Confessions of The Mafia Hitman for Tony Spilotro

you hear a lot of different stories about all these mob families when you've got five different families out there like New York you run into problems you've been a tough guy since you were a kid coming up when I grew up my father was a real tough guy it was a driver a wheelman and a killer and a killer of course it bother me I think about the faces all the time how do you process it as it happened when you're sleep and done it's over with there's nothing I could do I can't you can't bring him back he's then clean your dirty laundry now I'd have fall out of a tree I've heard that term used too many times if you've seen the movie Casino the guys had the Vice and come on I didn't do that well let's say Tony doesn't roll when you use that word that's like snitching is the same thing exactly got it we got a big robbery it was a bank we didn't count the money as we were taking it out with Trude in duffle bags I was 18 years old I had never seen that much money in my life then the bad news came that's when I really learned about the Chicago Outfit here regardless of what you Aaron this is true story [Music] so today we have another former mafia member from Chicago that moved to Vegas to work with Tony Spilotro Frank Cullotta is his name and if you don't know Frank Cullotta is Frank Cullotta if you've seen a movie Casino Frank Vincent played the role of Frank Marino which is really Frank Cullotta and he was running with Joe Pesci who played Nicky Santoro which in real life it's really the story of Tony's pilâtre and there's a lot of different things we're gonna talk about today you know a lot of different stories a lot of different backgrounds the difference between the New York outfits versus Chicago and a bunch of other topics so with that being said Frank Cullotta Frank thank you so much for being a guest here on value tainment appreciate you for coming out so so Frank you know you you hear a lot of different stories about all these mob families New York Chicago all these different outfits what was the biggest different culturally with Chicago mob family versus the ones in New York you know I don't know how to answer that question to be true fortune we're a bunch of Italian people if that's what you're looking for and we stuck together we had values principles we live by and we had one boss we didn't answer directly to the bus we had several under bosses that we answered though he was far far in a distance you know but we know where the messages were coming from so you think so that's one of the things I wanted to touch up on so New York had five bosses well lucky kind of divided everybody up and everybody went through the five bosses and then they would come kind of work together Chicago was under one boss what do you think was it different and the benefit of having one versus seven five one boss one leader let's say it's not as confusing for sure when you got five different families out there like New York had you run it the problems everybody's got different things different ther thirties in Chicago there's one boss you know what he wanted he had different made men around him they recalled main men and these guys had territories so if you work for one and he's made men you he was getting the orders from the underboss of the head guy at that time was Paul Ricca mm-hmm he was the boss in Chicago from 1962 to 1970 though they called him Paul the waiter Ricca Ricardo went into retirement but as soon as Rico went back to jail or died I'm sorry then our Carlo takes over temporarily and then he puts somebody else to control things and at that time they use the guy by the name of Jack Cerrone and then when Jack went the jelly I mean he could go in and add then he is Joey ayyappa another boss and Joey ayyappa goes all the way back to Al Capone isn't Joe we all said the one that ended up putting the hit on spilatro because he was too concerned about what's taking place here in Chicago here in New Vegas joy you posed in penitentiary at the time for for the Las Vegas skin if he was out Tony would have probably never got murdered the guy that put the hit ant on his flight row and his brother Michael was named Joe ferry Ola we should call him John the gold white but why did he see Julia you could did a lot of articles talk about the fact that Joey put the hit show up was in jail he was very close to Tony very close to Tony and that's one of the reasons Tony wood became the guy he was because of Joey ayyappa the only thing I believe that Joey iopa was thinking about at that time was getting out of jail I mean he's an old man they put him in jail got it got it so he was a boss in jail so okay so let's go back before we talk about some of the Vegas stuff you know when I read a lot of stuff on you is Frank I mean it's you been a tough guy since you were a kid coming up it's it's what I hear about so coming up in the streets of Chicago who were you in the streets of Chicago quick like if I knew you had 12 13 14 years old who was Frank just the tough guy that didn't take orders well from people that had a sort of a complex about born thick glasses at the family's throat thick glasses so I had a complex overnight famous in a New York second you know and a lot of people would say he's the tough he's a tough guy don't mess with him referring to me I never heard that but later on in years I used to hear all them stories so in who were your parents what did your mom do my father was killed when I was eight years old in an automobile accident he was being pursued by the police my mother was a wonderful lady she was a housewife took care of us she was eight months pregnant with my brother at the time my father was killed in his automobile accident and I had a sister an older sister five years older than me my mother did the best she could do she was left a little money but you know the money runs out so yeah she never works so she had a fine a job and she was good she never wanted me to be the way I turned out she never wanted you to know that she would never take no money Frank was that in your environment I don't Lordan know what we're was the mob and the Mafia around you at all or no listen when I grew up my father was a real tough guy had he was a legendary guy everybody know about Joe Collider that was his name sighs they heard his stories about my father he never want to be connected to the Chicago Outfit although he did things for him he just never wanted to be connected because he didn't want anybody telling him how to live his life as I was see that's the things I learned I didn't I sort of wanted to be like him he was a driver a wheelman and a killer and a killer I am