Joe Rogan Experience #1553 - Maynard James Keenan

[Laughter] [Music] oh hello hey bro is this how you're wearing your mask now like this is cool i just forget to bring it with me so if i just like hang it on my nose i just bring it it's the new move yeah people will do that now they will see you and they say one side of the watch miniature schnauzer right here oh you have a cute little dog dude that picture your dog is adorable yeah she's awesome she's up what's her name taking a walk mijo mio yeah she's 15. what is miho stand for uh beauty crest of a wave it's japanese oh okay deadly little miho from uh sin city which one was that she had the the swords oh right from the movie yeah sin city since it was a movie but it was also a comic book comic book yeah was she in the comic book as well i don't know that movie was [ __ ] good man yeah i forgot all about that movie until just now yeah she's named after a deadly little mijo so we were talking about how uh well we didn't talk about how the new puss for album comes out on the 30th i listen to what is available and it sounds awesome there's a lot of layers to that [ __ ] man there's all kinds of sounds coming at you from all over the place yeah matt uh normally what happens with the with our recording process is that i'll have an idea or matt will have an idea which is kind of set down a direction for example like i'll go mandolin drum machine banjo let's just start there and start to see what we can build on this thing and then you have an album like conditions of my parole on this he picked up uh an old fair light and making a fair light actually work nowadays i don't know what a fair light is it's just it's a it's a synthesizer and you've heard it on you know peter gabriel used it art of noise like i think uh yes uh might have used versions like a cinclavio or a fair light um i'm gonna get that wrong and matt's gonna just he's got his face in his palm right now um but uh you know so there's very specific sounds that come out of these and it's there's a learning curve to go with it um but the cool thing is that it kind of it kind of paints you into a sonic corner and then you start layering on that and then of course unconsciously or consciously you start thinking of all the stuff you heard in uh in the 80s you know that that was used on yeah so you start reacting in in that way for those sounds and then you know karina coming in on top of me adding her piece uh and then just that kind of you know that kind of three-way chest that we have going on as a non-musician it's always interesting to see like the way people react to synthesizers synthesizers got to be one of the most polarizing sounds and all of you but obviously it's responsible for some amazing songs absolutely undeniably yeah but for whatever reason people are either love or hate that kind of sound well yeah whenever you know when you have people that are uh like i don't know man i like live music you know totally live music so you're big you know and then you kind of wait come back around go what do you think of craft work oh i love craft work they they put robots on stage and push a button and you pay money to watch like four mannequins it's basically cheese but i love craft work and you know so but it's funny when people don't quite make the connection of they don't know what it is they're saying well it's it becomes almost an ideological thing it's like you're opposed to it because it's a non-cool thing or something yeah yeah do you remember when jump came out and everybody was like what the [ __ ] has happened to van halen if they lost their mind what is this meanwhile one of the biggest [ __ ] songs they've ever put out yeah a massive super blockbuster yeah but some people were just like this is the end well i remember uh living in boston uh we had the classic rock uh station play af or wbcn uh i think it was it might have been bcn what's the other one okay aaf bcn bc i think it was bcn but it was like it was a classic rock channel and this this is 87 uh yeah 88 i was there and uh and i remember people losing their [ __ ] because they tried to play van halen on that station they're like that's not classic rock bro they're like they really were very adamant about like no no no no no van halen his hairband that's like some kind of glam rock thing there were you know bostonians just getting their you know panties and a bunch of van halen on bcn yeah there was a real resistance to hair metal there's hair band music came around and even guns and roses like people put in the hair band category and i'm like boy you're splitting hairs yeah absolutely it's hardly hair band music sweet child of mine and like you know welcome to the jungle i mean these these are [ __ ] great songs it's hard like hair band to me is like i get why people would like it i understand it but it's it's simple it's like it's a piece of candy yes you know whereas like uh you know guns and roses had they put out some fine meals you know some of their some of their songs were you know there were it was one meal but it was a good meal but they were like well crafted pieces whereas you know there's i don't want to name some bands but there's some you know some bands they wear eyelash extensions and [ __ ] crazy hair and bowie bowie he did do yeah that's right you're right good point yeah but nobody's giving him [ __ ] no you can't give him [ __ ] he's well how undeniable is michael jackson that even though people think he most likely did some horrible [ __ ] they still play his music yeah and oddly enough the the fair light is part of uh some of those records sure boom boom boom boom that's all those that's all those uh synthesizers we're talking about when did synthesizers come around like what was the first introduction like when did they hit modern music uh i'm having a brain fart um damn it maybe it'll it'll come okay it's like it's when it's a if there's a specific but there was there was sound manipulation that band started introducing before prior to that right like hendrix started doing weird [ __ ] with pedals and yeah you got a melotron which is like kind of recorded on tape and it's it's looped and you're playing you know the recorded sounds on these but on these looping cassettes but that was still kind of analog and i'm having there's a specific keyboard and i'm bad at that it must be the no worrying 56 bro dude i'm 53. i get it my my brain is my my memory is so inconsistent like sometimes it's amazing and sometimes it's just straight dog [ __ ] like people i've known for 10 years i can't remember the [ __ ] name it doesn't make any sense things that i i know what that thing is and i can't [ __ ] by the way it's good to see george over here george george his name is brian oh we should probably explain what's happened um this almost didn't happen young jamie got the covid young jamie's got a new lady friend and the new lady friend wanted to go to a bar and young jamie was like okay so he went to a bar and bars in texas they do not give a [ __ ] out here they they go outside and they're on a patio and they just drink like there's no covet and they're bumping a bumper with people all partying down and a few days later jamie daddy had a sinus infection he was uh just all stuffed up and felt like [ __ ] only for a day and then the next day started to feel better the day after that he's like i can't be covered he's like i know i have allergies he has allergies and it's ragweed season apparently comes in gets tested and the only one we were concerned with is our our employee jeff our friend jeff and uh jeff was actually fairly close to jamie for a few minutes talking to him um i never got any closer than 20 feet from him and most of the time i was about 30 to 40 feet from as soon as i found because jamie came in first and got tested first and as soon as i found he didn't feel well i stayed the [ __ ] away from him i thought because i was in the room with him maybe i would have to quarantine but the doctor said how close were you and i was like no closer than 20 feet so you don't have to worry about it just get tested every day and so i'm three negative tests in a row so 99.999 sure i'm good but yeah jeff i'm a little worried about so jeff's not here today poor bastard but we almost didn't do it because i thought the protocol was i was going to have to stay up but they would say no they consider close contact uh six feet or closer for more than 15 minutes and you're like really close oh that's kind of close yeah yeah i wonder if you can do you get it from [ __ ] brian you would know yeah absolutely it's liquids that's how i got mine did you wow amazing but you [ __ ] so much how would you know that's how you got i [ __ ] myself oh because you're not sure though [Music] so anyway we pulled it off and we did do it so here we are the other thing that's coming out tomorrow is the tape where apparently rudy giuliani tries to [ __ ] a 15 year old allegedly allegedly allegedly allegedly what's funny is like apparently his take on it and again he's older than us so his memory is probably terrible because it happened quite a while ago that they filmed this his take on it was he was proud that they didn't get him the way they've got other people and the article that i was reading last night it's the death of journalism is so goddamn apparent when you read articles and then you see the actual thing and you go what the [ __ ] did you just write because this is not what it is right this is like these takes on things that are so it's there it's there's so much hyperbole and there's so much exaggeration and bias until we watch it we won't be able to uh yeah so you know tomorrow though but you know you had me at borat so yeah i had borat yeah i mean listen i still think ali g in the house is one of the most underrated comedy films of all time it is good especially if you like weed i wouldn't recommend it this month sober october but when sober october's over oli g in the house i i actually bought a uk version of a vhs player because it was only available on vhs from the uk okay was it uh vhs are you talking about the actual allergy series no it was a movie okay oh yeah that one too but a movie but even even the series wasn't available over here for a long time you had to like do the conversion but he had a movie you're right brian it was a dvd and it was in all regions i had to buy an all regions player and um because like players were limited to like certain regions it was really weird i don't i had that what do you know what the science behind that is uh it's different frequencies i think was pal versus h or ntsc ntsc right and some of them were universal they would play everything yeah some of the the cheaper ones that you could buy like at fry's had like a secret like menu you could switch it back and forth yeah that was the key right it was like a cheaper one yeah yeah so i had to buy one i literally bought a dvd player specifically for this film me and eddie bravo got barbecued and we watched this and could not stop laughing it's a [ __ ] hilarious movie it's really ridiculous so apparently that that comes out tomorrow and rudy giuliani is allegedly trying to [ __ ] a 15 year old but it wasn't really a 15 year old she was in her 20s playing a 15 year old here goes religion speaks out about on borat two controversy calls it hit job over hunter biden campaign how could it be a hit job over the hunter binding campaign if they shot it in