okay I think we should be live in theory so we're gonna be doing an overclocking kind of walkthrough today this is something where the 3,600 T X T just came out and I said it was one of the best CPUs we've received from Intel or AMD just in terms of review sample quality normally review sample quality's all over the place we often get stuff that's not not amazing for initial samples so this one's good I wanted to walk through some of the process of overclocking and AMD rise in CPU so some qualifications and qualifiers here the intent of this content is to provide a more normal look at overclocking rather than the extreme liquid-nitrogen stuff we normally do so if you kind of watch the ln2 stuff and not really that into it because it's not something you do that's fine this one's going to target more of what everybody can work on and I do have a crazy system set up but I'll talk with that in a moment it's not it's not too crazy it's just a little over the top but but the process is the same so yes the I guess first let me know in chat if you can see and hear me okay this is obviously a live video for anyone who's catching the archive later this is not an upload so you'll hear some interaction with chat while we're going and I want to get confirmation that they can see in here everything alright I'll walk through more of it but yeah the objective here is I'm going to show you my process for when we get a CPU and three view what do we do kind of behind the scenes to just start ramping up try an overclock get it ready for the review so that's going to include how we set a multiplier for all core how we set voltages V core then how we work v core down to the lowest stable v core for that multiplier and then after that I'll walk through some one infinity fabric overclocking and the process for how I determine what's stable there and then we'll look at memory last hopefully if we have enough time so the reasoning for laying it out this way and I hope if someone has time maybe they can time stamp it into the comments below in the archive but the reason I'm walking through it this way is because with AMD processors they can get kind of complicated to overclock so you have looks like everything's good here in the chat so you have you know multiplier obviously you can do per core you can do per CC X stuff like that that's enough work as is for a lot of people who haven't really gotten into it before and then after that you run a 10-5 African if you start kind of trying to do everything what's gonna happen is it'll be unstable and you're never gonna know why and so the goal as with any point of troubleshooting is to do one thing at a time so that you can iterate and figure out easily what's stable what's on stable so that's the objective today now the qualifier I mentioned is that I'm not the best overclock or I think I'm pretty good relative to the audience in general but if you look at someone like you build Zoid Roman bearded hardware so Joe those guys are really the top overclockers but I'm pretty good at it these days overall so there's a lot of weak points I have like memory most memory tuning timing tuning is one of my weaker points memory overclock and in general is one of my weaker points but we're good enough here to show you some basics and that if you really want to get into it Hardware numbers is another good one those would be the four channels I would look at so their power actually hardcore overclocking is build Zoid bearded hardware for Rome and for Joe I mean and then their Bower for Roman and same thing they act the same they have same attitude so those would be the places I would go after this if you want some really detailed extreme stuff but I'll give you the intro the intermediate level stuff okay so let's see it looks like chats good bearded hardware is he still around yes so he this is public he's tweeted about it but he just had a kid I mean not literally him I guess technically he he he Anna's fiance had a kid but so he is not posting right now I'm sure he'll be back soon but that's why he's on a hiatus right now better overclocker than J question mark someone says probably let's get into it let's get into this stop alright so system setups over here I don't know if we might want to turn the light or something depend on how how the lighting is Andrew but I'll walk through the system as we kind of get into this and as chat fills in we are going to be using a 3600 XT and that's the new AMD CPU obviously for memory I've got some Trident II royal 4000 kit in here but we're not going to run it at 4,000 when you step down and walk through that later for the cooling solution if you can call it that that I have mounted it is what alpha cool is calling a 12 sixty millimeter radiator so it's three something's I don't know what is this or these 140 s these are 140 s so it's three 140 s per row and there's three rows so you can fit nine 140 fans and they basically I don't know if they've welded them or what the exact process is but they've stuck them together they've glued they could three large radiators together to make one bigger radiator so that is 1260 we have four 200 mil fans on it I do tactically have three 140 s on the back but they're not connected right now so they're actually just gonna serve to block airflow but that's okay for today for the reservoirs I have two reservoirs this is a pump res combo and then the other one is just a res just a large res so let get on the other side here this is large reservoir pump res and down here is a dual pump this is an EK dual pump so we actually have three pumps in this loop it's probably completely unnecessary almost certainly because I've run more complicated loops than this with two but it's built with some expansion in mind these are QT C's so quick disconnects are really helpful for quick setups like this but they do impede flow sometimes a lot and with the amount of these that I have in the loop that's why I wanted so many pumps because it's just there's so many of them it's going to impede the flow a lot plus we have some really long tubing runs like this one over here where it starts on the out of this pump and then it comes back in all the way over here so that's a pretty long run which is why running that many pumps this side there is a fill port back here on the 1260 rad so we've got that closed off then we have in and outs here and these feed only into the CPU now in terms of talked about this being a kind of like more basic overclock even though this looks crazy I didn't get any further than I got with two hundred eighty millimeter liquid cooler because rise ins just well any CPU you kind of start looking at like an exponential curve with voltage where once you hit a certain point like say one point four volts the requirement to get another 100 mega Hertz is like that and this from a two eighty wasn't enough to get me over the thermal threshold that we were on an T where we're starting to run into thermal issues with T die so this doesn't actually get me any further than a 2 ATM LC LC does which is the point of saying this is still a basic overclocking walkthrough even with all this it just makes it a little bit easier okay what our chilled water is something I was just water just to still straight distilled water and nothing in it 2080 TI for the GPU and we're not really gonna be using it but just in case we we do some stuff with it it's in there i me looks like people are filling in let me just tweet this out and say we are live over a clock and a walkthrough on the r5 3600 xt including a 50 fabric and memory Andrew can you see the display in front of your doesn't need to be refreshed oh it's plain okay cool alright so for this stream I will be taking super chats it might be a 30 to 60 minute delay to pay on how things go but I will be reading all the super chats and we also just listed a brand new shirt which is the one that I am wearing and that's the PC component shirt which you can find on store documents Nexus net so if you wanted to pick one up it's on the store it's got a bunch of let me try to not talk straight into the mic but it's got a bunch of small components in it like prm's MOSFETs video cards motherboards stuff like that and on the back which you're not gonna see because of my hair but the back hairs I can't relax its logo with some stuff on it that's linked in the description it's on strike Aaron's access dot net will this apply to the 3700 yes same same approach no Alan to overclock and we'll get to that not today but we will do one of those the with the new X ccp's I need to figure out if I want to do 3900 XT or 36 or what nice-looking shirt says jerky mcnaught II well thank you for the comment I'm sure it okay cool so I think we can get started here let me boot this up I'm gonna disconnect the OS Drive so that we can go straight into BIOS without needing to slam delete let's just start spewing water everywhere right now this radiator is it's got Andrew Colin said earlier that it's got a a water feature sound to it like those fancy waterfalls you might buy for your for your house or something you can hear the water trickle sometimes it's a very large radiator with a lot of channels in it okay how does this look on is one of those not spinning I'll fix that in a minute no oh is it okay cool first time I ever caught a live GN watching on my ten 700k ten five point three time point 3d even better I point threes pretty good hello Steve says Sneiderman finally got my mousepad from you guys shipped to Germany it's just epic with its blue framing thank you we worked really hard on that that's this this one right here that and I no one's talking about this is the wireframe mouse mat which is on the store it's a larger mat so it's kind of like desk width and dimensions are on the store if you're curious but those are on backorder right now and we still expect to get those in probably August we're about two weeks I had a schedule on them right now hopefully that holds up okay so what I'm gonna do right now what you're seeing is I've reset the memory tune already but I guess let me know how the screen looks there needs to tilt at all oh that's better no no I'm not really it's tilting up would be better up like this way claire's go on there that's as far up as it can go that's not bad okay so 4.6 is what I had in there for the review this voltage is a little bit on the high side I was trying some other stuff but let's just clear everything and start over from scratch we're gonna do one baseline run really simple stuff and immediately move on to overclock you know this is going to be a quote-unquote normal overclock this time not extreme so won't be any chicken clocking involved we're just going to go through the actual process I use for a basic overclock for a and your eyes and stuff so it is fully reset now this is a 3600 XT people like the monitor so this monitor we had to label the front of it cuz everyone always asked what it is this is a gigabyte ad 27 QD labeled the front because people always want to know what it is in the streams okay so yeah the 30 s be a cartoon stream that radiators huge yeah it's bigger than a lot of car radiators I think all right cool so what we're gonna do for baseline is run some really basic stuff and there's a couple important things I need to point out one of them is a lot of people around like Cinebench and they will kind of run Cinebench to validate a clock but then to claim up that stable sentiment stable is not like stable stable it's not really stable and I would only use this for initial testing of overclocks I wouldn't use it to validate once I think I'm good so this is what I'd use to figure it out and then I would use another application prime95 26.6 is a non AVX one you can use you can use newer prime95 for a BX you just blender which is what we do but anyway let's do a baseline score I don't know if our 20 might be kind of slow for this but we'll see if it's it should be quick enough I guess so we're gonna do a baseline full auto everything including the memory right now then I'm gonna go turn XMP on and we'll work our way up from that well that right fit in my Civic I don't know people are asking about chicken o'clock in that is they think the first time I heard that phrase was from 10:00 when he was at EVGA chicken flocking okay let me check some super chats while we get this number in your activity okay first one is five dollars Canadian thank you very much from amber Oakheart who says we see and hear you oh yeah thank you I'm glad I'm glad you do because otherwise that would have been a long intro with like no audio your OC vids help me overclock my 3900 ax and ramp that's good hopefully this helps even more cuz I want to go through a little bit more of it here I've learned a lot in the last couple months on this stuff some of the stuff I want to type in today I'm not I've started recommending at 24/7 you know without degradation or anything depending on the voltage as we get into but okay so 3851 we're just gonna write that down there is variants around around with Cinebench is definitely not a perfect benchmark and you should run it a few times to really tell but we're just gonna leave it here because I mean the point of the stream is not to produce a review it's just to do some some basic numbers now the next thing I want to use today is where you Cinebench for verifying specifically the all core overclocks to make sure they at least run and then the the other really important thing with with overclocking is verifying your numbers to make sure they're actually improving because sometimes you'll have things where we've got prime in here too you can see sometimes you'll have instances where [Music] with GPS especially but sometimes with there's some we've reported on with CPUs where the overclock will look like it's going high over the scores are actually going down last time that happened with AMD it was when we showed off under vaulting problems for people would under voltage I think that it's awesome it's so stable still have ol tidge but then actually they were losing points and so that's why you always need to verify with score between overclocks which is what i'm doing here today second application we're using this time spy part of the 3dmark suite which is now by underwriter laboratories and instead of using the full suite or graphics i'm gonna do just the cpu test we're gonna run it twice and log those numbers the reason i'm using this one in addition to Cinebench is i want something that's kind of similar to a game it's not it's a little its deadly more intensive especially the cpu tests but it's not it doesn't stress the cpu the same way a cinematic so Cinebench has basically no value for for memory overclocking you know i can't really see any difference there whereas times by as we tune the memory when we get through the stream of it you're going to see the improvements and times by from memory directly and that will scale to a lot of games almost one-to-one percentage-wise so this is a benchmark where it's doing a physics simulation it's pretty repeatable there's a bit of variance but it's not as bad as other applications and most the time it'll crash out if it's not stable sometimes it survives and you'll find in a real game that it crashes out but for the most part it'll it'll crash you out before a game would can we get hardware info voltages and temps we can after I get the baseline numbers that will