he was a killer from these stars there and of course he's not gonna tell me this his friends and relatives not my mom and my mother relatives maybe distance cousins so I idolized them but he isn't what drove me to be the person I turned out to be I hung it in a bird were I used to see all these old-time smoking cigars had the fedoras and their ad trenchcoat stop Coons nice cars never working beautiful woman around him I thought maybe this was the kind of way I wanted to go to be like them but I don't want to be connected I don't want to be a gangster what age did you see that and what age did you start seeing the fedora you're not at 14 at 14 15 and your and your dad died when you were 8 correct and when you were 8 you had a brother that was coming he said your sister's five years older than you that's correct and so let me ask you what impact did it have when you heard the story you're eight years old you hear this story mom somebody tells you dad just got into an accident cops were chasing him how what kind of an impact it because this is a man you idolized what did that do to you it hurt me to lose my father of course sure trouble me deeply really bothered me the impact it had was not as far as getting even with the police or anything like that none of that I admired him my mother always told me don't believe all the stories you hear but I hired my father and I course I believe them stories so it had a big impact on my life I thought about it years later and I think it sent me in a direction I went did it produce any rage at all or no was there anything like you know because it is I'm gonna want to be like my dad even more than I wanted before well I did see a lot of rage in my father I seen a lot of rage in my father my mother was never struck by my father he verbally screamed at or all the tankers he was a very jealous man my mother was a very attractive woman a very good woman but my father was a very insecure man and he scream at her he was particular about the furniture I mean and as a kid the sticks in your my lane is developed when you're sick yeah of course I'm 8 years old so but I never done that things see that as far as hollering at females as I got older because I think I learned from that some people go the opposite direction interesting but I learned from that but I still love my filer and I never seen him stealing I just heard stories about him stealing and killing people and stuff like that and that was fashionable done for people to talk about stuff like that and that's that was probably sent me on my way got it so it was a source of you know maybe inspiration but also at the same time a way of a life so you're 14 years old you've seen these fedoras you're seeing this lifestyle you're kind of a kid that you don't want people to push you around and tell you what to do you're build a little bit of a reputation what was the first experience on how you started getting close to the family the Chicago Outfit yes that family well of course I knew they were around all the time and you'd hear stories about them and then you see these individuals and you would start a Meyer in them and then my friend that I start hanging with at the time we were shining shoes together it's a known story it's in one of my books his name was Tony splotch oh and he was a tough street kid he had five brothers and we got a confrontation you a Tony oh yeah and shiny shoes different territory and then we come to find out that his father and my father were good friends from the old neighborhood let's say and we became friends Tony and I it's something like you would see in a movie but it's true and we realized that we were gonna be friends the rest of our life which we were and we fought together we stole together we beat up people together you fought together or you fought - you fought other people other people you never fought each other there was with his father's reputation like your father no his father his name was Patsy his father was a hard-working man he owned the restaurant and the neighborhood the old neighborhood grand and Acton and he was famous for his meatball sandwiches the reason being that my father and him his father got I launched the well my father used to go in there everybody liked Patsy one day Patsy told my father he says the black can't I don't know if you people are aware with the black can is there a bunch of grease balls that first came here many many years ago before there was a syndicate holiday and aints the muscle their own cane meaning all the immigrants from Italy take money from him so they were putting a muscle on Tony slide shows father Patsy they go running to take money from so when they told Joey told my father say Joe he said buddies grease balls are driving me crazy he's they come here once a week if ain't got the money they're threatened to me in this and that's my father's what that a comer and he told him my father says I'll be here next Thursday or whatever there was so these couple of grease balls come in there they couldn't speak English you know it says I've what I call grease balls what yours is like 40 oh yeah I was I don't I wasn't even in existence though that's what I'm asking so it's prior to your existence like you're not born yeah I wasn't even born yet so they went in there and my father was in the back room with another couple guys and they start threatening Patsy splat Joe my father and the other guys come out of the back room and kill these guys took him and dumped them somewhere I don't know but kill him and dump them two guys yeah two guys okay from there it went a little further then they went in got the leader bad guy and they caught him in a motel room he went on to run him and his wife and they caught him in a motel room with his wife they didn't kill the wife they killed him in bed and that ended the black hand in Chicago that ended it here regardless of what you arid this is true story that ended then the Chicago Outfit came about all right Capone and so on then it start come about and my father was the recognized individual and he didn't want to be part of any kind of an organization what was his reasoning for that because we were all Italians what are you want to bother your own kind for hardworking people that are selling fruit and vegetable on the street and you come her from the same country these people come from and you want to humiliate them and take their money do like they do say he's got Manny to protecting them got it interesting so so then us pilâtre start doing things you guys are fighting people you're doing all this other stuff together and he also had a reputation said he five brothers and then you worked and when did when did the