Joe Rogan Experience #1562 - Dave Smith

[Laughter] [Music] all day what's up i came in i was uh doing my buddy scott horton show and uh hanging out with him for a little bit and uh and you're looking for a place to escape yeah exactly new york uh schultz told me that new york is like they just won world war three people are dancing in the streets i i was there um in union square the other day we did a show at the stand and it was the day they called it for for biden and uh as much as i just despised joe biden and kamala harris it was kind of nice for the city to just have one yeah just to have a day it's the only day that it's it's felt happy there since march here too people are honking in the streets i went to dinner with tom tsuguri he was in town and we were driving on the streets people were honking and cheering and people are so happy i'm happy for people to be happy yeah i like that even if they're happy for a stupid reason well you're like at least be happy it's just it's too complicated and you're a guy who knows a lot about politics and in the way the world works but it's too complicated to really go into depth about it for most people so so many people just have this sort of cursory understanding of politics and then they follow a narrative the narrative is trump is bad you get him out biden's good and then you go yeah what about the crime bill what about the iraq war what about this what about what she did nobody wants to hear it nobody wants to hear it all they want to say is that the good guys won now we're going to go back to being america again [Music] and then pfizer announces a new vaccine well it would be nice if we could go back to being america again i think we're still far off from that happening but you're you're right that i think most people and this is it's not just politics it's true with everything in life like most people have expertise in very limited areas um and for everything else you're kind of just trusting what somebody else tells you yeah it's uh and especially with politics it's so i know very little about it even though i've read a lot about it i'm still i'm like what is all this you know there's some [ __ ] going on and you know there's a lot of special interests and there's a lot of money and there's a lot of shenanigans but it's like to really know how this stuff works to really understand lobbyists to really understand how bills get passed to really understand congress to really understand the senate like you got a deep dive for years yeah and then you still don't know a lot of it i mean you know you can go based off say like what's been declassified that the cia has been doing but what do we not know i mean and there's there's a whole lot that we don't know but i think we know enough to go to know that it stinks that there's a lot of corruption and in many ways i think that's what trump at least the people who support trump saw him as as the guy who was outside that system who was kind of fighting for them not saying that's the truth right but i think that's what a lot of trump supporters saw in him yeah that was the simplistic comic book version of what trump was to them is like and that's where like that q and stuff all comes in and you know people thinking that it's really like this plot to stop child molesters and yeah well and and the the system is always corrupt enough to give cover to the wildest conspiracy theory because they are already like you could say okay well perhaps you know q anon conspiracy theorists believe some really crazy [ __ ] but then you just go but look at what happened with this jeffrey epstein guy i mean there really was this child sex trafficking ring that that was covered up i mean we have that woman on abc news who was basically saying i broke the story and my boss told me no i think it was nbc was it nbc yeah we broke the story but you know they wanted to protect uh access to the royal family so we would let a powerful multi-millionaire or billionaire child sex trafficking ring leader go skate because we wanted access to the royal family what the [ __ ] dude that how about that video where the interview where princess and prince andrew it's andrew right princess andrew prince i misgendered him i'm so sorry prince andrew is uh on television with that lady and they're asking him questions about whether or not he was there and what happened and you could see this look in his face like he's never really been questioned before he the fact that he agreed to do is so weird like it's almost like he doesn't understand what a trap is like i've never been trapped before i'm a royal yeah is he a royal anymore did they kick him out something happen i'm not sure i'm not sure they can kick you out yeah they can they kicked out the uh the dude who hooked up with the actress yeah he he wanted to be i think he left i think he left too but he wanted to go back for something they go nah son you're done wasn't this something recent jamie when there's some weird which one's he harry or is that a harry potter am i thinking of harry potter i think you're right it's harry yeah i think you confuse me with the harry potter i just think it's [ __ ] so preposterous that we literally don't know anything that guy's done other than that he's a prince prince harry saddened and disappointed that his request for remembrance day wreath was denied oh no the duke of sussex you know we spend a lot of time uh look at that name sussex yeah was saddened and disappointed at the decision to snub his request for wreath to be laid out at the national memorial in london man the level of suffering that he must go through to not get his royal wreath yeah did not attend yeah wonder why yeah i don't think they let him decorated war hero what prince andrew's decorated war hero what did he do that's news to me i pressed buttons that led to victory yeah i have a feeling the prince wasn't on the front line they weren't just like throwing him out he's a royal navy helicopter pilot in the war with argentina to recapture the falkland islands in the 1980s and returned as a hero huh i didn't even know there was a war with argentina nevada 1980s oh i remember the falkland islands i remember the name yeah this smells like [ __ ] to me i don't believe he's a war hero for a second i'm a war hero and a royal i demand a 16 year old girl well when you say it like that i mean all right we'll see what we can get you it's just amazing that that epstein guy roped so many people into that [ __ ] it's real weird man it's real weird when something that creepy turns out to be true yeah and it's very revealing i mean it's like so if you had an honest press you know if they weren't every bit as corrupt as those conspiracy theorists think they are you would think that the fact that say like a former president was on his flight logs would have led to a huge scandal where they would really want to get to the bottom of that you would think right now they'd still want to get to the bottom of that like hey who else was involved in this what did no okay he was on his plane we don't know that that means that bill clinton was involved in in the worst aspects of it but you would think the the press would at least want to find that out and there's very little interest no because the press goes after bill clinton then hillary clinton gets somehow another connected to it and then that could sink joe biden and kamala harris and that's bad for the people that hate donald trump well that's jeffrey yeah that's for zombie matches to be demolished oh my god local real estate developer says he's in contract to buy the waterfront estate and his plan to knock it down and build a new home that's the smart move 22 million dollar house oh [ __ ] yeah well it's expensive down there meanwhile it's gonna be underwater in like five years according to al gore right but i also already left it to a christian group which i was trying to find too especially i don't know which one of those two stories this is in the wall street journal so i believe that over the he left it to someone do you think they just have to knock it down just because it's his so they kind of have to yeah do you think it'd be awkward if there was like part of it they wanted to keep when i was looking at real estate in boulder the house where the little girl was killed what is her name the little girl who's in the uh jonbenet ramsay that house has been for sale forever they can't sell it i think they even changed the address they might have even changed the name of the street trying to sell it and they just couldn't sell it because i remember we were looking at it like this house is nice like why is it so cheap it's one of those deals and then you find out you're like oh [ __ ] because if you can afford a nice house you'd probably prefer not the one that a little girl was killed in nobody wants that house yeah nobody wants a house they're gonna do it the one in new york it says it's listed at 88 million i'm gonna buy it i'm moving to new york moving this show to new york i'm buying it as long as it comes to the painting of bill clinton in the blue dress i've heard it's it's set up with a lot of equipment so we should be able to do it okay let's go oh yeah it streams right to the cia you don't even you don't even have to get them to watch you on youtube they get a they get a live feed yeah i'm gonna buy that house all right [ __ ] it let's do it why not it's pretty epic it's probably a really good investment probably worth 89 million eventually yeah and then 70 or something so it's already gone up and then if you try to sell it it'll be like oh this was joe rogan's place it'll it won't have that epstein you know stink on it anyway right i think it's a good move i suppose my guy see if i can make it happen i wouldn't buy a [ __ ] newsstand in new york city i don't believe in new york city anymore i don't i think that de blasio guys ruined that place for a solid 10 years yeah i think you're right i think we got the fans on here right i could smoke the cigar uh they were i'll go double check okay yeah it says it's for sale right now gargantuan new york city mansion home to epstein horrors oh you can rent it thirty thousand dollars a month yeah bam that's what we need to do we need to just rent it could do a month of podcast you know what we should do we should fill it up with homeless people then leave just rent it and just let it let homeless people live there just tell tell them we want one room to do the podcast and then we'll have security that make sure the homeless people don't go in that room everything else you do whatever you want that now that actually sounds like a bill de blasio plan that you're putting into effect that's more or less aggressive yeah it's progressive yeah there you go imagine we did that they'd probably give you a freaking medal bill de blasio would probably celebrate you for doing that you know that's not his real name yeah i do know that german name uh-huh yeah yeah he's very very weird guy oh he's a weirdo um and really uh committed to his weird ideology that he wants uh you know like to uh not just when things get back to normal they can't get back to the regular normal it's got to be this uh more you know inclusive normal and so he's taken it upon himself that he's going to try to remake new york city uh in his progressive image uh while the city's going through the worst year it's it's been through in my lifetime he's an odd duck i don't know how he got there i don't obviously i don't live there so i don't understand it but um new york city um tell me if this is true but i'm pretty sure jamie that one percent of the people in new york city pay 50 of the taxes that sounds reasonable yeah the fact that you could piss those people off and still be mayor is hilarious yeah like how does well they still only get one vote each so you know that's kind of the way it works that's cute well you just said it's cute like it really works that way it's just one person one vote that's it no one has any additional influence at all well no but i'm just saying that if you can win elections by playing to tell the other bit to other people and also that you know some of those people kind of like the progressive right look at this look at this statistic it's bananas the highest earning one percent of new york city residents generated 43 of the city income taxes and 51 percent of the new york state income taxes collected from individuals living in the city as of 2016. that's crazy so much money and then you hear all this stuff about paying your fair share and it's like so where exactly does that come in is that not enough well it's like la right it's like a lot of people felt like even though the taxes were exorbitant it was worth it because l.a pre-coveted was pretty badass you know the comedy store with for us like obviously i'm comedy centric but the comedy store was open the restaurants restaurants were amazing there's so much so many things to do you know it's just yeah it's crowded yeah but the people are cool as [ __ ] it's like there's a lot of good things and then as soon as covet hit everybody was like why are we here yeah like why am i paying so much and then they start talking about raising the taxes to 16 plus 16 plus percent state taxes that's more than i give my agent yeah right you imagine yeah it's crazy well and it's i think that also happened i think even more so in new york um because when the you know like new york it's the same thing it's like well it's expensive you pay a ton for your rent or or to own or whatever but you know it's like the best museums the best nightlife the best food the best all these things but then all of a sudden when the lockdowns hit now people are like locked down in a one-bedroom apartment that they could get a house for yeah you know anywhere else in the country and a lot of people started to re-question why am i here and people started looking real pale a lot of my friends that lived there they would go out very rarely and when you see them they'd be like real sunken in and like that is the worst look for your immune system because i mean you're not getting any vitamin d yeah you're not out there at all oh that's the terrible irony of this whole thing right is that it really ended up [ __ ] over so many people's immune systems because the worst thing you could do like the best thing you could do for covid is is have your immune system in good shape yeah and the worst thing you could do for your immune system is like stay inside all day be in a constant state of anxiety don't get sun don't get fresh air eat like [ __ ] drink too much you know it's everything and have no money yeah right because you're out of work so the incredible pressure on you yeah and we'll i mean we may never know exactly what the total human cost of all of that was but we'll we'll get more of a sense of it over the next few years yeah it's it's sort of a disingenuous argument because they're comparing the total cost of the lockdown to the lost lives because of the pandemic the problem is if there wasn't a lockdown the loss of lives would be far greater and so you're comparing it to a different thing well you know because it sure shouldn't lock down no one should have ever locked down but if they didn't lock down how many more people would have died it's a real good question no it's it's very it's a lot of people like to make this a simplistic calculation and it's an enormously complicated one because there's many different variables on both sides so how many lives were saved by locking down i think it's very debatable i don't really know that it's a tr but i i don't claim to know you know for sure it was some quite possibly but then you'd also have to look just first apples to apples how many lives were cost from the lockdown and i've read stuff uh i was reading the other day it was in england but i'm sure the same is true here that uh cancer screenings have like plummeted over the last year so now there's gonna be all types of preventable cancers that are gonna we won't know this for years if we can ever really trace it back but a whole bunch of people die from that depression has been way up you know suicides seem to be going up there's all these different costs and then of course what is the cost the human cost of destroying people's livelihoods and it's very very hard to weigh these things out um and as you pointed out you'd have to weigh it versus the cost of lives without the lockdown not necessarily with but it's uh it's like with a lot of these other issues people like to make it a very simplistic well if you want to prevent the uh the virus you have to be for the solution right same with like uh climate change if you want to prevent climate change you got to be for the green new deal but the truth is that the real answer is like well what is this going to cost first what is this going to cost and which one is worse yeah which sucks because you have to think well it's really important to have lively debate on these things and one of the things that's going on now is people are trying to shut down debate they want you to agree with their side and this is something that social media is really reinforced right like uh social media echo chambers they want you to be on their side and if you're not on their side to just hit you with a bunch of [ __ ] about why you shouldn't and why you're on the wrong side of history why you're a bad person we were talking before the podcast about lists that people are making about people who supported donald trump or people who voted for donald trump or people who worked in the administration to making these lists and uh like literally blacklists like they have no irony about suggesting these blacklists like you're you're going to soviet russia type [ __ ] like this is right and meanwhile joe biden is saying in his acceptance speech uh that you know well now is the time to bring everybody together you know like we all need a b1 yada yada which is kind of a nice thought um but it's it's a little hard to take seriously when all of these people in your party and who who have been you know supporting you i have been calling everybody else on the other side you know white supremacists nazis for for the last four years to now that you're claiming you won say hey we all have to come together meanwhile other members of your party are saying we got to create lists of people so like this well aoc said it yeah you know a pretty uh influential member very of the democrats you know she's made herself like huge um she's gonna be president i don't know about that she could do it she's not very popular outside of her district i don't know about that i think with young people she represents like this uh this idea that someone like her young hard working out there hustling seriously progressive values that you can get pretty far and certainly in the public eye well you certainly can do what she's doing i mean she's proved that like you could go to a very blue district and and uh primary one of the most establishment democrats and and rise to national prominence and so she did that i don't know right now in the country i think aoc would have a really tough time getting elected uh on a national level but maybe knows well she's only 30. yeah it's insane yeah so she's got a lot of time boy when i was 30 i was so [ __ ] stupid it's kind of amazing not that i'm not that stupid now i'm fairly stupid now but boy when i was 30 i was dumb yeah well she has a little bit of that too yeah well everybody does when they're dirty um you know bridgette fedeci bridge of fedexi uh was read some of her writing that she wrote when she was 24 she's like oh my god i was basically aoc she was like i was such a lefty i was so delusional she goes and now i'm just so much more of a realist i'm um my worry about this biden thing is that people voted for biden because they hate trump they didn't vote for biden because he's a leader that they respect and they want and they admire and like he's going to lead us out of it like if obama was calling for unity if he was the guy that was the president and he was calling for unity we've got to abandon all these ideas you know about division we're all together and he brought everybody together again that might work that might work people might recognize that this really intelligent guy with this message of unity should be listened to well but that did happen right i mean that happened in 2008 that's what obama said when he won and there was some a decent amount of unity i think he had over 70 percent approval rating when he first came in i mean it wasn't certainly anything like the country is now right but at the end of eight years of obama you had a republican house a republican senate and donald [ __ ] trump elected president so we had that but it didn't matter because even with such a charismatic guy like obama calling for unity and saying a lot of the right things at least at first the the policies and what was actually happening in the country were really [ __ ] over huge numbers of people and then also things that might have been somewhat out of obama's control but not completely out um is that the era of it was like like that the obama recovery which was the most like croniest corrupt recovery ever and the woke lecturing all rose up at the same time in the obama years not all of it his fault but some of it is do you see that kamala harris has uh her gender pronouns in her bio now oh yeah she's i saw her say that uh in a cnn town hall when she was still running for president she came out and just no one even asked her she just went i'm kamala harris my genders are she her no what the [ __ ] no what is going on no do you see what janice pappas wrote no he wrote uh uh my my gender is hee haw he's like i'm gonna start a trend here i recognize as he ha that's great i might take that on too i might i might do that i like it it's a very strange strange there it is what's in his bio science scientist and journalist he wrote that's [ __ ] great it's hilarious i think though people like uh they if if you really did care about unity or whatever which i think is like something that maybe we should care about a little bit i mean not that we all have to like agree on everything i i don't like this we don't have to all be one and all have the same you know attitude about everything but when you see what's going on in the country over this year the culture war [ __ ] is really scary and like people should be appropriately concerned about that when you see what's going on in like uh was going on in portland this year where you had like the [ __ ] you know like like militias facing off against each other you have like the antifa versus the proud boys type [ __ ] it's like we're it's like a they're playing pretend civil war yeah you know like it's kind of a game they're larping right but it's kind of not that far off right you know people got shot and killed yeah yeah and there are people on guns staring each other down and for everybody for every sane person should be like you do not want to see a civil war in this [ __ ] country i don't care how much fun you think this is right now in the moment you don't want this to actually come to you holding your buddy's head while he bleeds out and screams for his mom like you don't want that so the idea of toning that down is is a good idea but i think the only way to do that is to understand why donald trump was president to begin with and that like to me the big story of all of this isn't that joe biden looks like he's going to be the president that's kind of boring to me it's like yeah joe joe biden got elected he's been getting elected for [ __ ] almost 50 years like okay the story is still that donald trump won the presidency and then it four years later got like millions more votes than he got the first time and almost by the by a hair almost won it again i mean that's like pretty [ __ ] crazy did you see uh when he was in pennsylvania and he drew 53 000 people to his rally in central pennsylvania yeah and they start off the first like four minutes of it are a chant we love you we love you i mean like what the [ __ ] is that what's going on here and to just kind of dismiss it like the corporate press attitude is like well it's racism i think i think there's a little bit more failure of the education system yeah i mean i i always i always agree with failure of the education system that is always an acceptable answer but i think it's a rejection of looting it's a rejection of the woke culture it's a rejection of being called a racist and being called a fascist that's a big part of that it's a lot of the what this this call for a radical shift in the identity of america well that i think that's a huge part of it i also think that if you're it's the the woke lecturing is almost like just the insult on top like if you're one of these people who who lives in these towns uh you've seen for for decades now like