LIVE: Test Stream, Please Ignore (Disassembling Overpriced GPUs)

okay i think we should be live let me know if you can hear everything okay and if you can see it uh and hopefully we can get the show on the road we're gonna be disassembling some video cards today we did a lot of streams previously it's been a little while most of that was because the streaming setup was just sort of in various states of dysfunction so i think we fixed it this stream is intended to test that that's why the stream is called test stream please ignore if you did not ignore it that's not my fault that's all i'm saying we made it very clear that it's a test stream and you should please ignore it but maybe we'll have some fun here if it's all working okay so uh i'm seeing a lot of comments saying sounds good sweet okay cool so great that's that's good to see that the um the the components that should do streaming are in fact doing streaming if you've done streaming maybe you wouldn't be surprised if you haven't maybe you would but uh a lot of the streaming hardware and software it's still still kind of wild west in some ways so anyway looks like it's going so sweet uh i see a lot of comments that are saying back to you steve so i'm glad i'm glad you know if intel like went out of business tomorrow if everyone only remembers one thing i i hope it's i hope it's that keynote they did uh yes let's see just checking on chat where's the nitrous tank there's no nitrous tank there's liquid nitrogen back there that might be what you're asking about that's a fairly fresh tank so we're going to be hopefully rolling this stream if it all works okay i'm planning to be live for maybe we'll see 90 minutes two hours something like that i just as i was saying 90 minutes and two hours i i thought why am i using both metric and imperial units uh but that's not how time works so thanks thanks to commenters for making me second guess the numbers i say now so uh yeah we're gonna be um we'll be hopefully doing some nitrogen liquid nitrogen streaming for i think the apu's that's what i'd like to do today we're gonna disassemble things and see how they look these are the 6600 xt's i did not think they were particularly interesting for um for a standalone upload but i thought they'd be fun for a live stream where we can interact with everyone so all right cool looks like everyone's saying looks good let me just send out a tweet and say we're live and then we'll kind of get started here we are live okay that was pretty easy uh all right so i will be reading the super chat i just saw one come through the the stuniverse set five dollars thank you says testing super chat can you feel my money yes yes it we we can it is working uh i'm going to read these on probably about a 30 minute delay we'll we'll get some of the earlier ones in a bit sooner but normally we're on a little bit of delay with super chats just so i can kind of do stuff and then do a bunch of them at once and answer questions if any come through okay so i think that's about it for kind of setting the stage and explaining what we're doing this stream we are running the be quiet silent base 802 as the sponsor this case actually reviewed really well for us so uh we liked it because we have the airflow panel on there yes we tested it mostly with the airflow panel actually works really well it was a big change for be quiet to push more towards the airflow direction that the 500dx which we also liked and uh so the 802 is a larger mid tower case atx case and good airflow performed well on our testing and it was one of the ones that we said we can actually recommend it and if you watch our channel then you know that means a lot coming from us so anyway that's the sponsor there's a link in the description below if you want to check it out okay uh some comments about the power supply video nice yes we do actually have another one coming up but i won't go into that too much right now maybe later so here's the first card we're going to look at this is a power color fighter it's called and i'm i'll walk through these cards a little bit i'll look at chat after that and uh we'll go through what people are saying so these are the two i got we don't have any other 6600 xt's right now uh i am curious that actually i'll watch chat for this did anybody happen to buy a 6600 xt the last few days i'm just curious if you bought one just type in chat which one you bought let me know um actually i'd be curious the price too if you just type in like what it was and how much and i'll keep an eye on it and that'll give me a better idea for what the market was actually like after the reviews because they let us put the reviews up a day in advance of launch so i didn't um i didn't really look too closely at launch day what is a good start to oca 3070 question from wow wow is evil we're going to go with 49.99 thank you very much for that so i'm going to try and give you a little bit of depth on this a good start to overclock any video card is going well you need software first so if it's nvidia which yours is you can use something like precision uh or afterburner there's other tools too i typically use precision only because i have the most experience with it but they all do about the same thing so if you like one more than the other just go for it they pretty much work the same way they're built on an nvidia api and amd i just use the amd built in tool so to answer your question uh wowzable or wow wow is ival uh however it is for what's a good way to start an oc on like a an nvidia card the way i like to do it i pick one application that is very easy to repeat and i just keep running that it's really important this is the part you need to remember if you don't remember anything else i say remember this part when you are overclocking a video card you have to validate the increases you do in frequency with some kind of score so maybe that's 3d mark i think 3dmark has some some free version available with some tests that you can run uh maybe it's super position which also i think has a free version or maybe it's just a video game that has a repeatable benchmark where you click benchmark and it goes so you need an application that produces a score every time that's pretty consistent and the reason you need that is because there's error correction that goes on in the background when you're overclocking something so not actually not even just when you're overclocking just period there's error correction in the background for like memory and so it's easy to set an overclock number that's way too high and it looks like it's running because it hasn't hard crashed or shut down but actually it is going to score much lower so you might end up with a worse score with your overclock than with stock so that's what you need to watch out for that's the part to remember as for how to do the oc i like to run the application fully stock i write down the number i then increase the power slider i run it again fully stock with the power slider offset right down that number should be higher then i start increasing the clock and i typically do about i do like 50 megahertz offsets most of the time so 50 100 150 you'll probably get stuck around 150 to 200 offset most nvidia cards so that would be my my answer to that question hopefully that helps um okay let's start looking at these so on memory i typically start at like 400 then go up by 100 at a time okay uh so we've got the fighter this is the one we we used for the review because it's msrp and that's 380 way too expensive in our opinion for what you're getting gets embarrassed by the 30 60 ti which is 20 more especially in ray chasing performance and the 30 60 is pretty close competitor while being much cheaper so that was kind of our review of it the um and by the way the 30 60 and ti we were not particularly happy about either but the 6600 actually kind of makes them look good so maybe that was the strategy i don't know maybe they're maybe they're collaborating the this card i haven't looked at too much so is this a red devil these are both power color this is red devil amd sent these before the review when we were working on them i'm just going to look at the marketing really quickly let's take a look at this so and i'll get to some of the other super chats uh and and the chats in a little bit but you know hopefully that um hopefully that overclocking answer was a little bit helpful okay let's get a a bit of a zoom on this i want to see if i can just read it off of obs instead of the box make it easier so what's their marketing they talk about having a metal backplate that sadly i guess is a marketing point these days we've seen a lot of plastic ones those are insulators uh offers a better heat dissipation okay they say dual bios that's an actually valid feature so that's good i do like dual bios it's probably a bit expensive on this card for the performance you get any partner model where it's considered like a generally good card you get into territory where you're paying close to the next step up so buy something like this maybe you're in territory of a low end 30 60 ti is it still worth it often no but it depends depends on what you're trying to do dual fans yeah okay not that exciting rgb i've never heard of that before uh was rgb do you know what that is andrew i'm not sure is that like what could that stand for rotational um gravity belt that sounds right that's pretty cool wow i feel bad for talking bad about it now it has a rotational gravity belt rgb man i want to see how that impacts the cooling i bet it's really good uh so rgb uh here's a here's a marketing feature how about this one let's check out that marketing feature cooler that's right it has a heatsink uh you were you you thought that only all of the cards got coolers but in fact it's a marketing feature on this expensive one cooler okay all right that's where we are with marketing now oh wait we've got some answers on what rgb stands for from our chat uh let's see any real gaming bro that's pretty good i like that uh let's see uh rgb powers the fans at this point not far from it real good benchmark retro gaming behemoth that's sad if that's what they'd be marching towards uh any other good ones someone says it's rainbow puke but but is it though is it that i think it is at this point i think that's what it is you're actually right okay all right those are fun uh let's get a let's get started on this this one's really simple we looked at in the video um but let's go ahead and just take it apart so we're gonna be working on the mod map this is the last day we're running the promo code send help on the store we started that because the gigabyte power supply testing we did so the gigabyte testing was it took us a few months of off and on testing to do a lot of research because it's kind of new to us still the power supplies and we ran that promo code in that video and it expires today it's 10 off the store if you do any orders on the store and uh it just it sort of helped us to offset some of the cost for the more in-depth pieces so really appreciate that for everyone who's ordered so far it's been really popular people like the code someone pointed out that i should do a code called thanks steve and we'll probably do that next we'll maybe wait for an intel video to run that one but um yeah so code send help on the store for 10 off and that helps us offset the cost for doing that gigabyte piece and some upcoming power supply pieces as well but uh thank you to everyone who's ordered i'll try and shout out a couple of orders during the stream but no guarantees so let's get started on this we're gonna work on the modmat like i said you can backorder these they come back in stock in september they've been out for like five months now so it will be a kind of big deal when they come back and if you want one you'll want to get on the list looks very simple i mean we've got the four screws that actually retain the cooler so these are typically these are spring tensioned i've never actually seen this happen on a video card i have seen it happen on cpu coolers where a pre-built manufacturer will like over torque the cpu cooler past the screen resistance and the spring will buckle over itself and that's never good to see we're going to get another light in here too so you'll get some more light in a second so these though they're fine so it's four screws for that two over here those two secure the let's see i'm trying to see it looks like they just secure part of the vrm heatsink so these two screws hold the heatsink to the mosfets and we're bringing in the light now that looks better nice very simple video card two slot uh plastic shroud so uh the heatsink so the fins this is maybe some information you could potentially use if you're maybe not buying this card but you're buying a card at some point i think a lot of people know this though so the fins run left to right the fin direction it does matter i wouldn't get too hung up on it if you're ordering something uh but there are situations where you should pay closer attention if your case is really specific you've got a specific airflow pattern something like that so if you're working with let's say a mini itx case and you want to get at least some of the air out of the back and you're not going with a blower for one of many reasons then having this left to right fin pattern can help for that situation as long as the backside actually allows an exit so here you can see the fins butted right against the i o plate and the i o plate has a lot of holes in it so in this situation there will be a good amount of the air maybe not a quarter of it or so coming out this side so that's something you can look for when you're buying a card other cards will do top to bottom this one is one of those this is the red devil variant just to top to bottom left to right that doesn't necessarily really mean anything like i said it depends on everything else so in this situation they have top to bottom obviously air coming out of here is going to hit the pcie slot if this is basic for a lot of you sorry we'll get into the tear down in a moment but uh streams are fun to kind of give some more some more entry-level information as well so that'll go into the pcie slot and the motherboard not the end of the world it will work its way out eventually it's just going to have a little bit more resistance and an obstruction when it exits but the thing you're looking out for with top to bottom heat sinks is that the shroud doesn't extend past the actual fin stack you'd be maybe not if you watch this channel i could say you'd be shocked but maybe not you'd be shocked how many manufacturers will run a shroud down past the fins and contain all of their own air bag with xfx with their first thick yes that was the actual name video card we opened up the bottom of the shroud i don't know if we cut it or just disassembled it but uh and it had a meaningful impact on the air flow on the temperatures because the air could get out of the card then so that's what you're looking for if you buy top to bottom and you want just a quick gauge of is this thing designed competently you can look for that attention to detail do they block the fins and you can see that this is completely obstructed over here it's all rgb everything however the fins aren't left to right so this doesn't concern me as much as if the fins were left to right where then you're looking at it as a reviewer i would see this the next thing i do is i check the fin orientation and if the fin orientation is in opposition with this then i start thinking about what tests i can run to see if they've ruined the performance or if it didn't matter maybe so that's kind of some basics for you i guess in chat go ahead and let us know if you want to see if you want to hear me go through more stuff like that in this