money making a process start for you when you guys start making some real money well we were making money you know it doing they call it the bank route you know this was later on but what happened was Tony how it's just the tummy he say Frankie one day I'm gonna be a boss in the outfit this is his words and you hear this all the time how old was he when he told he does we're not 16 years old Wow and I tell him I don't want to be involved with them people you know I want to do what I'm doing with Robin whatever Robin would other guys and he said well when I become a boss I'm gonna make him my right-hand man I used to thank you don't but I don't want to be involved Connie and aces okay okay okay and were 18 years old and one of my books don't he come a guy I mean he said we got a big robbery I want to include you in Anna and Richie Richard Garmin Vicky garment they call it he was the guy that I brought around it was a thief he says we're gonna go with three other guys you don't know I said I never robbed with strangers he said sir I know these guys they're from grain and actin meaning the neighborhood I was born and raised then so he went down there and we met the three individuals one of the guys became our boss in later years his name was Joe Lombardo they call him Joey to clone very phase in jail now doing that your life so we went and we met these three individuals and then we drove all of us the Indiana it was a bank and I thought we could rob a bank in Illinois why don't we got to go to Indiana days we're gonna Rob the safety deposit boxes in the bank in the vault so we cased it out we cased it off for a couple weeks it was a very difficult robbery very time-consuming because we had to go that a building next door to basement your double foundation and the into the Bynum in a bank and go true to Florida bank and go into the vault just like you would see in movies we've done it then with tools that weren't as modern as they are today and we got in there we didn't count the money as we were taken and I would shoot in duffle bags we got back to Chicago of course there was two cars I don't want to go to your whole thing it'd take forever today about it we got to Chicago we counted the money and a bed we in this guy's place one of the guys that was with us it was an a full-sized bed the money was like a foot I covered the whole bed all denominations and jewelry I was 18 years old I had never seen that much money in my life 750,000 cash and it was like I didn't know we didn't know the value to jewelry there was like a million in jewelry and I thought well I'm rich I'm a millionaire and we all thought that then the bad news came that's when I really learned about the Chicago Outfit Joe Lombardo says you know I'm I worked for the bosses I run crap games dice games he's we got a kick in 20% I saying given nobody shit Tony says Frankie we got it he says they'll kill us we won't be able to spend the money they say giving it them no money why should I give them no money I said we rob the place they don't know about it he's real joy he's gonna have to tell him he says you got we got to give it them so I sorry if that's through it one of the guys they want to give it up I don't know whatever happened to him I never seen him again after that really I never seen him I know that I got my 20 person I know that I got my money the jewellery we wind up keeping the money out of that now Jana you know you and jeweler if it's worth the Civ estimated value five million dollars you're luckier I end up with 25 percent right yeah so how just to get it is all right so I wind up with like 50,000 I'm 18 years old fifty thousand seven hundred fifty thousand dollar robbery but still it's a lot of money in 1956 that's a lot of you know yeah so I was you know happy to get it and and that's when I learned about what they should get and then I learned again that I had to give 20 percent I always knew it but I mean another big robbery the first Brinks truck robbery in Chicago history I done with five other guys an armored car and we wind up with 360 some thousand dollars and then all of a sudden we had to give another 20 force up to the outfit and I told pops peanuts pants go he was like one of our guys that put the scar together is we gonna give that the guys in Cicero 20% I smiled on these guys they're making money they ain't doing shit sorry to keep the money in my house until the two guys coming picked it up they're 20% they brought it to the boss so that's the way it goes in Chicago you know if you make a large score you got a kick in 20% what a benefit you get for that what do you get a return for that protection but actually what you wanted though you know I mean you just can't kill people you know if you got a scar that's big you going ask amazed this place connected if it is and let me know and don't they you know go ahead and do it of course by doing that you're letting them know what you're doing you know the outfit then you got to kick it in but if it's a small robbery you know you know you want to do you want to be a bookmaker and as I said previously I think I thought that's where the biggest source of income came in Chicago was illegal gambling not drugs or gambling who was the first that got into drugs or no one ever got into drugs yeah it's pretty strange but I don't know if he's ever heard they call him mad Sam DiStefano he was the juice man he started out with a hundred fifty thousand on a loan from Paul Ricca he met him in jail and he said I'll marry you borrow me a hundred twenty thousand and I'm making a million a year and he that mmm so when he set him up when he gave him that money and set him up they needed to have somebody with this Sam because he was nuts the same mad Sam was nuts I mean really a psychopath killer so they put Tony splashier with him and Sam's brother Mario Sam was so bad he killed his own brother he did or he will he would vision younger brother killed Sam killed his own brother for what reasons drugs he was stealing drugs Sam got into the drug business I'm not varying away from this he wasn't a made man he was making him over a million dollars a year for the outfit so they protected their investment with him now they knew that he got into the drug business but they kept their distance because then it went that it's a terrible thing to be involved in in Illinois but yet they got the money in other words if he the prophet he would given them profit you know so much I don't know what it was I can't I usually tie it and that's when I found out that they were dealing these drugs true Sam only Sam at the time and then after a while the door opened a little bit you know a little bit more but the