't go too good but wrestling I did stick with that and so did you refresh my memory from 7th to senior year that was in Missouri yeah and so you wrestled the whole time I wrestled a little time no show what because I mean with me and from Iowa it's [ __ ] huge there what new who are you is pretty pretty light in the weight categories are you down 9500 I think I started at I think my first was like 85 pounds yeah and so it's great yeah and then I don't even remember where I went to from that but an eighth and eighth grade and then high school was 112 119 I think 125 and then 145 maybe yeah but yeah how successful of a wrestler were you not that successful worst of the year yeah I was varsity all four years but you know it was a small school and I did have a [ __ ] tough weight bracket I wrestled a world champion oh no sure yeah yeah yeah TJ Hill no [ __ ] yeah that's awesome and how'd that go you took a shot at the title - yeah yeah yeah right I got Tech falled in the first [ __ ] period but down better than being stuck right yeah sort of I kinda I mean that's well actually no I'm gonna disagree with you because they're just [ __ ] toying with your ass it's like a cat with a mouse okay yeah let you up take you down let you have take you down that's the good [ __ ] it sounds like a bedroom routine but we'll get into that later did you have any siblings growing up mm-hmm I got a little brother and a little sister what what type of relationship did you have with him growing up I was pretty tight yeah Ellie I'm still early but uh yeah what what's their story what do they do my brother owns the ice cream shop with my dad and then my sister is a like a real high-end hairstylist no no sure yeah where they live Sarasota and Cape Coral Florida okay so they moved from from Missouri down there what after you joined the Navy er actually after I went I moved to Florida after a couple trips ended CIA over Florida yeah what what was the the transition like from while you were in high school wrestling getting ready like what was that process like for you in terms of wanting to join the Navy was there up an external motivator you know something within the family what what drove you to do it and what was that high school experience as you were getting ready to go in what did that look like what drove me to you know I didn't I was kind of a turd growing up I still AM but you know I didn't really know I was always when we moved to Germany that was when Desert Storm was happening and I remember getting all the books and the [ __ ] playing cards and all that [ __ ] and just I was a GI Joe fanatic and you know running around out in the woods and [ __ ] carving spears and all that kind of [ __ ] and I was always really ended like the commando [ __ ] or whatever the [ __ ] you want to call it and then and then when I moved back to Missouri I started drinking early about seventh grade and I kind of lost a drinking in seventh grade oh [ __ ] yeah what the fight what were you drinking like beer or whatever the hell I could get my hand really yeah ooh dad was a pharmacist right yeah anything else in the now it was just boost yeah and [ __ ] seventh grade yeah yeah and so anyways I lost interest in ever very much everything booze and chicks and [ __ ] an old soul I guess like a [ __ ] 40-year old sailor 7th grade I know right but I didn't know you know my grades [ __ ] sucked and I was not like the superstar athlete I didn't play football you know I only rustled and I just didn't know what the [ __ ] I was gonna do and then you know me and my dad would go out and go out it and go out it and it came it came big argument happened and you know it's like I'm not paying for your [ __ ] college and blah blah blah and I said I don't really give a [ __ ] cuz I'm not going to college I'm joining the SEAL Teams and he was like really taken back by that and I always kind of felt like I didn't really measure up you know was there an element of a pleasant surprise on his in that you said you oh yeah yeah I mean it was like ready to you know go at it and game-changer huh yep and then like immediately just you're gonna give wait what and yeah no [ __ ] what so how was that was there I guess putting myself in your shoes was there kind of a if the not measuring up element is there and in his response is super positive did that motivate you to make it through to be like I'll [ __ ] show you you know type of thing oh yeah yeah there was definitely a lot behind your shoulder yeah yeah yeah it was almost identical to that and you know I just I ran with a brilliant crowd and and those guys were always in the paper for [ __ ] scoring a touchdown or winning a state championship and wrestling or whatever the [ __ ] it is and you know I just didn't have it you know and so I never really measured up and the coaches I because you know how football is in high school it's like I mean I could [ __ ] give two shits about it but you know that [ __ ] with you and then my brother was like a superstar baseball player and I wasn't and so that's a path I chose and I was like yeah in my grades sucked and I was like I'm gonna [ __ ] show off I don't like SEAL team material drinking in seventh grade shitty great good bad attitude you're yet upper level man has been written all over you mmm-hmm promote that [ __ ] guy what what was did you join right out of high school I did what what was the the process like from you know let's say when you graduated until went to boot camp and can you walk us through that that process I mean it was quick you know I I agree I think we graduated end of May and I was out I was in boot camp on like I think the 3rd of July oh no sure so yeah I had like you know a little bit over a month before I went and it was I mean I was scared shitless ya know the process was I didn't actually know that I was gonna be a seal I just knew I was gonna join the military and I I had done a lot of research before me and my dad had our little you know but uh I tried to join the Marines and I wanted to be Force Recon and they're like get the [ __ ] are you kidding oh she's like a buck forty and they said you're too smart you have to go talk to the Navy yeah and then I went to the army and I wanted to I was wanted to be a ranger I wanted to be a green beret and they told me to [ __ ] about this and and so the Air Force that never did look at but the Navy recruiter like it was all in the same hallway and they like kind of stuck his head out I got some for you might want to check out over here yeah and so I went over and I was like wait a minute you're telling me that I don't have to go do all this other [ __ ] [ __ ] before I get in there and they was like no you can go right to seal Trek and go right in there and I was like wall began [ __ ] let's do it and the rest is history [ __ ] recruiters that would did that did they get you an actual [ __ ] seal contract to go straight in yeah I wouldn't know I wouldn't have signed up but boy I mean I know they tell a lot of [ __ ] people that and you know those people end up chip and paint for four [ __ ] years yeah no but he legit hooked you up huh yeah well I mean they had like that they had it was like a thing when I dived for the program the seal challenge program or some [ __ ] and I wouldn't sign anything until until I saw it in writing and I had some issues with my eyes I just [ __ ] lied pretty much and got in yeah one thing that I keep coming back to mentally did your dad know you were drinking at 7-7 [ __ ] grade like did your parents have any idea yeah no [ __ ] like they didn't like it they tried to stop me but so they'd bust your [ __ ] drinking and so they would bust me they would ground me they would you know do whatever they had to do and then I would just [ __ ] walk right back out the back door go do it again I just just didn't give up literally unstoppable that is [ __ ] hilarious man that's some [ __ ] I've never even I mean I'm surprised as many team guys I know I don't know anybody was drinking like that it's having [ __ ] great that's hilarious and don't get your panties in a twist I know something you're out there like that's not funny shut up anyway I know the comments are gonna come in so I'm just gonna preemptively stomp them out I don't want to hear it all right so the Navy career you go you join the Navy go through boot camp you go straight to buds what buds class were you I started in 240 and then I rolled into 241 okay what uh what happened with that booze no [ __ ] yeah do you drink now I don't I have I do drink but not much I haven't really like a glass of wine at the end of the night to wind down and that's it and I'm surprised you fell like at what stage and training did you get was it Postel week yeah yeah because I mean before that day to ship candy yeah I'm surprised oh yeah yeah it wasn't actually for drinking specifically but um you know we got through we got through whole week and I mean you know how everybody is I think you're unstoppable after that and like oh I'm gonna [ __ ] coast through now and believe it or not I failed the first phase exam no [ __ ] yeah and me and two other guys went out you know I mean SDS used right around the corner went out partying Jason checks and yeah [ __ ] 19 18 yeah 18 or 19 and I didn't study and I [ __ ] failed it and got rolled no [ __ ] yeah I don't think I've met anybody that failed the first phase test until now well congratulations today is your day [ __ ] lucky then yeah that is [ __ ] priceless yet so you get performance rolled in the 241 yeah I feel like there who else was in 241 that of note I mean I know everybody it was wasn't there somebody that's a kind of prominent that's from 241 late Batman was in 241 Calley mayoral I don't know if you know him he was a really good friend of mine still is even though we lost touch a lot but uh he was in that class vodka well Seth stone who asked not too long ago was in that class yeah a lot of good [ __ ] guys in the class you remember what the the number of graduates that were in that I believe it was like 30-something yeah it's a pretty pretty standard size class anything anything in buds funny stories or [ __ ] shows or anything I mean we all have a million of but anything that kind of pops out in your mind is as being worth mentioning for all the people that that follow you and in our listing oh man there's a I mean there's a lot of them I will say I've never told this story it's a mic drop exclusive you heard it here first but it's not it's not like that great but I remember in hell week like I just wasn't hallucinating and I kept waiting for it to happen I know I'm like so I start drinkin yeah I'm like yeah exactly but our River I was never I didn't hallucinate until like it must have been like the second last day or some [ __ ] and I kept waiting for waiting for it and I just would I kept [ __ ] starting these conversations with people that weren't happening and the guys would get so [ __ ] goddamn pissed off at me because we'd be in that stupid [ __ ] boat you know paddling around and I'd be talking about I'd be like hey yeah hey did you did you wanna buy those shoes yesterday because if you didn't buy him I'm gonna [ __ ] go get I got really like them shoes and they'd be like what the [ __ ] are you talking about and and then it'd be you know something completely different but uh so the the did you have any of the [ __ ] like the the trademark textbook actual no [ __ ] hallucinations yeah I did I remember I remember what do they call that when he is it around the world yeah the we were in the bay which you know is like [ __ ] glass and I thought there was a tidal wave coming and we were I was Smurf group you know which we're almost always last well we're [ __ ] in first place at the time yeah those you listen on the Smurfs crew politically correct enough is all the [ __ ] short guys the shortest handful of guys and in buds because the just for a little a little backdrop with the boat cruise you got these inflatable boats the IBS is inflatable boat smalls what that stands for its rubber boats that we run around and carry on our heads and so boat cruise in in buds specifically in first phase are broken down you're broken down by height so you know if you got a guy that's six four and a dude that's five six with a boat on their head obviously you can you can do the [ __ ] mental math on that like it's it's not gonna pan out so well so they break everybody down into height so the shortest seven or eight guys in the entire [ __ ] class is what's called the Smurfs crew but everybody loves that [ __ ] go ahead yeah we were yeah so you know we're paddling I'm more like [ __ ] you know stroke and and we're leading and I was like up front and I just remember looking over and I saw this huge [ __ ] tidal wave coming at me so I just like dropped my paddle stood up and [ __ ] jumped off the goddamn boat I'm like this is gonna tip over I'm out I [ __ ] jumped out the boat and you know as soon as you hit that [ __ ] cold water it's like you're right back like oh [ __ ] what the [ __ ] am I doing in here how did I wind up in the water they wanted to leave my ass because they were in first place and did you try to warn anybody or did you just one I just said [ __ ] it I'm out [ __ ] you guys I'm out of here but yeah that and then and then I remember also I I don't remember where we were at but you know how many times like the Dolphins are those yeah you know it's [ __ ] the seals are like swimming right next to the boats and [ __ ] yeah and I remember there was like a school of dolphin swimming right next to us and of course you know I thought it was [ __ ] sharks so again I'm up front and grabbed my paddle and stop stroking and I started trying to [ __ ] smack these damn dolphins cuz I think they're sharks and then the next guy stands up and he's trying to I'm not yeah so it's like the wave the one of the things I remember around the world again for those of us and I think it's is it Wednesday or Thursday night Thursday night it's towards the end of Hell week so you know you've been up for four or five days at this point and you go you paddle out on the ocean side of San Diego you go out past the surf zone and then you paddle all the way around north island or the island of coronado so it takes you all goddamn night so you start out in the ocean you go all the way up by Point Loma in through the mouth of the of the San Diego Bay and then down way the [ __ ] down south into it and that's typically where we're a lot of people hallucinate because it's it's so far into hell week a and B you're you're doing this monotonous [ __ ] just droning on stroke stroke you know over and over and that's that's really the only time in hell week where there's an extended period of time where instructors aren't in your ass yeah you know and so all of those things combined it's like a petri dish for [ __ ] hallucinations and I remember I jumped out of our [ __ ] boat but it was because I thought I mean I I was convinced that a [ __ ] semi was just barreling straight straight for us I know like I don't know what the fact like it may it may not even been anything like I may not have you know it could have been stars for