influence the numbers which I guess is another nice you should mention a hardware info is a great application for monitoring I would strongly recommend it but either run it for all of your verification runs or don't run it for all your verification runs if you mix and match you're gonna wonder why score drops sometimes because it will impact the performance especially Cinebench okay so I just make a quick spreadsheet for myself and notepad so this is going to be CBR 20 and then this is going to be TSE score and then TSE FPS okay TSE score was 70 100 points been a while since we've used this one I've missed it it's a good one and then twenty three point eight six for the FPS so there's our baseline I'm going to boot back into BIOS and get some of the super chats next one VC gesture get to see you in chat sent two dollars and says Steve birth body pillows when never is the answer to that one asked lion-o's he'd probably do it ask him when you'll get a Linus body pillow blend inator with a blender avatar for his name her her name bond inator sent five dollars and said beer exclamation point with a beer emoji straightforward I'll give you that Noorie said to nine guys shout out to the mods on GM discord like gamer taboo let's do where I need to talk to this to so yeah if you are I'll get back to the rest of these in a minute if you are really truly new to all this stuff then the BIOS you get into is going to be I'm going to talk through some of this today and a lot of you have experience with our channel but I want to talk to you somewhat with some extra explainers in case we get people who find the archive later and want to learn so it'll have some basic terminology in it and and I apologize if you already know it so this is the easy mode BIOS normally to f7 to get into hard mode but apparently that's not true here it's ft this time so we're going to go into the more advanced BIOS couple basic settings that I tuned so you've got CPU ratio mode we're just gonna leave that all core you can do per CCX you want to get a little more advanced and maybe I've like a 3900 axe and you want to try and push one set higher than the other ratio is gonna be what we'll type in to get the the all core multiplier up so right now I mean this is just BIOS but it's thirty eight hundred megahertz and depending on the application how many cores it's loading that'll fluctuate so you might go up to like 4400 you could hit forty six sometimes stuff like that this one I think those forty seven hundred megahertz on one core loads and and that's why you'll get score regressions sometimes in single thread applications on Rison specifically so you might see your score go down in a single thread applications single core if your all cores lower so it's enable XMP it's the absolute easiest thing you can do this memory is not going to run at all at UH at forty without me changing a bunch of stuff so I want to set it to 32 or you're gonna let so it's 3200 megahertz way below what we're gonna end up with we're gonna end up with 38 and we're gonna start there well that memory do full-auto everything just let it figure out what it wants vcore all that stuff we're gonna leave alone for right now DRAM voltage I want it to be a 1.35 which is what it should be for XMP but it didn't auto set in this BIOS I'm this is not necessary for everybody but I'm going to set the fans to all max speed just to make it easier and because we're running 200 mils anyways they're gonna be quiet and then CPU vrm settings so load line calibration the way I used to do it is not really the best way I've learned over time I used to just set this to max where you get kind of a chart here this shows the voltage and once you hit a load go from idle to load your voltage will typically drop so with Auto I thought my head I'm not sure but I think Auto we typically see it fall from like I don't know maybe 1/4 you'll go to like 1 1 3 or 1.3 something so this will will sort of fix the voltage in place if you run it at the highest setting it might even spike up a little bit when it's under load what I've learned more recently especially if talking to build Zoid is that sometimes running a lower load line will actually be more stable than running a higher one I guess it has to do with the VR I'm trying to keep up with the voltage that is being asked to provide and I'm sure he's got some content talking about that but we're gonna go with turbo for now I think probably high is where you want to be ideally but I also did all my tuning with this one so that we're gonna go with that v core protection we're just gonna max out so I don't want any protections on this we just wanted to do what we tell it to do and same for current protection this stuff you might want to leave it on somewhat if you're not really cuz this will like protect you if you actually type in our own value like if you type in 1.5 v core or something and you've got all the protections on out depending on the BIOS you might have a little bit a layer of protection there for accidents but we're just gonna not type in the wrong number hopefully okay advanced CPU settings I am going to disable cool and quiet I'm gonna disable C States we don't want any power states we don't want any power saving functionality right now and I think we can probably ignore the rest of these spread-spectrum we're gonna disable and my experience it helps with stability I don't know the exact reasoning for it and then you're gonna find that's true for a lot of these settings and the overclock where you leave alone for now so it should be a a one to one I F under auto with 3200 for memory let's run that all we've changes the memory at this point ok I'm just checking chat does high ram speed to help with oversee it doesn't help with I guess it depends on how I interpret that question if you buy a higher speed kit of memory like out of the box say you buy 4000 and you're trying to reach a one-to-one with if' so you may end up coming down and yeah it'll be easier but it doesn't help with like the core overclocking it will help with the final scoring with fps and games is pretty big impact like 10% 11% sometimes what's the benefits of BIOS vs. rising master asks Christian Torres so I BIOS is just the older way to do it there's a lot more options in BIOS I like working with it more because I can see everything rising master you don't have nearly as many options presented to you it has to restart for a lot of things like toggle II and SMT at that point you might as well just be in BIOS anyway I've also just found it to be pretty limited so like this isn't relevant today about for extreme stuff it's limited to one point 5 5 v core you should not go that high unless you're doing onto stuff but that can be annoying where I might want to be like 1.7 for liquid nitrogen overclocking so there's some limitations to it it's fine though like if you want to just I actually do use it for you'll see it in streams I use it for rapid checking of frequencies and then I'll go and buy Oh Slater and apply the final one also for extreme overclocking rise and Master or whatever some software it doesn't matter what it's sometimes easier to to not apply an overclock or much of one in BIOS and then apply it in Windows just it'll be a bit more stable that way okay let me check Super chats like I said we've got the new shirts up I'm gonna try and shout out a few of the orders as they they come in today but that's the new PC component shirt we have on store dock cameras nexus dotnet and it's got a bunch of hidden components in there so we actually this idea was because a lot of people really wanted to see the Australia shirt design we did for the charity shirt we did for wildlife they wanted to see that kind of idea applied to GM logo you know always on the store type of item so that's what we did okay Daniel Silva 20 bucks thank you very much that is a lot Daniel says looking forward to learning today love your content my thanks to you and your awesome team well I mean thanks for the the support and for watching it hopefully hopefully I share something useful for you today we're definitely going for a bit more of an educational walkthrough today like I said at the very beginning of this you know the preface is I'm I definitely don't regard myself as an expert overclocker compared to people like like Roman build you're always hyper aware of your abilities so I would put myself more in a mature class but I know enough to get us started and know enough to do some liquid-nitrogen stuff so all right so where was our first one is that higher or lower it should be really about the same it is 3848 so our first score was 38 51 anyone not too experienced with this if you run into this you see 38 48 verses 38 51 originally don't be discouraged that doesn't mean there's score degradation it means there's no change there's there's variance here so and that's expected that is the intended result here all we've changed is memory to 3200 we even have all the timings I have no idea what they are they might be garbage could be worse than they were before and the point of logging this was just just to see what happens if there's any change or not but the one that should matter more is going to be 3d mark here like I said timings are Auto I don't know if they're gonna be better or worse but we'll tune them manually and improve them after this run I have you can check all this stuff in a hardware info but if' should be one to one right now okay we're gonna run that CPU only ok let's see well that's running I'll check the store order alright it's actually a lot of orders already thank you for picking up the new shirts so on stored our cameras access dotnet we had John from North Carolina actually pick up a PC component shirt thank you John we had David from Utah pick up a metro chipset station poster so yeah those are still in the store I don't think there's too many left I think it might be like 100 posters or something left but the exercise how many chipset metro posters are still up on the store as well and they bought the the video card component poster Johann from Sweden purchased a wireframe mouse mat thank you very much let me read one more and then Lucas from New York picked up the new PC component shirt as well Thank You Lucas okay so scoring this just finished the run it is improved 73 84 and the frame rate is twenty four eighty one eighty to go through this - so in times pi the difference between twenty four point eight one and twenty three point eight six our previous score that difference you know in a real game in scenario is just it's irrelevant it's not like you're going to see it it still sucks like it's not really consequential in times pi though this is a synthetic application built for this stuff especially the tens every decimal point matters the I mean once you get to the second decimal point it's not it's that starts to be variants but you're the intense that it is actually normally significant so you go like twenty four eight one just say let's say twenty four point one I would call it pretty significant degradation something's wrong as opposed to variance so this is actually despite being a number that's not you know impressive or much of a change it is actually pretty relevant so that's just from doing the memory 232 and we're gonna restart back into BIOS and start doing some more serious stuff now now that we've got a baseline see OC stream 3,600 XT would you mind grabbing me a glass of water so that my voice doesn't die in a minute thank you okay so I am I can feel feel my my voice too much bit too many videos lately with all the reviews so we're gonna do some some clock ratio stuff now and get into the actual core overclocking we'll start there what I like to do is I like to start with all core and I set a high voltage not not crazy but higher than I'd like it to run for 24/7 and then I start to bring it down as we determine the stability of the max core thank you all right let's chat saying we'll be changing your advanced settings or showing them again oh yeah I can show them again hopefully this is helpful I don't we don't normally do stuff like this mark says would you recommend using the mod mat as a desk pad or is it not very softer that it's definitely not soft the mod mat is intentionally gritty it kind of like grabs that thing so when you drop screws and whatever it'll grab at it a little bit and it's not like a hand comes out of it and grabs the screw that would be weird although very cool and probably marketable but it's got a grip to it so this is intentionally grippy I mean I'm using a mouse on it and it's fine but for gaming purposes we don't really recommend the mouse mat as a gaming mouse pad because it's not smooth at all we do have the mouse mats on the store for that the mod mats are meant to be like a really rough ruggedized working surface for building stuff it's good on a workbench you could use it though it's just not something I marketed as okay so here's how I go through the basics once I apply my initial advanced CPU settings which is going to be disabling cool and quiet disabling sea States anything that's like power regulation I don't want it I don't want any power efficiency stuff right now you might want to turn that stuff on later but if you're leaving the computer on like all day all night you probably he probably should do that but I've set my LLC and we do have a video from builds on our channel I think about load line calibration if you look up I think how load line calibration works gamers Nexus it'll pop up so you can learn about that and I've set I've mostly disabled my protections so now what I do is I'm gonna start with you know we've got 38 here now is all core so just from experience I this I'm pretending like I haven't really overclocked this chip before from experience I know a 3,600 should always do 43 for the most part it should probably do 44 so let's start there and then we'll go up to 45 and 46 that's how I would do it so what I would typically do is I start at like 1.4 for V core this is not where I want to be at the end of it some people are of the opinion that this for 24/7 you just could cause degradation on New Horizons silicon I don't really know about that I mean that's that's hard to really gauge from my position at least so the point is to see if it's stable and then what I'm going to do is try and bring it my goal is to bring it down towards 1.3 is where I'd like to be for this but we're gonna start high that way we don't deal with a lot of crashing right away just because that's kind of discouraging and annoying that's all I'm gonna change here right now other than this stuff I showed a moment ago so we're just going 44 and then 1.4 and I'm gonna bring the multiplier up I'm gonna bring the multiplier as high as I can at 1.4 and once we hit the point where it starts crashing I need to make a decision do I want to push the voltage more do I feel comfortable with that if it's 24 seven years probably not if it's like a one-off competitive thing then sure we could try it and otherwise once you hit that point the next step is to bring the voltage down so you I like to push the frequency up first with a high voltage and then once I find that trip point I bring the voltage down and try to find the most stable and sometimes you might have to bring the frequency down fifty or a hundred megahertz in order to get to a voltage you feel more comfortable with so