bet big boss says it was more like bootlegging going back to the bootlegging hey because there's a lot of money in drugs but stole illegal gambling was more money more money in illegal gambling than draw ran back time thought these guys are all multimillionaires from from alcohol to bootlegging days you know let me ask you frame what is the relationship at that time between the Chicago Outfit in New York and I know there was some stuff in Milwaukee and Florida and some of this other stuff but mainly Chicago knew you how did you guys view each other how did the families look at each other we got along ok that was their business Chicago is our business I don't believe that we ever need I don't know if anything I needed anybody from New York to help us or I know Tony hung around with a couple guys from New York and they were pretty nice guys what he done with him I don't know I know there was one guy des was sent from New York he was a young guy he was sent there because they killed his father his father's name was Louis I believe the sons name we call him Louie to mooch when they whacked his father his father was a hit man in New York the New York sent the son to Chicago with us because he was like wanting to get even for his father getting killed so they send the son to Chicago I never did like the guy as I was growing up I can't stand them he was one of the guys involved in Tony splotches murder 2 in Vegas you know in Chicago that's where they killed Tony Wow he was one of the guys involved in the murder and Tony was his boss interesting so did he end up getting even with anybody in New York or know who much he never got it on yeah yeah when he got to Chicago he was told you could open up these jukeboxes and these pinball machines pick a territory you know you got to kick it in so the kid was making a lot of money farm so Frank was the the families are still you know the money eventually is going back to Naples and come back to Sicily right doesn't matter if it's Chicago or New York I don't think Chicago money goes back to Chicago money never went to Sicily as far as I could tell you know why now what was the difference between why they were running nothing over there may have done it in New York but there weren't run on in Chicago so you guys didn't go to the voting every four or five years they you they were vote when you would go and vote in the family in Sicily there was no one from Chicago his party not that I know of interesting I can honestly tell you that not that I know of not that you know from circa okay I mean I would have heard I think I would have heard yeah because I was connected to all the big guys I should have heard I never heard it maybe it was that secret that I should know this pilâtre go to Sicily I don't know enables no no not a lot or no you never heard him I don't know he never one or you never he know the furthest place everyone was like Paris the UK and was for jewelry robberies jewel robbery right got it interesting so when does witness pilâtre become a boss what age I he really got involved when he was 18 and I believe in that I'm trying to think of the year when he became a made man I think it was in 1970 and between 74 and 77 so I'm not quite sure mid-thirties well he was born in May and I was born in December so we're not that much of a difference in age 78 both of you born in 38 yeah okay got it so so he becomes a made man and at this point what are you guys doing together you're still running together I was in an anti jell I was in and out of jail I got out of jail in 1974 I went in in 1968 for a robbery I didn't commit true story I got framed by the government don't say they can't anybody could frame you there were just so mad at me because I was beating all these cases they told me we'll get you they framed me and I said you framed me that's the way it goes I got 15 years then a lot of things happened a couple of other people rolled became government informants and what all these cases they start testifying me on about the Brinks truck when I read this that I wound up with 36 years but they combined all the years the highest sense they run up to currently turned out to be 15 years on the bump case the case that in every chain said that state and federal time 15 or six and the 15 I did state time I did four years they paroled me got it to a federal detainer total time you've been in how many or six years Oh total time 12 years you did another six why not yeah two years they're here there anything for murder or no nothing was ever for murder but you obviously you've committed many yes say that yeah not many I've committed murder do you know the number like a two directly to indirectly to directly to indirectly death does that at all cost a very famous one was a very famous one they called it the M&M murders is this the one with Jerry no it's the wrong with Billy McCarthy and Jimmy moralia Jerry you thought about Jerry Lisner I'm Tom i Jerry listen that's a different one that wasn't as famous as the Amana if you've seen the movie Casino the guys had in the Vice mm-hmm that was the M&M murders Oh make me a bad guy come on that's a pretty tough scene to watch in real life as that was jammed down in the Vice face forward down wasn't up I didn't do that but you were there yeah well let's say Tony done it interesting so so here's a question for you I was in the military and in the military you know you talk to Special Forces you know Delta you talk to a lot of these guys eventually it becomes part of your job where you don't necessarily look at it as I did something and I killed this person all right how was it for you as a first someone had happened like was it just kind of like this is my job that's what I'm supposed to do it was was there a part of it where you afterwards felt guilty you thought about the family the kids people them up or no cold here's what my job is I'm doing it I'm good to go well I didn't look at that as a job I looked at it as an order that I received I knew there was you don't get no paycheck for killing nobody you know I'm like and there was you know you get money you know you don't get a page you get stripes though yeah I guess you could call it stripes or a notch I don't know I never thought of it that way myself I thought of it was if they come to you and they tell you Frankie or Pete I want you to kill Pete over to her Harry you don't ask why they wouldn't come to you if they didn't think you would do it if you say no I don't want to do it you're gonna die mm-hmm so they come to you because they know you would do it for them that's that's a very common when you ask people who have killed whether it's military or you ask gangsters you know I