Michael Bay's Ninja Turtles - Caravan of Garbage

welcome back everybody to caravanic average where we're gonna do two movies two Ninja Turtles movies that's right what many people consider to be some of the last live-action Ninja Turtles movies I mean you're not wrong you're not wrong in a one equals one kind of sense you're absolutely correct there James they are some of them iconic is what you're looking to say are they iconic they came out I would say that's stretching the definition but I think these days if a movie does come out it's automatically considered iconic probably right it's true and this video came out that's worthy of leaving a like so these are commonly referred to as the Michael Bay Ninja Turtles movies right he didn't direct them no but he produced them yes okay and they have his stink on them don't they they do a bit absolutely you can smell it yeah you can smell it you can almost touch it you go oh spinning around too much spinning why is everyone so glossy yeah but only the good looking people I don't know what's going on here so we're gonna do Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles no subtitle yeah we're gonna do Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Out of the Shadows yeah now I had only seen Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Out of the Shadows I've seen it at the cinemas yeah and then you were like we're gonna watch these and I'm like I should watch the first yeah watch it and so I did and then I'm like oh I have seen this have you forgot it which I think is uh is uh it's iconic it's iconic I think that's the perfect word for it yeah I feel like there is something to like or even love about every Reincarnation of the turtles and this is this is included in that basically all right like you've got the original comic which is like a gritty Daredevil kind of parody situation the original cartoon has like a broader child-friendly appeal which obviously shot it off into the stratosphere the original movies were diminishing returns but I still maintained the first one is like an excellent comic book movie and these ones you've got Michelangelo and he's horny for April O'Neil and it's real creepy and I think that's iconic it is Iconic actually there's a live action Series in the 90s which is pretty terrible the Next Mutation yeah yeah but there's a 2003 animated series which is great I really like and I only recently saw this because my son got into it the 2012 3D series rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is very just good and cool I like that a lot I like the look of it the movie's really terrific as well the thing about this one is if we could talk about the design okay I like the uniqueness of them how different they look it's a little busy I've got here they have too much kibble on them yeah I mean fashion designer Coco Chanel famously said before you leave the house look in the mirror and remove one accessory and I think Donatello she was looking at you stuff and did some fun collaboration so we don't really talk about it anymore but I think I think that's wise words there they've got a lot of stuff on them I agree I think some of this stuff has carried over like Donatello might have a bunch of tech on him I know we've seen that before as well he might be wearing a virtual boy on his head he might be wearing a virtual boy on his head and you know what I don't even hate that they're [ __ ] hideous like they're really hard to look at they look like they smell but here's the thing they're way too big okay here's the thing they're all six five they're too big and they're too fast yes I think if you changed one of those the whole thing would feel a lot better but like I said earlier they're spinning and jumping and yeah screaming through the sewers on their rocket skateboards or whatever yeah but if you if you made them smaller the speed would make more sense yeah or if you slowed them down then being big would make more sense but to give them both you could even break it up depending on the turtle because Raphael like now in a lot of versions he's the biggest by quite a lot and Donatello's like the skinniest Michelangelo is the shortest and there is a bit of that in this yes they are different sizes I don't know if you if you noticed but the fact that they can just run into a scene and throw a [ __ ] shipping container right that's too much it's four hulks I think they're built here I thought the reveals wasn't that bulletproof they're a bulletproof I thought the reveal was gonna be that they used like a crane yeah could have used a crang yeah but no they just gave him a big big kick I guess they're basically Invincible there's a moment later in the movie when they're doing a big action scene would you prefer one of them to die every scene just and we're four scenes in the movie they're all dead and there's no more movie It's just sad funerals and apologies like we should go to the funerals and they're like the turtles don't exist you've made up funerals in your head and then she goes to a mental institution is that what you want yeah this movie I mean some of the comics are basically that now but also in the original Ninja Turtles movie eight teenagers beat Rafael into a coma that's true we're in this one yes they're doing a big action sequence on a mountain and Rafi I was like I can't do anything my Shell's been cracked and then he just does a cannonball into a home Envy like immediately after yeah the first time we see them like properly engage in the subway Mission they just paced everything it's not like a stealthy like ninja kind of Blitz situation it's just a severe beating administered by four giant hulking creatures that's right Splinter's like what did you go out into the it's dangerous out there is it is it dangerous yeah can we talk about Splinter I'd like to talk about yeah I don't know love Tony shalu oh