factories disappear jobs get outsourced the the life expectancy has gone down suicides have gone up you know you're one of these the some guy in central pennsylvania or all over the country and what you know you probably lost your job now you're working a shittier job you never really came back from where you were after 2008. uh you maybe you got a son who's addicted to opioids you got another son who like you know has never been the same since he got back from one of these stupid wars um and then after all that the people who sent you there are now lecturing you about your white privilege and then donald trump all it really took was donald trump came in and said you know what i'm for you yeah i'm for you i'm not for the mexicans or the muslims i'm not for this workshop i'm for you and i want you to win that's that's like an implicit message sure that's one of the things that he got across he boiled down the whole thing to like make america great again like that's a simplistic message and to people that want to sort of like they really you know some some country music songs i by the way i'm a fan of country music i like a lot of country music but a lot of country music i don't like because i know what you're doing you're just trying to box everything into this real simple we're gonna go down to the lake we're going to have ourselves a drink you know like you know what i'm saying we're going to take my truck everything's going to be great you know i miss my grandma like there's like this simplistic really boiled down world view and it comforts people because people are scared of nuance and they're scared of they're scared of the complexity of life yes and donald trump was a master at that yeah boiling things down to a real simple slogan a real you know simple phrase that that people can wrap their heads around and get behind but there's also that on the opposition to trump's side where they try to boil things down to like well uh it was racism or it was white supremacy or something like that and you're like there's a lot more going on here and i i really think that if like there these people on some level recognize that they've been screwed over by the establishment forgotten by them and that they they are hated by by the establishment which is true like they're right about that and so they wanted someone to fight for them and i think trump represents that yeah to them i don't think he really was that uh from my perspective i think he's kind of a con artist but i do think that he tapped into something that's really powerful and that actually could get a lot worse if there's not some kind of like reconciling with it yeah how does it get better now that's the real question like because what like how does it get better with biden and kamala harris i mean unless people start rejecting unless people realize that things aren't going to change for the better with them in office well that's i think that is that realization is going to come about a year and a half so now yeah something like that maybe maybe even sooner because things go you know things move fast these days yeah um but i do think that one of the things that's interesting with biden and kamala harris is that a lot of these like super progressive people are celebrating right now because trump what was out you know and so trump was defeated and they feel like they helped get biden and kamala harrison which is they were certainly a portion of helping them and then trump also is the one who is saying like well you know joe biden he's just a trojan horse for aoc and ilhan omar he's a trojan horse for socialism which is actually complete [ __ ] uh joe biden if anything is a trojan horse for dick cheney joe biden is a trojan horse for the establishment war hawks big banks corporate elite tech giants yeah it's going to be them he's filling his cabinet with republicans but those republicans but those republicans the the ones who basically caused this whole mess to begin with one of the things that that trump said during his campaign he's saying talking about how much money that joe biden raised he said i could raise that money too but i'd have to make those deals and then i'd have to be compromised and when he was saying that i was like he's right he's not wrong about that one not wrong about that because if he decided to play ball with all those guys like they would have got behind him and then the narrative would have switched yeah that's for sure and and it's interesting it's a really important question that people might want to like ponder even people who really hate donald trump and you can really hate donald trump that's fine but you might wonder why it is that the establishment hates him so much and i have like my uh guess is that it's not for the same reasons that your left-wing friend hates donald trump like i don't buy for a [ __ ] second that the uh the cia and the republican establishment hated donald trump because he said mean things about mexicans like i just don't buy that for a [ __ ] second these are people who will slaughter brown people in third world countries and lose no sleep over it like i don't buy that's why they hated him i think what they hated about donald trump was that he was a wild man who would blurt out things and he'd blurt out a lot of crazy [ __ ] but then he'd also blurt out the truth and that was something that nobody you're not supposed to say that like you're when donald trump was running in 2016 you know he stood on the republican primary debate stage in south carolina republicans in south carolina and looked at jeb bush in the eyes and said your brother lied us into war in iraq and everyone was like what the [ __ ] like you can't say that at the republican south carolina and all the pundits all the media class they were like trump's finish now because you can't these are the people who fought the war in iraq and these are the most pro-military people around and the next day at the at the primary donald trump took 60 and all the other republicans all 12 of them split the other 40 percent imagine if he didn't say a lot of the dumb [ __ ] that he said like the [ __ ] about mccain like i i like people don't get caught well imagine he didn't say that imagine he didn't say the dumbest [ __ ] the dumbest [ __ ] that he said remember the the gold star family the the family where the khan family yes yeah where he where did he criticize the family about some forget what the exact it was they spoke at the dnc right and then he started trashing them yes and their their son died representing this country in war and everybody was like well you can't that's it he's he's done nope wasn't nope wasn't done imagine if he didn't do that well by the way when that happened i remember just screaming about this on my podcast whereas i was just like the the response was right there and it took him like four days but eventually he did uh get it right where he was just like yeah they died in a war that hillary clinton supported that's the response is this a new one trump suggests gold star families may be to blame for his infection i think it was the second thing oh yeah no this is a different thing than what we were this is new the president who is counting on support from the military members and their families suggest that for a second time in the week that he that they might have spread the coronavirus at the white house also this is different gold star families oh that's the only thing is that a real direct quote the problem is i don't yeah you gotta ask new york times new york times has gone full woke they want to hug me and they want to kiss me and they do frankly i'm not telling them to back up i'm not doing it but i did say it's obviously dangerous yeah that's not the same thing he's just telling the truth yeah see that's the other thing too this so this quote that they keep is stat they keep reiterating this thing he had disparaged american troops who died in wars as losers and suckers is there but they're saying this in quotes yes because it was quoted by some anonymous source who claims that he said that yeah but that is how do you do that multiple sources see but you can say that you can say multiple sources but unless the people go on record it seems like a very disingenuous thing to say yeah well did you see the one the guy who was uh isn't that mine wrong oh no you're absolutely right did you see the guy who revealed his identity who was the guy who was behind that new york times story yeah and they said high level yeah anonymous they said high level executive and then there were all these people in the media speculating and they were like well the new york times wouldn't do this unless this was a really high level person it was basically like wink wink this might be pence this might be you know jared kushner this could be anybody saying the [ __ ] and then it turns out it's like oh this was like some guy who was once a chief of staff at the department of homeland security now i'm not saying that's nothing but it's not at all what you were kind of making people think so i think it's a very shady way to do journalism and that's one of the things that i think is like one of the bright spots of the trump administration one of the best things that he was able to draw out was how agenda driven the corporate press is and you can agree with their agenda on hating donald trump maybe that's how you feel but it's still something to everybody knows now that they are agenda driven they're not here like we just give you the information they're activists yes that that's the the rise of the activist journalist is uh i understand from their perspective that they feel like they have this platform to do a good thing but i feel like you do the best thing by telling the cold hard facts and letting people who are actually advocates or actually advocates activists rather do the the activists work with those cold hard facts i i have no problem with that if you want to be an activist go be an activist yeah but i think just be honest as a journalist though i think it's very you're it's real slippery when you do things like that like like those quotes losers and suckers unless you know who said it unless they're willing to go on record and say i heard him say it then you don't necessarily have a story it's not the same and how did he say it yes what were the what was the and particularly if he denies it yeah so if you know like if i were to just say oh joe told me this thing right last month and you go i never said that right you can't just run with it and quote that you said it because but you have no way of knowing the grabbing by the [ __ ] thing that's you heard it right that's real that was there right so anything else that's it's just so strange i i know i understand their position that they're coming from this place where they feel like they can do a lot of good they can change opinions and they feel like the country's going in a bad direction and they felt like with donald trump this country is sliding into this horrible fascist state and they want to do everything they can to prevent it and they have the green light from all the other people that are there but like all this stuff these lessons that have been learned in the past about why it's so important to be totally honest and unbiased in in in terms of disseminating information like you have to kind of do that and then other people are supposed to take that information that you've disseminated unbiased and have these perspectives and debate both sides that's supposed to happen the problem is when you get this distorted perception from the media that's very biased and that is not objective at all it's like you're you're trying to lean towards a very particular conclusion that they think is right they think it's a good thing but when you do that then you don't have you don't have a re like who is the walter mundale or who's not walter mundo walter cronkite who is the who's the unbiased journalist who's the one that we trust for information it used to be the new york times the new york times used to be like brutally honest about basically everything and now you read something in the new york times like we did when oh it's the new york times though yeah like that's a weird shift that's happened in the last 10 years less yeah but right well yeah i mean it's definitely been like exposed in the last 10 years but i think that truthfully i i think it's kind of a silver lining that at least people are starting to be aware of that and people are starting to go like okay i know that these institutions are not to be trusted because truthfully speaking they got you know it's like i was saying to you before uh we started where it's like for for all the [ __ ] that people give alex jones he got all of the biggest stories right over the last 20 years and i'm not saying he didn't get anything wrong but really really big things like should we go to war in iraq should we bail out bankers should all of this he called these as lies and corruption right away and the new york times was selling all of these i mean they sold the war in iraq and so it's to me it's not the worst thing in the world if people at least recognize that these institutions are completely compromised and i agree with you that there is a role for objective journalism but i would at least accept if they were like hey listen we think like what you just said we think we have this platform and we need to use this to get donald trump not elected at least be honest with it don't [ __ ] me and tell me we're just doing objective news and every single story is about how donald trump is you know needs to they don't even address it they don't say they're doing objective news anymore they just do their thing well they call other news fake news so they'll say the new york times doesn't well the new york times may not but i'm speaking in the corporate press in general right they'll say like well there's fake news out on the internet and even the new york times has done stories about how social media companies need to do more to you know combat fake news on the internet and things like that but they're talking about like super hardcore q and on type [ __ ] aren't they well kind of i mean it starts with that and then they'll use that as an example but then usually they also go to other things like look this uh this this new york post story about hunter biden's laptop was called fake news from the day it came out to the point that not only would all of the corporate press not report on that but that social media companies were banning the link and twitter froze the new york post's twitter account one of the cnn journalists on twitter called it russian disinformation yes this a bunch of people called it russian disinformation i wonder if it was russian disinformation the the photo of the girl giving him a foot job yes that was all she was russian and the foot was russian it was a russian foot job what happened to that i kind of lost track of what was happening with the laptop but they'd like have they shared information of it rudy giuliani sold it on ebay i don't know this this is the thing that's going on there's almost like too much information is coming at us well look the it's basically been verified that this was hunter biden's laptop i mean with within any reasonable standard for for a journalist to verify something i mean number one the bidens didn't deny it like nobody actually came out and denied that this was they had a signature at the repair shop which they matched up to his signature they've had other people on the email chains confirm that they were these were emails between them and hunter biden so it's been pretty reasonably kind of verified that this was hunter biden now i don't know about the crazier accusations that were made there i mean rudy giuliani said that there were pictures of underage girls and stuff like that i don't know if that's true or not but rudy giuliani did turn it over to the delaware police that is true because the delaware a spokesman for the attorney general said that they received the laptop and that they sent it to the fbi now i don't know why they would he would turn this over claiming this stuff was on there and then they would send this to the fbi if there wasn't something but i don't know i don't but what you do know right is that this was a story where they had these emails about hunter biden who is very clearly a swamp creature who was selling his father's name to rake in money from foreign companies now truth be told that's a kind of run-of-the-mill scandal as far as politics going it's normal every senator's kid family wife they all do stuff like this all the time it's a corrupt swamp you know but it's a story nonetheless it may not be the but to but to just make the conscious decision that we are a few weeks out from a presidential election this can harm biden and therefore we're not mentioning it we're not covering it we're not trying to debunk this to a bunch of people we are trying to make sure people never get their eyes on this well i think they felt the heat they felt the heat from 2016 from the hillary clinton email debate you know whether or not she should have deleted those emails and that the fact that comey then opens up the investigation again in the middle of the campaign and that was basically what a lot even though she won the popular vote a lot of people felt like that was that was a bad move and so this year they said we're gonna do everything we can to get rid of donald trump again they become activists instead of just journalists yeah that's it's tricky well that's 100 what happened i mean they felt in a way that they were responsible for donald trump winning ex hunter biden associates records don't show proof of biden business relationship amid unanswered questions some fox news well fox news has taken a turn ladies and gentlemen they are they seem to have made a conscious internal decision to not favor donald trump anymore i don't think fox news was ever that behind donald trump i mean there's a few people at fox news who are hardcore behind donald trump but as an organization i mean remember they were very hostile to him in the republican primary he wasn't the fox news guy jeb bush was the fox news guy um and he i think a lot of people were very happy are very happy to get rid of him let me see that article again this is interesting i wonder what that means ex hunter biden associates records don't show but what does that mean so they don't but it's just but listen to this ex hunter biden's associates records don't show proof of biden business relationship amid unanswered questions that doesn't mean much no well what he claimed was and they're saying joe biden that he couldn't prove joe biden was uh it's a very confusing title because he claimed that he had met with joe biden and joe biden was aware of all the dealings that that hunter was doing here it is fox news has revealed email reviewed emails from look at that name bobolinsky uh related to the venture and they don't show that the elder biden had business dealings yeah but see i could that's that's weird like you know we could say that jamie is my business associate right and if i'm uh involved in some shady [ __ ] and jamie doesn't know about it jamie and i are emailing back and forth and they get into jamie's emails and they say x joe rogan's uh business associate doesn't show any association making the claim is that this is the evidence is the emails though they're like hey we found some emails and the emails say this and now they're saying this fought court in a fox news are like that that's that's not what they say right but the emails to who is it to that guy because if it's not to that guy then this is not relative and then they're playing games with words like i would have to read what exactly they're saying and what exactly he's saying part of the problem too i've i've looked a couple of times that's what i sort of just looking again where normally this [ __ ] gets leaked you know like when all the celebrities got their [ __ ] iclouds leaked all those pictures hit the internet instantly and you could find them all over the place these emails are have like barely been seen by i feel like anybody well these emails you can find i believe he turned these over to the fbi um so i don't know you know where they would leak from not to say that they couldn't leak but i think the the point of this article is that what he claimed what this bobalinsky guy claimed was that joe biden himself was very involved in all the business deals that that hunter and him were doing and that his emails couldn't prove that because they you know the thing was they said they had these references to like the big guy and stuff like that but that they couldn't prove that that joe biden knew about this but he's claiming whether this is true or not he's claiming that he's met joe biden several times and they've talked about it and joe biden was well aware of what hunter biden was doing and where he was making his money from again i think it's a kind of run-of-the-mill political scandal that that aspect of it yeah the bigger thing is like that this goes on all over the place right i mean all over the [ __ ] place like the the the conflicts of interest the corruption or you see where obama you know was spoke after his president we get like 400 000 or something like that for a speech in front of bankers and he was the guy who like presided over the bank bailout yeah and then you get out and it's like oh here's for what the bankers really just wanted to hear barack obama speak i mean he's a good speaker but come on man like what's going on hillary got a lot of those too oh yeah so tons of them and that's where they make the bulk of their money right when they get out of the office then they do these speeches yeah which is kind of hilarious hillary clinton and bill clinton i believe the ballpark numbers they left the white house they were like net worth was around four million dollars and then it was like well over a hundred million dollars uh by 2016. so they made a lot of money after we just went today u.s planned sale of f-35 fighter jets at uae and 23 billion dollar arms deal trump administration yep they're saying i was reading today they're saying he's making a bunch of deals now on his way out oh sure that had planned to sell 50 advanced f-35 fighters to the united arab emirates as a part of a broader arms deal worth more than 23 billion that's the weird thing about someone on the way out they can do so much well i don't know that he's on the way out i mean he's you don't think he's on the way out well yeah he's oh he's almost certainly on the way out but he's going to fight it yeah but do you know how insanely difficult it is to prove first of all to prove that there's voter fraud and then to prove there's enough voter fraud where they could overturn it it's uh it's incredibly difficult and it's not just that he would have to do that he'd have to do that in a few different states yeah and so it's an incredibly difficult task uh but it's pretty interesting this is unlike anything i've ever seen before where you have one president just saying like no this was [ __ ] and i'm going to fight it legally and another thing that i thought was really weird uh from the press is that they so there i saw it twice now um was on msnbc and cnn where he was giving a press conference tell saying how the votes were stolen from him and the system was unfair and they cut away they say we will not show this because he's lying and then just the other day on fox news neil cavuto cut away from uh trump's press secretary saying there was voter fraud and he goes well you know we can't verify that so we can't air this on our and he's like look man whatever you want to say this is a story right the fact that the president is claiming voter fraud is a story so air this and then debunk it afterward but what is this thing where you go no we won't show people right you can't see this story because the lies could poison you or something what if it's proven to be true what if there is a voter fraud well there is it's a question of how widespread it is because there's always voter fraud which is another secret that they don't [ __ ] like to tell but there's always [ __ ] some degree of voter fraud do you find it odd that everybody insists that it's impossible to vote like safely and accurately online uh yes i find that odd i also find it really really odd that we um overhauled the way we do voting in this country and that now it's almost an entirely different process where both candidates are getting way more votes than they would normally get and it's just very weird there were a lot of things that were weird about this election like the actual logistics of it doesn't it seem like if we can bank online we should be able to vote online and doesn't it seem like if you could use like apple pay or samsung pay or something like that