mean in the middle at there yes it's it's very much more I don't feel guilty because it's an order I don't really do it somebody told me to do it when I try to tell people and people search like the military how could you disgrace their military I'm not disgracing our military but that's the way you would take it as an order from up above a lieutenant or sergeant it ever like did it ever haunt you at all with the decisions and what you did did it ever like middle the night you're like shit I really did know it bothered me I didn't I mean it's not something you relish on doing but after I rolled and seen the light let's say of course it bothered me interesting and I I think about it I think about the faces all the time do you really yeah till today oh yeah I could picture their faces like right now looking at you how do you process it like how does it happen when you're safe and done it's over what there's nothing I could do I can't you can't bring them back once it's done am i sorry for my sense you bet I am you bet I am interesting so so let me ask you so at this point you're in Chicago you're doing what you're doing at what point did you make your way out to Vegas I had several businesses going at the time in Chicago so brown in 1978 or the early part of 1979 I had a disco and I just got rid of it and Joe Lombardo I remember I mentioned his name earlier yes we call him Joe you didn't call him Joe a client does face you could kill so Joey comes in my place and he shakes my auntie's - congratulations and I thought he was congratulating me because we saw I sold a giant and I said yeah he said I got another stuff I got to do in life he's what he's talking about you're moving to Vegas next week and I looked at and I said well I got some moving to Vegas the reason why I knew what he was stalking but because prior to that Tony had asked me Tony swatch oh four or five times to move to Vegas with him to be his backup guy what's he already in Vegas or he was in Vegas since 1972 oh so way before you like seven years before don't forget I was a gel I didn't get out to that's running for years yeah that's right got it so I said alright I guess I'm moving to Vegas but I can't do it in a week Joe phases dude in his fastest amount of time you can so like in a couple weeks three weeks I did move to Vegas and that's when I knew that where my functions were gonna be in Vegas did I know there was a skim going on yet did I know I was going on at that time no I didn't want to know but I did find out of course they didn't why don't know that's one more person that knows that's one more person they can name so what I knew what I had to do I had to protect the hotels that the Chicago Outfit control there were four hotels was the Stardust the Fremont the Hacienda and the marina for properties that we control you know in other words they had a guy they put him in there his name was Ellen Glick it was one of these rich real estate developers or whatever he was I didn't know the guy personally I just know who he was and left he was in there he thought he was going to be in there to manage the gambling part of it but being they had a record he couldn't do that so they made him a charge of entertainment but he still was over to oversee the skim left he was Lefty he never watched him take it out he didn't know he just received the money as they say in my tour he received the money once a week and then he would drop it off and if you've seen the movie Casino mm-hmm that's the direction it went got it and what what ways did you make money here pardon me what ways did you make money here obviously there's a lot of different ways they make money there were several ways when I came out Tony told me that what my functions were gonna be to make sure nobody cheated in these hotels the shakedown bookmakers the guys that were doing the illegal bookmaking get them for 20% or more and I said well these guys are connected to guys in different cities don't worry about it he says just do it aces and you'll see what happens so I send my guys out no before that I told Tony these guys gotta earn a living if we must at least bookmakers you're getting the money they ain't gonna do it for naught mmm he said tell him they could steal out or they could do whatever they want in Vegas they could what steal Rob from you from them from öhlins businesses oh I see which was unknown at the time I said you sure you got the okay from Chicago because of what's going on on her you know with us and the money in the casino he says it's all taken care of your guys could do what they wanted though I says okay so I told my guys and man it was like opening up a can of worms so we got that name to hole-in-the-wall gang yeah so I did my little thing catching cheaters and hotels Muslim bookmakers sending that money back to Tony but what I found out and doing that the first guy was from Boston I went to put the muscle on my son Larry Neumann he worked for me mm-hmm he was a killing machine this guy he also came here from Chicago yes I met him in prison he was doing honor 25 years for a triple murder you only did 11 years where is he originally from some suburb in Chicago in Chicago yeah okay got it it was a crazy guy crazy crazier than Sam Mad Men or whatever sicker I should say sick yeah oh yeah he was a sick man hmm he would kill anybody he would do things to people that is disgusting hey I mean if you should kill somebody shoot him he would he'd chop him up and everything else sick man so anyway I told Tony this and Tony said tell your guys they could do this they could do that knowledge I say he said pieces then he told me sorry back off of his guy from Boston I said why is he paying up he said yeah he said talk to his bosses in Boston and they told me alright Tony look out for my guy and we'll cut you in and my reaction see see what the Xena game he was my aunt he tell them I'll protect your guy they tell Tony from other cities New York everywhere estate will take care of you Tony make sure that nobody muscles our bookmaker and that's what happened so we used to go out do this farm which opened up the door for my gain you know my crew what's the biggest hit you guys had here the biggest one biggest hit biggest jewelry I know you guys a lot of different things a lot of different things you know a couple hundred thousand in jewelry maybe eighty thousand in cash you know but it was plentiful in other words at that time nobody people didn't report to the government their tips and they keep this stuff in-house I mean I opened up a restaurant at tree days out there you know it's all that we did was burglarized tree houses here yeah it was all cash and you had a restaurant