Overclocking a Ryzen 5 3600 on the MSI X570 Tomahawk // should apply to most MSI motherboards

hi guys bill zoid here and today we are going to be overclocking a ryzen 5 3600 on the msi x570 uh tomahawk motherboard so this is the very first time that i'm working with the cpu i mean i check that the operating system i have works with the the system but um yeah i i have no idea how this chip is gonna overclock um i've not used this motherboard before but it should be just fine like i've used plenty of x570 msi boards so i don't really expect any surprises also the bios here is going to be extremely similar to any b550 msi motherboards so uh yeah you like if you have a 3600 and you're using a b550 msi motherboard you can basically follow what i do here for the the for for this cpu and really for any other 3000 series chip as well uh for cooling i'm not using the stock cooler of the 3600 because uh yeah i looked at that it's it's a block of aluminum um we're not using that so i'm using the wraith prism instead so that's the heatsink that comes with a 3700 x because uh it's a pretty decent air cooler so if you're going to be upgrade like you know if you're gonna be overclocking i would assume that you buy yourself a slightly better uh you know cpu cooler and maybe like uh like the wraith prism is still like it isn't that great compared to like a 120 millimeter you know single tower cooler at around the 20 to 30 dollar uh price point but uh uh it like i don't actually have a dual tower like well i don't have a heatsink like that um so yeah that's why i'm using this so i'm not on like a couch like i'm not on an ai or something ridiculous like that because uh it doesn't make sense to spend almost almost as much as your cpu costs on cooling in my opinion well depends on the use case but if you're just doing a regular daily build that it doesn't make any sense to do that kind of thing so anyway here we are in the bios uh we need to get out of easy mode how is f7 okay it's it's different on uh like gigabyte i think it's f2 to go uh easy mode anyway on f1 you get all your different bios sort of help tips there so just going to show you that anyway right now everything is completely stuck but the first thing i'm going to be doing is just enabling the xmp profile the memory kit i'm using here is a 3466 cl 16 hynix cjr based g-skill trident z kit um so yeah i mean optimally i would be using a 3600 cl 16 kit but 3466 is not that much slower than 3600 so this is fine as well that's that's why i went with this kit um and i guess we'll we'll do a baseline run of cinebench though funnily enough cinebench does not care about memory settings like at all and in some situations you can actually lose score when at stock settings you enable xmp because xmp eats a little bit into your power budget and so you lose a bunch of boost and cinebench doesn't care about memory so you well you don't lose a bunch of boost but you lose like a little bit of boost and cinebench doesn't care about memory so you basically just lose a couple points doing that um and we're not going to be focusing on memory overclocking today so cinebench is just fine this is a six core we are not going to be doing cinebench r20 just because it's going to take way too long we're going to use r15 it does like the the thing is the heat load between either cinebench is completely fine for monitoring hardware info 60 hardware info best monitoring software there is like don't use anything else and especially don't use hardware monitor hardware monitor is garbage it's been garbage since like the fx era don't use it use hardware info hardware info is great um anyway so let's just run this now we'll find out if i screwed up something with the cooling system i didn't cpu's sitting at around 70 degrees which is actually surprisingly hot uh 91 yeah okay it's a 65 watt cpu so uh you know amd has a very like well basically i think they're just lying about the tdp this should be right like this should be specked as a 88 watt cpu but the thing is like what they do is basically they give you a 65 watt heatsink so if you're on the stock cooler the cpu will probably eventually throttle itself thermally down to 65 watts because the heatsink can't do 88 so that that's amd's gdp definition right there is like it's not actually what the cpu is limited to it's just what the heatsink can deal with anyway so we've got a 16 14 we should run that a couple times just because cinebench isn't uh super uh like consistent um yeah temperatures are fine we're boosting to a little over four gigahertz so i don't know like this is a new cpu very like i i bought it uh yesterday so hopefully the silicon quality is good i have no idea what to expect also i'm wondering what voltage we're sitting at when we run that so okay so around 1600 is what this scores and we're sitting at around 1.3 volts running cinebench so yeah but right now we're like we're hitting the power limit so this doesn't tell us if we're like it doesn't tell us that we're maxing out the fit system of the cpu we're just maxing out the power limit so anyway around 1600 is what it scores at stock so hopefully i can push it to well we're not doing 10 because if you want to do 10 like if you want a 10 increase in cinebench score you would have to go from four point like it's running like 4.075 so we'd have to be doing like 4.4 plus which i mean i have heard of some ryzen 3600s doing like 4.5 gigahertz but i'd say those are probably anomalies rather than your average cpu um so yeah we'll we'll see so first things first we need to figure out the fit limits for the cpu and the cooling system the cool thing about the fit limits is that like if if you do this um the like basically we're gonna find out and we're just gonna punch in something like we don't like the thing is so if you like with the fit limits what like the the thing is if you don't have enough cooling and the chip ends up running