Linus Tech Tips Linux Challenge Part 1 - Linux Vet REACTS

all right so as promised i'm gonna do the part one of the linus tech tips linux daily driver challenge and uh i think i got the mic working properly for this one because everybody was complaining about it only being in one channel for the last video can't be having that can't be giving linux a bad name so it seemed to have been a hardware thing not a linux thing so but let's go i'm going to pause it when i want to talk and we'll take it from there to celebrate the exciting launch of windows 11 luke and i are challenging each other to ditch windows all together and replace our windows pcs with linux for a month and if either of us caves they have to dye their hair in red green blue and yellow quadrants permanently sorry for pausing there permanently oh does he mean like forever forever or does he mean just like until somebody shaves it off that's my question so easy you might say but i'm not talking about our work machines that are basically just used for word processing and web browsing i'm talking about our personal rigs the ones we both use on a daily basis primarily for gaming has linux gotten to the point where it's user friendly enough that any tech nerd can pick it up and run is game compatibility going to be an instant deal breaker will any of my other applications even run who would sponsor this madness instantly see your current and past network activity detect malware never actually just fast forward the uh the sponsor but one thing that i got flack for in the uh part two review which is actually part one of my reviews is that i didn't look at it from a perspective of somebody that's coming over to linux for specifically gaming and i get that a lot of the comments were kind of like hey is a gamer going to open up a command line to run a script no probably not you guys are correct about that so i will come at it from a slightly different perspective for this video and but yeah let's let's take it from there [Music] embarrassingly i have never actually made an earnest attempt to daily drive linux and one of the reasons for that is the utterly paralyzing number of choices you have to make before you even get started he makes a valid point in that there's a lot of distributions to choose from however when you kind of get away from the nuance of it all linux is linux you may have different repositories and package managers and how things work and but really when you get down to the core of things they all operate very similarly as somebody that was starting in my journey down the linux rabbit hole though i could see why this is a difficult decision um you have like i actually don't know how many distributions there are there's probably like thousands now but there's the mainstream ones that have pretty good support and pretty big communities around them that's usually what i recommend people go look at first i don't install i wouldn't recommend installing gen2 as your first go at linux nor would i encourage installing art or something like that but if you can use ubuntu or something like manjaro which is very very well tailored to a new user those are some things that i i usually point people towards now i could just call on industry contacts or even use internal resources to make these decisions for me but the point of this challenge is that luke and i should be using the exact same resources that anyone else would have and with that in mind right out of the gate i would forgive the average gamer for making it as far as google hit number one for best linux distro for gaming and bailing on the entire deal i mean nothing against the author of this article i did pick up some really useful information but it is full of jargon that a non-linux enthusiast couldn't possibly be expected to know not to mention seemingly conflicting information that's a fair point because there is a lot of jargon in this world that could be condensed for new people and i get the confusion how is it that ubuntu can be simultaneously easy to use and beginner friendly and a hassle to set up another big one is that customization gets billed as this major selling point for linux and fair enough if that's your thing but speaking on behalf of normies i don't want a dozen novel ways to do the same thing i want one fast easy one i mean it's horrible when microsoft scatters system settings all over the place i think we all agree on that and so we should all agree that it's horrible when anybody else does it i mean i'm the kind of person who doesn't even rename my video game characters because it makes it a nightmare to look anything up if i get stuck fair points um and i see from my other review that this is one of the things that people wanted me to kind of move towards i love the customization i love the tinker ability but does the average person probably not the average person wants their operating system to just work i get it but does windows and there are a ton of other red flags let's move on to hit number two here this time from tech radar supports several controllers should not be a selling point for a gaming focused product it seems to imply that most of my stuff won't work and included games are not the reason that anyone chooses an operating system how how are these articles so out of touch furthermore the messaging around what makes an individual distro stand out compared to the other ones gets really muddy in some places like the way that these articles are