all I [ __ ] know or maybe the skyline I'm at I have no idea what what triggered that in my mind but same thing like I I I was imagining this [ __ ] semi just headin straight for us and I drove right out of the [ __ ] boat and that was in the ocean too but and I add some other weird squirrelly like I thought there was [ __ ] mermaids and people swimming in a weird [ __ ] but that could be fun yo yeah [ __ ] mermaids smoke them if you got them alright so you finished with 241 no other problems going through going through buds at all in terms of performance for injury now did you have a wish list did you pick East Coast teams I did I did I picked I just wanted to go to team four and that's because I'd seemed some specials on the Connie ah the counter drug [ __ ] going on down in South America and one thing that also drove me I really was just like infatuated with Vietnam guys know in the in the movies and in the real guys and like the whole jungle warfare thing just really basically I wanted to [ __ ] go to Vietnam yeah like they would have been my dream war and so I figured Columbia you know South America Bolivia the the counter drug [ __ ] would have been the next best thing and so they stuck me a teammate strike platoon yeah what when did 9/11 where was 9/11 during your your career what right after boot camp I'd got now a hernia right at the beginning of boot camp I hit it all the way through I had this big [ __ ] not that would like I mean I'm sure that yeah I have you ever had one I have that it's like this huge [ __ ] balloon that just like pops out but it's it comes and goes right yeah and I would just like push it back in Jesus and uh yeah I mean it was like probably half the size of my fist yep but I wouldn't tell anybody because I was so [ __ ] scared that they were gonna drop me from the buds program yeah the seal contract and so but at the end it got so [ __ ] big and you know I didn't want anybody to think I was a [ __ ] [ __ ] either so at the very end like right before we graduated boot camp I called that whatever instructor over and I was like hey I got this [ __ ] thing going on like you know and where was it popping out at like right you know like right by the shaft like that can we see that not in the south but but bread yeah so it's like and he's looked at he's like holy [ __ ] bad an outlaw like don't [ __ ] do you think I need surgery he's like you need surgery dr. [ __ ] up and I was like well I'm not doing it and if I'm gonna get kicked out at the buds program he's like you're not gonna get kicked out of the [ __ ] buds program dude they go get your [ __ ] fixed so anyways I went like immediately into surgery right after graduation and I came out and I don't remember how many days that was out cuz I was all drugged up you know but I was supposed to fly home that day on we're sick leave or whatever the [ __ ] they call it and the taxi guy that I was taking a taxi to Chicago Hara and he I was all pissed off I was like where the [ __ ] are you I'm gonna miss my [ __ ] flight and he's like dude I don't think you're going anywhere you need to [ __ ] flip the news on and I did and right when I flipped it on the second plane hit well and I mean you know like I was like holy [ __ ] I mean just like everybody but at the same time I mean I was [ __ ] 18 years old man you know and still too young to really I think realize the magnitude of what the was in store for me yeah and and yeah but it didn't change my course at all was there an element of seriousness I know you just mentioned it like it was beyond the pale of what you could really wrap your mind around but did it make it more real for you at all it did but it took a little bit just it took a little while for it to sink in yeah you know I mean I was all doped up on painkillers and yeah and but I knew I think what caught me more than that was actually seeing the people I loved around me upset I think they knew what was in store for me before I did if that makes sense ya know I mean especially as you know parents I know like for me I was I had I had been back I was in between platoons I was at team three and was waiting on the next agenda to form up to jump in when it happened so like I was I was driving the [ __ ] to work at SEAL team through you you know on the west coast we were behind a couple hours I was literally like in traffic holy [ __ ] yeah and a [ __ ] waiting to platoon up again and so and my first deployment like a SEAL team 3 at that time that was before force 21 so SEAL team 3 was the [ __ ] desert there was the CENTCOM you know that's the central command that the Middle East team basically is is back then the teams were broken up into different regions areas of operations in terms of expertise of operational expertise each team kind of had different parts of the world that they were responsible for in SEAL team 3 was the Middle East [ __ ] team so it was a it was a pretty big [ __ ] you know yeah holy [ __ ] like but you know and I think similar I mean it for me at that time that [ __ ] I was 20 21 22 and yeah I think it hit my parents and family harder than it did me I mean for me like we had already you know the Cole had been bombed and we responded to that so you know it wasn't like there were there was some Disney World element lost on me or anything like that to where it was like what the [ __ ] this is actually you know it wasn't wasn't that I mean I already been overseas had already seen carnage and and what what al-qaeda and Islamic extremists were trying to do to us I mean we fended him off from from finishing sink in the [ __ ] coal for chrissake but but there was definitely an element of like holy [ __ ] like it just got [ __ ] real you know yeah immediately it was it was an interesting position to be in it was a good position to be in because I had that that context of pre 9/11 you know I came in when Clinton was still president you know and in my first deployment was during his tenure and Bush got elected you know while I was in my first first deployment but their first Platoon rather but anyway I'm always curious to talk to guys you know where they're at in their life with 9/11 that are seals you know because it's May has a different yeah a point in their life and then how it impacted them that's pretty while so I'm assuming you didn't make it home then well actually I did my dad came to me he came to pick you up and uh and we we went home and I I remember like like I said it had not hit me yet and it didn't hit me until I I could you know you can just tell you know when people are kind of looking at you like yeah good other than [ __ ] worried and their actions like is what then it hit me you know it took a while but then when I saw that I was like everybody else is acting really weird you know yeah some shits going yeah yeah so you finish up with that you go to USC go to buds we covered that but then once you went to the East Coast you went to teammate what was what was that experience like it was um when I showed up to teammate that's one that we did that's exactly said strike the tune earlier we're a stripe will tone and I'll explain to people what that means well I don't even know what changed but supposedly we're gonna be on a carrier and anything that happens I guess you're like first to deploy there yeah and then whatever a oh they carriers and well then was it forced 21 is that one they all everything went away as far as like yeah yeah there weren't you know strike platoons and just again for some historical reference for those listening you know again prior to each team had their their own areas of responsibility once this was called force 21 it's basically a reorganization of the entire community to where now each team deploys as a team and they and they rotate teams whereas prior there was always two platoons from every team deployed all the time - whatever that area of responsibility they had and I have mixed feelings on and I you know I am in a unique position then I did a deployment you know prior to it and then and after as well so you know seeing the effects of it I I think it makes more sense to do it the old way but because I think that we as a community lost a lot of subject matter experts in different areas of operations now obviously as it relates to the Middle East like now everybody is pretty much a subject matter expert on it the problem is is that you know there's very very few guys with a really good diving experience we had extensive diving experience me everybody does it but you know I remember you know when there were different elements of the community that were [ __ ] world-class divers there were world-class you know cold-weather [ __ ] guys there were world-class jungle and maritime guys there's so little of that balance you know everything's so focused on you know desert urban assaults [ __ ] you know what we've been doing which you know makes sense but there's there's a pretty significant imbalance in the community in my opinion because of because of that from from my perspective I think and then again just to bring some context to you guys the the strike platoons are what he mentioned they got rid of those they got rid of the args which is amphibious Readiness Group that was the first deployment I did which is where we were based off of a ship which seals don't really do anymore you know they don't do sub deployments they don't do lock outs you know there's a lot of things that that aren't aren't taking place anymore which i think is a travesty but so obviously that that impacted you guys then right so you didn't do the strike platoon you did you know it would change it it changed so fast we you know they implemented at and then we were no longer destroy platoon we were going to Afghanistan and when I when that came up I was like oh man like we're gonna [ __ ] get it yeah and and then the surge happened you know and everybody surged over to or they'd lot each team took two platoons early and and each each team took two platoons from the one behind them in the rotation and slowly surged over to - from eight and you know we were like I mean now looking back I can't blame them but you know we were going to Afghanistan then I then we get switched over to two and they're like you guys are gonna take the EUCOM and it like [ __ ] crushed my soul no that was my guru peon command for those listening yeah it Germany and I mean it was a fun trip but I didn't [ __ ] join the teams have a fun trip though you know my idea of fun was didn't have true yeah didn't it and I was pissed the entire [ __ ] time yeah and you know left but in I knew my first Platoon I was like this isn't what it's cracked up to be yeah I'm [ __ ] pissed I didn't go through all that [ __ ] to come over here and [ __ ] drink beer and chase ass around yeah and I'm not in seventh grade anymore yeah I already did this [ __ ] seventh grade okay I'm not 13 anymore but but I was I was [ __ ] real pissed and that's when my my attitude started coming out you know we did I mean we got to go we did we went to Haiti but it wasn't anything you know really and we did some [ __ ] and pat him well we didn't it was just me you know it was cool because it was like the first real world off of anybody that was in my buds class but nothing happened and then we went to you calm and then when your new calm and you got you know the super ups and [ __ ] coming in from the guys that are in Afghanistan the guys that are in Iraq and they're [ __ ] killing you know 100 plus guys on target by calling and castes and everything and and I'm just like I would leave I would get up and leave the brief yeah so fun which went over well yeah and you know it's like you got to earn your spot and that just a lot of people hated it cuz I just didn't I didn't have a [ __ ] filter you know and I'm like dude I don't need to earn a spot to go serve my [ __ ] country and well I mean that's what buds is for yeah I mean and you know but that was there was the pretty 911 crowd you know and it had never done anything yeah messing around for 15 years and so they're like [ __ ] we're going first yeah and and that just I didn't [ __ ] care I came in to get [ __ ] doors in yeah and so that happened and then we stayed it to and then I went to Afghanistan my second pump and I heard Eddie talkative Eddie who I was Eddie was with us on that one and it was I mean it was alright we did you know some stuff and it wasn't anything like crazy crazy it was after right after Red Wings yeah so you know everything it kind of like everybody was you know it was the biggest loss up to date to that at that time and we went home early they sent the platoon home early and was it because of that it was I'm not a hundred percent sure what it was because I was just a [ __ ] low-level e5 but I think there was a pissing match going on between CG soda fan and uh our Admiral yeah and and so we left and my platoon went home early and I just went up to my chief and I was like hey man like I'm not going home turns out I'm staying here and he goes okay and I was like I want to like I want to go I wanted like I want to [ __ ] go and you know tie rack or I want to finish the deployment out this is my last one I'm not reinvesting and he was like well we'll sit in with the guys in Germany and I said [ __ ] you oh I'm not going to [ __ ] drown I was like if you send me to Germany just send me home I'm not [ __ ] going over there yeah I already did that [ __ ] so you at what point did you decide [ __ ] this I'm out of here was on that deployment I decided it on my first deployment no ship yeah I was I'm not [ __ ] Mike I was [ __ ] furious yeah you know we did the Olympics and in 2000 forum we did some sniper overwatch [ __ ] for Bush and Turkey and we did some like training with the comp swimmers but it's a booze cruise you know I just I mean I it's fun as boozing with the boys is it's not like [ __ ] one in and that's it was right then I was like this is [ __ ] [ __ ] I'm out yeah and and then and then he's like alright I'll get you into Iraq and I was like [ __ ] a man so I went to Iraq and did you I mean how did that happen like how did you did they just send you to augment another [ __ ] team or puts a learner book yep yeah yep I just jumped in with my sister but I'm sure who had coincidentally just got in there - they were sitting on their ass and Bahrain yeah you know doing the same [ __ ] we were done and they showed up and I showed up a couple weeks later and and it was it was good you know and then it how long were you in the Afghanistan for I think it was about 2 or 3 months I think so your platoon went home yep and then you went to Iraq and joined the sister platoon yeah and Eddie and Eddie penny and the other guys that had jumped in from his tasking at to go to Afghanistan went right back to their tat their original task unit and I just flew over with them yeah and they went back to their task Enid I jumped in with the system of tone and they were doing PSD work and you know we were kind of like the bastard children a SEAL team - because we're technically still teammate but at - and I had a lieutenant that was a [ __ ] badass and he just got us on ops yeah and how long did you spend in