at like 90 degrees or something then the fit system is naturally going to lower the voltage to accommodate for that really high operating temperature so basically it tells you exactly where the limit is uh even for like even like cooling considerations and everything so if you had a better cooling system the fit will actually give you a higher voltage a higher voltage recommendation because it's like well your cooling is good enough to take it anyway we're not gonna like the the reason why i'm not just punching in something like that for every single one of these limits is that amd's lovely boost algorithm tends to glitch out if you do something like that so instead we're gonna go for a unreasonably high but like the the thing is this is a six core um the 3700x i don't think i've ever seen do over 150 watts so we can just sort of punch in one cell like i i assume if we just punch in 160 or something like this for every single one of these values it shouldn't glitch anything out but we should be maxed out on the power limit the scalar i'm going to leave at 1x because there's some really like in my past testing the higher scalers they don't really affect your single core or your max like full core workloads in terms of voltages but they do some really weird things with the voltages in the medium load range so like between like from two cores down to like uh you know well like 14 threads of load actually no but by then you're pretty much so depends on the workload but basically for medium loading the scalers actually do stuff to the voltage they don't really do anything to the perform like they don't actually don't do anything to the performance at all but your worst case scenario and your best case scenario doesn't change so it's just like we're not gonna change the scaler at all and we're not gonna adjust really anything else here either yeah this should be enough well actually we could max these out just in case and this this mouse is a little on the laggy side right now actually i think this is on the bios that the board shipped with i should have probably updated the bios oh well whatever it doesn't really change the methodology that much though it might change like the thing is the pbo works a little bit differently with the various hesa versions so it might affect that a bit like it won't affect the static overclock but it can affect the how the fit behaves like i think some of the really early biases actually have a more aggressive voltage uh behavior than the like more recent biases anyway so now we're oh no that's that's 20 that's not 15 i don't want to run 20. so i don't expect too much of a performance uplift but since we were originally riding like it was right up against the power limit um i do expect a an improvement now um so we're just going to run that let's see no i didn't want to drag anything huh it's still sitting at the same power limit if anything it looks like it's running slower did i screw up something yeah it's running the same as before oh boy okay well i guess we're not gonna open ryzen master because this is that os where it's broken like all i wanted to do was check if the the settings took i don't believe cinebench like like it was still reading 80 86 watts so if i put these back to auto i this like obnoxious amd software okay the thing is the behavior is not even completely consistent across different motherboards i think the most vanilla implementation of amd bios is gigabyte and then like msi is like msi works but they have definitely have done some like extra things to their bios and then there's like asrock where asrock's bios has like broken power limits a lot of the time um but uh yeah so anyway let's run the cinebench 15 and this time i'll actually make a shortcut for it because i do not feel like going into this folder all the time now it's still running right up against the power limit am i stupid or something like does this chip like it's not impulsive no eight core max like so the eight cores max out a little over a hundred i guess it makes sense that the six core wouldn't really go above 90 watts no matter what you do but that's annoying cpu features i wonder if yeah no these are all set also apparently this works on the 3600s but i've never tried that so let's try that like 160 is a lot maybe it's too much this is why you should just leave your eyes in that stock i'm joking though actually for some of the cpus it does make sense like my 3700x does not overclock at all that's like an early launch cpu and so yeah that one's really bad um and i've made it worse over time mostly because i just wouldn't like yeah by just mashing voltage into it to compensate for the silicon quality and so that's just been getting worse anyway let's run this in a bunch again nah now the the the frequency setting still doesn't do anything well no it doesn't do anything yeah we're still at 1.3 ish volts like temperatures are fine and we're riding right up against the power limit so i guess it's just not going to give us any more voltage for this or like any more boost for this regardless of what i do yeah and the reason why the score is low is because i was like opening up stuff while it was running you know i take back what i said about the the prism being decent like if you actually buy a proper like 120 millimeter tower cooler it's gonna be a hell of a lot quieter than the prism this thing's loud like surprisingly loud i wasn't like for the fact that this is a six core i was expecting this to do a much better job but yeah no it doesn't okay so the next test i want to run is worst case scenario because the cinebench it is not actually that heavy so what we're going to run now is 128k uh 128k fft size prime95 and this should be with avx so it should run at lower voltages yeah so looks like and we're going to let this warm up a bit we are on a small air cooler so it should saturate pretty quick it looks like the voltage limit's going