First Ever Sit-Down with TWO Mafia Bosses - Anthony Arillotta & Bobby Luisi Talk with John Alite

and we're live uh another edition of the johnny and jean show i'm felix levine to my right we got jean john anthony bobby and paulie as our guest today um first time we've ever had two bosses on the show in studio so this is uh new for us so thank you guys for being here and uh before we get into it just want to remind uh the people listening out there to make sure that they subscribe to the youtube channel subscribe to our brand new patreon channel that's where we have all of our bonus content everything goes and gets posted there early so make sure you check it out the link is in the video uh the description of the video um gentlemen thank you uh for being here today uh i think it'd only do justice to let you guys introduce yourselves um we'll start with with anthony over here a little bit about who you are for the people out there that aren't familiar with you um i'm uh anthony from springfield mass i was raised there my whole life and uh pretty much gotten a life of crime at a young age and uh graduated uh into getting into organized crime bigger parts of it and then eventually became the boss of my area uh connecticut and mass for the uh genovese family bobby hi i'm bobby luisi i'm from boston looking to the camera and uh i was a boss up in boston um i was a cop on the philadelphia family but i was bought and raised in uh boston and they're not done in the italian section i grew up with gangsters my whole life i was ruined by them i was a proposed guy in the patriarca family and i had a falling out with them in the 90s we had a war up there you know a lot of people were getting killed up there at the time and i ended up hooking up with the philadelphia family and i went down to philly i became a copper in their family and i straightened my crew out in boston but everybody in boston were all boston guys no philly guys um i hooked up with jory molino and georgie borghese in philadelphia good guys you know and i was running everything up in boston in the 90s and i got picked up in 99 and since then i became a christian and a pastor and wrote a few books and uh that's what i'm doing right now and pretty much that's that's my story beautiful and paulie just for i'm paul tanzo uh once convicted murderer i guess the best way to say it uh luisi family loyalist and last basically of the um loyal soldiers yeah bobby yeah so i guess i'll start off i mean john gene you know how when did you guys first kind of connect or know of each other hear about each other um i guess from the past life and also today i'll let you take it away john uh well me and anthony know each other from uh the uh 90s actually so we had the communication through mutual friends the whole way through and stayed in touch with each other with bobby uh we have also had mutual friends we didn't have direct contact in street business but we had mutual friends sending uh different uh messages and different things that went on over the years uh through streets through crime now for for you anthony and bobby i mean growing up did you guys know uh that this was the life that you were gonna go i mean was it um you know inevitable that you would one day end up working in organized crime i mean for me i was uh we always grew up with a mafia presence in our area um back in the 70s and 80s people don't understand that what the mafia was it was a uh second form of government it was um bigger than life if if you told us and i'm sure in europe growing up they we could meet the uh president or uh senator or you know a big-time business owner or a or a mafia boss we would pick the mafia boss um it was just part of our life growing up mafia was spoken all of our households and it was something that you know it was mysterious the our family would be like uh i don't want you to be like them but they will respect them so it was kind of like it drew you to them and then once you get old you know you start to get older you start realizing you see them uh driving nice cars i'm dressed nice getting respect so it's kind of you know it draws you in it's kind of like you want to be part of this mysterious secret society you know you want to know more about it and then i guess growing up you just you grow up you were wild were wise guys you know you know um just wild kids growing up so that kind of gravitates towards the uh mafia life they look for you know young kids that are you know that are wild and like trouble and um you know we hung around a little gang of us and we uh went out and kind of like terrorized the city as young kids you know always fighting different uh groups as young kids and you know they look all the kids too yeah and they look at us and they see uh you know these kids are you know and they kind of like uh they start grooming us towards that type of life and in my case my family had a uh a successful uh produce business so it was kind of like uh i could have went that route which and or the streets and i chose the streets because you know my family was my father was a hard-working guy never involved in any of the uh organized crime rackets and uh he worked hard and it was a business that he uh he worked hard and he did it and it was something like not for me and uh and i remember just uh you know just starting hitting the streets around 15 selling some drugs you know and making money and i just kind of that's when i hit the streets and i liked it i loved the action i loved uh hustling every day making money um you know and i just that was just it was just in me i loved it and then you graduate obviously you start hanging around you start being on record with uh the wise guys come up and uh you know i see a talent in you and they want you to put you on record with them meaning they want you uh with them and uh you start earning with them and start you know doing things with them violence giving guys um beaten when it comes to it you know you know to that and um you start earning and then it keeps getting further along until they want you to shoot someone um and then eventually they propose you to be a member and then you end up getting made into the family and you're uh in the mafia now this idea of grooming um like you i think you you said um and you guys have probably all experienced it at some point what is it like to be kind of groomed into the mafia as a young kid well i don't believe that it's something that uh it happens over a course of time and i'll give you for myself for instance my father was a gangster so i grew up a gangster since i was a young kid 11 years old i used to work for the angelo family in boston i used to do the dime machines on the saturday the vendor machines you know i was always around it i was always around wise guys made guys copos and you know they tell you when to talk when not to talk you start learning right away you have to observe that's the old school that i come from because i came up with old timers which is a lot different than some young guys that came up and anthony and johnny had that opportunity too and from what i've seen from the life you know i was 16 17 and i was doing carpentry after school and i loved it and that's what i wanted to do so i started pulling away myself from them you know they had us do a few things i did a few things for them i'm not going to say what those guys are still around you know but eventually i didn't want to be a gangster i didn't want him to do it and i got into development i had a construction company 20 years old two builders licensed and i was happy and content you know in the late 80s uh the market crashed down the cape of matasvin it was building houses down there right yeah i don't know beautiful area yeah 50 100 homes down there making money then one day i got up i didn't have a job two kids go back to boston the only other thing i knew to do was put a gun on so around 1990 they got back into it and there was a wall that broke up so i had to slide into that you know it's sad in this life because you know it's glorified it's something to walk with these guys the money they had the cars the the houses i mean you're impressed by it but being a young kid watching that i see when it was really about then you understand so i wasn't too crazy about it but when i came back and i had no money and i had to get back on my feet i put the gun on my back and i went out you know and i just started knowing i had to do and that's what happens in our life and luckily like i said i was around them kind of groomed when i was younger if that's what they were doing with me you know and you learn that's part of it you know you have to be groomed and for you two i mean do you guys have a grooming process as well if you will same thing as him i grew up around it my whole life i was born into it pretty much you know i'm so it's around you your whole life you know i picked up where they left off pretty much you know i took people's places basically i was doing the things that i was doing what what are the higher ups tell you i mean they teach you the rules basically you know because i didn't know what i was doing at first i was breaking rules like crazy i was sticking up social clubs i was gonna kill three times you know so i was learning and i was like i was like well they can't do this you're not supposed to do that i was so it was a learning process for me you know thank god that i had family and people around it because i don't think i would have made it that far because i was doing uh you know i was breaking out of rules so you got to learn you know and that's what i did i learned from the old timers like he said yeah and for you john well i had guys that went back like i learned from a guy that's 86 years old right now you know so i learned from all old school guys but they only believed in you make you make a mistake and you pay with your life you know i mean so those are the guys i learned from you know it sounds like a lot of people today watch their godfather yeah right that's not it you know you know for you john was it like that was there some a big mentor i guess if you will yeah i mean you know my father grew up in a low reside so it was a hub of gangsters vito genovese and those guys and he uh became very good friends with uh little al casey guys so actually he's got a life sentence now uh killer uh good looking jack these are lucy guys in jersey and then on the new york side and jersey also blackie uh luciano so these are famous guys in the mob world that uh since i'm five years old and then i was around his uncle fat andy ruggiano with murder inc so these are the guys that you know when you when most kids are going to preschool in kindergarten that that's i guess all of us in the same situation that's kind of our kindergarten we just learn the way of the street from proper gangster serious gangsters and you know you learn that you know the rules the code and the life itself and as you're getting older you develop and you're stepping right into a pair of shoes that fit perfectly because obviously you're groomed for it yep is that was that the same for you paulie as well father and everything i grew up around his father since i was eight and yeah sounds naive but i was so young yeah i didn't think i was a criminal i thought i was just doing something good for one of my friends fathers you know go throw a hammer through a window on we're gonna be selling you know we're gonna be selling firecrackers out of the playground so you just start picking up these little jobs right everybody else is going and killed himself for money and meanwhile i'm sitting in a playground suntanning all day long and making more than my father you know selling firecrackers i'm like oh can i take some home you're like okay take home a bag every night if you want he's been corrupt since he was eight years old so i don't know we all have bobby you said something interesting earlier about um you know after the the market crashed and you didn't have a job uh did you ever think twice about going back into it no no i didn't i grew up in it i had the name already from my father you know so it was easy for me to slide in there i had the respect from all the main guys there how's that work though when you kind of get back into it like who are you talking to what are the conversations like well basically we're our own men do you understand i didn't ask permission from anybody i did hook up with who i had to hook up with i mean that's respect that's how we grew up you know always selling over us you know but i just went out and did what i had to do i wanted to earn i had cod clubs we were selling drugs doing it extorting loan shock and had a big loan shock business the best i built up right away you know it didn't take me long to hit a million and boom i was living up the streets with the money you got to remember that boston guys and and not because they're sitting here yeah but any joint you go to anybody is from any joint they know the boston guys uh are gritty they fight yeah and they're just it's in their blood to be tough honestly more so than any other area i've ever seen uh where these guys happen to grow up there's a lot of tough guys that we talked about earlier yeah streety kids uh the shays and uh especially the irish guys yeah they fight right they're tough guys my crew was irish yeah yeah you know because we got to work together yeah you know the shea brothers are good people now i wanted anthony what was your mentor coming up who did you uh who schooled you on on the gangster life basically you know it wasn't really school but the guy i looked up to and that was i was around at first was um bruno okay yeah so he was like you know he's going to show you the ropes because not really he showed me the ropes but he was someone i looked up to and uh i mean i think it's in you where it's not in you when you start hitting the streets you figure it out quick and um if it's drugs i mean you know you start selling drugs and you figure out how the game works same thing with running numbers sports gambling loan shark is that why we sold so much drugs man yeah a lot of marijuana yeah all right and uh so i think it wasn't like he you know you just know what the crimes are and you get involved and uh you know well you take pointers from him and a lot of people don't know you like i know you you have one of the most violent crews for the genevieve's family yeah a lot of guys don't know that yeah we had another crew genevieve's family in new york ain't really um violent yeah but you were you had a really really violent crew yeah we had a violent crew we actually did a hit a couple of things down in beaton's and uh um you know shootings and uh and they had a lot more implant but we we kept getting arrested at the time so right it was always uh but they were they liked us coming down there you were handling a lot of the work for them right yeah especially in our area right well you guys talk about the i guess talking about the differences with the boston cruise the biggest difference between new york mob and boston mob similarities differences um i guess because you guys all have different angles let me tell you something people don't understand yeah people don't understand is the reach we have just the way we're friendly now we have the ability if bobby had a situation anywhere in new york he'd make a phone call and say john do me a favor buddy and i'll say what you know find this guy for me do me a favor and then whatever needed to be taken care of it's that simple he doesn't got to get in his car he doesn't have to drive down here he doesn't have to do anything it's vice versa for anthony or any of us you know it's very easy to reach from any city state to this day we're all very friendly so you know it happens like that because you could have a problem like for instance my cousin was hit by somebody new rochelle this idiot decided to run to a banana guy in new rochelle yeah he says yeah yeah we'll help you they set him up for me it's that simple and he comes to me and we beat the piss out of them that's just that's how it works yeah we got you we'll help you yeah we got the jerk off to hate your cousin oh he's going to meet you here all