alright let's run our twenty again and this I think should improve horizons a little tricky depending how many cores are active but this one's all of them I'll see you I love your videos despite always watching very late in the UK is pretty late there can you do a similar one on overclocking a 10-6 on ok we definitely can I feel good enough about that processor now that I think I could provide a decent enough guide on it so yeah we could do that I'd like to do a stream on that anyway what CP is this it is a 3600 XT I hope I have it linked in the description yeah I have all the parts on the bench in the description just because they're in use on this bench doesn't mean I recommend building this computer it is not what you would call practical because this is the cooling solution so this is like a micro ATX case panel and with which I guess would be a cool mod project but and then we have 4200 fans got a couple pumps and reservoirs this is not actually that crazy I was I was kind of disappointed in the cooling performance compared to like a liquid freezer - so I think it comes down to the water block I would like to try some other water blocks but it's just I can't get the heat out of the CPU fast enough it's it's not efficient despite all of the show so and I tried different fans and everything so I'm thinking a needs to be left or deleted or something better better heatsink 39 77 points so let's head he's done a half clock yet note we're doing doing that next after I established the process for this so four point four and one point four like I said we're starting high on voltage and low on the frequency and working up this is the exact way I walk through it and now we need to run time aspire get the scores there so I just like to collect the scores as I go and then compare them all to make sure like I said earlier you're really just trying to make sure you're not losing points because if you set settings that aren't stable you could have like silent memory errors in the background or something and I'll show an application to test memory and a little bit once we get closer to that I like to use mem test Pro it's really good it's I paid five bucks for it didn't really know anything about it other than build so I said to use this pin okay so we get some super chats de Ville Avaya thin trim good to see back says his power supply Steve going to be appearing no power supply Steve has has been removed from livestream duties for now because I suspect that so that's a Corsair a X 1600 I it is a very good power supply objectively but it's also a smart power supply and for overclocking I think some of the protections don't really turn off when you want them to like going from old rail to single rail so I stopped using it for now because it was tripping OCP so we're using a dumb power supply the EVGA a 1600 watt t2 which in this instance dumb just means it doesn't have any circuitry during trying to do smart things it's it's very simple it's built for overclock you know just just push this power and whatever happens happens you can deal with it okay so we need to write these scores down this is in fact an improvement this is how I would walk through it like I said earlier so if you're taking notes or trying to follow along I would log it the same way I actually let me try and give me a second Angie before we show this but let me make sure is that full huh I make that fullscreen there's better ways we can do this but this is how we're gonna to it so sorry for the primitive way to show this but this is how I how I take a log while I'm working on stuff so I'll type in like the settings I've changed I do a column for each test I'm running and then I just keep track of it as I go so that's how I would do it if I were you working at home physical notepad always works great too okay so we're good there let's at this point you could just ease rise and master if you want I still go to BIOS because I trust it more and I'm used to it but you could go to rise and master or some other overclocking utility I switch to profile 1 and we're gonna switch it to manual and expand CCD 0 so there's one CCD I don't have a deal itted ship unfortunately here but the CCD is like the the chaplet with the cores on it and then you have the IO die as well this has one whereas like the 3900 X would have to see CDs so rise and Master thinks this is our best core with the star next to it but what we're gonna do is just lock all these with this button here in lockstep and then bring it up so we're at 44 now is just go to 45 what I don't like is I don't really know exactly what the voltage control does in this program versus by us we're gonna run this it's about 4 5 now and the goal is going to be to bring down voltage like I said but you know you just want to see if it works first I'm gonna run a hardware info on one of these runs to to show you what you can look for there it's uh I have uh this is I can revolve around so let me just cancel that so if this open in the background you might as well run this first because it's open and then I close rising master should still apply okay let me catch up on the super chat for a second while that runs Nick Tevere $2.00 put that L on to to use and make some Dane dippin dots if you mean actual dippin dots I don't know how to do that but I guess it can't be too hard I know you can make ice cream with liquid nitrogen with like I guess milk and sugar I don't know what else you need if you mean pour it into the reservoirs which is what I thought of when you said that then that is something I considered it would be a horribly inefficient use of liquid nitrogen but it would make the water colder next one is from snake juice $5.00 Steve Roman has still not sent my wife that Oh eleven many help I think this is a joke from the previous stream if I remember correctly and if that's the case then I don't know if I would expect to get that 11 many but if you actually bought one then that's even more interesting because they're not out until August and Hori where is the G on patreon tick tock account or when launching I have no plans to I don't use Instagram Worth or tick tock I'm aware of their existence existence is I guess so 30 I wrote 32 on it I though that was for the memory right so 3,200 4.5 we're still 1.4 here and we write down 75 83 and we're gonna write down 25 that 48 so there's a very very marginal uplift that is a debatable value here but there's uplift nonetheless and then we're gonna do Cinebench our 20 and then next I'm gonna show you the stuff I like to use hardware info for without changing any further settings Sean D says I've got a five-pound bag of sand over here I think I know where this is going how many 3800 XT is can I trade it for which the X these were more impressive but we know what AMD is doing yes yes we definitely do a five-pound bag of sand I feel like is probably make a lot of 3,100 ex T's I don't know quite how many but you could try emailing Lisa su and asking her if you can donate five pounds of sand for making more CPUs and who knows maybe they'll give you like a free t-shirt or something in exchange for it not sure that it's not not sure that they're gonna just like grow a silicon crystal out of the bag of sand but they could always try so for overclocking steps at this point we're mostly through how I do the the all core stuff is gonna be voltage tuning after this which is where we're gonna get hardware info involved hardware info is monitoring software it's pretty good but monitoring software always has inaccuracies you're never gonna get as close to the real measurement as say the back of an ml CC cap on the or an LC z cap on the back of a socket for example the motherboard out yes so the motherboards gross because it's covered in Vaseline for overclocking uh what you don't need to do for this type of overclocking we're doing today so like these are all coated for insulation but you know those are the caps you could look up a guide or probe the V corvier I'm yourself to find one but ideally what you do is you probe two sides of one of these which can be a bit dangerous if you slip and bridge them and that would give you the the real V Corps but SBI 2 is really pretty pretty accurate and hardware info these days are good enough anyway depends a bit on board forty eighty-six write that down it's forty eighty-six that is an improvement our last one was thirty nine seventy seven that was four point four this is four point five so this is the process we would go through and then what I like to do that I haven't been showing too much here is run a hardware info as well and this for a few reasons so we move this over here so you'd see it first reason is this will help validate that rise and master actually worked or whatever tool you're using or BIOS even so you can see forty five here VI D we don't really need to pay any attention to today for the rest of this stuff other useful things would be I guess looking at like the usage for example in certain applications if you're trying to figure out what kind of core utilization you have the temperature is gonna be really useful which is T die so that's T die right there we're at like 40 ish right now so T die is the actual die temperature there's a lot of sensors on it my understanding is that this averages the sensors there's like hundreds of thermal sensors throughout the chip I don't know which ones it's averaging for this but that's the one that's important though and then you can check your memory clocks and here validate those there's another window hardware info has that's just a summary that's really good also this shows our timings so that these are Auto remember 32 and it auto them to 16 16 16 36 which is super Lewis for what this kit of memory can do 560 RFC's pretty bad also so will will have a lot of room to improve fixing that later RFC I like to with the better kits I'd like to try and put it down below 200 that's the refresh cycle time RFC is the the time between refreshes demand rates one and then what other stuff would be useful power reporting deviations in here somewhere and that's usually talked with that in a whole separate video so anyway what I'm going to look at right now is just T die the only reason I care about that is making sure I'm not overloading my cooler which definitely not here because it's running but if you're like you're trying to figure out how to overclock your cpu the first time keeping an eye on T die is advisable so you can just make sure you're with it like the confines of what your cooler can handle that way don't work all the way through these higher voltages and then find out it's a temperature you don't want to run 24/7 keeping in mind that it's it's probably not under the load 24/7 unless you do folding or something so right 79-80 it's a little high but rise and I my threshold for tolerance on on temperatures a bit lower than Intel Intel I'm I don't really care up to 90 or so 95 whatever I wouldn't recommend running it that way all day but just in terms of getting hi clock at Intel I'm I leave it at like 90 95 as if I'm really trying to be competitive with a normal cooler for 24 seven years it's totally up to preference but I like to see numbers below 90 for Intel mid-80s is fine whatever it doesn't matter too much there's there's some potential impact a lifespan but the more important impact is that I think about is less about the CPU and more about the cooler so as the system ages you get more dust in their stuff like that if you're in if you're at 90 already the minute something changes for the worst you're you're hitting t.j.maxx so I like to be under 90 for Intel and the I don't know I haven't really decided yet I keep it in the like around 280 if I can but it's it's a lot of its preference there's there's some science to solve it like avoiding t.j.maxx but I like to keep it towards 80 or below if I can just because I find that works a bit better for stability on the AMD CPUs ok so that's how I would log temperature we're completely fine right now let's go ahead and I guess we can do this through Ryze master again or we can go through bios either way this is gonna be the last clock we're setting here and then we're gonna start bringing down the voltage so again like I said exact same process I would follow now I would keep pushing this up if I were testing this for the first time I fire you and you're working on your system you're trying to figure out the max frequency I just leave this thing alone at 1.4 until you kind of hit the the peak and then bring it down but I've already tested this chip I know for six is it I know we're not gonna get for seven out of it on this cooler so we're gonna stop here and just pretend like we naturally found organically found the the limitation of the CPU in the cooler so 46 is going to be that last run we're gonna get some numbers we do super chats and stuff like that for a minute and I look at normal chat and a second to try and answer some questions okay so Tom keboola core cavil ik 50 bucks thank you that's a lot so just bought a mouse pad damn that's CCENT money and you bought a mouse pad well thank you great work Steven team no question even this it's not even a question I can answer how about like like Steve should I buy or wait for Eisen 4000 that's always a common one I guess we'll never know what I think about that because of Tom didn't ask thank you very much for the support though blend inator five dollars blender period drink exclamation point and then a a beer mug emoji doctor who ate 653 or 90 lies have you had tater tots lately if no why not well unfortunately Joe hasn't visited lately so no I don't think I have no I have not once once Joe's back we'll have to try and get some nori your thoughts most of ACC 490 our demos don't have PCIe 4 in quotes hardware compared to MSI gigabyte Z 490 boards also how is snowflake doing snowflake is doing well I got some new some new shots for playing with some cat toys recently I need to try and cut together for the other channel but yes the PCIe for hardware is tricky because technically intel hasn't actually committed to PCIe for being a thin for a rocket lake it's just like they hope it is but they haven't committed to it to the motherboard makers either so the motherboard makers like asrock and I guess MSI apparently anyone who's claiming PCIe gen for support for rocket lake is kind of going out on a limb where if Intel's like you know actually we can't do it we thought we could then those motherboard makers are kind of screwed so that's the reason the Asus has been more conservative about it EVGA has also been more conservative about it they don't want to claim things that they're not sure they can that that Intel can deliver so let me write this one down this was our last one so four six we've got it one for now we need to go through the process of bringing this down actually I need to run times by first because we like to have numbers for each step of the ways that I can verify everything later and create some cool data anyway you can share online or something if you do stuff this way and you share the data it is a lot more useful than what most the posts I see in forums are which are like I'm running 4.4 gigahertz 1.2 volts all day no problem and then they never give you any more information about what that really means so this would be a much more helpful way we do one more super chat then look at the normal chats lászló gear I'm