video i don't know how much of this is repeat information i'll check chat and how much of it you might already know sometimes i it's depends on the the audience reach stream how much you know how how much people have seen our other videos where we might have explained that stuff so you keep an eye on chat there are other things of course too but you know hopefully that that's some basics let me pull up the uh super chats and stuff hmm youtube's interface is only showing one super chat right now that's annoying is there another way to see this let me this is why it's a test stream let me see if they've changed their interface a little bit since i lasted this uh so what are people saying sure good stuff okay cool it looks like people overall like that info any response from gigabyte not yet i think they're busy right now with their servers getting hacked i think they they had a bad week it was very uh very bad timing for them okay some people saying repeat but it's cool and other people saying they like it all right let me um let me figure out the super chat thing really quickly i think i just need to open another window and just see usually it'll hold all of them but right now it's only showing me the latest one that's obnoxious okay well let me go back then hopefully i'm gonna have to start addressing these maybe keegan it might be worth saving some of the super chats as they come in just in case youtube clears them if i can't find how to open it up uh but i still have some on the screen so maybe there's like a page where they actually save them i don't know why they would do this okay let me go through a few of these before they disappear and if i missed one sorry we're gonna try and figure out how to open up previous super chats but it looks like most of them are still here i might have missed a couple of the early ones uh youtube's scrolling them off when they didn't used to okay uh mst3k said thanks steve no problem back to you ms t3k uh let's see mclovin sent twenty dollars in and said steven gn team you guys are amazing well thank you i appreciate uh appreciate from my heart you keep uh oh i appreciate you folks helping keep enthusiasm for pc building alive we're trying despite despite nvidia and andy's best efforts with gpu prices we're trying uh blendinator with a blender icon blender avatar nice andrew's paying attention andrew said nice uh blending i'm pretty sure we've seen here before there have definitely been people with blender names i think that i think this is the person i'm thinking of says sup steve how goes the new building construction uh slow but steady it is actually making progress now we i feel like i feel like all the decision points that were mostly stuck on like bottlenecked on me have been resolved so all the various people involved in doing the work can work relatively unobstructed now uh and that's a good thing okay it burns when internet protocol is back that's right it burns when i p address uh is back some five dollars said their servers blew up like their power supplies question mark or it just got hacked i think it got hacked um so saint devil and chat says there's a gigabyte statement on video cards like the website i think so i like i think i saw that i don't if that was just on the hack though that's not what i meant i meant the um responding to our power supply piece they respond to video cards that'd be weird because then that meant they ignored our email but uh tnb delta i'm gonna get i'm gonna get through as many of these as i can we'll go back to this says ek launched a new active backplate for gpus will gamers access coverage i'm not sure yet i do want to i don't know if the so the problem right now with gpu anything is uh people are i think maybe you aren't specifically but i can see it in the numbers or maybe fatigued or upset with the gpu market so getting views on accessory gpu content with like backplates is kind of difficult and there's a cost involved to doing that type of testing so we have to navigate that obviously let's see i miss any here oh yeah a couple let's get those uh leonard said wouldn't blocking the front of the card in a left right orientation basically turn such a card into a glorified blower style cooler it can it depends if there's anywhere else for that air to get out you lose some of the um some of the pressure if it's not intentional because with the blower style cooler they'll actually do a hook like that over where the fan is and the point of the hook is the fan sits in the middle of it the squirrel cage fan and it spins the air into the hook and then all of it gets forced out the back of the case whereas if it's sort of accidental you might not have as much pressure and so it can compensate maybe the the fin stack plus heat pipe construction ends up being better overall it doesn't matter but um you would lose out on the pressure whether or not that matter is different though uh see joshua skips said i'm upgrading my midsize static mod pat modmap pre-order uh personalized signature question mark back to you steve right now we don't have a way to personalize them we do have the signature option which sounds like you might have already gotten uh unfortunately we don't have a way to do like personalizations because the distribution is separate from me it's different place and so i'll go over sign a bunch of the mouse mats or pads or whatever we're signing and because the sort of shipping team and the order processing guy and me were all separate we don't have really good way to do customization uh josh jlmg says i was wondering if you had any experience with the cbu benchmark beam ng drive i've heard of it um it seems to be based on internal cp latency but i don't have enough cpu to test it i've no experience with it but i have heard of the game i think it's a game right uh kutsu jarville says just drop in and say hi hi thank you and this the last one i read for right now um actually keegan's got one up or a couple up over there too uh says hannie g hani g gui says gigabyte sent out a pro did they sent out a pr response regarding exploiting psus they say it happens because they were tested close to 120 and 150 percent and what they're doing is lowering the opp point range and wattages i thought they would do something like that um i'll read the statement and we'll probably respond to it uh if they're actually lowering the opp point the overpower protection point that would be good because they're insane right now like as we showed in our video they didn't even hit their opp point the opp was i don't remember the exact numbers but i think one of them was like 10 25 or 10 50 watts or something anyway it wasn't tripping till far after that so it's like you know guys you didn't even do the opp right to complain about testing at opp but and once again one of them did blow up at uh at 60 so i don't know sounds like a problem um okay so keegan have you been able to grab most of the ones coming in okay cool if you can just i guess keep them somewhere uh in case they disappear and then i'll go back through them yeah they are disappearing yeah i've got the the back end interface though for youtube is supposed to keep them it looks like it is now so that's good i think we just lost maybe like three at the very beginning yeah uh but it does look like it's actually keeping them now okay all right cool okay guys we're gonna get back to disassembly i was just trying to make sure we didn't just it's a test stream right so try to make sure i still understand the youtube interface after like eight months of not streaming okay uh let's let's get back to this you're done with opp all right the comments about the gigabyte power supplies are great i thought they would try to maybe twist things i hope they fixed though i need to read that statement if they're actually reducing obp i'd be pretty happy with that but they still need to fix the rest of it whatever's wrong with it because there's something also the video card that exploded yeah that's why that was kind of fun that's why we used gigabyte devices for that whole build because it's like um i knew if something blew up it'd be hard to kind of pinpoint necessarily if it was a power supply or not if there's some other component problem and so we used all gigabyte parts and um then it's still a gigabyte problem and so we need to diagnose the gpu fun fact uh that's a blood stain from when a cooler cut me it does not come stock on the mod mats so don't expect one of those let's take apart this fighter card this is the msrp one and we're just gonna alternate i think everybody here knows this but generally actually i want to read that generally you kind of pick a corner it doesn't matter which one at all pick a corner unscrew it maybe a quarter halfway next one next one next one simple stuff i think everybody knows that but if not hopefully it helps you what does that say uh warranty void if removed do you remember when the um the ftc said to notify them if companies were violating the magnuson moss warranty act about a month ago just wondering just asking for myself and 2568 of my best friends okay let's track these over here pretty simple card really which is expected for msrp that's really that's not bad to be simple the thermals so the delta edge to junction was a little bit wide if you recall on this one we can actually leave these in i'll show you why um so since the edge to junction temperature was a little wide i do want to see how the mount looks and how the cold plate looks okay very simple let's disconnect the cable okay generally for pulling these out i like to try and get like a if i can a fingernail under the edge of it otherwise you use like a flat head or something but um i'm gonna you know i'm just gonna go over some of the basic stuff as i do this in case people are watching haven't learned it before because we cut a lot of the stuff out of our tear down uploads since they need to be shorter so you want to be careful with these we've seen people now i've done it too a long time ago uh rip the not this but the receptacle we'll call the actual header uh out of the pcb you can solder it back in it's not the end of the world but it's not particularly fun and if you've not had to reinstall one before it's not great either so easy way to not do that is to pull at the connector not at the wires it can be really tempting to pull out the wires when they have a short cable run like this because when you take it off you're going to want to just pull up which i definitely have done i don't recommend it but if you are going to just pull like again not recommending that do make sure it's up and out and not to the side um where you're gonna kind of put some force on it that it really wasn't meant to take so this is in fact a smaller die that's expected it's navi 23 rd9 it's an rdna23 die as opposed to 21. and i'm going to look at the oh interesting it's actually direct contact that explains a lot so we've instantly i think diagnosed our edge to junction delta uh let me explain that too junction and edge temperature pretty simple so these are more or less edge is is fairly literal in most instances so uh junction and edge junction on amd all it means when you see those two temperatures junction's the hot spot it is the hottest spot that a sensor is measuring these pieces of silicon have sometimes hundreds of thermal sensors in them and then they expose two to you which is fine they need a lot of them to determine the clock domains and how it's boosting so they'll expose two to you if you're lucky sometimes you only get one and junction is the hottest spot edge is what i call it anyway that's what they used to call it edge is sort of an average gpu temperature overall it's going to be a lower number but junction on amd is how amd will determine when it's going to start throttling back so if you've got like 110 for example it's going to throttle hard and like radion 7 as an example when it hit 110 it would throttle really hard when it hit i think it was 118 or 117 it would just shut down so there's protections built on junction mostly more than edge and so when we talk about a junction to edge delta what we're talking about is the difference between the hottest spot the t-junction in gpuz or whatever and the coolest spot that is made available to us which is edge or the average and the reason there's such a wide gap here was about 16 degrees in testing if i remember our review properly is it looks like just because of how the gpu contacts the cooler so it's pretty simple which is cool you can see that this is direct contact meaning they are not bringing it down to a single copper plate which is contiguous and mostly flat instead you've got flattened heat pipes uh a should be level aluminum heat sink contacting the rest of it and then you've got this part of the gpu die right here that is touching aluminum and you've got the center touching a heat pipe this is mostly touching the heat pipe so you want as much heat pipe contact as possible in this kind of design having the edge stick out a little bit it's not the end of the world they they were within spec they're fine we just wanted to see a little bit better um at this price you deserve better than what you're getting with this that's i mean the price is kind of is ridiculous for what this is like a joke for 380 this is actually kind of offensive um the fin stacks very very small this cooler is easily under 20 cost uh easily easily under that mark so anyway um so that's edge uh that's going to be probably the the uh maybe not necessarily higher of the numbers because at the edge i shouldn't yeah i shouldn't have called it edge but this is probably going to be the uh the place we're seeing that delta appear between junction and edge phrase it that way and it might not be the highest despite having technically a worse interface it's in contact with a piece of aluminum rather than a heat pipe with water in it a little bit of water but it's not in the center of the dye depending on what silicon what components are in that part of the silicon it may not be doing as much work whatever and heat pipes i think also pretty common knowledge but these have about like almost literally one drop of liquid in them and uh they've got an evaporator a condenser um and so on one side you're evaporating that's gonna be here it flows through most likely centered powder if we were to cut this open that's probably what would be in there flows through centered powder it's gonna start cooling down and get to the end here hits the condenser condenses comes back via capillary action this is all i think i'll stop there with the heat pipe explanation because that's pretty basic stuff but if you are not familiar with it that's totally fine we have a video on the channel you should search for called uh heat pipe factory tour look that up or maybe keegan can link it in the chat or something but if you're interested you can learn more there let's look at the next stuff so i am going to clean off the card the gpu just so we can see it better i'm gonna check chat and super chats let me see if this is saving all the messages now okay so keegan it is uh it is saving all the messages now so you can probably stop screenshotting them if you want just some hiccup at the beginning this is part of our test stream please ignore setup we it used to be basically just andrew on the camera and me here and then if we had someone helping moderate uh keegan might be remote moderating or ryan or one of our community moderators like sam who i think i saw in there earlier but now we've got keegan more of a producer set up to just kind of help us keep things going smoothly if we need information or if there's something like i'm worried about super chat's not saving it's great to be able to know that those are saving so we're just going to clean