right great and that's it right but a big thing for us like you were saying new york and mass a lot of problems that they had and you know they'll probably agree is uh they had five families there so i mean there were they had like you know never mind your own crew and your own family is bad enough but then when you're fighting for the same uh spots and the same people and they're part of the cases or the gambinos or the genovese you've got more uh competition so i mean you got to really be uh qualified in that life to get ahead because you got so many guys in new york so many different families so many made guys so many associates now when you come to mass you really only have one family which is the patriarchas in boston and our area which is central mass and western mass all the way into albany and we shared kind of with the patriarchs connecticut but when they got arrested in the 90s we pretty much took that whole area over bobby with his crew that he came up he started coming back into the area but we were friends so we would have got along great we would have worked but there was there was no competition amongst us so it was like we everything we made it just it was a funnel that was coming into one family so it was just a lot more money and with no competition and if somebody did come in another family we never had any beefs with anybody because we controlled everything and i think that's a big part of it you know that we got lucky that there wasn't uh other families to fight with and wars going on and who's fighting over spots and bars and who's this guy with and um like i said when bobby came up uh he kind of like was doing that but we got along great so it didn't affect anything now we talk for people out there who have no idea how do you guys kind of progress uh into the higher ups to become you know bosses and take over more control and have higher status um we talk about your process so for me um you know it's still like i know today they don't have to kill anybody to get made um in my case i did and so that's how you get your initial button you want to call it or straightened out um so once you get your straightened out in my area be like i said there's uh we're the genovese family so um i had the biggest crew the most violent crew with all the big top money earners and uh there was just uh what was gonna happen what was happening was um the boss in my area was gonna be was bruno al bruno was the boss of connecticut and mass of the for the genovese family but he's a he's a boss and um he was getting uh he was getting stripped of his rank and when i got when i got made in um august of 2003 i was taking over his position as boss of our area which i did i took over the area as a boss and bruno was still alive and then um and bruno was just taken down and putting as a soldier um a couple of months after i got straightened out a paperwork surfaced with uh bruno cooperating with the uh fbi um a 302 they call it he uh he gave information to an fbi agent and um it was about if another made guy was actually a made guy and that paper circulated back to the um the made guy and uh you know a month later bruno got killed we had to you know we got in order to kill bruno and um but at that point i i was already the boss of connecticut and mass and i continued to stay boss up until for the next uh seven years how many people were in your crew i would say i mean we probably hundreds of people were in my crew but my immediate crude i mean um they're all different types when you talk about crew earners i had how many soldiers you had on you uh actual made guys i would say a dozen and um and they had it and then and but you know it was like in in the crew itself it's like you know you call like earners they're in your crew they're an associate but they're in your crew and you've got guys that are capable of murder they're in your crew right um certain you don't have to be made but you're still part of your crew my friends were that were my crew weren't even italian and you know they couldn't get made but um they were a big part of my crew and do you uh do you i mean how does the like giving orders or gear you know delegating different things work you don't ever do you have uh personal contact every time do you have people you tell one person something else and they tell the rest of the soldiers i mean how does it work for like a casual person who doesn't understand the way uh the mafia works in terms well i mean on the way out he might ask me to kill you so [Music] i think there was a lot of buffers especially with me i mean i think the smart guys what they do is they insulate themselves and uh you know like our family that's why they're still intact today and they're the strongest family out there the genovese families because you can't talk to the bosses and they're not going to talk you don't even see them yeah you don't see them they and they put acting guys in spots and places they get straightened out with that family yeah the genevieve's family gotta be on record for about 10 years right at least yeah i mean that's what they say in new york and i really uh see they don't even strain out guys in our area did you ever get anyone put in did you ever straighten anybody out i was on them that that was my plan in new york yeah well i would have did it in my area right which i would have had the okay to do that oh you were strengthened about yourself i would have strength just like bobby and his area yeah absolutely they actually wanted us to straighten out a couple other guys because they didn't want to do it in new york so they wanted us to actually do the straining out like this one guy that's there now they wanted us to strain him out back in uh they wanted bruno actually to straighten him out in 2001 he was around matty the horse and um they wanted us to straighten them out why because nobody wanted to straighten them out in new york and have that you know risk of him you know that when he because when you propose someone and you straighten them out now you're responsible for this so they wanted us to do it to get that guy he never ended up getting straight out he got straightened out years later okay um what's the straightening out process like for people who don't really understand what that that terminology is well you get made into the actual actual ceremony what's that what like what is goes on i mean you gotta read gq if you want to know well we did gq and we went through bobby's good at explaining the actual ceremony but it's a ten minute process i mean everybody eats you know i'm not a wise guy anymore but it's like being a member of the moose club in one another you're still a member i gotta beat you understand what i'm saying you know there's some things i don't like to talk about but it's a ceremony we take the guys in we do what we have to do they swearing out to us and that's how it uh it happens we'll say it that way did you ever watch the honeymooners no have you ever seen honeymoon with jackie gleason i watched ed norton i'll watch it tonight yeah so if you watch that and the honey moves when they join a club yeah they grabbed that thing and they said he caught that johnny you know what i was talking about what i was talking about so for another one of me and you're in buddy johnny yeah for you how did you move kind of up the ranks over time all right they came back in the 90s uh the patriarchal family was in disarray they took down a lot of the bosses i was with a faction that was unliked and myself from the luisi family and another family the rosetti family and we were all coming up together trying to put everything back together but you know i was at a business mind so you know everything was business to me to me it was like a corporation so i started going off this swing and i started putting everything back together making money put money in the street it was easy for what i did what i did was unheard of i took another family into an area that had a family sitting there but like i said they were in disarray i was proposed in the patriarca family but things didn't work out so i kind of like got at odds with them started taking this stuff so i reached out to new york uh to come in maybe as a captain and straighten my crew out and then i ended up in philadelphia but what they did is they gave me the power in boston that i needed to move up the ladder you know when i think you could be the baddest guy in the world but if you don't get that button you're not looked on right i mean up there they call this the louise family so i have my foot on everybody's neck especially the patriarchas but there's a few patriarchals that i still love the respect that i grew up with they were working with me too so i was working with the patriarchas as i was gaining her power and putting everything back together i'm the type of guy playing flags and i'll tell you what that means i'll go on a neighborhood i'll grab the crew in there who's ever the boss whatever they're doing you're with me now so i'm going up scooping these people in bringing them under my umbrella and i was building my family when i went to philadelphia to get made and straightened out the agreement i had with joey and george i was going to stay with the family for two years and then i was going to break off i'm going to have my own family that's what we intended to do i was supposed to be with philly for a short time so it would have been the louisi family up there and slowly keep pushing off the patriarcas now you got to remember i grew up with these patriarchas i was once proposing that family so i did business with them right but i made sure i was in the north then that's against the capital we know that little italy in boston and from there i was running all the way up to maine to connecticut i was all around i was even coming around your area yeah and you could tell them that story i wasn't too like down there well you came into new york and you bet i think when pete got it right well no pete sent me a message okay because at that time you know the commission was gone and people were sitting on the top he told this he said tell bobby in his position he couldn't do nothing for me and that's when i went to philadelphia i met ralph natalie then i met joey i met georgie you know they were great guys they took me in you know joey was kind of going through the same thing i was going through in boston you know so we fit good together you know until this day i still like and respect those guys down there for what they did for me but that gave me the strength to come up the boss then now still the guys that i made and the guys that made when i was away i would still say that the philly guys up there are stronger than the patriarcas themselves still to this day yeah you know and when when did uh you know it all kind of fall apart i mean when how many how many bids did you guys do i did 14 years okay i did 14 years myself i ended up doing 14. i went to trial twice first i got 20. then i went again i won an appeal first one overturned the drug case in massachusetts i went back the guidelines changed remember johnny yeah when they changed their guidelines they took they found me guilty again but they took 47 months off and i got on the 2013. and when you went in i mean was there regrets did you uh did you know at that point it was done i mean what's your mindset when you walk in there well i gotta tell you because it's in newspaper articles and some things you could google march of 1998 i had some kind of spiritual experience you know i seen guys that i had killed in different things and it was it was something i don't want to get into it it's too deep you know and uh that night i took christ so now i'm going to church and trying to run my crew when i'm trying to do the right thing with my crew i felt obligated to but honestly at that time i was just about done and when that happened i wasn't forceful anymore i wasn't chasing down my money i didn't want to sell drugs anymore i didn't want to do anything like that you know in a way it was a blessing that i got picked up to be honest with you so i got picked up in june of 99. yeah i would sneak at the church with a body with guns in our backs and i was going to church every sunday my mother had opened a church non-denominational church but you guys were very violent i mean for the people that don't know you guys were violent yeah we were violent and i you know i think that's why that thing happened yeah i mean i i was evil i was wrong i didn't care about nothing but myself i cared about my crew my family and my kids but everybody else it didn't matter the life of that day matter to me yeah i mean that's how you get you got a callous over your heart johnny and anthony know this you gotta whack a guy this is what you gotta do this is our life but it's all a lie what kind of life is this to live like this right well that's the message i and this is the first time ever that all of us sat like this i don't think anybody's ever done this before we're doing right now with gene and all of us yeah so i think uh and the message back to what we uh you know what my message is to these kids yeah absolutely you know if you sat at this table and they ever added up uh all the homicides yep uh the beatings robbery stabbings oh you're talking about uh hundreds and hundreds between us right here yeah so and and the message is the same and he just said and anthony said said is uh it's for the kids man it's just not a right life and you know and really that's what we're trying to get at see the problem we all had is like we were telling you we all grew up in this this is what we know this is what he knew we didn't all know better we did all these things in ignorance who wants to join then you got to go clip somebody we didn't sign up to be murderers this is not what we wanted to do but this is the life that we were in what are we going to do they call you up crack that guy go do this go what are you going to do you got to go and it could be your friends that's the messed up exactly it happened to me a bunch of times exactly all your own friends believe me i know plenty of my friends wanted to clip me and the part is it turns in the same thing we didn't want to do we start giving orders to do exactly and we're telling guys the same way it just goes back into that cycle now we're telling guys and sending guys out to do what we did yeah and you know it's just the vicious circle that it just keeps going round and round what do you wish what do you wish you would have told yourself um that you now know to a young young bobby well you know i have some regrets but not all you know i i get this acts a lot about guys that got killed and friends they got killed and my answer is i'm sitting here talking with you so that's the most important thing i don't have too many regrets my biggest regret in life was selling drugs i lost my daughter in december the drugs you know sorry data yeah that's you know that's my biggest regret that i did that you know but um listen we all did it we did it in ignorance i was a guy like me uh after losing everything uh how am i gonna be a millionaire how am i gonna have all this money how am i gonna have this power see the problem with us more than money is ego and power right you get on the power trip you can't open you know it's something when you pull up to one night club and five guys want to come and park your car doors swing open you're cut in front of lines you're like a movie star you know you fall into it it's a trap but it's all a lie this whole life this whole illusion it's just an illusion and i realized that and i realized that that night and then i accepted christ and you know when you see your sins in front of you you know it's kind of tough it's kind of tough you know you did the wrong things do i regret what i did no because people wanted to kill me and i'm sitting here it's a funny thing i went to a trial and judge says the lawyer said to me he said you had your foot you know on the neck of the city on the patriarca family you did this you did that my father got my father got killed my brother 99 restaurant family members i lost and he was coming at me with all these things and i told him the same