july bro there's there's no logic to it right it's just they're just trying to cover their ass i think they have to say that i want to know what the girl looked like because they said she was playing a girl was 15 but i believe she's like 25 or something like that how old is the gal oh jesus christ looking for hunter biden's laptop i guess he was saying he was tucking in his shirt but why would he do that lying on the bed imagine if that was him in your room lying on the bed you'd be like hey man what are you doing unless like you'd have to be a good friend where they were so comfortable they could lie on their bed and adjust their balls you know but if you just met a person and you're lying in the bed with the hand on the johnson yeah with does he have sunglasses on too he looks like he's on coke that's what i think he's he's gotta be he's probably smoking it smoke and coke he's on viagra and this is this girl's touching him too she's checking off his microphone apparently because well maybe he did have the wire tucked because they do talk them down your pants that is true yeah i would like to see the film the footage of it we're gonna tomorrow yeah because if that that's the only thing that does make sense in his defense like if because sometimes they put those things down your pants and you do gotta get in there to get the wire out if he's taking the microphone off yeah i don't know could also i don't know here's my back here like drop it down my jacket and put it on the back here i don't know why he's putting it in his pants true that's true too yeah why would you have it in the front he might have had it in the front pocket so he could sit down um they often do that they'll put the mic in your front pocket as opposed to in your uh back the backer because if you sit down on a chair that thing digs in your back i've had it in my front pocket before but the thing is like the gal see they're being pretty good about not showing her not showing her yeah i want to know like did he know that she was supposed to be 15 or did he just think she was a girl here's the thing if if if she is in her 20s and this is all speculation right if she is in her 20s and she's beautiful the problem is he's gross and he's old and a beautiful girl if she was and we would have to see the footage but if she was being flirtatious like he's he's helpless yeah he's under a spell like a an old [ __ ] up looking dude like that if he thinks like oh my god this might like that might be the last time i'm gonna have a heart attack tonight yeah that a gal who's an attractive young gal decides to uh put a dude in his lawyer a dude in his position has to know that that's coming like that the setup is coming the setup's coming maybe not anymore maybe he forgot like he's old dude yeah you know yeah i mean you got to think not only that but he's been under this tremendous stress of being a top lawyer for the the most [ __ ] up administration in the history of the united states so it's like the just the the legal [ __ ] he's been battling back and forth yeah it's a [ __ ] show it's a [ __ ] show his brain's probably hosed and he's probably in this hotel room going oh the universe is throwing me a bone oh yes yes it is oh yes a big old bone just not for you to chew on the hits never stop it just never stops there's like every time you think well the world's gonna be normal today i mean we've gotten it all out of the way nope no new thing arizona's now spiking in in the supposed uh cases of covet are they yeah they were spiking for a while but it was uh it was young folks and it wasn't an issue it was like young folks were getting it but the deaths were very low you had a bad case right i didn't have a bag yes or no uh a medium badge so it was one of those you know i'm in australia we went out to dinner uh my buddy todd fox and uh chris and uh immediately food didn't taste right but this is now this is all hindsight right i didn't know at the time we didn't know that these are the right things you're looking for like immediately what year was i mean what month was this february february yeah so this is certainly yeah so nobody said you know nobody knew what to tell you uh i immediately was sick then i had to get out an international flight the next morning fly to new zealand oh you're a super spreader yeah i'm a super spreader um you brought it to new zealand i brought it i brought it was it was in me um and i put it in you so we got there i was like four days in the hotel uh because we had four days off before the shows um so i was just drinking water hot showers taking care of myself hot tea uh just trying to get through it and it sucked but it wasn't but you didn't know yet that like what how bad this thing could have been if i didn't know how bad it could have been i would have been freaking out right you'd have probably yeah that's interesting right so we isolated pretty well like i mean i wore them i grabbed a mask you know before i even got on the plane uh because i just instinctually like just having you know friends that are that are you know going to taiwan and going to japan like you just see the mask like okay i'm probably just going to wear the mask so this was pre-awareness of kovid well no that was it was happening but you didn't connect the dots you didn't think you had i asked the gut doctor when i got to new zealand do you think this is co but he's like did you have a fever i'm like i don't remember if i had a fever well then you didn't have coat you don't have covet okay doctors are cocky sometimes yeah so i got through that um we did the i was able to do the show i didn't close my throat down enough to i had would have to cancel um then the next shows were going to be in the northwest how hard was it to sing it was not it was not fun it was not fun so we had to kind of adjust the set around a little bit don't put the hard ones in i got to hawaii to go train with uh luis um and some of the guys there uh chad was a muay thai instructor and i'm starting to do the muay thai and i'm like dude this hurts like i've never my hands have never hurt this bad if i thought maybe i sprained him because right after i recovered in new zealand i went trained in new zealand thinking i'm just going to [ __ ] cut it out you know i'm going to walk it off rub some dirt on it and like it and i felt okay then but when i got the when i finally got to maui i'm like this is not right this hurts i can't [ __ ] do this i thought well maybe i sprained my wrist so months go by they're not healing i'm going through harvest at this point and like nothing's like they're not healing up we should explain harvest winery yeah so getting into the grapes but i finally went to a uh a doctor uh arthritis arthritis doctor and he was like okay so walk me through when you first saw the data and i started walking him through everything he goes you had coven and what what some of the side effects that you find are the are that it you know uh inflammation uh so whatever i guess so it's some kind of a rheumatoid response that alone would be well maybe i'm just 56 and i have arthritis but my blood work was completely clean everywhere else no other issues anywhere else in my body but just the wrists explaining that but i still have to cough so whatever cough i had whatever cough i got in new zealand like every other day i'll have a coughing fit for you know for 10 minutes right coughing up stuff so i have lung damage from uh from it still still yeah still every other day now yeah now um when you train is your cardio diminished yeah how much uh enough to work and it's just my mo well hey my motivation is diminished because i'm like trying to do stuff and my hands hurt still uh not anymore now now that i'm on medication what medication do you put on metha methotrexate you're on meth method i'm smoking meth to get through it um you look great um thank you i lost my mother heads they get sketchy it's these are much easier to push that like second helping away now right no appetite uh but no methotrexate which is not is not fun to be on um but my wrists have cleared up i can now i'm back to you know doing stuff what is methotrexate normally it's like a it's for rheumatoid arthritis but it's all it's basically a chemotherapy oh yeah have you tried cbd i'm on cbd now have you tried cbd without the methyltrexoid stuff no no is that a lot of things that's it goes for about it's like a you know i did i've done it for now 10 weeks i have another five weeks supposedly i'm gonna do but i'm gonna continue the cbd after that what uh how much cbd are you taking a day uh drop a dropper just one yeah i'm taking i take a thousand milligrams a day so it's a high dose but um i find how big is that it's a lot of droppers okay uh it depends on i i use cbdmd and uh i forget i think it's the 1300 milligram dropper i forget how many droppers i have to do it to hit a thousand a day but okay that seems to be the magic number where i have um it's kind of like turf toe but it's from kicking i have uh some some pretty intense pain sometimes in my big toe particularly after a hard heavy bag workout like yesterday i had it pretty bad okay but man i'll take the cbd and now today like i'm i'm bending my toe right now on the ground there's no pain at all okay and it's it's amazing i [ __ ] love it okay i i i love it for so many i love it for anxiety i love it just for for relaxation but i really love it for joint pain i think cbd is just i i can't sing its praises enough i've had so many friends that have had like real joint problems like real pain and then cbd just completely takes it away i've had a friend's dog the dog was having a really hard time walking like walk with a limp he gives the dog cbd and like two hours later the dog's like up and moving around and he's like this is crazy listening to chichen chang records getting high just chilling um dave foley had pretty bad arthritis in his hands to the point where he couldn't straighten his fingers out got on cbd and now his his hands are just mobile again all right yeah stuff's legit it's just that and adjusting the diet or the two main things that's what i noticed this flares up when i like i have more than a glass of wine and some gluten in the in the dinner yeah then it flares up so there's it's connected that goddamn glute there's something about it have you uh but you your restaurant you use heirloom pasta though don't you you were i mean it's it's 50 50. it's it's commercial flour with because we're finding that it's not holding up like you're expecting pasta to hold up in what way and the texture yeah just texture doesn't hold so we're bluing a blend of the heirloom along with uh commercial that's interesting it doesn't hold up but in italy they use the heirloom wheat right no not necessarily no they're getting a lot of arizona there's a lot of arizona wheat in uh the stuff you get from italy really because the commodity that hard winter wheat that we grow is a great blender in and because they bring all the wheat they get it together and they send it to italy they blend it they pick their their mix and they blend it so they actually sell our wheat back to us in the form of a great italian flour but it's actually grown in the united states that's interesting when i go over there even though he passed almost every day when i used to be able to go over there i didn't get bloated but if i eat pasta here i just get thick well there's so many other little