often laid out it sounds like if i choose the one with support for hybrid graphics i'm going to be giving up kernel level gaming optimizations or that if i want broad hardware support that could cost me the customization that i crave but the truth is that that's not the case with a bit of elbow grease the gaming-centric features and tweaks of one distro could be applied to another i think the issue with these articles is they're being written by somebody at a organization that they're essentially like here's your topic for the day go write about it um so their their research is very i would say pretty pretty surface level if you really really want to get into the weeds go into the forums go read you know like the wikis and such that's gonna really give you a better idea go to the the websites watch youtube videos of people that are reviewing these distributions that's probably the better way of doing this than reading these questionable articles but with some exceptions the pantheon user interface for example is specific to elementary os and for a more gaming related example tech radar mentions a feature of gamer os now called camaro s called the camara app that sounds super cool it allows you to easily install and manage non-scene games and even roms for a wide range of retro consoles one thing i'll pause right there though i think that that's more so like a dedicated media computer so if you're going to be using it as almost like a xbox replacement or um i know that there's different roms you can throw on raspberry pi's for doing retro gaming and stuff like that that seems to be more that direction whereas i think that what they're looking for is a general use operating system that is obviously going to be tailored towards a gaming experience except that if i wanted an os that doesn't support multitasking i would invent myself a time machine so that i could go back and use it but wait hold on the chimera app can be used outside of camaros there's even a guide but unless i want to really get into the weeds i'd better stick with something based on arch by the way like manjaro or garuda not that that's going to be my final answer in spite of its spectacularly stupid name pop exclamation mark underscore os topped just about every listicle that i found and legitimately has some compelling selling points like demystifying the notoriously difficult process of getting my nvidia gpu working properly and making installing the apps and tools that i'm going to need to run my windows games a one-click affair with the pop shop it was 10 years ago and i was looking for a challenge manjaro's bleeding-edge approach please forgive the occasional screw-up definitely calls to me and did i mention it's based on arch by the way but the inside jokes um pop os i don't really know anybody personally that uses it but at the same time i have heard very good things with the compatibility for the gaming side of things manjaro i think is a very very good user first user rather distribution i think that that's something that a lot of people could consider as a gateway into linux and it's not a bad one but i want to win this thing without pulling my hair out for a month and papa west looks like a really good vet for that it's ubuntu based so if i really want to get under the hood that's totally an option but the challenge here is play games not get your phd in linux smartassery i on the other hand after a lot of deliberation decided to go with the daring the uncompromising linux mint with the cinnamon desktop environment as for how i think that's going to go honestly i'm pretty confident i've used mint before i daily drove ubuntu the distro it's based on for about two years back in school so i'm not scared of figuring out how to install a gpu driver or use a package manager i'm comfortable getting my hands dirty with grub but that doesn't mean i'm not a little scared of you i'm pretty technical and i work in development every day but hardcore linux chads are absolutely terrifying you scare me i really want this to go well because i still want you to like me when this is all over a lot of things to say about this i think luke's gonna have an easier time than linus uh well obviously seeing part two it seems to be that he is having an easier time um valid point about the community being a little bit unwelcoming i'll leave it at that got my drive ready and windows couldn't possibly have picked a more appropriate time to just bug the crap out it's like it knows what's gonna happen it won't let me click power so it's not just linux obviously i'm not 100 committed to this yet so my plan is to remove my existing ssd from the system it's not a gen 4 drive or anything but i'm not expecting that to matter i mean what am i going to be doing running direct storage ah got them okay that is a good way of actually getting into things taking away your normal hard drive and putting in a cheap replacement to experiment with that's not a bad idea one thing that i mentioned in the comments actually on the other video is i don't really store any files on my computers they are on a nas that i access when i'm at my network or via my vpn and that's how i do it i don't really worry about my computers working themselves because i can go in and get those files and to get a computer running it it just takes my configuration files a simple um re-upload to a new install but a little bit advanced i get it i get it so this is what happened last time my desktop kind