thing i said you know something i'm sitting there and that's what's important to me right now you know when we're in the life and we did what we did we did it it's over with you can't have remarks for what you did but everything that we learned in the life now we got to come and show others and show them what i like you know we're in prison with gang bangers and what is a latin kings uh mexican mafia they were all over us because we were italian we were bosses you know what i mean i'm sure johnny they were all over you they want to work for you of course you know tons of gang members work with me yeah and we set examples for these other nationalities in people to follow what we used to do or what we did you know and it's terrible yeah then you got to think about it now these kids they watch a movie they analyze the young guys there's not too many around any way up there anymore don't get me wrong they watch the godfather bronx tales they want to be gangsters they don't know what their life is about they have no idea no they don't understand it it's a 24 7 horror that's what it is it turns into after a while am i right and yeah absolutely johnny yeah i mean after a while you know then you get up in the morning you put a gun in your back you go oh you know if you're going to come home at night you don't know if you got to clip somebody you don't know what's going to happen arrested arrested now i got out of prison at 13. i went to work loving i put my head on the pillow every night i don't gotta worry he was coming through the door who i got a clip who's gonna clip me it's a bad life it shouldn't be glorified anymore that's what i got to say about the life well yeah but it's god's plan maybe yeah that's why i was sitting here you know you got to go through things to be able to teach things so you know there's always a you know you got to take out of the negative uh a positive the positive is without going through it you wouldn't be able to uh talk to other kids about it yeah and for you anthony was it that same kind of mentality i mean uh treachery on a daily basis without a doubt treachery but for me it was like for a regret i would have to say my family for what i put him through but i wouldn't even say my family my biggest regret is getting made into the mafia because uh what we didn't realize is that you know i was a millionaire before i was a millionaire uh five years six years before i even got made into the mafia so um i was shelved meaning i was a bruno shelf to me yeah when i got caught with the wheel yeah so i wasn't even with the proposed member and i wasn't even uh you know with the mafia from 96 to 98 and i made millions of dollars in those years so what it is is we didn't need them no that my biggest regret is getting uh made into the mafia i could go back to the title right i was stupid to get made i mean i didn't need it it was just like you know what it was it was like that title well it's like a legitimacy i was doing anything to get it you know what i mean that's what you do you do anything well you want to be part of like why did guys join biker gangs or clubs or you want to be part of and us growing up that was like the ultimate for the bad guy in the streets that was like when you got that that was the ultimate goal for us so it was always something but and then you always wanted to think like you know our age group is probably the last you know 40 late 40s other than that they don't understand what the mafia is about you know i mean as far as like gene and growing up it's a different era than like when we grew up as you know going back to the presence of the 70s and 80s with the fight you know the commission case and all that so um you know we didn't need uh so we wanted to be like a like a brotherhood you know like somebody bothers him somebody bothers uh someone in the family um we're there for each other and it's a thing of honor and it's a thing of um you know it's like it's like a a high honor to be a made guy so in our area they were treated like kings yeah and i'm sure in new york back in the 80s and you know made guy they roll out the red carpet for them so it's basically that's what you want but once you see what it is i mean it really you didn't you didn't need that to make money first of all you got i had guys around me that were my friends if someone bothered me or them and we'd go and do what we had to do to hurt the person even kill the person we didn't have to be part of the mafia and as far as making money on the streets you can we can do it today we can make millions of dollars if we chose that path you know on the streets to make who's going to stop us the only path we choose now is to do it legitimately make the millions of dollars legitimate in you know construction bars restaurants whatever that it is to make it legitimately so you didn't need the mafia so it's like my biggest regret is that i even joined up with them and it changes everything for you yeah you gotta take orders no no and not only that you you don't get the same time anymore as you were if you weren't in the mafia because you got the best boss if you're just a regular guy selling drugs you know you might get some time when you start doing it for the organized crime it becomes life yeah they want you to flip on you got you know this is what it becomes you know it becomes a tactic you know it's yeah someone you grew up with they tell you to go kill them you got to kill them if you don't they kill you they tell you to come to a meeting you got to screw up at the meeting you don't know if you're going to get killed you don't show up you're going to get killed and if you do show up there's a good shot you're going to get killed so i mean it's who wants to sign up for anything like that right explain through means when you get standpoint you don't go yeah you can't if you're part if you're a made guy if you're an association if you're not you're going to have to yeah right right well you can just say right but when you're made right and you don't show up it's like you know it's your death sentence back in if you've got a real crew you're with well as louis de bono yeah he got killed and that's part of one of them we all uh he said that's why he killed him yeah yeah that was my message to you know we had to kill him is because he wasn't showing up and what he's saying from before is consequences of the life back then compared to today a big difference when we were growing up of course the consequences it was a lot of you know obviously a lot of murders back when we were being raised in this life and we didn't need it me and anthony's talk about we're making a ton of money we have each other all of us right here yeah we didn't need anybody because we are the the guys you know that are actually making the money and doing the work so well you know we were making excuse me but we were making uh um millions of dollars in the marijuana business and i did a lot of business with johnny in the early 90s mid-90s and they consider that like you're uh it's legal they legalize marijuana i mean these guys admire they were like it's narcotics you know they wanted to kill me because i got caught with a five pounds of wheat in my house they got i got raided and they found 40 pounds a week with some ammunition bruno was looking to have me killed because i got caught with marijuana today you can go into a store and buy it right so like you know like these crimes that we commit the biggest regret is like getting made and the second thing is if you don't the violence there's no reason to hurt anybody for anything and if you don't hurt anybody and you do the crimes that we did the crimes that we did are all they're not unethical crimes i mean you can go to vegas and bet sports gambling it's legal but we do it i explained it and it's you know we can set up a place offshore and do the same thing vegas is doing and if we don't hurt anybody what's unethical about it the only thing is we're not paying taxes but that's the only crime that's committed it's not like selling marijuana it's legal loan loaning money to people they have that you know banks loan money and you know tough people every day we loan it to them but the violence as long as you don't hurt anybody it's not really unethical crime well that's the excuse they use well right because this is this is their beast if you don't pay us 100 you know but if they don't but if they put us in prison if you don't commit we all know this i mean yeah i had three indictments uh 03 05 and 05 two state two uh one fed right and my crimes were sports gambling numbers vending business uh racketeer um numbers sports gambling loan sharking big numbers and these were all millions of dollar places i pled guilty to all of them i got three years in the state three and a half years in the state and i got two and a half concurrent with the feds because there was no violence on the case right so and that that's three cases and i was a guy that they wanted really bad and i still only got three and a half years so my until they got you with the attempted murder of a union boss a murder another murder right and let me go back to your banking statement just in case uh we charge a little more interest than a bank does we do right but but as far as like if you get the guys you can't see a business a business guy comes up he's doing a project he wants 50 000. he can't get the job done without it we give him the 50 000. now if you don't pay you that 50 that's right and that's what the problem is right you know but is it bad for him not to pay the 50 back i mean think about it i mean that's a bad thing for the guy not to do but violence is the thing that kills us all right if that's violence and when you're right it collapsed families yeah they collapsed today today these guys get indicted they get indicted for racketeering they go away for three years two years and they cry about going to jail for two years i mean you've got guys crying that they're going in for two years and um probation and with no violence on the case you know you're looking to pull that on the whole uh yeah these guys that talk over probation i'm being honest with you no i don't get probation on their record yeah it's insane yeah do you do you feel like it's easy to stray away from that now to to know what you're capable of or know what kind of money you're capable of making illegitimately do you feel like it's um been easy since you got out to not go back i mean for me it's hard because i know how easy it is to make money on the streets i mean it's so easy that it's just like it's like you just want you know it's just for the money part it's so easy to do that you want to do that so that's the hard part because you know guys that are earners know how easy it is to go out and start hustling and whether you know it's little this little that and before you know what you're making five thousand ten thousand a week so after the show i'll get you 10 pounds oh they're going to be calling i'm getting all done i'm joking oh no it was funny i went down to tennessee right and uh i married a woman down there beautiful woman great person and she was an i.t manager for sandusky cabinets you know you know it's a lot of blacks in there spanish what nice people made a ton of friends down there so they hired me to go in and kind of straighten the place out which i did you know i got production up and had a few uh headbutts with the union officials whatever i did i did and we got the factory rolling again but at that time i came out of what i was doing and now on facebook and reporters are coming to talk to me so everybody knows who i am now i can't tell you how many times i was approached they called me alonzo down there right alonzo we could do this we could do that okay get out of here with this [ __ ] because they need a leader yeah you know there's plenty of people out there today if they know they could earn with you right they don't care what you did right they want to earn right so it's tempting it is but unconscious i can never do that again i can never do that you know what i noticed about being violent because i mean for my time i was i was really getting a lot of violence i did a lot of violence i did i i wasn't whacking guys you know like back in the 80s like that but i was really violent yeah but let me tell you something it's a double-edged sword with that violence because it's like this guys won't deal with you because you're too violent right right you know what i mean but you always get paid your money because you're violent right yeah so it's it's not it's it's it's and if you're not you're soft you're weak they take the kindness so it's such a confusing life you know i was always taught you got to make sure you're violent in that life you know what i mean so i was like all right you gotta you always do what they tell you to do no matter what it is okay but it also hurt me because nobody would deal with me with certain things they didn't want to borrow money off me because they knew i'd hurt them if they didn't pay me yeah i want to deal with the soft guy you know i mean and it was a double-edged sword you know i mean how'd that work out for you well i was a spoiled money you know i had all the money up there book bankers who needs eighty thousand when he's fifty thousand right why dealt with a very big long shot yeah yeah i i had a guy who's giving me 2400 a week for two years actually it was through one of my guys because if you're a main guy i might cry here with you for a point you have to it's an awkward yeah i mean that's yes that's what we do i got two point guys whatever right you know support bass is paying 2 400 a week for two years i got my money back i don't know how many times yeah yeah yeah so when the pig that he was working with because he ended up riding on me goes to prison he comes to me i knock him down to 800 a week right then i meet him again he's doing bad with his book what am i gonna do it's all right it's on the shelf eighty thousand wow you're a good guy well listen you wanna know his business right no i was good i know i dealt with guys that wouldn't do that yeah yeah but see that that's great yeah i i don't know you can't be a good boss doing that yeah i dealt with a real question i'm here i'm protecting you yeah i'm giving you money to run your business right because i got to remember what i took from this man yeah you know i got other guys i wasn't big into extortion if you were a long shotgun on the street here take 10 on mayan make sure you send me money every week right i learned that from the angelo family that's what they did years ago if you're a bookmaker rather you work with me what if you were a drug dealer and i found out you had to be with me you understand that's how i did business right and it worked all good for me i made millions thanks for making big money you know so it's not that um you got to be hard with them all the time but um you know i always get ridiculed because i was a big armed robber i did a lot of armed robberies that's how you came up in the old school days right that was heists i always get called the thug you know all this stuff isn't that part of the game i always thought i was taught i wasn't into that bad guys i wasn't right i'm robbing bad guys i'm saying you're robbing other crime guys you're doing heist there's nothing wrong with that in the life because i only did a few things but that wasn't my you know everybody's different everybody does their own thing right like this guy in the corner was a bad guy and we know why they called them you understand but this guy did what he wanted to do right so he did what he had to do and take care of his own things you you if i recall you were a heist guy okay i think we all did yeah you had to do it right yeah that's what i thought it always comes with your territory right that's why felix every time i tell you we do these shows you got to hurt him when he doesn't cut him on the street that was shy in the dual set because i was like a half a snake right you know we weren't really working together you know i didn't go after everybody i grew up with a lot of guys over there but i count this any 50. you want to give it to me because you don't want