to be like 1.29 1.28 um and cinebench was running a little over 1.3 i'm just going to reset the monitoring there we go because i want to watch the the minimum voltage and the thing is as the temperature goes up the voltage is going to go down oh no okay so now the the power limit actually does something so for whatever reason it's just cinebench so i guess cinebench was already writing the voltage limit at stock and prime95 was like prime95 would have hit the power limit if i had run it at stock because right now we're at 110 watts which is 20 watts above the power limit okay so it looks for like my voltage settings i'm probably going to be looking at like 1.32 with about 50 millivolts a group maybe more but that's kind of what i'm thinking right now because just looking at because we're getting you know down to the the thing is is are you going to be running prime95 24 7 right like that's that's another consideration is like how much load are you going to be putting on your cpu i still don't think like so like i'd be willing to tolerate being 10 20 millivolts above the fit limit if i also consider the fact that i'm never gonna run my cpu this hard right because you you can see in cinebench it was sitting at a 1.3 to like 1.33 volts and that's because cinebench is a much milder multi-core workload i think it's maxed out on the temperatures i wonder if we have a vrm temperature sensor on this yes we do math the board just doesn't care like with the the prism being a downdraft cooler and the fact that this board's vr like this board is completely overkill for this interesting that we're getting a bit of a voltage disparity between the vrv out the thing is this sensor i do believe is far more like this sensor should be more accurate than svi 2 tfn even though the svi 2 tfn sensor is actually just the cpu reporting what the vrm tells it and the vrm tells it this so those should be exactly the same unless there's something very wrong with like the software configuration of the motherboard um anyway yeah so i i kind of wish i had a bigger cooler on this like still i would like putting an aio on a six-core cpu in my opinion is kind of like okay that this is not realistic and not useful to to somebody actually considering a ryzen 3600 build because they're not gonna spend a hundred dollars on an aio but yeah you know like a 20 heatsink would have probably gone a long way because this this uh isn't great the thing i think amd actually rates the prism as being a 125 watt cooler so it's not really a surprise that at 110 watts it's maxed out or you know getting mac like close to maxed out um yeah the board just doesn't like the thing is we have airflow from the cpu cooler hitting the vrm so this is not going to have any kind of thermal issues anyway so that's that's it for for prime95 um which uh yeah so minimum voltage 1.25 volts so you know 20 millivolts above that i'll still tolerate it so it's everything and wait did i not close prime properly no i did oh right amd implemented uh there there's fans like there's smoothing on the dye temperature like the uh control temperature is smoothed out so you can see how the dye temperature is like way lower right now than the the control temperature it's like control slash die temperature and the reasoning behind that is if you slow down how quickly the temperature ramps up and down that's the temperature that's actually used for fan control so you slow down the ramp on that and you don't get the like early early ryzen cpus would have a really nasty like the fan would just freak out at random because the temperature reading would update really quickly and like because of the like burstiness of the boost algorithm you'd get spikes of high temperature on the cpu that would translate into you know fan speed spikes which were really annoying um and completely ineffective because ultimately the reason the temperature was high was because the heat had a hard time leaving the cpu not because the cpu was actually like there was no need to ramp up the fan it was like it was 20 watts of heat being generated by one core like you're just not gonna get rid of that there's nothing you can do about it anyway so yeah at this point i have my you know voltages so we're going to go down to here and we're going to go override mode 1.33 i said 1.33 thank you very much uh load line calibration i think we're going to start with mode 4 and we're going to see where it goes um from there uh cpu over voltage protection we're going to max that out over current protection max out switching frequency you can leave that on auto but well actually this board i'm not sure if this board has it but some of the other msi boards will have glitches like 1 000 kilohertz doesn't work um all the time so don't like i wouldn't go to that setting even like even if you don't have any vrm issues thermal issues the thing is this basically the idea behind this is is it can slightly improve your transient response um the downside is it increases your vrm heat output with a 3600 i don't really think this is too important to adjust but and we can bump it up to 700 kilohertz and it's not going to change anything we're going to leave temperature alone load line calibration for the soc we can actually leave that alone because we're just running xmp so i don't need to worry about that um we are 12 volt in we're gonna max that out so there that's that's everything adjusted the way i'd like to adjust it and now let's go to the cpu and actually we have per ccx on this don't we there's only two ccx's though so this is probably not gonna go very far yeah okay now we're not gonna go so we're gonna go all core and i'm gonna start at 41. we're going to start with 41 just because that's a little bit above what the cpu would naturally boost to and at this point the thing is with ryzen as soon as you change your your core ratio it disables all the power management stuff um in fact i