this off the rest of the way in chat if you all could just do me a favor the level of information so far how are you feeling about it i can do more like as in i can do more basic stuff and walk it up i can do less let me know how you feel about it for example the heat pipe stuff is that something everybody basically knows or you want me to keep talking about that kind of stuff and then i'll just sort of adjust i guess the content based on that i'll check chat that's about a 10 second delay i think so okay so that's cleaned off these dies uh don't say anything on them there's nothing wrong with that but nvidia prints text on theirs it's actually really annoying for some overclockers who are really good like like joe or vince but for most people it doesn't matter the reason it's annoying for them is because there's a bit of a height delta okay someone said just don't stop talking so i did just stop talking for a few seconds i apologize i've made a huge mistake by stopping talking for a few seconds or you just caught on the power supply or something okay i read these uh okay it looks like people are pretty happy with this oh all right cool the irish boxes that i didn't know anything about a heat pipe until just now awesome glad to hear that because i actually like talking about how the cooling systems work i think that's probably my strongest point of knowledge so that's always fun cool okay please talk about the cost to manufacture i can do a little bit of that um let's throw that yeah we need to talk about the thermal pads too okay cool uh all right let me get i'll do some more on the cooler for a little bit and on the uh the thermal pads we'll talk about too let me just check on one thing really quick okay looks good all right cool okay so uh let's do a let's do some discussion about we'll go back to the heat pipes for a second just because we were there was some interest in that so i already explained evaporators and condensers uh it's very simple and these are technically they do have water in them like i said it's it's about one drop so what they do is before they weld it back closed at one end um the other end stays closed and then they have one that's open they take a very long narrow syringe they insert about one drop of liquid into it and then it gets zapped and it welds it back shut and that's all there is to it for um for the rest of this so when you do direct contact like this it can be good it can be bad it depends on their tolerance the challenges that a manufacturer runs into here is if i'm feeling actually for the smoothness of the surface like the corsair a500 when it first launched at least you can end up with a problem where the um sort of height difference between one material and the next is more pronounced than it should be so you don't have a good contact patch to the ihs or the gpu or whatever it is so that's the challenge they run to here this is feels by hand pretty smooth there are tools that we have to test this you can use lasers you can use needles and they measure depth normally in microns when known zero point so i do depth sensing and you can tell where the gaps are obviously i think this is pretty clear but the biggest gaps are going to be where the heat pipes meet and that's you can't can't can't win them all when you do it this way so that's fine but that's where thermal paste comes in that's where thermal paste has the most important job let's see i just happened to look at chat and i see linus tech tips saying back to you steve linus can you get intel to put someone named linus on stage or just just like have them rename someone uh so that they can say back to you linus and then we can create an infinite loop with back to you stephen back to you linus hosted by intel it's like they've become the youtubers i think it's a cool idea i don't know linus you have you have a lot of pull in the industry i personally i think if you went to intel and you said i need you to rename one of your employees to linus uh or else we're gonna stop doing upgrades for our employees with intel systems i think you could make them do it just saying something to think about or maybe they could have linus torvalds on that would work too i don't know if you would want to do that maybe if we told them it's for a good cause of getting them to say back to you linus and thanks linus then that would be worth it okay good to see linus in chat did he say anything else that i missed let's see let's just scroll up uh yes he did he said hey guys it's steve from gamersnexus are they live or something is it rancho time all right uh oh he is still here oh okay he said or just bribe torvalds yes that that you could probably maybe like a gold you know the gold xbox controller like how can you make that a linux thing a gold penguin let's do it do like a gold tux the penguin send it over to him you make a video on it everything everybody wins i think it's great uh let's see were there any other there was one someone asked about container prices uh steve do you know if the shipping container prices increased and that is also affecting the gpu prices that's a fact in everything pricing um so yeah for sure container prices have gone up we've experienced that too and the thing with containers and ships is there's kind of a limited amount of them in a limited amount of space and uh with the amount of products shipping globally of any type right now i see a message from lions let me freeze frame that um there's so much demand for them the price is higher so just speaking of personal experience you know we've seen anywhere from 2x to 4x pricing for sort of our volume i have definitely heard manufacturers talk about even higher increases in pricing proportionally to what they used to pay for shipping so case manufacturers are struggling in this industry about the most right now because they have a large object dimensionally it can be heavy maybe not but your dim weight's really high and you're shipping a bunch of you're shipping a bunch of boxes that contain boxes that are meant to contain parts so when you ship a box of the box you start to lose some efficiency especially if it's inside of another box on top of a boot so um yes that is effect definitely affecting the pricing this is why along with tariffs and other things that are going on right now uh is part of why you see a lot fewer 60 cases this year linus the message he sent was about torvalds when i said that they should make a gold tux the penguin for him lina said i don't think he's the gold type we can make something work um oh yeah linus i actually pointed out in chat too also a big marine worker shortage that is uh definitely the case as well just a shortage of um of labor i guess you say or workforce uh maybe do something else if he's not not the gold type i don't know what about like anyone anyone remember when linus torvald's not tech tips that is his last name uh talked about uh nvidia and said said something to nvidia uh what if linus what if you made the other linus a large linus middle finger with the word nvidia on it or something uh maybe that would work make that out of gold you might like that one okay let's get back to this i'll do some super chats in a moment um and uh let's see so we're talking thermal pads probably worth talking about now so this is just for me taking it apart that's fine uh by the way we we have replacements if we ever need to replace them for stuff like this so the thermal pad height's actually different which i'm curious about oh it is actually intentional okay so they've thought that through that's more than i would expect sometimes throttle pad height is different because some of these are contacting over here and this is i don't know maybe half a millimeter lower than the plate you could measure it if it mattered but it doesn't so these are going to be the thinner ones the contacts okay they're missing the outer edges it does affect the temperature we've tested that not a whole lot on this type of memory but if you're on like g6x or something like that you really want full contact and anyway that could be a little better but it's not terrible so that doesn't offend me as much as just the cooler itself the heat pipes and the heat sink um so thermal pad contacts okay let's see what else can we talk about on the board oh right we haven't taken this off yet that's going to be the heat sink for the memor for the vrm i'll check chat in a second again i guess keegan if linus there's anything else out there that i should read go ahead and just put it on notepad or something okay so pretty simple stuff this is very standard uh it's an aluminum heat spreader it's just got some fins and it's on top of the mosfets very basic no direct contact to the inductors capacitors you almost never have direct contact too so that's fine inductors can take a lot of heat this is literally just a coil of copper inside of a shell so they can take a lot more heat than some of the other stuff the mosfets do need passive cooling at least in this case it's basically active because the air is coming down in theory if they haven't stuffed it up uh yes okay so they're gonna get a little bit of airflow down from the fan right above it and i mean it's you know not the best solution because it's not contacting the greater heatsink but it's a cheap way to do it that was their goal so whatever that's worth they've accomplished it uh international rectifier 35 to 17 for the controller over here and there's no dual bios however and this is just kind of interesting uh if you don't know it you can normally see when a board is purposed uh is is prepared for other components so in this case it could take a dual v bios switch which actually i think probably most people know what this looks like but it just looks like this right here so it could fit one of those in fact you could see uh it's actually not the same pcb this one's taller but you can see it's the same type of cutout and that's where that would go if they want to do one they've got a spot they didn't solder it on keeping costs lower we've got another header over here that could potentially be used for rgb or something fan header or something like that sometimes you see debug pads left over on cards but uh that's gonna be about it for the assembly here it's very basic card there's not a lot going on the cooler is pretty simple let's take the let's take one fan out is one of these going to be easier not really let's take one fan out and just get the skew the model in case any of you end up needing to replace it in the future help oh it's it's pulling all the heat out of my body i'm gonna die it's sinking it's sinking all the heat away that's how it works just if you don't know okay let's get that fan off these are always hit and miss yeah there's a i should go get it there's a really cool fan assembly i like a lot manufacturers don't use it too much because of cost i'm assuming there might be another problem that i don't know about but cost is one of them and it's a pin to pad set up we'll show you one of those in a second um so there's the fan it's made by first d and the see 12 volts 0.35 amps model numbers right there on the screen if you end up needing one we'll get a shot of that and uh if it dies then you'll know the replacement model to buy from ebay or whatever it's from march actually this year they only mark the dates not super interesting but i like to check it just to see how backed up manufacturing is um let me make a request really quick patrick can you can you find me i think it's an rx 580 xfx like ghost or something and it has a a fan that's pinned to pad that you can just pull out it's got like like um semi-transparent fan blades okay so patrick's gonna grab the fan style that i like and we'll show you what that looks like okay let me do some super chats here uh damian yoss and chat said this whole card looks cheap yep sure is not for you but it is for somebody that is definitely correct let me look through the super chats oh linus said um linus said something let me just get the context on the screen so it makes sense linus said the only d you'll ever need first d come here to get your d's it's like they're prepared for youtube comments they're first uh all right let's see oh i had a two moons sent 500 yen said coupon code 3080 tai when perhaps in the future that's not a bad one either thank you that's what i was looking for thank you so this we'll talk about in a moment that's 580. let me do a couple more super chat so we get there someone says initial d drifting fan yeah i mean if they named it it's it is synonymous i guess initial first they're most the way there it's maybe like just outside of litigation territory but still conveys the meaning uh peter said two dollars is there a gpu bios uefi and should i update it uh so there is if you're asking in general there there is a gpu bios every card has it it's typically called v bios as in video bios and generally our advice would be not to update it unless you have a specific reason you want to so for example if you have a higher end card there's a good chance that out on a forum somewhere someone has found av bios that has by which i mean created internally and leaked without nvidia's permission found a v bios that has a higher power target with amd you can use more power tool you can get it from igor's lab you don't need to go that route but makes a little easier so maybe you want to update your bios to support a higher power target so you do more overclocking you get into territory where you it might be too much power for what the cooler was designed for but if you're hooking it up to water or something it doesn't matter you do still have to be careful though about the amount of power you push through the board so maybe that's the reason you update it uh the 5600 xt's those launched with a lower clock and later brought it up and that would be another reason to update view bios so hopefully that answers that question generally no if you don't have a specific reason let me get through a couple more of these as much people talking about initial d now it drifts away from good pricing uh yeah that's also fair i like it when people i like when people do my job for me in chat okay you need to update it for bir yeah that's a good point too uh okay so did i miss any of these super chats got those okay dusk pierce said hey steve you all did a good job on the psu piece i watched it all thank you says question do you think the steam deck will actually help linux gaming long term that is a great question i'm a little skeptical the only reason i'm skeptical i think it's possible first of all the only reason i'm hesitant to say yes is because valve has sort of done this before the steam deck is genuinely very interesting they know there's a market because they saw nintendo do very well with it so sure definitely possible but valve did try to do the steam boxes a long time ago and they didn't i think is the technical term they did not do that so i don't know those we said back then that it had a lot of potential to make linux more mainstream and it did but it would in fact have to ship the steam deck is going to ship at this point it's a real thing and they are making it so it will increase market share depending on how it's calculated because it's on more devices does it increase it enough to move the linux numbers i don't know but the steam hardware survey did show that linux as an os has increased in market share month over month even though the steam deck's not out yet so it's still moving in the right direction if that is in fact the the direction you think is right linus tech tips says steamy d linus you're you're getting a little frisky i can tell nick light isn't uh isn't there to manage you right now linus is is flying off the handle with crazy things like steamy d uh hopefully