Iraq then I guess it was probably I don't know man maybe five months or four or five months prior yeah but that's when they engage you know we got to [ __ ] and go to war yeah and I was like okay I could get used to this I got you know and like I remember the first time we killed some guys and it was it was just we saved a bunch of guys we saved some lives and it was [ __ ] awesome and then we started doing more of them than more of them and I got the taste but it still wasn't enough you know I just I had this image of or this uh you know I joined I was I was young and really [ __ ] hard to please and I probably could have been going on three ops a night and it I would have been pissed off that we're back for breakfast like I only wanted to operate I didn't give a [ __ ] about gym time movies chicks booze anything I just wanted to [ __ ] operate yeah and one a week wasn't enough for me or two a week or whatever the [ __ ] we were doing so I mean with with the resurgence of you're like you get you're getting your taste like yes is what it's all about what so my my curiosity is where was your mind at that point in thinking like what the [ __ ] are you gonna get out and do that's gonna that's gonna scratch that [ __ ] itch then yeah well I mean I guess what my question is is what was there did that go through your mind is when you're in Iraq like you're saying it still wasn't enough what was your your mentality like what was that thought process like if saying okay yeah now I'm gonna get out and I'm gonna do this and it's gonna be better you know it wasn't exactly get out and do this cuz it's gonna be better God's honest truth I was so [ __ ] scared that I was gonna waste another [ __ ] two years doing a piece of [ __ ] you calm but I couldn't I was like you know what I love this right here like what I and I would stood in front of I was like I'm [ __ ] relisting and they gende all the paperwork up and I went in and I was gonna do it and then I told the Master Chief I said you know what I've wanted to get out for so long because that you come was such a disappointment that I feel like I have to get out and at least try it and then I can always come back and he's I believe it or not he actually respected that really and which I could I was scared shitless to say it yeah and but I was you know and that was with [ __ ] we were getting like $90,000 enlistment bonus for four years and tax-free over there and and I said I have to [ __ ] drop sorry man I have got to [ __ ] try it what was what was the it that you were willing to try I just wanted to get out and see if I liked it because I had I was big into reading business books and I read actually Trump's book is the first one I read I was watching funny CNN and in Guantanamo Bay and the I saw this [ __ ] I didn't know that the hell he was he was on Larry King Live and came out this new book and I was at the airport or something I saw the book that and in one of the shops and I'm not even a reader you know I'd probably read ten books and my dick just don't have the attention span I read that one cover to cover in like 24 hours couldn't put it down and was at the art of the deal or it was uh it was before I think it was at now was after that was like how to get rich I think write some original [ __ ] yeah how to pull ass and get rid but original bastard yeah but I couldn't put it down and then I started reading more read some of Robert Kiyosaki [ __ ] and it was just really [ __ ] inspiring and I have a really creative mind and so the wheels started turning in the business world I was like [ __ ] man I want to be a [ __ ] I want to be a business guy yeah and it was like don't want to keep going to [ __ ] war do I want to be a business guy and I was like you know what [ __ ] it I'm gonna try being a business guy and if it sucks I can't stand it this stuff will be here this war isn't going anywhere yeah and you know there's obviously a huge shortage of seals otherwise they wouldn't be handing out $90,000 enlistment bonuses in a [ __ ] 24 year old you know what uh at that point like so you you're reading these books you know you're inspired to to be an entrepreneur did you have did you have that thought process in mind of how you wanted to be a business guy like did you know right away that you wanted to incorporate weapon shooting things like that or did you have other ideas now I didn't have any idea about you know garden what I'm doing now and I had no plan I just said [ __ ] it I'm out yeah and I had bought a house and that was in what oh six when the housing boom was going on right right before it crashed and everybody and the teams was buying houses and I think I had my I think I had my first house like at 21 and yeah I mean guys were just buying [ __ ] left and right and actually Dom Rizzo had like a [ __ ] real estate empire down there and I was like [ __ ] it man so I just showed up it up whatever I showed up in a in a real estate office and I was like I'd like to buy a house please I'd no idea like are you approved for a loan I'm like lies alone and anyways God had sold it made good amount of money on that and then the and then got out at this at the same time like I sold it and got out like I think it was almost the same [ __ ] I mean it was like the same month and so there I am I'm still a young kid already kind of you know been there done that a little bit end up with all this money and I'm ready for the next chapter of my life and so I got into real estate and cuz that I was like oh [ __ ] like I just bought this and sold it yes we need a bunch money this is [ __ ] easy and that damn this wasn't on the East Coast Virginia Beach yeah des so with that in mind then like I'm still curious I guess the if you have that entrepreneur bug like what was your what was your mentality or your thought process when you're getting out saying I'm gonna try that like you know that what was the that that that you want that was real estate okay I wanted to get out and I wanted to flip homes cuz that was that was huge back that hill and so that was gonna be the thing that was gonna be the thing I was gonna [ __ ] start the the real-estate Empire yeah but so it didn't happen did the bubble burst and that is that what kind of I hate to use the word manipulated but almost forced you to go into the CIA contracting world or did you decide to do that before no actually that didn't come until I realized well let me I realized the [ __ ] Empire isn't happening yeah like empires more like a like a [ __ ] squatters tent yeah yeah I bought up I bought one house and dumped a [ __ ] ton of money then do it fixing it up and lost my ass on it eventually and and I became a real estate agent that was [ __ ] horrible but then I joined a fire I got into a fire academy and that's right about the time I realized that [ __ ] hated civilians at that time I don't anymore but you know I just I mean I was still shipping food from Afghanistan and Iraq and I tried it was it was like a year and I tried flipping houses real estate agent went to school joined the fire academy and then I had a friend told me about the agency yeah so I said [ __ ] yeah I missed that [ __ ] [ __ ] it I'm gonna do it yeah did ya so you basically decide that you know the CIA contracting gig is for you tried the fire academy hate it hate civilians what was that process like I know you know I had a lot of buddies that did that same gig but I'm curious like what was that process like for you going from what you were doing and integrating into that and what what of what you can share what was that like the academy or the agency the agency well actually I didn't actually know what the [ __ ] I was getting into at first cuz everybody's so hush-hush about it and so basically what had happened is I had sent my you know he just friend of mine told me hey you need to try this I was like [ __ ] you I'm not working for Blackwater I've seen those [ __ ] and he said no this isn't Blackwater you might want to check it out and was even dumber yeah he goes by the way here's what we get paid and I was like wait a minute Tommy I get to go - back to war and I get to get paid this much and so I was like [ __ ] it man here's my resume and you know I did you know that's the short version so it did actually what happened is it took forever because it's the [ __ ] government and I did I actually started on a Department of State contract yeah which was a lot of static security oh my god dude it was the worst like mailing I gate Yard lately yeah yeah I had no idea what the [ __ ] I'd signed up for but I went over I did this static security cake for Armour group and they pitched it like hey you're gonna be in charge this [ __ ] emergency response team yeah and I'm like cool that sounds cool well they didn't tell you it was an emergency the shooters being backed up yeah so pretty much so I just they had to go through the stupid training thing and I showed up and I'm like what why am I the only soft guy yeah over here I and but I was like well [ __ ] it man I'm here and they're like no you're different you're gonna be yeah we're putting you in charge I'm like all right well [ __ ] it whatever so obviously you know I [ __ ] blew that course out of the water deployed and found myself with the front [ __ ] gate at the Embassy in Kabul and that lasted about two days and I said [ __ ] you eat a dick I'm out of ha ha ha and they're like well hold on hold on hold on they're like I'm like well one the pay is like all right fourth of what you told me I was gonna get paid and these [ __ ] are getting blown up like all the time I'm not standing at a [ __ ] gate I was you know I'm just like this is [ __ ] ridiculous and so they put me in a emergency response team which is standing right behind the [ __ ] gay in a [ __ ] Bearcat and and you know I just I don't want to sound like a [ __ ] prick but I'm not [ __ ] sitting in a [ __ ] Bearcat and I sure as [ __ ] I'm not sitting at a gate so I said [ __ ] you eat [ __ ] and jumped on the next thing smoking back to the states and right when I got back to the states that's like coincidentally right when I got the call you know like hey we got your package done and we're ready so I went home I had like I think one week and then I went to try out and yeah for fur is there is there anything about that tryout that you can share is that all [ __ ] disclosure [ __ ] that you can't talk about now I mean you know it's the shooting calls are tough you know I never was that good of a shooter and I mean I was I thought I was a good shooter until I went to that yeah and I was like oh we don't [ __ ] around on anything other than the 25-yard line out here with handguns and there's a lot of guys who can't hit [ __ ] at the 25-yard line yeah and and it's under time and it's you know it's from concealed and and everyone fails it yeah so including you yep I've failed it before mm-hmm but and it's you know it's it was really my first time working with everybody from different units she got seals there you got SF there you got recon there you got Delta there you got Dam Neck there and it's all these guys and you know with all the similar backgrounds and I mean you can imagine the [ __ ] chest pounding that goes on in the egotistical maniacs and dick-measuring yeah constantly and oh you guys do it [ __ ] up and you do it [ __ ] up and that sifting through that kind of [ __ ] is a real pain in the ass bill but um but that shooting calls were tough I was I will what about the physical aspect were there like like physical fitness tests that were pretty legit too or was it just shooting uh yeah there's a there's a physical fitness test but and believe it or not guys feel that too I didn't think it was that tough um I'd never have really thought any of the fitness tests were that tough to get into anything yeah to be honest with you but it that was not it wasn't like buds or anything where there's like a you're gonna do it every day it's show up this is what you're doing and it's pass or fail yeah and and that's it in terms of mental stress and pressure was the cadre similar to seals seal cadre in terms of mine [ __ ] you a little bit and you know whether it's time lines are just trick [ __ ] you with tests or whatever like was there any of that yes but in a different way so they're not like yelling and screaming at Chen [ __ ] and and you don't really know what the [ __ ] standards are so you might like what the shooting qualls you might it's like well this is what you're gonna do in this amount of time or this is what you're gonna do do it as fast as you can and this many rounds yeah and it's like well like what's my score need to be and like now they don't even answer yeah it's just like from the 25-yard line from consulate in this amount of time or or it's not in this month two shots and blah blah and then the [ __ ] timer goes off and you're just like you know and I mean you're shooting for you know [ __ ] quarter million dollar a year job and that's yeah that's plenty that's a lot of stress in itself but um and the same with the fitness standards you know in the plastic or I guess it's not really a class but try out to try out is different but um you know eat in the recalls that you get to know that [ __ ] but on my initial one you didn't really know that the standards you know how long is that whole process it's a month month so the [ __ ] everyday or yep yeah yeah yeah I mean that sounds like a [ __ ] dick dragger like I said I have a number of friends that have been through a couple of masks if I wanted to come on and I was always in positions where it didn't make sense to but they ever I've heard similar stuff but I appreciate you laying that out so you make it through that you you passed everything successfully enough to to qualify or make it through that first timer yeah you have to so from there did you go straight into rotating and deploying or yep yeah yeah that there's that they've always had like a big shortage because I I think we had like 15 guys and three of us passed and the yeah and so you're right out the door 3 out of 15 yeah holy [ __ ] yeah Noor that's more yeah yes Jesus I didn't realize the [ __ ] attrition rate was that goddamn high yeah it's it's surprising you know and it's yeah it's surprising so here's a question that that I'm curious of now is that with what you do for a living now how long you did it do you think that that standard is is commensurate with the job like do you think that that that selects that month long selection process accurately reflects like it needs to be what it is to get the quality a product to have the guys doing what they do or do you think that that could be revamped and and get more guys through there that are good enough to do the job I think I've always been a big fan of high standards do they need to be that high probably not because there are other things in my opinion that I think feel like they're lacking and they have very high shooting standards and then some of the other standards are kind of like well this doesn't they [ __ ] really equal out but but I will say this it shuts [ __ ] the [ __ ] up yeah so you get a guy coming out you know who's done you know had an and and