gonna go with says risin 4 xxx or just get 10 900k gaming with 20 ATT I mean if you think there's a 1080 there's a 10 900 cake gaming part that would be good expansion for Intel so I mean if you're only gaming by your weight the answer I have is always always gonna be just are you happy with your system now if the answer is no it's driving me crazy it's slowing down my work or I'm not happy with the framerate with the games I play I would just build unless a launch is like this week or maybe next week I would just build especially because inventory is always questionable new parts anyway if you're pretty happy with it then wait now 4000 or 10 900 I don't know how good rise in 4,000 is gonna be I suspect it won't pass the ten nine hundred KS FPS if you're only gaming but I don't have it so I you know I can't commit to that but I would guess it won't but it absolutely could so if you didn't want to computer now just build one now ultimately the difference between them let's say 10 9 higher K does get beaten by rise in 4,000 I don't think you're gonna see like double-digit margins so if you need one now just build now ok so those are our numbers I've logged them all and now what we need to do is work on bringing down the voltage which actually I want to do that in BIOS because I trust it more to represent what I I think I'm working with any thermal test planned for a case full of hard drives now now that is not a test I've really thought of let's see do you think ACS is a more complicated motherboard to overclock I always felt like it was too stupid proof I can do what I want without any problems on gigabyte boards they're mostly the same like with AMD especially Andy packages this whole section of BIOS right here this and the overclocking one this is all provided by AMD all this they don't have any input the the board makers so that part standardized the obnoxious thing is that now you have an AMD overclocking tab and you have like three places you can access some of these settings it becomes nebulous as to which one is override in which which I find annoying but do I think Asus is more complicated I in a general sense now I think the really really high-end asus boards like the $800 boards have some features that sometimes I haven't been able to find on competing boards you know for the same chipset so they can get pretty advanced but I think for the most part try think if there's like I don't like working with the house rock BIOS but the big three are all pretty similar okay so we know that 46 is good at this point now what I'm going to do is I guess if you're if you're just joining the stream the kind of intro to this at the beginning was that our goal today is to to walk through the process that I actually walked through for determining a stable overclock on a new CPU and so our start was let's get multiplier dialed in to the max which is 46 on this chip and do that by setting a higher voltage than necessary then we're gonna bring the voltage down and find the point where it crashes so that'll at some point we're gonna get a crash probably couple once we've done that the next goal is infinity fabric and then memory so this is intended to help people kind of learn how to do this stuff so I already know roughly where the stability point is I'm going to expedite this but if I were doing this for real live I'd probably because I hate crashes I'd probably go down to like one point three eight and then one point three six one point three four I would keep doing that until it crashes so let's do like 1.34 do I need to change anything else don't think so first thing is does it boot that's the first determination we need to make it should sometimes they accrue during streams though oh I don't have the hassle season so we're gonna do that I unplugged these when I restart just because it's easier than hitting delete all the time okay reading the chats where's Xtreme GT 1030 overclocking I don't so here's I guess a insider story for the stream is when the 16:50 launched that like really boring card i from a video card manufacturer I got a fully unlocked BIOS that'll allow any power you could put into it I was gonna do a stream with it and we were so overrun with other hardware to review I never did but my goal was to do liquid-nitrogen overclock in with the 1650 because we could push 500 watts into the card if we wanted it would definitely blow the card up but I thought it would be interesting to see if it could be like a higher-end card okay let's start with the simple stuff and just run CB again and this is not a stability test I can't really stress that enough if it survives in a bench it doesn't mean it's stable Cinebench is not not a long enough workload it's not intensive enough I like to use blender for it you could use prime95 stuff like that and unfortunately the format of the stream we're not really gonna do it exactly the way I would so what I would do is we have blender projects we use if you have blender projects cool II probably download some you I would suggest prime95 as an alternative to this all it's a little bit on the abusive side unrealistically so but people like prime stable so you get prime 26-6 for non AVX or 29:2 or later more recent for ABX and you would basically just run that and and see if the CPU survives and I don't mean like is it gonna blow up because obviously you don't want that what I mean isn't gonna crash with the voltage so unless you set a really unsafe voltage you shouldn't be killing anything people I think are afraid of overclocking when they really don't need to be this kind of stuff that I'm doing right now there's no real risk here we're not we're not changing stuff that's gonna hurt it if you start setting voltages like 1.5 that's bad and also you shouldn't be applying the things I'm saying - like intel parts or vice versa because they work differently so this did this didn't pass like it worked with that voltage and what I would normally do is I would run like our blender workload and probably walk away for 10 to 20 minutes come back and if it's crashed and come back to the desktop then I'll I'll increase the voltage and if not then I'll decrease the voltage so if it's stable after say 20 minutes 10 20 minutes in prime blender or whatever that's normally when I created and then at the end of it what I like to do is maybe run it for like let's say 1 to 2 hours if we're talking not a production system I'd probably run it longer than that so you don't have any any bad crashes when you're doing something important but if for purposes of figuring stuff out a lot of people run it overnight - we're gonna do like 1.3 - I think this is stable at one point two eight seven get which would be about 1.3 volts set for this this board okay how many ketchup on switch eyes I see a lot of questions runnin I see like 40 minutes behind on the super chats meaning that you know I'll get through them pretty quickly cuz there's only so many per hour last one was on AC you say thank you okay got the five pounds of sand wine lászló says alright let me see if I can set something up while this is going on let's keep the camera zoomed out for a second because I don't know what settings are in here and then okay that should be fine okay that's fine so I'm just gonna run blender while this is going and we're going to do so I'm gonna take some super chat questions we can integrate it with a stream cleanly in that sense and I actually have this run a real stability test so we're gonna do is a 24-hour stability test or will just read chat and let it run I'm gonna let it run a few minutes and I'm going to open up with hardware info you can get closer on the screen if you want now we don't have anything important open so tdye is one i'm gonna open and then let's just this doesn't this really shouldn't change but let's go find spi - it's hard to see from here that's be a - oh actually it's unstable already so you see that that is not great the lag I just encountered there so that that would be a suggestion to me that maybe I need to increase the voltage it might be too low even though it didn't crash the behavior was not good so that's something to keep an eye out for but we're gonna let it go for a sec it might just be overloaded so I'm gonna keep an eye on TDI it is actually lower than what we were seen earlier it's because we've brought the voltage down significantly we're at one point three volts get now and that's on a set of I think one point three two or four and temperature should come down with that even though the frequencies up because the voltage is lower so we know that that run for a little bit let me take some super chats and then we'll get back to that one okay so alright answered Laszlo's already Jeff honors how likely is 3600 ram to not be stable with a rise in cpu asking with 3600 acts tough x5 70 36c 15 only say about 32 Ram isn't the issue they say you could have a bad memory controller I guess I feel like with the 3000 series you should be able to pretty consistently hit 3,600 with if you're asked Matt risin 1 I would say it's very likely that it wouldn't work with 3,600 but risin 3 should be should be pretty common that you can hit that so maybe try the timings I would probably go through like command rate go through secondary timings check RFC check t CW l check the obviously the primary timings and then voltage a lot of these boards you say tough gaming a lot of boards when you apply XMP will not apply the voltage that leave it at one point to so you need to probably bring up to 1.3 to check the RAM sticks but that's most likely what it is from t4 1.35 and then that should probably help you out but it's possible that it's the cpu I just don't think that's likely evocati productions good evening Steve tell ocular Moses I said he is still the best cameraman and master of Blender happy overclocking and did you have any commentary and just as thank you TCC Lavagirl t seek clever girl $6 no message thank you my stains my mat $20 been able to catch a few of these lately Patrick uh-huh human malware put my overseas job on a hold they say still getting paid so that's nice but able to go full-time on my own content I still have that 10 terabyte hard drive want a 16 terabyte I'm assuming you mean one that's been shot with a gun in which case if you have no further use of it sure why not we can use more hard drives that have been shot in the background going full-time with your own content is huge though Congrats on that I think my stains by Matt does car videos shocking I know but I did catch one of them on Twitter that he'd shared I had like 50 something thousand views which is awesome that's that's really good so congrats on that this looks to be a Mustang so I managed that as a long-term viewer virus this looks pretty good we haven't really changed temperature weird I mean 0.3 degrees is within room ambient change at this point and which I'm not logging today so it is running you know this is the point where let's just pretend this what's going on for 10 20 minutes this is the point where I would say you know okay let's let's bring the voltage down I feel pretty good about this that said I think I've I've kind of shown you how we would bring the voltage down basically what I do now is restart it bring the voltage down another couple ticks so I'd go for me one point three two to 1.30 set and so forth and you you verify the score and Cinebench or whatever you're using CBR 20 is good for verification to make sure you're not losing points and which shouldn't really be happening with an all Kouros here just in case and then then I would use a longer term application for stability testing so at this point you've seen how we do that I'm gonna go ahead and get into the Infinity fabric stuff now and for that we need to go back into BIOS let's see and read some store orders so on the store on stored out gamers access net we have the new PC component shirt let me grab a sample so there's the new shirt that we have on the store if you want to pick one up I'll try to shout it out no guarantees during stream but Thomas from California picked one up thank you we have a tri-blend on cotton of these this is a midnight blue cotton 100% then we have a black tri-blend if you like that more kind of athletic like lighter weight shirt feel Eric from Tennessee picked up a wireframe bistro-style mug Thank You Sergio picked from Florida picked up a PC component shirt thank you only read one more and Michael from Massachusetts picked up an x5 so many chips at metro poster I guess I'll show the back too so there's the back this is a small shirt but that's the back of the shirt like I said took some inspiration from our previous Australia shirt design we did so infinity fat we're going to boot into BIOS and then then we'll start tuning the eye off just connect the drives and then I'll get us in BIOS quickly what's chat saying I want a GN human malar mask i decided not to make those i felt kind of kind of weird making those not really what I do or specialize in all let people who know how to make masks make my husks ok so I F that's what I said we need to do so we're gonna go to the Settings tab and we're gonna go to and the overclock and accept and then infinity fabric there are ways to do this out of this horribly buried menu but you really want to keep one to one with the memory for purposes of determining stability though I don't worry about that so like if I'm pushing let's say I want 1900 megahertz because I saw people online I got nineteen hundred if I want that you you want the memory to be at 3800 so you wanted to be one-to-one memories DDR so you / - I guess but one to one to one with you clock em clock F clock and that would be the end goal but for purposes of figuring out where it's even stable what I do is I just start I ignore the memory and I just set the Infinity fabric the clock your goal is to really just isolate things and do one at a time so you don't complicate it and end up with something that's just frustratingly you know not booting all the time because then you can't really identify why it's not booting so I find this process works really well it is much faster than trying to do everything at once because do everything at once it never works 1800 is definitely stable on this but some people talking about having trouble holding 19 and if there's any tips there are some V DD G would be the main one and I'll walk you through that in a minute I am NOT positive the vdg impact on like lifespan long-term if you're on a higher setting but I'll show you how to get it stable on the last okay so f clocks up probably the you know Cinebench isn't really gonna care about this change so we're just gonna ignore the save time and I'm just gonna run times by to hit the memory a bit here Cinebench is something I used sometimes to just strain it enough to eke out a crash but let's just run that and if it crashes then we know 1800 is no good but I already know 1800 is good I'm just gonna walk you through it so that's how I'd stability tasks Cinebench is fine for this it's just the scores won't really be changing much they don't expect that but but it'll still crash if it's unstable fill heavy $2.00 learn to tons from your channel I want to say thanks well thank you I hope that this different approach the streaming we're doing today is also helpful to you and maybe you can walk with some useful information private Indrajit sin back again $5 thank