and go buy something you know you use your fingerprint yeah and it registers your fingerprint and then you could you could buy a house i mean if you i mean how much can you spend on apple pay does it have a limit i think it's not about like that it's the east for everyone not everybody has that access and they need to get their [ __ ] together everyone get it together like they had the day of the elections they were supposed to where i'm from in columbus franklin county they were supposed to have like registration via ipads or something right and that morning they were not confident that everything got downloaded so they just scrapped the whole thing went back to paper it's like that day so isn't that also a problem with these weird deadlines like we have to choose the leader in the free world in 20 hours ready go yeah like what is this a big important thing like do we really want to boil this down to 20 hours well the whole process is [ __ ] [ __ ] like the whole thing about it the whole thing that it's like so we the the system is that we have to basically like 10 000 votes in wisconsin is going to determine which half of the country is furious and which half is like elated because they get to rule over the other half now and then hopefully in four years they can be happy and you're miserable because they get to rule over you now it's so bizarre democracy in general is a very bizarre process to have it in a country this big with this powerful of a government it makes it insane like that we're going to determine the course of history based off what a few votes in swing states determine there's got to be a better way i was reading this thing about plato excuse me about socrates and socrates was uh he was talking about how he didn't like the idea of democracy because socrates felt like in order to make really important choices you should almost have to prove your understanding of these issues and that this if it wasn't the case i'm pretty sure it was socrates look that up just in case thank you apparently because he he saw the the pro like what we basically have like there's a lot of people that were on the ballot in california i was like what is this guy doing what does he want i didn't know much about them and i was like hmm does that sound right i mean i'm looking at this thing for an hour right i've got an hour to go and then i can google some of these these bills right and and that's just me how many people didn't i mean i gave a very cursory review of these ideas how many people did it at all they just went blue all across the board or read all across the board oh yeah the majority i'd say yeah just guessing but i'd say the majority of people just vote their team and just don't even really look into it that much but democracy was never democracy was kind of considered like a joke uh before world war one uh the the idea of i mean there there weren't too many like functioning democracies and that i think that all changed with like woodrow wilson we're gonna make the world safe for democracy we're going to overthrow all of these monarchs in europe which europe was mostly monarchs at the time and they and that ended and then after that you had the rise of like lenin and hitler and later stalin and you know things that were much worse than the monarchy is that they they replaced yeah um but just in pure philosophy like the idea that if 51 of people vote for something or somebody that then it's completely morally legitimate for them to rule over the other 49 is is completely absurd but what's the bet what's the alternative well i mean look i think the alternative to all of this is liberty which is the best answer which is just basically that whether it's a democratic process or not that the government should be so much more reduced the power should be so much more reduced than what it is now that it's not that consequential who gets in there because they're not wielding that much power and as long as you have i mean look this is the major source of the culture war to begin with even before the social media stuff and before the woke lecturing the major source is that the government is so powerful that you have to fight for your side to be in control of it otherwise you're ruled over by the side who you hate and it's this is unless the only way forward that would solve this problem that would defuse the culture war is accepting some type of libertarianism and what i just mean by that is just some whatever exactly it is something that says okay listen you have these cultural views in portland and you have these cultural views in alabama you're not going to remake each other you guys can live the way you want to live and you guys can live the way you want to live and you can peacefully co-exist the idea that you you have to have this five six trillion dollar a year beast that's controlled by one side or another that hate each other is just going to keep this thing going and getting hotter and hotter yeah and then you have these ideological positions that these huge corporations attach themselves to to siphon money off of right you know um there's uh evan hafer he's um owner of black rifle coffee and he was on and he was uh he's a veteran and uh he now runs this huge coffee business and was discussing what he thinks is really going on with afghanistan he's like there's no reason for us to be over there he goes i think they're over there to to suck money out of taxpayers and that's what they're doing and when uh trump was interviewing or rather steve hilton was interviewing trump um i've known steen steve hilton for a long time that's the the next revolution yeah yeah i've met yeah he's a good dude he's a very nice guy i was friends with him long before he was ever at fox news um i met him in maui oh yeah on the beach his kids were playing with my kids when they were real little and we became friends and we've gone on vacations together like i know i'm very well that's cool by the way i know the exact interview that you're talking about i think it was one of the craziest things i've ever seen when he's talking about the military industrial complex we're good we gotta better people they want to go to war military industrial complex it's real eisenhower warned us about it this is the thing by the way that moment this is why the establishment hates donald trump so much because he is uncontrollable and he might just blurt out sitting down outside the white house with steve hilton that oh you know what there's a whole bunch of people around me who want to go to war because it makes them billions of dollars and this is like and and this is just the president the commander-in-chief saying it now to on the other side trump didn't end any of these wars he kept talking about doing it and then he'd always back out at the last minute why do you think that is well you know i i don't know exactly but i know that when he whenever he would make a move to to try to end one of these wars the press would go nuts circling him i mean they always were but they'd dial it up to like 11 and then he'd have people within his administration undermining him at every turn at every turn i remember back i was a i was a contributor um on uh essie cup show she's got a show on cnn i was a contributor there for like a year and um there was one time where it was uh donald trump came out and said that uh um we're getting out of syria and he goes look our only goal in syria is to defeat isis that's all we care about and they're almost defeated as soon as they're defeated we're getting out completely out of syria and then about a week later mcmasters put out this statement where he was saying these are our goals in syria and one of them was regime change to overthrow bashar al-assad and then he gets fired like a week after that and their take at cnn was kind of like well isn't this great that at least one of the adults in the room is like no no no donald trump this is what we're doing in syria we're having another regime change and i was like losing my [ __ ] like wait hold on however you feel about this he's the commander-in-chief the secretary of state doesn't get to decide no we're fighting a war here it is oh this is the steve hilton one yeah he was particularly orange that day they want to keep you have people here in washington they never want to leave i said you know what i'll do i'll leave a couple of hundred soldiers behind but if it was up to them they'd bring thousands of soldiers in someday people will explain it well this is it you do have you do have a group and they call it the military industrial complex they never want to leave they always want to fight no i don't want to fight but you do have situations like iran you can't let them have nuclear weapons you just can't let that happen a friend of mine today was talking about the art of the deal i've never read the art of the deal because he was in rehab when he was in rehab he had a lot of time and he read the art of the deal and he's like it's remarkably progressive even by today's standards he's like he wrote this in like the 80s well donald trump was never that i mean he's got flaws oh no but the problem is they they overwhelm anything good about them where like you get these flaws like the bragging and the craziness and the not telling the truth about things and the the the tricky thing with trump is that if it wasn't for these character flaws or these qualities that are partly you know have these character flaws he'd never be the president right but then once he becomes president you're like man i wish you could just plug up these couple holes and keep saying [ __ ] like that right because that would be really awesome like we really do need a guy who's taking on the military-industrial complex and pushing to end these wars and exposing a lot of the corruption but also the other problem is that this was never really what animated trump but the the problem is that with donald trump i think that a lot of the trump haters project this this thing onto donald trump like he's literally hitler a lot of the trump lovers project this thing unto him like he's our savior yeah but the reality is it's just what you see yeah he's just that he's the guy who he's he's as shallow as a thinker as he seems he's instinctually brilliant but in terms intellectually he really just cares about being the best i won i was terrific everybody knows it you know and that's and so i i think served him well his whole life sure has the idea that all of a sudden he becomes president he's gonna abandon that and become presidential no it's not gonna happen but anyone who was a decent gentleman or like didn't have those qualities would never have have gotten to where he was he got to where he was because he was willing to say like he got to where he was in large part because he had a quality that bernie sanders didn't have about him bernie sanders is entirely too nice of a guy to lead a revolution i'd say he would always say we're leading a revolution and then you'd have joe biden who's the epitome of the system that you want to revolt against and he'd go look joe's a very decent guy he's my friend i'm not going to say anything bad about him and you're like well you're probably not going to lead a [ __ ] revolution if you're not willing to lob some insults like i'm not saying you have to lob bullets but like you've got to at least you though you have to at least attack you have to at least attack what he stands for i'm just saying you have to call him a fat loser i'm saying you have to go like you have to go listen you are the epitome of washington corruption you've enriched your own family while you're getting other people killed while you're selling out the country yes i think you have to go for the jugular if you're actually going to beat this system isn't it strange though that you have to do that you can't d you can't just espouse the merits of your own ideas well you have to attack but you know if you're a real human being right like let's say what donald trump was just saying and by the way bernie sanders pretty much agrees with him on that he's talked about how war is big business and how they you know we were lied into the war in iraq and he voted bernie sanders to his credit he was one of the very few democrats in the senate who voted against the war in iraq at the time very few democrats in the senate did like actually stood their ground and good for him for doing that but you're talking about people lying to get real human beings slaughtered that to make people money i mean if you talk about that and you don't have some type of outrage about it that just doesn't seem to make sense to me like that's not how a real human being should feel no i totally understand but i wonder if like in the middle of that when you're you're insulting people you're perpetuating you're keeping going this uh this sort of system that's been in place for so long where you run you talk about your merits you [ __ ] on the flaws of your opponent he does the same to you whoever lands the most blows wins i mean this is highlighted by the way kamala harris has like sort of talked about her debate with uh with biden right when when she was on colbert she's like it was a debate it was a debate but it's like that's the only way to do it is the only way to do it to [ __ ] on the other person i think that you have to like i think there's nothing wrong with really running on your ideas and i think that part bernie sanders did you know and i i don't like a lot of bernie sanders ideas i think he's got some that are really good which ones do you like well okay what i love about bernie sanders is that he voted against the war in iraq as i just said he was great in the senate about the war in yemen and trying to bring that to an end which is just this god-awful nightmare that's still going on that obama started and and trump continued i i mean what's happening in yemen is like one of the biggest tragedies in we'll explain to people so yemen is uh i mean yemen is the poorest country in the middle east uh which is saying something you know they were already the poorest country in the middle east before any of this happened and the saudis basically went to war with with the houthis in yemen um and america backed the saudis uh under barack obama uh what obama administration said to placate the saudis uh basically they the saudis were pissed off about a lot of things um and they're a big business partner with us and so they were pissed off about the war in iraq the saudis didn't want the war in iraq they kind of foresaw what would happen that it would give iran control of the region and it would be a nightmare but the cheneyites really wanted the war in iraq israel really wanted the war in iraq and the neocons won and they got the war and so they were already pissed off about that and then they were really pissed off that uh obama made the iran deal with iran and so to up to placate which i believe was the direct quote to placate the saudis um obama decided to back them in this war against yemen and they put a full blockade around the country which was already the poorest country in in the middle east and this led to just i mean the u.n said it was the worst humanitarian crisis in the world uh this was before covet but i think it's still probably up there uh there were there were well over a million cases of cholera which is basically i mean curable with i think liquids like i think gatorade could solve cholera i don't know you might need antibiotics or something like that but it was children and old people just dying in massive numbers i still don't think they know the exact numbers it's going to be somewhere on the scale of what the war in iraq was hundreds of thousands of people dead and bernie sanders really led the effort to try to end it in the senate and he did a great job on that like phenomenal um he also has a great he had a great uh bill proposed to uh decriminalize marijuana on a federal level um which i think would be phenomenal um and so there were there were several things like those would probably be the ones i'd pick that i thought were really great about bernie sanders so i think running on issue my probably one of my big criticisms of him is that he doesn't he doesn't really lead with those issues like he didn't those aren't the things he talked about a lot on the campaign trail but he was excellent on all of those um so i think you could run he could run on his principles you know but i think you have to at some point have a little bit of a killer instinct to to become the alpha monkey to become the leader of this country and i thought that bernie sanders could have won the whole election with the tone that he started in the primary and he didn't and i think that bernie sanders like look the the corporate press completely came down to try to ruin it for him who knows what the dnc did this time i mean it was exposed in 2016 who knows what they were doing behind the scenes well we know what they were doing we know that that was the reason why klobuchar and buddha judge dropped out well that we know we know that warren stayed in to siphon votes off of bernie no question no they gave their delegates over to barton no question we know that much we know that right now we don't know exactly who made the phone calls i think there was reporting that barack obama had called a couple of them yeah it sure does uh but so that but you're right so all the competition with biden drops out right before super tuesday bernie sanders competition elizabeth warren stays in until the bitter end i think they felt like with bernie even though there's talk that they couldn't control him right there's also talk that he couldn't win because there are certain key states that he's never going to win because even though that message resonated with a lot of people including me what resonated with me is first of all absolving people people of student debt i know a lot of people that are wrapped up in student debt and i think it's one of the best examples of first of all you have uh essentially children right you have someone who's 17 18 years old they're going into school and they're taking on enormous debt and they don't i i think you can make the real argument that they don't have the intellectual capacity to understand the ramifications of this maybe some do maybe some don't but when you're talking about people that are in debt hundreds of thousands of dollars by the time they get out of school and then they get out of school and they get a job that pays 40 grand a year do the math how long before you catch up you never catch up there's people to this day that are getting social security that are getting their social security docked because they owe money for student loans i mean you're at the end of the [ __ ] game are people oh they're old enough for social security and student loan debts like that wow oh yeah that's going on right now make sure that's true jamie i'm pretty sure it sounds really good what i'm saying pretty sure it's true well that is and they are victims of a corrupt scheme yeah sure it's a well it's a bad system and i think if we have all this money to go to afghanistan and and put on these endless wars the idea that we don't have enough money to provide a reasonably priced education i'm not saying it should be free maybe it should cost a little bit because i think people work harder when they have to work for something but the idea that you should be hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt by the time you get out and in the reality of the economy is that even before covet if you got out the odds of you getting a job that's like going to be able to even put a dent in that debt in your chosen field they're not that good oh yeah oh so that's no question about here it is 19 of social security payments can be garnished to repay a student loan debt your monthly benefit cannot sink below 700 well okay good luck living on 750 bucks and this is also for people who are what like 35 now when they retire like what's that going to be so i mean that's not that long ago man if you think about someone who's 65 right so once what's no look at this are student loans forgiven after 65 there are no student loan forgiveness programs specifically for senior citizens elderly student loan borrowers are eligible for the same loan forgiveness programs as other borrowers that's crazy it's crazy it's crazy if you're that old and you're on a fixed income you really can't physically work anymore and we don't if we're a community right this is one of the things i think about the united states the idea of a country we're supposed to be a community even though we're broken off into these countries and they're broken off these cities and we're broken off by ideologies and we're separated by all these different lines in the sands that we draw at the end of the day we're all contributing to this pool we're putting our tax dollars in and we're deciding what's important and what's not for me student loan forgiveness was a big thing because i was like we've got to stop this cycle of [ __ ] people over economically when they're 18 years old doesn't make any sense fair enough but i just think that if like i agree with the spirit of everything you're saying and i think when i when i said it's a corrupt system it's just that the fact that you have all of these parties involved where you have like the government who's guaranteeing all of these student loans and then you have for a while i think now it's all done straight from the federal government for a while you have these financial companies that are giving out the loans and then taking in the interest and profiting off of them yeah and then you have these universities who are able to raise their their tuition over and over and there's always a market for it because the loans are guaranteed by the government so they're just so now you have all of these people just raking in money and the politicians get to brag about all these kids going to college and then who's [ __ ] is the 17 18 year old who who was told their whole life that oh just just take the loan out whatever you got to do because this will lead you to a better life and then the jobs aren't there for them so those but the problem if you want to break this cycle the problem is the government guaranteeing the loans to begin with right because this is what yeah this is why college inflates faster than almost any other price in the market and so i would just think even if we are going to forgive the loans that are out there now what you need to do is stop the loans cut them off and let the prices of college come back to something that's more reasonable like they were in like our parents generation where you could work a summer job and pay off your college and then you've also got a very interesting situation in college where most professors are left-leaning and most of the [ __ ] you're uni learning is useless and not all of it yeah but a whole lot of well i don't know if that's necessarily the case but some of it's going to be useless but let's not concentrate on that because you're supposed to be expanding your horizons and there's there's social growth being outside of your family for the first time there's there's all sorts of things but you can do that in lots of ways than spending a hundred grand to go get drunk at a frat party you know but how many of those ways ensure intellectual uh competition how many of those ways ensure that you're going to get together with other students and you're going to debate things you're going to discuss issues you're going to learn things you're going to talk amongst yourselves you're going to also all be forced to take these rigorous courses that demand a lot of you intellectually that it's very i like that in theory i just don't know how much that's happening in in universities but i get your point but let's agree it's the only place where it's happening sure for 18 year olds trust me because i i barely spend any time in college my time in college was three years at uh umass boston and barely paying attention right so these people that are are teaching these kids overwhelmingly lean left now i'm not saying that they shouldn't lean left if this is how you feel you should express yourself but it is really odd in a country that thrives on this concept of diversity that there's almost no diversity in uh in the intellectual ideologies that these professors have yeah like what are the numbers of professors in this country what percentage of professors identify as marxists let's take a guess i would say i'm going to say it's in the 20s yeah i'd probably guess something like that but then there's also identifying as marxist and then there's like being influenced by say like post-modernism yeah yeah but we're going as far as we can this is far that's as far left as we can get right yeah it might be under 20 i'm not sure but it's it's a we can agree that it's a