of you can see where the wait it's supposed to sort of end but it keeps going and those can go over there so i'm going to right click right below the the mint logo nothing shows up but there's the menu i have seen this before and usually this is on pre-install i could be wrong but if i try to mouse over these i can't select them but if i move my mouse back to below this m there it is i found it okay someone knows has to be right there i was gonna see if i can do an easy fix of just turning off my monitor here to be fair it is not installed yet this is a live boot environment see if it comes back when i turn that there you go tap back on displayport no signal okay i was worried that my thunderbolt connection i used thunderbolt to connect to a dock for my main display was going to cause problems with the installer because there's no drivers installed or anything so i i hooked up my monitor that's here in the server closet but hey there it is just like that that's pretty cool and that actually is of my experience with linux is usually things are just plug and play usually again you guys are gonna make fun of me for the mic from the previous video so my mouse key no move oh wait where to go oh i thought oh wow oh the sensitivity is just so high that i couldn't tell it was there okay then uh yep that's the one here we go full name uh yes just do a quick restart does anybody actually enter their full name though like for all of my systems i just used my my first name i don't know why it prompts you for full name and turn the side monitor off and it's fixed to the bounds of the screen and the mouse problem is solved so just installing directly from the live environment so i do want the multimedia codex it's nice that mint comes with those not every district does i haven't decided which drive to actually put mint on so i'm not entirely sure where it's installing these media codecs but it's doing something okay finish the install it wants me to remove my flash drive got it and then press enter this is our first login and we're there check video drivers i knew i was going to run into that installing mint instead of pop os but that is a challenge i have decided to undertake it should be okay but we'll see later i'm gonna go through this welcome manager first order of business is to get our mouth speed down from over 9000 to something more reasonable that seems more like it also why the hell is this on by default no obvious indication that any of my hardware is not working fully uh even my quantia network card picked up just fine i knew audio was going to be a challenge because i don't think the go xlr has any kind of oh this is interesting oh put hello okay appears to be taking my input right now which is my mic over here presumably and turning it into output i have seen this happen before and pulse audio is not the best thing for fixing this like it's confusing i you keep going through the settings and changing things sometimes like when i first started with linux i was going through and i was um essentially guessing and checking if the audio was working properly because i didn't know what input was what and i get it um hardware compatibility very very decent nowadays like i have a 5900x that i got and after a few months of it being out it was working flawlessly getting it was another story but blah blah blah yep that's definitely it does this work at least okay i've got the sound at least i was looking for a simple way to just list all the hardware connected to the system so that i could verify if my drivers are installed linux apparently doesn't really work like that but i can just install this utility called hard info not exactly a hardware info substitute but it's a lot better than nothing of course i don't want to get too deep into the weeds on any of this for now because the goal today for part one is to pick a distro get it installed and run a game i will definitely need steam failed to install morning you're trying to remove following essential packages what are you talking about i've done nothing with this other than install that hard info thing you know it's hilarious the last time i tried to do anything on ubuntu i ran into this exact same thing i was told it's super simple you just install it no you do not valid point i think that popos fixed this after this video came out because it was kind of a glaring issue um if you read what he's trying to do there you're trying to remove your desktop environment and that's going to uh break your system for like the average person would essentially assume your system's bricked this is stupid apparently this is the solution and i have to type yes the following essential packages will be removed pop desktop uh gnome control center uh gdm3 xorg yeah your let's see what happens here i say in order to install it just as an aside i've never had do as you say as a prompt or do as i say as a prompt so that's i assume that's pretty pretty major and maybe it will install and launch now what is the point of having a nope yeah um hello did my computer just hard reset what i mean to be clear i've seen some broken windows behavior on first install but this is um he break to system he's dead jim okay so we've got the the novu or however that's pronounced open source driver fantastic happy they made that but we are going to try to move to the proprietary nvidia 470 driver install done that's something that i noted in the other video that i did is that the proprietary drivers