think it even disables c states though that depends also somewhat on the motherboard like some other boards will still have c states working um some boards don't so we'll see once we get into windows if it's always stuck at 4.1 gigahertz or not but uh it very well should be at this point not that it's a big deal for your idle power consumption because the cpu like if the cpu isn't doing anything sitting at 4.1 gigahertz doesn't actually like pull that much power even if you're at 1.33 volts like the the power draw is much more affected by what you're running than what the settings the cpu is at so let's get cinebench hardware info like i first want to check that i didn't screw up my voltage settings for cinebench and then we're going to run prime95 because i like prime95 is way hotter so if we have a if we have a thermal issue in cinebench then i prime95 is going to complain a lot okay voltages that's a less droop than i was aiming for like power consumption is obviously higher because the voltage is static now um yeah that's a lot less droop than what i was aiming for and we got a very mild score increase because you know technically we're like 25 megahertz faster than stock sometimes okay now we're yeah 1625 so that's the highest score so far it's still not a great score so let's see prime95 i'm starting to get the feeling that this mount might like the optical sensor on this mouse is going it keeps randomly glitching out okay yeah i really overshot it on the llc setting yeah yeah i i overdid that there's not enough droop there's nowhere near enough troop so we can just restart like that was what like 10 20 it was like 10 millivolts of droop which is like i was aiming for 70. so i'm just going to set the llc all the way down to mode 8 or whatever because uh yeah there was like no v-droop on that which is not good like it's not good for your transient response and also just like i could lower the voltage but the the thing is um well actually i have a video covering that so i'll hopefully i'll remember to include the video on why you don't want to just have zero v droop um somewhere in the description so we're just gonna max that all the way out also i get the feeling even with that it's probably not going to droop as much as i want it to um so we might lower the voltage a little bit but also i think at this point we can start raising the frequency so i'm going to go to 42. if this runs cinebench this is already way better than my 3700x man that ship is so bad it needs like 1.4 volts to do cinebench at 4.2 that's also kind of why it's got been getting worse over time actually i think it needs a little over 1.4 for 4.2 so yeah i really hope that this time i'm lucky my 3950x is very average as far as i'm concerned but this that like my 3700x is just awful okay so we're at 1.32 1.312 okay now i'm getting more droop than i was aiming for right because now we're all the way down at 1.256 in cinebench whereas i was aiming for like so cinebench runs around 97 amps actually no that's not right it's running 85 watts so prime95 runs over a hundred so prime95 is probably going to be hitting like what like 1.22 1.23 maybe maybe even less than that so now i have way too much droop i'm re-running it because i wasn't happy that it spat out a sixteen twenty that's more like it but yeah the the thing is cinebench is almost linear with just frequency like cpu frequency so you know stock or is the calculator stock was like 40 the no 47.5 and actually i'm doing this backwards so we're at 4200 right now stock was like 47.5 right so we've gone up three percent um which originally it was scoring like 1600 and yeah so we're we're underperforming a little bit but the thing is it wasn't really 40 75 it was like 4 100 to 40 75 so yeah um no i wouldn't like to save the benchmark score so cinebench i'd i'd want it to be hitting like 1.27 load 1.256 is way too low so we're going to go up to mode seven i think would be really neat if motherboards actually specified the load line settings in like well millions of resistance go actually i'm going to bump up the voltage back up i guess i could have bumped up the frequency again as well we could have gotten like some some stability testing in along with the just dialing in the voltage settings right now but it should be fine hardware info and cinebench and right i'm just going to fire that off no okay now we're getting like 1.28 so prime95 should be pretty close to that because we're pulling you know we're pulling almost 90 watts here and the v-droop is based on how much current the cpu is pulling so if the cpu is pulling 90 watts then and you droop how much is this this is drooping like 60 um millivolts then at 110 like at 110 watts we should be drooping another um what is that going from 90 to 100 like 10 percent something like that so we'll probably end up at around 1.24 so now we can actually run prime95s t's and also it's worth noting that the really small ffts like 16k and that kind of thing they're actually colder on ryzen than 128k which is why i'm running 128. yeah so we're getting that 1.256 as the temperature of the cpu comes up a bit the voltage might come down because the cpu pulls more power the the hotter it runs and therefore obviously you get more droop so i'm going to wait for it to get back up to around 90 degrees we are pulling a bit more power than than at stock and that's just because the frequency is now higher the cpu power consumption is basically like your cpu power draw is pretty much linear with uh core clock and uh quadratic with voltage so if you go from like 1.1 if you go from 1 volt to 1.1 volts you get a 21 increase in power consumption ignoring any thermal effects as in normally what happens when you go up you know 10 in voltage and you get your 21 nominal current draw increase you also get an operating temperature increase that further increases the overall power consumption uh also going from say 4 