really far left stance yeah that's pretty far so but i'm saying like what percentage identifies the hardest of hard left very close what is it uh there's an article that says about 18 percent of social scientists in the u.s self-identify as marxist oh but that's social science i know i i typed in professors it says professors in the topic yeah because if you're talking about professors and like other you know harder sciences yeah yeah yeah 80 of social scientists okay but that's still an interesting that's that's a large number and that's a large number of people that are teaching like you know critical race theory and gender theory and there's a little well this is great so this is where all the woke [ __ ] comes from right and this is really destructive well this is where your kids go only about five percent who identify as conservative isn't that that seems crazy you've got eighteen percent marxist five percent conservative and uh aei panel discussion was that um that's what i was going to do okay like titled closing people they asked the closed-minded campus the stifling of ideas in american universities but it's one of those things where it's like what is most appealing to young kids compassion what happens to people when they get older realism what happens to people when they get older and then they're worried about their physical health and then conservativism right i mean it's like that's one of the reasons why conservativism and even in you know your libertarianism that when you think about it when you do this sort of like real narrow-minded view of what that means to people for a lot of people it means cruelty it means a lack of compassion it means this like blind faith in capitalism and competition and that's one of the things that freaks out young people because young people as they you know enter into the world and they start learning things and they leave their parents a lot of times first of all they feel suppressed by their parents they feel like the parents who probably work really hard in order to get them to go to school you know to be able to afford their school will probably work really hard in order just to keep the family together just in terms of the amount of money you have to have to to have a house and two cars and live in america and pay your taxes and send your kids to college like god damn you gotta work yeah you got you [ __ ] have to work and so if you're a kid and you're just living off your parents and then you're hearing all this like hardcore [ __ ] like like you know your parents want they want you to be successful they when you're like jesus christ leave me alone then you get to school and you drop acid and you learn about marxism and you learn about socialism and you're like we can all just get together we can just pool all our money together and we're going to be fine and you know there was um a discussion who was it that was uh was it on this show i think it was i was talking to somebody and they were talking about the early days of the united states in the early days the united states with wheat production the the initial ideas were that they were going to pool all the all the food together i think this was actually pre united states i think this was in the colonies right i think you're right i think you're right and then they realized really really quickly that this didn't work and they go okay okay scrap that what you grow you eat and they're like oh [ __ ] i got to go to work and then people started busting their ass there's a diffusion of diffusion of responsibility that comes from this idea that you are an individual and that the government should provide for you you know there's so many people in this country and there's so much money look at all the trillions they spend on military look at all the trillions they spend on infrastructure look at all the trillions they give to the fossil fuel industry and all this they start running all these numbers they go why can't the government take care of everybody why yeah you know well and that is one of the like my my position is basically that the government shouldn't do any of this [ __ ] and we don't have the money for any of it we shouldn't rob it from people but it is a strong argument from like an aoc type yes where they'll be like oh well we don't have this money and she can go yeah but every time you right wingers want a war you won't spend the money for it where i was going so you have young people who do have these idealistic perspectives like aoc and then they go through the university system and they're taught this by people who don't enter the real world right these people they stay in academia they they learn they grow they they become professors they get tenure they're there and this is this is their world and in their world they get to shape young minds and they shape young minds who are already open to these ideas of compassion and of being different than their [ __ ] parents who are so hardcore your parents had to feed you you [ __ ] you your parents are out there grinding a little bit of gratitude it's [ __ ] hard it's hard to get by yeah you know it's hard no so i get i completely get what you're saying um but the other thing about you know which i guess just concerns me a little bit about uh um abolishing you know student debt or forgiving student debt is that well number one the first thing i said is that it's like well okay if we don't get the system fixed then we're going to forgive this debt and then keep perpetuating more people in debt so something still needs to be done there but the problem is also that like you know if when you say forgive debt or you have the the taxpayer pick any of this stuff up it's just coming from other people it's you're you're taxing working people to pay for this but there's something but there's something but why does it have to be that way the government already subsidizes it right yeah right so what what if they didn't do that would it what if there was a way to figure out like a reasonable solution to how professors are paid how students pay for their education what if there's a reasonable solution that was profitable i'd be all for that if there was a solution i i think so but i think basically the solution is to just get the government out of the business of higher education if there are higher if there are institutions of higher education that are providing enough value for people like you come here you're going to be way better in life in that scene then people are going to want to send their kids there okay let them let them survive on their own but what about canada what about the uk what about places that pay for education yeah i mean there are like other countries that do that and and okay fair enough like that there i mean i don't know enough about the canadian university system but i'll tell you this they have just as big a problem with what you were talking about before with the woke [ __ ] maybe even more maybe even more well the president's woke yeah he's not a president he's a king right what does he say i believe he's a prime minister no he's a king i might you know what i also think that you know the wolf [ __ ] is really uh it's really something that um has really gripped the country in an interesting way over the la and it's not just that the the colleges are are like teaching it like that's almost like the the center of it all like critical race theory in some university yeah but then you see how much it's been jumped onto by like by all the big corporations politicians they're all behind well that's why kamala harris states her gender pronouns oh yeah yeah it's it's in compliance do you want to just capitulating to the the woke culture right but it's interesting like do you i wonder oftentimes and i guess there's i don't know how many of of like like real woke true believers will ever listen to anything that i'm ever on like even as big as this show is like they would just be furious by everything you say the way you just drank your glass is like that's white supremacy or whatever you know like that yeah what i mean by my very existence yes yeah i'm uh a white male rich guy with tattoos who does cage fighting commentary yes very problematic a lot of problems very problematic but do you ever wonder like from even from their perspective which is hard to get into but to the air if you're like out there and you're like okay black lives matter and like the hardcore like woke 20 year old right like and they're like i'm against this system because this system is white supremacy right and then you realize that all of hollywood agrees with you and all of academia agrees with you and like jpmorgan chase is running like a black lives matter ads and and kamala harris the vice president-elect agrees with you and all and you go how against the system are you really if the entire system is supporting what you're doing and what why if the whole system is based on white supremacy and you're here to call that out why would the system not be reacting to crush you why would they be like propping you up well the system is so malleable right the system recognizes trends and go we can profit off this trend well we need to sell black lives matter masks but i think it's more than just profiting off of it like my my theory on it is that this is the ultimate divide and conquer and protect yourself strategy so you see how much the look they don't want true economic leftism that's what bernie sanders represented and you saw how much the corporate press freaked out when it looked like he might have a shot at winning they were calling his supporters nazis and [ __ ] like that like they were giving him the trump treatment the the jewish guy who's the closest to ever being president any jews ever been is all of a sudden represents a nazi takeover but they freaked out and all the stuff you were saying about having the other candidates drop out and bernie sanders was unacceptable to them they don't like that brand of left-wing ideology they love the woke [ __ ] because the woke [ __ ] allows them to give up nothing but like jp chase is like fine we'll send our white execs to diversity training good deal now are we cool with the left now like that's fine we'll hang a black lives matter flag up no problem they're fine with gestures but bernie sanders is like i want your money i want your [ __ ] i want your profits no more making like bernie sanders is that you know if some like social justice warrior is like you know uh we have a problem with microaggressions and toxic masculinity the jp morgan chase is like no problem that's great and bernie sanders is like there shouldn't be billionaires and they're like all right i don't know about that guy that guy seems like he could be trouble you know what i mean so they don't like the economic populace stuff because they've got a nice little system worked out here where they're raping the country the the [ __ ] big bank system that they have worked out right now is that the federal reserve prints money out of thin air lends it to them at zero percent interest and they lend it out to the rest of us at interest so they just get money for free and then lend it out and collect the interest it's a sweet ass [ __ ] deal if i were them i'd want to talk about micro aggressions too i'd be like you know what the real problem in our society is these [ __ ] micro aggressions am i right that's what's [ __ ] everybody over white supremacy they they consciously like recognize these trends and say we got to get on board with this and this will help us because we'll be one of the good guys we'll be we'll be a a company that's very difficult to criticize i think there's i think there's a lot of forces at work but i think that's a big part of it i think they also realize that like i think there are people it's like this kind of it's like an alliance between the top and the bottom so there's like the 20 year old who works for some company yeah maybe some internet music streaming company i don't know you know some some company out there some 20 year old woke person who is a true believer yeah a true believer in the woke stuff and then there is the jp morgan chase kamala harris's of the world they don't believe this for a goddamn second it's just a ploy it's just a tactic and so they're kind of playing off of these people but my thing is that like to the bleeding heart young woke social justice warrior types is like look there's a need for you in society there's a need for like a compassionate left who's willing to protest [ __ ] and shut [ __ ] down but you're focused on all the wrong areas it's not about [ __ ] forget microaggressions think about real aggressions we're still in all the longest wars in american history but protest that get out in the streets about [ __ ] yemen try to end that war isn't that it almost but there's too many things going on to and then those things are out of sight they're in another place that you're never going to visit well you have to think a little bit about it but why is it that and maybe it's i i don't like have an answer this isn't like a leading question like but why is it that like the vietnam war could draw so many protests that the war in iraq under george w bush drew so many protests so like why can't why were trump's wars never like a thing i think the press covers them differently today than they did during the vietnam era yeah i think that's true i think the press during the vietnam era was very much the press the ideal view of the press probably closer much yeah yeah i think it's been changed first of all there's there's a bunch of factors that happen almost together they they coincide one of them is the advent of social media and the internet in general and then how people are no longer digesting their news through paper they're not paying for a newspaper they're getting it on their phone and you're now in competition with uh buzzfeed and vice and uh you know name it there's so many choices there's two vox and there's there's almost too many different play the blaze is [ __ ] you just you can keep going and going and going there's too many different places where you can go to get information so if a website is competing with the new york times the new york times now has to do something in order to get your attention so what do they do they do at least at least if they don't do click baity stuff they do provocative things they they gear their attention towards things they know are going to get clicks because they're starving they're literally fighting for survival whether it's the washington post or even the wall street journal i think a lot of these newspapers are experiencing significant well one thing that led to a big increase in uh the new york post subscribers ironically is trump right trump [ __ ] on them and calling the failing new york times yes yeah yeah trump calling the fam them the failing new york times they started their their subscriptions went up well this is and this is true all over the place with corporate uh uh media entities that were dying i mean it was also true for msnbc and cnn and a lot of them all saw raiding surges sure because people wanted to combat trump yeah a lot of them it became the number one focus because if it bleeds it leads like that's these are the really exciting things that people are going to tune into and it's going to help our revenue stream so our idea is that the reason why they're showing us the news is these are the most significant stories they're going to impact your life the most this is what's most important not really the case what it really is is what's going to get the most attention what's the most important in terms of like what's going to get the most views which is going to bring in the most advertising revenue and for people online that are writing stories it's they don't call it click bait for a reason yeah or they do rather call click bait for a reason the the reason is it's they got to trick you in a click in that thing because that's how they make their money that we've created this rep so then they've tried subscription models and i subscribed to the times and i subscribed to the washington post i i subscribed to like four or five different publications and i felt like an obligation to do that i'm getting my news from them i feel like i should give them some money and that might be the only way these things ever survive is that people get their news via subscription model but to this day someone will send me a link and i'll click the link and it'll say to subscribe i'm like i'll [ __ ] you and then i'll i'll just i won't read it and then i'll google it i'll try to find it somewhere else yeah that works about 50 of the time yeah just google the title you should be able to just pay for an article like maybe uh apple pay you five cents for this article let me get a double click like but to make me subscribe every time i i understand that there's journalists and they're doing amazing work and that they've worked for weeks on this expose and this has been the sole focus of their life and it's valuable and it's valuable to me it's valuable to the united states as a whole because this one person's intellectual perspective on a very complex subject they've boiled this down for weeks and weeks here this is what we've learned about x those are important sure i'll give you a couple bucks but make it [ __ ] easy don't make me subscribe and give you my email address and i gotta just make me go let me go like that i'll give you two dollars yeah it's kind of as you said it's surprising they haven't figured that all out close what apple has but it's not quite it's right it's like in between what you're talking about i have that too yeah yeah i have that but it's still there which is there's somebody curating it yeah which is a little you know that's exactly strange exactly i i mean i would like to be able to go to each individual front page and i think i don't even i barely have time for that i think the thing you were mentioning earlier about who you trust is is like a bigger factor than ever before you know who i trust who online people people would know if people like jimmy dore people like kyle love jimmy dore yeah people like the hill dude crystal and sauger i like them too uh i like that their show is great it's great um uh but i you know so it's like and and by the way and the best it's like uh glenn greenwald yeah his head on he's on and you know where he stands he's a left-wing guy okay but he still has journalistic integrity so he's not just gonna like f you know that him walking away from the intercept was incredible yeah and uh there's and jeremy scahill the other guy uh who was at the intercept with him is a great journalist uh aaron mate uh i might be [ __ ] up his last name have you had him on no he's great his rights for the nation did a great job he's on jimmy dore's show all the time he did a great job of like just blowing up the russia conspiracy [ __ ] and it was more powerful because it's like a left winger doing it who's like listen this is all lies and like i hate donald trump but i'm not going to tell you something that isn't real is real just because i hate him and so if you're smart or if you're luck you know fortunate enough to find the right people you can get really good information online but it comes down to like who you trust to give you the right information right and there's a lot of people right now who it's kind of like well these are the few people i trust these are the few people i trust on both sides right and like you could be way off like you could think you trust this person someone come along and go hey man do you know they're fun they're financed by this do you know that this is a part of the reason why they keep bringing this up is there's a directive you know that emails have been leaked and it's been proven that these people are supposed to be doing what they're doing like ah [ __ ] really that's the worst figuring out someone you trust isn't right here like finding out that cult master really doesn't speak to the alien behind the comment yeah but this is where we're at right we're we're in this imperfect system that's the best system the world's ever known that's the what's weird what's weird is as good as this like it's hard to say things are great because things are not great for everybody and they're certainly not as good as they could be right so that said we have to recognize that this system of this experiment self-government is the best system that's ever been put in place as far as uh creativity our artistic contribution the the impact on culture the innovation like there's some beautiful things that are happening all around the world yeah but there's some wild [ __ ] that has happened in america over a period of just 200 years yeah it's pretty [ __ ] crazy no it's the [ __ ] it's the the greatest country that's ever uh existed in by many different metrics so let me throw this out and it's worth saving because we're on a [ __ ] suicide mission yeah so it's worth saving i don't believe this but i'm just as a thought exercise what if all this robbery like student debt and even the military-industrial complex and even what if all of this activity has to go on in order to have this much thriving in order to have this much economic prosperity and this much freedom you gotta have [ __ ] you gotta have madness you gotta have lies you gotta have deception you gotta have special interest groups you gotta have people distorting other people's positions on things you gotta have empty pundits you got to have puppets in various stages of media you have to have click bait you have to have all these things because if you don't have all these things you don't have resistance you don't have an enemy you don't have a battle you don't have a competition to get these prominent ideas that you think are the most crucial in order to maintain this society and maybe even improve it they don't compete enough they have they have to be suppressed you have to choke people you gotta grab them you gotta shake them like bad babies you almost like you have to create this chaos it's almost like you have to create it in order for people to battle this chaos well they're yeah i mean i guess there is like a yin and yang to the fact that they're the without corruption there could never be like noble anti-corruption forces and i should say anything to fight against i don't believe there are any bad babies and you definitely shouldn't shake them that was a bad analogy that was a bad analogy but if you're gonna shake babies make sure it's a bad baby like a hitler baby yeah hitler baby i think it's okay when do you think you could go back in time and be justified in killing hitler like if you killed him when he was 10 you'd be an [ __ ] yeah that's bad maybe you should just coach him yeah teach him anytime yeah well that's i mean once you have the ability to time travel you'd think you could probably solve this in a better way than killing them could you though maybe not i don't know you have to keep them from steroids and cocaine right because apparently that was the thing they would inject him with testosterone and cocaine you ever see that video of him at the olympics where he's just freaking out yeah it's amazing yeah can you imagine what it's like being in his inner circle just like a little thing [ __ ] up or something like that there's a crazy story i forget who told it to me i do too many podcasts but about mussolini and that mussolini was ready to get out of the war it's like italy doesn't want no part of this and they shot hitler up with coke and testosterone and they sent him over there and he cornered mussolini and [ __ ] talked to him for hours imagine being at a party with some guy who just spit in your face telling you stories and he's talking just like his public speeches like just like going crazy and and by the end of the [ __ ] conversation mussolini is all that he's like anything just to get this man away from me but was it that or was mussolini like actually like [ __ ] yeah we're gonna fight this more like hitler just had this power he had a needle and a [ __ ] mirror he's like come on do what's going on with this i'm gonna [ __ ] hit you with one of those whoa are we in but you know hitler was doing all sorts of hardcore amphetamines by the way so was kennedy did you know that yeah the doctor feel good you know they were doing that to a lot of people back then i mean i'm pretty convinced all of them are on some type of drugs see joe biden sprinting out to his acceptance speech the other day they gave him a little something a hundred percent donald trump did trump do donald trump did in back-to-back days in the last week before the election five events at five different states where he did close to an hour at each one yeah like that if someone if someone told you dude we're getting on a plane you're doing five hours tonight in five different states that's going