an impeccable career and as a you know what I mean in it and they don't give a [ __ ] they don't [ __ ] get to [ __ ] and I mean you know how it is I mean guys get out and when you get all those different units together and it's everybody's [ __ ] talking [ __ ] and more better and more better and lovable uh well when you fail yeah now what their shows are fine now you know character service record you just failed exactly it's like well yeah here's your performance and uh see you later yeah and so I do I really [ __ ] like that aspect cuz get these loudmouths in there I was Tier one from nineteen [ __ ] yeah well you still failed yeah yeah and yeah but and and I like that I like the high standards too cuz it [ __ ] keeps the real [ __ ] bags out too that's the one thing I never did the overseas contracting I did some here stateside for a few months right when I got out but doing similar [ __ ] teaching you know basic pistol and rifle [ __ ] marksmanship or you know tactical marksmanship I guess I'd call it but one of the things that I heard from a lot of guys that I served with and they've kept in touch with over the years is that you know especially in that like oh six oh seven oh eight window is when it really like the oh three two oh six was really tight standard wives high caliber guys you know all pipe header soft dudes but more and more contracting groups come into play and they're they're undercutting everybody else and they're hiring beat cops and reservists and you know lowering their standards and now it's like [ __ ] that I'm not going with this crew of [ __ ] bozos over there that don't know what they're doing it did you experience that's that same kind of thing in terms of an outsider looking in to appreciate the standards of what you're talking about yeah I did and you know one thing I just backtrack in just a second I did they lost a lot of [ __ ] really good guys because of those standards so and because of the shooting thing yeah and it's almost like man if you would like look at how this guy is actually as a [ __ ] operator or you you know working under stress and being able to you know basic command and control shoot move communicate and you know become a leader they [ __ ] lost a lot of [ __ ] good guys but that they don't realize like they're the potential that they could have had if they would have brought them on just because of a ridiculous [ __ ] shoot qual yeah and now going back yes there were some slip knots yeah and it kind of seems just like anything you know when the demand is up the standards [ __ ] drop a little bit but or you get you know dating just like anything else it's [ __ ] political we all know guys that have gone to different units here and there and it's like what the [ __ ] is that idiot yeah you know in other dudes you're like how the [ __ ] did he know exactly and a lot of it like I feel like a lot of that is ego you know it's like well he did more [ __ ] than me and I'm gonna belittle him to make myself feel better so you [ __ ] stay over there they put the pissing power the pissing contest power trip at some of the cadre yeah oh yeah that's too bad and unfortunately that's a poison you know when you get over there because then you do have a [ __ ] Slipknot that got in politically who's not comfortable in his own skin so it tries to measure up to everyone and then do some cohesion goes to [ __ ] yeah yeah that's interesting it's I mean it's I guess it shouldn't be that interesting it's that way everywhere I mean I you talked to firefighters [ __ ] cops you know federal law enforcement [ __ ] other government agencies whatever like it's there that element exists everywhere yeah you know but I don't think any anywhere is immune why the corporate America [ __ ] you name it I mean it's a it's too bad that the the human condition is what it is as it relates to that but all right so you you satisfactorily complete that and now you start rotating what of the places you rotated and what you did I know there's a lot that you can't share what what can you share in terms of where you went what you did and in any any stories that you can that you can share from any of that time I can't really get into like the real specific but I mean the one thing about that is like they say like uh you know mobile security or whatever it is so much more than that and because basically what what they have is a an element that is damn near all Special Operations guys from all the different units so and they'd never they don't sometimes it was almost like they didn't realize the full capability yeah of what they actually [ __ ] had yeah and it wasn't what I was in wasn't a bunch of old beat-up retired Master Chief says yeah come back I mean they had guys that were young and very [ __ ] capable mixed with some of the older cats and once they did kind of start realizing like man like these guys [ __ ] [ __ ] a lot of [ __ ] to the table yeah it then they started using us for a lot less tradition more stuff yeah and which is which I really some of the [ __ ] was really [ __ ] annoying but if we get like a good like if you show up to a place that has like a really good [ __ ] leader that is not a [ __ ] turd and realizes that capability you get that you get in on some really cool things that I'd never even want to thought of and then like an one thing that's really cool about the contracting thing is running into guys that he hadn't seen in years yeah [ __ ] reunion yeah and like I remember one time I was in Afghanistan and do you did you know bricks mothers oh yeah captain yeah son captain I show up to this place and and that guy's there and I'm like I didn't even know I don't know who the [ __ ] it was working for or anything I just saw yeah and I was like what the [ __ ] you know I was like holy [ __ ] like what's that guy doing here and I mean he's like [ __ ] 70 yeah and humping around in the and them in the mountains whatever anyways we're sitting on this rooftop and there was a team out that I've got into a tick and that's a gunfight for you civilian [ __ ] I'm kidding no and we're just sitting there shooting the [ __ ] and the guys get into a tick so we jump up on the rooftop and we're like watching them through the by nose and he's at he's like why the [ __ ] did you get out of the team so quick and I was just honest you know I was like Matt I'll tell you like it's sort of getting political wasn't doing what I wanted to do as much as I wanted to I was you know you know whatever that whole thing and he's like yeah that's why I [ __ ] got out did you were a [ __ ] Vietnam guy and like now you're here like you didn't get out like what the [ __ ] are you talking about and we're sitting there having this conversation and like pretty much board shorts and flip-flops watching our boys get into a tick callin [ __ ] arty likes you know callin an arty autumn on the dad guys like like why did you get out hold on just sided oh you know and then BOOM so anyways yeah I got out for the sin I was just like this is [ __ ] unreal that's [ __ ] priceless yeah I mean Christ he he was a captain the last time I ever ran into him or saw him you know but that's [ __ ] wild [ __ ] is can you mention anywhere where you were at I mean I was then I was all over I did [ __ ] done a work in Afghanistan yeah all over Afghanistan and and like I know that damn near that whole country like the back of my [ __ ] hand yeah and then I took us I took a short break and one did some anti-piracy [ __ ] and actually me and Scotty words both left at the same time and did that yeah and can you tell us about the anti-piracy I think that's something that people ask a lot like why isn't there more [ __ ] dudes on ships and like there actually is a lot of [ __ ] guys on ships [ __ ] whacking people that are trying can you share your experience with that yeah that's like it's like a video game it is it's like the most boring job in the world and tell the [ __ ] pirate scum yeah but I mean you're literally just sitting there well by the way I've never been on a ship until you're out of the Navy yeah and I mean you're just sitting there eating chow and watching TV and there's no [ __ ] internet or anything and playing grab-ass with the other guys on there one guy sips it's up in the bridge and watches and that and then when the Pirates come you jump up there now you would think like oh this is [ __ ] easy you know you just which most the time it is it's like a little I mean they're in like little canoes and with a with a you know 45 or whatever on the back of it mmm but they started getting smart and one time we were common and they started like probing - and they would set up like I know [ __ ] l ambush and I think one time I think we had like 13 ships or 13 boats no ship yeah how many dudes were how many of their of you were there for four of them I was like oh [ __ ] you know like this part's not gonna be as easy is that thought yeah we're down when you guys armed the bizarre that [ __ ] just small arms or did you have anything heavier than that all we had were small arms yeah so and down aids or anything nope just [ __ ] him for peashooters man and and that one actually just wound up being a probe believe it or not but yeah they had like six or seven ships on this side six or seven ship see our canoes or whatever you want to call them on this side s skiffs so what you call them and like lined up damn near perfect formation and when they had aks and sugar ak's RPGs this shoot and they are good to do or did they ever shoot RPGs that you guys know I'm not in mine yeah but and then they that time they [ __ ] backed off now when we didn't have them coming at us with everyone like like two Z's yeah they just get [ __ ] smoked and though it's the anybody it's just Christ and they you know it's funny as they were [ __ ] body armor you know they fall in the water and [ __ ] dress yep but uh yeah [ __ ] yeah I can brilliant but it allowed me to last like eight seconds yeah it didn't it's like it's like being in the sack really it's yeah over pretty quick so I gotta go get a [ __ ] burger back in Christ how long did you do that I only did two pumps so I was the first one was on an Indian ship believe it or not good food on that uh and what's for breakfast curry you have any snacks our having curry yep my mother's kuri kuri kuri kuri kuri and yeah I remember one night I was up there on the bridge doing like pulling Dede or whatever you want to call it and I'm just sitting there looking out the window you can't see [ __ ] anything and I feel this hand slide on my ass and I was like cause it's pitch black you black out when you get over into the like the coast of Yemen and in between Yemen and Somalia you go blacked out and this fulfill his [ __ ] hand grab my ass and I'm like what and the [ __ ] and I had heard these [ __ ] in the bathroom you know doing their [ __ ] thing you know I turn around all right I'm ready start swinging in this [ __ ] guy like I [ __ ] shine my love what the [ __ ] are you doing you know like scared the [ __ ] out of him like dude don't I know it looks good all right but arching my back and looking over the elder right Jesus [ __ ] that's great [ __ ] how long were the the pumps the the deployments whatever you want to call how long were they a couple weeks yeah like about a month to bottom on and then the next one was an American ship and you know then you're okay fortunately I didn't have anybody squid on my ass Jake on that one but yeah two pumps and I was kind of like I'm [ __ ] bored man and so I went back hooha with with the with the CIA contracting stuff were there instances where you got into full-blown [ __ ] gunfights or ie D blasts or things like that no different than combat or was it pretty benign a little bit of both a lot of them were like real quick you know engagements or whatever but there's like a lot of assassination attempts yeah and it's just the I mean I've been run out of safe houses and I thought I was gonna [ __ ] die multiple times what because there it mean it's pretty fight I never did that but I again I have a lot of friends that did like there I mean you're [ __ ] hanging it out right there so just happily and you're nowhere near anybody else it's both you know sometimes you're at like a headquarters and there's a [ __ ] ton of them and you're right next to you know all the all the so calm and JSOC elements and and your and it's you know your there's a [ __ ] [ __ ] ton of assets and then next trip you might be like really [ __ ] hanging it out there yeah you know what's like for guys yeah and I liked being out there with four guys and or at the outstations whether it's nobody because it it can get real [ __ ] interesting real fast now the shitty part is you don't have nobody's coming to get your ass yeah you know but could you put a number on the amount of gunfights you got into while working for the CIA on the on their mobile ship I don't know if I would say it's like straight gun fights but engagements I mean I was never I was only I was never in like I wasn't in Benghazi or anything like that yeah but um [ __ ] I met you no I never actually counted that what would you think it's dozens probably yeah but I guess the four people listening the I think we're you know some some folks may get you know turned around or get it twisted is that the nature of that is is very reactive and defensive yeah if you find yourself in an engagement you have [ __ ] out there and somehow longer it is the more you [ __ ] up right I mean like it's yeah break contact and get the [ __ ] away right yeah yeah any any stories of that that you can share that people might find interesting I mean let me think of one year what is I guess is there one that stands out in your mind that was like the hairiest that we were like holy [ __ ] [ __ ] that was close or something like that there was one that I was in where I was they had to send we got ran out of a safe house and it was bad it was it was supposed to be the second biggest or supposed to be a bigger push than Fallujah in that area and we had gotten compromised and run out of there and it was about 12 hours can you explain the in air quotes being run out of a safe house [ __ ] overwhelmed and surrounded and all like all directions and it started with a couple suicide guys and then they took a building and then we were along like this rivers we're the only [ __ ] down there and there were some Brits down there but how many of you were there maybe shooters there was probably for ya goddamn and there's a handful of other guys we'll call them other guys yeah and who are pretty much useless yeah and yeah and that's one of the times that I was like it or that this is how it ends yeah like so [ __ ] let's just jump on the roof yeah and but we wound up you know getting out of it and I was a 12-hour [ __ ] bully yeah oh yeah right around there and were you I mean were you engaged most of that time like off an honor yeah it was yep it was awful on constantly set the same question armament why is all small arms or did you have a little better better arms oh now we know kim yeah we were armed yeah we had good [ __ ] and yeah we had good [ __ ] yeah and and plenty