things that are going on around it right so you're probably over there you know for most for the average traveler you're in a foreign country it's magical you're you're walking around more uh you're you know there's lots of stairs uh you're eating dinner probably earlier in the day or whatever but you're still walking around your activity and your activities are increased and the wines you're having are probably nicer quality wines so all that stuff ends up being a better experience for you so your body's not reacting over here you're like maybe i won't go for the walk um maybe i'll drink more than i should i like what you're saying but no not me all right over here i work out like a [ __ ] terrorist and over there i barely work out at all i'm getting hammered every day i'm eating i'm eating until i literally can't stick another ravioli in my face no that's not what's going on right i don't know what's going on i'm definitely walking around quite a bit you know but i work out i mean i'm just always doing something here yeah i don't know so and you know um i don't know i don't know what the difference is honestly um because i had always thought it was an heirloom wheat and like there's a type of wheat you would know this what is the zero zero like what is that yeah zero uh typo zero zero so it's uh on the on the bag it actually says uh typo tipo and then a zero zero and that's a very uh fine ground uh white flower and you normally for passage you're blending that with semolina flour so it's usually about a two thirds to one third uh ratio and semolina is the arizona hardy no no assembly is just another uh another version of what you know what you're you're putting in that pasta to make those glutens stick together and so that's to give it like a bite so it helps yeah chew to it yeah um because there's a i don't remember the brand but i buy this uh particular spaghetti that's just god damn delicious and it's from italy and it's that zero zero okay flour and it's just such a good pasta and that has a better effect on me than if i buy like a standard american brand well you know that if yeah so if you're if you're buying dried pasta in the states and making your your food out of the dried pasta you probably have a lot better results if you actually made your own fresh flour pasta offshore right yeah yeah yeah fresh pasta is the [ __ ] there's it's such a different taste right yeah like pastas i like pasta period but fresh pasta like uh have you ever been to felix in venice no good lord next time you're there i brought you stuff what would you bring your stuff what'd you bring felix in venice we'll start a must-go-to restaurant we're going to get to this other one in a minute but uh shout out to you remember janet you heard me talk about todd but tom fox yeah so he just wrote this is another book he just wrote uh for it's like personal protection family uh production book awesome we'll get to that in a minute okay but i brought you you come prepared oh yeah you don't [ __ ] around you have t-shirts yep look that looks like a cooler is that a cooler yeah this is your cooler these are your t-shirts um but i brought you our olives all right olives a couple a couple wine glasses i realize at this studio we don't have your tarantula hawk that's at the old studio we must bring it back i'm leaving we will have to leave it do not worry what is this what are these beverages cider is this alcoholic yep right now i know you have to wait it's november i have um so uh sparkling cider sparkling mead uh sparkling white wine sparkling mead yeah is it made with honey yeah whoa i've never had that no you will what is that like i always read about that in the conan books it's it's great it makes you want to you know uh crush your enemies um you know crush your enemies see them jumping before you yeah the laminations of the women and the women now are these things that you are making yeah these are all oh these are poster for wine uh plus for wine have you when did you start doing that beers and a couple of needs a year and a half ago really yeah what was the motivation behind that i mean you weren't um just enough with your [ __ ] wine conveniences in your restaurants and your music and your three bands and your all right with jesus i got bored uh so i decided to take it up a notch uh yeah you're yeah you're a little [ __ ] workaholic my friend oh yeah so that's for you thank you very much over here for you so fantastic i will send a photograph when i'm drinking it on november 1st because this is for your marijuana cigarettes oh dude uh you won't be able to fit your bongs your bongs in here don't use the bongs anymore the long bong won't fit oh that's a dope box but this is this is for your marijuana cigarettes or your or your mushrooms as it were that's a legit lunch box yeah i had a lunch box my last lunch box i had was in the uh seventh grade eighth grade seventh grade or eighth grade i moved to a bad neighborhood and i realized you can't wear lunch you can't bring lunch boxes to school or kids uh get very upset with you so this is this is for you as well this is todd's new book um uh protection uh formed from humanity and i'll let you read up on that from yeah so he's the one that got me into doing the muay thai stuff and now for his book he's actually this is kind of his promotional item he's doing with the book is [ __ ] gloves he's making his own gloves yeah he's having having them made i'm sure who makes these for them i don't know find out oh okay nice you like these yeah now you've only been doing muay thai for how long now not even a year and no problems with the hip because you've no i mean there's a there's a weird shift that happens in the hip i got one of those little uh hammer thingies you know the little electric uh massager things yeah so uh that's weird right no those are good there are guns uh yeah so yeah so what happens is if i go a little too far what's happening is my my hip joint kind of just shifts forward a little bit and starts pinching something and i'll just stand on my left foot use that hammer on the hip done we're fine robot get back to work kind of a cyborg now kind of a cyborg a little bit now did they give you a full hip replacement or is it just a resurfacing full hip wow yeah what is the like john wayne parr just got a hip resurfacing and there's videos of him 12 weeks after surgery kicking the pads now for they were telling me like i can't remember specifically but i want to say it was three months before i actually got back on the mats they were like you're not going to want to do that for six months but you can probably start getting back and doing some things in three months that's 12 weeks and of course nine weeks you're going to get a little itchy and you want to get out there and do stuff so yeah so you slowly moved around a little bit yeah if you're doing just some bit some basic positional drills and just doing that kind of stuff you're fine but you know sparring is a you know then your heavy loads and you're being a dumb ass yeah it's um it's the one where they they hack off the top of the hip bone they put a fake top and then they screw it deep into the bone and that kind of has to stay with you forever yep because they can't really do that again right nope that's it yikes done but i have a weapon so if something happens as long as i can balance on one foot you pull that out i can pull this thing out it's like a big blade in the middle of my bone and i can jam it into your juggler right look at those canes that turn into a sword yes or umbrellas i don't recommend them the the pain that you must have been in to agree to do that had to be pretty goddamn suspicious yeah well the guy said like and it was a lot of stomping on stage that i pretty much damaged my right hip not my left because i did a lot of stomping with my right foot did you feel pain while you were stomping no it was like you know years late that's like you know a decade or more of doing that and then i just thought that i was being a wimp um that i wasn't you know healing or i was didn't push through it or whatever or i wasn't working out enough uh but when they actually got in there like dude you have like a gobstopper for a hip so you're it's there's no padding there's nothing it's it looks it's like a mangled chunk of promise all of the gone yeah gone it was just like all the cartilage chewed up yeah yeah so there was no possible uh hope for stem cells no they were like they're like don't they just take that off the table it was it was like that was you've had this like this for seven years minimum the amount of damage that was on the on the on the ball joint they were like this is we're not we're surprised you weren't in here sooner really yeah and were you limping at all when you were walking yeah you know it would just all of a sudden fire off and i couldn't because i remember you saying you were doing drills and you couldn't move your hip right and you thought like you had like a hip impingement or something no it was just it was i didn't have a hip yeah good times michael bisping just got both of his knees replaced ouch he's like 43 i believe yeah i don't think he's much older than that but he's had some some monsters kicking them so you know there's that but it's also running he runs a lot okay yeah i ran in high school he runs on the concrete i believe now i don't know where he runs but i know he's got a love of running they have concrete in a lot of places so it could be anywhere could be it could be anywhere else yes but uh you know when you see a guy who's in his early 40s getting his knees completely replaced yeah that's terrifying so what do you think went on with um is there something similar with bone structure and and those kind of replacements that happen with silva's anderson silva's shin was just like no he just battered just checked like why when weidman checked it he most likely cracked it on the first one and then the second one he threw it again and just snapped it in half because but i mean after so after he healed and then he went back out and he started having some leg problems and like a year later even though it was healed like it was just wasn't healed enough it takes a long time to heal a fracture like that when a bone snaps now if you remember frank mir when frank mirror got hit by a car he was on his motorcycle he got hit by a car he was not the same for years he tried to fight again i think it was like a year and a half-ish later after the accident he wasn't the same it took it took quite a long time for the old frank and maybe you know you'd have to ask him maybe he never really was the same again but uh just something about leg bones when they snap first of all you got to think you can't put any weight on them for a long time so you've got all this atrophy so all the tissue around it atrophies right and that's got to rebuild so you got to rebuild that while you're also trying to make sure that the bone is fully recovered and while you're pushing it who knows what kind of damage you're going to do to the tendons and the ligaments and you know it takes a long time unless you're doing some [ __ ] unless you're on some steroids it takes a long time to build that muscle back up as well so there's a lot going on there which is you know in a way it's the not the opposite but uh for the hip replacement they had us walking like within an hour right just to make sure you wake up yeah that is a weird