gigahertz to 4.4 gigahertz will lead to a roughly 10 increase in power consumption so um yeah at completely stock settings it was hovering around 1.28 volts and pulling 110 watts well now we're at 4.2 gigahertz and pulling 116 which is what i'd expect also the temperature's gone up a bit so i think the droop right now is about perfect because if i uh if i reduce the v-droop anymore this is gonna get like we're gonna hit 95 degrees and that's that's not okay so we're gonna stop that i'm just gonna shut down and restart now we're just going to crank up the cpu frequency until it stops being able to run prime95 i have no idea why this os takes so long to shut down probably has something to do with why ryzen master doesn't want to start on it either and maybe also the fact that it's like a legacy windows 10 install you might be like why is it a legacy windows 10 install well i used it for x58 so that's that's part of it um all right actually at this point we just want to change the frequency i'm just going to go straight to 4.4 i i want to see like i want to see how quickly it doesn't work or maybe i got mega lucky and it does work i mean it boots that that's a really great sign like if i wanted to boot 4.4 gigahertz on my 3700x i'd be at 1.45 volts so this chip is like so much better if it's stable at 4.4 like that is actually worth running every day like all day every day this would be totally worth running except for the part where the cooler is not quite up to the task so i'm going to start with cinebench because i want to see like cinebench not a good stability test but it doesn't insta crash man the the this new silicon is just crazy this is so much better than my 3700x yeah now we're pulling what oh no still 91 watts i don't get what this this current reading right here is supposed to be like where is that even coming from because the vrm is reading that's a bit low oh and now we're getting 1700 so that's nice yeah so at this point i would just let it you know run prime95 for like an hour and i think it just crashed yeah it just crashed so 4.4 doesn't seem to be possible but like you know it ran for a couple seconds which is impressive and i do believe the max boost on these chips is 4.3 so if you can run 4.3 on all your cores stable that's as far like that's still worth it as far as i'm concerned but let's try per ccx which shouldn't affect cinebench scores too much i normally i'd assume the ccx 0 is higher quality than ccx1 so we're going to try 44 and 443 actually 43.5 and 44.50 there i'm going to go look up the the stock specs for a 3600. i believe the max boost for single core is 4.3 in which case like th this is just always faster at this point like max boost clocked up to 4.2 oh hell like yeah if we okay so this is definitely worth it as far as i'm concerned like at stock settings this chip will literally only boost up to 4.2 gigahertz max boost for amd maximum achievable by single core yeah so it single core boost is 4.2 gigahertz then it's like i can run probably like it this will run at least 4.3 i think um so at this point it's just like yeah this is totally worth running static i mean it's not a huge performance increase right like going from what 1600 ish to [Music] i'm assuming 1700 ish okay so ccx is zero i'm ccx0 did not like my my approach to the frequency that died even faster i guess we could try the other way around as well just to see if like which ccx is weaker as in like 43 50 or more like the 44 already 450. if this doesn't crash then that tells us that ccx1 is stronger than ccx0 which uh like it's not impossible it's just like as far as i'm aware it should always be the first ccx that is better but i like the thing at the same time it's not like i've bend a bunch of cpus this is literally my third ryzen 3000 so yeah also it's worth noting that if you're doing a bunch of like or like cpu overclocking is generally not too bad on the braking operating system side of things but uh memory overclocking has a tendency to just destroy operating systems um because you can sometimes get into the os with settings that just cause horrible amounts of corruption before they really error out and yeah so because of that you should probably make a small like spare partition or just get a really cheap 60 gig ssd or something like like just anything that you can use for stress testing i guess if you find viable like good like i've not messed around with this but in theory you could probably stress test on linux um and then just go back to using your windows system anyway because the thing is like you can boot linux off of a usb stick so you won't need even like an entire ssd for it anyway let's get cinebench and actually we don't need hardware info because we know for a fact that this isn't going to overheat and okay so ccx 0 is the weaker ccx on my cpu um that's fun and this is well yeah i'm not sure that that's actually a major concern like me like the the thing i'm wondering is like okay if ccx0 is worse than ccx1 single threaded applications are probably going to prefer running on ccx0 compared to ccx1 so yeah that's that's not great oh and then it died again okay so the ccx1 is better but not that much better so i'm assuming this should be able to do something like 4350 with uh 44 on the second chip at the on the second actually it could have still been ccx0 crashing that but hard to say at this point because the thing is we know like at 4.4 all cores it crashed on the second run so it's like right now it's just like is it because of cc x1 or is it because of ccx0 i don't know it could be either of them now the question is how quickly will it die when i open prime95 but the thing is even even if i got stuck at 4.3 gigahertz like this is still faster than stock under all conditions so i would consider that very much worth it and i am opening up hardware info for prime95 because it does run hot and i do want to see the temperatures and it is worth