that answers the steam deck i think it has potential yes i'm just a little hesitant to commit to that because windows has such a stranglehold on everything and valve is a big company but i don't know there's a lot of ways they can mess it up so we'll see a lot of ways they do it well too derek myers a long time patreon supporter uh this is funny i if linus is still in chat then he's gonna feel vindicated for his uh his roast comments he made uh derek said longtime supporter i'll be honest and say i use your videos to go to sleep which is fine i'm fine with that as long as it's running whatever and and now linus and james will will will be vindicated in their comments they made several years ago uh trenton robinson says evga with a big sku 600 bq 80 plus bronze 600 watt semi-modular ftp fan three-year is this just an ad through your warranty power supply oh there's a question vertical bar grab should i be worried about the quality of this psu um i don't know we haven't tested it explicitly yet that one should definitely have reviews out there check out let me give you something i'll give you an answer you can work with and everyone can work with uh check out aris and uh he runs reviews on hardware busters he's been doing power supplies a long time his youtube presence is pretty new but he knows what he's doing maybe this one's been reviewed on johnny guru um i think their site's down still but if you can find an archive on google cast or something check that out we'll work our way through the power supplies probably do a roundup of low end stuff sometime in the future uh okay we'll do like four or five more of these and then we'll get back to disassembly thomas rostad says just wanted to say oh i got yours earlier hi uh rf merrell said so our power supply is coming pre-damaged from the testing is this referring oh this must be referring to gigabyte oh i see what you mean like because they test them off the line that's possible yeah that's actually very interesting that's an interesting point i think patrick stone might have talked about that um when we were writing the piece but they could i don't know that they are they so i don't know what gigabyte does but i know hec which is a supplier factory that at this point i can say we toured um and uh i know that they test 100 of the power supplies that come off the line and that includes a variety of testing such as the uh well ovp uh i'm being told that people like the gold cat yes there's there's a gold cat back there that was uh that was a gift to uh to us from our chinese teacher andrew and i take class with uh so yeah i think it's possibly come pre-damaged but it's also possible the design is just bad okay next one i can't read your name sorry it's in characters i can't read um says i was trying to ignore this stream with jstream but it's over now and now i can't well it says test stream please ignore so uh you know it's you can't win them all it's at least at least you're here and not on a j stream i'm just kidding i like jay cole gotcha says pretty sure the real use of the exploding power supplies is to throw my canned grenades yeah i felt uncomfortable standing next to them when they were on the bench uh ruffusa 2568 of steve's best friends me question mark yes marty stein said i have a gigabyte 3090 egpu external i'm pretty sure the psu died uh power went down then up now no power still got to see if the card works yeah that's that would be unfortunate um so i would test with a different power supply if you think it died like don't keep pushing it see if it'll come back on just in case it sends some power back the way it shouldn't and um test with something that's probably no one good if you can get it maybe take it to a technician if you don't have access to one and ask them hey can you just hook up a power supply from the shop that you know is good but yeah that's definitely protect that 30 90. wishbone good to see you back which one says all jokes aside can we really get a beetle adventure racing uh get beetle adventure racing to work on a 6900 xt or a 39 decane pen so wishbone is the one who sent this in allow me to extract it safely wishbone has been in our stream chats for years at this point like there's a good amount of names that i i know and recognize from years of seeing people in chat and wishbone is definitely one of the earliest ones and i very quickly remembered who wishbone was probably the second time i saw a message because it was always about beetle adventure racing and i thought that was maybe a game like a meme game about beatles that you drive around a track and it is but it's not the bugs well i guess it is but it's not the bugs i thought it was uh so this is from wishbone previously sent it out to us and uh and it is for beetle adventure racing i i had never thought to actually google it i'm gonna set this down here so we can safely put it back later uh i never thought to actually google it and see what the game was that's what it was i didn't answer the question i guess uh i don't have plans currently the test beetle adventure racing i don't know how hard that would be to test linus says i've never been here okay uh nori ss says uh i see gigabyte released a press release about the power supplies uh i'll look at that for a video i think it's better if i do a video on that rather than in the stream they say their crap is fine no worries words not mine however i agree with them uh not the fine part but the crap part and says ps hi patrick question mark uh how's the new cat doing calico for the win i think everything's good there and yes yes calico for the win uh dean bernie said i'm gonna do this last one says hey steve my super chat disappeared earlier i guess uh my question was got a 5600x 3060 ti with old ram 16 gigabytes 3200 3000 megahertz for gaming and streaming do i double it or do i buy fast ram new ram i always enjoy your content from south africa well thank you for watching for sending your question so let's let's see 5600 x is good 36 ti is fine 16 gigabytes 3 000. so the way i would answer this i can't like explicitly answer this for you because i don't know how you use the computer but i'm going to give you some scenarios so i would upgrade if you're talking about faster versus double the capacity i would increase the capacity if you are specifically doing things that use the capacity so if you're working with 3d modeling or cat drawings where you start soaking a lot of system ram uh premiere certainly can use a lot of ram if you're doing the right type of video davinci resolve can use it photoshop can use it depends on the workload but if you're working with larger file sizes larger images then i would increase the capacity don't worry as much about the speed because it's the capacity that will dictate the program crashing or not if you're exceeding the system memory now if you're not using those things you're just gaming 16 gigabytes is plenty and faster or tighter latency will will do more for you so hopefully that answers your question i'm gonna pause here on the super chats we'll get back to them let me come over here though and do some of what the uh the stream set out to do so i talked about this video card a little while ago and we said uh we're talking about fans and specifically i was talking about the initial the first d fan that um uh is i mean standard it's i don't really have a big problem with it or anything but we're talking about that and i said there's one particular type i like i think is there one screw in here do they just pull oh no these are awesome so there must have been like a manufacturing issue with these or maybe they maybe they failed more than they should have or some tolerance issue because they really didn't stick around that i'm aware of and the reason they're so cool uh if they i mean assuming they work properly i don't know why they disappeared is because it's got two clips right here and you pull on them bam that's it and so the reason that's cool now that this is that much easier than taking two or three screws out the reason i like this is because uh the fan is the most common point of failure on a video card it's the mo all these companies for the most part will tell you that rma the the highest army volume is for a fan that died it's probably because a user let it get stuffed up with dust or something and that's fine that's normal most these companies be happy to send you a fan but the problem is sending a fan out to a user when it's like this one it it starts to require disassembling the whole card and a lot of manufacturers are afraid of giving the user that much work to do because if they don't know what they're doing you know you could end up with a poor just poor reassembly and more damage than initially so they'll ask you to send it out to army hell and then send it back to you and uh you'll be lucky if you get in a few weeks so this one i just i thought it was brilliant i'll check chat in a second but yeah sapphire did something similar i saw that question i'll answer that um i thought it was brilliant and it's just pinned to pad contact so i like that a lot you see the pins right there and the pads right there and that's all there is to it really good for user service couple downsides one of them this might be kind of hey hey look who made it it's it's first d they're back uh so it might be i haven't checked you could look this up like on ebay if you wanted to but i don't know how hard it is to find a replacement for this because it's a little bit custom but maybe that's the downside uh as for the person asking hated sapphire do that they did sapphire did it a little differently so sapphire got rid of this mechanism here mechanisms may be a bit generous but two plastic clips and instead they have one on one side and then they have a screw on the other side so they can still tell the user okay your fan died no problem we're going to mail you a fan and then once you get it here's the instructions they'll tell you remove the screw over here pull the fan up with the clip put it back in so it's still helpful uh the way sapphire does it maybe there's a benefit to theirs more secure perhaps but ultimately you're getting rid of the cable and if the cables routed through a heatsink and then down to the pcb that's the problem now pin to pad can be problematic with with guaranteeing or keeping contact uh especially with something that that vibrates because by nature it spins so maybe that was the the reason they got rid of it if they were spinning out of place or something over time i don't know but okay lioness just gonna get more and more ridiculous until he says things i can't say now to answer linus uh there's a user in chat named i believe linus tech tips that's a weird name anyway said is there a is there a sloppy d around i don't know that fan manufacturer i'm not aware of it but i don't know all the fan manufacturers i need a magnet we're going to grab a magnet and this is just how i like to keep screws kind of organized this is very simple to reassemble so i don't need to worry about keeping track of where they go so i like to keep magnets around and i keep them with the card yeah the spins keep them with the card so that i can just reassemble it easily later let's move this into the needs to be reassembled graveyard okay all right so we're going to take this one apart now this is the red devil as a reminder we are working on our modmat you can go to store.gamersnexus.net to grab one i'm going to shout out a couple of those orders actually and the code last day for that is send help so you can get 10 off on the store last day for that one that was to help us with the gigabyte power supply uh cost offset thank you again to those of you helping with that and you get something cool in return like the mod mats which are available on backorder i'll show a couple of the other things too you can grab one of our pints glasses with the bar runners these are super cool this is very unique and custom so you grab on a combo with a pint glass and a bar runner it's just a spill guard it looks really good on surfaces we've got like cpu pins here so these small cpu pins uh memory slots actually yeah memory slots and then pcie slots over here these are not functional so don't expect the video card to turn on if you socket it but it does it is water resistant which is more can be said for video cards so anyway that's all in the store we also have mouse mats and mouse pads over there like the red and black one i've been using during the stream over on my streaming setup uh which is right there this is fairly new still that's the that was the first like fully committed red and black we did and red underside very custom red stitching all right let's get into the teardown of this thing and so once again there's a warranty void if removed sticker it'd be a shame if the ftc found out about that since they're enforcing it now let's track these up here instead pretty simple so four screws for the retention of the cooler to the card standard stuff dual v bios you can see it's got oc and sound what's the stock one they set it to oc by default not always but most of the time this is just a toggle of how much power is allowed to go into the card and the fan curve so if you see this and you're like which one should i use i personally i would generally leave it default whatever it was and roll with that but um and i'll say this too power color in the past has shipped us cards that they were the same like i would test it i would spend four hours testing them and i get to the end of it and i would email power color and say hey uh are these supposed to be the same or is there something wrong and they would say oops and then fix it so they should be different but they're not always depends on if anyone caught it and it's just a power budget limit difference so how much power the gp core is allowed to draw will go down normally with silent and that allows them to bring down the fan curve sometimes they still push the same amount of power they just let it run hotter instead i do prefer the the reduced power consumption approach because that's something that a user is less likely able to do on their own easily anyway and um it's a it's an actual service that the manufacturer can provide saying hey here's this vbios that lets you do whatever let's say 300 watts here's another one it does 260 which is a huge difference and uh you'll lose some performance but it'll be quieter and cooler so that's that is normally what they try to do so these two screws are going into the sorry let me move this not not a base plate there's actually not a base plate on this one they're going into the base of the heatsink the fin stack so you see that there and we've got an eight and a six pin actually i'm gonna walk around this card before we um we disassemble it back plate is in fact metal like the advertising said and like the advertising says it comes with a cooler wow cool uh there's an rgb led here they've got some venting here i think this is honestly mostly for design but it's not a bad idea because it lets some of the heat get out from being trapped under the back plate is there a thermal pad down there that would be nice nope can't do those this card's probably only 400 and something dollars and thermal pads are like at least a few pennies so uh anyway they can't afford those so there's not any throttle pads on the back side and that means unfortunately these become more necessary because otherwise the plate just starts to act as an insulator at least it's not plastic though so that's the plate let's look at the rest fin stack we talked about this earlier shroud doesn't cover it that's a good thing there's a couple of phillips zero sized screws on the top might be ph1 looks like ph zero and then the fan connectors right actually that might be rgb well