The easy way to get a bit more performance out of Ryzen 3000 CPUs on ASUS motheboards.

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40 minutes :(

Please someone TL;DW?

👍︎︎ 21 👤︎︎ u/ashaza 📅︎︎ Mar 02 2020 🗫︎ replies

"The easy way"

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👍︎︎ 18 👤︎︎ u/SnikwaH- 📅︎︎ Mar 02 2020 🗫︎ replies

Pbo and +200 auto oc does nothing for me. My 3600 just won't boost past 4.2ghz. Anyone have any luck getting theirs to boost higher than that without changing the voltage?

👍︎︎ 9 👤︎︎ u/Afro_Superbiker 📅︎︎ Mar 02 2020 🗫︎ replies

How many 40 minute videos can one make that are virtually identical... It definitely has 40 minutes of differences vs the original Gigabyte one, right?

👍︎︎ 9 👤︎︎ u/gethooge 📅︎︎ Mar 02 2020 🗫︎ replies

Anyone know if this will work with a R5 3600 and an ASUS B350-F? I know the mobo is a little old but I would still like a lil more performance if possible

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/InfamousAmerican 📅︎︎ Mar 02 2020 🗫︎ replies

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👍︎︎ 5 👤︎︎ u/[deleted] 📅︎︎ Mar 02 2020 🗫︎ replies

Does this apply to b450 boards too?