a problem and then i tell you to screw that's how i would but i got to ask you something bobby because you said you guys didn't you weren't into the robberies and ice but there is one heist that i want to talk about which one you guys had a major high seller in boston that uh oh the odd heist yes tell us about that the guardian museum well i'll tell you a story that crew we ended up together in like 93 they did that at 90. right so i had safe houses all over i know a couple of those guys said yeah and i had a safe house in uh walton beautiful place you know i had to go mars i used to go sneak up there you know so i'm sitting with bobby uh guarantee on the couch miles comes on tv he says to me i know where the artwork is wow yeah i know where the artwork is and i'm thinking he said can you do anything because now we're in new york we're in philly he thinks we're going to move this ship i said hunk that's what we call yeah yeah right he's still wrong he's some runner by the way he can't run i said hunk listen i can't move that i can't move a pack of cigarettes you want to move out work i said i yeah i don't know what to do with this [ __ ] i let it go but i wouldn't know where it was where it was but see i'm not a pusher if i sent anthony or paulie to go do something i don't ask for explanations when they come back did you take care of that that's all i want to know that's the type of guy it was yeah everybody was amazed that i didn't dive into that yeah but what was i going to do with a job i mean yeah yeah they were going to turn it in and collect the 25 million yeah i knew this at the time that's what they want 25 million i got every organization looking out yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i picked myself up yes i never found the guys that did it and never found the art well bobby garante is dead you were whipped bobby yeah yeah bobby i know mile's good that was yeah that was i think bobby gentile so he probably did it and you know that's it he didn't tell me he did it he said i know where it is that's what he told me you know and i didn't pursue it you know so when they came to me about it the feds bobby was that's why i talked about it i told him what he told me steve kirchen took it a step farther they went down to his old house they ripped it down because he said bobby is buried under a slab in florida now i know he had a few properties down there but i guess one of them they got down there they ripped it out they probably moved everything yeah bobby died i don't know if anybody knows where it is right i have no idea but i wish i knew yeah that was the biggest robbery in the world yeah yeah biggest still till today yeah yeah and they said that guaranty's wife had one of the pieces there's a little stamp i don't know who did a rembrandt i don't know who did it yeah i'm not a hot guy i'm not gonna try to be but i think the stamp was worth i don't know how many millions wow and she showed her to bobby gentile that she had it you know right and uh so they came after me they wanted me to talk against bobby gentile so i'm not gonna talk against you never mentioned that to me yeah you know what i'm saying and that's how that ended up i mean two books over that i did uh that's why i kept driving back and forth to boston i was trying to find that yeah i mean two guys over that i did uh a documentary for the travel channel right in japan flew over it was in tennessee yeah they got a hotel room the sun the symbol i came home in october it was uh september they got a hotel room and i did it i did one with the japanese over there well here's here's something that people don't know that uh i might as well spill a little bit about it uh we have uh nicholas palegi that's involved with those guys on a series it should be i think about eight part series that we're going to be coming out with it's something that's first time ever done he's the executive producer on it and uh all of us are looking forward to it and that it's going to be something 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the mafia that it had on your family um and how you know i guess for all you guys and i know these two specifically have talked about a lot before but it takes a big toll on on family um we talk about what that was like for you and uh you know if you've been able to make amends with them if there's if there's still resentment on their ends for all the time you did away and all the activities that you did when you were in the life yeah so i guess the uh the toll it takes i mean if you're doing a couple of years three years and you we have money coming in obviously i mean i i went to jail i went to prison in 05 and um i had anywhere from if it was a good month a hundred thousand a month coming in that would go to my wife at the time so uh if you got money like that it's really not hard on the families on the street because you know they miss their husbands you know um they don't have that you know their husband home but when you got they don't have to worry about any bills i mean i was getting a hundred you know never mind your wife doesn't have to work but she's getting a hundred thousand a month plus she you know she had access to over a million dollars at the time by me being in prison and i didn't three and a half years and uh obviously she went through about a million and a half of that money you know because uh is this an ex-wife yeah it's my ex-wife and uh did she spend it alone we want to know she was like my little kids were like three and four years old um at the time my son was like around 10. and she was you know she was just you know she just went out spending money she had no i you know uh she was buying my kids three years old 500 outfits i mean i came home they were in the closet with the tag still on them 500 on her understanding she ran everything so they don't really have an understanding of that money they think it's going to last forever she went to florida twice a year you know with with the family and the kids yeah i mean she was spending 10 000 a week i mean would you spend it i'll upgrade the car you know she went from a brand new bmw paid for it to a brand new lexus with a loan on it um you know 500 true religion jeans 500 outfits i mean it was you know to refurnish the house give it to her mother refurnish it again give it to her sister again give it to the brother florida twice a year taking the whole family with them it adds up you guys got to marry into the mob yeah no that's why i asked him she spent it on a loan because you're spending on your whole family yeah you're doing it and you know it adds up and anyway so if you got the money it's not really and you're only going away for i only did three year three and a half years at the time so it's not a lot what is a lot is when my kids now you know obviously it's heartbreaking on the kids if you have children three and four years old my two little girls you love them to death and you were just like heartbroken that you got to be away from them but it was only for three and a half years what do you tell them so at that point i didn't tell them nothing that i just went to work i had to go to work they'd come visit me in prison and they'd i'd be at work they were gonna go see daddy at work what the hardest part was i knew when i got out in 2008 you know i i like i said i had three cases and then i got indicted while i was in prison i went to trial i got found not guilty so i knew i was coming home now i you know i was hoping i was coming home because i knew i was always going to get indicted for murder or whatever but i just didn't know you know maybe i'll escape but i'm hoping and um so i got home in 08 and i was out till 2010 and i found word that i was gonna get indicted for a murder and uh so i had to explain to my little daughters and this time now they're six and five they can talk and they can understand things and they so i remember you know i had my oldest daughter sophia on my lap and uh i had to tell her i said daddy might have to go back to work that work again and she just grabbed me so hard and she hugged me and she said no daddy you're lying and and i felt so bad it was like you know really it felt horrible that i was gonna have to leave him again so then she leaned back she grabbed my face looked at and she says daddy you're lying to me right and i said yeah sophie i'm lying i'm not going back to work and then she she was all happy so i mean that's the biggest part when you uh and then i wasn't going away for two years or three years i mean i was going away for the rest of my life so i mean you know anybody that loves their kids and loves their family um to have to go through that i don't care what you did on the streets i mean you know it doesn't mean you don't love your your kids you know so uh um that's the hardest part you know is uh i have to say you know see you know have to have them go through that again do they ask you about it today you know right now the relationship is uh we're just i'm trying to get it back together with them i don't forget i was gone for eight and a half years i mean you know you know everything came out in my trials murders and everything so i put them through a lot with that so hopefully one day everything will be good you did a lot of time right totally yeah my whole life yeah and and for you bobby it was tough on my family you know i did like i said i did 14 years you know my uh danielle was 16. my robbie was 13 and the baby i think was two years old and uh it was hot on all of them you know it was really hot on me and uh like anthony said you got to try to build relationships back up again with them i mean i love my son who's with me the other night you know you know my daughter i see her once in a while we go take her for lunch you know but it's not like they grew up with me you know on the street i was wild i had all the safe houses i had to do lumas i used to go home on the weekend my poor kids you know so they were used to me not being there you know and then i uh i left them for 14 years you know financially i didn't leave her the way i should have left her i'll be honest with that and i my wife was beautiful i matter an irish girl you ought to see this girl you know and i love my wife but i was an animal not with her but the way i lived here you know i wasn't a good husband in that way well i don't know anybody it is that's in our life no i gave her everything i could cars clothes houses whatever i could give her you know but it was like buying her you understand what i'm saying as much as i loved her i couldn't even show that love you know like i said you get that callus over your hot and it affects everybody you know but uh my kids now we're getting close it's good i'm with my son i'm happy about that you know i love my kids they love me they understand now but it's hard your father's gone yeah you know it was hard for them and for you polly for me it's um i guess when um they read your name in the newspaper you know you're on the front page and all of a sudden you know your mother's just all her friends are talking yeah and she's gonna deal with all the repercussions of what they're saying and stuff like that and the same thing for the children because the kids are over their friends houses and the parents are talking in front of the children but then the children will go back and say something to their friends say oh we heard your father's this we urge you for others that and is there a feeling of shame um it wasn't so much shame it was like i felt like i shamed my family more than i shamed myself and like i said it was worse like you know look having to get up out of bed and you go look at your mother like okay you're in the newspaper again you know and i'm like you said you weren't gonna do this why do you keep doing this and i'm like i don't know if i knew why i was doing it i probably wouldn't but and how long did you go away for um which time total i guess total um say um all combined eight and probably 16 on paper 16 yeah definitely on paper at least and i mean when you're when you're in there are there regrets on what you did who you're hanging out with and um i was hanging out with a lot of my childhood friends it just it like i said you know there's regrets about the things you did and but then you think back you're like if i wasn't with my friends at certain instances some of my friends wouldn't be here do you wish you had different childhood friends no no i really don't and also paulie actually is lucky to be here he overturned a double what double murder devil yeah the natural life i was serving and how'd that work how did you overturn it um if we barely took my case and uh it was the actual the eyewitness to the murder was the actual murderous so when they offered me to take a lie detector test i did and then they tried to tell me i couldn't use it and we went through all these things and if it wasn't for athlete bailly and the entire firm um taking my case i would have won't be sitting here right now wow and so you so you take the lie detector test and i pass it and you pass it yes and then three simple questions and then that's like what were the questions they asked you if i fired any of the shots that killed um should i say the names i won't go through yeah i don't want to say the first one oh you know it's killed one of them fighting the shots to kill the other person off i was in that park that night when the incident happened and three notes and that was it and that saved your life please um no they ended up not using it but it did get me a second trial in my second trial the jury was allowed to hear the real evidence about the eyewitness and at one point the eyewitness got so frustrated he actually like confessed to the murders then recanted and once the jury heard that like they just wanted to throw this whole case out and they came back not guilty right away i got really lucky i shouldn't be sitting here right now what's and then the when you know that you're going to get out i mean what's the feeling thinking that you could be away your whole life and now all of a sudden they're telling you you're free um not ever thinking not ever thinking that you're ever coming home was the worst failing and then hearing that you might come home you don't want to get your hopes up because like you're like yeah everybody here says that you know you hear so many guys locked up say the same thing like i'm going to overturn my case this week or i'm going in i'm going over and you you get hard broke and you're saying with guys that have been doing 35 years and you're sitting there and you're listening to them you're getting a chance and yeah you're coming on doing the same things don't get into it what is that okay no here's the problem especially bma guy in the mob johnny everybody here if i call johnny from boston and say someone sews down there can you do this favor for me and johnny went and do it which he probably would years ago okay now uh what happens is because i called and they say i gave the order johnny might get away with it and i might get the death penalty there was a i was with the p rose in the banana family right he told me one murder who brought that guy who drove the guy who killed the guy who buried the guy 13 guys in new york got arrested over one murder yeah and the problem with that with the mob is all the conspiracy well they want the guy pointing don't they usually and that's what happened with me right you know and then what i was facing would have been on that penalty charge well you had a guy and i won't mention his name and uh because i think he could get re-indicted again but he nodded and he was on video yeah when a guy asked him uh you want to hit a guy and he he he looked at the camera not knowing it was a camera they naughty gave the okay yep and they pinched him for uh rico and the murder that's all they need yeah never talk never gonna caught on an audio yeah yeah am i standing with the fbi isn't good and this is why i don't care for what i say yeah i don't know if he was all on my case but i fought them you know not to change subject i wanted to ask you something from you to uh your point of view on this the the non-violent guy and the violent