one graham hancock was in here uh not here the other place six weeks after a hip replacement and he was walking around and i was like that is you're walking like normal this is crazy yeah yeah they just make sure you start walking to make sure that you minimize the amount of atrophy yeah he i know anderson got his knee blown out i think it was jared cannoneer in that fight yeah but cannon near hit so [ __ ] hard that could have happened at any point in time in his career you know right it's amazing more guys don't have their knees blown out by leg kicks you know you know now doing muay thai like someone kicks your leg like i'm sure i don't know uh anthony harding over at the uh that guy's terrified jesus dude we've got we got video of like some dude going seriously just just kick my leg i want to see what this this is all about and anthony's like you don't want that seriously kick my leg kick it like guy crying he's on the ground crying auntie's like you [ __ ] ask me to do that i don't know what you he's so big yeah hard hank was big for a heavyweight i mean he's a thick [ __ ] dutchman yeah you know conk yeah those those shins to the thigh it's uh it's one of the most underrated pains yeah it's terrifying to ask a guy to do that so yeah you know i'm gonna can i'm gonna pursue that a little bit just i'm not gonna ever use it for anything but um i just like i just like that next level of awareness of striking awareness yeah but the one thing i haven't done is i haven't gotten with an instructor to go just teach me how to not get hit like just that just that awareness of seeing what's coming and under starting to understand the sequence of events that are going to lead up to that strike then you have a course in the ufc of unconventional strikers that are going to come at you from angles you didn't expect but in general just and not really because i want to get in a fight just because i want to have that extra part of my brain exercised to under just to action reaction i know it's funny like if you say i want to learn how to play piano someone doesn't say what are you going to play in concerts they don't say that but if you say i want to learn muay thai like oh you're going to fight yeah tomorrow like to learn it it's a it's a skill yeah it's like you know i'd like to learn how to do a backhand spring i'd like to learn how to do a lot of things right just seems like a cool thing to learn but that's one of those things if you if you even say you want to learn it people like right why do you want to learn that what are you are you going to fight people right like no it's an interesting thing first of all it's cool right you know and it's an interesting thing to know but so your coach doesn't work with you and really i don't really have a coach at the moment because it was just todd was kind of he and i were the ones going around the world and training with insane instructors uh really good really good coaches so you get oh so he's a practitioner but he's not a coach well uh todd's a black you know black belt under rodrigo vaji for uh brazilian jiu-jitsu but he and i caught the well he got the bug before i caught the bug he cut he made me catch the bug um so you know with his connections traveling all the time as he did uh he would have insane instructors and then this instructor would introduce you to that instructor when you go into that town so we had great it was really cool to to meet these people but the problem that i was having was you know when you're trying to have carlos condit teach you how to do something he's like four feet taller than i am and like it doesn't what he does isn't necessarily going to translate to me so you could see him struggling to go how do i explain this to you as a [ __ ] like how do you how do i how to make this work for you because it works for me because i have length and i have an entire history of of being you know well a lot of the ties are very short you know yeah so that's why i love when you get to like some place like new zealand it has short people beating [ __ ] up that's great so you know they're and they're my height so i got a lot more out of uh out of that stuff in in australia new zealand have you been to thailand no have not yet been that would be a move once everything opens up go there and do some training there there's a lot of people that go to phuket because they have it set up where you know you could stay there you could train there and uh one of my business managers went there he spent six days there just just doing nothing but training and just enjoying it was going there and working out with like real tie coaches every day guys barely speak english yeah they've had 300 fights and they'll show you how to do everything old school thai you know classic muay thai stamps we did i think we did that in copenhagen we went to an awesome gym there this guy barely spoke english but he's he was he could still instruct you because you know he's pointing and grunting yeah well also you mirror you know you see how they do it you know they'll say look look look and then they'll do it you're like okay right but you feel so dumb when you when you watch someone who's like really good at muay thai like there's it's so effortless you know it's so graceful it's a really interesting art form you know because there's really only a few kicks like they they just got it down to mostly roundhouse kicks a couple of side kicks teeps you know front kicks and that's about it everything else is like they unless they're going to do a cartwheel kick or some sanchi [ __ ] they're learning that from other people or just playing around having fun but the art itself when it comes down to the kicking but because they have that they they've got it down to like this smoothness and the efficiency yeah the part that's really eluded me is that because i don't have enough hours in doing it i don't i don't really have the like you know french had the liaison of this words kind of slides into that word that transition of understanding you're not gonna you can't throw that kick because you didn't do the thing before that set you up in the position to be in a position to throw that kick right so that kind of stuff is is very interesting and and complicated and and in a way kind of just i stop i'm like i'm in my head too much going okay wait a minute i always equate it to like a vocabulary if you talk to someone who's very articulate they have a lot of words at their disposal they have a lot they have a deep understanding of how the language works whereas if you talk to a child they can say some things but it's kind of crude and that's how most people are when it comes to martial arts you're in the beginning in particular you're basically like a child you're crude clumsy with your words whereas you talk to a master you know someone like bulla cow or something like that like there's the fluency the the fluidity the efficiency of the movements it's just such a beautiful thing to watch yeah always in the right position you know still like one of my favorites for sure have you ever watched giorgio petrosian fight no oh my god you gotta watch that guy fight he is i may have todd's always it was always sending me videos of dude you got to watch this guy fight so he most likely has sent me videos petrosian at one point in time when he was 23 i think it was 43-0 and uh like some 35 knockouts or something like that by the time he was 23 he'd beaten a shitload of world muay thai champions and if you have the ufc fight pass ufc fight pass is great because it has not just ufc fights but it has a shitload of other promotions including its showtime its showtime goes way back to like the early 2000s like 20 years ago and uh its showtime was the precursor to glory okay i am wearing a glory shirt hey hey um and glory is like the premier kickboxing um event of today right so petrossian i think still fights for glory but um petrosian when he was in his 20s you could catch those on ufc fight pass i just was watching it yesterday in the gym i was watching him when he was 23 and he's probably like probably deep in his 30s now i think he's probably 37 or something like that but he's been around forever and he is just one of the smoothest most elegant fighters to watch but ruthlessly effective but his technique is just perfect he's always in a perfect position and he's a guy if you watch him train constantly drilling just drill drill drill over and over and over again and you know do situational drills and positional drills and so his footwork and everything is all second nature like when the guy comes to him he steps aside left hook right kick and like all these techniques that that flow together so perfectly in a match you could watch them rehearse them over and over there's a ton of videos of on youtube and you know watch him watch him train but okay they call him the doctor because like literally like he it's like he's doing something different than all these other guys are doing and when you're talking like world champions and he was ko in them when he was in his early 20s wild to watch just because it's like i what is he doing different like it's hard to see like if you watch mike tyson in his prime it's pretty obvious what he's doing different you know you watch roy jones jr in his prime pretty obvious faster than everybody ridiculous left hook you're seeing it all with giorgio it's like how is he able to do this to these guys like his understanding of of position of when to be there and when to not be there it's just second to none so and i've so you know the transition we're talking you know that's kind of the part that's always alluded even even with jiu jitsu like those in between when you kind of lose the fight like you know the match kind of uh loses so you know we get we ended up here so um ortega this last fight that ortega did i felt like the the thing that really was like surprising to me was not necessarily that he's like oh now you've trained striking and you're doing really well with the striking it was like those in-between things that he was doing that i was like yes i've never i haven't seen that in most ufc fighters like just that in between thing that he put the glue together to he wasn't leaving any holes there's no holes yeah no no holes yeah it was brilliant it was a masterful performance yeah because that guy the korean zombie uh chan sun jung is very he's dangerous very dangerous and brian neutralized him he neutralized everything and he looked so smooth and professional like everything he was doing looks so good and uh korean zombie said he he doesn't remember anything of the last three rounds doesn't remember them because remember he got hit with that backspin elbow yeah yeah he got ko'd and apparently he was just on autopilot for the rest of the fight doesn't remember he says he's very embarrassed doesn't even remember the fight wow yeah that happens sometimes guys get ko'd and they'll go back to their corner they're like is it the second round it's the fifth round and like it is yeah it's the fifth round come on man you're losing the fight like i am right i thought it just started like they literally don't remember fights and it's because they're they're literally concussed while they're inside the ring luckily there's no you know when we're doing shows i'm not getting bonked so if you lose track of the show and you don't know what song you're on does that happen that's actually a good