open it up with the cash did you do anything with Johnny Russo at all or no I know Johnny rose so he wasn't a movie to Godfather he wasn't a movie generous is a good cash I thought Johnny resort thing I said Johnny you know what you are you're the guys that portray me I'm the real thing he's I know I know he's a good guy Johnny I was playing with him what year was that how long ago was that 78 79 Gianni was connected to Costello though Johnny years ago he had a relationship whenever he probably had a relationship well yeah but he know us guys yeah he had a nightclub here I think for like yeah it was a Joe and he had it he killed somebody there yeah yeah I lived at the Marie Antoinette when I first moved out her and he's the date a woman in that bowling the an Warwick mm-hmm you say so I see him every day in sightseer why'd you live there was it intentional we kind of like I had those in there okay so there's move daughter got it then I was thought I can't live there no more but it oh here's the situation cuz who I am the cops were coming they're constantly cops yeah great my place all the time interesting interesting so let me ask you I mean obviously this thing's going you're doing what you're doing at what point that things turn for you at what point did things turn with you and Tony I know FBI got involved they started kind of watching what you guys were doing that never bother me with the FBI being involved as a matter of fact they know it was like a security blanket you know who's gonna hit us who's gonna kill us with these Skype watching us all day long what bothered me as Tony was never contributing to our cases like financially it wasn't Tony's attorney Oscar Goodman that ended up being your attorney as well that he represented you right he was a he was a coal attorney you know our attorney yeah john mama was my attorney he was an adviser got it that's all he did how was your relationship with Oscar it was good at the time but Oscar got mad at me after I rolled and that's his business but I made a statement he's through a Rolex watch and it was a it was a knockoff it was a phony so one day when I was going to court I didn't have a tie so Tony said you got a VAT asker said where's your tie I don't work ties they were sport jackets you know so Tony took his tie off I said I don't make maths so Oscar says I'll make it for you so Oscar made than that and as he's making a man I'm looking at his watch I see that a phony Rolex and he's because I don't want guys like you to rock me so I said that and went all over the error you know after I rolled so it embarrassed them so then he said the guy don't even that I'm making that out of stay who cares and what is this in the 70s is the 70s 86 0 7 he was in the seventies eighties there early have you guys reconnected at all since dusk not at all there's no need to there's no need to he stays away from me well we were doing the movie he was anisette is to see me then come near me who would ask you the questions on the movie who was asking you questions I work right when Martin Scorsese oh you work directly with I sat in a chair right next stone so they were asked what questions were they asking you how would he use that type of gun is this the way you shoot somebody that's specifically a break a hole in the wall whatever we did you know in real life he asked me so anything you've seen in that movie was directions for me Murray said right next to me and how was Pesci asking you questions would frankly she did too and so did the narrow De Niro's well yeah got it and they were asking you what Vincent just had this guy act that their language like one particular scene they called it Vig Sato Marty what are you saying Vic I said we call it juice you know money you know he's collecting just this juice and then they were saying something about they call him I call it merchandise stole a swag he says something about swag animal vets what swag he says stolen stuff stolen property as we call it merch short for merchandise so I changed a lot of scenes the language not her scene Frank Vincent said you jerk-off you said to somebody and so Marty we never used that term we say jagoff just like it said Jagga so Frank Vincent has changes scene Iran is the drug I was especially Bob how was Pesci was she was all right I got along with Pesci yeah did anybody on the sudden you didn't get along with I love whatever yes sir so it's a good experience for you well I never was gonna become a director or anything you know sure hi I thought maybe one day to remove II never became bad and I was very close with Nic pledgee very close though he's a good friend that my neck so you know when you look at the history of it you got Frank Costello Lucky Luciano you got Meyer Lansky and you Bugsy and I know you and I were talking briefly about Meyer Lansky who was how was Meyer Lansky viewed in this whole thing you know you watch Bugsy and you kind of who he was or you watch the movie mobsters with him and he's playing this role and Meyer low-key but he made a few hundred million dollars how did you guys view Meyer Lansky how do we view him as Chicago because it wasn't a few to me as a Jew debt as a Jew that had a lot of connections and he made a lot of money Frisch Chicago Outfit and the New York in the Chicago Outfit oh well that's the way I viewed it that's why I thought about it whether he did or he then I didn't know but that's the way I thought about him and uh honey I gave this this guy a lot of respect over that you know so there was a lot of respect in the was he feud guy was he respected guy was he a feared guy I never was a feared or was he respect respect it him God Frank who were the ones that were feared names that were for you because it's a big difference that were feared names that were feared names where you say you know this person was fear like you take Sammy there you know you talk about the the madman he was feared you talk to families to find maybe a Larry Newman was a little bit off and he was it was a bit fear who else was the fewer person and it was a lot of guys Angela Petry Chuckie Nicoletti what's his name I got that there's so many names I'm losing their names young kind of field you know kind of yeah he didn't fear a guy like Tony Accardo because you know he would give the direction Joey I you people would give the directions Rica would give the directions and it's and stuff like that this is why Frankie Calabrese they came along Frankie Calabria no Frankie Calabrese when he was nobody nobody believe me when I tell ya and he was feared yeah Frankie come to me and wanted to give me alpha he went him he wanted me to excuse me he wanted me to hook him up with the outfit