you hello and good night I've been trying and failing to switch my sleep pattern to a day one UK but here's money towards pizza yes if you are trying to go to not sure if a day sleep pattern means you're going to sleep in the day or you have a normal sleep pattern but either way our content doesn't go up at predictable or normal times so it does make it difficult sorry area 666 $6 66 cents sir are you overclocking on AMD or overclocking on Intel oh I misread that we're over talking on Intel because they dropped the L on their marketing materials also what will you be getting Satan cables on the gamers an access store you joke but I was considering we have so many SATA cables I was considering doing something at some point maybe where we like include a SATA cable with every order or something I don't know if people care about that but I don't want them I don't think we could even guarantee that they work I don't know they're just out of motherboard boxes but we do have way too many so 76 8625 82 is the scores I'm gonna log this in my notepad files 2 4 6 we're at 1.3 I think it's too sat 1.3 get let's go with guess voltage alright don't get and then we didn't do our 20 so 76 86 is a a score decay from previously however that is expected because infinity fab previously we're at 77 80 and that was with 3200 for the RAM and everything else Auto including I have now we've broken rank where I F is no longer one-to-one with the memory so it is expected to have a score decay this is this is normal but all we're trying to do is see you know what's stable so now we're gonna go in and try and get 1900 stay well this is the one where it should I think we should experience some stability issue with this and you'll get to see the process of troubleshooting that and trying to stabilize something that's almost stable I'm probably gonna use this in a bench to verify that one maybe blender see Dan trader 20 thank you hello Steve just want to say thank you to you and garen saxis for sharing the honest and detailed information has assisted me and researching my first build since my Pentium 4 Wow take care and don't forget the tater tots how you know someone's been watching a few streams since the Pentium 4 man that's cool that's I'm I'm curious like as you build it I'm curious how you felt about if things have changed or not because I mean the essentials are the same but I'm sure that encountering all the RGV crap was definitely either awesome or a huge headache depending on what you got that's that's certainly new though it's not like the what do they call them the cold cathode ooh they used to do so we're just gonna set 1900 here and this is how I do it so I I started when I tested this chip originally I started at 1800 I knew pretty much everything can do that I went to 1900 I it crashed and then I tried to figure out how to get it working so we're going through the same process again now so basically at this point in the stream what we've done is like I said the beginning goal is to help show the process of overclock in an AMD CPU I think the full start to finish process without memory tuning it only takes me maybe an hour to really figure it out and then memory changes a lot but the goal is figure out all core OC figure out the lowest possible voltage with that OC and if you need to bring it down or not figure out in fitty fabric or just that step we're on now and then memory okay so let's run Cinebench and just see if it crashes if not I might run blender I think this should not be stable so at some point we should encounter a crash just don't know what applications gonna trigger it Andreas Sheriff $10 oh hey Steve my buddy they say dr. Lisa sue called me today and said she saw your review she asked me to pass on a message she said quote we are not pleased just wanted to let you know ciao I think the the Chow at the end makes it feel more threatening than it might otherwise I'm positive that you're correct they're probably not pleased cassio Salle's says hasty planning on testing budget air coolers yeah definitely we have the setup for it it's a time issue but we've been doing the high-end stuff and he's work down to the low-end stuff let's see Ambro cart trying to catch up on these I'm uh we're doing better on time mrow Curt says I use hardware info cpuid MSI Afterburner when testing over clocks Thunder game load as well as benchmark Cinebench prime95 3d mark and ram test by car I'm not familiar with that one I will open a tab and look that one up for later those all sound good to me CPU ID is good for just verifying stuff afterburners fine not my favorite but it works well enough ridiculous prime $10 says what CPU is this it is not the 79 80 XE but it is a 3,600 X T so this survives this one let me open up this then and just see see if it dies or in this one if it's gonna take like a few minutes to die I know that this one will fail without setting higher voltages in some places but if it's not gonna die in a reasonable amount of time during this dream and what I'll do is just go through the voltages anyway where we trying even higher IFI guess and again when I say die referring to the CP is I'm really just referring to crashing here so you shouldn't be worried about with reasonable settings you shouldn't be worried about killing the part Alex Saxton $20 thank you this is controversial but in your personal opinion what is the safe voltage for a risin 3,000 underwater for a gaming workload I never like giving an answer to this because it's like no matter what I say I'm wrong because everybody has a different idea of what a safe voltage is so like if I say if I try to go really conservative and say 1.3 then people can be like oh I've been running that one point four two four six and a half years on my rise in one chip so there's it's like can't possibly win so a personal opinion is I mean four reviews as an example these are not systems that are up daily they get built they get tested they get torn down so for those we're fine with running one for set which means the gap might be like 1.3 something 0.38 so temporary use that's kind of where we stand with it haven't seen any degradation on any of the parts even the oldest ones which is expected because they run for days at a time then they're done for awhile for daily use I think I'd probably probably try to stick around like 136 135 myself or forget I know that people think that they've had degradation at that voltage but I know that a lot of people also don't know what they're talking about so it's really hard to know because save voltages for a CPU you need you need to be AMD to really know and they might not really fully know either so really what you need is a lot of data from the field and that's hard to collect because everyone needs their computer differently so it's just like it's not really possible for me to action oh but that's my personal thoughts it's like 1 3 5 136 is where I'd want to be I'm not really worried about degradation a lot of times people think that they're seeing degradation of the chip when in fact what they're seeing is they started playing a different game that wasn't out when they overclocked it that game is doing something different where now it's not stable anymore so a lot of the time that's the case especially with like GPUs but SOC is a little bit different that one's got a harder line where it's you start getting degradation so we're like really old Rison 1 1 2 1 3 4 like 1000 series you don't really want to be there for a long like 1 3 especially newer stuff can handle a bit better ok now and I need to note this too because we're already getting like that I've been running 1 for 6 daily for about a year no issues it's a couple things set voltage and get voltage are different number one workload matters so no it's in crash workload matters so the if you're running like a 24/7 workload all the time and the voltage is pinned then it's more abusive on everything whereas if you're kind of using a couple hours a day whatever it's it's different so yeah let's do this is this is working fine so I'm actually just gonna push it up like 19:33 or something I don't think that should work but we'll see maybe it'll be better than I thought Michael eighty I'm still catching up on the Super chats but we're doing better than most times with these that's good I'll read your question a second I need to set if any fabric let's do let's try a 1933 that actually let me check the check the voltages that we have in case any of them got left when I was working on it last time so VD D G no that's Auto okay that's the one we're gonna tune later to get it stable whenever it stops being stable oh that's gonna be it Michael he had no message just sent money well thank you very much TCC lavage er said get an optimist foundation aim for block far better than all the others on the market I've done extensive testing on it I mean I week even without extensive testing I think I believe you because those are impressive looking blocks so I think we might be getting some instability now so yeah I'll probably try and reach out to them see if we can get one or a buy one or something because the I'm not too happy with the blocks I've tried on this set up so far I think they're inefficient - what a set and get mean a set and get is a term I picked up from this is unstable by the way so now we're at a point where we can try and fix it so its term I picked up from Vince from kingpin but set and get is how I refer to the number I type into BIOS versus the actual number that comes out so because of LLC and V droop and stuff like that if you type in one point for your if you have like a less aggressive LLC your actual voltage might be something like one point three five one point three four so get is the the one I like to track the one that it's actually out when it's under a heavier workload as opposed to the number I type in but it does depend on on the workload you know what the voltage is it's like 1.5 volts doing nothing on desktop it's not gonna hurt it a lot of people were really freaked out about that when they first saw it but it is not going to hurt it there's no in other words there's no current there's nothing happening there's no current really going through the system one five nothing going on low amperage low current it's fine but once you get into high current scenarios and and there's higher voltages now you might have a problem way is to check SPI to for what I call get ideally use a multimeter and check the back of the motherboard but that's kind of a pain so that's B I t's my my good enough approach so that was not stable what I would next do to try and stabilize that to get it to boot when it's not booting it's not a good sign normally and you're gonna have trouble getting it to actually work as opposed to crashing crashing is easier to fix because you're borderline stable what I'm gonna try to do though is set a some vdg numbers and I have some notes on this I need to reference for the CPU so we're gonna try 1100 IO and 1000 CCD these are kind of like sub voltages of SOC is my understanding of it anyway actually I think it even tells you represents voltage for the data portion of the Infinity fabric if derived from the CPU SOC uncor voltage vo DS VDD SOC then V GDG can approach but not exceed SOC which is currently 1.2 so it is not exceeding SOC ok mark Connor says oh yeah Mouse mod mod Mouse bat ordered I don't know if that means a mod not in the mouse mat or one or the other but saying I can't wait for August that is yeah they're both on the way so thank you for picking one up let's see this is okay this is kind of a basic question I guess I should answer why do I get higher FPS on an r5 3627 us at 1440 then GN reports for the same CPU with 28 yeah at 1080p so because it literally everything is different is the answer you probably have different settings configured your tasks and different well to even lift the game no ok there's not even a game listed so a different game different settings it could be different part of the game for example it's not uncommon for some of these games today to have like it seemed that runs 40 FPS higher than another scene or if you like look at the sky a lot and your run that'll change the frame rate a lot positively in most cases and then logging versus just like kind of spot checking it you know we run an active log every millisecond of the game and and report on it so there's a lot of reasons room ambient can impact it - yeah everything cooling can impact it in our case our numbers should account for things like cooling but if we're testing different areas different games whatever different settings all gonna be different the thing you need to take away from benchmark videos is not really the exact numbers in most instances unless you have a specific game a testing that you care about it's gonna be the relative numbers so it's like that's why we always give percentages percent better X or Y that's what you need to look for cuz that's that's the one that'll scale that number will scale to your usage whereas the apps that FPS number might not really mean anything unless you can apply the exact settings so this is this is not stable with those settings which means 1900 is going to be our I could do some more with it but I already pre tested at 1900 hours oh I have just hit the reset button on the board and it should be going back into BIOS one thing you have to be careful with these gigabyte boards too is the the dual BIOS where they'll boot into the other one if your overclock sauron stable it's kind of a pain let's try and get this in so nineteen hundred's going to be it now I already know that if we want 24/7 stability I do need those V DD G voltage is higher so 1100 and a thousands what we're gonna run with through that was at 1900 1900 was stable in the stream for the few minutes we tested it but it's not stable monitor him on the CPU home tab any thoughts on CPS being made with lab-grown diamond to rather than silicon absolutely none at all I don't know anything about it I wish I could provide some brilliant insight but I can't I have to reset BIOS there's some buttons on the board that I'm trying to use to get this booted back in a brilliant thing that builds oh I had taught me recently let me grab something I'll show you the trick I don't have it easy be accessible I don't think you check another room I don't see it out but we list this reset button I like to use that's like standalone from the system something he taught me recently was connecting the reset button of the case if you have one - the clear CMOS jumper on the board is like probably the biggest time-saver I've ever had working with anthe platforms getting CMOS that clears real pain sometimes these buttons don't don't really always work okay it is back so clearly 1933 was not stable so we're gonna go with 1900 how this resets all the settings you should be saving profiles while you go but I'm gonna go ahead at this point and just load one that I know works so this was my final profile I did when I was doing testing for a video that's going up soon on super tuning the 3600 XT was mostly memory so I ran 46 I set the voltage higher than is necessary I think we can do like 1.3 2 or something but uh just to make sure I could walk away from it and not have it crashed during blender or something I F I and all the other settings I showed earlier are pretty much the same in terms of like the to say wind