look at that i'm pretty sure that's actually an rgb connector right there uh for these and then a fan connector it looks like it might be more over on this side we'll look at that once we disassemble it there it is there's your fan connector right there and pins coming through the back now normally they'll put some plastic as an insulative barrier between the back plate and the pins but if it's anodized then they'll be okay i'm talking about a direct short if they were to contact so that's the card pretty basic fins are top to bottom let's finish taking it apart so those will go up there i'm going to take some chats in a second that is i think this is pretty clear but one of the things that nice one of the things that uh took me more time that it should have to figure out many years ago was what these really mean so normally when i'm looking at a device that's complicated and this isn't but when i'm looking at a complicated one i look for uh these because these are just going to be the receptacle basically for the thread i don't know the technical term um on the opposite side of the screw so i mean that's pretty obvious you know when you see it but i don't know why when i first started taking video cards apart like six years ago or something it became very helpful for me when i was thinking through this assembly of oh there's gonna be a screw on the other side of this i need to keep that in mind some you know some things you learn a little slower than others but it was very useful to learn simple enough so that pulls up the thermal paste broke contact as it's supposed to and now we are hung up on all this rgb crap i hope i don't have to take that apart but let's see yeah i think i'm going to maybe maybe i'm trying to keep an eye on what's i'm sorry i can't show you i'm trying to see what's going on inside so i don't like rip a connector out of the board or something and so do i take the lazy approach or not we're gonna go with we're gonna go with yes because i think i know what i'm doing which is always dangerous and [Music] there goes the rgb cable safely disconnected so now i can show you what's going on this is what i just saw all this going on and i was like oh what's all that crap this is this is a hell of a way to do things i think i'm gonna just disconnect these at the joint yeah let's do that yeah this is really hard to work with okay that's disconnected safely and now it's just the fan header itself so that was all rgb there's the fan header okay we're safely disconnected no video cards were hurt that's good rivnut is that the technical phrase if it is that's actually really useful to know let me look that up if someone's trolling me or it's actually what it's called hey that looks right rivet nut yeah i think that's what it is thank you i like it when uh i like it when i can learn stuff like the actual proper names for things that i'm working on no they work sometimes don't know what they're called okay i'm just looking at the super chat so i'm going to go through some of those i do see a message from jared's tag jarrod jared uh jared tech just come through 100 australian thank you said said help i accidentally this message instead of ignoring stream i'm trying to understand the verb in this sentence help i accidentally this message you know it's it is a problem sometimes uh especially as we get older you accidentally a message and um fortunately there are fixes out there for you if you accidentally a message there are things that someone can do for you okay i think that's about the best i can do with that one uh let's do a couple store shout outs really quick cameron from virginia picked up a bar runner and uh cobalt blue beer glass that's what we've got right here thank you cameron for picking that up and use i think use the code uh yes use code send help for 10 off thanks cameron got one i'll shout out from kyle not bit wit kyle from oregon bought a wireframe mouse mat thank you kyle i'm just going to click on a few of the random ones here richard from illinois picked up a volt anti-static modmat thanks richard appreciate it helps a lot with these uh and then we've got i'm gonna try and i'm gonna i'm gonna do my best with this um the pronunciation i mean is there a pronunciation guide is this how you say i hope this is how you say it i'm doing my best here genuinely uh you say biao i think that's how you say it from google you say yeah from california picked up a pc shortage t-shirt that's this one picked up the tri-blend one actually that that i'm wearing but not literally the one i'm wearing that would be gross and weird but they did buy a tripod and t-shirt thank you let's do one more here phillip from california also picked up the explosion and repair logo poster and a video card components poster thanks for picking those up okay let's look at what's the chat saying uh chat says i purposely this video uh yes 10 till midnight eastern time uh for the discount code i think 11 59 i think is when it expires where's ignore gain at okay we've gotten we've gotten a new squad it's not just the notification squad now it's the ignore squad does it still count as ignoring if there's a squad for it i don't know i am actively ignoring this stream from zach or zack r0 i appreciate that i i appreciate the effort that it's not just passively ignoring it uh okay cool let's do oh someone said you should do a collab on making a pc case i don't know if that's in reference to linus or someone else in chat but we have a whole series on factory tours they're my favorite things we've filmed their factory doors are super cool you can check out the series if you're curious about seeing how pc cases are made okay let's jump over to this a little bit and we'll do all the super chats and probably start wrapping up after that so the design for this thing it's and and just if you haven't seen our streams before because it's been a while i try to interact a lot with chat with super chats with the purchases and then still do the content uh it's a tough balance but um you know we try to jump around a lot so hopefully hopefully the flow feels okay all right i i enjoy interacting with the chat it's a lot different than uploads where you upload it and then that's kind of it so this is always fun so uh this one does in fact have a flat cold plate you can see the difference in the direct heat pipe contact approach and this one again one's not necessarily better it does depend on how they're used it's nice to call one thing just simply better than the other but it's not always the case this is typically going to give you a little more of sort of a disparate surface so there are definitely advantages to this this also given that it has a few more screws involved that go directly into the heat sink it's a heavier heat sink so it needs them because it needs the the assistance on holding all that weight but you know as much as i complain about having too many screws for some devices there is an upside sometimes there's diminishing returns too but the upside is that if we were to pressure test this i don't know that i will with this depends how much if i think it'd be interesting but you can see pressure tests with our cooler reviews if we were to pressure test this then uh generally you will see more even contacts not always the case pressure testing doesn't show the flatness of the service it instead shows the pressure distribution of the well the chemical paper as it applies to the silicon and the heat spreader and or the heat sink cold plate so in this instance you've got a few more screws that should have a flatter contact patch than the other i would have test to confirm and we don't have the heat pipe gaps running through that you need to rely on thermal paste for so there's some upsides some downsides too this is going to be nickel plated copper so this color uh is now pretty easy to identify it's almost always going to be copper for a cold plate especially if it looks like this whereas this one this is is you know if you're used to working on this stuff it's fairly obviously aluminum and then copper in the center so it's not nickel plated aluminum or copper on that one uh heat pipes i think these are six mils i'll measure them for you but i think that's going to be one two three four six mils going right through the middle let's go back to some of the basic information just if you don't know maybe some people here can can learn something new so with heat pipes there's really one main goal manufacturers will do their best to advertise the amount of heat pipes they have or the size of the heat pipes they have and there's some truth to advantages for both of those but like most things marketing related it is marketing and the way they decide which one to advertise do we advertise that we have a 10 mil heat pipe or that we have x many heat pipes the way they decide is simply by which number is larger and that's the one that gets marketed so uh or what their competitors are doing if they think they can say they have more but it doesn't mean that it's better just because it has more as with most things and in this case the way really what you're looking for with the heat pipe is where does it contact and sure you could load the whole cold plate with heat pipes if you want to run it all through it'd probably improve a little bit although you made some contact with the fins directly somewhere but it probably improved a little bit but you're at diminishing returns and so all they're trying to do is get as high a percentage of each heat pipe contacting the gpu die as possible while having at least a couple that are 100 in contact you can flatten the heat pipes to give them a wider contact patch so you can maybe flatten these and do like an 8 mil or a 10 mil and you only need like two that go through it but when they're flatter they are less efficient at cooling this is something we've talked with the heat pipe factories about you can see it in our heat pipe factory tour actually so they lose some efficiency but they gain some contact patch so flat heat pipes are fantastic for small devices like say a back plate of a video card on the gpu side or a laptop but they're not so great where you have the real estate to do a fully formed heat pipe where you can get uh more internal surface area in contact with that liquid as it evaporates here and condenses wherever the end is in this instance the end's going to be over here so that's that's your condenser your evaporator is over here uh it's just where's the heat going basically and most of the heat the i guess we'll do this i didn't talk about this earlier but the reason heat pipes are typically regarded as as good uh is because you're shedding a lot of that heat in the phase change process so you're taking heat you're sending it into something that has a little bit of liquid in it and you're changing that from a liquid to a gas so you lose a lot of that shed a lot of that heat in the process move it over to the other end and as it moves over to the other end uh it's going through centered grooves it might be going or going through centered powder i should say it might be going through grooves as well um sometimes there's a mesh weave in there pretty uncommon these days and uh the mesh weave is just it's literally like a weave of copper that's like that woven over itself not as common center is the most common so moves to the other end fans obviously blow through it and it cools it down water goes back so that's why the regard is good let's get a measurement on this i think it's gonna be six mil i don't think it's four so that's gonna be a six millimeter heat pipe right there so pretty standard uh six and eight are the most common and just again larger is not better on this so if you see a box if you're like i think i like both of these devices they're priced about the same how do i tell which one i want this one has six mil heat pipes this one has eight that's not how you tell you can look at basically anything else it's gonna give you more info i can you know i've tested a lot of gpu coolers i can't look at a box if they're very similar and tell by the box uh description which one's better you can tell if you pull it out look at it maybe but there's a lot of info you really don't know until you take it apart so honestly you'd be better off looking at other features that might be more useful to you instead like for example rgb which as we discussed earlier is a rotational gravity belt that sounds pretty good i've heard good things about gravity so i think it probably helps gpus i'm not pretty sure what else is on here so thermal pads these are thin pads they look like about half a mil they might have been one mil before they were compressed and actually that's about one mil pad on those we've got one two three four memory modules they flank the gpu and uh pretty basic it contacts the cold plate this is good they don't always do that sometimes they contact a separate plate that's just aluminum so they're sharing a cold plate which does mean that the gpu is going to appear a little bit higher in temperature because you're sharing this surface to sync everything as opposed to doing a um where'd that thing go well wherever it was the i don't know where i put it oh there it is as opposed to doing something like this except larger but for memory so some companies will do like a separate plate on the memory like evga does with the kp coolers for example with copper and depending where it goes you might not uh might not make the gpu look hotter because they're all going in the same place okay let's see some of the questions what's jesse gravity keeps you grounded uh okay all right that one's pretty good i'll read that sean and chat says gravity also known as linus's nemesis because of the the dropping stuff get it that's pretty good though uh right oh there's another one fractured life gravity attracts stuff linus throws it so we've turned it into an active process now not a passive one or an accidental one let's see that's a good question uh i don't know the answer to this i i it might be in our video this is from kenneth nelson and chat says what degree celsius temperature does heat pipe fluid evaporate my card goes to 80 degrees celsius so uh i can comment on this part the gpu core being adc doesn't really reflect what temperature the liquid is inside of the heat pipe in that in that regard they are somewhat isolated systems and we don't have a way to measure easily the temperature of the liquid in the heat pipe i'm not sure what it evaporates at it is functionally well not functionally it is vacuum sealed it evaporates lower than the boiling point uh and that's by design but i can't remem i i have an idea for what it is but i don't want to say it because i don't want to produce misinformation have someone quote it but it's lower than boiling point i don't remember the specific number i think it might be in our how heat pipes work video or our how heat pipes are made video uh not 100c though that would be too high it wouldn't be useful uh wadoku quoted me and said i heard good things about gravity quote steve 2021 yep that's that's the kind of content you get here so um a couple things about the board and the cooler we talked about the cooler actually already so these mosfets are in direct contact the plate that goes to the heatsink pretty basic stuff nothing special or bad there we've got is that rgb i don't know if that's debug or rgb i need to look at the marketing header over here i think that's rgb uh that might be an addressable is that that's that's got the pin out of an addressable rgb header right there on the the mod mod is what i'm looking at pin outs help a lot uh we've got a blank spot we've got a shunt resistor that's not exciting i mean cable for rgb leds this was for rgb leds this was actually really annoyingly