noting that ryzen does get less stable as it gets hotter so again if you had a better heat sink than what i'm using with the wraith prism the lower temperatures would slightly improve stability also it wouldn't be as loud so yeah anyway and it died that's roughly what i was expecting 43 43.50 i'm just assuming that there's a 50 megahertz gap between the two two ccx's there's nothing saying that there has to be like i think on my 3950x there's a 100 megahertz gap between the weakest and the strongest cc actually on the same ccd um there's a hundred megahertz gap across the entire chip i think there's like 150 or 200 megahertz gap as in i have one ccd that runs like 4450 or 44 and then they're like the worst ccd is 4250 i know for a fact that the worst one is 42.50 because the whole chip is stuck at 42. like if i just do per like if i do the whole chip as uh all core overclock then it gets stuck at 42.50 um but if i go per ccx i think there's one cc like one ccx that goes all the way up to 44.50 and then like the the other ccx on that same ccd is 4350 or 4300 i'm not sure right now so prime95 oh covered up hardware info um well actually considering how quickly it crashed the first time i i guess we can just fire it off and see okay fan is spinning up hasn't managed to die yet that's pretty good this doesn't really mean anything right now but yeah so at this point you might want to like it might be worth it to bump up the ccx1 again like maybe ccx1 will do 4.4 so yeah that's it this that that's basically it for for the overclocking here this is way like like first of all it's actually worth it because we are you know 100 megahertz above like at least 100 megahertz above a single core boost the voltages are completely acceptable even for for prime95 i mean and there it goes okay it died again as long as we're above 4.2 gigahertz i consider it worth it because it is actually like it is an overclock for both single core and all core workloads i'm not sure like i wish there was some way to know which ccx is causing the crashing but there isn't so yeah like i i could drop one down 50 megahertz if it still crashes i can drop the other one down 50 megahertz and then eventually what i what i would do is i would run prime95 with ffts from 32k all the way up to a hundred no for ryzen i think you should go up to like 256 or something or like like on intel once you go past like 192k it actually doesn't it's not it doesn't really change like it just gets really cold and basically worthless um but if on on ryzen because the l3 caches are so big i think it actually like all the 192k is still really hot and uh very like like is still hard to run but i'm not sure where like the so i'd probably go up to like 256. so i'd run from 32k fft size all the way up to 256k fft size and i'd run that for an hour and then i don't know no not intel brain test um i'm not sure what other workloads i would throw at it like the thing is linpack is a bit weird on on amd systems just because it is meant for intel cpus um not for amd cpu so it doesn't really like it behaves a bit weird so i'm not sure that that would actually be a good stress test for this prime95 is definitely fine it's just that i don't like trusting just a single single stress test for for all my my uh stability testing and we lost worker 12 which is which oh there goes the whole thing okay so i could also bump up the voltage another well actually i can't the chip is almost at 95 degrees so it's like again if i had a better cooler i would actually be willing to bump it up another 10 millivolts but as it is uh nope like the the cooling is just not good enough in my opinion so considering that it was losing like core 12 or something um i think ccx0 at this point is not the issue so i'm going to bring that one back up to 43. it's a shame that i didn't like i know well i wasn't paying that much attention to prime95 crashing workers or anything the first couple crashes so we'll see like the thing about per ccx overclocking is it just means you have more stuff to test as in different combinations of settings so if you don't want to mess with that you can go all core and ultimately considering that at most there's going to be like a hundred megahertz gala well again i'm not sure but i'd assume there's probably not going to be much more than like 100 megahertz gap between the ccx's um and it's all really worth it spending a bunch of time maximizing each ccx unless you're on something like a 16 core where you have four of the damn things um because if you're on a on say a six core like this well having half your cores running 50 megahertz higher or 100 megahertz higher ultimately means that your average overall overclock it only increases by 50 megahertz right so if the if the gap between the cores is less than 25 like if the gap between the ccx's is like 50 megahertz then you may as well just go on the same clock for all the cores at the same time which i think like looking at how this is behaving right now that's i'm very strongly considering that option oops well now we're just hardcrushed again yeah so this so i'm like it crashed faster as far as i'm concerned so at this point and no 4325 i'll leave that i really wish i had a better cooler yeah because the thing is like the cpu does actually get less stable as you go over 90. so yeah basically at this point all you do is just like all i would be do well all i'm doing and all i would be doing if i was setting this up for my daily would be good you know set a combination of ccx ratios run prime95 for an hour if it doesn't make it for an hour then lower the ratios until it does pass an hour at least an hour of prime95 like there's some people who swear by testing for 24 hours which i think is kind of ridiculous um and but at the same time it's like you could just leave it on overnight right which again would just the the thing is though it's just like if it lasts an hour i consider