stuff at a system level bypassing current limitations is a big one needs to turn all those off or overclock and if you're trying to really push it voltage protection and stuff like that that's all off I showed that earlier but yeah I have set 19 here and then V DD G is what allowed me to get it stable so I did 1004 V DD GCD I did 1104 IOD those are both under SOC they can't be higher than SOC voltage and I left SOC at 1.2 and this was basically it was it was prime stable it was like blender stable for an hour and it didn't crash during 6 to 8 hours of testing so this was all good to go a memory is the last part of this equation with Infinity fabric now at 1900 we need memory to be 1 to want so previously we were testing at 32x for the most players 230 200 megahertz memory now we're at 38 and that's going to get us to 300 megahertz obviously and for the timings these are these are the ones I typed in but we're gonna clear these for now and run some baseline tests and then retune them so I'm going to clear them all to auto let it do whatever it wants and then we'll well tune them back to where I just had them here and you can see the the difference and I'll show you some of the process of tuning them it's a huge massive pain in the ass and nobody likes it actually I think hi cookie might like it but that's just weird so I don't think anybody else likes doing number 18 even builds weight doesn't really speak that highly have doing my jaw doesn't particularly enjoy going through the process either and the reason is is just it's kind of slow it's just a lot of patience sometimes you'll have a lot of crashes I didn't really encounter that with this kit it's super good but at some point you're gonna hit crashes and otherwise just one setting at a time doing it properly otherwise it just doesn't work so I'm not sure why we're not a good in here I need to check maybe what be core was or something I was 138 that's going up okay get cleared let's try that again oh yeah that should be right okay 4638 uh-oh I better I didn't know what it was I bet when I told it to do all the time and it applied something stupid so let's just let's do this let's give it times that like definitely works let's just give it like 15 for everything that's about 2:30 to my rule of thumb for Rass is I just multiply the two like normally you have kind of three primary timings you're talking about I'll just multiply that or sorry add them together and then add two so we've got 15 15 minutes 30 and then I add two and that's just its total rule of thumb I just find that it tends to be stable at that value if the previous two are stable at you know half the value I guess minus one or whatever so that's some old knowledge picked up from a random form a long time ago and it still seems to work fine I'm gonna set this to thirteen I know that's what it was originally I'm stuck these two auto I set that up to auto and we're gonna set this originally was 500 when we were in there earlier so let's just go with that RFC's refresh cycle so that's gonna be a really important one for scores and then Tefal was 48 originally which is super-high that's for active window lowers gonna be better for most of these like t fall you definitely want a lower number and right latency we were gonna want to get down towards 10 or 11 another important one other than primary so RFC is important far is important TC WL I've found to be pretty helpful and then TRC I've been able to drop a lot from the auto settings normally okay so let's just boot that that should oh it's the memory voltage I don't think I set memory voltage that's probably gonna not be happy with that we'll see because this okay alright so it's still in there cool so we get a baseline score and then we'll tune that down so one's asking about calculating the power requirements of a computer trying to figure out I guess how many watts really need a lot of people over by on the wattage other than using power supply calculators I would recommend that do-it-yourself approach of go find reviews that measure at the cables and oh I see the the note from creation to so I would check like the at the cables power for the GPU the CPU you're buying now time together don't do it a wall draw unless you can figure out the delta from baseline and and that would be a good way to quickly gauge the power requirements of the system so 3dmark is the only one we're gonna run now I don't care about Cinebench because it's not going to scale much with memory and we're just gonna verify how much higher is when we go from this to the tighter timings that I spent most of a night tuning the other day now this will also compared to our 3200 numbers let me try and get through a bunch of super chats cuz we're getting sort of towards the end of the memory stuff so we'll be able to close out the basics in let me read through as many as I can quickly uh let's see little kool-aid man $5 thank you is 70 degrees Celsius good load temperature first stock 3700 X I feel my push pull X 63 should do better will Jen mousepads come in red or black and gray cute with awesome org thank you so mousepads we currently obviously we have the ones on the site like this you know this mouse mat where it's all blue and black we don't have any immediate plans for red or black gray I am aware of the interest I don't know when we'll try and do something you know like that or a different color we don't have any current plans for it so it actually did finish I'll get to that in a second other question of the 70 C temperature is completely fine for 3,700 X I think you're fine there Sean D 20 guys when and if you get around to attempting to deep tune the 3900 XT maybe test we can higher stable clocks this is going on the six core is on one CCD over the other I swear they're putting an awesome plus one average CCD on that CPU I agree it's exactly what I want to do I want to do that on stream probably with liquid nitrogen I think to do it something a bit different and yeah we'll probably hopefully just trust the star that's in rising master so that's the better wand and then see if we can push that higher like I might just run run at 43 and then see what we do at the other but definitely agreed that is something I want to do Keaton Blomquist $10 thank you I just wanted to say thanks for your help with what I've been working on it turns out a CPU can take 1.55 volt the whole man it turns out a CPU can take 1.5 5 volts on the SOC for about an hour before it's toast through 2,700 yeah that is that is not the place you want to type in 1.55 yeah that's that's the point I was making earlier people are asking about safe voltages so SOC is definitely the most aggressive on degrading or killing parts and so be really careful with SOC you make sure you know you're doing don't set vcore numbers for SOC also don't set 1.5 v 4v core but I'm assuming it was an accident to type that in or maybe they're working with more extreme cooling but yeah that sucks don't go above like 1/2 SOC if you can avoid it for daily man an hour that's it's great information I'm Sparky we have to learn it that way Michael 80 when the review of P 500 when when will the review of the P by 100 a B will you review the P 600's no current plans the p600 asks kind of old at this point P 500 a if I review Santa's p-51 today is done I think it's probably going up tomorrow we're gonna get back to the overclocked in a second I really want to catch up on these chats Mustangs by Mac currently editing a video while watching the livestream 900k 2080 super and fiber connection I can't decide what I love more the sound of my own voice he says listening to not mine his listening to his own video he's editing or your glorious hair well thank you but I can say from experience that editing videos eventually even if you like it now the sound of your own voice only becomes annoying next time is again Oh Gandhi hi two dollars please give snowflake a head scratch and a kiss I will be happy to to show snowflake attention as soon as I can get the chance to get home read age what's the minimum rpm anak do is NF a 14 3 K how's the noise I'm actually not sure I'd do I think I do have one of those but I'm not sure what the minimum rpm is I've only used it at the max the noise at 3000 is absolutely terrible like its I mean comparatively you might be better but it's 2,000 rpm let me get through like another mean six of these or so and then we'll get back to it you look how deep reductions two things one was done to it's generally a good idea to maximize your mom and I have clock first and then I would see the core because your max core clock generally takes more vcore with mem I F maxed out I mean okay that's fine but that's not the way I do it it's just I don't know it's you're just getting into like theory at that point I feel like and I find my approach where especially the way I overclock so to arising master voltage control change VI D so your get is that is usually lower than your set even more so than if set and BIOS this is why I use BIOS for tuning the voltages like we were doing earlier and also I use hardware info and don't touch rise in master at all once we get to that stage Jos Callen fives I uninstalled rising master after a failed OC and it would auto crash from loading yes it does that how do you reinstall it it would like that extracts his help but not actually install I had to fix that problem on this system I think I did some googling and found a registry entry so I had to go into regedit find some entry for Aizen master into and then it would reinstall so search for the if it gives you an error message search for the error message otherwise try searching for like regedit or registry Rison master and see if you can find the entry I'll pronounce the old way I used to nestle with a knife $10 Canadian thank you if I buy a mousepad would you sign it for me and you're nicely with the rest of my GN gear assign GN here I never appreciate that you have a lot of it we don't have a good process for doing like one-off signings but the best way to try and catch them is normally during streams when I have a guest here so like Joe at some point will come back out and that'd be a great time to try and grab one because we'll normally do some kind of signing when we're doing a stream but otherwise I don't have a great process for one-offs just because I'm not the person ship in it so let me do one more and then get back to this stuff so where'd you go nanu says Steve should I buy right now or wait for Rison 4000 I was in reference to my earlier one answer that I'll hear - yeah well I mean I know there's a joke but the real answer is depends on if you like your computer right now or not Leo what's deal with set and get talked with that a little bit ago first I heard of them recently Google wasn't very helpful in explaining yeah I took that terminology from kingpin and he may have made it up I don't know but like I said earlier it's just the phrasing I use for the number I type in versus the number that comes out for voltage with SPI - being what I call get but realistic you should use the DMM so our score earlier was a with the 15 timings let's see thirty eight hundred 4.6 nineteen hundred and we're ignoring ignoring Cinebench now eighty one thirty five which is actually a pretty big uplift from earlier that's gonna be twenty seven point three three suggests for perspective this number versus the thirty-two number earlier that we had for memory is going to be eighty one thirty five - where is it let's compare to 77 80 was the last one we had everybody 77 80s and they minus old divided by old so it's four and a half four and 4.6 percent higher for that so now what we need to do is apply the tighter timings and see what kind of uplifts we get from that from memory we'll have a whole separate video on this stuff coming up in very short order it's getting edited now so you can check back for the shorter recap of the benchmarks and games and stuff Shmi me 350 don't let the monster sneak up on you I guess Andrew if you could just just keep an eye on behind me in case there's a monster apparently we need to look out for that dinner string it says $5 dollars for blue paper towels and rubbing alcohol thank you I think the rubbing alcohol I don't know how the situation is now but last time I tried to buy some $5.00 would not have gotten me but I might have gotten like a thimble of rubbing alcohol for $5.00 a little while ago so hopefully actually append try not to use all of it because we're gonna have trouble getting more okay so let's just apply that profile I had and and I'll walk you through the way I go through the memory stuff you know my way obviously I'm not an expert at memory at all even close to it but good enough so the way I got here was and I'm sure there's absolutely things that are not optimal but they're they're all better than they were stocked so that's that's what I cared about so first of all here down mode is on gear down mode right here that is set to auto which is enabled by default on this board at least so gear down modes on that means that some of these timings will adjust the closest even number if they're not stable it helps with system stability for memory I talked to the build site about that one I'd recommend leaving it on what I did is I just I liked to start with getting the voltage where I want it so if you one three five if you want like XMP voltages that's fine set it there I did 1.5 for this couldn't I you know was more of an enthusiast endeavour once I've got that where I want it I start with just the primary timings I ignore everything else I leave it all auto like just ignore all those numbers down there Auto so I don't touch those till we get primary stable and maybe better ways to do it this is the way that works well for me though so what I would do is I'd type in like 14 14 14 14 for primary I would take the in most boards you'll have three of these I'll take like the two Center values atom add two so that would put us at 30 14 or 14 28 plus 2 is 30 so I would test that first and the way I would test that I guess we can show that process to is of mem test Pro and with ADA ADA I like to use for for getting some numbers in to make sure the scores are improving and then mem test Pro I like to use for validating that it's not throwing memory errors silently behind the scenes this is very hard to keep up with like chat super chat and everything else single serving friend that's SF it there's like a bunch of missing letters that's my best interpretation of what that means just want to see if you remember how to save my name okay well I guess we know how or you know I don't know if I do much I think this is the person who might own a few PC shops on Twitter I'm not sure though but I think we're pretty sure that's the same name okay so now I'm test prep looks like this it's you it's like five bucks you end up with this you click start it's gonna tell me hey do you want do you want me to spawn a bunch of applications to test all the memory do you want to just test some of it and we're gonna tell yes test all the memory this is really good stability software so I'm gonna say yes test all the memory it's gonna pop up a few more now I like to just spread them out so you can see the errors what will happen is if there's an error it will appear in here it'll tell you like where the error occurred and it'll say memory or something to that effect so I normally