and I told Tony and Tony says I do it the guy Frankie was a machine he worked for your Union then and then Frankie became a fair dead man and there was a hairy element there was Butchie Petrocelli there was James Thoreau Rallo I could go on and on that's a list ahead there's a reputation of these guys that were feared they were maybe there were not the biggest earners but they were feared industry there was some of them were very big earners or that's me yeah and Heather's got it so you're following up with Tony I mean when you read about it you guys are best friends for a long time you guys been for instance you were in Chicago running the streets and you're doing the you know since 12 years old so when you read about it you see the story when the FBI came and you guys were kind of going through it and you're not saying anything you're not talking to the FBI agents you're not saying anything to him and you heard the recording you know what was it on the recording you heard could that kind of throw you off and what you're saying off yeah I was I got locked up and I just first day I got locked up I was in the county jail at Eric Clark Clark County Jail and I received the visits from an agent and he said we got information that there's a contract out on your life and I told to get the fuck out of the room I knew it at games they play so when he got to the door it's as if we could show you positive proof that there's a contract enter in your life would you cooperate I said I can't tell you that so I walked out of the room this conference room and they brought me down to I was I was in that dama Torre and they brought me to his cell as why he put me in his cell and he said because there's a contract out on you this is the Clark County jailer so I went in just before I went in the cell they called me back out and they said they want to see a back upstairs again I said I want to go out they says you got those I went up and when I went up there was a couple agents there I don't remember their names they had these real the real recordings and the air phones and they had transcript and he told me if you don't mind listening to it and tell me who you who's thought this talking at him say listened then he interrupted me so who was the voices I say can't tell you right now I want to see I want to hear old thing that's when I heard the voices and it was too familiar voices and the one guy said what's going on out there he called him D sharp for Tony he says it's not me it's the other guy at then I'm listening the other guy he's got to be referring to me I'm thinking he's like a loose cannon he's in the can right now they locked them up I can't control him he should be making too bad pretty soon he says he's the one that's doing all of that and he says yes he's then clean your dirty laundry no I didn't fall out of a tree I've heard that term used too many times so I put the earphones down I said I want to go back to the cell he says do you know the voices I said yeah I know the voices he wanted Tony is not at this thing are you ready to cooperate ace and that at this time I need to think about it like me and myself I can't the played it several things to do it myself physically then I says if I do that e1 mean anymore like suicide suicide I've absolutely because I never was brought up that way to roll to be not an informant there's a big difference between being an informant and a witness I never was brought up that way to testify and it rolled when you use that word that's like snitching is the same thing exactly got it guy wasn't raised this way so I says that I can't do that I says that first of all I don't have the guts to kill myself second of all if I did it Tony winds up a winner it's mean it's Plateau so I I waited till morning in the morning a ask the guard could I make a phone call he said what do you need ice I needed to talk that I'm agents that we're air he says we'll give right back there within 30 seconds the door opened I said Jesus Christ I thought maybe the agents were sleeping in the room upstairs well that's that fast they were there and I told him you know I'll cooperate they instantly moved me out of that gel put me in a motel I had harboured guards everywhere you could possibly think of and then they he started interviewing me the one game and he wanted me to talk about murders and I didn't want them they want you to talk about murders first the Shah sincere you are about being a witness you know and I said I'd this is something I've never done before I says this is our hard thing for you you're asking me to do ice I can't do it right now as I talked about other crimes then at the very end he says you got to talk about murders he says then you'll get your immunity I said but he says we didn't read your rights if we were edgy your rights and you talked about murders then we got you we can all you throw it but as long as we didn't read you your rights we can't all your thought that's something though I never know that sorry to take a chance what was I gonna do so I took a chance as soon as I said that he got up walked out the room he's another guy be talking yet as I walked into a fucking trap that's the first thing in in my mind because I can't trust these guys all my life for chasing me around trying to kill me put me in jail all of a sudden I said the bomber not a guy come in the room talk to me and I was with friends with this guy to Liz they the agent then assembly his name is your friend with them till till is they really how do conversations why she begins everything how would you talk when you're talking with the conversation we're friends we talk about everyday affairs mister we're friends interesting I build up a trust than me and trust in him get out of here I'm serious you FBI agent he's retired Wow several of them and several Metro cops enters then our friends we are to this day the guys same guys they used to chase me wrong trying to kill me weird looked at in a different it was a ball game we played it was a ball game they just had more people in their game than us yeah that makes sense Frank what did it do to you with your a relationship with Tony like how did you view this friendship now of nearly 30 something years 40 something destroyed me yeah it destroyed me that a friend would do this to me my best friend mmm I love this guy like my brother for him to put cast all the weight on me what was devastating you know I never thought he'd do that but he had to take the heat off him because he was doing wrong you see he got paid back in the end right yeah of course I miss the means I could go back to Chicago tomorrow and live there you could go back in about yeah no one would do