to be a day man donald trump is in his mid 70s he's overweight and he had coveted a couple weeks ago and he's [ __ ] doing it and dude he loves it yeah like he's just up there and like in the chest we love you and he just and by the way nothing's scripted which is the most amazing part about trump he literally just gets up there and just [ __ ] stream of consciousness they got a doctor with a turkey bastard with testosterone oh my god they're giving them something everything it's not just big macs there's something else at work there for sure there's definitely some sort of stimulant probably prescribed by a doctor so it doesn't seem like it's bad yeah you know i would never do drugs there's a lot of people that think that i yeah i knew a lady who was like hooked on xanax but she hated drugs i'm like what do you think you're doing yeah what do you think you're doing people have weird ideas about drugs right if you talk to like drug specialists they i mean i've had people on that explain that kicking xanax is actually more difficult than kicking opiates like xanax addiction is very serious yeah it's a powerful drug maybe not more difficult but it's in the realm it's like it's an incredibly difficult thing to kick and has all sorts of weird complications with people you know um antidepressants in general or anti-anxiety medication in general like benzodiazepine that's that [ __ ] that jordan peterson was trying to get off and he was wrecked for a [ __ ] year for he's just coming out of the fog now i mean how to go uh do a medical detox in russia yeah for benzos yeah i've never have you ever done a benzo do you know what that is i don't know what it is i know i mean i've heard the chili stories about them joey diaz eats them in a bowl like corn flakes yeah but joey diaz isn't exactly i don't know i don't think he's ever had that he can he can kind of you couldn't do anything to joey diaz no matter what you give him he'll be the same well while he's alive he's a national treasure we should protect him with everything we can right you've got him now that's right yeah he said jerseys that's right yeah i'm happy that was win one for the eastern right when he got there they legalized wheat coincidence maybe not it's uh it's quite a coincidence if it is just that he brought it he brought the energy they probably thought about it like uncle joey's in town we gotta check that box i'm glad joey diaz is in new jersey and i'm glad jordan peterson is home i think the country could use some more jordan peterson yeah for sure um and also i think uh it's probably real important for a guy of his uh intellectual capacity to explain what it was like to be addicted to these things and try to get off of them and what uh i think a lot of us we especially uh it'd be easy for someone like me who's never been physically addicted to something where i i had like some serious withdrawals it's probably easy to dismiss that as mental weakness you know but when a guy who's as intelligent as him and has spent so much time talking about personal responsibility has a situation like this it can shine some light in a very unique way that maybe like you or i who have you ever been addicted to anything not really coffee i was addicted to but i really am addicted to coffee you ever like had not been able to have coffee i've had some headaches yeah yeah it's like i was i had to give blood or to get blood test once like a couple years ago and it was like i you can't drink coffee before it and it was like at noon and it was like by the time i was out i was like holy [ __ ] like i'm really feeling but no not not addiction to like anything like when you get headaches um i bought a 51 ounce french press it's like it's a big old metal french press and uh i when i make coffee if i make french press coffee i put in way too much coffee like you're not supposed to have that much grinds i'm basically making speed and then i poured the hot water and i drank the whole thing so i drank 50 ounces whatever it is without the beans because i make it like a couple inches thick on the bottom right it's way more coffee than you're supposed to have so let's say i drink 45 ounces of coffee and it's crank and by the end of the day i was so tired and i was like what is why am i so tired i'm like oh you were on speed today stupid yeah yeah basically it's catching up with you like the end of it but before that i felt so good i wanted to hug everybody i wanted to go to work i wanted to get things done i got a workout in i did some writing i made some phone calls that sounds pretty good to me the only negative was you got tired at the end of the day and the day i was tired like when trump goes to sleep i'd love to see like a webcam of him when the adderall dies out and he has to take a sleeping pill but his whatever it is that he takes the energy that that guy has i remember um bill o'reilly interviewed him was like when he first became president and it was before bill o'reilly went down so that around when he first became president and he asked him number one which was the greatest thing ever was he asked him uh he was like so do you ever look around the white house and just think to yourself like man this is like really incredible i'm the president of the united states and trump was like yeah it's a nice house he just seemed so unimpressed with the fact that because it's like [ __ ] yeah he's part of where he lives but that's just donald trump like it's always like did you ever have like a serious moment where you thought about your role in history and all this and this house you're in and he's like yeah donald [ __ ] trump like i don't know i live in a lot of nice houses and bill o'reilly asked him how how much he sleeps a night and he said about three hours and he goes does that like mess with you and he goes i always slept about three hours like he was always kind of being this guy he always loved is a big advantage the celebrity factor of for donald trump was a big advantage in politics and a part of that was that like when he would get on those debate stages you know you got to think like in the primary debates with other republicans a lot of these guys like you know marco rubio or someone like that he might have been groomed by the establishment but he hasn't been under these type of lights before he hasn't had 100 million people watching him before but donald trump stepped right in there like this is exactly where i belong yeah this is this is my home and was so comfortable even someone like jeb bush who's from the most powerful crime family in america but has he ever been in a spotlight like that before no not another guy like donald trump who doesn't follow any of the rules what are you gonna say jamie i've heard uh recently i don't even know if it's speculation but like the drug he's taking is not like adderall or some meth thing but he's taking like provagil actually and it could be but i i just found a tweet from like two years ago that his doctor apparently passes it out like candy yeah well that will definitely pep you up and keep you yeah i've taken that i've taken provagil it uh without a doubt it uh gives you a lot of energy it's great if you have to drive and you're not gonna be able to get any sleep it's amazing amazing for staying awake but uh yeah makes sense i mean it's not a speed technically it's a different it's in a different class i've never taken it it doesn't elevate your heart rate um it's banned from uh i believe it's banned from uh olympic competition see if that's the case new vigil look up new vigil um is it finasteride is that what it's called modafinils modafinil finasteride is like that's advil isn't it no it's a viagra they added it looks good i'm sure it takes time too added to the prohibited substances 10 days before the 2004 olympics yeah because it does give you some sort of a uh a stimulant effect not but not a stimulant effect like it's you never have it i don't think so it's cool it's weird it gives you like this weird buzz like you have this like weird um i don't necessarily think it increases your iq like i don't think it increases i shouldn't say iq uh cognitive performance but i do think it makes you appear like you've increased your cognitive performance like maybe it makes you think that you're smarter but it gives you more energy it's dangerous see like has it been proved like no bet see look up no benefit for cognitive performance on pro vigil i might be wrong i think there's maybe a slight uptick for a lot of people but for a lot of people i think one of the things that holds them back is they're just not that healthy they don't have a lot of energy you know like a healthy people that are like really vibrant people that are in good shape they have more energy for stuff and that would make them think better researchers have found that modafinil boosts high higher order cognitive function without causing serious side effects modafinil which has been prescribed in the u.s since 1998 to treat sleep-related conditions such as narcolepsy and sleep apnea heightens alertness as much as caffeine does oh they're really selling it sounds awesome yeah it says but do that again click on that again does it increase iq boosts higher order cognitive function i don't know what that is you'd have to take a couple tests i guess to figure out the boost i don't know right be hard to test for yeah um it's interesting from what i understand even though it was prescribed for narcolepsy i believe it was developed for uh i think it was developed as a performance-enhancing drug i think they did developed it to they were trying to figure out how to increase cognitive function and then they said well you can't just give a drug out for people that want to get smarter about [ __ ] like you have to have a reason like a medical condition because of the state of our medical system and so then they said um narcolepsy it'll prevent narco it'll help against narcolepsy but a lot of these drugs are developed like that like they're they're developed for a purpose completely different than what they end up being 900 000 prescriptions in 2017 in just the u.s for it most of them are me that's only that that makes it the number 328th most commonly prescribed wow it's really good it's a billion though i'm not saying you should get on it i definitely have i haven't taken it for years though but i'm saying you should but it looks like trump's doing it and things are working out pretty good for that well not right now they're not now it's just they're still getting raped like a big baby take your lumps sir um but when you i i know a guy's a an author who says he can't function without it and he's he writes that's what he uses he uses that stuff so it doesn't have any energy without it no but again it works i think a lot of people like they're just not that healthy right and they need something to give them a little pick-me-up but you know i talked to tim ferriss about it you know tim ferriss is into a lot of uh performance-enhancing things and a lot of bio hacking type things and he said that he didn't want to put it in his book it was a four hour body or the four hour work i don't remember which but which one it was one of his books one of his uh sort of like how to beat the system type books because he goes i felt like people just aren't going to start eating it like candy and he goes and i feel like there's always a biological like there's no biological free rides there's always some sort of negative aspect especially to abuse of something like that but when you're 74 and you eat nothing but french fries and you're out there kicking ass you got to go like how much times this guy got left anyway well yeah but some people are just freaks like that you know like some people it's true like some people don't you know what i mean like some people who are like uh are like eat like [ __ ] and like still [ __ ] like some people just naturally have better cardio even if they're not like running as much as somebody else they just naturally have it better some people can treat their bodies like [ __ ] and still function most people can't right but trump is if nothing else he is unique well he is difficult for anyone so quickly i don't care what drugs they gave him yeah but he's like yeah but he got access to drugs that we don't have okay we'll give them to everybody give those drugs to everybody and then we open up the country again because of that fat guy who's almost dead he's 74. what is that average life expectancy i think he's above it i think is it 77 is it it's in the neighborhood yeah it's lowered this year because of all the stress sure let's just say it's 76. so he's two years away from being dead and you guys gave him these magic drugs now he's doing five hours of campaigns every day whatever those drugs are you got to give them out to everybody 76 yeah look at that yeah 81 for chicks the last yeah and they complain well the last five years they just laughed the [ __ ] can i win it's it's kind of great i mean i i i hope this is the big hope right biden gets into office the country relaxes all this crazy [ __ ] about making lists and everything people realize there's some that's bad and then whatever this vaccine is and whatever these treatments are we're allowed to go back to normal again that would be that would be the best case scenario that i i think that joe biden does something you know we'll have a national mask mandate or something and then he'll for we'll do that for two months and then he goes we defeated the virus and we did it because we finally got serious and listened to the science and but i gotta say i'm not super optimistic that that's the way it's gonna go well explain what you were saying to me before the show we're talking about governors realizing oh well that means power yeah look i mean i think that what's what's happened over the last year in america is really like unprecedented i mean the idea that americans have now accepted to some degree that we could be in a state where we're sitting at home watching our governors on television to find out what we're allowed to do today are we allowed to go to the park can i see my grandmother can i have my family over can i go to work like the most intimate basic things that we all took for granted as freedoms of course the government could never tell you can or can't do that and now the governors have taken this authority and there wasn't major pushback i mean there was a little but not so much that they couldn't get away with doing it and i don't know that they're just going to give up that authority now that they've seized it i mean my my thing what i think about covid ultimately the effect that the lockdowns and all this will have i think it would be something like 911 where you know like right after 9 11 you remember there was all that fear that there'd be another terrorist attack like oh my god we're terrified this could happen again and that's kind of gone away people don't really live with a fear of another terrorist attack but the department of homeland security is here to stay the tsa is here to stay the wars that we're fighting are seemingly here to stay the patriot act is here to stay all of these things and then all the stuff that grew out of the patriot act the crazy nsa spying and all that so my guess is that a lot of these things are going to be here to stay when you give the government control it's very hard to get it back from them yes um and that's a that's a difficult dynamic especially when it's for your own good like in a medical emergency and the problem is we've always lost so many people to so many different medical emergencies so many different medical problems i mean what if the government changed the way people were allowed to eat because we talked about the the money that's like all the heart disease and all the money that is going towards treating heart disease and we we we have to put a stop to this it's become a real issue in this country we're losing half a million people a year or whatever it is to heart disease and heart attacks we have to stop this and so we're going to enforce certain rules and regulations in terms of how you can eat once once you accept this principle it's there's a lot of different ways that you could you could go down this this line and and the other big one i would say is like climate change i mean if you accept that covet was this emergency so that we have to lock everyone in their houses and all this stuff well okay you have a whole bunch of people who are arguing that climate change is an existential crisis that's going to you know make all things the planet uninhibitable uninhabitable excuse me for for all living things well then by that logic wouldn't that be worth locking people in their homes over and so this is it's very dangerous once you've set this precedent that the government can do this and they all look around at each other and realize oh we got away with this and by the way that's not even if you believe the lockdowns were the right thing to do for covet which i don't but even if you believe that you'd still have to be concerned about this like authoritarianism that we've kind of like ushered in over this last year it doesn't mean that that's not a danger anymore you know what i mean like even if you think chemotherapy is necessary to kill the cancer you still have to worry about all the other you know like effects of chemotherapy and so that's that to me is what's very dangerous about all of this joe biden ran on the idea that he's open to another round of lockdowns and i wonder if people realize like how devastating the last round of lockdowns were and how devastating it would be to do it again um i don't know i hope your version was right has it really opened when you say well like in certain place like la is locked down yeah yeah well never really opened right right they opened a few like things for a few weeks like gyms and nail salons and they closed it back down again right so yeah so in some places it is still pretty locked down and then in some places it's kind of quasi-locked down not quite as much as it was back in march april may right but yeah no new york city's never been the same and businesses have been destroyed people's lives have been destroyed over this it's uh it's a real it's a real awful thing new york city has some crazy amount of apartments that are open like it's bananas people have been bailing on new york city yeah like i think the last check was like double the amount of normal apartments that are available yeah that makes sense yeah people have been moving out like crazy and it's hard it was hard for a while to get like any numbers on it but i i know like stories i've heard uh people who work for uh moving companies saying like you can't book us to move we're completely booked up like we're moving everybody and they're all going out of the city u-hauls were really hard to get triple look at that empty empty rental apartments in manhattan triple hitting nearly 16 000. wow and that was october 8th i bet it's even worse now month later but that's nuts vacancy rate in manhattan which is typically two to three percent is now under six percent wow i just saw something about los angeles some counties in california might be getting rolling back now because the numbers are going up again oh really the numbers are going up again and of course that all this stuff isn't just the lockdowns it was also all the riots over this summer and the fear that these riots were going to get worse and worse and the looting and the looting yeah not that it was already pretty bad but the fear was kind of like oh i guess especially when it was a really crazy thing to see the cops step back and just let people loot oh it was basically just like okay you're going to do it go for it or not even santa monica the sheriff gave orders for the cops to stand down see if that's true because people were criticizing her they were really upset and even if there's not even if that hasn't been talked about in other areas it was pretty clear that they were given orders to to stand down in a lot of places well when the numbers get so high i mean the cops had abandoned that minneapolis police station right i mean it got to the point where they were overcoming the police station they let them light the police station on fire yeah like when i uh got up in the morning after the [ __ ] hit the fan in la and i saw this video of these cop cars like on on the highway just lit on fire one after the other covered in spray paint windows smashed in i was like whoa this is in la this is not in minnesota this is not minneapolis where it actually happened this is nowhere near it and they're lighting other cop cars on fire santa monica police chief stepped down a couple weeks ago okay um recognizing that recent events both here in santa monica and around the nation have strained community police relations chief renowned has made the decision to step aside so the santa monica police department can continue to move forward a statement announcing her retirement said i'm pretty sure she told the cops to stand down it starts off saying that like amid anger over her response to the protest yeah they the idea was that and this was the same idea that the mayor of new york uh acted on that you let them burn out let them get it out of their system which is uh that really sucks if you happen to be one of those uh people caught in the burning it out yeah you know yeah like that's uh that's pretty rough he also opened up the door to the fact that this can happen again and if it does happen again you're not going to do anything again well and it does and it seems like um there's no at this point now it's like if there is an incident that comes out where a cop killed a black guy we're not even going to wait to figure out what happened here do an investigation was this an unjustified shooting was it justified it's just going to be the first knee-jerk reaction it's like let's start you know burning stuff down which is like very disturbing and incredibly destructive i say that as somebody who's like not a fan of policing in this country and think we do have major problems but i always right from the very beginning in minneapolis was like okay this is like completely unacceptable you can't like support people destroying communities because they're pissed off about an unrelated thing yeah and any more than you can support the us you know invading iraq because they're pissed off about 9 11. right like you can't just be like hey this guy did something to me so i'm going to go take it out on this guy and then people give you these like response like so you care more about looting than about human lives or something and you're like well that's why is it a choice like why can't i be against all of it yeah i know it's it's a weird narrative well there was there's been a lot of the the those this year like there was the oh you just want to get a haircut was a big narrative yeah if you like opposed the lockdowns yeah where you're kind of like that's do you really think that's all that human life is leaving your home is just getting a haircut it's not like i don't know you know seeing your family or getting a cancer screening or you know like whatever all of human life pretty much it's just reduced to you just one haircut you being able to make your own decisions yeah like you being able to if you like one thing you're allowed to do is enter into the protests so people were protesting and everybody thought that was okay so you're shoulder to shoulder which i agree with i i don't i don't have any problem with protests i think it's you you have a point you're allowed to it's part of freedom of assembly it's part of the constitution the bill of rights it's part of who we are you're allowed to protest things that you disagree with yeah if you're peaceful i absolutely agree with you but if you're gonna allow people to do that you should also allow them to go to the gym you should also allow them to go to comedy clubs you should also allow them to go to restaurants you should allow them to do whatever they want and if you say well you have to have uh a consideration that you're going to get all these other people sick if you get sick okay but you have to have that with everything you have to have that with no one said hey i understand that you want to protest and i'm with you but here's the problem this could spread the disease please don't do it no one said that no one said you like do you remember when it first happened when the when the protests first like started and the basically the media and even a whole bunch of like epidemiologists and stuff we're like no it's okay it's okay for the protests that to me was like one of the craziest moments i've ever lived through cognitive dissonance like and i've i've like all the time talk about how corrupt and how the corporate press are all liars and stuff and all but to actually see that