guy the earner the violence whatever a true gangster we don't glorify this stuff the more i'm saying when you were living that life you never really respect the money guy like you respect the violent guy let's be honest yeah i'm not trying to go i'm just trying to because people always ask me this question why you do it explain to them that because you come from bosses and violent explain why well being a boss this is how it works like i said it's like it's a business even the old school was a business right when you set a company up not everybody's the secretary right right not everybody drives the forklift everybody got their own job to do right see i respect respected everybody in the crew but they made a book bookmaker a half-assed loan shock they have civilians right you never give them the same respect as the guy pulling the triggers and doing the work everybody gets a different respect for what they do right right you're gonna have bad guys okay you gotta have tough guys and you have to have earnest and another combination of that it's not gonna work right when i made all my guys they all did you know work right not all of them but most they were involved in something right you understand they were my close crew you know because out of all my guys it was probably the least well because i was saying back in a lot of artists too right i'm not gonna lie i'm uh not al capone i understand but the thing is here if i didn't have those guys around me a lot of things wouldn't have got done i wish if i didn't have the earnest i won't be making money if i didn't have the tough guys i got no one to come and break ahead right everybody got their path to play you don't send a tough guy to kill somebody you don't send a bookmaker to kill somebody am i right there's certain people that do certain things well that's what makes certain guys uh you know a big commodity in their life and i use anthony because we're friends but also because he became a boss but he was he had a different quality he was uh like a babe ruth of baseball he hit the ball you know how to earn and you know how to kill and he's quiet he's intelligent i mean there's not a lot of guys out there bobby you know that no i don't have that ability no and you when you find guys have the ability to hold package sure guys want you see i might get involved john i was an all-around guy right right that's what i i'm just saying because the guy i answered to was treacherous murders he did it all but he never respected non the non-violent guy you know that was my that's what i was getting to a lot of the times they didn't respect the guys that didn't do work they looked them as like uh they bought their way in you know what i'm trying to say that's yeah but you want to know he's right there was a lot of guys like that though right you know i was with one guy richie in the banana family you know i don't want to say his last name i was talking to him about it he claims he did something you know he said it took him 16 years they got a button the poor bastard so what's he doing carrying laundry what are you doing yeah yeah you make a cappuccino's where's the machine well back to what he's saying bob anthony or paulie i agree with you to an extent the guy that's an earner if he oversteps his bounds and behaves like he's more than an earner then he doesn't get that respect then then he gets the other side of everybody where we abuse him a little bit yeah but when he keeps and he stays in his lane and he just lets people know that he's just an earner this is who i am that's okay you gotta respect you respect his position it's when they be behave and they throw that cigar in their mouth and they're running around the street and telling you they're a boss or they're killing when they never cracked an egg yeah then they're going to get the abuse from us would you take on that well no like felix ashfield how you uh get ahead in this life how do you you know excel to that next level and johnny hit it right on is you got killers and then you have earners but how you really get ahead in that life and i think a lot of us here all of us here are we can kill but we can also earn that's right and that's what makes the person dangerous in that life that's that's what i'm saying that was a gangster that's what my boss explained right they didn't respect the guy that made the money i'm just gonna be that's how i you know when you put those two together now you have the brains to uh be a boss the brains to put things together to put a family together a crew together exactly and you also have that right uh that killer in you where if someone gets out of line you can send someone but you're going to go with them also and kill them right and go with them i'm like sending a little subliminals you know i'm trying to say a captain i would work for you i respect you because i know you're capable of doing what you're going to send me to do right i'm not going to work for a guy i never busted a great right they call themselves capital regimes and they never did nothing right right right right you know that's what i'm saying that was wrong i was in that position that's what i said that's what i was getting to i was a boss in my area and every hit that i was in on that went down in my area while i was a boss i participated in right so there wasn't one beating that i told somebody to do that i wasn't there or one hit but you guys know the same thing just what was saying we have guys that made money for us that were our piggy banks and if you go near them yeah we'll rip you apart of course oh yeah yeah golden goose we had i had them we all had them exactly i mean right i mean it all works and then but listen in any life with bob you saying earlier intelligence wins out on everything it does you need to be intelligent first and then everything else follows after that you've got to learn how to hold it together yeah you know you could be a tough guy killer what does that mean i had 100 of them around me what does that mean yeah and when you get it when you get a dumb killer he's that's what he is he's a dummy they're around you but they can't earn on their own johnny yeah they're hanging on to you yeah i need them so i got them there yeah you understand these guys they work for me they wanted them up they were with us but they weren't made guys you know there were just some people this is what they did this is what you use them for but they did have a capability to be they were with us and they could earn because they listen we could all say this you don't got to be a rocket scientist to sell drugs right right you got to have muscle you got to be smart you got to be able to know how to evade the law you know what i mean you know they're coming after you i lasted years doing this you know there's kids out there there's gang bangers they make it two three four thousand a week this is a lot of the problem with the mob today why does anthony got a bma guy if anything go and grind five thousand a week why they gotta be with you right what is it your business you know and i started saying that before you call we couldn't even recruit these young kids they make our money on their own yeah you understand but to really put something together to organize something that's where that all comes in you got to be an all-around guy if you're not gonna a good businessman you're not gonna make it yeah it's not gonna happen you know so this is what it is that's what's it about this is why some people look selling some don't i was with a lot of bad guys up there back these guys are bad guys they kill you in a minute but they respected me and they listen to me you know you have to have some type of charisma you know you got to be a sharp guy you got to know how to earn you got to know what fights to pick we're talking about people's lives here you got some bosses didn't give a [ __ ] about they wanted to clip everybody right no i wasn't like that you know i use my head you know we don't got to kill everybody let's kill the game dangerous guys obviously right you know we don't got to kill everybody we don't have to make a move like that you know well in our day we had to yeah and that's why people didn't understand it was a lot of treacherous guys out there well we went from the 90s yeah it doesn't happen today so when they're waiting outside house they're going to clip they went through this a few times you know what i'm saying it was dangerous some guys had to go you know but for the most part and johnny and anthony will tell you a lot of them are full of [ __ ] yeah right and you know that yeah right that's what i'm getting to i'm trying you know i hear what you said about that guy you know what i mean if your crew can't respect you on what you did are you going to get anywhere right how are you going to tell me to go do something you never did well because because it's easier to say it's because this is what was happening to me in boston right yeah i'll plant the flags i'm not even a guy i'm already a boss how many communities that i have right we're in revere whenever we're in summer i'm taking over everything i move i wouldn't even have a button yet i was a boss i was making millions i didn't need philly yeah but in our minds to be legitimate in that life for us yeah we got to get a bun right i want everybody straightened out and that's why i pursued that yeah but did i need philly no i didn't call them an accident to come and do something for me right actually the deal was john boston's boss is fully philly there's going to be no build uh business in between right that's how we had it set up don't mind me slurring all that i didn't sleep last night anthony oh well you guys celebrating a little bit oh my how much scotch did i'm glad i didn't show up a lot what uh what's this what's the scene like uh you know we kind of know that here in new york it's dead uh in the modern day but you know what's the mafia like now in boston in the mass area is it still prevalent oh i know that uh and are all cruel there's still plenty of them up there there's a good handful of them up there i mean there's some patriarchals left up there canada is real bad right now is it raleigh oh canada's wild right now canada yeah what joints were you in by the way you started talking before you were started to mention walpole uh conker uh mc uh fort devin's family yeah that's what we were talking about devon yeah yeah that's where i was with stevie last time i was little right right and then i go upstate and he's upstairs i'm like what do you just beat me to these places his brother got banged over bed right he's finished he's i think they finally let him out of colorado oh they did yeah i don't know where he is now i guess i haven't seen stevie in five years at least but looking forward to seeing it yeah now how did how did like technology and cameras and all that really affect the way you guys did work at over the years i mean well then effectively when i went away i had a flip phone and a beat right but you were a little bit more technology 99 yeah that's one way technology is you don't have the the phone guy no more for the sports i mean you know we used to have you know say you had 100 customers that were betting with you you needed three phone guys maybe even four yeah to handle them right and uh with that comes you know all kinds of problems and now it's just one one eight hundred number costa rica not even online you just go on well i mean you still gotta have the site set up and everything yeah they don't buy points you eliminate the phone calls it's amazing how they do it now you don't like you still gotta pay for that i didn't even look into it you eliminate the uh that's one way it helped out a lot is the uh elimination of the actual phone guy you know calling up the phones busy uh you know the the lines you put out the lines change so quick and he puts out the wrong line and these sharp guys come in and bet you and they destroy you they're robbing a point and a half two points and so it eliminated all that that was a huge thing for sports gambling now also just back to the question asked before compared to at your guys prime i mean how much you know mafia crime activities are going on compared to when you guys were around well i actually said when i got picked up because you know they cut the head of the snake off and my crew fell apart a little but they're still there it's never been as strong i think when i was there am i right yeah i would agree yeah i think so yeah i don't think it's been as strong and there's definitely no violence going on no more no but i think they kind of i mean i'm more modern day i can tell you they kind of eliminated murders yeah because all the heat you know i mean yeah they ordered me to kill somebody you know six and that's the last time i could say the banana i wish they did it i had three they started that's like they really stopped uh they really stopped all that violence right now guys got these guys getting straight out right now you would laugh they haven't even throw a punch never been in a fist fight yeah and i'm a guy you're a guy you never been a fight but i don't even think i don't i don't even think it's that so much the violent end of it i don't think they understand the life no i think these guys don't know they watch your movies they really don't have no idea they don't understand the interaction between crews they don't understand the respect of it it's likely that i was ruined by who i was ruined by i paid attention to whom i was with when i was a kid right you know and i knew better yeah you know a lot of these kids they're jumping up they're racing they want to do this and that i come from old school observation right sit back watch see what's going on well the way they talk to each other now guys are straightened out they talk to each other where back in our day if you ever did that you're getting clipped for that yeah so they don't even know from the summit of stuff you were telling me they don't even have the understanding of the respect yes they have guys that want to know want to let them know that they made guys so they would actually go to guys and be like oh well i can't be near you i might be on your list i remember my guy looked at a guy and goes are you trying to tell me you're straightened out right now get the [ __ ] away from me like he was dying to say that i was a made guy you know so he's going oh i might be on your list she's going get away from me bro like come on you're trying to tell me you're a guy all right great you know what i mean that's how bad it's getting that's what it is bobby was telling a good story the other night about a guy who walked around staring at his finger for the next couple of days i'm not going to say his name you know we had a few different ceremonies and uh one of the guys i swear to god we leave that thing he's staring at his finger you know you go yeah you pricked that for people that don't know if you get pregnant obviously that you you get straightened out in a cereal so i'm walking down the street i said i said whatever he's like this he's staring at his finger i said this kid is out of his mind he's a great kid big earner right he's a good kid but these are the things that we go through yeah you know he wants to let people know basically no it was him he was just amazed that he got the thing i think they pricked it you know we pricked his finger and you know that's it now he's in yeah he can't believe it he's staring at his finger i don't want to say half i settled the show i don't want to be you know my mother might be watching you come from i mean it's all the real mafia but the genovese family is uh it's still well it's still around very well yeah and um do you do you have any like uh like look over your shoulder do you care like what's your situation no my my concern now is just making money legitimate money and uh living life living good which i'm doing no concerns at all you know here's the thing they know i was just i'm saying my family colombo family don't exist these guys are all wiped out your family's still oh yeah you know what i mean and that's why they're there because they're they're uh you know they're more the bosses are