wired that could have been done a lot but there's so much plastic here i know what they're trying to do they're trying to diffuse these these are the boards right pcbs those have leds on the other side of them they project down it diffuses across the plastic surface supposed to look cool i don't know i don't really it's not what i do but uh and so you've got these soldered to each other that's not that doesn't come off how's the board secured is it glue sort of the board is secured oh it's not even a screw man come on guys that's unfortunate so the board's secured with maybe like a metal spike in there or something it's not a screw there's there's no there's no head for that and then glue on top of it so there's hot glue we found it it's on the led pcbs connecting wire this wire also soldered in comes over connects to this and then it talks to i assume the leds on the back let's go ahead and take that apart as well i like this this uh no i wouldn't mention this but since the whole stream idea was that it's a test stream i like this producer style setup we have right now so keegan's in the same room behind andrew and he's got a monitor facing me and he's got a preview of the monitor facing him and it's nice to look over there and see if one of the streams working and because we've had problems with that and then two uh if the um if there's anything i need to know so linus uh linus giving key gonna work today by typing things in the chat and then key and putting it on a notepad with size 32 font for me to see from over here it's actually pretty cool maybe we'll do like a video of the setup once we're happy with it and um especially at the new place i have a lot of plans for increasing the efficiency of the new place here all right we're almost done here then i'm just going to go through the super chats it looks like things are working though so this is where the card stops working and the stream goes down the audio breaks and the batteries die hey you've got some shielding over here don't always get that could be rf or heat looks like heat shielding to me but i'm not an expert in rf okay so we do have one more of these i'll try and pull it out of the connector if i can yep okay cool let's do this first not much to look at here so there's your connector for the leds back side of the inductors the mosfets and uh caps if you don't know inductor and choke it's the same thing just different words people use i'm going to talk about the vrm and then there's your led diffusion you know they've got metal covering it so they can make the shape they have fortunately well they've stopped doing power color things with shapes that they're using correctly so that's good and then we've got rubber bumpers here and no thermal pads on the back plate now i don't think that would bother me as much but don't they make claims about like the back plate on here and heat do they let's see oh come on guys god it's so stupid this is so this is this is like so if you're gonna make a card we have a metal backplate and no thermal pads it annoys me a little bit but it's not it's kind of whatever a lot of people do that so i'm not i don't really care as much as i used to what bothers me if you zoom in on where it says back plate up here andrew uh it says the metal back plate strengthens the card okay sure and offers better heat dissipation i have a question for you power collar um it's it's pretty complex question the the question is how how does it do that how does the heat get into the metal back plate that offers better heat dissipation uh here's the answer it doesn't go through rubber very well so it's not going through there there's no contact of this with the pcb obviously because that would cause a direct short so where's the thermal pads it's you know it's when we go from waste of material for looks that's one thing that's fine i i can live with that uh but when you go from that to just blatantly lying in the marketing and saying it helps with heat dissipation come on like get real power color knows better than that uh i i guess we'll um i guess i'll they they emailed me before the reviews went up and they said hey do you have any feedback there it is there's my feedback stop lying is that so hard come on it's so so pointless screws yeah all right sure yeah someone's thinking these copper screws i mean not a great way to do it but uh okay anyways salmon chat our community moderator so they forgot to put magic in their marketing for the back plate yeah yeah i mean that's the thing right someone someone pointed this out too and i agree with this uh dallin and chad says don't claim it's for better performance when there's no thermal pads just claim it looks cool that's totally fine if they said we put a backplate on it uh it looks cool it helps with structural integrity sure all right that's fine but then they're like also uh it sprays unicorns out the backside and uh it has a rotational gravity belt well actually does that's that's i think that's what that is that's the rgb but it doesn't spray unicorns so copper squares i like this comment too jason jason baumgartner here in chat brings up a very good point says that a 110 degrees celsius isn't that hot uh and then says compared to the sun i think uh let's see temperature of the sun 5505 degrees celsius that's pretty close to like an fx bulldozer cpu not that far off okay all right let me read through all the super chats i think we're good on the disassembly yeah just like i don't know the cards i said it in the review but it's hard to get excited about cards at these prices right now with this level performance with this stagnation that's what it is it's like one dollar for one more percent who cares you get that within a generation certainly two years later it should be better than that but um then seeing like the blatant lie marketing it's that's the part that bothers me so even if it doesn't like affect how the gpu performs because that fortunately that's not a part that power color touched so it should be fine uh let's read these so we have a good amount of super chats to go through and uh we're done with the disassembly at this point but we have if that's the edge temperature of the sun what's the junction temperature of the sun is there is the edge to junction high maybe we can improve the contact of the sun to space i don't know uh the mage says what happened to the motherboard maker a bit abbott abit they were popular when i first got into computers i left for a while came back they were gone i've actually never heard of that brand uh patrick stone probably has what when what did they make defunct 2008 that would explain it i was building computers then but uh if they were on their way out i might not have seen anything from them so founded 1989 wow well i don't know i learned something new though i never heard of them before i wish i could answer your question but it does look like wikipedia i said it could uh trevor monday did you read my chat i guess so i don't know is there another one if it's a super chat then i'll get to it if it was a normal chat and i read this one after it then no sorry um okay uh mike sherry said oh this was earlier you're doing fine thank you appreciate it robert mahl said test super chat please ignore i think we got that one earlier refusa how hard or brittle is silicon is it easy to scratch it can be yeah for sure uh so the we've got chat talking about uh the junction temperature of the sun now which i greatly appreciate i like that you won't find that kind of discussion in any other livestream chat um silicon can be easy to scratch so there's a thing on the die the actual we'll call it components doing all the work on the silicon are going to be closer to the substrate that's the green part than they are to the surface in most instances and the top of it will generally have what's called a diffusion barrier i learned that that uh specific information from their bower many years ago so it's got a diffusion barrier on it and that helps protect it a bit so you can kind of scratch up the diffusion barrier certainly wouldn't recommend it but things will still run however once you get to hbm especially it's very fragile and with hbm you can say clean around the outside of it and we back when we were disassembling cars with hbm recommended against this but uh if you use like your fingernail or something to try and get in between the hbm die like crevice uh to get the throne paste out then there was a somewhat decent chance you could damage it by scratching it so the answer how hard or brittle is it is it easy to scratch uh it can be easy to scratch yes it sort of depends on what it is and what kind of protection barrier they have on it okay abit and asus used to be huge competitors that's cool i like i should look up more about them uh the username here is blank but they sent ten dollars thank you said why is the diet rotated like that excellent question i asked ace asus i asked amd the same question and um i said hey is there a just curious their particular reason and when you ask questions like that you have to say just curious otherwise they think that you're trying to dig their grave and they're gonna try and figure out what angle you have i was just curious so after they consulted internally they did come back with an answer and what i was told is that i'm not 100 sure if this is why but they said um it's because of the packaging they use for laptops where uh since you you want the vrm components in the memory to be a certain distance from the gpu silicon itself uh it i guess helped them to achieve those dis those nominal distances by rotating the die i don't know how i can't verify that but i have no reason to not believe them that'd be a weird thing to make things up about so uh that was their explanation that makes sense i guess and i guess uh you know as for why they rotate it when they put on the substrate for uh d gpu i don't know i guess if the um i haven't looked at the laptop ones but if they're all on the same sort of substrate and package then i guess that kind of makes sense okay uh next one trevor mundy oh there there it is uh the rtx 3060m has a tdp of 80 watts why don't we have desktop gpus that are as powerful and can be powered by pcie slot only 75 watts so pcie slot can do 75 watts it does 66 at the 12 volt and then the rest of it the other nine or so comes from 3.3 and 5 volts so one of the challenges is 12 volt where you really shouldn't be pulling 75 watts through 12 volt in a pcie slot that's technically out of spec they'll mostly uh they would be in compliance so with the spec so that's one reason it's 12 volt limitation and the other one is being a laptop there's a lot of special tuning they do for laptops they'll do stuff i don't i i haven't followed the 30 series laptops just make that really clear so i don't know what they've done there uh i've focused only on desktop for this generation but a lot of times in the past they'll sort of make a cut down version they play around with frequency and core count and manage a balance where it is more power optimized uh and is built to work with the cpus that it's expected to work within a laptop as opposed to literally anything in their desktop uh okay gerard's text says no one likes laptops anyway that makes me sad [Laughter] cc good to see you back cc says steve i need an even larger mouse mat also tater tots i think there's time to get tater tots after the stream i mean not for you unfortunately i don't know where you are but for us there might be maybe where you are there's time to get some too uh i agree on the second part for sure i didn't even larger mouse map we've talked about it um i would kind of need to figure out like what specific dimensions it is people most want right now we are carrying the one size and it seems to to really make a lot of people happy so um you know we've got a fixed amount of money we can spend on product and it's easier for us to to pick something that we think will work well for our design and for the most buyers and then try to accommodate that and save the other money for some other other product but all that said uh i have seen the request for them and something we've talked about we just need to figure out what size that is okay uh let's see i'm just reading the reading the comments people are talking about tater tots now vav247 24 7 says cajun tots so good i don't think i've tried cajun seasoning on tater tots it's something we can make happen though that is we are capable i believe we with someone here probably knows how to do that it sounds complicated but i think we can get it done all right i'm gonna scroll through we have a lot more super chats to scroll down through but i saw one coming just now from tech tech potato right when we're talking about tater tots uh tech tack potato shows up ian katjus from anatec and his own channel techtech potato says hey steve how are the chips tasting excited for hot chips you know ian i i know that your signature thing is posing eating a wafer as in like a silicon wafer for those who aren't aware and um frankly i'm just a little intimidated i haven't tried it before i'm afraid of things like eating silicon it works for you and you get a lot of cps tested so uh maybe you're extracting power from them i'm not sure how it works we're gonna take a closer look and try and figure it out and then next stream i'll eat silicon wafers and if anything goes wrong it'll be your fault okay next one is from uh did i get this one yet no adrienne petrov said thanks steve back to you adrian next one module cell i have an 850 watt power supply i have four 14 terabyte hard drives i want to use oh man that's getting complicated fast i want to use eight 16 terabyte hard drives do i need to upgrade my power supply to 1200 watt psu thanks give it the good work 414 terabytes and wants to more or less double to eight i i don't so um i don't know the other components in your build uh the cpu and the gpu will dictate more heavily what power supply you have hard drives do take a decent amount of power i'm not sure the modern numbers on those i remember a long time ago when i tested it it was like some of them were like 30 watts i don't know if that's still how what they draw i haven't tested hard like 3.5 inch hard drives for power a long time i'm sure there's numbers out there probably the manufacturer spec is trustworthy on that i mean they supply data centers it should be so to answer the question do you need to upgrade your power supply will i think hinge more on what cpu and gpu do you have and to try and get the answer that you can look up power consumption numbers for your cpu and cp reviews make sure you understand what's at the wall or at the cables and then you can add that to the gpu power consumption numbers from gp reviews same thing if they're both at the cables you can more or less add them together to get like a picture of 100 load but it's a little more complicated than that most of the time only one of them is going to be fully maxed the other one won't be fully maxed but if you want to really leave overhead that'll help you leave overhead on the cp and gpu i'm going to cut off the superchats we're going to read all the ones that are here but i'm going to i won't be reading any ones after this time which is 8 57 pm uh 8 57 pm eastern okay all right let's unhide that i'm going to go through all the other ones though so if it's in here it'll be red oh thanks cc says to be super conservative at about 20 watts per hard drive so if cc is uh correct on that and i i have seen good info out of cc before then hopefully that helps let's see all right uh next one ion mazer says hey steve did you guys look at main gear digital storm for pre-built yet not yet i'd be interested to see what a boutique si can do i agree with you uh i'm also interested in