let this go till it hits like 20 percent and then I bring down the time and some more 20 percent pass I mean and then once I get it to where it starts crashing I loosen the things that it started crashing on so if I'm tuning F aw and it starts crashing I loosen that one and eventually you hit a stage where you're you're not getting any errors here they go so they're starting to pop up now and at that stage I let it run to a hundred percent completion and then see if if it passes all of it and so we call it good so this is what it looks like this is doing a full memory test I think we should see that reflected in task manager yeah there you go so a hundred percent utilization on the memory and I don't know how clear that is on the panel assume I'm looking at okay so the percent coverage here that's the number I'm talking about when I say let it run 20 percent to start with and that's just because I'm impatient so I let it go only part of the way and then I try to tune it some more it could still definitely fail after that point but normally it's not not too common and then eventually you let that get to 100 once you're at your final numbers so that would run for a while and in the error information box under it you'll get errors that pop up eventually it's not particularly easy for me to just synthetically type in a number like a timing that'll get that because it's just as likely we won't be able to do or it'll crash so that's just where the error information would appear so that's the application I like for doing the the end of everything make sure it all works it's not going to throw a silent errors that bring down your performance that you know in it or crash I don't you don't under a different load other application I like this is a really super old install we have it is it is not up to date it doesn't it has no idea what Rison is this I bought this before Rison existed and the only thing I use though is the cache and memory benchmark it's 8 o 64 as a software I think there's a cheap or a free version maybe that my free trial version that you can use for this was like maybe a twenty dollar version or something but uh so I let this run the only numbers I'm gonna care about our memory up top which probably is a newer version but whatever and then what I do is I type down all these numbers so you get a read it in speed megabytes per second get right and megabytes per second copy megabytes per second of them latency in nanoseconds and so what I do is I run this you can ignore the cache stuff I run this for every timing I change I only change one timing at a time so again I start with primary I try to bring it down as low as I can till it crashes and then I move on normally I like to do RFC next that's refresh cycle I find that's the one that's most egregiously out of bounds with Auto and so I Curie sees 61 754 gigabytes 30 gigabytes and gigabytes so you test this each time with each change and make sure it's going up or with invariance some of them don't actually really do anything for performance did we run a time spy yet I don't think we did that's run time spy for this one so that would be my approach to testing the memory after RFC I normally do TC WL and I normally do TFA W those are typically are the most egregiously like really far out there where RFC will often be a 500 or something you can bring it down to maybe 300 and that has an impact and gaming performance in the real world okay so Eric Hobart $10 where's the second part of her ramp timing series also not a question but can't wait to see 2020s disappoint until 2020 is this appointment build it has a lot of CPUs in the running right now it's cut like 3,800 ACTU t10 439 her txt I don't know we we've still got half a year almost to go so we'll see second part I don't know it's like basically been done for over a year but it's just a matter of getting it kind of Q seed by people in the industry we actually trust and it's more overhead for me to go chase down so I'll try to pull that together at some point but I need to need some time to work on it so scoring-wise that one is move eighty-six 49 that's actually significantly higher twenty-nine point oh six so in terms of percentages this score versus our original 3200 score 77 80 divided by 77 80 is about 11 percent higher and this score compared to the one I just ran where it was at CL 15 for this the same kit with a bunch of other timings that's this is six point three percent higher than what we did a second ago when it was at CL 15 plus auto timings see how 15s what's on the sticks so basically auto so I mean yeah you're talking six to ten percent depending on the application that's a lot for just memory and an if' but so that's really where you get your gains with rise and more so than with all court all court matters matters a lot for things that are all core intensive but most games aren't so memories really where it is so that is how I would do the basics of all of this let me get through or how many of these do we have we don't have many I'm going to update the super chat text on the screen here and I'm not going to read anymore super chats after the set that are already in so don't submit anymore I'm not going to read it after this point 917 local time on the computer let me get through all of these that are currently here that we haven't done yet and then I'll check the the normal chat for any follow-up questions on all this stuff and hopefully that helped I liked provide some ideas of applications we like using processes a lot like I said before I'm by no means like an expert in memory overclock and or rising overclocking but this is just the process I go through and I hopefully that's the part that I really want people to take away is the steps that we go through more so than that actual numbers like I think when you're starting overclock and it's easy to get caught up in the numbers people get and write them all down and try to copy them but that really shouldn't be the goal the goal should be figuring out the steps of troubleshooting it limiting the variables you're changing to one at a time and narrowing down each setting one at a time just being patient with it especially with memory because if you start trying to change too many things it's just gonna crash all the time or get stuck in boot loops or whatever and that's just sucks then you're pulling the CMOS battery all the time so those are the steps I would use to recap the salt try like before I do all the Super chats mmm test Pro super good a 264 is good just to give you some numbers in addition to the error testing that mumtaz Pro does so I'll give you some numbers to check to make sure your scores are improving and not disintegrating as you iterate which can happen with memory errors times by or some other like firestrike whatever some something with a cpu test specifically a physics test is good for validating cpu performance especially as a game synthesis cuz games are so variable and Cinebench r20 is good for an all core test to test your all core clocks now obviously the super chat member I I'm familiar with evocati productions has sent me some applications we've used two overclocking evocati productions mentioned that he's got a different approach to it so there's you can kind of move around the different pieces of the equation but I personally like to do all core ratio and with a higher voltage to 1/4 I'm just gonna recap everything here so 1 1 4 so frame the hi all core and I bring down the voltage once I establish the maximum stable frequency at that voltage and maybe target like 1 3 1 3 4 whatever then I do after bringing down the voltages I do infinity fabric and figure that out I ignore the memory and I do the memory after that and you get those one two one two one with the I F em o'clock o'clock o'clock all one two one two one we've got videos on that explain all of it so that's the recap let me do the questions here that we haven't done yet let's see while I'm scrolling looking for these I guess I'll mention again we've got the the new component shirt on stored out gamers Nexus dotnet if you want to pick one of those up we've had a lot of those cell during the stream so thank you very much for the support glad you all liked it it has a bunch of a component designs in it so Andrews got like vrm and inductor mosfet cap components in there I don't know that I don't know that if you made this it would work as a VR em but it certainly looks like a VR em we've got a motherboard keyboard video card power supply all that stuff all kind of hidden in the design so you can pick that up on starter Kendra's access tonight that is brand-new today just launched okay so I found the questions Konza $10 has bought 5 litres of isopropyl alcohol for 35 dollars $50 Australian so please have some of the savings good price over there question mark which will come oh and then then a question which will come first our DNA to or our TX 3000 hoping for competition again I don't know I have a well I don't know our DNA - we kind of had a road map for like an official Andy Road map but our TX 3000 is the one that's been getting teased so much through leaks it sounds like it's gonna be August September timeline for that probably September for launch so I'm not really positive but we haven't heard much about our DNA - recently in a concrete form so I'm going to guess RTX might come to market first but they'll be closed for sure blendin Nader $5 drink exclamation point beer sign thank you Jim Hurley $20 it's hard to find info on the new Intel turbo we used to max technology 3.0 it spreads across it spreads threads across favorite course wouldn't that have a big impact on caches do you know how to test or disable this disable like the boosting I think you should have options and BIOS for that impacting caches I don't know that is how it works it does have like a favorite course things that's accurate the most recent information we put together on it would have been an art I think in our 10 900k review we had some information on how it works including TVB and then I think in the Intel news piece we had information on how it works but it does spread across favorite cores so they have a few different turbo boosts 2.0 is the ones been around for a while TVB is a thermal threshold where you get an extra hundred megahertz it's just it's on or off it's not like AMD where it scales the temperature just are you above or below 70 C yes no if yes since a hundred megahertz high are simple enough and then 3.0 is a favorite cores approach where the the best core is boost a little bit higher so it's Intel's approach to limited core boosting but cherry picking the core is rather than letting it do whatever so would it impact caches I don't I'm not really sure I don't think it's changing the cash ratio but it's not really something that I've tried testing so do you know how to test or disable this you can definitely disable it in BIOS Paul food chill oh five dollars no message thank you William Goodman two dollars how do I flatten a new mod Mac I would recommend just when you open it up and unroll it just flip it over and lay it on its face on the table and then the like where it bends I mean you know rolled up in a tube and shipping that'll be flat against the surface take some books or something like that put it at the the corners and maybe leave it overnight or over a day or something it's pay on how long it was in a tube to get to you it might take a little bit longer but they typically unroll within a couple days max if you leave it alone but it can be faster just depends how long it was rolled up in shipping Paul kuchela oh there's the message does SVM being enabled hurt performance when overclocking I'm actually not sure that's one of those where the I'm not an expert thing really matters because all these settings is like I just kind of messed around with it and it worked better that's you know that's the extent of it so I'm not sure on that one that'd be a good question for build Zoid ken Colby $2 no message blendin aider 5 - hi says drinka exclamation point I think Andrew would probably be really happy if these $5 increments went towards blender or Unreal Engine development Andrea if if you wanted someone to donate to blender directly or indirectly would you tell them to buy VBox or would you tell them to donate to blender which one helps them more really he wouldn't do they don't take me bucks however at blender they don't Epic Games is a big supporter of Planet it's why I mention here my $5 enjoy the channel thanks Rallo knowledge although the more I learned the more the lighter my wallet becomes unfortunately that's a lot of like the hobbies yeah smiley - I mean the I guess part of the point of money is spending on something you enjoy working with so hopefully there's no upside there smiley attack $10 you guys do a great job much support from South Carolina love my blue print shirt thanks for picking one up that's I like that design looking forward to the new Navy shirts delivery here's some money for a couple of gallons for your Lambo about that and not having one much much like Linus I don't drive a fancy car I can't read this name it's in a different language different character set but like I don't know that if I were you gonna read it into English oh wait I think I can read it I think they're actually just using a different character set to spell a g-money and it looks like Syria like or something any timeframe on a new round of toolkits also tell Jo tater tots are better than fries did Joe say they're not I didn't I didn't know that I didn't know Joe's a blasphemer I'm sorry I'll double check with him on that tool kits yes so they were they I think they should be about done with production at this point I think we're shipping them now I think they are currently getting handled logistically through a port somewhere so probably like let's go with early September maybe I don't have them on backorder because I don't have a firm date on it so I don't put them on backorder till I really know but that's gonna be my guest right now married for now 2015 199 thank you says hey boys up the oh wait what I'm the shirt and mousepad plus n 0 0 des guy I know what that that spells but I'm not sure what the reference is to I'm assuming you're saying you bought a shirt in the mousepad so thank you oh it's I'm not sure Vocaloid says a Steve any tips on getting my 2 by 8 tried and see Royal 3002 by 8t force Vulcan 3000 to work I can't get it to post past 2400 with my 1600 AF and I was rocked before 50m pro also snowflake merch when I'm not sure but on the rest of it so 3000 2x8 a way to work together or to work independently can't get it to post past 2400 man that's something's wrong if you can't get it to even 3000 I think I would try make sure they're in the preferred slot to the board and then I would try probably just setting the vcore manually maybe you're applying XMP and if you're applying tax appeal in changing the frequency down but XMP isn't applying the voltage maybe try applying the voltage manually check what's on mistakes it's almost certainly 1.35 try that I see the boots if not then I would go into the advanced memory timings manually set really loose timings and then set the higher frequency just to see if it works that'd be my process hopefully that helps well that's that's exactly what I would do top Shepherd I got one of the first run of wireframe mouse pads it's really nice