that good enough if you maybe have which and the reason i'd consider that good enough is i don't normally have like workloads that have to run overnight so there's very like it's unrealistic for me to have like a bunch of unsaved work that takes several hours to produce right so i don't care if the system is ever so slightly unstable that yeah temperature wise this isn't doing great like i really wish it was a lot further away from 95 degrees than it is but it's it's all like it's right up against it so pulling almost 130 amps now actually no that's edc again why why does this sensor exist can i remove that i'm just going to remove that is there a way to remove it disable monitoring there we go much better yeah like this reading down here should be accurate wait 75 times 1.24 that doesn't seem to be that doesn't seem well it is only pulling 117 watts and yet well okay the cooler is just barely handling this yeah if you had something like uh like a hyper 212 clone not the hyper 212 itself because i think it's honestly kind of like it tends to go for around thirty dollars which i think is a little bit too much because you can find a bunch of basically identical four heat pipes one 120 millimeter fan tower coolers for slightly less than a hyper 212 so if you had one of the hyper 212 clones that is cheaper the temperatures would be better um so yeah and it just crashed again so again we're gonna lower the free like lower the ratios run prime 95 so at this point i feel like this is the end of the video because there's not really much to it at this point other than just lowering the the clock speeds and at this point i would what i would lower first is ccx one because that's the highest clocked one um so it's probably the one that's crashing or at least that's which one i'm guessing assuming is crashing if i had a bit more cooling i'd bump up the voltage a bit but um like for right now i'd bump up the voltage a bit because the thing is at stock it was running up to like 1.26 volts in prime 95 and right now we're at like 1.25 so you know it's just but at the same time i'm also running hotter than at stock like well not stock but with the pbo settings i'm running hotter than the pbo settings so now this is maxed out like you know it's approaching maxed out at this point so that's basically how i overclock any ryzen cpu right it's just like set up your pb like and the thing is just max out the pbo limits not completely just raise them up for a 3950x you're to see the highest power consumption in prime 95 with limits of like well the wall limit doesn't actually matter but the tdc and the edc if you set them too high it glitches out and you actually get less boost not more so for edc and tdc you'd normally have to set like 230 um with a 3950x i'm not sure if that's considered like i assume that should be consistent for 3 900 x's and any other cpus like that as well it's probably even it would probably even work for this 3600 but there's no reason to do that in my opinion just because it's never gonna pull more than 100 amps anyway um so yeah that's that's why i just set it to 160. or more than 100 and more than 100 is probably possible but more than 160 isn't like the chip is gonna die before you push that much current through it um but yeah so basically max out pbo limits leave the scalar on one x because the higher scalar settings just do weird stuff and ultimately they don't affect the prime95 voltage at least not in my past testing and then you know like for your sort of idle voltage what i go with is the cinebench load voltage right or something close to this in a bench load voltage and a lot of people might be like but why would you why would you set it like that's relatively low but the thing is is just like with cinebench you at least know that all the cores are running and doing something whereas if ryzen is left to its like fully stock ryzen completely shuts down certain cores which is why it can go all the way up to like 1.45 volts um on a single core or two cores and you know you get that really aggressive low thread account boost behavior and it's because the cpu is doing a bunch of power management stuff that isn't active when you start doing static overclocking and well most of that power management stuff probably doesn't do anything doing anything if you're running cinebench therefore cinebench load voltages are reasonable idle all core load voltages also like there in my opinion there's really no reason to be going above you know like this much voltage right now because i have plenty of v-droop right like i have plenty of v-droop and i don't need more um yeah so this is fine also i did want to check if that vrm current reading was accurate so let me just quickly run the math on that um 75 yeah no it was and i guess it was including soc power in that because it was package power that still doesn't make sense how it was getting up to 117 watts though because that's 94 for the cores and then you'd have to have like the soc would have to be almost 22 watts which is just like no i don't like yeah so i guess the like this there's like power readings on motherboards being accurate is an exception not the norm anyway um yeah so there that's it that's how i would overclock horizon 3600 so uh yeah thank you for watching like share subscribe leave any comments questions suggestions down in the comment section below if you'd like to support what i do here uh with uh actually hardcore overclocking i have a patreon there's a link to that down in the description below which speaking of the patreon thank you for the the 3600 and uh then there's also the hoc teespring store where you can pick up shirts stickers posters and you know the usual youtuber merch so yeah there's links to both down in the description below if if you'd like to support the channel then that's that's how you can do that and that's it for the video so thank you for watching and goodbye