monk TV's monk yeah my goodness look first of all fun fact about him he loves torturing his kids doesn't he yeah he like he's like you kids have got a secret and I'm gonna put you in a room and I'm gonna make you stand in one position for 11 hours and now we're gonna pay some bills we got it we got an in movie advertisement that I gotta read right now I think uh he probably tells the turtles that they can't go above ground because you know Society wouldn't accept them I'm pretty sure actually if they they went above ground Social Services would take them away and send them to prison completely agree also here's the thing here's a question maybe you can answer this question for me James yeah why is this Splinter obsessed with Ninjutsu so I know why but you go okay so well I mean the reason is because this movie is called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and if they didn't become Ninja Turtles it wouldn't make any sense but like in the cartoon yeah the the old cartoon Splinter was a human man who's a Ninja Master and then we when he gets mutated into an ungodly rat human hybrid yeah yeah he teaches the turtles martial arts because that's his whole vibe right that's his whole deal and he's good at it and in a lot of other versions he was a rat yeah who had a master who he basically learned from yes I mean and look that is stretching credulity a little bit but you know you're absolutely exactly in the Mirage comics and in the the live action movie the new line movie he is a he is a starts as a rat and he's the pet of a Ninja Master and then when he gets mutated I guess he's like he has a vague memory of it and like yeah you know when the religion kicks in his brain like he remembers it's important and I think that makes sense but in this one he's just a common Garden variety All-American rat yeah who's just like I learned to do karate out of a book we all have to learn karate it's a real divorced advice we're gonna learn karate together and again like I said they have to shoehorn it in obviously but I think in this context it would make more sense if it was like we're all gonna have guns yeah hey kids look I found all these all these guns when somebody doesn't murder and they Chuck a gun in the sewer I've collected all the guns we're gonna be the you're gonna be the Teenage Mutant gun to have a Turtles the toys could have accessories that are like remember that remember and He-Man like there was like a Mossy guy and a smelly guy all the Ninja Turtles these are all Mossy and smelly guys all the toys could have like slimy Rusty gun accessories you know like the toxic Avengers yes exactly slash Crusade is nice yeah yeah anyways just a weird way brat I guess that's what I'm saying he's just a weeb that's what he is no people have been like well Tony shaloob isn't Japanese and whatever which look absolutely absolutely believe that if you want an actor at the very least of Asian descent right or of rat descent yeah but here's the thing this Splinter as you mentioned he's an American rat yeah he could be whatever yeah and here's the thing Mason a lot of things have been changed in this and this was Michael I name one thing oh well here we go so this was what Michael Bay said uh about in 2011 2012 when the script leaked about kind of some of the ideas that were going to happen he said fans need to take a breath and chill there's more you're too intense Ninja Turtles fans yeah be like you eight-year-old kids settle down be like the Transformers fans normal uh he said they have not read the script so it wasn't the script so it was just some ideas that leaked our team is working closely with one of the original creators of Ninja Turtles to help expand and give more complex backstory relax we are including everything that made you become fans in the first place we are just building a richer world does this feel Richard to you Mason it's very rich okay here's what happened with shredder right okay well first I was gonna say I I also my favorite part of that quote is is like we're working with one of the creators yeah was it East model Ed we'll never tell because you know all the East heads yeah yeah yeah if it turned out to be led they'd be like were they feeding at this point I don't think they've ever feuded I think they just they went separate ways they did yeah yeah yeah yeah it seems like they were just like God we're tired of overseeing this and making so much money oh God I love it when we you know get together and we stack all our money up and see which is higher but that's all we have in common these days right good on them they made bank they sure did and I love that so the thing is Eric sax is very clearly supposed to be Shredder in this yes and was in early drafts and even the initial cut of this because you see during this that when they include the original traditional Shredder yeah he's only ever in a scene with like one other person and Eric sax always leaves the room and then a big armored Iron Man Shredder appears yeah right right and he says I don't love business I only love shredding yeah by the way if we're talking too much that suit is out of control it's too much and it's it's also that Vibe of like well I don't respect him anymore because yeah if I had a big a suit that has like magnetic knives in it I could take on the Ninja Turtles as well I think I think you might I think you probably would be right it's weird because William fichner is like I'm doing mutagen and now I'm the mayor or something and I run business but also I report to a to a Japanese man in the shadows he does the shredding I don't do any shredding I do business not shredding yeah so apparently orokusaki can somewhat be directly translated like the anglinized version of it is Eric sax apparently right okay and even in the French trailer it's the same voice actor and he is the version of the Shredder in the 3DS games