👍︎︎ 1 👤︎︎ u/ammus5 📅︎︎ Mar 02 2020 🗫︎ replies

/u/buildzoid pls finish a thought

👍︎︎ 1 👤︎︎ u/hashonBLAST 📅︎︎ Mar 03 2020 🗫︎ replies
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hi guys builds wait here and today I'll be showing you how to easily gets a little bit more performant well it depends on a little CPU and cooling system you're using in this case it's very much a little bit more performance but with other CPUs and not the stock cooler you can get far more performance on Rison 3000 with ASUS motherboards now if you have something like a 3900 X or a 39 50 X I would strongly advise that you don't try to do this on a be 450 motherboard because if you do there's a pretty good chance to cook like the motherboards power delivery won't be able to keep up under heavy workloads and your system will just randomly shut down on you out of nowhere unless you account for the fact that a lot of lot B 450 motherboards just can't handle high power consumption anyway today we're gonna be doing this with a 3700 X which is why we can get away with using the stock cooler so the stock cooler for the 3700 X is actually capable of handling you know the the precision boost over drive settings that we're going to be applying I'm also going to be using this memory kit right here so this is Patriots VIPRE Steel 38 38 66 CL 18 memory this is not ideal for a risin build but we're using it anyway because I don't have a convenient 3600 well I do have a thirty six hundred megahertz memory kit but it's like I don't want to keep using the same memory kit for every single one of these demonstrations so yeah we're we're on a 38 66 CL 18 we can still make this work and I'll show you how in the miles shortly anyway so that's the memory kit CPU 3700 X my 3700 X is pretty bad like it was already bad when I first got it it's got only gotten worse since because I've been less than gentle with it in terms of manual over clocks that I've been running on it so yeah there are definitely CPUs out there that'll see bigger gains than this one and then also the the cooler is just not ideal for this like it'll work like there's no reason not to do this because the CPU won't like damage itself by by doing what we're gonna do it's just that because the cooler is so is relatively weak the amount of performance gain we can get from from adjusting the precision boost overdrive elements is just very small and then for the motherboard I'm using an asus x5 70 i Strix so that's the ITX tricks motherboard from asus rog this is basically the best x5 70 motherboard ITX x5 70 motherboard forgot that part like it's not the best x5 70 motherboard in general there's stronger options for like if you want memory or like well it really in any direction like whatever you want there's stronger options than this but as far as just straight-up ITX boards go this is definitely one of the best for the entire a m4 platform in fact now yeah everything in the test bench is you know well I have everything in the test bench thanks to the hoc patrons so huge thanks to you know everybody and also all the people who buy like hoc March and that kind of thing so huge thanks to you guys for making videos like this one possible there's links to the patreon and the teespring store down in the description below if you'd like to check those out with that out of the way let's actually start the PBO and XMP settings up here so here we are in the bios of the motherboard now if you're on i I think this is mostly like an ROG vs. mainstream asus distinction so if you're on a mainstream asus motherboard your BIOS will probably look like this except in a different color scheme when you first log in so you'll see this screen not this screen and it'll be blue not red so the way you get out of here is you just press f7 also if you hit f f1 doesn't work in here so that's great so yeah you hit f7 if you ever want to find like useful shortcuts for any BIOS are just on the f1 key so yeah you hit f7 it'll put you into advanced mode you're gonna go over to AI Tweaker and you're gonna go to AI overclock tuner and you're gonna select do CP for whatever reason ASIS because there Asus can't call XMP XMP because apparently that's just too normal for them but anyway what that does is it loads up your XMP profile for your memory since we're using a 38 66 CL 18 memory kit it loads up 38 6 6:18 this is no ideal Verizon third-gen if you want to not spend a bunch of time like stress testing your memory over clocks because the horizon CPUs well the thing is if you don't want to fiddle with a bunch of settings this is not an ideal memory configuration ideally you go for a if you want the easiest experience you want to go with like a thirty six hundred megahertz rated memory kit or lower you don't want to go for a thirty eight sixty six now we can still work with this because this kit actually contains has two XMP profiles one of them is 37 33 which actually isn't that huge a difference because you can actually just straight up by memory kits that are like 38 60 that are 3,600 18 22 22 except they're much cheaper than this 38 66 kit because a 3600 2cl 18 is far less impressive but yeah so - not just like like 17 21 21 is not the tightest timings ever either for thirty six hundred megahertz but the thing with Rison is it's the the memory clock speed and the Infinity fabric clock takes priority so that's why we're just gonna go with the 37:33 17 21 21 we're not actually gonna get CL 17 once we get into Windows because the rise in memory controller automatically goes into gear down mode all you really need to know about that is it just forces even cast lights and sees and some other sub timings are forced to be even but you like we're not here to deal with that because that's complicated and this is supposed to be the easy way so then we're just going to set our of memory frequency down to thirty six hundred megahertz so on paper you could go out and buy like a you know like 4,000 or 41:33 or whatever frequency rated memory kit and then just force it down to thirty six hundred megahertz and by doing this you basically