anything to you bet I could really they know they knew back there they know a lot of guys back there said why would Frankie rolled there has to be a reason would cause them to do this he would never do that and I would never do that once he got the head was there validation where your credibility went up my credibility with who which sacado outfit look because they're not I would never go back there and try to be a gangster no that's not what I'm saying what I'm saying is so you're doing what you're doing you go on your roll man the right ability as far as what I thought yeah meaning so who's really the one so maybe it was Tony maybe it was you how did Chicago view you and Tony first of all they didn't approve of me Roland which they never would of course they would yeah they never would approve of it and I don't blame him I'm sure they wouldn't kill me if I went back there yeah they know I had to do what I'd done we're not gonna sit down and have past and share pasta together I don't have no fear of my life absolutely none of going back there at one time I did at fair at what point did that field go away took 23 or 25 years also the fears of recent like two decades that has gone well you dick you know when I went in it was yeah I've been 34 years got it so 25 years got it when I first put my first book got that's when I opened up the door what the day Tony died what was your immediate reaction what will called you like how what happened to you when they I was called prior to him being found so you knew this was gonna take player and and the news I was in the witness protection program and Mobile Alabama oh no but did you know that this event was coming or no you heard a date-date hey I heard I get a full like I heard it on TV that the splatter brothers were missing I said well I said well they're dead I thought to myself then I get a call from the Marshal Service and a marshal service says to me the FBI want to speak to you so I go talk to them FBI they come over talk on a dating come over we talked on the phone that same guy aroldi friend yeah agent he says Tony and Michael didn't show up for court do you know where they would have ran off go I said they didn't run anywhere he said you know that it's because ain't no Tony I says if I if I was a guess I'm a knight a turd that right now how do you know that it's because they know Tony ain't gonna run I said I know it Tony knows that you're gonna get caught sooner or later I've been around this guy on my life Dennis I know he's not gonna run he says really I said yeah you'll see four days later the body showed up in a guard field he said where do you think they were killed afterwards as they were killing off Carville he's worried I says probably in a basement some house where I says either it's Cicero Illinois or Bensenville why do you say that because we got people that live in them towns and you could lose stuff in their houses that was that interesting years later would Sammy the bull when that happened would Sammy how did you view Sammy I figured the guy had to do what he had to do I figured god he's got him got each room to the Wolves similar story yeah similar slurry yeah I never disrespect the Sammy I always felt as though Sammy was a man like me I consider myself a man is Sammy a man did you guys ever speak or no huh did you ever have ever speak or no us Tommy okay I got it you know Sammy's got his own private life I know he did 20 years the other guy you know but that's how do you get involved in drugs you know I don't know what the story is there final thoughts before we go into the books here what what is the you know conclusion you got from living that life obviously it's a whole different story today where a lotta that doesn't exist when you said you had a moment two years after you were you know you you rolled what happened to me you're like you know what this is not a life I want to live I want to live a change life what would what would those events what was that process like well you know you're around legitimate people and you see how they live and you know even legitimate people have a bad sight on you know and I start going to church and stuff like that I always I was raised the Catholic I went to Catholic school as a young young man so I went back to the religion and then I stopped going to church and I just know that there is a guide unto Jesus you know and I do my praying that's all hopefully is he's accepted me hopefully interesting very interesting well you know your story's a very very interesting story and there's a lot of different lessons in there you know I'm always curious different about the Chicago versus New York and what cultures they have on the leadership style but here's what I would say if you're watching this obviously you've seen on vitami we've done a lot of different mob interviews whether it's Michael Franzese Gianni Russo Oscar Goodman I mean I can go on with a lot of different lists that we have and there's a lot of exposure that we accidentally got into this market if you'd like to know more about his story he wrote a book called the rise and fall of a casino mobster we'll put the link below here but if you ever pay a visit to well Vegas you do personal tours apparently maybe tell us a little bit this personal tour so what is personal tour yeah I put people in my personal vehicle or I take them in a rented vehicle and I bring up to all the locations in Las Vegas there we shot the movie Casino the movie and places where people were murdered robberies and it's personal I'm in the car with my people you tell the story about white fellows everything interests and if they ever go to TripAdvisor and stuff like that they get my phone number you know yeah we got to put the link to TripAdvisor and by the way even the mob museum do you take them to the dome are museums I know your pictures on the wall at the mob museum as well did they go through that tour with you or no do you go there I don't I do speaking engagements yeah they call me quite off okay god I do speaking engagements there so what we're gonna do is we're gonna put the link below we're also gonna put his phone number below to find out about the tours and if you again want to find out more go to his book the link will be below for the book Frank thank you so much for coming I really enjoy talking you truly

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Length: 60min 36sec (3636 seconds)

Published: Fri Jun 14 2019

Reddit Comments

[u/RobertTheGenius]

Decent interview. Heaavvy Midwest accent haha

[u/Lost_Tourist_61]

This guy is always interesting to listen to, The Hole in the Wall Gang

[u/Houstonearler]

Was he ever made? Or just an associate?