thing because you're like you're in you're in the zone right you're actually like you've kind of disappeared into that story you wrote you're no longer thinking about the story you wrote you're just you're now just delivering the story unconsciously but consciously or dipped into that [ __ ] for lunch box and got some of that good [ __ ] marijuana cigarettes that will do it there's been many a show where i'm in the middle of a bit going what bit is this yeah it generally just takes a second like oh yeah airplane airplane yeah keep talking keep talking you're good but the um the shows that you do have you ever been in a situation where you're in the middle of a song and you are you're so in the groove that you kind of forget what song it is don't know where i am definitely yeah because you're so in it you're in the middle of it but then you make that mistake of thinking about it or having a memory of like oh like a week ago i [ __ ] this song up and as soon as you have that thought you're like isn't that interesting about live performances yeah well that's kind of why you know that's kind of why you do those yeah that's so this thing we got coming up is not it's it's a we already recorded it uh we've we filmed it um at our cressante uh and what is arkasante arkhasanthi is that uh is this uh insane um uh concrete uh village that was uh uh i'm gonna get his name wrong apollo so so larry look that up buddy um paulo solari apollo uh he's he was a student of uh flank uh frank lloyd wright so he built his uh foundry in the middle of the desert um on your way up to uh flagstaff from phoenix it's kind of off the 17. and it's for what purpose uh for uh bells they make these kind of bell structures and they make you know so there's a kind of a school to you can go attend uh to understand how to do uh foundry work but also concrete just understanding these concrete structures um and uh so it sounds all these locations and there's there's kind of a school there there's uh there's people that come come through and travel um there you go so larry is there an image of this place yeah look up arcosanti a-r-c-o how did you find out about this place oh it's right near my house it's like an hour away how [ __ ] cool is that spot holy [ __ ] man yeah so that's all concrete yeah [ __ ] so you know they're the added pressure like when you're playing live it's just a live show there's pressure because you know you're playing live but there's not a lot of pressure because when it goes by in the next song don't worry about it but when you're playing live in front of a camera and it's going to capture you [ __ ] up that's a lot of pressure so we filmed a couple like two weeks ago we filmed the entire album we did all the songs in these uh in these structures and did you have an outdoor audience is that no it was no audience for because we had to do it we were doing it like mostly at night uh like early rising late rising it was quite it was not easy to do especially you know this thing's supposed to be kind of this integrated with the natural terrain so you've got you've got rattlesnakes and [ __ ] everywhere like it's you're you're living in the desert your your 360 views are the wilderness the hostile and environment so and no audience and then you're saying no and no audience is singing so but it's also hot it's also cold it's also like you're there's like there's black widows and you know so you're you know you're it's it's kind of a not an easy thing to do especially when you're trying to catch the sunrise and you want the song to land right on as the sun's coming up over the horizon like all those kind of things that that uh and it's like you know [ __ ] six am you're like [ __ ] so you were recording as the sun was coming up trying yeah on one song but like then you're you're trying to catch other things with the stars on the other songs and it's all timing and you know am i to get bit dude that sounds i'm super [ __ ] tired and i'm sure it sucked while you were doing that and getting up yeah but the overall product yeah i'm pretty i'm pretty stoked about it and that's so that's what we're doing is that's a that's that's streaming on the same day that the album comes out on the 30th and what's it streaming on uh i don't know what the actual service it is but it's pussyfurlive.com is where you go to get a ticket to see it um and i think it's it's the same one that did um i want to say it's the um it's the same service that mr bungle is doing i think mr bungle shows the day after ours so it's the same service and i don't know that but it's available on the puss for website uh no it's pussyforlive.com it's a separate website is there a link to it on pussify.com uh there should be on the main page but if you just go to post for live.com that's where that takes you there just for performing the new album in its entirety from arcosante in the arizona desert dude that is such a great idea i love it well you know this whole lockdown thing not being able to tour this is our tour this is it so yeah it's been a weird one right and the fact that everybody was like oh you know around june we'll probably be fine not even here it is november almost yeah and i think the big thing like you know kind of circling back is i'm still feeling residual effects of that thing and i feel like there's a bunch of people that that maybe all my i didn't almost die i have friends who almost died yeah as well i was ugly so and then you have people going you guys are apparently i'm being paid to say this eat a dick dude oh you can't pay attention to those people those those people think that 5g is killing babies people are out of their [ __ ] minds there's so much noise out there it's so hard it's so hard to pay attention it's so it's so hard to try to separate um i have two friends that came real close to dying and then i have other friends that shook it off like it was nothing i have a couple of friends that didn't even know they had it they tested positive they said i didn't feel a thing uh jamie was sick for a day and he was convinced it was ragweed yeah um yeah but my friend michael yo he came really close he was in the hospital for quite a long time and uh my friend dr neil reardon he was in the hospital uh it came very close to death a couple times and he you know i think folks that got it early on before they knew how to treat it correctly and what was going on and what to do they got their asses handed to them yeah sure yeah our friend dean his family and i'm gonna get this wrong so i'm sure dean's gonna light me up but i think his wife tested positive the kids tested positive he tested positive i think the parents tested positive then nobody showed any symptoms he showed symptoms on a tuesday finally got into the hospital almost died on a sunday then recovered quickly after because he's in shape he's like mid-40s he does he's a runner like he's he's not out of shape but like there was a touch and go moment where he couldn't speak to you couldn't talk to you on sunday like that so on a tuesday showed symptoms you know not [ __ ] cool at all on a sunday and then came out of it so meanwhile fatso trump 74 years old eating french fries kicks it in the weekend back on the campaign trail looks a hundred times better than biden they got him on steroids and adderall he looks great he looks great i'm thinking about trying adderall now yeah he looks so good it's amazing i saw him give a speech the other day i'm like the guy has never looked better like coveted like literally like he had a hermetic effect yeah and his his body is actually stronger because of covet yeah still a dish bag oh yeah probably more yeah because now he thinks he's immune cocky you have to worry anymore yeah you know now he can go just have people spit in his mouth please and he's fine it's all so weird please do the world doesn't seem real you know it just it seems like uh you have to remind yourself okay this is still real this is the world yeah you know but i think that's kind of what you know you had those good you had those good aunts those good uncles good friends when you're a kid that you kind of learn there's a lot of influence you get from your parents i've you know my dad is is you know my whole world as far as influence a good influence on decision making right but you also have those people around you that you should have around you if they're positive that it should be fairly easy to see right through [ __ ] and get to the core of a good decision it should it should it should but now with this [ __ ] thing oh the phone it's just it's uh it's very strange to think to the information you're getting to make that decision has been picked apart and it's all dopamine dump yeah charged so you can't really it's sensationalized conversations start with an argument mm-hmm i really i really like i really like frosty flakes and if you don't like frosty flakes [ __ ] you let's be racist yeah you must be racist you must be a bigot yeah um i had uh alan levinovitz on the podcast and he uh had a really he's actually working on a a book about this now but it was a series of tweets that he put up about what we're dealing with with social media is the same thing that we're dealing with with processed food processed food with all these preservatives it fills you up it's terrible for you he's like this is processed information this is not how human beings are supposed to process exchange information right you're not supposed to get it in this 280 character form this should be a facial a process you go through to digest the information well it should be people are supposed to talk like this supposed to that's one of the things that people love about podcasting it is a digital thing and you're getting it and it's kind of impersonal in a way but it's also kind of personal because you and i are having a personal moment and it's recorded like we're in front of each other we're looking at each other and this is how people are suppo and we're nice to each other and you know and you say something i consider it we talk and you you get in real time to exchange information back and forth and and see how the other person responds to it and then respond to their response that's how people are supposed to talk man and this twitter thing that people are doing are the most mentally ill people i know spend the most time on twitter and they're they're on it ranting and raving and blaming all these other people for their unhappiness and it's it's so weird to see it's so it's it's like you're watching people self they're self-inflicting themselves with venom yeah that's why i kind of like what's you know one of the things that i noticed when i got into the wine industry is that you have uh all these different walks of life various political bents various religious bents you know just various cultures all kind of coming together in this thing and i don't i don't have in my circle of people i don't i can talk we can all talk to each other and all of those all of those cultures are represented all those political beliefs all those religious beliefs all those things are all represented in all the people that we deal with and we have these civil conversations with each other face to face we're all busting our asses we're all doing a thing there's a puzzle we're trying to solve there's a problem we've encountered that i don't know how to solve and you know how to solve it um i'm trying to build this thing and you're very