put the memory back in sync with the Infinity fabric because the Infinity fabric all when left on auto will not go above 1800 megahertz and in general it's like if you try to go past 1800 megahertz there's a good chance that your CPU is not necessarily going to be stable and then you have to start doing a lot of stress testing and just you'd probably don't want to deal with that so yeah if you want to be like extras and don't mind giving up a little bit of performance 34 66 megahertz rated memory kits are like I like I have heard of like a few very rare cases of CPUs not doing 1800 megahertz but 1800 megahertz is so commonly achievable that that's where I am the defaults like that's where I am these Auto configuration will work up to so yeah 3600 maegor's should generally be the sort of like ease like thirty six hundred megahertz should work on like 99% of CPUs if you are really unlucky and you get a 1% CPU that it won't do it then you probably might have to drop down to like 35 you know you might have to drop it down to 35 33 or 34 66 but that is very very unlikely so basically even like even if you just apply any XMP profile you should still run a stress test over overnight let's say but unlike with manual over clocks I wouldn't say it's absolutely critical to immediately run a stress test because with manual overclocking a lot of the time you can set up settings that are very likely to quickly corrupt your operating system as I've blown up quite a few windows installs recently while messing with memory overclock so so that's why you know you just want to stay within like a thirty six hundred megahertz XMP and that'll like be the Jennifer ninety-nine you know percent of CPUs that'll be the comfortable limit where you don't have to really do anything so anyway that's the that's the memory settings next we're gonna go to the precision boost overdrive menu over here there you're just gonna set this to manual and you're gonna set the following limits of 300 to thirty and 2:30 the same limits I use for my 39 50 X the reason why we can use the same limits for both CPUs is because these are the APIs like these limits just work on both both of my CPUs I don't have a 3900 X and I don't have a 36 I ya 3900 X or a 3600 or a 3600 X I would assume these limits work on those CPUs as well because when I was testing my 39 50 X with only 12 cores enabled these limits still work just fine and basically what these settings do is they tell the CPU that it can use up to 300 watts of power which this is a 3700 X it is literally impossible for a 3700 X within the precision boost system to pull 300 Watts there's just no way to get it to pull that much power it doesn't have enough transistors to do that the other two limits are basically how much current the CPU can pull so we're telling it that it can pull up to 3 230 amps similar to the 300 watt power limit the CPU is not physically capable of pulling 230 amps it's a 3700 X now the 3950 X on the other hand can pull a very large amount of current and that is why if you have a 39 50 X these setting on say a be 450 motherboard these settings are probably going to make your motherboard overheat and shut down in multi-core workloads so I would not recommend doing this on a B 450 motherboard because they're just not built for the amount of power that a 39 50 X or even a 3900 X is capable of pulling when you disable the power limiters for it and then the last thing we're going to do is we're gonna set our precision boost overdrive scaler to 4x or actually we can just leave it at 2x basically you might want to like if you feel like it you can try messing around with like 1x 2x 3x 4x though in my experience on most motherboards the scaler doesn't do anything it doesn't change performance it doesn't change voltages it doesn't change power consumption I don't know why like I honestly sometimes question why AMD has all of these settings that don't do anything but I guess they really like making unnecessary toggles in their biases because yeah the other thing that also doesn't do anything so here we're just gonna go with 2x actually because I've done a couple well I've done test of 4 X 2 X 1 X 3 I like for this CPU on this motherboard doesn't make a difference on one other motherboard on an older bios version I was seeing seeing slight differences but that's the other thing is like on different BIOS versions the the boost system behavior changes with them so it's like it's not even consistent which is kind of annoying anyway um the next setting that absolutely doesn't do anything is the Mac CPU boost clock override in fear of the idea behind this setting is that if you set it all the way up to 200 megahertz in theory you would get 200 megahertz more boost in practice it does absolutely nothing so you don't have to worry about it you can just leave it on auto and just kind of forget that it exists because honestly if AMD removed it it wouldn't make a difference as far as I can tell now at the same time I have heard that maybe on like three well I've heard from some people that on some CPUs this does work but on none of my CPUs that like on my CPUs it doesn't do anything so I can't tell you that it does anything because I've never seen it do anything so yeah we're just gonna leave it on auto than the platform thermal throttle limit we're not gonna adjust that we're just gonna leave that on auto which uses the AMD thermal limit and that's how we can get away with running the stock cooler because if you did a just the thermal limit then instead of just sort of the CPU running up to the maximum safe temperature well you could tell it that it can run up to say 110 degrees which is not safe or well significantly less safe than say the stock thermal limit of 95 degrees which the CPU won't even reach like it'll start throttling but wait well before that so it'll top out around 94 for this setup right here but the thing is yeah like you could extend like raise the thermal throttle limit but that's a bad idea if you value the lifespan of your CPU so I would also not adjust that either yeah that's