Channel: Actually Hardcore Overclocking

Views: 150,816

Keywords: Overclocking, PCbuilding, Buildzoid, AHOC, Actually, Hardcore, Hardware, OC, MSI, X570, BIOS, Ryzen, 3600, AMD, AM4

Id: b9oV69bYQq4

Length: 59min 5sec (3545 seconds)

Published: Thu Aug 13 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/xXMadSupraXx]

Welp, I have the X570 Tomahawk and I've been trying to motivate myself to overclock but I guess this video gives me no excuse.

[u/SignificantWarning5]

I have a man MSI B450, why does my bios look different? It's black and white and not as neat. I'm updated to the latest BIOS. Any ideas?

[u/Dooth]

Would wattage increase with temperature? Does AMD decrease frequency because temps are high, power/current/resistance goes up and a limiter is hit? Is there any way to increase the temperature limit besides lowering voltage?

[u/abacabbmk]

so what was he able to achieve and how much gaming impact did it have?

[u/FONKNEX]

How different would this be using a 2600x

[u/cynath]

I have this board as well as a Ryzen 3600. I ended up getting 4.3Ghz@1.268v with 3200c14 clocked at 3800c16 and 1900mhz IF. Voltage seems too low but it doesn't crash 🤷‍♂️

[u/dianamaybrook6]

Is it normal for the 3600 to hit a maximum of 4.2 ghz on all cores at stock + XMP? Mine only does on 2 cores with the b450 tomahawk max.

[u/llcheezburgerll]

Im a noob on OC, can anyone explain to me if its worth it to OC? How much It will bump the performance?

[u/LegacyWrldOnReddit]

That bios is disgusting