good at building this thing we're solving puzzles do you have a core common ground yeah yeah we have a core common ground from just just from life we're just we're making a living you have a living and we're just talking we're talking well i was feeling as soon as you go here then when you're anonymous it turns into this [ __ ] ugly fight of polarized mess of like you have to pick a side and it's like yeah you're on the wrong side i'm standing like there's the only thing we're really kind of massaging and trying to work around and picking a side on is weather as mother nature you're just trying to she smacks the [ __ ] out of you and you're trying to [ __ ] navigate it so that she's in charge and uh you are not in charge and so that's the thing about having a common having a common thing that you do like jiu jitsu like if you train jiu jitsu you're gonna have republicans and democrats and progressives and and libertarians they're all going to be training together and you know they'll laugh and smile at disagreements they have because the agreement they have is that jiu jitsu is awesome right so they're in there trying to choke each other and and then the other stuff is like you know i can choke you if i don't agree with you i can just disagree but then i get to choke you but it's just it's not as important as the jiu jitsu you know it's like right somewhere along the line it became a like you have to be on my side or [ __ ] you and that these ideological echo bubbles that people these chambers that people get into it's just it's never before happened where you've had people that can so readily find people that agree with them wholeheartedly and and have full confirmation bias like only only people that are on this side and this that believe these things and this core group and it's real obvious like it's it's real it's cut and dry what they believe and what they want what they see and what they don't and then it's reinforced by cnn and msnbc and fox news and you know all these biased news sources if there is a division i guess that i would make it would be fundamentalism versus [ __ ] chill out ism i don't know it's because people are so you're you're you're far left and you're far right are bumping each other's asses on the other side of the circle they're the same they're they're they're all one [ __ ] stroke away from handmaid's tale and they are burning books together yeah uh telling you what pronouns to use and what religion you're supposed to pick and right all the stuff they're the same person they're the same people and we're in the middle going i i just want some pasta it's super simple super similar and it's all coming together with this pandemic because people are being forced to be locked away you're locking away you're staying away from people so you have less in interaction less actual real contact with people right more digital contact more processed [ __ ] way of communicating with people and then there's the fear and then there's the lack of money because everybody's out of work and then there's all this panic that comes with that and this anger and anxiety and existential angst of the disease itself and the the combination of all these factors together with a [ __ ] douchebag for a president chaos and and no good choices for opponents you know everybody's just voting the people that aren't not voting for trump they're just voting for not trump they're not voting for joe biden like no one's super excited about joe biden they're voting for not trump so you're sitting there like if you're an observer watching this like we gotta get out of here like this this is gonna blow okay i think you know you start to default back to the position of okay well this i'm just gonna step back and just see in my lifetime what what haven't we seen okay well in my lifetime we haven't seen a female black president so if you're voting for biden in a way you have to be a little honest about it you're actually voting for kamala harris because it's very possible she's going to be the next president possible right 100 but is she an awful person is she a bad person she good person i don't know i just know that it's a step forward it's a it's something that hasn't happened before me and i get to be alive when we've when we have a female president well we've never had a nazi president either really would that be a step forward well we already have that oh i don't think he's a nazi he's got a jewish son-in-law he can't be a nazi his son-in-law though is the antichrist have you ever seen him next to damien have you ever seen that's great from the movie we've done it multiple times come on put it up to him and damien from the movie damien the omen you look at the two of them together you're like oh there he is he's the antichrist yeah yeah so it's not like the devil's son it's the devil's son-in-law temple son-in-law that's what it is i like it or maybe he's the devil's son and right trump's son-in-law yeah maybe he's got like there's a he's got the handle maybe he's just a nice guy with great hair and uh a beautiful suit and you're just making it up yeah maybe he's just got really good bone structure and i'm jealous could be that and a beautiful wife that happens to be trump's daughter it may be that maybe i'm just a [ __ ] it could be that but uh so if you see a photo you got a picture of them look at the two of them side next to each other damien the omen the omen god damn it brian you're not that young you should know what the [ __ ] how old are you man you should [ __ ] know who the omen is bro oh yeah look at right the the the fifth photo over yeah just saying that's some yeah come on he's he's actually right now not looking at the camera he's talking to the wolves across the fence right on the other side yeah they're making eye contact yeah yeah i mean delivering a message that literally is straight out of the omen yeah damien the omen jared kushner google those two things together and go to images i've seen it we've pulled it out multiple times on this podcast it's 100 percent accurate jared cushman here watch this i spell cushman images there you go you're going to do there uh images watch this nope who's that guy yeah he's famous is it kushner right yeah we were yeah there's got to be an image of right there down oh yeah down the bottom yeah look come on son i mean that's the omen that's him that is him now go back to the images again and there's one with him it's like a portrait mode with up there right right above that one right above that one yeah click on that so look at trump is blurry look at him the devil he's got his hand right up his puppet ass oh he's like making him say the satan thing we are so close so close so close to the final confrontation just again maybe i'm just being a [ __ ] order some goats blow it on amazon he's a really handsome man with a slender neck and a beautiful wife maybe i should just shut the [ __ ] up maybe maybe it's me man it's probably you probably you no matter who gets in that office they get skewered yeah i was interested to see how what they'd say about bernie i was really hoping we could see what would happen if that guy would get in place that was that was interesting to me what would happen if somebody got in place and said you know what we're going to make college free we're going to completely absolve you of student debt we're going to make medicare for all we're going to raise the minimum wage to 15 an hour all those things that i'm not an economist maybe it wouldn't have worked but i was interested to see i'm like that seems like to be a good use of taxpayer money like if you're going to use taxpayer money and most of them are using it for well the problem now it is if you want if you want to know that scenario you don't have anybody who's going to go okay let's honestly look at it and we're going to present the case for for against uh in the middle like what the possibilities might be you don't have anybody that's going to actually be loud enough to tell you the answer that you're that you're yeah it was only burning and they're like this but as far as like actually somebody breaking it down because if you try to google that what is that information all this shit's going to be in the way talking about you know socialism and and whatever so you don't know i mean i and i'm not necessarily for bernie i'm just saying i don't know because i can't find the the paper that isn't biased to present that argument to me well to me it was pretty shocking that the only people that i was interested at all were blocked out by the system tulsi gabbard bernie sanders andrew yang it was the only people i was interested in and they were completely blackballed and pushed out by the system they're like [ __ ] you so then you know so follow you know normally when you find something out about a history of a place you kind of follow the money to release records so follow follow the follow the reason you know why were they so who's who's blocking them out and why would they be blocking them out and follow that and follow that breadcrumb trail to see why i just want it to be over yeah and i want civil war to be here already so i know how many bullets to buy that's like tuesday roughly it seems like it's coming yeah seems like it's coming but i feel like this is a good place to be first of all this is a very neutral ground because it's a blue spot in a red state it really is yeah yeah in a red room yeah arizona is uh it seems like it's well and on paper and you never know the polls don't mean [ __ ] but if you know they're saying biden's ahead in arizona how's that possible i don't know but like that's a red state because where i'm where i live like that's uh all day long you've got the dude like with the trump flag driving around on the car and it's like i can we just have a coffee can we just talk like no yeah [ __ ] freedom [ __ ] yeah hope for freedom it's just it's it's what can we just how can we not honking [Laughter] yeah and then you're in a fight because you didn't honk like [ __ ] you didn't even [ __ ] hunk for freedom too busy sucking [ __ ] huh yeah like for for enslavement and i suck [ __ ] for enslavement i'm into it some people are into that they want you to tie them up yeah what are you gonna do it's um it's it's a confusing time too because a lot of these states that were red are getting infiltrated by people like me that are abandoning the the blue states they're abandoning california but taking with them their shitty voting habits yeah they're like i'm gonna go to this place with freedom and then just take it all away yeah oh you don't need that many guns and do it what are you gonna do do whatever you want well that doesn't seem right we need some regulation and then yeah it all becomes california yeah that's like you know there are things and it is funny with the business that i'm in there in the alcohol business it's almost it's completely contrary to what you would think about the people who like less government less regulation less all those things like then when it comes to wine and and and you know that kind of thing in arizona it's the com it's very california they're like they want to control everything you're doing they want to know every move you're making there's all these hoops you gotta jump through to get things done uh it's it's fine so in what way uh just just in in the regulation of alcohol and how they interpret you know they're very that's arizona in