all we're gonna do for the the boost settings because yeah that's all you need to do with them really and these values in my experience are just the most consistent ones like I've heard of other value combinations that people have used but a lot of them from my like for this 3700 X these consistently deliver the best performance so yeah and the same for my 39 50 X actually it's just like these are the most consistent for getting maximum performance across a variety of workloads some of them very very very very heavy so anyway that's all we're gonna do in the BIOS you know just set the enable the XMP and set these precision boost overdrive limits and if you're on a B 450 motherboard with a 12 core or 16 core I just wouldn't do the PBO part like just just don't do that because those motherboards just aren't built for this much power consumption so now that's it for the BIOS setting so now we're just gonna f10 for save and save and reset now we're going to go into Windows and run a couple benchmarks just to show that you know this works now if you have a better cooling system then this will obviously have a bigger performance uplift if you have a CPU with that has better silicon you'll also see a better performance uplift than I will this chip like is just awful as far as I'm concerned and it is like a release like it seems to me at least that it seems like AMD's silicon quality has been improving over time and this is a release like yeah basically release weak CPU so it's one of the very very early samples and yeah it's just awful so anyway here's the baseline results so I ran all of these benchmarks with the system at stock so we can see that normally the CPU on this motherboard because that's this the other thing is that well there are some other boards that stock don't seem to follow AMD's stock settings and well that's kind of concerning it's like it's supposed to be stock guys but yeah so on this motherboard the CPU puts a spits out 47 71 Cinebench r20 sometimes it'll even do 47 80 but most of the time it hovers around like 47 74 Intel burn test it spits out about 95 gigaflops for this so HW bought x265 that is a video encoding benchmark and that runs just under 15 fps and then Geekbench 3 you know single cores 5100 24 points and thirty eight thousand seven hundred and thirty eight points for multi-core it's worth noting that Geekbench 3 has synthetic memory scores so and especially for the single core benchmark the the memory score can significantly if in flight the overall single core score so that's just something to keep in mind is like you'll see this score increase quite a bit but a lot of that is just like a memory performance improvement it's not necessarily like a major improvement in terms of the CPUs ability to do calculations because the precision boost overdrive system basically it increases the performance of the CPU when previously the CPU was limited by something so a 3700 Excel install settings will be running benchmarks while I explain that so a 3,700 X on stock settings has a power limit so the PPT limit that I changed in the BIOS to 300 Watts that is normally 84 watts which makes it really weird that AMD calls the 3700 X to 65 watt TDP CPU and the literal power limit in the BIOS is 84 but anyway so normally the CPU has an 84 watt power limit which means if the CPU starts pull it like if there's a workload that makes the CPU pull 84 Watts it'll start lowering the free it'll lower the frequency to stay within that 84 watt power consumption if you have a single core workload which is just because you only have one core doing any work it's not gonna pull as much power you're not gonna see like changing the power limit from 300 Watts to I mean from 84 watts to 300 Watts doesn't do anything in a workload that is single core and pulls roughly 20 watts alright so that's the that's the thing is like precision boost overdrive does not improve single core performance because your single core performance is not power limited in the first place and the same is true all the way up to like for thread six thread workloads because this is a 16 thread CPU so if you you know you have to keep in mind that there's the simultaneous multi-threading which basically means that for low core count or close this does absolutely nothing and the main place you'll see performance gains is heavy multi-threaded workloads but unfortunately we're on the the stock air cooler here so well actually this is one of the better scores I've seen it put out on this with with this cooling system with a better cooling system I've seen the CPU go all the way up into like the 49 50 range but at the same time the CPU is just kind of terrible in the sense that it needs way too much voltage to do even 4.2 gigahertz and using the precision boost system doesn't really change the the fact that the chip just needs way too much voltage for reasonable frequencies in multi like in all core workloads so that's kind of those things so we just got 48 83 for Cinebench so that's a nice little uplift right there and I'm just gonna calculate quickly what that is compared to stock but it's honestly like it's not impressive like it's a little bit Cinebench is not exactly sensitive to memory settings not enough to cause a hundred point change so anyway that that is a 2.4 percent while it's like a two point three five percent performance uplift so it's like two point three you know two points so yeah two point three percent performance uplift with a better CPU or a better cooling system you might see you know larger performance uplifts than this but this chip is just terrible and we are on the stock cooler so yeah Silicon lottery still applies even if you use AMD's automatic boost system it is worth noting that using PBO doesn't like you don't lose any idle power consumption it's just like the only workloads where your power consumption goes up is multi core workloads where previously you weren't hitting the power limit so that that's kind of the thing is just like in like basically unlike say normal overclocking this isn't well if you statically overclock