falcon northwest they've been around a long time they're still more or less around so i'd like to look at what they're doing these days too those three are on my list for sure they are on the more expensive side though so i don't know when we'll get to them ask a monster said why don't linus donate linus doesn't donate because linus knows that if he posts a message in chat probably i'll see it he's he's uh he knows linus knows what he's doing uh he although one time he did spam one dollar donations to our chat just to spam them and his credit card i think actually got frozen uh because it looked fraudulent because he was just spamming one dollar donations to youtube uh so i enjoyed that i i i think he should do that more often especially if i get a dollar each time although the conversion rate's not not really that favorable but close enough leviathan prim says hello gn thank you for the power supply and si content it was good to see wendell in the hardware news yes i want to do more work with with uh wendell sometime soon we have ideas we're kind of slowly working on some stuff in the background but i'm not sure what the next one will be really fun to work with him uh and he's not too far from us so it's it it could be done more easily pastel the shedmin says 6600xt is about 589 to 699 okay aussie dollars and in stock love to see you doing more live streams again i hope this lets you afford an anechoic chamber hey the the five aud will help like for sure anything helps with that um maybe that if we're lucky that's a year out i don't know it's complicated with that thing but uh i don't know if 590 to 700 aud is is good compared to the rest of the market there but if they're in stock that is good because if the price isn't good and they stay in stock it'll come down um but at least at least they're stock that's good to see uh okay so so linus got someone says the lion's got dropped by his credit card company question mark always the dropping it's always the drop in uh see super chat scroll down for me who's that i read left oh is gordon in chat i'm being told gordon is in chat is he under his name or pc world oh his name uh oh there he is gordon gordman whose twitter handle i think is fake gordman because that's how he runs uh says i've been ignoring for about an hour so good that is that is what the title requests i'm glad it's working good to see gordon in chat gordon works at pc world they do streams too he's uh awesome a lot of fun to work with uh check out their channel if you haven't seen it okay let's see i got that question we're just going through all the super chats and and we'll close out we did the tear down already if you're trying tuning in late and andrew's uh jumping over quickly to show what's left of it i got that question uh okay thomas twenty dollars thank you says hey steve i have a power color red devil 5700 xc that i'm happy with except one of the fans that makes a ticking noise at all rpm all rpms i can't find any replacement fans what would you recommend i do good question thanks steve back to you steve um if someone rxc red devil makes a ticking so you may have done a lot of this i know there's a limited amount of space for uh the super chat but i'm gonna list them anyway there's making it taking the first thing i do is look for cables that are maybe uh as andrew's worrying about the cable on his headphones is that or maybe in contact with a fan so look internally this happens on our one of our 3080s or 2080 ti's where the cable clips actually at certain rpms but not all of them because the fan like has some lift off but look for clipping cables the next thing would be look for if the fan blade is touching the inner wall of the shroud i've seen that too and sometimes it it doesn't happen at all rpms so look for those two things you might be able to just remove it and reinstall it and try to only tighten each of the screws like 25 and keep going you know four times around a circle uh to try and get it as centered as you can that might be enough sometimes an extra half millimeter is enough to shut it up if none of those are it and you do think it is in fact the fan your best option is look at the code try to find it on ebay or something if you can't find it uh my advice i guess would be to email um power color and try to just ask them to send you please please just send me a fan i don't want to send my card off please just send me a fan and see if they can help you out potato in chat said me versus steve versus wendell versus linus does that say does that say cat okay cat video face off just making sure i um it does in fact make sense i think that the context is perfectly sensible but i wanted to make sure i can probably i i don't does that mean like our cats battle because i'm not sure that's legal or that we should do that uh or does it mean that we make cat videos and uh our cats are benchmarked in some way like uh kibbles per minute consumption or jump height okay next one um let's see revenant says got my small modmat and love it glad to hear that also what does the fox say i think it says or whatever the sauna is the hollow how old is that uh video idea do a bill of materials for 6 600 xt we could get a better idea of cost to manufacture them i'm sure red and green are capitalized in market demand although client base is not their norm you're absolutely right on that it's hard to do a bomb for bom for most devices with certain manufacturers i can kind of get it um you always have to question how truthful they're being so then you start going down the hall of right we can literally price out every component on the board that's kind of difficult we don't know if they have certain bulk ordering prices and we ultimately don't necessarily know the price of the gpu plus the memory that's the hard part so i do like the idea we've done stuff like that in the past but it kind of depends on how close i am to contacts at partners at the time who would share that info uh okay new unit of measurement kibble's printed daryl scott ten dollars says my 5700xt that cost 600 600 died three months after paying too much for it what is the likelihood they're relaxing qc standards for components very high the likelihood for that is exceptionally high because why would you qc it if it's going to sell anyway just hope it doesn't fail and then deal with it later and hopefully the deal with it later is actually dealing with it not straining you alone but if it's new i i hope you can get a refund on it well yeah maybe not a refund but a replacement you're three months in so and if you bought it used i don't know you could try to go through your used uh broker like ebay or whatever but that sucks uh alexandrew says we need a steve j and the linus wan show i think i was i think i was on the lan show once with like two other guests we each shared a segment jay might have been one of them that was fun uh uh r-i-r-w-m will you ever shave your beard sometimes it's shorter sometimes it's not depends on how much time i have that week uh cocky joe tm says is it worth it to get an aio cooler for the evga 3080 good question um so depending on which 3080 worth it is kind of tough strictly speaking worth it no like as in is it worth the money am i gonna get proportional gains no you're probably not you're definitely not worth it like it gives you something fun to do or you're overclocking and you want some competitive headroom yes it is worth it for that you'll get a bit more headroom bringing down the temperature will boost the frequency that it runs at even without you doing anything how much that affects gaming it's typically like single digit percentages these days and they're low so i don't think it's it's worth it if you're just gonna connect it and then that's it if you want to learn about disassembling building a video card it's worth it um but uh otherwise not particularly gio neves uh said it needs more cowbell can't disagree with that alex says you never for you never forget first d referring to the fan manufacturer just to be clear for the youtube overlords who are going to demonetize us uh 6 million uh 6 million said did not just to be cleared not send six million dollars that's the name six million said i bought tons of 1080 ti's for cheap currently supplying the bros with gpus if you got 10 atis for cheap that's awesome the 1080 ti is still like my favorite car that's been made anytime recently ralphie says thanks steve back to you the ozone says hi steve hi uh good to see you back aaron huffman says back to you steve we got like three back to back here we're roll um ethg says tech and mountain biker we should send it and speak about the rtx 4080. i don't have anything on the 4080 yet uh they i don't have they even been rumors yet i don't think they're anywhere close to that and why would they i guess sell everything anyway shade cyclone is the 5800x worth the buy planning to buy one i'm so i prefer the 5600x or the 5900x the 5800x is in a bit of a middle ground the 5600x i like more for the gaming side the 5900x i like more for the production side i can see an argument for the 58 i don't think it's necessary for gaming i don't think it's necessary for gaming and streaming even uh i could see it being useful if you sort of do production workloads that are thread-based but not too frequently enough to justify 5900x so that's kind of a narrow gap where i would recommend it with a firm recommendation it's not bad it's just you can save a little bit with a 5600x or you can get a lot more of the 5900x although i don't think that's too commonly available so a lot of people bought the 58x for that reason charles said we'd love to see you do some ocs on the 6600xts that have the huge 6800xc level coolers thoughts yes we could definitely do that um i could maybe strap a liquid nitrogen pot to it but i'm not sure if the whole spacing's the same too uh steelgreyrider says love the channel thank you ricky sent ten dollars and a sticker that's his number one fan thank you the stickers are always funny i think we are approaching the bottom of the list uh eddie giovanniello no message aliana cordova no message thank you to both uh six million said do you think half-life three will be available on the steam deck eight i don't know if that's intentional eight or not that's very ambitious of you if it is that's very very ambitious um will it be available if it gets made i don't think it's going to come out with it though um aleana cordova said i goofed last time wish i give more but thank you guys for how much info you give us on hardware and other products been watching for years cool thank you it's always interesting to see people count when they say they've been around since whatever year because so much has changed every year a lot changes with how we do things we improve stuff so um i did say i would cut off super chats but this one says steve bring the gold cat out so we can say hi that's interesting phrasing it's going to stop waving there you go uh okay tom kavulik says what does it say on the golden cat's arm how's your chinese coming along steve i think my my speaking has gotten a lot better since last time we were in asia and uh it'll help a lot with factory tours now i'm at a point where where i can ask some questions get some answers and hopefully cut out some of the um the mistranslations however i am illiterate i cannot read characters andrew can read some characters i don't know can you read those it definitely says something about fortune for sure i think there's a foo character in there but i'm not sure um definitely something about fortune but yeah it's it was too much to try and try and learn both i can't do it maybe later i would like to and i should but one thing at a time is enough for now with that it's hard enough language already chat is like spamming high and hey every time you pointed out the cat chad's saying hi and it's pointed out the screen behind andrew that's showing us the chat and the stream so if it's sentient then uh it can read your messages the zoo man they're saying uh yes basically so mean dot go says basically the word in the arms is saying bring luck and treasure i thought it was something like that but one day i'll be able to read characters because they're still spamming high it's awesome uh nick vargas sent five dollars no message revenant sent fi oh now they're really going crazy with it chad just went like uh rev i guess the stream delay caught up oh we got the steve versus linus repair competition if linus loses he has to wear one of the gamer's next shirts for a year if steve loses linus gives him a haircut that's not fair at all uh but i won't lose that's fine an47 pro says wishbone is cultured i still have my copy of beetle adventure racing from when i was a kid i tipped my fedora you know uh ultimate nine says no need oh here you go andrew uh davidian says the arm on the cat says back to you steve let's see ultima 9 says no need to reply to this one while i'm doing it anyway uh thank you says just want to show my support thanks for putting on a great show always enjoy seeing the gn notifications pop up thanks thanks for for watching and for supporting this way uh all of it helps a lot and i'm glad that you get some kind of value out of the streams or the videos jacob laster said once there's a distro with simple gaming support amd will have incentive to add our dna to support on rock'em wow i forgot about that uh hopefully there aren't hardware limitations and the os doesn't interfere i'll dump nvidia in a heartbeat for more vram that's valid if you know what you need it for yeah sure uh definitely um that's andy evans yeah so this makes sense to me amd should benefit from more linux support i think in general for gaming so it makes sense that they would work on it too uh okay can you juggle no we can try it with video cards or cpus see how people react rf merrill have you encountered phase change tim in a consumer product kind of or in gaming hardware uh it's interesting stuff but i don't know if they'd spend the money in a product or the customer might just replace it uh sort of maybe the closest thing i've encountered is a liquid metal thermal pad where it's actually like a solid when you apply it it's a thermal pad and when it heats up past a certain temperature i think it was 60 or 70 on that product it liquefies and turns into more standard liquid metal and then it cools down and it turns back into just a pad that you can pick up and move and the liquid is not going to like fall off of it if you move it around or if you like flip the card was one of the other benefits of it but there were some downsides it would stick to the heat sink and it was basically done after that you're not putting anything else on there ever with that one i don't know if they ever shipped it to market um so interesting stuff though vc has changed his name the vc pester says is linus tech tips a computer guy like you i'm not sure uh this is the first time i've ever heard of linus tech tips is that a middle name tech or i'm not sure if that's maybe it's french i don't know uh but anyway linus tech tips uh first time i've heard of him we'll check out his channel after this mythos mint says okay we got that joke already i'm gonna read it multiple times um rf merrell i've used the magnetic screw trays that sell for working on cars before that they sell not all screws and electronics are magnetic unfortunately correct that is because they're made of different metals uh if you're working with like aluminum screws for example not gonna be magnetic jeff gerling no message thank you though uh adam jiminez says hello steve we've been trying to reach you concerning your vehicle's extended warranty you should have received the notice in your mail about your car's extended warranty eligibility thanks i can't escape them we're almost