the shredder yeah yeah basically they made these changes for a couple of reasons two appease fans and also because they didn't want to do like a mandarin situation which had just happened you never want to do a mandarin situation also you can't have two weebs in the same movie nah because if it's Eric's sax and Splinter just two all-americans doing the look at all the stuff I've collected look at my authentic armor that I got at the mall my giant robot armor that I got one of those weird places in the mall that's got the wizard orbs and stuff you know and where's the like unique rivalry between those two I don't know it's just kind of a nonsense movie you know what else I think I think the camaraderie between the turtles it's too hectic and frantic and I don't like it that's more Transformers energy yeah it is isn't it look and honestly teenagers are annoying right you spend two hours with four any four teenagers you'd be like God if only Isle of them could die please but I feel like these guys are especially annoying but the thing is though because there's four of them and they've all got their own personalities and they all have to say something in every scene so that's the as the camera whips around yeah because at least I guess with the Transformers if one of them just you know sits there stoically and thinks about murder you're like well it's a robot whatever but all these four they have to be they're going to be doing something they're going to be doing something gotta be balancing or eating a 72 cheese pizza or whatever whatever's going on I don't mind the pairing of Megan Fox and Will Arnett I think good as any why not absolutely yeah I like both of them and like the origin of the turtles being tied into April that's been done before like none of those changes like I don't really care about that again I don't care how they change the law but if it's fun and not just like God this is kind of annoying what an annoying movie I mean it's iconic it is absolutely iconic and again as I mentioned before Mikey's real creepy towards April yeah I don't like it that's his personality I guess but I'm like look he's a teenager and April's like 30 and raised him yes so like I think if she was going to take the leap to inter-species dating she'd do it with a mutant closer to her own age you know what I mean sure like the rat so some of the outrage that I mentioned early on came from this because an early screenplay had the turtles the aliens from Dimension X I remember that yeah I think I think that was part of the I think that was part of the Michael one of those Michael Bay interviews where I'll just say anything yeah it was it was probably right after the hey Ninja Turtles fans could chill you probably went and by the way they're aliens and that also ties into it was originally just going to be called Ninja Turtles oh yeah as opposed to all the other words that go in that title iconic Ninja Turtles I agree yeah uh Shredder was also going to be an alien which he has been before that's true it's been an Ultron before and he was going to grow spikes and uh and there was going to be uh vanilla rice was going to be in it they were going to bring back vanilla rice absolutely for a second ninja rap which he has by the way he was gonna flip their house yeah so we're gonna flip some houses for the Ninja Turtle he was going to flip their sewer how do you feel about the action of this though I think the probably best sequence is the the mountain sliding bits because you can see everything and that is true they certainly jump about I'll tell you this uh I can't think nothing Springs to mind what about the end when they're on the roof and they do they do a big LeapFrog to kick Shredder in the head or whatever I mean think about that scene okay and think about the scene at the end of the original Ninja Turtles movie when they put him in a trash compact they put him in trash compactor but before that yes Shredder just he just beats them up for 15 minutes just takes it in turns yeah to just slowly beat them up that's true and that I mean there's so much more emotion and depth and the choreography is just like spectacular and you know all of those stunt men are dying in those suits literally yeah yeah yeah I just and you know it's like oh no we're gonna release the the poison cloud from sack's Tower and then what which is basically The Amazing Spider-Man thing turn everyone a little lizards or whatever so they're going to release a big poison yes and everybody would get poisoned and get sick and then Eric sacks would come out and go don't worry we have the solution for that we've got this formula which will fix you and they're not going to be like yeah but we saw the gas command of your Tower the poison gas I don't know it's just it's nothing noise like a rustling chip packet next to your ear Mason some people find that very soothing helps them go to sleep all right just a bunch of Chip packets on their pillow so it's time for Teenage trivia Mutant Ninja trivia trivia okay great this is the part where we do trivia yeah uh so as you recall and we've talked about this because we've covered all of those movies and it was those movies and you know what we're talking about you do so Megan Fox was fired from the Transformers movie yes she compared uh Michael Bay to Hitler yep and Steven Spielberg who was on it was the one of the producers of those movies did not take uh kindly to that yeah and asked for her to be removed that's right and yet on the Michael Bay producer Ninja Turtles movie she's back she returns well they've basically figured it out her and Michael Bay you know they came together and they went we're still mates and whatever and and he was like you're still Steven Spielberg can jump in a lake Yeah Yeah so basically they they just kind of cemented over that and they moved forward but here's a fun little thing Mason so