rising your power consumption will for low core low thread count work loads will actually generally go down because you're gonna lose a single core speed but all right well basically there's no downside it's in terms of your like idle power efficiency or low thread count power efficiency compared to stock by doing this the only place where this increases the power consumption is you know workloads that already where we're hitting the power limit before which would be things like eight plus thread workloads that are very very heavy like 3d rendering here anyway the next thing we're going to run is Intel brand tests we are not going to run ten iterations of that Intel burn test is a while the version of Intel burn test I use as a V X acceleration in it it's very hot it's very memory heavy and it's also rather long so we're only going to do three loops of it and the other downside with the the stock air cooler is not only does you know it limit how much of a performance gain you get from the precision boost system because basically once the CPU is no longer limited by power consumption the that's gonna be reducing its frequency is the temperature that it's running at and the voltages that it's supplying so there's a upper limit to how much voltage the CPU is gonna take at any given temperature and there's a defined frequency for every level of voltage that the CPU is willing to run at so that means if the CPU gets very hot and it reduces the voltage to stay cooler well you're gonna lose frequency in the process because the voltage comes down the frequency comes down with it so yeah and the the other thing is the cooler does get loud so like technically you can do this on the stock air cooler and there's definitely like there's no harm in doing this to your CPU cuz it still has all the same thermal limits the only thing that's changed is like now it's not going to power limit so but the downside is it's loud and the performance gains are kind of small so you might want to consider getting like a better air cooler for a 3,700 X I would not consider like an AI oh I'd say is unnecessarily expensive you can get you know 50 to 70 dollar air coolers which have absolutely like have more than enough cooling performance for a 3,700 X and they're probably going to be quieter than an AI oh just because most air coolers go with very low rpm fans except for like stuff like well depends on how much you're spending on your air cooler but once you start getting into the better ones they tend to top out at around 1,500 rpm whereas most AI O's aren't that afraid of having fans that top out at over 2,000 so yeah anyway so here we're getting ninety eight point the you can actually see the performance drop off as the heat builds up so the first first-run loop there is 98.6 gigaflop so the second one is ninety eight point four then third one is ninety eight point three if we ran out a few more loops it would come down maybe a little bit more but you can see how basically as the chip gets hotter the performance comes down but still we're seeing a performance uplift of ways that will go with the ninety eight eight point two six right compared to previously the 94.9 which that's about a three point three point five percent performance uplift which it's like okay that's not very much but at the same time if you're enabling your XMP profile and you're already in the bio so you may as well change the peo limits because there's really no harm in doing that as far as I'm concerned you know and you do just punch in three well yeah you punch in three numbers it's also worth noting that the PBO limits of 300 to 38 to 34 on the if you're basically on the latest miles for your motherboard and you punch in values higher than that you're actually gonna lose performance why I have no idea but AMD's boost system like well general fun a general feature of most AMD anything that's supposed to be smart is that it's dumb and if you give it a too big number it breaks so if you set more than if you set the two TDC and EDC above 230 you'll start losing performance so that's why I set the limits to 300 230 230 and not like 300 300 300 or just set them to the highest possible input that you can set into those fields which do believe for this motherboard is going to be like 999 or something so yeah but that just doesn't work that that would actually lose your performance so don't do that what was the next workload h.265 so IBT actually does benefit quite a bit from memory performance so that's why it sees a bigger performance uplift than Cinebench it also runs hotter than Cinebench so it bounces off like at stock settings IBT actually bounces off of the power limit more than Cinebench does anyway so now we're gonna run x265 here it is just a 4k video encode I don't too long and previously in this we'd be getting fourteen point nine five seven fps this is well this actually depends like how all this runs kind of depends on how many cores your CPU has just because of the limitations of the x265 encoder or h.265 encoder so yeah but only on the 3700 X it actually maxes out basically the entire chip and we're not gonna open up any monitoring because that affects the scores and for the previous runs I didn't have any monitoring open for the scores so we will do a test of like can I get the CPU to overheat with prime95 128 K FFT size which is pretty much the hot it actually it's not pretty much it is just as hot as just running straight small FFTs except it uses more of the cache I don't think it's enough of a effort like the FFT size is still so small that I don't think it actually gets into the main memory yeah which is most of the reason why it runs so hot but uh yeah so like these these were closed right now these are not worst-case scenario like IB T is pretty heavy but worst-case scenario is very much like prime95 128 K FFT size there are some 3d rendering applications that get close to prime95 levels of power consumption Cinebench is not one of them Cinebench is relatively light even the latest revision 20 with a V X acceleration is actually not much heavier