all insulated right they're not uh out doing uh you know it is they're an organized crime family i mean they uh they're still involved with unions and huge in construction and they're still got big and garbage i mean one of the bosses he got indicted his bill was 25 million and he posted it the same day it was out the same day i mean that's nuts and you know they're all all the bosses have money big money and so the you know and they're smart like you said about murder who is gonna who wants to put out uh an order to go clip someone especially tell you another thing with technology you want to talk about technology how are you gonna kill someone today i mean wherever you go there's cameras i don't care if you go to a residential neighborhood someone's got cameras on their house that's coming out you got to leave the street there's stores there cameras are everywhere they just go back look at the car the time that this to that well let me let me so hard let me just start something for people what you're saying when you go do a piece of work and whether it's me bobby and anthony talking about it we need to get our guns so we got to trust somebody to get our guns together we need a car so we got to tell one of our guys it's still cars to get us a car so there's more exposure now you got to get a car without gps you got to make sure you're not going through any tolls so if there's any photos taken i don't know what thing is happening and tape them on now you got just right now you got street lights cameras you got houses at cameras the exposure is incredible and then you got to be able to trust the group of guys yeah how you track the front of your phone your phone now it's it's almost uh an impossible thing to to do at this point with technology and that's why the mob was so good at all these years because like we said they summoned you to come somewhere you come into the house they blow your brains out you gotta hold somewhere bury you and you never see the body anymore chop you up right and that's how they get away with that's the only way really you could get away with it but see i i couldn't come today with that like that i didn't come up like that because we had a war up there yeah and we wanted to leave guys on the street that's what we were doing right back then too bobby it wasn't it was in the 90s it was so there wasn't as much technology as far as the cameras or everything oh it was so easy yeah we had guys wrote in our crew robin cars i never wore a mask in my life i said it yeah i just you know we you know we had guys robbing cars who who was getting us guns who was getting us this these are all trusted guys yeah you know what i mean we were driving around with uh shotguns and machine guns in our cars all night long looking for people i wanted uh one more thing too um do you feel the downfall of your crew and everything is because bruno died do you think that's what brought the heat and racially ruined everything for you guys i think uh what what the downfall of our crew was is um having uh like i said um already in new york went from soldier to boss and uh he wasn't a good boss and he brought that guy around them jb john bologna you know we got told by two different families the guy was an informant i mean you know as a boss how do you have a guy the boss of the gambinos tells us this guy what he got this guy around before he's an informant then you got the rico from the your family the patriarch is over there and uh beaver i always forget his name beaver he tells us that john is no good the guy with the beer that comes up is no good now this guy knows stuff that could put me in jail for the rest of my life right so you tell me he's already a good boss by having this guy that's not made involved in murders with us that means you know you know getting involved in murder plots and uh and then you know what was the big thing with bruno i mean all jealousy all uh treachery to take bruno down i mean what was the guy really doing wrong obviously he got killed because he talked to the fbi right and a lot of people thought that anybody that's a gangster i can ask anybody here besides felix and phyllis probably is learning but you ask any street guy any gangster you if you talk to the fbi and they they show the 302 right you're talking to the fbi and you're telling them how many made guys there are is the guy you made guys are they going to kill you yes i mean so that's why that's why i'm cleared up because they blamed you and you aren't the cause of it right and that's why bruno got killed yeah absolutely you know the story i know the story so people don't know that's why i'm trying to you know right and so the downfall would be a bad boss minority putting a real bad guy around us that destroyed that's the downfall of our area to sum it all up quick as i can right is that right there how do you deal with someone that you are suspecting is an informant or is bad and you're kind of trying to tread lightly because you don't know what's so like you know in our mice area you don't have enough bullets to kill the informants no okay so in my area you have like a guy that just came out he owns the biggest um he owns he's been around the wise guys his whole life he never got made but he's been around them since you know the 70s okay and uh it come out in public paper that he was an informant since the 80s so the mob that if there was a why don't they kill this guy but instead they don't not kill him they go to his place and spend money in his place instead so uh but i could tell you if it was me back in the day you know i would have um you know you would kill someone like that back in the day in that life you have to how do you not if you're not a monster if you don't you know you're not you're not in that life if you don't you're not a boss if you don't how do you uh how do you not um kill the guy so i mean you if you know that the guy's an informant any real guy in any real crew will will deal with him and kill that guy let's see here y'all say here's a guy staying on the street running his business i had a few problems in boston when the farmers obviously you know especially in the drug business and a few of them i couldn't get at and every time that happened the way that i had things set up i would just change up everything yeah i'd move everything around right you know you got to remember now their reform is fbi what happens if you clip in a farm and they catch you doing that you don't that's penalty okay yeah so we got to be smart on what we do who we pick to kill and what we're gonna do i knew a guy was a rat i couldn't get my hands on him he was gonna it was gonna be a problem if i clipped them or not so i just changed things up that's what i used to do and i got away with all that for a while because i was expecting you know you got these earners on the street they're not tough guys they're bringing it to 300 000 a week i got one guy he's flipping 10 keys you know he's bringing he's bringing all this money in every week for me you know he flipped on me i couldn't get my hands on him you know but shame on me because i knew he wasn't strong yeah not that he'd be in a farmer but i knew he wasn't strong yeah 10 20 keys pinch right something like that yeah well you got pitched over a key ball we'll talk about five years this guy's finished oh yeah i didn't know it was that week i think we all and you know when you're in a drug business they all i had a guy guy pete same thing making you know probably fifty thousand hundred thousand himself a month worked for me i had the pittman brothers gelatis pitman brothers both died kevin and dennis actually his brother stays in touch with me but we had safe house same thing we would have to keep changing up because we had a feeling he was he got pinched in philly actually atlantic city they tried it they raided the casinos they thought i was going to beat her but later on it becomes informant and uh glotti never becomes he dies actually the brother kills him by accident and the gun went off but all these guys are dead but we had the safe house we'd move around because of these guys seriously serious guys that i did things with flipped on me both yeah these guys the time buffer they were serious guys some of them may guide they flipped on me no you come home look at joe machina come on man yeah yeah you know i know look you guys can name me names people like come on that's not even possible but you know you don't know what happens right it happens we had a couple weeks ago had barry levin on a great attorney actually and yeah and and we had a little insight on some of the things that go on and um you know so uh actually a good guy very intelligent and uh top attorney so you know he has hundreds of stories of different case obviously he's involved in these cases yeah yeah it's amazing how good was the the fbi and the feds back then at getting the mafia what do you say you got to remember you know one of the biggest mistakes i think in the mob world and every you guys are like that go great with me is the the routines is what kills us so when you're going to social clubs on a regular basis the surveillance is very simple for the fbi when you're going to the same restaurants because we're comfortable it's also an issue same nightclubs and we do it because of not out of stupidity out of being comfortable those are the locations that our people have and you know we meet each other and we we seem to pick the same places because it's convenient they're coming from boston we'll come from here we'll meet somewhere it's you know mutual that we have a mutual friend or something and that's a problem an issue which makes very easy for the fbi to surveil so you have some good you know work by the fbi but you have some stupidity on our end and also they were wrong back when we were running around they had manpower i mean they had cert agents for each family and a lot of them i want us you know you know so they had so many agents for the bananas for the genovese for the gambinos for the patriarchs and their focus number one was their number one priority in the united states was organized crime and that's where all the agents focused then the 911 happened yeah and the terrorism and now you know like some some bananas don't have no agents even working on their family certain uh colonials don't have it and i think like they would they went down to like two weapons yeah per family yeah and you know compared to what they had before you know because so many agents now were working terrorism and uh homeland security and that became a big uh you know so you don't have a lot of uh back then they had so many different agents they could focus on different crews and different however this is the biggest downfall yeah that also they can but that phone could be right here and they can still hear everything you see their technology they have walls you talk in a basement they got machines they can hear you talking through the [ __ ] wall how are you supposed to beat them you can't beat them no more nowadays they want you they they got you that's it did they do they try to intimidate i mean were there some that you would keep seeing that they tried to intimidate you or use those kind of tactics ever oh yeah yeah one was doing that with me how so yeah no i had a few restaurants coffee shops he called me sit in front make sure i would see him every day i went to roma up on the i think i'm hiding up on row one he walks through the door his sister was back to the table just to break my balls that's what they were doing you know but i didn't mind seeing them it's when you don't see them you've got to worry about right i don't mind seeing though when they put me out that means you're getting locked up usually when you show themselves that means they'll be the back to get you that means the investigation's over they're coming to get you yeah in 2003 they uh put a listening device in my truck i was driving in an expedition and uh just it happened to be that the day the week that they put a listening device in my truck i switched cars with my sister-in-law and uh when did you find out i never found out exactly i just always talked like i had a bug in my truck anyways but for this particular reason i got word that uh they went to this um uh a ford dealership and then were looking to try to uh use one of their expeditions to see where they could put a listening device where it worked and somebody at the fourth place knew uh you know worked there that knew someone that i knew and how many guys were driving an expedition in my area that they were looking to put a listening device so i switched off i switch with my sister-in-law and um and i started driving her car i never seen them follow me more blatantly when i did that i mean they were following me like right on my ass going here you know i was taking a left left left and going this way and then i'd find him another car follow me over there then i get a message on my um on a phone uh they left a voice message and my nickname was bingy and and they said uh come on bingie uh pick up your skirt that mitsubishi don't suit you i'm like who the [ __ ] is this right and i listen to it again and i'm like i go that's the that's the the state police i go they're like they're trying to abuse me to get out of that mitsubishi telling me it doesn't suit me and then i get pulled over by the state trooper uh murphy pulls me over he was the head of organized crime task force he said and what are you doing driving this car i said what's the problem with the murph it's my sister-in-law's car you go well you don't have two plates on you don't have a front plate that's why i'm pulling you over i said really murph okay it's like the fierce city i don't know uh where they talk about the bugs and the cars and i mean do you really they really would tell you right behind you i mean no no they tailed me because they were trying to get me to go back into my truck but once they got once i was back in my trucking like you said you never see them they're listening to everything they didn't get nothing on that tapes anyways they got me subjects going to hartford morton steakhouse singing frank sinatra you know it's like you could fit eight people in the truck in expedition so we're singing frank sinatra having a nice dinner busting balls smoking cigars and that's pretty much what they heard in the truck except when john come up jb he tried to talk in the car yeah and i would just put the radio on i don't even know whisper that even hell i'm not talking to that you get a lot of banters back and forth with the fbi we stayed my friend frankie still stays with me we stayed at a hotel in uh florida we're down in tampa that's when my case got based out of and there's about five of us we're going out to dinner so we we got two suites and one of the doors opens up to the pool so we try to come back we forget something we go back to the room and we can't get in and i'm like what how can we not be getting in we're playing with the door we call security they come in and i said that you know what go around the back frankie i said and go in through the back so he goes through the back the back door's open they put the the not the chain that barter goes across and they were putting they were wiring up the room and we just got lucky because not that we got lucky because we all got pinched but yeah you know we got look we stumbled on and we knew they were in the room and they ran out the back left the door open actually and the ball was there so it's impossible to bother we just walked out the room so that we knew they were in a room wiring it up and then we kind of strong armed the manager because he was petrified we told me we you know i can't talk to you they'll they'll lock me up and we said you're going to get locked up or you're going to get killed which one you rather have yeah he says all right the fbi was here so you know they were doing that to be everywhere to hey nowadays technology's so advanced they can watch you from satellite if they really want you if you're a boss like that and they really want you falling around they'll watch you from the sky you know i mean they have technology today you just can't beat well