of it so don't thank God yeah but you know like the ones that stick out to me are always like the real the real quick ones because you're always undercover and almost always and it was you know you might be on somebody for four years yeah you know and you might just be a small piece of a [ __ ] picture that yep a huge picture I'm trying to put little pieces of a puzzle together and it's just always like amazing like in the SEAL Teams you know when you go to do something you you know you're gonna get into it a lot of time so you know what I mean and like you're going to [ __ ] kill people yeah and with this it was more you're not trying to be seen and you're completely undercover you know and like just one wrong move and you got guys trying to kill you yeah a lot it sometimes they get tipped off before we ever even head out the [ __ ] door and but and it happened stupid FAST - yeah MIT's blink of an eye it's like holy [ __ ] right yeah I mean I remember one time we had this huge thing going on and I fortunately I can't [ __ ] get into specifics but it was a lot of a lot of moving parts but blah guys were all over and I was kind of like running the whole thing and I'll be damned and I put my [ __ ] head down for two seconds like trying like looking at my grg like fig lob one guy wasn't in the right spot he was like hey I can't [ __ ] hang here blah blah blah I'm over here you explain gog grg is like kind of like a it's a grid of an area of operation so basically you got you know your y-axis and your x-axis and it's like Ahmet [ __ ] alpha 4 or whatever MA and you just alphas here for zeref boom and that's the grid square there so that's specific to you guys so like if you're calling [ __ ] over the radio only you know where that's at right yeah yeah so it would be like if you gave me a map and then I drew a grid over the top of it and instead of doing like a grid coordinate where everybody'd know where the [ __ ] you're talking about you and because it's imagery yeah okay and like all right where the [ __ ] is that alright and then they're you know they're just explaining where they're at I put my head down for like felt like two seconds you know trying to figure out where that team is now that lift my head back up and there's a guy [ __ ] stitching up my window you know I have no idea how the [ __ ] they knew who we were were you know I mean or were even came from yeah and boom you know there was a hit and yeah to do that in all the 20 or so deployments rotations that you did those are usually a couple months yeah anywhere from most of them about like 60 90 days yeah in all of those deploying so you did you ever lose any of your guys yeah not right next to me thank God but yeah I know a lot of guys that had been killed on that contract and yeah and yeah yeah yeah I have no doubt well I know some some of them are our mutual friends of ours but yeah you know speaking of loss I mean there's there's been such a heavy heavy price paid and I know a lot of times people listening and even even us you know we we joke and laugh and remember a lot of the good [ __ ] I think it's you know out of respect for for the fall and it's important to take a minute to talk about loss a little bit in terms of the impact that that has I I spoke pretty in-depth with Eddie about it I like to talk to to most guys about it because you know one I think it's important from a a grievance standpoint or grieving standpoint but - you know - obviously honor them and never forget how has loss impacted you I would say both personally and professionally you know as it relates to doing that for a living - that did that impact you significantly while I was doing it it just I mean it just made me want to go back more more and more and more and I mean as much as I [ __ ] hate to say it it's so many guys have died it's almost I mean you get numb to it yeah yeah you know no I mean for sure this one of the things we talked about you know Eddie with with and in the last one that just came out was was that desensitizing to it I know it's impacted me what how is that impacted you in terms of personal relationships with almost kind of deadening your your empathy and sympathy and and emotion as it relates to loss and grieving and and feeling that way as it has it impacted your personal life yeah I mean we're always you know like from [ __ ] day one week one it's always Drive on and that's just what it's become it's become like I mean as much as I'd says it's its normal routine you know and Scotty wasn't the first and he sure as [ __ ] isn't gonna be the last and and and I I listen that podcast and I think all of us have like very similar you know I've heard you say I don't really get excited and I don't really get depressed and that's how I am too and it doesn't mean just with death no it's it's okay I mean told I can can you a million dollars right now and you're not gonna [ __ ] [ __ ] your pants and jump up and down humble I tell you no it's like now thanks man wait you know you know like appreciate you yeah and it's just and I think a lot I think a lot of will call them normal people have a hard time with that you know like what the [ __ ] wrong with you yeah they're like why aren't you more upset or why aren't you more excited or whatever it's like [ __ ] I don't know I know and then next I could go on all day about this [ __ ] but I'm probably getting sidetracked here but one thing that like I start [ __ ] feeling guilty because I'm not because I don't show the emotion that I know that they're hoping to see and sometimes like I mean I don't try to fake it yeah but I I feel like this [ __ ] guilt like man I know they like really won over the top right now and and they're not getting what they wanted to see and that [ __ ] sucks yeah this is a reinforcement principle that they're looking for yeah yeah no I'm right there with you and I think it bit plagues our our community probably more than most I think because I just you don't tend to see that and other elements of society where where people are that way I think you know the EMS first responder military you know it's only all of us combined one maybe two percent you know cops [ __ ] firefighters you name it that see that [ __ ] and go through losing comrades and co-workers and stuff regularly and seeing very traumatic [ __ ] and whatever and I think it's I wouldn't even say hard I think it borders on impossible for people that haven't been through stuff like that regularly to where their senses have been deadened a little bit to truly grasp and understand why why it is the way that it is and and how it how it is that way but you know I think it's good to to talk about it you know and to let people that haven't been through here your our perspectives to understand what that what that you know mental process is like for most of us but any anything else you can share loss wise in terms of you know guys that you lost on in that same project or program that that you can share I mean there's just it was just always its own you know and you know well I think what bothers me the most is when I [ __ ] can't stand you know like it's one thing if you die and you're in the middle of the fight but when guys get killed by a [ __ ] dbid that just [ __ ] crushes me it's a vehicle-borne IEDs for those listening because um they just you know you're just gone yeah and you know I mean I'm done I think it's pretty safe to say that everybody that has a job like that I mean it's almost like like you want to be doing that you know you want to be in the fight you you keep I mean [ __ ] that's why I got out of the [ __ ] teams cuz I wasn't getting enough yeah and when a guy gets killed by a [ __ ] [ __ ] ie D I hate that because I know they did not [ __ ] go out the way they wanted to and that just [ __ ] rips my [ __ ] heart out man yeah but it is it's a tough tough way to go I mean they all are but yeah I mean there's that element of wantin wanting it to be you know almost you know like it's written in a [ __ ] script of being on a rooftop or you know in an alleyway or you know in a room [ __ ] eight feet away from somebody and they get the best ear or whatever and and it doesn't always happen like that unfortunately but on a little bit of a lighter note you know that the relationships that you form and those capacities are pretty amazing - I know you know I'm closest with the guys that I've worked in that capacity with you know and always will be but what was the the transition like going from you know doing that still obviously having an entrepreneur bug where did those things kind of meld and come together ultimately getting into what you're doing now I mean I didn't leave CIA to start my company I actually had no [ __ ] clue what kind of like the same deal with the teams yeah I'm an impulsive mother who wanted out yeah well there was some things going on that I didn't [ __ ] agree with and I did what I thought was the right thing to do which wouldn't it changed the thing and I loved and when I I was standing up for what I thought was right and I knew I wasn't gonna be back if I did it but [ __ ] it I did it anyways and I had I just didn't want to be the 65 year old dude that's still [ __ ] on a rooftop talking about yeah that's what I do you know because I I as impulsive as I am I'm also a [ __ ] thinker and you know I look at those guys and I listen to people and it's always the same [ __ ] thing it's one more I'm gonna one one more one more [ __ ] good one one you know one more [ __ ] it's almost like a drug addict it is exactly like a drug addict you know and you do get [ __ ] addicted to it and in it it's never gonna be enough yeah you could do for money yeah it's just never gonna be enough and so that's why I did you know that's that's and I was a kind of that I was like well I know this is the right thing to do and if I do it I'm never [ __ ] coming back so I'm gonna steal this [ __ ] right now so anyway so I had no ID I had no clue what the [ __ ] I was gonna do I just know I didn't want to be over there anymore or it was gonna be really [ __ ] lonely yeah life and so I was at home sitting on my ass Bubba Bob and then you know like I feel like terrorist attacks just started it was like kind of like a lull and then when they came back it was boom boom boom boom it was you know France Belgium [ __ ] Orlando San Bernardino it was just boom boom boom boom and with all that came a lot of footage you know cell phone footage and I saw people I don't have a [ __ ] clue what the hell they are doing they don't know how to think they don't know anything and so I started the John Salley does the name stem from something well you know when at first I was doing the same thing everybody was doing and it was Trident security frog you know whatever this whatever tactical and I was like that's just not me you know and then I really I mean that the name changed quite a few times and and then I was just in the gym one day and for some [ __ ] reason I just popped in my head I remember every single time both with CIA and with the SEAL Teams we head out the door it was always stay vigilant keep your head honest yeah and I was like stay vigilant stay vigilant stay vigilant then I was like vigilance and then I was actually gonna do just originally it was gonna be well not originally but it was gonna be vigilance until I realized it couldn't trademark that and then so I had to switch it up and then I thought well everybody's in fast everybody is infatuate is live everybody is fascinated with a lead Special Operations units know and I want to make civilians elite yeah and so have you thought about doing like a more low-key mom-and-pop or average franchising maybe call it vigilance mediocre all over the country no I had you going you're looking like are you serious it's like what about the we'll get into that here in a second I am curious when you talk about standing up for what's right can you share that or is that cuz there is just a bunch of [ __ ] [ __ ] that you don't want to get into it's a bunch of [ __ ] that I don't want to get into I can just say that is the gist of it is like it was a shitty leader team cohesion was completely [ __ ] broken yeah and unfortunately as a contractor you have no recourse if you know [ __ ] out of luck or if you so if you create a wave yeah you know that they can't ignore yeah then that's you know you ain't coming back yeah and and but I know it was the [ __ ] right thing to do and I would do it again a hundred [ __ ] times no to me that like I love to hear that and that you know one I'm a big don't have any [ __ ] regrets kind of guy you know but to me that principled approach of [ __ ] doing what you know is right even if it means you're cutting the paycheck mean there's been a few times where where I've done that at the time was a [ __ ] detriment to me financially but in the long run was absolutely worth it and ended up being I wouldn't call it a blessing in disguise but panned out for the better you know yeah and I think to me live in your life like that you just will never [ __ ] go wrong you know I'm not Tony Robbins but you know to me like if you if you take that approach of taking that pregnant pause before you make any big decisions say you know what's what's the biggest bang for the for the buck like what's the big impact you're gonna have and what's the [ __ ] principle behind it you know don't worry about the right this [ __ ] second monetization aspect or or anything else that it's the flash in the pan like you know quick win you know think think long game chess game long-term you know and then just [ __ ] do what's right if you if you take that approach with every life decision in my opinion like you'll be doing all right you know but yep it sounds like you take a real similar approach to things that way huh I absolutely do like I mean I actually I always for as long as I can remember I've always thought about I don't know why but I always worry about what people are gonna think of me when I'm [ __ ] dead really I do and that's surprising yeah I I know first as as I don't give a [ __ ] as you see who thought everything else I don't give a [ __ ] what they think now that I'd like I just I always [ __ ] think about that and you know not to I mean how you want people to remember you when you're dead might change you know like there was a [ __ ] time where I wanted people to remember me as the biggest [ __ ] partier that ever lived ramadhir back in seventh grade yeah but um you know but I always however I want to be remembered that's how you know but I have always been I feel very honorable and very overly honest and that's I mean and I I I follow that to Atia but I mean to me it seemed very principled which is rare and refreshing but and I think you know I think if everybody lived that way the whole world would be a far better place you know be honest be principles and I mean everybody makes mistakes I certainly you know from even from a principled standpoint I'm big on that do I do i [ __ ] up in that regard absolutely I do regularly but to me like the the goal should be to strive to live that way but it's good [ __ ] so in terms of vigilance elite what was that you know when you