thank you well thanks for getting on the first runs that's we had a really good feedback on them and we have a lot more coming in and like I said they're on a there they should be on a boat now or soon so there should be in an August Sean gates cheers to all the data nerds everywere jay is just jealous of your charts yes I saw Jays reference in his review today that was funny I posted a comment on it Jay made the comment he had like some GN density per chart versus J metric I think where it was like GN density was like 10,000 or something in J was 1 so that is pretty funny Leo 555 Steve do personal rig can we get a tour sometime super curious what you run yourself on the daily I do its garbage at the office I use a 6000 something I don't even know it's either a 6800 K or 69 or K which work good CP is when they launched but I don't have it configured in a way that is good it's got two sticks in it in the office I think I have 16 gigabytes of RAM it is fine for what I do which is mostly spreadsheets and then I use the editing to preview this for my computer I have an FX processor it was originally a 93 50 or 70 or whatever they were called the like not quite the highest-end one and that with the board I had some asrock 990 FX board I still have it in there and it's sucks the vrm is way too hot so I pulled the CPU and I put in an 83 70 and then I down clocked it might wonderful today and now it runs fine so that's what I have for my system GPU I think it has a 1080 or a 1080 Ti in it I think I was at 1080 t is c2 and the RAM I think it has 32 gigabytes or something like that but yeah CPU actually might be 16 the CP is bad though it's um it's really bad FX was not good well a lot of people I think have come around to that but there was a lot of push back for a while on bulldozer and FX but it has not been great to me that's it so the reason I built it that way I wanted a system I used Intel for so long that might only ever used Intel at the point I built that FX system so I specifically wanted to build an AMD system to get the experience of using AMD because we're getting more into reviews at that point we're starting to really get into hardware so that I wanted that as an experience not because I actually necessarily wanted the part and over time isn't that 1080i being bottlenecks by the CPU I mean yeah definitely but if I play games on it it's probably gonna be a high resolution so then not really and also I have a shelf of 1080 T eyes that aren't being used right now so I just pulled one of those but yeah the the the experience that I got was terrible like I had so many problems with that system when it was new and it's funny how different it is now I'd probably build an Intel system now because I've been on AMD so on and a and these kind of in the lead that I just like using a system that's opposite of mainstream just so I know what people are dealing with any questions whether I'm still using a 9370 FX someone says I ran that fax until middle of last year no other people were stuck on that terrible CPU why do you have a such a low-end personal system well I mean I don't really use it that much I'm mostly here and we have everything here so if I really want like some high-end thing I could I could build it in 10 minutes and the test room so that's really the bigger reason is that I like to reserve all of the the good things that we have for testing for reviews that's really what we do here in a business sense they're worth more there and then in a content delivery sense they're worth more there so I take the stuff that either I don't like anymore for our work systems for my home system or I take stuff that we have access of like 1080p is at this point Justin Walker $25 Wow as someone who's first build was a 386 SX who never got into OSI it's really awesome to see just how far modern pcs can be pushed back in the day you'd be lucky to push your multiplier past five or ten megahertz I never overclocked the old stuff I don't know if we can get a shot of it but there is an Intel Pentium Pro up there that was from a viewer new inbox I'm not gonna open it we have another one let's open though but I think you can overclock that one I might pull the open one someday and try it I have no idea what I'm doing with those Gandhi hi $2.00 people have been losing megahertz with a V core set of greater than 1.25 we need to know the actual voltage not just the number they type in first of all but III don't know that I like I don't know I don't people say a lot of things on reddit so I don't really know evocati productions five lies I second the years of karu ram test so that's good one to know about it's also $5 but it finds memory errors faster than mem test row well that's good to know I'll try it out next time also why crunch our bbbbb P works well for a core and if' clock is also good to know thank you for the information so yeah I try not similar super chats I see one just came through I'm trying to get through the last ones before we close the stream there's only one page left though evocati productions also said also seconds the use of optimist block if you haven't have trouble contacting them let me know I can get you a sample quickly and I'm happy to help if you I'm sure I can find on their website but if you have whoever would be the right contact for media relations please send me their email address if you got it evoke Adi and I'll reach out to them and ask for one turtle stud $4.99 a GN I have a 3600 X and can only manage on all core of 4.30 1.4 what's the max 24/7 voltage this chip can handle we went over that earlier I don't really commit to that number because I don't know like a lot of people I have different experiences they report wear like this this person earlier saying people reporting frequency drops at one point two five I mean I kind of doubt that's a thing for V core 1.25 seems awfully low but I don't know earlier my my short version of my answer was I would personally set something like 135 136 and walk away from it but I'm not saying that's the 24/7 safe voltage but that's what I feel fine with James Thomas love your channel watching with my dad my dad will be putting a 3600 on an MSI be 550 tomahawk what do you think he could OC it - can you bench solitaire is it on here they get rid of it in Windows 10 do they still call it solitaire in here I think it's gone okay that's nice I think you have to like separately install it now or something other way so I would actually open it I don't know what your bench would be like how many hands can you be dealt per period of time or something well that's awesome that you're both watching I'm glad that you have the shared hobby so put in a 3600 and a B 550 what do we think you could go see it to 3,600 9 X 90 I think typically probably 4:3 is about the high end you might get really lucky and be able to do four four but four three should probably be achievable I think that'd be where I'd set a realistic goal on it especially if it's a new 3600 you should be able to do that with a lower voltage than previously can't remember exactly what we published in that 3600 new versus old silicon content but I think it was something to the effect of I think the voltage we have get that was like one point two eight seven or something like that I don't remember you can check that content but we're able to run a the same frequency the lower voltage was the extent of the newer silicon so that would be my target Megan rod she says the new shirt is hot well I know the ladies version that is a good question I've been stalking female versions of a couple of the shirts let me check on the inventory of those and that is one that I didn't make a women's version of because the other ones have been sitting on the shelf for a while and it is hard to manage more skis but I should definitely get one made let me check what we have right now I try to carry the the women's versions of shirts to make sure we can represent all the audience's as best we can so we do have the graph logos on there still in stock it looks like the oh sorry the graph logo is out of stock but the anniversary one is in stock in a women's black v-neck so that's in stock actually pretty good inventory on that but this one I didn't do so that's good point I will probably get in the next run we do the next print one run I'll get some women's v-neck thrown in hopefully that's the one that you want I know that there's a couple different versions that we can do but that's the one we've been doing people seem to like it so I'll throw that in for the next run basically the way we do it is when we order shirts once we run low on them for I should have done that for this order really but when we do a new order for a shirt that's been out for a while is when I'll order the the women's shirts so if you're trying to like keep an eye out for one that might be out of stock best thing to do is listen for if I say in a news video that we've just restocked the shirt because I probably restock the women's ones then because basically because all economies of scale it costs you know X dollars per shirt if I do 12:24 of them which is probably what I do for women's shirt and then because they'll sit on the shelf for a while just because the audience you know skew and then then what order the rest of the other shirts and get a discount on all of them so if I ordered 12:24 it's really expensive but when I do the next run of these which shouldn't take too long based on the sales today then I'll get a women's v-neck ordered and thank you for pointing that out next one is from car Jesus a competitor has enter the chat find highlight that different field got a lucky oh gee 3600 iodine 1900 megahertz 4.3 1.35 waiting for 4000 series that is very good 1900s fairy good for an OG 3600 last couple here we're almost through all of these and then we'll close out so I think five or six Cameron zhukov $20.00 would you guys be willing to use a black desert online in your gaming benchmarks over 900 K and to tighten our TX as well connected to four 480 rads he says inside of a 1000 d case and only hit sixty to eighty FPS on 4k that's a lot of hardware for or for ATS is insane think that 1000 D is like the only case that would support that without like modifications and stuff so would I be willing to use it we tested it ages and ages ago it sounds like it would be the best fit for a GPU benchmark based on what you're saying there so maybe in our GPU suite if I can figure out a good way to to get like repeatable data and that's problem with mmo's I don't know if they have any kind of offline like character of you or something probably that memos is they're all over the place for performance a lot of the time just because the variants and players in an area and stuff but I can look into it for the GP benches I think Ganon Rosencrans says sorry about the FPS question I was not running ultra settings do you think 4700 gee with 2200 megahertz F clock 47 nana ii latency is legit and it would be closer to intel I'm assuming that's a rumor of some kind I don't know I don't pay attention to rumors if it is 2200 megahertz F clock sounds awfully high though - girl says just wanted to say hi from Nunavut Canada I feel like I've been there where is this no I have definitely not been anywhere close to that place that wouldn't make sense while you're saying hi then I think I've seen maybe signs while flying in Canada about Sun Oven I love your videos helped me gain confidence just about custom loop and overclock my CPU and GPU that's awesome to hear I am glad you you felt like comments to do because like I was saying earlier I think overclocking kind of seems scary because he you can tell stuff as evidence by someone else earlier talking about their CPU but if you you're careful about it you should be okay the the which master X T's are just a cash grab there's a quote from empty until they released the next gen CP is they would be better off lowering their 3950 X prices I'm donating to you guys so you can get the message out well I think we sort of did and our review is our three of years but I don't know if I'd I I do think it's along those lines I think it's it's attempting to raise ASP last two Jonathan yochem says do you get to play video games in your spare time where's that dedicated dollar things I like to mountain bike ideally when I have spare time I share some of that in the GN Steve side-channel but games lately I played a bit of Minecraft dungeons I thought that was kind of fun simple game I would rank torchlight maybe higher than it in terms of complexity but it was pretty fun I like RTS games a lot Total War series three kingdoms is fun to me but I don't get much time to play them so I mean you're talking on the scale of like like a couple hours a month typically and that's up from previous years Sean D last one GM customer wireframe Oh custom wireframe human malware face masks when I guess is the question the answer is I don't think we're doing this but I'd probably look cool but I don't have any plans for that okay that's gonna be it so yeah we just did the super chat for the last under the stream thank you to everyone who had questions I hopefully I was able to answer some of them the safe voltage one is like will this be available to watch the I'll play set it to unlisted sucking process first there's one question that just came and I'll take it uh-huh what is Dinah muta is doof I'm guessing it's it it's German like at the start and then it's I don't know if it's German anymore at the end of it just saying hi what about an in-depth video about maxing out best bench settings for PBO including scaler EDC TV CPT memo see maybe with our 20 we did that when it first was a thin when PBO was new we could maybe revisit it but we have a really in-depth PBO video I'm pretty happy with now but anyway yeah that's it so we did the super chance for a while if you're jumping to the end of this in the archive it's it's all super chaste for a little while back but before that we did the overclocking so quickly recap again went over some software that we like using for validating overclocked we've gotten some advice and hear from people who have other tools that they like using so I'm gonna check those out but I've been using my test Pro 8 is 64 sentiment are 20 times pi for CPU physics validation and then we went through the order of the overclocks memory overclocking all that stuff so thank you for joining for the stream it was fun to do some an educational slant on overclocking and we'll probably get to liquid nitrogen stuff again shortly for maybe the 3900 xt 2 to go a bit more extreme on it next time but yeah but I'm very disappointed with the temperatures of this rig so I'm gonna probably try and get an optimist block because this thing I feel like should do a lot more cooling power than it did here so that's it for this one thanks for watching subscribe for more or you can 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watched this and was disappointed 1900IF wasn't even stable and 1933 was a no post
while others said they could post 2000IF, that's pretty much the only reason to consider these new cpus
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At around the 45 minute mark hwinfo shows soc voltage from the SVI2 sensor at 1.087v which suggests a bios setting of 1.1v but from the pictures in the bios it appears to be set at 1.2v. Is hwinfo wrong here or is this a gigabyte bios thing?