the last year was all open surveillance i used to leave from boston go to philly like once a month and i used to stay at uh nepal near the veterans stadium right in that hotel there every time i come down in the morning there's a massachusetts state police they had the hat in the back they weren't hiding right did you know i never actually seen them i think i bumped into them in the elevator and every time i was in philly was always open surveillance i come out of a a joint down there and on my camera i used to wave at the mark away that didn't bother me i was used to it i know they were following me i know that you know what was going on me i was always clean you know i wasn't too worried about it but it's like i said when you don't see them that's that's what i'm worried about yeah it's too quiet but they told me when they got me they never got me on a wire they never got me in the house they never brought me in every place we have bug because we never talked it was always this this this yeah we never talked right and it was the same conversation did you have signs on your walls i've been in social clubs where they said do not talk about crimes in here you're being recorded yeah yeah whatever you think what else was you take care of that thing did you go see that guy did he give you that thing hey do you know what's funny about that that's what we did all the time if you watch analyze this or analyze that yeah robert de niro was actually hilarious in that yeah he said did you take care of that thing he goes what thing the first thing or the second thing i don't remember what the first thing was you know it was actually funny yeah that's and i would change up conversations on the guys they would get lost when i started talking you know but that's what i was yeah you saw that guy right did he give you the thing right they don't know what the thing is is he getting money drugs are gone they don't know what the thing is so they were always listening and then when i was dealing with the colombians and some of my guys we had the beepers yeah i had colds i used to write up yeah yeah we had only two or three guys yeah and that was it they didn't know yeah they didn't know what to do once a month you changed that up so how do the codes work for people listening out there that well you can do it simply i mean yeah we met on the club on 98th street we just put in 98. yeah so you go into we know we got to be at the club and 9-1-1 you know that something's going on bring a pistol with you yeah so you know it is that you know that's a simple way for everybody you just punch in it you know you're gonna meet at this spot say you have three spots one two and three right and then you punch in one they know that's spot number one at 10 30. i gave you a simple version exactly there's a lot of things we put all ones in yeah that'd be one location you know so you know we had and then when we were wrapping keys up we put area codes where they were gone oh please forget about it we used to though so funny now ultimately um you know part of the show obviously is to to influence kids to make sure to stay out of that life because we talk about so many different aspects that are so treacherous um for those kids out there that are you know maybe at risk of falling into a life of crime we're born into it families in there or just don't have money and whatever what's the best piece of advice that each youth three can can give that kid out there who's you know tempted by the money and all that uh and ultimately i would say to them that the struggle is better it's a better life wow you know i don't want to say i don't want to be connie but you know if you could go to work every day put your head at the pillow at night and raise your kids you're a good man when you look for that easy money a lot of bad things are gonna come with it you know we live in a world with good and evil we were all advocates for satan at one time look at the things that we did in our lives you know how do you feel about yourself now do you feel better about yourself absolutely you feel you're out there you're helping people we got up every day we don't know who we had or heard of we were gonna get hurt you know these young kids don't realize that they watch these movies these kids i don't care if you're black white bro i care what you are you know best thing to do and i don't care if you got to go work at mcdonald's for 12 dollars an hour you're better off doing that than getting involved in this street because there's nothing real coming out of that i'd say the educational system's a lot better nowadays than when we went to school there's a lot more opportunities for people to go to school and get higher paying jobs and stuff like that my advice would be you go to school you know get yourself more education pick out something you like there's careers out there that are paying big money and works minimal you don't have to kill yourself for a week's pay anymore there are a lot of good jobs out there now better off just go to work you know i would say like paulie said um education pick a field a legitimate business field and just educate yourself on that field become the best at it and just um concentrate on that one whatever that field is whether it's uh the garbage business you know putting dumpsters everywhere learn about the business learn everything you can even education in general just educate yourself and uh pick something and just concentrate on it and be the best at it and you would make a hundred times more than you would on the streets be proud of what you do these guys in the neighborhood they sweep streets they work for the city all their lives they got pensions they got insurance they got homes right and definitely don't join any you have to respect everybody and what everybody doesn't kill or violence on a lot of these shows i don't know if you guys hear me talking about and it's important everything they're saying here's the thing the kids miss that we all know from all the joints we're in all of us they don't want to work at mcdonald's on the street but you'll go to jail and clean toilets you'll go [ __ ] seven cents a day yeah show up do someone's laundry i work for two dollars a week i should get in the state two seven dollars a week every that's what i got do something positive out here so you don't got to do that in there and then you know education listen i always talk about education second thing is if you're not sure and you're on the ropes follow a kid just recently i put up on my instagram derek you see him with me on some of the shoots his black kid comes from lives the homeless for a while his mom got killed and uh was murdered and he had a real rough life and he went through some things and he put a tape up go relate to somebody like that if you can't relate to me or him or him find somebody you can relate to and then follow what he's doing that mind strength not to get into the street because this street's a dead end you're gonna end up like all of us or dead so you know you gotta follow follow somebody besides the education and then understand if you don't wanna work you're gonna go to jail at work it's not like years ago you could stay in iraq if you do that now they put you in a hole so you know you're going to go to work in jail does that make any sense working with seven cents when you can work somewhere else and get a job yep yeah beautiful i want to you know listen i still have money coming in every month my family took care of me but i still worked in prison yeah and i was proud to do it buffing floors you know well it even passes time for you too it does it's mentally that's why i did it i couldn't take being but the pay is is not thoughts it wasn't about that but it's just taking pride in yourself and doing something you know because you learn you got to learn the highways and times you know we were undisciplined let's say the truth oh we know our business we know our business what we had to do but basically we're on discipline you know get that discipline in you i feel bad because i watch now what's happening with this black life matters nonsense you know the blacks are great people in this country they're in politics they're in the military they have doctors they're loyal they're everything these people they're a big part of this country and yeah it's sad some of us even like all different nationalities and then this is these were you know we grew up in a gutter what are we going to do we want to fight our way out but how do you fight your way out of this you go to work you do the best you can you understand we all wanted the fast way and look what the fast weight brought us but i'm going to tell you something because and we try to stay off politics here but i'll tell you one thing you tried getting a million man march with white guys yeah you get 10 people show up that's right black community actually these guys and i'm friends with a lot of guys and i say it every show you get a million people like it's this they stick together and they don't and and they're a great thing is they're 100 yeah they have something inner strength that i think a lot of times people lost that their way of banding together that's why i'm always talking about unity and i talk about these kids that if you're smart enough and you work hard enough you can do anything you want it doesn't have to be uh like we ended up it doesn't have to be because we didn't have structure that's why i talk about armed forces you go to jail you don't you you get structured yeah if you go to the armed forces you get structured in a positive way that's right we just uh uh you know guys that didn't want to follow a good path man that's there's no answer for it besides uh doing the right thing with your life and that's with structure and hard work yeah that's what they need education beautiful well thank you gentlemen for uh taking the time today polly bobby anthony uh pleasure to have you guys on the show i can speak for these two and uh is there go ahead plug away anything we got to plug away well again i want to plug away kcl automotive if you need a car if you need work done if you need uh stickers if you need tires my cousin's uh there at 98th street uh 98 henry street uh east stroudsburg pa anybody needs to get in touch with him the number is can you read that 570-534-8497 you can reach me at john elite officially or john elite.com website and you guys tell us if you have books i think you got some books and stuff out and i wanted a different thing i said i just have an author a guy that was a local guy i knew the family my whole life uh joe bradley he's written six novels and um they uh he's got six novels that he's written out when he's just started our process of our book um excellent author excellent books i mean i read one book ticket to paradise in one day great book and we also have some uh screenplays on one of his books that we're trying to push into the uh into a movie that's one of the projects we're working on but excellent author uh joel bradley he's all playing it those guys absolutely i said you have an inspiration with this guy yeah instagram is my name anthony rolotta yeah um and uh yeah check that out bobby plug away i'm in about a half a dozen books and uh the last book i was in was uh ghost by uh rafa zulu he's an author from new york he's in california now in uh the book that he just wrote ghost uh sylvester production company picked that up oh really they're either going to do a netflix thing or a movie with that and it's nice because i'll be a big character in that book you know that's the fbi agent that got me wow so i got in touch with ralph and uh he's starting my book right now okay he's got a proposal ready for it you know but with the culvert and everything that's going on right same situation you know we don't know when this is going to come out but that's what we're working on right now and i was also talking to anthony pauley of maybe doing some type of podcast up in boston well we'd love for you to do that yeah definitely you know so i got some connections up there i just want to see if i can get this thing together for us you know it's just nice to come on and talk i was doing some things because i was a pastor for a little while you know and i got the uh facebook page on the rolando esposito i'm sorry youtube channel is that what they call it yeah i don't know absolutely how does people get in touch with you can they get touched without getting in touch with us throughout all the shows you have an instagram huh yeah i gotta stay around bobby louise [Laughter] uh what was that what did you ask me johnny well how can people get in touch with you a lot of people find me on facebook okay okay robert alonzo luisi they find me on that way that's how i did a few of my shows oh you know i have a book right now on amazon the last generation by alonso esposito it's a christian book i break down from the book of genesis all the way to revelations i wanted it to be an easy reader it's a summary of my teachings that i used to do you know because while i was in that got a degree in theology wow really yeah i did i wanted to really you know i really pushed into that you know unfortunately when i came home and i started to get into the church and pastoring and the tv uh it ate up a lot on my money yeah it's really hard to get into the ministry part of it you know but i really enjoyed that yeah you know so uh probably any any social media plugs um no but i'd like to get back in touch with our people from harvard university and see if they want to do a follow-up documentary see where i am now you did what was the will you tell people what exactly you did with harvard um it started off as a six-month study three months the last three months you're locked up in three months when you come home and they just found out like that they really enjoyed being around and seeing the way i was and uh turned into a two-year study turned into a documentary and um it was by natalie smith and it's called a walk through the jungle and it's with me and two other men um different ethnicities and ages and stuff like that and the struggles become true when we're first coming home and then after we're home and um it was really amazing uh it was shown worldwide actually last time i heard they were showing it in australia remind us the title of it um i walked through the jungle and it was natalie smith nice man yes it was beautiful baby people check that out um gene oh my god i'll let you uh uh you can contact me at my instagram geneboy666 and um also i have a book in the works it's gonna be the first modern day mafia book and it's due out within six months nice isn't your author coming on with us soon yeah uh who helped me with the book louis romano i also have to give a shout out to the guy who helped me write it i was in jail with him teddy d with toro i mean you good friends with him philly tested a chicken man this is real i know he's actually really smart and he's actually a waiter when he was killing people for the mob i know he won a case for me too yes you wanted casey this guy was great though huh yeah yeah it is right yeah he was just weighed up farmers he killed the mob boss with a nail bomb this is real story um he helped me write my book um he shot me every day uh for a couple hours a day for about a year we did it and now lou romano who's coming on and he helped me fix it up a little bit and it'll be out soon the remodel will be on the shelf soon too awesome beautiful and people can follow me on instagram felix.laveen and uh people listening out there again make sure you subscribe to the youtube channel and the patreon channel which is our new platform we'll be releasing all our episodes early on there it's so much better than anything we've used in the past you can be able to stream every show for the johnny and jean show on your phone tablet tv they have a fantastic app it's really the number one uh app for creators so make sure you subscribe there and uh we're gonna put the extra content in there right everything's up there so we'll show when we make felix on that and that it's gonna be an honor when they straighten me out [Laughter] that was good guys perfect [Music]