general yeah and specific brother yeah for for the winemaking there's a lot of hoops we have to jump through as winemakers texas bro you can make wine with a gun they don't give a [ __ ] fredericksburg right out here man it's not far from here yeah they have great wine yeah allegedly i don't know [ __ ] about wine a legend i like your one yeah i don't taste good you're gonna like more of my one oh [ __ ] i like her first i like your wine i just don't know why i like it i did you know uh have you seen sour cream because it's made with love that too have you seen sour grapes the documentary uh no uh yes parts of it i haven't seen the whole i haven't it's pretty amazing that's what i keep hearing it's amazing yeah that this guy made fake wine that was supposed to be these really expensive bottles and duped all these like real one well so when i first heard about the film i was under the impression like i sat next to that guy i was at a i was at a australian consulate wine dinner in beverly hills with peter geigo from penfold sitting next to me and that guy was sitting next what is that guy's name uh sour grapes sour grapes the documentary um ruby no yeah so he so he was i i met that guy sat next to him um i didn't buy any wine from him um luckily but uh but you know i met him so initially i was like you know [ __ ] that guy for like duping all these people but the thing that they're they're basically saying was that yeah that aside yeah he [ __ ] a lot of people up but his ability to do what he was doing to put these wines in bottle and mimic what uh the palette the just the nature the color everything about it and being able to duplicate the the what's in the bottle to the point where it would fool a psalm he was like he's an alchemist like he was really good at like making it he wasn't just like putting wine in a bottle and selling you the bottle like if you opened it and you tasted it you thought you really thought it was that wine you would go that seems like a that seems like not a great version of that wine but that's that wine oh so you could tell that it was slightly off in some cases that's that's did you try any of this one no no no i would want to try it but like they were just saying the guy really was able to uh get close to mimicking the pallets and structures of these wines so that's why what's his name again brian rudy kumar yuma ruby kernowan or here we go it's right here how do you say that kernel one kearney kenya one kenya one rudy kerniawan okay ready interesting so how did this guy do this like if you like if it's such a fine art to create a great wine and i know you i've tried the whole thing is your juice from what he was doing you know and i'm just i'm speculating on this i haven't seen the film but what he was doing was just to fool you right now that wine might not last in that bottle once it's not gonna it's not gonna hold up it's not the structure it's not the structure of wine i mean he was literally putting dirt and things in to create that initial impression so that when you taste it to investigate it okay i think that's what that is and then you write the check and he's like [ __ ] there is a [ __ ] great book that i am in the middle of that you would love that's based on but you're gonna read this one next right yes i'll read that one um it's uh my friend graham hancock wrote the foreword to it and then it's uh brian murrow rescues book and um here let me let me find him it's in my library here it's called the immortality key and whoops and it is all about ancient wine and the uh ancient greeks how they used uh they they put all kinds of note if you don't mind yeah the immortality key this is the um oh there brian's got it right there and it's a really just listen to the podcast the the recent podcast that i did with this guy it's amazing he's a scholar of uh the the greek classics in greek history and he focused on the um what did they call it ellucinian mysteries okay where they would uh they have these rituals where they would all elusives and they would all get together and they would uh have these rituals where they would drink this spiked wine and the wine was they they've proven now the wine was spiked with lsd like components was spiked with ergot and they believe with probably a bunch of other different psychedelics maybe psilocybin maybe a bunch but it was wines that had these psychedelic compounds and they would have these incredible rituals and people would go there and this is like literally like the foundation of western civilization came from these these rituals and then these rituals were forbidden by the roman emperors and then they started doing these rituals outside of uh greek outside of greece and they started doing them in spain and they found images of them doing it in italy and they found a residue of these uh substances in pottery and they've proven that it traveled all over the place but what was fascinating to me is that their wine was never just wine they would put all sorts of different things in the wine and like wine was in that back then was not just simply grapes that were fermented they would add cinnamon and honey and all these different things to the wine which i i thought was really fascinating okay yeah but the the fact that it was the source of their psychedelic rituals was wine all right i'm going to read that yeah watch the podcast okay because it's he's really great at describing it and it's a very condensed thing and then to further go get into the book did you uh did you watch the fantastic funky film i haven't seen that yeah i started watching i was about halfway through um my best been i've been kind of busy joe but but you have 50 jobs i would imagine you're a little and you have a family you don't know the [ __ ] you do it seems well my wife is a [ __ ] badass she's more of a badass than i am and she can she holds a lot of other things down that uh that i wouldn't be able to do without her so we have a nice symbiotic uh energetic relationship yeah if i find someone who is has that many jobs they almost always have an awesome wife yeah she's amazing yeah i couldn't i could not do any of this [ __ ] without her absolutely that's a great thing man have a great team like that because when when i look at this all the things you do are like restaurants wines now you're making mead and then yes i'm going to michigan now to like meet with a couple winemakers there because i'm going to probably put a facility there because my dad's house is there so i'm going to go that's where i'm going at my dad's house well they're trying to kill michigan so it's a good place to go right now literally it's uh the governor's uh making everything fall apart yeah because i'm gonna find out something we can get a land for like a buck i'm gonna fix it do whatever i need to do so we're gonna go i'm gonna make mead cider and possibly wine in michigan i just had a friend came back from michigan he was telling me horror stories hmm no not where i live hey look i can look on my porch and there's like a you know 16 acres of trees you know deer walking through your yard i you're talking about i don't know either i'm just repeating what other people tell them what's fun to do yeah you can pretend you know what you're saying yeah so what part of michigan uh upper uh up right on lake michigan oh nice yeah uh mason county oh so that's pretty rural right yeah what why did you choose that area that's where my dad was a teacher so when i lived when after when i left ohio i went to live with my dad in michigan and that's where he was wrestling coach and uh teacher in western michigan so he built a house uh he and nick tatarchik this big [ __ ] uh he and his sons and my dad built the house that i own now in uh in scotland oh wow so it's that's why i'm going back to check in on the house look at these buildings that we've been looking at uh set up a situation so i have my friend tim white's with me uh in in the car my my winemaking partner so we're gonna we're just exploring a building we're gonna talk to some growers there's definitely cider there i mean there's apples everywhere and i can make mead you know tomorrow because you can get honey what keeps you motivated to constantly do like these new projects another project like this puzzles i just [ __ ] love puzzles like you know physical large scale sculptural and big space puzzles so you think of like almost like constructing a new business or a a warehouse or a factory like this or a creation of a like like an art piece yeah that and also uh watching what we just went through with this lockdown you know we have i have three greenhouses so we were able to feed a bunch of people uh in our in our 100 you know family uh extended family with all the businesses and everything we were able to like provide a little bit of food not not as much as they would need but we certainly saved them at least one or two trips to the grocery store by by providing them pasta you know some of the fresh vegetables a roll of toilet paper you know some soap like that kind of [ __ ] that they just couldn't get at the store we had to go through commercial uh channels to get some of this these materials together that's a severely underrated pleasure to be able to provide for people yeah i mean it's so we were able to do that for over 100 families you know in our in our little circle i want to build i want to build more of that i want to do more that so i think that's awesome so i think in a little town like uh there's all these little towns all over the united states that dried up because they put the bypass in and put the walmart and the home depot out away from the little town beautiful structures you know solid buildings that just dried up so now you're seeing a resurgence of these little towns turning around from what they were to being in these little thriving things and the kind of cornerstone of that stuff is you know food lodging restaurant brewery or winery distillery you know there's there's that little concentration of things old town cottonwood arizona that's a hot spot for wineries even though the vineyards and the winemakers are down in wilcox or sonoya or elgin one of their tasting rooms is in this little old town that was just beat the [ __ ] like 15 years ago you could you could you know pick up the property for you know they'd pay you to take it but now it's like a little thriving metropolis because you have this concentration of restaurants and wineries in this one little spot that's interesting i think people are also starting to be aware of uh the value and having everything you need in close proximity where you're not shipping things in right like it used to be like the idea of bi american was sort of this uh xenophobic so you know semi-racist notion that [ __ ] the rest of the world we're number one but now people going oh but you know what it wouldn't it be great if we can get our medicine here we don't have to rely on boats to come over from china like wouldn't it be wouldn't it be great if uh all the components that we need to make an automobile were actually manufactured and constructed right here wouldn't it be great if a [ __ ] single cell phone was made in america i mean they don't make a goddamn one of them here everything is made in asia i still think you're gonna need you're gonna need to trade the trade routes have to stay open there's things that you can't do well or as well as somebody else in terms of just you know