when Michael Bay actually offered the role to Megan Fox who is apparently a huge fan Megan Fox off Megan Fox I hope she is a big fan of Megan Fox yeah you'd have to be right so you gotta love yourself yeah yeah come on that's what that's what I always say on drag race they say if you can't love Megan Fox how the hell are you gonna love the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles so true uh so when Michael Bay actually offered the role to Megan Fox he jokingly added a potential nude scene to a contract there we go which she accepted knowing she wouldn't have to commit to such a same because the contract also stipulated that if she went nude the Ninja Turtles would have to also go nude and they'd be full ninja turtle dong excellent stuff iconic dog now this is the part that I find really interesting about this production oh yeah it's how the four Ninja Turtles the actors who Mo capped them and some of them did the voices some didn't like Johnny Knoxville is the voice of Leonardo in this but he's not the mocap man that's interesting you'd think you'd get into that but I guess he's broken so many bars they probably couldn't get him into the market absolutely not yeah yeah and then they couldn't get him out of it it'll be the only thing holding him together uh so Raphael is actually played by Alan richson oh that's Jack Reacher that is Jack Reacher goodness that's second Jack Reacher that would explain though why the turtles are so big then yeah I guess they would have had a rotoscope at Richardson but they're all they're all not that big yeah I know like he's clearly the biggest when you see them on set so he spoke to collider a few years ago about this production and he said it is the worst production that he ever worked on from the start he didn't want to do it but it turns out that nobody wanted to do it and he eventually just was turned around on it because they were like listen you're gonna be living and breathing this role we're going to take you around the world it's going to make you a name and he thought like well this is demographic that I'm not really like I haven't really struck at the moment and they framed it like Andy circus's Golem right oh yeah okay sure sure yeah but he was like I don't know it's it's paid like next to nothing and they're like trust us so anyway he did trust us where from Hollywood just me just trust us yeah so they weren't allowed to do any press for these movies well yeah because you you don't want to see The Man Behind the turtle no no no no no but also they told people that they were refusing to do press right oh rude and because of the nature of the role that being a mocap sometimes voice role there's certain stipulations which you then don't have to work into a contract which means toilet breaks none probably so you don't get paid extra for meals you don't get lunch you don't get overtime you don't get lunch no or you can pay for your own lunch oh wow I guess wow well that's no lunch at all if there even was a lunch break one time uh after a 14-hour day the four turtles were left on set whilst every other crew member was shuttled away because their contracts and Union stipulated that if they stayed longer they'd get paid whereas the turtles you could keep them for free so that's basically how they were treated wow yeah but this did oh my bad on a budget of 150 million dollars it made 485 million dollars which is the highest unadjusted for inflation that a Ninja Turtles movie has made at the box office so you know at least somebody made out big Mason I'm glad it was Hollywood yeah me too thank goodness um but all in all I did a God I don't know man it's just just kind of a [ __ ] mess yeah I didn't it is a little bit isn't it yeah yeah I not nothing and it feels changed like you're watching it oh hashtag not my Ninja Turtles no no I mean like the movie itself is clearly conflicting Visions oh yes and also like very generous of you to say there were any Visions at all I think there was initially and clearly like oh this is what the fans want and uh this is easier and whatever oh they let's not commit to the their aliens thing let's cover up their dongs yeah God but uh look and and the end result is again like I said a movie that I watched and then immediately forgot I watched it was like better watch that so nothing jumps out again I I maybe my opinion will be different next week when we've watched the sequel yeah but I remember the sequel it just has more cool cartoony stuff in it sure and Casey Jones is also in it and he's like well I won't be a cup or whatever yeah that iconic Casey Jones line I want to be a cop he says he says yeah anyways you might want to see that video early Mason maybe I do yeah we can actually head over to sandwich.com where Ben maybe I will maybe you can oh where better Lords always get the edit done early and it goes up there but that's not the only thing there Mason what else is there there's bonus podcasts well maybe I'll listen to them there's video game Let's Play maybe I'll watch those we did some Ninja Turtles games there recently yeah that's right uh there's also movie commentaries we've got the original Ninja Turtles movie commentary up there don't we that's right yeah that'll look so a real new line classic that one yeah great karate yeah and uh of course our podcast the weekly planet where we're talking movies and comics and TV shows I'll probably skip that yeah that's fine that comes out there Sunday a day early as opposed to Monday on its own YouTube channel on Spotify and whatever where we took the movie of the week and all the news that's going on that's right what's going on we'll look at it oh look at it all right thanks everyone I grab that gem you guys we'll see you next week goodbye foreign [Music]

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Length: 20min 47sec (1247 seconds)

Published: Thu Jul 27 2023