Channel: John Alite

Views: 524,803

Keywords: Felix Levine, John Alite, Anthony Arillotta, Anthony Arillotta Boston Mafia, Anthony Arillotta Mafia, Bobby Luisi mafia, bobby luisi, boston mafia, Gene borrello, Gene Borrello mafia, Johnny and gene show, John Alite John gotti, Gambino crime family, Genovese crew, Genovese family mafia, Bobby Luisi & Anthony Arillotta

Id: 24LZoAvDCtQ

Length: 110min 34sec (6634 seconds)

Published: Sat Oct 10 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/MyGFhasabigbuttAMA]

Neither of these guys were bosses, why do these guy feel the need to enhance their former status? It's well known that Luisi was a capo, and the idea of him breaking off from Philadelphia and there being a 2nd independent LCN in New England is outlandish to anyone who seriously researches this stuff.

Arillotta was never confirmed to be the capo of the Genovese Springfield crew for that matter. The feds identified, and later indicted, Felix Transghese as the capo of that crew.

[u/WebSir]

First time a video from the Alite and Borrello show that was actually enjoyable

[u/ima_bearcat]

I actually enjoyed this. With so many guys from the yester-years of LCN in prison or dead, it’s pretty wild to hear their stories, with some fabrication I’m sure. That’s to be expected, they’re all ego maniacs. Regardless, it’s something different when just about everything we have to look at is stuff we see all the time.

[u/cosmorocker13]

Gene is an idiot he keeps interrupting and trying to make the point that stupid mobsters are thee most respected

[u/esp-n]

This was actually good. Anthony and Bobby were two well known capos in their time. These guys don’t glorify this shit like Franzese and these other guys. You actually don’t want to be in the life after hearing this.

[u/mrcornrat]

That’s big pussy

[u/nzin00]

u can jus tell that luisi nd anthony dont really rate gene. as he is more small time. ther barely any interaction with him. decent podcast although u have to keep in mind these are all rats/cooperaters/informants. so nothing is reliable. nd everything coud b biased