that they would go like it was like okay it was like three months of this complete change of the american way of life where it's like listen we all got to do this you have to give up everything and stay home because we got to control this disease and then like they were like oh my god there were 20 year olds at the beach oh my god they're gonna spread it and then like two days later it was like no this is totally fine yeah and you're like what the [ __ ] is going on how could you possibly rob everything from people but then you decide that because they're protesting a cause that we agree like we agree with the cause therefore this is okay that was [ __ ] weird there's no negative consequences to it at all yeah yeah like that was really bizarre and then there were things you know i heard a lot of these kind of like anecdotal stories like people would tell but i mean there were things where like you know i i heard this one story that always stuck with me about a guy whose wife was pregnant and uh they it for she got sick and it looked like they might lose the baby and they wouldn't let her in uh they wouldn't let him in the appointment with her so she had no they didn't lose the baby thank god and everything was fine but they like she was going into a sonogram to maybe find out that they had lost the baby and they wouldn't let him be there to like hold her hand through that right it's just like i don't know what if you could put a value on that or whatever but that's quite a thing to ask someone not you know to be able to do and then to have epidemiologists go like well we think that this protesting is so important that you can go do it you're like so are you telling that guy that that wasn't important enough like that wasn't important for him to be there that's an individual that's a controlled environment you could test both of them yeah you know and so it's just it's pretty and and that really did a lot to like undermine people's confidence in like the scientists and the you know you want to say follow the science it's like yeah but this isn't science well that's probably recognize that there's a lot of malarkey it's this is not all 100 straightforward yeah i i was talking to a guy who's very intelligent guy and he was we were talking about one of these recent studies with covid and uv light and how uh it shows that it dies very quickly in sunlight and he goes well that's why there was no spread after the riots i go did they stop when it went dark like what are you talking about there was a spread like there was an uptick it was going down and then it came back up again i mean it's all like within a week or two of the riots starting like you can you can see the cases but it's not even like but he wanted to believe it yeah no i understand he's not a part of the media and there was no one around but me yeah but sometimes people it's a very powerful thing to start with like an emotional you know position and then rationalize from there yeah and like we all do that you know like myself included a thing where you want to come you want to say things and the other person says the same thing you both agree you agree to this weird mantra yeah and then you and you reinforce it yeah both of you yeah you just bounced it off each other and so we're both more sure both on the right team but the the weirdest part about it then was that so then they'd go like okay oh my god some kids went to spring break these evil killers like how could these kids do this they don't care about grandma and then two days later we're protesting and that's totally fine we're not going to get covered that way and then another day later it's like oh wait trump had a rally oh i mean this this is going to spread covet like crazy and it just got so bananas that it's like dude like your agenda is showing it's just obvious way and and you can maybe defend that agenda but that's an agenda yeah that's not science it's so inconsistent yeah yeah it's ridiculous it's not science but you know i think also people felt like this was a real chance for change and they were willing to take a risk you know that these protests were important because they they they represented enough is enough and that people are going to get out in the streets and even if windows got broken and things got lit on fire at the end of the day we're gonna fix all that calm it down and this is the idea behind it right yeah but i think if you really wanted to make a change then they couldn't have done a worse job of how they went about it and i understand it's a lot of different people so it's not like any one person you can blame but like if you uh like if you my buddy uh scott horton who's [ __ ] genius by the way uh scott horton at uh the libertarian institute uh and he uh oh i'm wearing a shirt but he uh he said and i really love this he said when black lives matter first came out he was like and he's like as against police brutality as any human being on the planet he's been writing about this for decades and he's like he goes don't call it black lives matter call it accountability for killer cops and just run with that like just run with the narrative that look this is what we want and it's something you can't argue for don't insert the racial thing it's going to get played in a million different ways it'll it ends up like creating all these dynamics that aren't helpful to getting to the root of the problem which is we want these five major policy reforms you know we want to you know accountability for killer cops and the war on drugs and qualified immunity and civil asset forfeiture you know like pick some really important things that would actually save lives and and go hard at those but the problem is that then you have the the way the movement goes and then you have the rioting and stuff like that in the looting and then this ends up turning a lot of people off who would maybe be sympathetic but don't you think that over and over again you see white cop black victim white cop black victim over and over and over again you see this narrative whether or not it's representative of of the interactions with cops as a whole it doesn't matter because those are the videos that go viral i think there's probably millions of interactions where nothing goes wrong at all but those don't matter what matters is when they do go viral so many times eric gardner this george floyd case so many times white cop black victim so they ha you have to acknowledge the racial aspect of it i think just by saying it justice against killer cops or get rid of killer cops you're you're not addressing the thing that is maybe most disturbing to many people is that it keeps being a white cop and a black man i think that there are there are certainly videos where that is the case there's also a lot of videos where that's not the case they don't get the same amount of play right but it does in the press but the ones that become viral these big stories but but the question might be why those ones become such big stories and the other ones don't my point is that if you when you play up the racial uh like aspect of it what you end up doing is then you so then you start having this conversation we're having more okay so about twice as many white people are unarmed white people are killed by cops every year than black people but black people aren't half the population of white people so black people are like 13 of the population so for them to be you know whatever it is like 40 or something like that of of the killings it is disproportionate then you have to take into account where the high crime neighborhoods are how many interactions they're having with police like i i understand there are these videos that go viral what happened to me in my opinion what happened to george floyd was like horrific and people should go to jail over that [ __ ] i think what happened to brianna taylor was horrific and people should go to jail over that [ __ ] it's not clear to me at all that race was a factor in those cases i could be wrong about that i just haven't really seen any evidence to suggest that it was but maybe it is i just think that you you end up going down this road so one of the the activists in uh minneapolis said this thing and this is where like woke-ism comes in to poison this [ __ ] from my perspective so he said uh they don't want to call it uh call it police brutality anymore they want to call it systemic racism because this is just another form of systemic racism forget the term police brutality and what ends up happening when you look at things that way is what you don't get rid of is police brutality what you end up getting rid of is aunt jemima you know it becomes a distraction of other issues rather than focusing on the major issues that you care about and to i'm just saying listen i'm just saying if you wanted to be effective i think black lives matter would be better off to share some of those videos of it happening to white people also and go look this isn't just black people's problem this is a cop on civilian problem this is a government authoritarian problem well there have been some that went viral the one that was most disturbing to me was the guy in phoenix i believe his last name was in the hallway yeah crawling they made him crawl and he kept reaching back to pick his pants up as they were falling down he's crying and banging for his life and the guy lit him up on the ground the worst one i've ever seen it's insane because he made the guy crawl to him and then he gunned him down as he was crawling to him and he's screaming at him the whole time yeah screaming at him well you know and he had a toy gun or something like that and they saw him with a toy gun out the window and they called in the swat team so they came in geared up and and revved up there's been a lot of police brutality videos the sandra bland one is particularly disturbing yeah she didn't do anything wrong like she's telling her to put her cigarette out in her car like who the [ __ ] are you to tell her when she got in jail yeah she hung herself or something happened or something yeah who knows we don't know that's part of the problem but the the racial aspect of it when you're a if you're a person who's a black person or any person of color and you see over and over again a white cop killing a black person whether it's representative i mean you're not gonna think when you see those videos oh well there's a million interactions and most of them are positive you're just gonna know your experiences with cops and if cops have bullied you and [ __ ] with you or maybe you've been a victim of police brutality yourself and then you're gonna think of how many times has been a white cop doing it to a black person and i think the number's not insignificant it has to be addressed yeah look i certainly understand why that would be a lot of people's perspective i i get that completely i'm just saying that from the way i look at it is like i think that for one like really for the first time that i've ever seen i thought leading up to the george floyd situation that right wingers were really getting red pilled on cops like they were actually getting really pissed off at the cops because the cops were the ones enforcing these lockdowns and they were against it and there was a lot of like stuff where right-wingers would be like can you believe these cops are actually doing this if they'll shut down you know they were shutting down churches that's something that pisses right-wingers off and there and so and then when the george floyd thing came out i think pretty much everybody not everybody but the vast majority of the public was like that is really horrible what happened to that guy yeah and i think there was a lot of energy that could have actually been used for real change and i think that what's happened since then has basically blown it because that you see what happens then when people see rioting and looting who do they who do they want they want the cops they want the cops back it's like it's almost like that was proof like it's almost like you're working to prove the right-wingers right about what they thought about the cops to begin with which is that well if we don't have cops this is what we have just looting and rioting and violence well if you don't have cops and then you have civil unrest and then also you have a bunch of people that have no money because they've been locked down for all this time and then you have opportunity because you get sheriffs like the one in santa monica that tells everybody to stand down then you have chaos yeah that's that's it's a recipe for disaster but it's also it's real easy to break things it's not so easy to fix them it's not so easy to bring it all back together again the way it was 11 months ago like try try getting there right now it's gonna take you 11 years well that's right and and you may never get it you might not you know i like one thing that i think uh that i think people the the ones who really wanted trump out and i understand why a lot of them did i think a lot of people just had like trump fatigue like they're like i just can't deal with this [ __ ] anymore like i just can't um but i think they they should realize the possibility that we're never going to a pre-trump world again like never 100 right you know and i think we may never go to a pre-coveted world again right and we may never go to a pre you know black lives matter world again like we might get closer to that than we are now but i don't know that we'll ever go back to that time completely in the same way that we never went to a pre-911 world again or a pre-kennedy assassination world again yeah there's there's certain events in our our history that they change us forever and this is most certainly one of those events but you probably could have said the same thing about the spanish flu although i don't think the government or the media was as sophisticated back then and there was a lot more there's a lot more hardship in the world period and and then what happened right after the spanish flu was the roaring 20s right that was immediately afterwards and then of course the great depression there's been a lot of ups and downs and hills and valleys back then but those people got through that and then stopped wearing masks so when it's weird when you see the photos from the spanish flu i never knew that they were wearing masks that people wore masks in public when you look at these old black and white photos it's really kind of interesting like you oh look at that it's almost like i know they're real pictures but if they weren't like someone's like photoshopped masks on these people and and pretended that there was a pandemic back then that's what it looked like it looked almost fake yeah yeah i know i've seen some of those uh those photos but i know what you mean where but i think like what you said is really the the heart of it that you go life was just so much harder back then here we go look at this yeah there's people sitting around looks like they're watching a baseball is a football game i think so yeah look at them they all have masks on crazy but they still went to see the game you hear about the flu being down dramatically look at these all these players have masks on isn't that nuts the football squad has masks on what year is that jamie i typed in spanish flu sport football game because i've never seen this picture so it says it's 1918 over this one too so wow that's nuts so did they ultimately come up with a vaccine for the spanish flu is that how look at that they're playing baseball with the [ __ ] masks on wow see doesn't that seem fake to you i know it's real yeah but it seems like what i don't i never saw these before like nobody ever that guy's a rebel see that guy right there he's on uh parlor he doesn't wear it like i also saw something that was like this was not actual they didn't wear masks but like i couldn't i couldn't i don't know which was actually accurate i think we got to stop people from wearing mouse in their twitter profiles [ __ ] stop that's basically the same thing as your pronouns in your bio it's basically the exact same thing stop letting everybody else know that you're a good person if you want to be a good person just go be a good person some people do podcasts with math song i've seen that really oh yeah i don't know oh my god oh yeah see by the way this is what i i hate all of this [ __ ] where it's like i how about like and this is one of the things that i hate about like wokism in general too is that it lets everybody kind of like pretend they're like let everyone else know they're a good person but you don't actually have to do [ __ ] did you see kamala harris at one of the press conferences wearing a mask while she was talking one of her speeches she had a mask on while she was speaking there's so many things that are so weird about this whole this whole response where you're like that doesn't even make sense even by your own life no one's near you you see when they [ __ ] you're on a podium so they cancelled the second debate between trump and biden and then they both had live events the night of the debate like they just both had an event that he did one with uh trump did one with nbc and uh biden did one with cnn anyway you guys so [ __ ] like get on a plane and [ __ ] debate each other like what are you doing well i think the first one was so aggressive like what what trump did was so disruptive and aggressive that it was a bad strategy yes and i think the second one was brilliant if he did in the first one what he did in the second one i think he would have much more momentum coming into the election or maybe if he had had the the middle one so there were three debates you know like if that one hadn't been canceled he would have had two more opportunities what was the third one well the third one was the one you're talking the second one the second one let's just talk about the actual yeah but i'm just saying like maybe if he had had another debate where he could have handled it the way he did in that second one also maybe if he had two performances like that a little bit right but i see what you're saying yeah if you just did that in the first without the bad one without the interrupty one that was just so hard to listen to it was like i was like god damn because you know that was when there was talk about like trump was tweeting that he wanted to come on here and have me and him and biden talked for four hours and i was like what would i do if he was doing that i would have to stop him i would have to say hey man i get sir i know i understand you're the president mr trump you can't do that because you got to let the guy talk and then don't say anything and then you talk like this is the only way this is going to work yeah but i think you would have handled it like that in a way better way than uh than chris wallace he's doing the best he could and he's also he's got 90 minutes which is preposterous and they have two minutes to answer questions which is ridiculous these are really important questions like why do you have two minutes like what if after two minutes like i think i got a better way to say that no shut the [ __ ] up stop two minutes are over sir your time is up your time is up like what what kind of why is there a race it's insane it makes no sense at all and that's what one of my favorite things about this show is that you've almost proven i think it's part of the reason why so many so many of those establishment types like resent you a lot for it is that you've proven that their whole model is stupid like this model is stupid well you have a show where people need time to unpack things and have a long conversation if you're talking about really serious complex issues the idea that we're debating who gets to have the nuclear football but we've got to do it in this limited time and you'll have 30 seconds each it's awesome it's [ __ ] they don't know what they're going to talk about that's important too one of the important things about podcasts is there's no no one ever sits down with like okay we're going to hit this and then we're going to hit that and alex jones tried to the producer well he came with his list he had things that he wanted to talk about that were important yeah he that he felt were important but that's not what you're saying you're talking about more of like the scripted i'm talking about me bringing things up with them like if if i said sir your job reform or you know job numbers and have elevated what do you attribute that to like that kind of [ __ ] where they get to prepare if you have enough time to let these guys talk just talk and no pressure whatsoever on figuring out how to answer a a sentence or a subject rather coherently you're going to get a better understanding of who that person is now with trump everybody thinks they already have a good understanding who he is because he goes in these long rambling self-serving diatribes about subjects but to have just to see that if you get him to calm down a little and see biden and him talking through things just let him talk let him talk through things let biden say something about trump let trump say something about biden don't say you only have two minutes don't say any of that [ __ ] just let them talk see with that see what happens god i wish that would have happened that would have been fascinating that really would have been and by the way i think trump because trump is kind of a master troll i think he knew that biden would never agree to it and that's half the reason why i did it no he would never [ __ ] agree there's no way it would that would not have been good it would be so beneath him to come here too like what are you doing but would it though i mean dude you're [ __ ] kind of ways well yeah i guess i think the corporate press would have lost their [ __ ] if they because if they lose that to you then they've just lost everything would you would you have trump on ex president trump it just doesn't seem like a smart move at this point but i think all of those like like in a year i don't know we're talking a year that'd be great dude he's going to run again if he maybe they boot him out of office in 2024 he's going to start running in january right yeah he's going to run for four years he's going to talk [ __ ] for four years i have a feeling trump's uh they're going to really come after him and his post presidency i think he's going to get kicked off twitter i think he's going to get completely like the alex jones treatment on social media and i think that there's going to be they're legally going to try to come after him i just think there's no way you're right they can't just let him they can't just let him be trump which would be amazing but they can't just let him be trump he he's literally he could set up his own oval office and say i am the real president i'm the real president this is now the oval office and i'm i'm giving the military commands from here they stole it from me didn't you have some wacky painting with like him sitting there and like all the other presidents behind him with like his their hands on his shoulder or something am i remembering this correctly i don't i don't know this i think he had something in the oval office that was like really preposterous where people saw it and like what in the [ __ ] are you doing just believe it there it is right there [Laughter] i mean they're all sitting around ronald reagan's at the table nixon's there lincoln lincoln he's uh he's next to eisenhower is he the only one to tie no who's eisenhower's a tie as well no i don't know roosevelt roosevelt has a tie yeah eisenhower's in the yellow eisenhower's relaxed he's retired that's good reagan and there's gw in there is that the pain that he has on his wall trump hangs fantasy painting with other gop presidents at the white house look at that so he's got this present them all yuck yuck yucking away we're all having a great old time with you oh wow lincoln's there oh how weird is that imagine they're all looking at trump when lincoln's alive you'd be like hey man what was it like in 1776 you you wouldn't be you wouldn't be talking to trump that's hilarious him with his red tie they would all be staring at lincoln going jesus how'd you get here what's going on probably you'd be like holy [ __ ] eisenhower's alive holy [ __ ] blinky holy [ __ ] yeah you just pulled lincoln and eisenhower aside eisenhower's speech about the military-industrial complex when he's leaving office is to this day one of the most chilling things i've ever seen it's right up there with oppenheimer talking about uh quoting the bhagavad gita after you detonated the bomb yeah it's like whoa yeah what is this thing like i am the maker of death or something well he quotes uh shiva i am become death destroyer of worlds yeah yeah that is uh that's creepy but eisenhower's thing i think i could be wrong about this but i believe that trump when in