decided okay I'm gonna start this can you give us the synopsis on what that was like starting starting that out and in any struggles you had or what just what it was like getting it started no I'm a no it was horrible yeah yeah I started out I was just you know what I really wanted to do is teach mindset but how the [ __ ] do you do that it's you know you can no excuse me that Bailey's is [ __ ] working yeah the longer it goes on I realize that's just impossible you know you you get mindset I believe you get mindset through having experiences and if you've never had a [ __ ] experience where you've been scared shitless or thought you were going to die or you know what I mean you're never gonna be able to think like how a lot of people want to think or they pretend like they think like that but you never really I mean what you agree with that the other person I mean to me it's and the reason why I would say I don't even I wouldn't even say that I agree with it I would say that I believe that to be a fact and here's why with dogs you know their their confidence sometimes is genetic or draws off of their genetics most of a dog's confidence and then the reason I use dogs as an example is the same reason with like CBD oil or medications or whatever that one of the beauties of dogs is that they are the petri dish they are the pure guinea pig in that there is no placebo effect you can't talk them into doing something you know you can't make them think oh I'll bet the supplements gonna make me [ __ ] huge like it either [ __ ] works or it doesn't you know it's a very face value incredibly back black and white and that's that's one of the things that I value most about working with dogs day-in day-out is is that is that everything is really [ __ ] contrasted and and where their confidence generally comes from just like with kids to is is building them building that confidence and exposing them calculatedly to certain stressors and you're raising that threshold for their ability to take it you know and to me with people that's that is in essence what mindset is is if you have a positive mindset of you know I'll take a bite out of this [ __ ] sandwich and I'll ask for a [ __ ] another one covered in Cholula is that you know you you get that attitude from being faced with adversity nuttin up [ __ ] barreling your way through it and coming out on the other side okay not necessarily unscathed or you know ultimately victorious but the fact is you came out and you survived and that's what makes you confident going into the next one is you like well I know I could handle this well I know I can [ __ ] handle that then to me that's one of the neat things about dogs again is that you know we we expose them to all these different environments that are that will sketch a [ __ ] dog out you know flashbangs [ __ ] gunfire right above their head you know [ __ ] sirens while they're you know intently using their nose and super focused on an odor and all of a sudden this crazy loud [ __ ] sound distracts and whatever working through all that you don't take that dog from you know ten months old having never seen that throw them into a [ __ ] SWAT environment and expect them to do well like they're not they're gonna blow their [ __ ] anal glands and run away if you if you structure that exposure right just like with people then you can build this dog that now doesn't give a [ __ ] about anything you know and is super confident tail up over his back like a [ __ ] scorpion and will walk into the gates of hell and be like who wants it you know and man so yeah I mean to me it's it's absolutely that you know that that that mind said you know whether you want to call it confidence mindset attitude you know whatever is you know that to me if you haven't been through that and you have that it's manufactured it's yeah it's a peacock feather line of [ __ ] yeah so the I I couldn't agree more so in that so you you realize like will [ __ ] you can't teach that so you got to put people through it to teach them that or they're well now I don't do that and actually when I was just just hearing what you were just saying that's exactly how I [ __ ] teach you know and I this way off topic I can oh such thing on the my craft of everything is on topic you know one of the so whatever I Flitz fast what's fast forward I guess I what I one thing that I I saw was a [ __ ] huge gap in the training is you got these guys with this tremendous amount of experience coming out and they're teaching people and mixed in with the [ __ ] posers yeah and but what does everybody [ __ ] do they all think that they're [ __ ] clients are like going to take [ __ ] Fallujah down to that you know and and I mean for [ __ ] sakes I've seen people run a handgun course and for the first time ever somebody's shooting a handgun and after lunch they're doing [ __ ] simunition [ __ ] yeah and I'm like what in the [ __ ] are you you know I'm just and they everybody there's this huge push for undue stress well basically what you were just saying with the dogs is you add a little at a time yeah if you over if you push too much [ __ ] stress onto your client you're immediately gonna shut them down and then the learning process is completely done bill and probably forever yeah you know cuz people are already scared shitless of you because you're a [ __ ] seal they're scared shitless of the gun because it goes bang real loud and it kills people yeah you know and and you act like a [ __ ] [ __ ] and you push too much stress on him that it shut down so I mean what I really pay attention - is I'll only add I'll add a little stress at a time until I find that mark you know where they like that's all they can handle yeah and it might just be initiating the drill screaming threat yeah it might not be it might not even be that much you know and but you got a full year to slowly find that point and then and then really work with them and and make them feel comfortable you know before we even begin to and do stress yeah and off topic but I really feel like that is where I've been able one of the ways that I've really been able to separate myself from the competition is this whole the whole tough-guy [ __ ] it just doesn't [ __ ] work people don't want to [ __ ] build a Baghdad yeah what and as as prevalent of a or significant as a presence as you have on social media I'm real curious to get your your take I know what mine is pure see if yours is the same is that social media specifically Instagram you know is such a double-edged sword you know there's some unequivocably amazing [ __ ] elements to it in terms of guys like you and I being able to reach enormous audiences you know I'm not saying that I know everything or that you do or whatever please don't take it that way and it's like were the only ones that deserve a platform no [ __ ] that's not what I'm saying however is that you get it kind of in in touching on what you just talked about the the internet tough-guy [ __ ] and whatever is that Instagram is its own worst enemy especially when it comes to I see it in dog videos all the [ __ ] time like protection dog or you know police SWAT military high speed bite work type [ __ ] and I see it all the time and shooting stuff is that you know people they'll see somebody do something right and they'll be like that's what I need to be doing not realizing that there's three [ __ ] years of really basic [ __ ] that took place before they got to that point and so you've got like droves of [ __ ] people doing really stupid dog training stuff that like for people that know what they're looking at you're like oh my [ __ ] god what are you doing I'm assuming it's the same way can you can you touch on that oh yeah I can't go on about this [ __ ] all [ __ ] day I mean to me it's it's like the SHOT Show crowd right like yeah most I can't stand and most of the people that show up they're like that the dog component is small I mean I'm not trying to cut you off but the the dog component is small but most of what you see there I just I look I'm like oh my [ __ ] god what are you doing yeah you know please touch on that and I'll shut the [ __ ] up for sure I mean want to you know I you see these guys and they cut they I mean like I said there's two to real deal who just because you're the real deal doesn't mean you can [ __ ] teach and then there's the [ __ ] posers out there who are teaching [ __ ] that they have they get they get creative yeah you know but like with our guys or you know like with with similar backgrounds is us there's just nobody wants to touch on fundamentals and I think part of that is some of us gets just so used to that tool ie the gun or the weapon or whatever the [ __ ] you want to call it is that you do you forget the [ __ ] fundamentals like you don't forget them but you if I ask you to teach me how to walk how the [ __ ] are you gonna do that it's like I stand up and I put one foot in front of the other like it becomes so second nature that you can you forget that it's part of the process yeah and I think guys one they don't have the patience to they don't want to teach that they want to get straight to you know CQB and simunition and all this other [ __ ] and three I think a lot of guys aren't comfortable in their own skin yeah and so they portray this [ __ ] tough-guy [ __ ] because that's what they they're so used to they feel like I can you know you see a lot of this my fiancé calls it funnest for [ __ ] and it's I mean I must be able to see because I loved it but um you know they can't break that and it completely shuts everybody down and and man I'm like way off topic here I know no but and then the guys that that does attract are the [ __ ] phonies yeah you know and I wind up believing around I [ __ ] fire those clients yeah you know I get the guys that those big Preppers right yeah they want to spend [ __ ] $100,000 I have some high-end clients I want to spend a hundred [ __ ] thousand dollars on guns and ammo and night vision and this and that and I'm like can you [ __ ] run to the mailbox over there and get the mail for me and they can't even [ __ ] do it that's like yeah you are you're a hell of a proper man up but you're gonna get it like get the you know it's not my people you know that's not I want to train the person that wants to learn the fundamentals and wants to work their way up to to that stuff but God's honest truth most of the people that are interested in learning the fundamentals are comfortable in their own skin yeah they don't want to be a [ __ ] operator yeah they want to be a doctor or a lawyer or a [ __ ] business guy or whatever and those are the people that I reach because it [ __ ] cuts all the [ __ ] oh yeah they're not you know asking me what holster I'm learn and and and you can cut all that [ __ ] nonsense out get straight to teach it and then because you're relating so well well the whole better relationship is gonna happen and yeah I mean well so that leads me to a question that I mean I I know how I feel about it but I'm curious to get your take is that you know I don't get asked near I'm sure what you do in terms of what gun I'm running or what am oh I like or what holster what [ __ ] grip or sights or whatever you know is that a ghost trigger what like what you know to me like there's an element of fundamentals and basics that has to take place with everybody for them to have enough experience to have a personal preference yeah you know is that like if you're coming to me then again like I'm sure mine is a there's a fraction of a percentage in terms of what you get approached with but it's like you know go take a few courses ghosts you know put a few thousand rounds downrange to understand what you like what you don't like it there's so many factors and variables that are gonna dictate what you like or don't like or what's good for you in the situation you're gonna be carrying a gun in or utilizing it is that there isn't a [ __ ] blanket answer I mean it's a lot of that way with some some elements of dog training is that is that your take on that or what do you think yeah no you're exactly right and people have a tendency to overthink everything like I'm just gonna try to think of an example to work with uh with the training is I don't know if I'm gonna go what kind of treats should I use yeah I don't know dude it's a [ __ ] treat use a treat yeah you know what I mean like they like cheese steak [ __ ] dog bones whatever pig ears like whatever it's a [ __ ] it's a reward you're missing the whole thing here it's a reward doesn't matter what kind of [ __ ] reward it's a reward yeah and well and for dogs it I mean it depends on the dog I mean there's dogs that don't give a [ __ ] about hot dogs and there's other dogs that'll take your [ __ ] thumb off if you have a liver treat you know it's like but it's the same with people it's like you know for some people that you know as much as I like a Glock 19 like there's some people [ __ ] hate them that just can't run them and they don't like them they don't work well for them and that's fine yeah you know I think it's it's there's a lot of parallels there but um I think I think and I mean I I just my answer is always simple it's like get a [ __ ] Glock 19 it's a great starter gun you know if you don't like that get a Sig if you don't like that get a Smith & Wesson I mean yeah stick with a company that's built a reputation now if you have the guy over there that works for I don't know Ozark brand tactical he's making his [ __ ] out of his garage and he says it's you know that's probably not what you want you know these those three brands I just named I could give two shits which one you pick they're all [ __ ] good they'll work and you know just and and and save the aftermarket [ __ ] for later when you figure out why the [ __ ] you even want any of that crap yeah which I don't but and you know like I think that I don't think I know this whole brand ambassador [ __ ] promo code sponsor horse like I think that is confused almost everybody in the [ __ ] market yeah on L on not just in the gun industry but in every industry because you have all these social media [ __ ] celebrities or whatever the hell you want to call it and it's like use these sites use this like it's [ __ ] sites dude it gives a [ __ ] like I could throw Trijicon up right like the Nightside so I could throw tragic on up a [ __ ] night-vision Ameri glow whatever I could throw 20 [ __ ] sites up take the names off imma give them to you are you gonna be able to pick which one you know what I mean like who gives a [ __ ] dude it's a sight it glows in the dark yeah there you go yeah yeah I mean who gives a [ __ ] what I don't even know what [ __ ] brand I have yeah well I think you know shooting golf [ __ ] baseball you know whatever sport or skill set that you're talking about where you're using a tool [ __ ] for that matter guitar playing yeah you know you hand Tiger Woods a [ __ ] $19 used set of goodwill goodwill shitty [ __ ] clubs guess what he can still rock and roll it's still gonna whip your ass at golf yeah you know you go into a pawn shop and get a [ __ ] $60 piece of [ __ ] [ __ ] you know Pony model 20 year old Fender Stratocaster