through these super chats and then we'll be done mark wickrein's or sorry wicking says hey steve loving the volts mod matt but really want a set of the gn tools any chance they'll be back in stock again or pre-orders loving the stream thank you so yeah tool kits great question a lot of people have been asking that uh they are in manufacturing we're approaching a point at which we'll have a date for when they'll arrive and as soon as we have a firm date we'll put them up on back order the reason we do it this way i i don't like putting stuff up for back order when i don't know firmly when it's going to get here i want people to know exactly the window we've been pretty good on the window estimations we tend to be conservative on the far side so we'll let you know in a news video as soon as they're up for back order but they're not yet because we don't have a firm date on arrival we're gonna wait till we have that uh i'm thinking probably a couple months at this point but we'll let you know uh definitely appreciate the interest though okay ola hammer strom says just a drunk dot dot fair enough qriket man cricket man didly smith says totally ignoring the stream but when screwdriver is talking just got that one that's very convenient uh adam jiminez says who has the better hair aka tech jesus or gun jesus from forgotten weapons i think i think i'll have to let chat decide that one i'm not sure temerius rodis uh nexus my homie two months ago bought a gigabyte gp550 plus b am i in danger of burning my whole pc we have not tested that one as far as we are aware right now the only power supplies that we are concerned about would be the specific 750 and specific 850 models we named they make other 750s and 850s that are fine in fact we've been using one in our case testing bench for a long time now so if it's not one of those two power supplies we named then we have no reason to suspect one way or the other that is bad hopefully that answers that doesn't mean it's okay but i haven't tested it so uh if you haven't seen a bunch of reports about it it's probably okay though uh revenant explain the star trek ship on the bench back there i saw it at a um what would you call it i guess maybe like i don't know what you would really call it it's almost like it it's like a nerd antique store that's what it is a hobby shop maybe um i saw that one and i thought this is cool i like this and then i bought it and i put it there uh that's a weird story i like tng um and some of the other ones sometimes depend on which which era we're talking about uh the master of cubes i was looking for reviews of course here sfx 750 watt power supply and everything about it was good except that i had a very low hold up time how much of a problem is that should i be scared to use it probably not like probably not shouldn't be scared to use it um the that's something we probably i'm gonna write that down actually so next week we're gonna be working on another power supply video about uh protections so patrick stone's gonna be talking about like ocp otp opp all those protections and what they kind of mean it's not gonna be probably not published next week because we need to do some peer review in the industry but we're going to start working on it i've added a hold up time to the list and i will ask him to go into some of the review stats that you might see because that's a good question i don't think it should particularly bother you unless you have a reason to 132.jpg i've heard rgb is the most important feature because you can literally see it i love the intel memes reuben mar is 3090 kin pen overpriced what does it cost 3090 kin pin is it available uh well the place i just found it is three thousand six hundred seventy dollars so yes the next question henny g says for a card with g6x memory on the back it's like a 30 90. isn't it better to just remove the back plate and leave the vram on the back basically exposed it can be if you have a fan pointed at them it can be for sure but otherwise no i think we've got let me highlight this one how many here not too many yeah we're making good progress here kanza would you consider doing a gn pc build for the year or each year with the best value core components like the opposite of the disappointment build i don't know what that is that it's the appointment build close enough actually we thought about that last year i remember looking at that and it was like right when the shortages were still kind of fresh and really bad and so we didn't do it but i do like the idea it's the opposite disappointment build i think it makes sense um we probably do that this year i'm hoping this supply eases up looks like it's going that direction deep fried lettuce didn't send a message but i like the name rf merrell said i don't know if this will apply to your work but for stubborn connectors that i have to unplug frequently i sometimes rapid fix the wires where they go into the connector so i don't break them off that also makes sense mark 903 does the gn bar head except ddr5 ram we haven't tested it i i have not tried socketing ddr5 ram in the bar mat but uh perhaps we can tour visionware fits i don't know i don't know where to go with that there it is right there okay uh sean miller said drop into the wan show and troll him like he did you is he live if he's still alive when we close this out i will uh corey reynolds 3000 series have had major issues with nvr with stuttering and frame jobs since october no fixing over a year is this something you think they can't fix or they would have by now that's a well-phrased question i so i i'll start this with i'm not familiar with the stuttering just because i don't follow vr too closely um maybe that's the reason maybe there's not enough pressure for them to fix it and so they haven't because they have other things to fix uh like cards blowing up in games that come out um i don't know uh for sure there's stuff like that that's happened in the past where it's like okay it's not fixed it's clearly never going to be fixed at this point i don't know if that's the case here vr is popular enough especially right now that i would think there'd be pressure internally i'm not familiar with the issue but i wish i could say we'd look into it but we don't have a good set up for vr testing anymore at least not right now and we don't have any modern vr headsets either but uh to answer the question i think they're probably focusing on other stuff and maybe a fix will come out but they nvidia when it forgets about things it tends to forget them forever so i don't know it's like a little hesitant with them leviathan prim best live stream this week thanks steve that's good because the first one we've done this week uh our merrell said silicon is quite hard surprisingly light but very brittle it is really sharp it breaks that's true i i we have broken it i once broke off a corner of a chip dye and it still worked probably because it was the bottom side that's true too so that's a good point and if you're curious to see what the silicon actually looks like inside of the dye or this the diffusion barrier in the dye you can check out a video we did with 10 formerly from evga and uh tim's an awesome engineer really fun video with him maybe keegan can find it and put it in chat um what was that called try typing like blowing up a video card with 10 evga or something and else the video starts with him taking a cp repair tool you may have never heard of it actually let me get we have one here he starts the video with a cpu repair tool which looks like this so these are pretty specialized and he takes the cpu repair tool and he smashes the silicon and the reason is he does that with a uh an engineering board or a dead board or i think it was a dead board so it had no value and um showed us sort of inside the silicone it's pretty cool uh and he told me don't touch that it's sharp have you been uh herrick herrick says when price for gb has come back to normal what would you recommend as far as pure gaming 6800x or 3080. i liked both when they launched i thought they both made sense for different things 3080 made more sense for high resolution and uh and ray tracing performance and if you don't care about that then the 6800xt made a lot of sense for 1440 or 1080. okay uh mags dies it says don't have a goal for you to straighten your hair kl semicolon right parentheses luck dragon says come join us on star citizen please don't kill our party like linus i'll let you fly the carrack we used to do a lot of coverage of star citizen actually were you able to find that video or no okay cool so it should be in chat i guess uh matt coffin said any desire for a chat with an independent amd gpu linux and the gpu driver contributor i'm not big time but i write the navi 1 uh 1x overclocking support and vr for proton probably um i think that it would probably make sense for us to get a better idea of the uh linux driver side support frame this stuff as the steam that comes out so that'd be a good thing where maybe like an email to team at gamersnexus.net and then what we'll do is as we run into questions when we get to the steam deck uh we'll send it over to you send over questions uh see if maybe you have some ideas or you can point us the right way thank you uh wench okay so i'll go troll that one a little bit hornet says i somehow got a 3080ti fe for retail price unfortunately i paid retail uh also memory is nearly as hot as the sun anything to improve it fans it's probably the easiest thing point fans at it um you can do weird stuff in your case and try and kind of like rig the fan so it's at the edge of the board and point it down at the back that might help otherwise tweak the fan curve and precision or afterburner that might help or water cooling i guess i don't really that's getting expensive though shane conroy no message okay we're in the last i think like three or four here so that's gonna be it uh the big dog says hey steve is 1.36 v core okay on a 10 900k at 5.2 all core i don't want to kill my ship 1.36 i think is fine depending on what you mean by that so if it's 1.36 set what you typed in bios make sure that's what it's actually running at hardware info will give you a decent idea for that uh if you you're blasting llc 1.36 might be 1.40 but likely it's 1.36 or a little below and um i think that's okay it's hard for me to say i can't commit to if it's okay long term for longevity it should be fine but we don't have enough data it's really no but i i would personally be comfortable with that paul franks no message thank you uh we got that one okay colonel indiana this is how do you measure your custom cables in what capacity we don't we don't have custom cables if you mean like you're buying custom cables i don't know what you mean i'm sorry like either i guess you either would go for the length of the cable or the wire gauge maybe i would check i just checked the manufacturer uh maybe i'm missing the question um okay i think we're good here we're pretty much we're done at this point i'm going to do the last page of super chats and then we're done kodak can you perhaps take a look at the gigabyte 38 extreme water force card no current plans normally i would say yes but uh if there's more interesting stuff for us to work on right now and the gpu interest is just it's just not high enough so we got limited time for limited things and at the time the moment i'm not doing a lot of partner models sorry i would love to normally but uh mike evans said love the videos thank you great detailed information dedication to always improve is appreciated and says the mouse mats are sweet by the way thank you i'm glad you like it wookie drew five dollars sent a super chat sticker with hippo that has a wheel and is going fast i have not seen that one before but i like it khan says memory 3600 cl 16 versus 38 cl 18 what's your estimate on the percent performance difference i can't that's not like a thing i can do so the reason is when you plug those two kits into the board and you just set xmp there's a whole bunch of other timings and it's going to set those auto so cl 16 versus 18 you might be getting like a different trfc on one than the other it could maybe one 724 maybe once 312. that would have a difference that would reflect in the results maybe four act window is different so that's not enough information to sort of predict the difference also with amd you got into sort of what's your if ratio too okay uh jose cortina says hey see a huge fan thank you i use your mouse pads as as placemats in my dining room amazing stuff will i be able to purchase a gn branded no2 tank and a large tool bench i don't have plans uh for tanks or large tool benches maybe we should make our own liquid nitrogen tanks though maybe that's that's the next natural progression is to start manufacturing something that contains a liquid which can be explosive it doesn't sound like i'll just call the insurance company and say yes i would like to add coverage for a new product and they'll say what is it and i'll say it contains liquid nitrogen and they'll be like what is that and then i'll say don't worry about it guaranteed they'll say what is that that's what they said when i told them about like mouse pads rand royce has wtf was biostar thinker that gpu released probably the same thing biostar always think with their cards laser hawk 64. heard graphics cards only use 12 volt power why is that i came to pcs via electronics please be technical i don't have really that technical of an answer um so through the pcie slot you will see some 3.3 volt and some 5 volt draw for sure we've measured it it's not very high it's only maybe a couple watts you'll see like 0.3 sometimes so there's not a lot of power there 12 volt you know i don't know sort of why originally that was decided to be used i guess that's the most common voltage rail in the computer in general and that's what they use but i i'm sorry i don't have a i don't have like the historical answer for why 12 volts what happened to cause that it's probably on the atx power supply design guide i bet they talk about it though that'd be something patrick stone would be good for that one i can get him to look at that for the powerslide piece too hardware unboxed posted in chat and said can you give me a free graphics card you know hub uh something tells me and i'm not sure what it is that you probably have a lot of those and um i'm not sure just i something's coming to my mind maybe i'm like a psychic something about benchmarking 48 gpus in some game i i just i can see i can literally see it so i think you probably have enough but if you really need one i will i'll send you this uh how's is that okay can i send you this thing i don't want to reassemble it so if i could that would be great thanks i'll just put all the parts in a box loose when when you receive it you can shake it and it'll sound like a broken christmas ornament okay that's gonna be it for the super chats um all right i i see two more came through but i want to just hi steve back to uc from leon kiram what are your thoughts on articles about nvidia's releases being generated i'm not sure what that question means i don't know what that release is being generated sorry uh that's gonna be it though thank you for watching i'm glad the test stream seemed to have gone okay it's fun disassembling stuff fun hanging out with chad and um end of the night the discount code on the store will expire that was just send help for 10 off for the store uh through about 11 59 pm or so eastern and uh i actually just got an order from sam from parkville who picked up a volt modmet so thank you sam all right that's gonna be it thanks for watching we'll see you all next time

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Length: 145min 26sec (8726 seconds)

Published: Fri Aug 13 2021