the clip we played earlier is the second president to ever use the term military industrial complex i don't know i could be wrong about that but i've never heard another president say the term military-industrial complex other than eisenhower and his farewell address and and trump and um that and it was particularly you know crazy coming from eisenhower who's the [ __ ] general you know like he is the guy who led the victory in world war ii which leads to this creation of really what we know as the military-industrial complex and even as he's going he's like listen let me tell you something yeah we've created something here that we got to really worry about because we're not america anymore the way we've been before this now we have a whole industry that's pushing toward war and we got to guard against this power and he specifically he says sought or unsought there's a really interesting way to put it it's like even if they're not trying to there's kind of these natural forces of like you're a weapons company so what do you think yeah you think we should have a bigger military budget or a smaller one right probably a bigger one right and then it's like so all of these forces and then the next president after eisenhower is uh jfk who uh you know some [ __ ] went down there too so it's wrapped it up real quick yeah so there's just there's a lot of really you know kind of interesting history there but that we let's just say we didn't listen to eisenhower and we did not guard against power sought by the military-industrial complex yeah it's um what it's such an interesting choice too because i guess he had the ability to say whatever he wanted in the nation's address being the president like it seems pretty clear that he didn't have to run that by anyone and you wonder what do they have to run by now when you have the discussion where people say oh they always lie when they want to get into president into office and then they get into office they don't do [ __ ] they don't do any of the things they said they were going to do what happens when you get in there you know is it like the bill hicks joke where they show you an angle of the kennedy assassination and then you go well what's my agenda um is that it or is it do they show you a real model of the world that you're not privy to if you're not the president do they sit you down and talk about all the threats and the problems and how it all really works and ties together like what is it it's and and it's you know i i don't know but it's also possible that it's kind of somewhere in between where there's maybe they're not you know showing you the kennedy assassination film like the great bill hicks joke but you know look i know that donald trump got in there and he ran on we're ending all of these wars and that's it these were now you know from like a trumpian perspective it wasn't like a ron paul you know like these wars kill all these innocent people it was like a trump like this is bad business you know we're wasting money on these wars so we're ending them like i'm too smart for them uh trump is blasting the military-industrial complex but he's one of its biggest boosters well that's that's true too that's that's for sure has made the purchase public display and foreign sales of military hardware a major priority of his administration yeah i found two articles that were talking about like he says the stuff about the military-industrial complex however his actions say differently like he gave them more money than anybody ever oh yeah no there were increased defense budgets uh under donald trump for sure right but they're also he's he do you think he really actually is trying to get out of these countries though i mean you could do both things right you can increase the defense budget but not do it in an offensive way increase it defensively increase the amount of money that you give to the troops their ability to fight isis the ability to make new weapons and innovate yeah you could do both things simultaneously right i think that at least from everything i've read that he really is trying to get out of afghanistan and that he really is trying to work out a deal to end that war here says the idea that trump is taking on the defense industrial base is pure fantasy a national security action uh national security action a liberty advocacy group composed a former obama administration staffers said on tuesday all right we're good jamie but look i mean there is i will say though to trump's credit he did avoid getting us in another war and there were some opportunities yeah um and he he avoided he flirted with it um certainly in iran uh and and and really in venezuela as well but he never got us into that war and there were definitely a lot of people around him who really wanted him to get into those wars yeah and he did avoid that um but you know like when he first came in and he was running on uh like ending all of these wars the guy the military guy who he made his uh national security adviser was flynn like that was his guy who was going to come in and lead us out of these wars and what happened immediately the nsa and the fbi targeted flynn got dirt on him got him removed and then they get somebody else in there so it might be also that they don't necessarily have to like threaten your family or show you the angle of jfk but they could just be like well we're just going to remove all the people from your cabinet who we don't like kind of get our people in there and keep the machine rolling that flinch hit the spooky because you think that a guy gets to that level the military he's immune to that not him no and he is from what i've heard like a little bit of a crazy guy um but he was not working with the russians that was just complete [ __ ] and and uh they had nothing fbi completely set him up it's just so amazing that they can do that what's up jamie i was just like i'd complete his remember he wanted to run that parade where he did actually do it where he brought in all the tanks and missiles and troops and [ __ ] showed off everything we have oh yeah yeah that was a big thing he wanted no trump was not my [ __ ] basically look at my giant metal cop out there dragging it down the street that's basically what it all came down to [ __ ] dave it's so depressing what can you do what do you do to stay happy what do you do what do i do yeah what do you do to avoid just getting sucked into this constant state well i uh existential woe i i got a perfect little two-year-old and uh you know i i love my wife so but that's but really that's the best you can do is try to try to like uh get good people around you in your life be good to them create your own little world as much as you can um and then i think that you like the the best thing is to try to keep perspective that even with all the [ __ ] up [ __ ] in the world there's always been a ton of [ __ ] up [ __ ] in the world and people have always people have persevered through far worse than what we're going through right now and i think that's kind of the best out you know take to have that's what keeps me sane yeah right make your your little circle happy who are you around the people you're around be kind be friendly have a good time be nice to each other enjoy your time together enjoy each other's company yeah just not that's you know when you think about what you can do in terms of impacting the world or impacting the country it's real it's a cliche to say start with the people that are around you it really is cliche but it is kind of true because you do have a ripple effect on the way you treat people and the friendships you have and that how it affects other people and the more good people that you're around the more they affect other people there's really some kind of a ripple effect if we get more people to adopt it that's where mushroom legalization comes in yeah well that's like that's uh they had some good uh they had some good victories for mushrooms oregon's like [ __ ] it do coke yeah oregon's like look if you're gonna light everything on fire all the time how about do mushrooms do whatever the [ __ ] you want just stop lighting things on fire yeah but you know what it's the it by the way it's great that they did that and it's the smartest thing to do the the whole the the whole idea of drugs being illegal the war on drugs is so misguided and just awful and just ruins people's lives creates black markets leads to violent crime destroys neighborhoods it's uh at least i'd say probably 60 of the entire immigration problem is just the war on drugs you know they constantly they'll be like well there's these gang members who are smuggling drugs over the borders and it's like well yeah why because there's a demand for them and it's a black market and it's illegal so this is where you get it from and yeah of course there's crime associated with that too i mean it's like so it is the and mushrooms is just the idea that it's illegal is insane i mean it's like it's a first of you can't get addicted physically i don't think you could get addicted your body will reject it after a certain point of time like you can't it's never made anyone do anything [ __ ] well people okay maybe not that's an overstatement it's especially broken people it's not a huge problem that people are taking mushrooms and committing violent crimes there's just really no justification for it especially when there's alcohol all over the place yeah come on [ __ ] liquor stores every other corner it's it's too easy to get some drugs and impossible to get others and the fact that the ones that are super beneficial like there's a study that i posted the other day on my instagram that they showed that psilocybin therapy is four times more effective for treating depression than than antidepressants that we're currently using yeah i mean there's the war on drugs somebody wrote an article that the war on drugs was uh that drugs were a big winner in 2020 in the war on drugs because of the elections drugs won in a lot of places like legalize marijuana in new jersey montana portland says [ __ ] it let's go with everything i think uh the drugs have fought a real guerrilla strategy in the war on drugs it's been 40 years of the cops just kicking their [ __ ] ass but drugs never gave up they always hung in there they disappear and then they come back strong like what what drugs have gone down in usage during the war on drugs what drugs what drugs have people's maybe hair not even heroin because pills like shooting up maybe yeah i mean i i don't even know shooting out no quality some things have gone away that were really right but they don't pass yeah but i think it's unrelated to the legality of it and i think these things kind of ebb and flow right like there was like crack cocaine came and kind of left and then heroin like got big again but they were all illegal the whole time it's not like they were gone because they're illegal people who are doing heroin people who are throwing their lives away with really hard drugs are not affected by a law and people who would never do heroin are not going to start doing heroin because it's legal do you remember just say no you're younger i was young for that but i do remember it yeah i remember i was i believe i was in high school i remember it was around that maybe i was early 20s but i remember seeing that going what in the [ __ ] did you just say just say no oh you fixed it yeah we didn't i think that was an option i didn't know you could just say no if only someone had given me this tool there's certain things in the past that are just like you look back you what do you remember the yell the codes for like what what's the possibility of a terrorist attack where it code orange like oh [ __ ] it's code orange what does that mean and it was so much just to keep everyone in a state of fear uh oh do you guys see we went from orange to red today oh that's bad code red what do they know that we don't know that's what california is in now for the covet stuff for like they're in purple whatever they're like purple's your dick turned your dick gangrene you won't let you leave the house for eight months but it is it's always like when you've got like a decade to look back at the [ __ ] that's when you always see how full of [ __ ] the government was yeah like oh they were so full of [ __ ] about that they're full that's when you look back and you see you know dick cheney going we're gonna find those weapons of mass destruction they're here somewhere and you're like oh he was just lying to all of us this was complete [ __ ] huh what was the was it colin powell that said the uh the proof might come in the form of a mushroom cloud i believe that was condoleezza rice who said that uh but colin powell went to the u.n with drawings of saddam hussein's mobile wmd like [ __ ] trucks or something and he was like this is where they go down here and this is where they go it's just all made up nonsense but just like really selling it like really i wonder what they told him i wonder if he believed it while he was saying it you know because he didn't seem like the type of guy be lying about something like that but then they always he's like the one that they kind of like vindicate later like he's supposed to be the good one he never you know behind closed doors he really never wanted this war it's like but then he went and sold it to everybody wouldn't that make him even worse like i mean look you can resign like that is an option you don't have to just go like well i'm against this but they want me to sell a war based on lies so gotta be a team player and go you know get the country in a war how about don't do that do you think that he ever really did believe it though was there maybe a time where he got the evidence and he was like oh [ __ ] this is real i don't know i think that um he was you know he was a part of the first iraq war and i think that there's there my guess is that there might be part of him who really wanted to go [ __ ] take saddam out as you could imagine if you were leading a military invasion and some of your men were killed by this guy even though not too many were killed but i'm sure you'd have a personal a personal thing and so i think that might have been part of it i think they all you know you can't remove it from the context that george h.w bush's you know presidency they fought a war in iraq and then w's in there and now all of a sudden basically was handed a blank check for war like well 911 just happened what do you want what war do you want you got it because whatever one you decide but make it a good one you know remember how many people were behind it though oh yeah oh my god it was a blind patriotism time folks who don't remember you're too young in in 2001 when the iraq war hit before excuse me when 9 11 hit we were overwhelmed by american flags on cars it was crazy like it was way way different than anything i'd seen before you would drive to work and everyone would have an american flag on their car so i remember looking around going whoa this is nuts but there was also this weird feeling of unity like people were letting people in front of them in their lane there were this weird feeling of we're together well it's a really intere it's really interesting that you you say that because you're right it was the most unified we we've ever been and that almost is the other part that unity isn't necessarily good like unity can go in some bad places too so you know what joe biden's call for unity now we had real unity uh after 9 11 i mean as much as you you could have and what we did was basically get behind george w bush as he ruined the 21st century we thought we were getting behind george w bush because we thought there was weapons of mass destruction in iraq and he was going to go in there and take him out yeah but it's much easier when everybody's unified and behind a leader it's much easier to be persuaded that he's doing this great thing for all of us and yeah i think people were behind him for somewhat noble reasons like yeah we're going to go get the guys who got us um and by the end of george bush's you know like nowadays looking back at george bush it's hard for people who were like young then or weren't alive then to even imagine that he was a really popular president because by the end he had given us two disastrous wars in the worst economy well he was really popular right after 9 11 yeah like he he gave a great speech i loved him yeah i was in yeah we were all in remember we had that mission accomplished banner over that yeah and everybody was like what the [ __ ] are you talking about we're still there and we're still there yeah we're still there now mission accomplished yeah what's the mission well i i suppose he could say we took out saddam hussein yeah i mean if that was the mission like okay i was watching saddam hussein's trial yesterday oh yeah i watched watched it on youtube it popped up and it's let me watch this it was wild he's screaming at the judge he screamed at the judges one of his guys who works for us in his underwear like like it was so strange and he's screaming at the god that he wouldn't uh that judge that he wouldn't let them have a prayer break do you remember do you ever see that part where he's like we should have a prayer break now and he's like this is a court of law and he's like is this greater than allah and likes yelling at it but it's really weird it's crazy dude he looked secular though his administration was well relatively for for that part of the world but he was still you know like i mean it's they're they're all muslims you know and like you but it was really crazy they think this dictator who ruled over this country with an iron fist is now sitting there with a judge you know like telling him what to do and it's just a very weird [ __ ] dynamic yeah but that that war really [ __ ] destroyed the [ __ ] region man yeah it was such a bad idea to [ __ ] overthrow saddam hussein it was like the worst foreign policy decision forget even just like the like oh this is you know evil we're gonna kill all these innocent people just the like you are gonna destroy this region and just throw it into chaos and isn't it weird that the idea of overthrowing an evil dictator can be a bad idea yeah it's weird right well you say like well you know i don't necessarily agree that we're the police force the world but i do think that if anybody's going to do it it's going to be the united states right so let's go in and take out this bad guy but it's not that simple not at all not at all yeah no when and even like supporting a dictator sometimes it's like the best option in terms of like the loss of overall life that's the best which is a really weird decision like you have to you have to support someone who you know is terrorizing their people because if you don't then you get what's in libya yeah which is like a failed state yeah it's crazy so much worse for the for regular people than it was under gaddafi do you remember the video of them capturing gaddafi when they got shoves a knife up his ass yep and he's just standing there he's in such shock dragging him beating him sodomizing him yeah he realized that they had him yeah and he realized that they had him and he's surrounded by all these people and this just look just full shock the guy shoves a knife up his ass yeah like you see the guy do it and he's standing there like oh this knife goes up his ass like what imagine of this country that you've ruled over for decades [ __ ] just all of a sudden they've got you he ruled over when i was a kid yeah yeah he was he was the boogeyman for a while and then put him in place right the united states put him in place i feel like i'm sure about that there was something either he or we supported him once he got him we did we support him we supported him at one period in fact we were we were working with him uh after 9 11. he was really cooperating with the george w bush administration um he was ratting out terrorists giving us the [ __ ] terrorists he turned over all his chemical weapons and stuff he wanted to play ball he saw what the bush administration was doing and he was like okay i'm getting on team america here and uh that didn't do any good one of my favorite hillary clinton videos was her laughing after he was dead yeah her her going we came we saw he died yeah it's like hey hillary like one of her handlers has to be like hey we're reminding you you're trying to convince these people you're human yeah there is this guy's is it a stick i don't think so there's a knife i think so whatever he's shoving something up is it's a frame by frame breakdown and that is a knife yeah that's all that was let me do that again right up his ass like dude i'm gonna be the guy you know how they have that flag is planted in iwo jima all the troops and they're standing there holding up that flag i wonder if where that guy lives they gotta they got a bronze statue of him with the knife going right up saddam hussein's [ __ ] yeah uh gaddafi's oh excuse me gaddafi not official i don't think so because the country's completely been destroyed since then so that if they did have that statue it's probably fallen down and been melted and yeah turn into bullets yeah turn on the bullets are helped the slave trade there and so we've seen the slave trade on youtube where you could watch the video in libya yeah yeah insane yeah and say like slave auctions and this was by the way this is uh what this this whole thing we're talking about overthrowing gaddafi destroying the country leading to the open air slave trade markets this was all done under obama's administration with hillary clinton pushing for it with joe biden as the vice president so again just the idea that like oh yay trump's gone and we've returned to normal all right but if normal is you know getting us into wars in uh libya in syria and yemen continuing the wars in iraq and afghanistan there's some pretty uh negative aspects to normal so what let's let's play not even devil's advocate but let's imagine what do you do if you don't help them overthrow libya if you do decide this guy's an evil dictator and has been for decades you want to get him out but what do you do do you fund the people that are trying to get him out if that doesn't work and what if it does work and they get him they get him out and they kill him like they did how do you ensure that democracy gets instituted when it's never been successful anywhere else that we've overthrown is there one place that we've overthrown they're like look at them now they're doing great uh germany and japan uh that would be that would be the examples right in germany and japan however in order to achieve that we had to fight the bloodiest war in human history and straight up target civilians i mean in order to achieve that we had to just straight up be like yeah we're dropping bombs on women and children intentionally not like their collateral damage like we're nuking cities in japan and that seems like that doesn't seem like it's going to be achieved in the middle east i think the idea that we can do anything to ensure that there's a fair democratic process in libya is just so beyond absurdity we are having trouble doing that here like the the washington dc washington has a huge crime problem these politicians can't even figure out crime in washington d.c right the idea that they're going to take on the crime problem in libya is like so beyond absurd i just think like that this country was never founded to be be the policeman of the world we're not supposed to be an empire even though we are it's empires crumble and die is it we need to entirely particularly now when we have so many problems at home entirely get out of the empire business it's we can try to like spread good ideas be a city on a hill be like hey guys this is a better way to run society but the idea that we have to get into the the internal politics of whether libya has a dictator or a democracy or like democracy is not necessarily any better of a situation if 60 of the people there want to kill the other 40 percent democracy ain't gonna work out very well give everybody a vote who are they going to vote for so what do you do you just hope they figure it out on their own yeah i think so but i mean look it's not it's like that's just the way the world works i don't think we i don't think we have a right to impose our will on on other people and i don't think it's effective to impose our will on other people and look at the results we're just wasted trillions of dollars we don't have for all of these post-9 11 wars we don't have one victory to show even anything that's even remotely close to a victory every one of the countries we've been in is worse off now than it was before we got into them afghanistan's worse iraq's worse libya's worse syria's worse yemen is way way worse so it's just outside of libya and yemen couldn't is it possible to say that the rest of