that's been beat to [ __ ] hand it to kirk hammett he'll string it up and [ __ ] slay your ass with it yeah and to me like guns it's the same thing like you know people get so wrapped around the axle inand you don't see it as much in dogs me do see some of it with this training vest and these [ __ ] e collars or this you know [ __ ] tactical vest or this crater you know whatever I mean there certainly are some some good products versus not because it's a it's a different animal no pun intended with the dog and it has to work and you know the dog is gonna let you know if it does or not but there is even still some elements of that in this but I mean to me the the bottom line is I think shooting is as good of an example as any is that you know there is an element of expertise and fundamentals that if you have that the tool is almost irrelevant you know yeah can you give us the kind of a 30-second pitch on vigilance elite in terms of like I've never met you what do you do for a living can you like explain to the to the listener slash viewer what what you're all about well I do I didn't honestly I don't even have a 30-second spill but what I do is they do very exclusive tactical training primarily private lessons and private groups I'm also a marketing I mean I just happen to be good at it so another thing I really like to do is I like to find guys that are that are coming out of the out of the community trying to start something that maybe need a little exposure and I got a lot of [ __ ] exposure yeah so I can go and kind of showcase a business and get them like launched yeah you know in front of everybody yeah it does that consulting thing kind of turned into a passion years I [ __ ] love it you know you know and one thing that sucks is people like I've never taken a [ __ ] payment you know what I mean like I do this [ __ ] because I want to [ __ ] help people you know I like helping people yeah I've helped a lot of people that never really [ __ ] appreciated it and that sucked and then you got the audience it's like he's [ __ ] getting paid that I'm not getting paid to do [ __ ] you know the name I'm paying to [ __ ] do that that I pay for that foam core I pay for their [ __ ] flights I pay for my flight I take I I take time off from training where I'm not making money to go and showcase Jeff read frozen Trident or you know what I mean and because I want to see good people succeed I really do and I wish there could be a way to get paid for that but uh there isn't well I've got there's this affiliate code program I'd like use micromo big dick 15 15 percent off back to the the vigilance part of it do you I know you just you see moved to Tennessee and you bought a [ __ ] bad-ass property you're gonna put a range on is that gonna change it won't can you talk about that and - will that change you opening it up to maybe running courses or broadening your horizon in terms of who you teach or is it you know you're gonna keep it pretty [ __ ] low-level high-end client type I'm gonna keep it I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it very exclusive so that's just what I like doing and one thing I have learned in the business world is if you don't like what the [ __ ] you're doing you're not gonna be any good at it so as soon as I start getting bored or something I've I do I move and right now what I like doing is I like training people that are really they want to [ __ ] learn and they're dedicated yeah to do on it and not not looking for the you know the [ __ ] dough fake Preppers yeah you know that are shown up with their body armor falling off of them and their [ __ ] helmet sideways and I don't even wear body armor or helmet you know that's that's for that's for another route that I don't want to [ __ ] be in yeah I want to be in and people that are serious that want to [ __ ] defend themselves and know that it's you know they want they're willing to pay to get the one-on-one yeah and so anyways the property is a hundred nine acres and it's gonna it's got a cabin on it's gonna be extremely comfortable place to learn I'll shoot all my a lot of my videos there it will be shooting next to a [ __ ] waterfall yeah I'm a Swedish bikini team in you have them in the waterfall yep but it won't be like this elaborate big training facility like [ __ ] Blackwater that's not a comfortable learning environment that's a [ __ ] ton of bays with a bunch of [ __ ] people blowing [ __ ] up and shooting Tanner right now if this will be one or two ranges that are [ __ ] immaculate and very just a really calm quiet relaxing place to learn how to do that and how to how to protect yourself yeah and and then another another thing that I want to do with it is I want to give a marketing platform to guys because I mean not to sound [ __ ] copy but I can cocky but I can [ __ ] I can market yeah and I want to create a package where I can [ __ ] help launch guys you know be like come out here I have the film crew I have the brains that's immaculate you're not shooting into some [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] dirt mound of weeds you know what I mean coming out of it and and fifty people in the bay next year taking a course it'll be and I had you know I'm I'm good at the production stuff yeah and I can take a guy give him subjects suggestions give him the film crew get the editing done all that [ __ ] and then when he leaves there's your package this how you use it yeah and hopefully we'll see some some guys coming out with some better success rates because I know it you know as much as I I mean they are my [ __ ] competition but I'm not really threatened by anyone I guess but I think too you know you're there's a little bit of apple and oranges there and that you know like you you're doing what you're doing but the the the marketing consultation piece I think you know and we'll talk more about it I'm sure afterwards it's not to bore everybody but to me like that's its own entity business entity in and of itself that is probably worth exploring but what what does the next couple of years look like for you just building both of those two things out is there anything else in the mix apparel I actually believe it or not I want to do apparel so I got some flannels coming out and probably gonna look a lot similar the small number Jack elite yeah but I'm gonna hit the apparel hard and I know not everybody can afford my services so what I am gonna do is I'm actually gonna make an online training instructional course that's broken up into quick down and dirty no [ __ ] no fluff with a little bit of humor in it segments on how to [ __ ] on fundamentals of shooting yeah and for you ATD [ __ ] out there they'll be like five minute segments or less probably so it's not you're not sitting there watching [ __ ] some fat [ __ ] turd go on for four hours on how to [ __ ] load a handgun it'll be like boom this I do it throw some humor in it boom it'll be extremely affordable and they'll they'll all be on the website yeah so that's that's gonna happen and I can't wait till this job what [ __ ] comes out yeah well so speaking of that I'm curious but I didn't realize that you had a hand in that could what [ __ ] tell us about that that's badass it was uh I went out and trained I didn't sue my YouTube thing kind of like that was an accident I didn't you know I started I just got to give you a little back store to lead up to it but the only reason I started doing YouTube videos is to answer [ __ ] questions because I get um I can't stand sitting behind the computer and answering emails yeah so I was like I had a great idea I'll make a video that explains what I do and then nobody will have any more questions right wrong so anyways one of the videos was an EDC pocket dump because everybody I should write I've been a hundred times a day somebody asked me what kind of gun I'm carrying so I met a DC that wound up getting 3.3 million views I called out Tarrant tactical mag extenders than that because it helps me get a full grip on my Glock 43 next thing you know you got a Cadillac wrapped and Tarrant met mag extender [ __ ] advertisements showing up in your driveway yeah and I got invited to go down there and that was like oh you wanted to send me some [ __ ] I was like dude I don't need any stuff I'm I think he got a great product and I'm more than happy to support it you know and I don't like talking to people that was my way to get the [ __ ] off messenger and like yeah and they're like well why don't you come down here make some videos fast forward I wind up down there there's a stunt girl trying out for uh I think it was the Call of Duty game and being Taryn were in the middle of making a video he's like hey Jean can you train her name was Cecilia and broom Clarence and I'm like I didn't really want to [ __ ] do it at all but I was like yeah [ __ ] it man I can do it you know then I'm like hey how long do you have she's like about three hours I was like ah and she's no problem she goes and it takes an hour to get there and I'm like holy [ __ ] man you know and so I hand her a nm for like an airsoft one I think it was and shouldn't even know how to hold it but know how to load it doesn't know where the safety is nothing I'm like oh my god you want me to [ __ ] teach you how to [ __ ] clear a room and you don't even know how to like where the safety is on this thing so I taught her how to hold it it was a fake gun so it doesn't matter you know what I mean and taught her how to hold it and I just [ __ ] top weapons flow that's it how to [ __ ] cross the threshold I'll be [ __ ] damned she went to her audition and the [ __ ] stunt coordinator goes where the [ __ ] did you learn that oh [ __ ] I've never seen anybody audition like that come in here and wither I mean was like where the [ __ ] did you got the part and where the [ __ ] you are oh [ __ ] yeah after like an hour and a half yeah and I didn't know tear until he's like 8 remember that girl you trained yesterday and I was like yeah he goes she got the [ __ ] part and I was like no [ __ ] well that's badass like I was like [ __ ] yeah man that's [ __ ] cool it was like holy [ __ ] yeah and told me what they said couple days later he's like hey Keanu Reeves is coming out here to train for John Luke 3 do you think you could show him that and I was like yeah [ __ ] I don't care man whatever you know I don't really get starstruck or I don't know and I'm to be honest with you I'm not even him I've never even seen the movies you know it's just like what was your name again yeah it's like yeah sure man whatever yeah so uh next day she shows up and say John you're on deck here we go and what kind of guy was he I've heard a lot of good things about him like him being almost the anti celebrity in terms of how he carries himself and talks to people what was your your experience like with him I would say that's that's accurate I mean with that being said I didn't have like a little [ __ ] session you know I was just like well I'm here to train this [ __ ] guy I didn't get paid for it by the way but you're welcome I'm here yeah you're welcome but I was like I'm here to train this guy so it was pretty much strictly business but when he showed up he like I met him you know and he's just like I'm like hey what's up dude I'm Sean and he's like it's a beautiful day like let's just find a weirdo yeah you're goddamn right it is go get your [ __ ] butt so anyways and after that man it was pretty much strictly business but uh I wasn't expecting that I was thinking it was gonna be some [ __ ] prima donna [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah I've heard the exact opposite from a lot of people that you know he lives way under his means and and just a super down-to-earth cool dude I am curious I've seen some videos and I have to ask you maybe you know maybe you don't I've seen a couple of videos of him on ranges I don't know if that's where you're at and teach him then maybe it was before then but there was some discrepancy as to whether or not it had been sped up or if he was that that fast from your experience and seeing him to in helping teach him I'm assuming he was already at a fairly competent level compared to maybe what you were expecting cuz he's already done it for two movies and all the [ __ ] matrix [ __ ] and me he's done a lot of those types of movies so what did what was your initial impression of his competency in terms of gun handling and it is he as competent as he looks in some of the videos I've seen with him he is yeah you know um like for real like you give him a loaded gun and say this is what like you can do let me refill answer that then I have a follow-up question okay well I did not actually when I was with him we never fired around we took the bolt out of the [ __ ] m4 and ran with some those little cert pistols yeah because I was just teaching I mean wouldn't you know there wasn't a kill house so it was kind of like a makeshift [ __ ] doorway but um I did the same thing it was weapons flow but yeah he can [ __ ] shoot and I can tell by the way he moves and engaged and I mean in his the questions that he were was asking were like very relevant yeah so he definitely [ __ ] knows his way around yeah an ar-15 and a enough and a Glock yeah not it no doubt okay can you go into the quote unquote weapons flow like what what exactly that entails for the listener like what you were teaching him and the lady and and we'll just kind of what the gist of that is yeah I mean basically what I was teaching him is clearing the room clearing a house like um as a as an individual as an individual which actually I'm a resident expert on because at CIA you're not running in a team yeah you know so we had to do a lot of that and so yeah it was basically two-man room clearances and I mean going through doorways you know like you know breaking down and coming back up and and mid gun and all that kind of [ __ ] are you doing like pie in quarters and yep don't dynamic and and I just had a brain fart yeah whatever the [ __ ] they call the other ones but yeah dynamic and I can't [ __ ] static now would it I can't even remember but yeah basically violence action versus slow and methodical yeah and we did both scenarios with both rifle and pistol and and yeah I mean he was into it he was very engaged yeah I know it's impossible to know you know what a guy's [ __ ] sack is like unless you've had it either a in your hand or you've gone to war with him but I'm curious from going through the selection with the CIA your time and the teams etc do you think like [ __ ] hits the fan like legit like you could count on that guy or as impossible answer just because of the the nature of the [ __ ] training was so fake I mean that was impossible to answer you know but what does your gut tell you I think if he wanted to do it I think you would be good because he was he was very he was extremely attentive and when I released the videos you'll see that well he he was genuinely interested and what I had to put out which makes me teach better you know when you can tell your client or whatever you want to call him is is very engaged and and is enjoying what you're putting out then your it