in terms of power consumption than revision revision 15 the main difference is that it's longer so it's more like it if you have a weak cooling so r20 complains about it more than ar-15 because it runs longer and so it's gonna heat like it's gonna hit the thermal thermal capacity of your cooling system sooner or while the benchmark is running whereas with our 15 you could sometimes finish it before anything really got very before anything even got hot anyway so the score we got is fifteen point seven fps whereas previously it was putting out fourteen point nine five seven and that's about a five percent uplift which you know xh2 the this benchmark pretty CPU heavy also very memory dependent so that sees the largest performance uplift so far now we're just gonna run Geekbench 3 and so this is a this has some single core tests in it as a multi core tests in it but the thing is obviously has those synthetic memory tests so it's gonna spit out as a single core score that looks really good but most of that score is the the memory test being way better because instead of running stock which is for most memory kits if you if you have a memory kit that has an XMP profile and you don't enable the XMP profile it will probably default to 2133 CL 15 so if you if you assemble your system and never go into the BIOS to turn on XMP your memory is gonna run at 21 33 which basically is that the stock memory performance in Geekbench 3 is terrible and actually that's also part of why x265 runs so badly is just that stalk is is that well it's run at 21 33 CL 15 because that's the default memory the default speed for a lot of memory kits out there you can get memory kits that will default to up to 3200 mega Hertz at CL 22 it's just that you're gonna be like they're kinda those are actually kind of awkward to find those kinds of memory kits and yeah so here we have our our Geekbench 3 score if we compare it to the previous score what you'll notice and zoom in on this so get our score here so it looks like we have a pretty large uplift in the single core score right five thousand four hundred and fifty-one compared to five thousand hundred twenty four but we see like a thousand four hundred points uplift in the memory performance whereas floating point performance basically hasn't changed at all right that's still five thousand three hundred and eighteen versus 5304 and single core score I mean integer performance has gone from five thousand three hundred and eighty two to five thousand four hundred and eighty eight so while this is saying that we have a performance uplift of like three hundred points looking at something like the actual integer performance it's more like a hundred so and most of like and most of that can still be attributed to the memory because the boost system PBO does not make single-threaded workloads run faster that's just not something it does and that that's like I've tested that extensively that's just not a thing I've never seen an improved single core now multi-core score has seen a decent uplift so we actually see about you know six hundred points multi-core floating-point workloads about a thousand okay now more like eight hundred points for for multi-core integer workloads and then also about a two thousand point uplift for you know the memory workload and multi-core and I just wanted to go over and so the overall performance uplift there is like thirty nine six hundred and forty seven divided by the previous score of thirty eight seven three eight small what I want yeah seven three eight so that's about a two point three percent performance uplift which well we're on the stock cooler the CPU really isn't that great like I'm sure there are chips out there which might pick up closer to well the other thing is is like the 3700 X well it depends on the CPU heavily with the 3950 X you might see up to say a 10 percent performance uplift best-case scenario and if you get a really lucky 3700 X you might see something so but I would not count on it I would expect if you have a good cooling system I would expect anywhere depending on the workload anywhere between and multi-core workloads anywhere between sort of 2% and 5% performance uplift the thing is and I know that doesn't sound very impressive but it's like while you're all ready you're going into the BIOS on enabling XMP just stop by the precision boost menu on the way all right like it really doesn't take any time so the last thing we're gonna do is we're just gonna see that while I'm just gonna prove that the CPU isn't gonna well it's kind of hard to prove because really we could just run prime95 for like hours and hours and hours but the thing is at some point it would start warming up the room because the rooms actually pretty cold most of the time but uh anyway I'm just gonna show that you know we can't just over like the CPUs not just gonna destroy itself right now even on the stock cooler so yeah and we can see prime95 you know peaks at like a hundred and forty watts and the power consumption is actually gonna come down as the temperature goes up because the CPU is gonna throttle itself back more and more as the the temperature goes up and immediately we go up to 1.25 volts and it's actually gonna drop down from there if we had a better cooling system it's not dropping right now it's still warming up by the time it hits 90 degrees I expect it to be around one point two three but yeah so that's the thing even with a stock cooler you can do the PBO adjustments and the CPU will still control itself and not you know just thermal like overheat whereas with static overclocks you can very easily get the CPU over a hundred degrees I've not yet had a rising like thermal shutdown on me which is uh this is kind of concerning but at the same time I'm not really interested in testing if the three if they're like the thermal shutdown functionality works properly because that's just kind of like I don't want to find out that it shuts down at like a hundred and twenty or something like this the CPU is already in bad enough condition I don't need to make it worse