the spice trade was exactly that you couldn't grow that you couldn't grow these spices here you had to get them somewhere else and they were desirable um you know tulips and holland like there's just there's something that's that's wanted and desired by other places and there's things you can do really well for sure but it would be nice to be self-sustainable yes yes like trade is always going to be significant and those end up being those end up being the side dishes that are like the icing on the cake in a way but you should be able to figure out what grows in your area what's sustainable in your area and what you know what you can do to kind of like you don't have to shut your borders off just right just be open to understanding that when the [ __ ] hits the fan you guys kind of have a little self-contained thing that you can weather it yeah that would be nice and this is this is a new feeling like i never i never thought about that before but in the beginning of the lockdown one of the things i was thinking i was like are we going to come to a point where we don't have enough food like how is the food going to get here is our people if they're not working are they going to grow the food what happens if the like the early predictions were terrifying right they're going to lose 2 million americans like everybody was terrified that didn't come to pass but it was a moment where you're like well what if this gets way worse than that even like how are are we going to get to a point where there's no power are we going to get to the po i mean what are we relying on that's not necessarily going to be here when we think about what do we need to sustain ourselves what are we relying on that may or may not be here if the [ __ ] hits the fan and i feel like this was kind of a practice run yes i feel like it's there's another one coming and you're gonna have a [ __ ] ton of people that don't make it because you're like that first one was fake and this one is too cool can i can i get a set of keys to your house those people think it's so strange they're so strange i'm just gonna had a friend a long time ago who had been uh in in iraq and he had taken some uh whatever he had to take for anthrax or whatever and he used to joke like if we get hit with anthrax it's going to affect you it's not going to affect me and i'm just going to tell you now i'm going through your pockets no offense yeah i i think this is a practice run and um i wonder you know i wonder how many people are gonna relax again after this is over because if something really big happens like and this is i and i'm not trying to diminish anybody that lost a loved one or to diminish the significance of this disease the 200 plus thousand people that died in this country but compared to a super volcano compared to a solar flare or an asteroid impact or an entire state on fire yeah well that well that's california two two states now colorado yeah california's lost more than a million acres yeah so you add all these things up and they start to really look like something little pieces yeah so remember how to grow [ __ ] that's all i'm saying yes remember how to grow [ __ ] that'd be very nice and don't go to a place where it doesn't rain because yeah things light on fire a place where it doesn't rain yeah does it rain out in jerome it hasn't rained for a long time but we had so much snow two years ago and this last year that the the snowpack actually fed the gran the water the groundwater so jerome has a decent amount of water this year um it hasn't rained so that's distressing do you here get all your stuff with well water uh yeah it's all we're on spring mountain springs so we have nice yeah so we so and it's all the stuff that's gathered from the snowpack that's coming down through the rocks and now what if during this whole pandemic what about your osteria and like serving it did okay we just we did everything you know whatever the rules were we went above and beyond the rules but we made sure we were providing food we were making sure that we had stuff to serve you and making sure that people got fed what were the rules out there were they because it's not it was we were completely shut down for like six weeks seven weeks and then they said okay if you're if you're serving if you're serving food you have alcohol and you're serving food you can sell the bottles to go you can serve food to go so we did that set the table up did that as soon as they said okay you can be at 50 occupancy okay great so you would so you know separate the tables out and let people come in you know wear your mask on your way to the bathroom just be cool just be cool yeah um and we did okay i mean we're not you know we're definitely down from last year but there's restaurants there's i mean the restaurant industry is [ __ ] hammered i don't know if you've been keeping up on that oh believe me i've had it's adam perry lange and janet's agreement yeah and um you should get bobby stucky in here who who's bobby bobby stucky from frosco food and wine in boulder colorado okay he's he's one of the i see him out there championing like trying to get this funding for the for the small restaurants these people that have these amazing restaurants i was telling you about um um felix felix is in venice they're very lucky that they have this outside area they can set up there and it's they're very fortunate they have that kind of space yeah but so many people do not yeah and they're in la just won't let them open i mean right now they won't let them open at half capacity they won't let them open well you can't survive at hack capacity most restaurants are operating on a 10 margin if they're doing great janet was explaining that when she was in here that's a it's a it's not it's not what you think it's like right the thing that blows my mind though jumping you know several hats here is watching people go i'm just going to get my i'm just going to get my relief money and hang out hey you want a job we have this job we need to do where there's this job that continues to need to be done even with all the shit's going on like we we're still digging holes we're still pulling then i won't get my check okay so let's just be clear so you don't want to do help me do the job you want to get your money okay it's not a lot of money and it's not going to be forever but i'm going to figure out a way to do this job without you and then when you come looking for the job and the money runs out i'm going to say [ __ ] you eat a dick bag of salty dicks or sweet sweet salty whichever chicken you choose your salty uh bag of dicks for you um because we figured out how to do without you we needed you we needed you and then you didn't want to do it no amount of money is going to patch this up like it's where there's a thing we're actually doing we have to tend the vines we have to tend the greenhouse there's things we have to do to get there so you're talking about specific instances in inside of your community oh yeah oh okay i'm not i'm talking about in los angeles or in a big city you get that sort of diffusion of responsibility thing where there's so many people and there's a lot of people that just rather take that check just take it but you're getting that out of employees yeah well used to be yeah yeah we found a way around you but it's funny though some people will be angry at you for that they'll say well why should they risk their lives to work yeah why should you well do you um if you are going to do this with your employees do you give them precautions on how to protect themselves oh absolutely we do the our employees are our first and you know first and foremost our employees are the first consideration keeping them safe so any any policies if i have to take the hit for the policy i'll take the hit for the policy because i'm protecting the employee have you thought about providing them with vitamins and zinc and that kind of thing um we just you know we put them in rubber suits rubbers i'm just kidding i got the divo masks with that um no just you just have you just have policies in place and you you arm them with the the authority to have a person not be able to be in your store if they're not going to respect the constant interaction that that employee has to go through all day long it's the same thing as a in a plane like that that flight attendant had just breathe your cigarette smoke for years and do all of them die of cancer no did some of them get cancer not all of them got cancer not all of them died of cancer but they risked getting that was the argument about bars too right like they should be able to smoke in bars like what about the people that have to work in those bars every day they're exposing that person to that thing that's why you don't not because of you not because of my clothing being stinking like cigarettes no it's because that person is being exposed to that every day and the more they're exposed to it the more they're being put at risk that's your your that responsibility for your fellow human is is that but on the bright side we have been provided with videos of these [ __ ] non-mask protesting douchebags that just scream at walmart and scream at people about the taking away my rights comedy is like the cornucopia of comedies is like billowing out like all year long it's been incredible it's amazing how many people are cutting you off pretty soon i gotta get yeah you gotta you gotta hit your flight um so one more time let's go over the thing it's uh the what is the date of the livestream october october 30th october 30th is is the concert film being streamed online uh uh at puciferlive.com you can get tickets um the album itself is out on the 30th as well you can get you know spotify itunes amazon you can buy it off the plucifer.com website cd vinyl i think the vinyl is all sold out and you have two songs that are available right now the two songs are available right now yeah and uh when it happens we'll put it up on the instagram and let all the folks know um thank you you look i know you're busy as [ __ ] so i really appreciate you taking the time to come here and uh and thank you for all the gifts appreciate it i will read it i'll read it protection you should hold the you should wear the the the boxing gloves while you're reading it and i'm going to keep this lunch box close near and dear to my heart maynard you're a bad [ __ ] i appreciate you brother thank you man thank you goodbye everybody thank you [Music] bye [Music] you

Channel: PowerfulJRE

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Length: 93min 5sec (5585 seconds)

Published: Fri Oct 23 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/lysergicsummerdepths]

Holy shit I can’t believe he actually has redban doing the production this week. Kanye podcast confirmed?

[u/Amida0616]

Maynard "I own a small artisanal Italian trattoria where they feature my wine with homemade pastas"

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REdban: "Have you ever like had the never ending pasta bowl at Olive garden"

[u/Bandsohard]

A wild Redban appeared!

[u/BeginningSeaweed]

This is the only guest that fits thematically in this studio

[u/slightlysolid]

Redban on the controls again, 2020 keeps being 2020 haha

[u/TheJoker00]

Seeing Redban was the biggest twist of all time

[u/bugzjb]

Covid Inoculum.

[u/nautachemist]

Spiral out

[u/RedBeard1967]

Ah yes, Maynard Kennan, the Costco version of the Tool frontman.