do seem to work a little bit better for some applications i know people are going to be yelling at me for open source only and blah blah blah but for me running like davinci resolve and such the proprietary drivers seem to be either required at least a year ago when i had installed them and they usually work a little bit better a few more areas last night but i think we're still good genuinely think this is fine yeah nice okay now linux mint also has an update manager a new version update manager is available update it updates and then it finds all the different updates that we need pressing the reset button on my computer did not in fact allow it to come back to life let's try and all the way off and start again not that i think that will do anything different from the reset button man if i managed to completely break this install in 15 minutes that might be a new personal best for me my machine is not even posting now i have plugged the hdmi cable back in here let's see what happens hello hey there we go okay so that's back that's not my phone battery is only like six percent but i'm afraid to turn the camera off now because this ride has been absolutely wild pretty oh hey there we go hello oh wait what did i manage to completely nuke my desktop environment like yes so he's he would have not a very fun time reinstalling the stuff like you could do it but i i think just fresh installing is probably going to be easier solution gui how just logged in and this is what i got ubuntu comes with absolutely no warranty i can see why this was a terrible experience now i will mention he actually is inside the computer like this is still a computer you can still do things but for the average person and i will tailor this review to to that this would be frightening and this would be this would be the end deal they'd be off this in a second and i think that's where i'm gonna have to leave it for tonight because i found this other post saying hey yeah i had this problem this was not easily solvable so that's a fresh install i don't think i'm going with pop os again i mean that was you guys were there for the whole thing that was utterly ridiculous uh continuing to install updates i have turned on my side monitor one minor issue i can't go over there with my mouse because my mouse has to go all the way left and then it's over there so i need to reconfigure the desktops right click yeah i mean that's that's pretty standard procedure even with windows you see that so it doesn't get me there um so yeah we'll figure it out you know what no forget it the wife's still awake so i've got manjaro loaded up here and we're going to take another crack at this puppy to be clear it's entirely possible that i did something completely wrong not knowing what i was doing and i'm responsible for the os getting ripped i just also think that with you guys along for the ride the things that i did were not entirely ridiculous or unreasonable so you can you can be mad at me for breaking it but just at least acknowledge that it could have happened to anyone who's not already fully well-versed in the black arts of linux 3. fair point but if you read what it said i get the average person is not going to know what those programs are so fair points okay hold on a second i didn't manage to catch the boot selector prompt i started complaining about usb devices it feels like the old days doesn't it you know i made a video about our 10 gig nas using emulax cards nine years ago in this very room a lot of memories in this house mixed feelings i'm leaving manjaro went straight into the live boot environment so we're just going to launch the installer and good luck everybody i got wine installed through the software manager i need to get lutress i didn't find lutris in the software manager so i just went to the lutrus website followed the command line stuff and i now have lutress luke's having an easier time which we'll close for now and use later the mint software manager had steam well i selected install it made me put in my password twice and now it's removing it never stopped trying to do that removing thing but i just closed the package manager um clicked onto i'm gonna call start i don't know if it's called start here and steam was sitting right there so i launched it and it seems to be working so maybe we're fine okay sometimes doing this stuff by the command line is easier i know i know i know the average person is not going to do that but at least with the command line you see like what the process is what's going on where things may fail and then you can fix things and see what's going on sweet i'm going to log in i know that the average person's not going to use the command line i'll see you on the other side i just want you guys to be here with me for the experience so that if i completely explode this one you'll at least know why maybe you can leave a know-it-all comment under the video i'm ready i'm ready come at me guys i'm trying here i'm trying well he needs sound anyway microsoft has a very broken setting situation right now but this is worse hey is my game controller picked up just like that oh nice look at that why are the two columns open source and installed does this mean is this proprietary because that's what i think i told it to do x server settings this is my experience with manjaro those things do seem to like like the gamepad seems to just work like plug and play uh keyboard mouse etc seems to work properly keep going