the world is better off the way iraq is and the way afghanistan is today uh iran is better off for sure iran is better off they've taken over complete influence of that regeneration so the ideas of our enemies are and now there are enemies again now now that's the problem that basically that's the problem that since the end of the bush administration all through the obama administration and and into trump is that now their big problem is you know iran just has all this influence in the region what are we going to do about that it's like well maybe if you didn't [ __ ] fight a war on behalf of iran then they wouldn't have so much influence so there are there are winners like to all of this stuff honestly you know the big winner is the biggest winner of all of this says this is osama bin laden he got exactly what he wanted he drew america into these [ __ ] conflicts this was literally his plan was i will we could never destroy america but we could lure america into the middle east and make themselves spend themselves into debt you know like unravel their whole extend themselves way too far militarily this is how you get empires to collapse this was his plan well that was how they got rid of the soviet union right yeah we and rcia taught him how to do it yeah when he was with uh the mujahideen yeah when the soviet union was occupying afghanistan and they couldn't figure it out and they were like we got this we'll figure out how to do it right yeah it's it's just no one ever no one ever gets it right after you get rid of a dictator like we don't have any examples other than hitler right yeah well it's i mean i'm sure there are other examples of getting rid of a dictator but usually it has to come from the people right kind of like you know like realizing they want something better but of us getting rid of someone is there any time that with the united states overthrew a dictator and then everything got better yeah i mean i again i guess japan if you consider the emperor or whatever it is he bowed down right didn't he just surrender ultimately was he still in charge no and i don't know that he ever was really in charge the different culture there's yeah it's a very different culture it's a different circumstance and also but look like the thing you were saying the problem with overthrowing a dictator is that and it's something that people should consider in a lot of these situations that things can be worse you know like i mean maybe sometimes it couldn't be much worse you know what i mean yeah okay you're not gonna get much worse than hitler or stalin i mean i guess but it's hard to imagine but they would say like we went to war in world war one with the the you know the the precursor to nazi germany you know there's that right and it's not to say that there weren't any problems in like the prussian empire or in the german monarchs or anything like that but you could go well look they're a bad guy we're going to get rid of them it's like okay we'll look at what you have now it's really amazing that we've only dropped two nuclear bombs the two atomic bombs have gone off you want some of that yeah it's kind of amazing that no other country's ever done that well it's also because then the soviets figured out the nuclear bomb and then ever since there was more than one country the only time nukes have ever been dropped is when only one country had nukes and so there is something there about like the fact that people are scared to death of someone else also using nukes yeah kind and we've also never been to direct war with a nuclear-armed power yeah we don't [ __ ] with people with nukes no huge mutually assured destruction is real oh yeah it really does make people uh act in a certain way which is really you know in some ways counter-intuitive because you think oh there's more nukes in the world there's going to be more nuclear attacks in the world but actually it turns out that the the elites of this world have a lot more in common with each other than they do with me or you and so they kind of all have this gentleman's agreement where it's like look we'll have our soldiers go out and kill each other but let's not do anything that like it's like when even in the cold war they'd be like we'll fight it out in vietnam but like no one's going to russia no one's coming to america we're not going to actually you know do something where we could get [ __ ] over what i was getting to is i i wonder if that's always going to be the case because here we are you know obviously uh 1947 that wasn't about dropped the bombs 45 45. so it's quite a while ago yeah but not in the terms of like the age of the earth not at all in terms of history you know if in in historical times if you look back on 1745 versus 1820 it doesn't it's not that big of a difference it's not that when you go to 1545 to 16 20. in your eyes it's like the same time yeah like how that's so there's world war ii vets who are alive right now 15 45 14 45 to 15 20 like that ain't [ __ ] that's nothing yeah so it could happen again the way we look at kovid now the way we look at a pandemic now having just gone through it we could be looking at a nuclear holocaust the same way we could we could be looking at someone detonating a bomb in chicago we could be looking at the possibility that we are really locked down like there really are draconian measures to ensure safety and security because they have detonated a nuclear bomb in american city yes right now that sounds like horseshit yeah but the idea of world war ii or world war one would have sounded crazy to people uh before it happened then it really all happened and then not only did they go to world war one then they did it again 20 years later they just went up we're doing it again which is for us the year 2000 which is like yesterday yes that's right yeah so it really never stopped yeah that's right i mean it's like even when uh you you think about like um you know like the beef with iran or something like that and they'll be like you know like the cia overthrew their government in 1953 and then in 1979 they overthrew that government and they've basically hated america ever since you know and you're like but 1953 to 1979 that's like bill clinton to now yeah like i remember bill clinton's presidency yeah i mean like you know it's a while ago but it's like no if someone like just some other government overthrew bill clinton i'd still remember that right now i'd be like yeah these [ __ ] came in and like overthrew our government it's just so easy for us to get used to what we're used to yeah do you ever hear the uh albert einstein quote which i might butcher but it was something like uh he said he goes i don't know what weapons will be used to fight world war iii but world war iv will certainly be fought with rocks and sticks yeah there's something like that i might be butchering it a little bit basically like at this point we're at a place where we really camped war it's war is end game i mean war with like russia or china or anyone like that that's even like when people are like oh we got to get china back for what they did with this virus it's like okay but our options are limited yeah when you got countries with a whole bunch of h-bombs your your options are limited as to what you can do putin world war iii wipe out civilization putin warren adding world war iv will be fought with sticks and stones oh he's a he's a hack did putin just steal einstein i think he he's probably quoted kind of great if putin was just like i just thought of that maybe he's doing that like an homage to joe biden pine's been busted plagiarizing a bunch of times oh yeah yeah it's i think um our version of what's possible is based entirely on what we've experienced i mean just like we never remembered those photos of those people with masks on in 1918 you know our version of reality pre-covid has been forever altered now that we know that kova exists yeah and there's so many other things that could happen to us this is the thing we're so fragile we always hear about these comets that are whizzing by and these asteroids that get really close to earth like one of those [ __ ] could slam into us and i've had some people on that have studied their whole life uh versions of these scenarios where civilization has been forced to repeat itself because of the fact that we were hit and that this has probably happened multiple times over the ascension of human civilization and that it's one of the reasons why you have these um ancient structures in egypt that are very different in the the way they're constructed versus the ones from cleopatra's era or versus the ones from uh like uh the when the time where they built the great pyramid of giza right and isn't there like um cause i remember reading about this like a decade ago but i so i might not know that much about it but isn't there stuff that like the the water erosion on the sphinx or something like that where they can't figure out how this lines up with the time period because you're like this is from like way older yeah you hear that great bit about it and uh yeah talking monkeys in space but that whole thing that's like yeah but but in all seriousness it does seem like there's pretty strong indications that civilization is much older than the official history books of like it starts in ancient city yeah years ago graham hancock has spent a giant chunk of his life talking about this and he brought in dr robert shock who's a geologist from boston university and john anthony west who's a late great egyptologist i i've had on the podcast a couple of times and they are all committed to this idea that it's very likely that what we see in egypt in terms of things that they can date to 2000 bc this is just one error and that there's likely multiple errors before that and the big one the big piece of evidence is the water erosion in the temple the great sphinx because they know that they cut these stones out in order to create the sphinx but there's massive water erosion on these rocks and the last time there was significant rainfall in the nile valley was 9000 bc so instead of 2500 bc now it's 9000 bc and then they have to think well this is thousands of years of rainfall that caused this erosion so we might be talking 10 000 11 000 bc so they don't really know when all this happened but they do think that it coincides with the end of the ice age at the end of the ice age there's a dramatic climate change that's somewhere around 12 000 years ago and which would put it around 10 000 bc somewhere around 12 000 years ago this is where randall carlson and and graham hancock and a bunch of others have um have really gotten into this younger driest impact theory and that is somewhere between 12 000 and 10 000-ish years ago and it might have been multiple occasions we were hit and that this was a essentially a restart of civilization in a lot of areas and an end to the ice age in a lot of areas as well and randall carlson's work is [ __ ] spectacular when he showed you these images that indicate massive melting of ice over a spectacular uh landscape in a really amazingly short period of time like a couple days worth of water pouring through like [ __ ] trillions of gallons permanently moving the landscape changing it moving stones and he has all these images and what's even crazier is he got this idea when he was looking at this one area on acid once and he was like what happened here and he got this idea he's like what is this and then he starts researching the end of the eye search and he starts researching common impacts and then they start finding all this corresponding evidence in in um when they do core samples so he's doing core samples and they find all this iridium and all this nuclear glass impact glass they find all this [ __ ] around the same area around 12 000 years ago and like oh my god and so he starts he's a brilliant guy and he can talk about this forever and they think that it's highly likely that there was uh not just here but in many parts of the world there was massive impacts that probably didn't kill everybody but probably basically shut down all progress for who knows how many hundreds if not thousands of years and then what you're seeing when you're looking at 2500 bc and all their amazing structures was the knowledge they had left and all that and a lot of that was lost to the library of alexandria getting burnt down right so the stuff that they built later is spectacular but they had been building pretty amazing [ __ ] for most likely thousands of years before we thought they were yeah maybe we're due for a reset well that's the scary thing right this is not really [ __ ] really [ __ ] [ __ ] that people are saying out there you're like maybe that's the right thing maybe we're due for a nice old-fashioned reset well douglas murray uh who i had on the podcast said that when people when civilizations start crumbling that's when people get obsessed with gender and i said really and he goes yeah he goes it's in ancient rome and ace and greece there's like a lot of transvestites and a lot of people swapping genders and change it's almost like a dissolving of all classifications and barriers and all the things that we took for granted as society when society really starts falling apart they start questioning every last fiber of of of what it means to be a person and what it means to fit into the culture well you know i like uh like i became like politically radicalized and from ron paul's campaigns like that's really where i got when i got interested in in politics like around 2007 2008 when he was running for for president and i just love still this day love the guy i think he's the like the greatest hero ever um but he would always talk about how like look we're on basically this path toward national suicide my words not his but he'd be like we're on this unsustainable path where we're spending way more than we can afford to spend we're way too extended militarily and this is how nations collapse and this is like it's going to happen if we keep going this way so i always kind of had that view in my head and then to see what's happened with all the cultural stuff over the last you know like 10 years while all of that other stuff is going on too and you're like this really feels like the end of an event like a collapsing empire it really feels like that well they taught us that in school that all empires eventually collapse whether it's ancient greece ancient rome all these emperors yeah they all controlled everything and they they all eventually fell apart and it's under very similar circumstances like they're extended too far they spend themselves too far into debt they can't maintain it anymore the culture kind of collapses like decadence and all this other [ __ ] it does seem like we have a lot of that oh yeah yeah but but that that isn't necessarily bad like sometimes empires collapse and it's actually it's okay for the people in that country i mean like it was okay for england when the british empire collapsed i mean world war ii was bad but the afterward you know there's still an okay country for for the soviet union that collapsing was the best thing that ever happened you know that's where those arguments always strange right because that's the same argument they used about genghis khan opening up the path for trade you know he killed 10 of the population well yes in the long run look but you got a new rug yeah he's good you get a nice statue you know who would really love this rug oh he's dead whoops forget it um does rand paul share most of ron paul's ideas um i don't know i mean i think probably a lot you know he is his son i know ron paul made him read all the right stuff of growing up you know um but he definitely has some areas of disagreement and he's also just a different i think he's a different person and has different you know uh strengths and weaknesses and and wasn't quite as uh charismatic wasn't as charismatic wasn't as much of a happy warrior ron paul was really he really enjoyed going out there and telling people the truth as he saw it and talking to people and just and he didn't really care if you know it was always kind of like ron paul would say things at the republican debates and it'd be like hey look you guys might boo me out of the the arena and that's fine i'm gonna go home to my family and i told the truth it's the truth whether you like it or not and that's fine you can do that and i'll leave and rand always i think it bothered him a little bit more and um but you know rand is i i think for to me like one of the best senators and i think he's done a lot he did a lot to really push donald trump on um uh the uh the criminal criminal justice reform uh he's tried his best to push him on ending the wars i don't know how successful he's been at that but uh but i don't know that he's gonna inspire people in the same way his father did i hope he does someone has to but isn't that what we're always looking for we're always looking for a hero when really we need a decentralized government well yeah but that doesn't that doesn't mean you can't have leaders or somebody who like kind of we're done with leaders we're done with leaders dave yeah tried it out it doesn't work well but i don't mean there's a difference between leaders and rulers right like you don't want a ruler right but there's there's people who inspire you who you learn from and stuff like that you want to you want a leader that doesn't want to be a ruler yes exactly that's what ron paul was yeah isn't that the problem though the problem is they get into power like this is one we're seeing with low-level people like like governors like the worst governors they they just they're you know there's all these lawsuits against newsom and he lost one of them recently because he's an autocrat now he's telling people what they can do he's writing legislation did you see uh when um tucker carlson had uh governor murphy from new jersey on his show and he and it was it was like right at the height of kovid like i think it might have been in may or something like that but it was still like you know pretty new none of it and uh so like everyone's no one's given i hadn't seen one tough interview with one of these governors like every time they came on some news show it was just like oh my god you're saving all these lives and you're wonderful and thank you for all of this and then they have their press conferences they take some questions but it wasn't tucker just starts grilling this guy and he asked him at one point he goes okay so recently there was like a church service that you shut down and you arrested four jewish people for being at temple and he goes what right do you have to do that he goes i mean in the bill of rights it's very clearly defined that the right to religious you know expression is you know he's like so so where do you get the authority to shut down a a place of worship and he goes uh he goes well um you know we weren't thinking about the bill of rights when we did this we're just trying to keep people safe and then he goes uh he was like yeah but where do you get the authority and he goes well that's above my pay grade you're like you're the governor that's exactly your pay grade that's that's exactly what you're paying but so that's just what like that's the mentality that's swept over these people it's a lot it reminds me a lot of the george w bush mentality of like you know instituting torture and all these other things like well what about laws against this it's like 911 man right i don't know about laws and rules but [ __ ] we're here yeah and so we're you know like we they feel like because this thing happened i don't got to worry about silly little things like the [ __ ] bill of rights who's got time for that we got to be careful they don't pass an act and give it a good name like the patriot act exactly like you can't be a non-patriot a piece of [ __ ] pass the patriot act they if they come up with something like the safety act let's keep grandma live act they do this all the time no but for this one did you see about the uh the anti-lynching bill that there was like an anti-lynching bill and they would blast people for being like against the so-and-so like rand paul he was one of those he voted against the anti-lynching bill and you're like okay wait first of all what else was in there isn't lynching already illegal yeah like so so explain to me what exactly was in there and then it turns out that rand paul's problem was that this like he goes this like really broadly defines what a hate crime is and now it seems that like if someone were to like get in a bar fight you could like give them like 20 years under like some hate crime legislation he's like let's slow down on that that seems a little crazy like and then they're like you're just for lynching and it's like wait this is really weird dude you can't just name a bill something and then say if you're for but you know patriot act all this [ __ ] yeah what it all is they should not be able to name bill's provocative names they should just have numbers yes you know and that's it you only get a number you can't get a name names have a lot of [ __ ] attached to them yeah absolutely especially anti-lynching but there's and there's all but even like you know they call obamacare the affordable care act everything they put is like this nice thing that nobody could possibly be against why would you be against affordable care yeah what do you hate people come on bro that's it though what's wrong with you yeah dave listen i think we [ __ ] covered it all we fixed everything did we no where was that was that like around a half hour 20 minutes ago 20 minutes that was the exact moment we nailed it everything went good we just did like three and a half hours how long did we do well you guys were talking before we started oh okay three hours three hours for the show three hours you lose all sense of time yeah flies by in here i just know when i really have to pee we should probably [Laughter] um let everybody know your twitter instagram all that jazz uh my twitter is at comic dave smith the podcast is part of the problem and the legion of skanks of course and twitter i mean uh instagram some they just started me an account at the problem dave smith on instagram at the problem it's or the problem dave smith you're a problem is that what's going on i think so i don't run it but they put clips out of [ __ ] some of the gas digital people started it for me because i'm [ __ ] and don't have an instagram in 2020. yeah how did you not have an instagram i don't know i'm just like i i can't do any more social media i just i you know well that's why you're so good at these [ __ ] conversations because you're actually paying attention to [ __ ] i spend too much time on twitter here it is yeah the problem is dave smith i got 8 000 followers i got no followers on there well we just started it yep we'll pump you up there you go follow me on twitter i got a little bit of followers on there twitter's dying it's dying the president's going to kill it on his last days in office i heard for real that would be that'd be something now it's just a war of who can kill who first twitter or the president he just makes it twitter illegal his last few days in office his car is more harm than good it's over but then twitter blocks his tweet saying that it's illegal so no one knows it's just a war of jack dorsey open [ __ ] you you're on the way out biden's like i support twitter and i'm gonna wear a mask in my profile but he's like someone tell me what twitter is my profile i'm hee haw my pronouns all right dave thanks brother i appreciate it this was fun goodbye [Music] everybody [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] you

Channel: PowerfulJRE

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Rating: 4.5486617 out of 5

Keywords: Joe Rogan Experience, JRE, Joe, Rogan, podcast, MMA, comedy, stand, up, funny, Freak, Party, Joe Rogan, Dave Smith, JRE #1562, comedian

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Length: 188min 17sec (11297 seconds)

Published: Wed Nov 11 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/Dayglo-Abortions-]

My timeline with Dave is funny. Started out thinking he’s an unfunny dork but after I listened to him debate and have a few one on one interviews he’s my favorite skank.

[u/JadolfTickler]

Rogan has had some great guests but rogan himself has been hard to listen to recently.

[u/writtenasylum]

The Libertarian Tupac himself. Rogan should've had him and Malice together, but this is good enough alone.

[u/Springboks2019]

Hell yeah

[u/redditadminshaveaids]

Master Debator

[u/Saywh4t]

Didn’t Dave get arrested last time he was in Texas? Brave boi

[u/Next_Significance433]

Election? What is this word

[u/tzadikk]

should have whitney webb on

[u/writtenasylum]

I'll certainly do so. Malice is quality content on nearly any show or platform.