well I don't need to make it worse any time soon I still have like tests planned for it so yeah and you can see that we're just kind of you know going up to 90 the voltage it like now it's doing like one point two three eventually you should drop down to one point two five one point two to five so yeah you know like even on the stock cooler if you don't mind the because it will create more noise that's I think the biggest downside so yeah the CPU won't like destroy itself it will however make your computer kind of loud especially if you do heavy multi-core workloads so I guess the biggest argument to not do PBO on the stock cooler is the noise but from a safety perspective it's fine because all of the usual thermal limits are still there it's just that you told the CPU hey if you're not overheating you can use more power and well you know like well it's not really overheating it's still at 90 degrees and the stock thermal limit is at 95 but it is running halt and the CPU is you know doing like it's not gonna go above 90 because it won't it won't decide to do that on its own so yeah now the power consumption is coming down a bit so that's the thing if we had a better cooling system instead of you know dropping down to thirty nine point five and finally twenty five we could be you know if I had a cooling system that have this 15 degrees cooler we would probably be a little over 4 gigahertz instead of little under 4 gigahertz the thing is that still doesn't make that much of a performance difference because going from 39.5 to say like it let's say it did 41 so 4.1 gigahertz instead of just three point nine five gigahertz the thing about that like frequency uplift is that is a like three point eight percent frequency uplift which is just like that's that at best in workloads that's going to make a three point eight performance difference a three point eight percent performance difference so it's kind of the thing but at the same time and also I this chip doesn't do four point one for prime95 even when it isn't cooling constrained just not good enough for that so yeah but that's it but that's really all there is to doing a precision boost overdrive overclock on ASUS motherboards I would assume that like you know as I said when with the limits like 300 230 230 for my 30-some 100x for my 39 50x those limits work the best they give the most consistent performance uplifts there are some limit like I have seen one combination of settings that would score better in like Cinebench and it would not score better anywhere else and the improvement in Cinebench was like one percentage point so i was just like wow that's not really worth discussing so whereas like everything else lost signal well actually the performance loss was also about 1% everywhere in in the other workloads that you know were negatively affected by it so at that point it's like well just use the 230 and also that those settings actually don't benefit this 3700 X at all for some reason which which doesn't really make sense but yeah so for the ending I'm just going to go back into the BIOS so yeah you can PBO on the stock air cooler for Verizon CPUs well the 3700 X at least like the the thing is if you did this on like I don't know what the how well the stock cooler for like a 3600 would handle these settings but I would imagine like worst case scenario you're just not gonna see any performance uplift right like that's the thing is just like if the cooler can't keep up the CPU will just not speed up now that's that's all that really happens so yeah whereas if the stock cooler can keep up well you get a bunch of free perfor well not really a bunch but you get a little bit more performance for free so yeah these limits you can try playing with the scaler I've never seen it do anything on the latest BIOS version which for this multiple the BIOS version we're on is 1405 which using the mouse and the BIOS is just a terrible like you should not use the mouse in the BIOS I don't know why motherboard vendors vendors even bother including Mouse functionality and biases is just like if anything it's obnoxious but yeah so this is on the 1405 bios which is the latest BIOS for this motherboard right and just go into pvo set those limits enable your XMP make sure that you're at 36 hundred megahertz if you don't want to mess around with memory stability testing and your gold right assuming you don't have it if you're on a better cooling system you're gonna see better better better performance improvements than I've seen here but I did want to demonstrate that yeah even if you have the stock cooler you can still do this it's just kind of gonna not necessarily have that much of a impact on your workloads so yeah that's it for the video thanks for watching like share subscribe leave any comments questions suggestions down in the comment section below and if you'd like to support what I do here with actually a hardcore overclocking I have a patreon where it can support me directly there's a link to that down in the description below which speaking of that thanks to the patrons for you know funding all of the hardware that I used for making this video and then also there's the H Oct spring store where you can pick up shirts stickers posters and thank you to those people as well because well that also helps with funding the channel so yeah there's a link to that down in the description is a description as well so if you'd like to check that out that would be awesome and that's it for the video so yeah goodbye I'm gonna hit the stop button now I'm so good at outros yeah
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Channel: Actually Hardcore Overclocking
Views: 131,333
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Keywords: Overclocking, PCbuilding, Buildzoid, AHOC, Actually, Hardcore, Hardware, OC, AMD, ASUS, Ryzen, motherboard, precision boost, PBO, AM4, X570, Strix, 3700X, XMP, BIOS, settings
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Length: 39min 38sec (2378 seconds)
Published: Sun Mar 01 2020
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