uh what is x server x server gonna give it to you what okay all right see this font is normal i don't know what he did with the font in the other video but uh this font is normal it seems to do kind of what we need it to do i'll figure this out later let's get steve let's see if we can get steamed i saw something about steam in that update that made me restart oh steam runtime hello oh we're updating again yeah i thought steam comes pre-installed with manager i could be wrong but no problem okay steam installed no problems i'm going to quickly go to my settings go to steamplay enable steamplay for all other titles and then have i guess we'll do proton 6.3-7 and then i'll go to shader pre-caching and allow background processing of vulcan shaders next we gotta restart see luke seems to know a lot about this stuff i i personally don't but uh like to go into the settings and to enable that stuff that must be windows you have to do that on windows too i i don't know real quick i believe ftl has a native linux version i'm just going to install directly and we're gaming on linux boys there we go i think i'm done the first challenge that wasn't really a challenge that doesn't appear like a very very uh resource-intensive game but i mean fair enough especially we'll run into major challenges down the line library oh yeah oh hey look at that look at that look at that boom linux now the game i've been playing recently is cave story plus is this is this linux just like native freaking let's go boys oh wait my sound still isn't working yeah i still have no sound honestly i'm kind of willing to live with that let's just uh it's on the right and no dice on the controller that may be because he has two monitors going the monitor in this in the uh server closet and this i could be wrong even though it was picked up by the system i guess we need to figure that out now this video ended up a lot longer than i expected the goal was simple install linux and run a game and i managed to screw it up so royally that i'm here hours later still trying to figure it out this is probably everyone's first experience i'm not gonna lie this is a native linux game let's just let's just play it and we're gaming running nice and smooth this is a native game so this is really not that much of a challenge my sound still isn't working still have no idea why that would be but we're gaming and and it seems to have just been a cave story issue because my controller whoop is working just fine can i jump i have another attack yeah there you go hopefully luke had an easier go of it than i did the best part of this whole thing is that we are just getting started a lot of the games that i want to run like supreme commander forged alliance appear to have ways to run them discord looks like there's a way to get it going involves a lot of command line hopefully i won't break my os but step two is getting streaming working both luke and i stream we both need it working if we're gonna run this for a month so uh good luck everybody thanks freshbooks for sponsoring this video yeah it's a good video uh i think that that's more people's first experience with linux is linus side of things luke has some pre-experience so it seems to me that he he's gonna have an easier time throughout the the rest of this challenge but one thing i will mention is that in the other video people are saying come at it from the perspective of somebody that's coming over from windows to linux and wants to solely game doesn't want to work with the command line doesn't want to do any of that i get it um i think that the issue becomes though is that we start looking at windows as this kind of all-powerful like that's what an operating system should be but linux is completely different they're completely different unix versus dos etc um so when you're coming over you have to come over with a little bit of an open mind and say hey like things are going to be different somebody that's just wants to game just wants to set things up and make sure that it runs you're gonna have a little bit more of a challenge than uh than if you were just wanting to run it on windows but that also begets the chicken versus egg question of why aren't we developing games for this platform well where's the users and because there's no users the games so i i love this video series in that i think it's going to encourage a lot of developers to look at these issues and a lot of these developers are not companies a lot of these developers that are making the software to make this stuff run are honest to god people like you and i they're they they love tinkering with hardware and they want to make it so people can run games on these operating systems and i think that this is a very good way of seeing where the bugs are and where um you know where where things fall short so i think that this video series is only going to make this gaming community around linux much stronger and i think that's a good thing so we'll take it into part three when it comes out and thank you guys so much for watching i really appreciate all the comments on the first video i did so here's part two although it's part one but it's part two for me so thanks so much for watching guys and we'll catch you in the next one

Channel: Joshua Blais

Views: 5,630

Keywords: Linus tech tips, linux, reaction, linux gaming, arch, manjaro, ubuntu, mint, LTT, Linux Challenge

Id: mvlCoV9rVkc

Length: 27min 51sec (1671 seconds)

Published: Wed Nov 24 2021