gives you that warm and fuzzy that's like old man I'm gonna make you [ __ ] real good yeah and and he wanted to keep going he was supposed to learn some shotgun [ __ ] after like after that and he was like I want to stick with this yeah and so that was pretty [ __ ] cool yeah that's [ __ ] bad-ass have you kept in touch with him at all since or now I didn't even want to like you know I mean with a guy like that I'm not trying to [ __ ] kiss anybody's ass and I know he's got everybody under the Sun trying to fondle his [ __ ] balls you know I'm just like hey man I was pleasure to meet you [ __ ] good luck with the movie and if I see you again that will if I don't know then I don't so yeah see you around yeah maybe but it sounds like overall is a pretty good experience though huh yeah I was cool man have you done more that work for other actors or you stick more to just the high-end clients I just stick with the high-end clients and you know I don't live in LA and I don't have a range out there and I got a feeling that he's probably a one of a kind yeah you know cuz I've I was enough [ __ ] yeah I don't and I don't do well with teaching [ __ ] [ __ ] so so I fire him yeah what part of Tennessee are you in like where how far is it from say Nashville 45 minutes oh no [ __ ] yeah right the [ __ ] outside then yeah I'm at Franklin okay so well [ __ ] that's I mean that there I can only imagine that with the amount of Fame in country music and it seems like a lot of people or [ __ ] move in there you know outside of the country music realm just more like a list [ __ ] are almost going in droves to [ __ ] Nashville it seems like the scares the [ __ ] hell out of me yeah yeah I'm gonna be [ __ ] every time I [ __ ] meet another person from California I'm like God great here we got a little LA and you know it's it's good good to hear all that [ __ ] I'm [ __ ] really really stoked on the success you've had before we start to kind of wrap it up one thing I do want to ask is from a second amendment standpoint broaching into the political side for just a minute school shootings is a huge [ __ ] hotbed topic that gets a lot of attention even though percentage-wise like it's you know a blip on the [ __ ] radar in terms of how many people you know get get killed outside the realm of natural causes but I'm still curious to get your take people ask you know what is the solution to that what what is your take on that I think they need training they arm but don't get me wrong I don't think they need gun training I think they need you know they think they do [ __ ] plan and I might I might bite my words for saying this but I don't think [ __ ] arming teachers is the answer I don't think teaching kids how to [ __ ] do tourniquets as an answer or teach him like any fighting I mean I just think that there are a lot of people with our background that are [ __ ] coming into these schools and they're trying to teach all this and I don't realize it is a [ __ ] it's a kid you're talking - that's a [ __ ] that's a teacher man you know what I mean they're not a war fighter they don't want to be a war fighter and you give people guns that don't need guns bad [ __ ] happens you know it can be more I think there could be more harm than good with that I think they need to learn [ __ ] like what is a fatal funnel don't stand in a [ __ ] doorway you know or just come up with a plan you know like I just I don't think guns is the answer yeah I really don't I don't think tactical training is the answer yeah I think if they're gonna you know spend the money on arm and teachers and I mean you know arming teachers I mean you know how like II you know how it is you you don't use it you lose it and yeah a teacher that doesn't want a [ __ ] gun is not gonna practice or know what the [ __ ] they're doing when the time comes yeah you know and you can't make somebody learn something they don't want to learn well I mean to me the the ultimate reality of that is that you you again I use dogs as an example or even guys like us is that it's like saying okay there's two hundred dudes that show up at Budds all 200 of them need to graduate yeah like that's not gonna happen like well make it happen well you can't [ __ ] make it happen you know teaching teachers and kids and and administrative staff and all of that you know how to handle a [ __ ] hell-bent [ __ ] hopped up on non psychotropic drugs [ __ ] [ __ ] goon you know trying to get into a school and cause mass carnage like yeah I agree with you I mean to me the the simple answer at least not delving into the the societal issues of what's creating people that are willing to go do that that's a whole nother [ __ ] episode frankly but to me that the simple answer the the cheapest fastest and most I would say manageable [ __ ] motive of staving off these types of attacks is frankly fencing you know is as much of a hotbed topic as the border wall is I mean people that say that walls don't work I want a [ __ ] punch in the face it mean to me if you if you put a fence a similar a fencing system similar to what is around [ __ ] prisons around every [ __ ] school like well I don't want to [ __ ] make our schools look like prisons toughs yet like would you rather have them be shot up yeah you know to me having not one way in one way out but two ways you know one one on a backside of a building and one on a frontside or one on sides whatever is that you can put the building between the two entrances and exits there's enough of a standoff to where you know if somebody pulls up in truck unless it's a [ __ ] Ryder van with 4000 pounds of explosives then you're [ __ ] either way but have enough of a standoff to where it's not three feet from the [ __ ] building again similar to a prison and you've got one gate on one side and one gate on the other side that's [ __ ] open during bringing students in and there's people there [ __ ] making sure the flow of who's coming in and out is is secure yeah and once everybody's in it's [ __ ] locked if the building burns down there's enough dead space to where you can get out you know and be outside of the school not [ __ ] be burned alive to me that that is the answer you know I mean that that's gonna stop [ __ ] 99% of those people like can you drive a [ __ ] vehicle through through some of them yeah you know but it did severely I think limits the amount of [ __ ] people if you've got fence with [ __ ] rows of concertina wire at the top of it and it's you know heavily reinforced with big drill pipe type [ __ ] posts every [ __ ] six feet or whatever that in and of itself is gonna stop most anybody that wants to try to get in there you know and it's been it's relatively simple cost-effectiveness it's still cheaper than hiring two dudes for a year yeah you know after parkland happened I've reached out because I I actually have like a whole thing ready yeah and I was like hey man I called you know the superintendent the [ __ ] School Board blah blah blah and loved him nobody wanted to take me up I was like I will give it to you for free yeah I was like but you know what mike is like nobody wants to address a [ __ ] problem what they want to do is they want to [ __ ] use this [ __ ] for their political [ __ ] agenda or blame somebody and it's like look and I sent an email I did a mass email actually and it was talking it was like here's what we know put your political agenda [ __ ] aside what the [ __ ] are you going to do right now to [ __ ] make your school safe it can't be construction you can't [ __ ] do a fence it's got to go through approval somebody's got to approve the funding bellow blah I have a [ __ ] thing I can give you right [ __ ] now nothing what's the what's the gist of that can you I'm gonna put it in a book about Italy but dumb yeah so to be continued yeah yeah that's good [ __ ] I mean I you know to me that proactivity is his number one like you got to do something about it you know yeah you can't [ __ ] bury your head in the sand just hope hope [ __ ] goes away but yeah we could talk about that all [ __ ] day what so what we've talked a little bit about what what you're doing moving forward anything else that you can add in terms of what what you've got going on what you can advertise for yourself and ultimately where people can find you I mean the only other thing we got going on is uh other than what we talked about before is I'm gonna start switching up the videos and it'll be more stuff out of the gun world than in the gun world to be honest I'm really trying to get on this program that these guys are fighting these sex traffickers mm-hmm and I really want to promote them I'm just we're kind of talking about it hopefully it happens I don't know but anyways people you can find me at vigilance elite or at Sean Ryan 762 on Instagram but vigilance elite across the board so if people listen and wanna come new private lessons with you what's the best way to to get to get a whole day either for private lessons or any of the things that you're offering marketing or whatever any any of the things that we've talked about the best way is to go to the website vigilance elite com email through the website my assistant I'll get it and then she will get you on the schedule if you hit me through Instagram or vigil and salute our Instagram or Facebook or No Deal or anything else I just I mean I'd love to say I could get to you but you know I mean you know how it is there's so many messages it's [ __ ] impossible to answer them all so I may I may not I really want an answer you got an email through the website oh yeah amen anything else that that you want to share before we start to wrap it up here I just want to say you're a really good-looking mother tell me something I don't know John thanks for having me the first time I've heard that actually as if it was a real pleasure no I did I appreciate you coming down here I know you're busy as [ __ ] and especially on the heels of Scottie where it's respect rest in peace to him and his family and you know the fact that he made time to come down right after that as it means a lot to me and the listeners and everybody so I appreciate the hell out of you coming thank you before we wrap it up wrapping up couple housecleaning things I want to mention real quick you know I'm gonna do it if you're listening watching on YouTube the Tri Coast CBD oil comes in human flavors now it's 500 milligram you've got the key lime pie for full spectrum and the lemon lime fries let both of them taste good enough to where I would put it in my own ass what anyway it's good stuff we do also have the chicken liver and 200 milligram and it's [ __ ] great go to try Co supplements con to check it out all the benefits are on there I'm not gonna drone on about it but there's a host of them use them on the dogs here I use it myself and it's great [ __ ] a couple other things that are coming up as always if you have a dog go to team dog pet and sign up for the online training people ask all the time how they can help support or what can I do that that's the best way go there get it if you have a dog pull your head out of your ass it's 99 bucks for a year unlimited it's a total resource there's forums there's vet stuff we've now got a certification program where you can get basic obedience advanced obedience is coming soon behavioral modification and the true foundations course as well as in the next probably month or so or by this errors that may even be out by then but first canine first aid and canine CPR certifications will be available on the website I encourage you if you are a lag Walker a rover employee you work at a shelter you dog sit or you're just a good [ __ ] dog owner that doesn't want to see your dog have some shitty happen to it I encourage you to take those courses and get certified it's a good feather in the cap and that's across the board that's all the certifications one thing that I'm also excited to announce we're going to be doing a trek goes trainer certificate the other ones are are for each of the courses this one is an all-encompassing actual certification for try Coast trainer that's coming down the pipe real soon so be on the lookout for that tri Coast training franchises are gonna be opened up real [ __ ] soon we've already gotten a ton of people asking for info on that I encourage you to just well you know we'll announce it on social media when it actually drops and be able to send you a licensee franchise contract here very soon but for those of you that want to get involved in that just be on the lookout for that we have the Tri Coast collar and leash combo that's gonna be coming through Ray Allen comm that should be available by the time this is airing again Ray Allen calm try Cosley streiko scholar super overbuilt really good ship product that we developed with working dog dry goods a couple years ago and now Ray Allen is manufacturing it the way that they do really well we've got tests and dog food and dog treats coming out of Muenster it'll be dehydrated food and treats there's specific formula that I developed with them that will be available real real shortly and a few other things as well we've got the Tri Coast crate which should be out also by the time this airs which is with the code of 283 the trichomes crate that is one that I developed with him over the last couple years as well that I'm actually really excited about it it's a crate that if you have a dog buy this [ __ ] crate because the dog can't get out of it and we've all had the ass heaters that eat their way or pull the door out of a [ __ ] metal wire crate or whatever this crate is built for the military in terms of the spec with which it's [ __ ] overbuilt is pretty pretty impressive so I encourage you to check that out any other products that I'm missing were you heard it folks no other products that I'm missing so um as always I want to thank Sean our guest for coming it's a I'm always humbled at the the willingness for the caliber of guests that we have to come here I really appreciate you spending the time last but certainly not least you the listener choke yourself there I threw it in there thank you sincerely for all the support that you give us the popularity or success or you know magnitude with which I am humbled frankly by the show of support for you guys listen and episode after episode and getting all the feedback on iTunes and whatever is really [ __ ] humbling it really is and I know a lot of people say that they don't really mean it I truly mean that I I would never have guessed in a million years that that I'd be sitting in this position to be given a platform to be able to interview awesome men like Sean and other Patriots for this country and people with amazing stories and be able to bring that to you guys in the manner in which we do and I am truly forever grateful to be able to do that for you guys so thank you for forgiving me the opportunity to do that on that note thanks for everything I look forward to seeing you next time and until that next time this is you [Music]

Channel: Mike Ritland

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Length: 167min 50sec (10070 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 12 2019