Joe Rogan Experience #1532 - Mike Tyson

[Music] giant boxing fan he sends me this text message he goes dude check this [ __ ] out and it's you training with rafael cordero and i remember looking and going oh [ __ ] what happened what happened because the last time you were in here you were talking about how you didn't want to work out yeah because it would ignite the ego hey let's talk about that too so um i was discussing my wife something about me being away you know when you have to you sometimes want to complain on your wife you want to take care of the hands some kind of perspective and she said well why don't you just get on this um treadmill for 15 minutes a day i thought she said just 15 minutes so it went from 15 minutes a day to 2 hours a day and um that's what you were worried about yeah exactly um but i was complaining about my weight and so um i don't know i guess i tried on some clothing it was disastrous and so i was worried about my weight and she told me the 15 minute round it went two hours a day and um i just started losing weight and then um somebody my brother-in-law said hey mike man i know you're not gonna win but somebody said would you fight this guy for like 40 million or 30 million bucks i said man get that whoa i said oh that's not the thing i said whoa and i said like well who would they like me to fight and say one minute and they go then it's bob sat but okay and so i'm saying to myself well i know bob and i said no because i know bob is big and strong i said ho one minute how would they like me to fight him can i fight him under the markets of queensberry rules and he said one minute mike he asked the guy the guy said yes i said i'll fight him right and so bob sapp was the first one that was brought up yeah and though for people who don't know bob stop bob sabb was a giant fighter and pride at one time he was like 375 pounds he was fighting all the kickboxers solid muscle with abs that's incredible right and um it went from him to somebody else and another guy and an mma than this guy and then somehow you know some other fighters vanda then it went from who else it was another heavyweight champ it was just a bunch of guys up here and fight and they say you know it came down to roy how did and i'm like i don't know what the hell is going on and then he signed the contract i signed the contract next thing you know i'm in the gym again and it's disastrous i'm trying to get in the [ __ ] i painted them i did i really do this [ __ ] you know you you would probably know because if you getting in shape and getting conditioned they're two different animals they don't even belong in the same workout division of working out like getting in shape is just being kind of fit yes you know that's getting in shape being able just to fit your clothes being in condition is being able to come outside of your soul and you can't do that automatically you're talking about being in fighting conditions yes yeah yeah that's a rare state and you can't keep it for very long no it is just people need to understand that right the emotional state to prepare for that is oh mind boggling well that's what i was seeing when i was seeing you hit the pads i'm like this isn't just working out there was something going on man when you were working out with cardero and you ripping to the body and throwing those hooks i was like this is a man who's preparing to go to combat this is not normal getting ready to work out [ __ ] that's why when i saw that video i was like oh let me tell you something about that video yeah i did that video and i was in bed for a week that was 30 seconds and i was in bed for a week and it's not funny because it made me realize that this is this is this is big [ __ ] okay big boy this big boy [ __ ] you were that is right there yeah that wasn't really cool that's in the gym that's now the thing is though now that's now that's that's going for you know five and six rounds that's now but i'm talking about before that 30 seconds the first time i ever did it i i i caught um what's the [ __ ] you killed when you can't wait everything came in everything all that [ __ ] they came back that made me quit boxing all the pain started coming back so when you started training again did you start doing it slowly after that extremely slowly and then i started um dabbing and alternative stuff like what kind of stuff cryotherapy type [ __ ] cryo um stem cell research and therapy and some other interesting stuff that i just don't know and it's just beautiful stuff like what kind of stuff i don't know hyperbaric chambers and yes everything everything everything to help you recover it's really interesting it is it well i saw you when you walked in today i was like god damn you look good you look good dude like your muscles look good you look like you're vascular you look fit and that's um and i'm starting to feel fit that's what's interesting so i know what they do and stuff like i think i'm in shape and then the next thing you know you think you're in shape and then you start having like um ralphia start throwing punches at me it's like you're fighting i can't punch back one i gotta avoid and then two rounds go by and he said whoa i'm not in shape i'm in the bag six rounds i'm doing this three or five round six and i'm jumping rope and then i do two rounds of somebody is a whole different psychological preparation and how much how much time has gone since you first started exercising like when did it when did it start so here we are was like august 23rd or something like that 22nd all right when did when did it start it had to start um something like april april so much something like in the middle of the lockdown yeah so you just just started just training and now here you are five months later four months later how how far away do you think you are to being in like fighting [ __ ] oh fighting [ __ ] when the time comes like by um november 28th yeah that's when you'll be ready exactly now why did you guys decide to move you were supposed to be in september right supposed to be there was a viewing um situation um at the proper timing for more people for audiences yeah that nature it's so exciting it's going to be awesome because um it's going to be um me and everyone else that's involved arrows in anyone innovation then we're going to start off the legends only league and that's going to be really um breathtaking especially starting off with me and roy yeah and um i'm looking forward to that because i have athletes from every general it's an array of everybody who was who believes that someone they're all going to come back in all fields and this is going to be something that i mean um the arrows intervention created together and i think this is going to be pretty awesome so legends only league would be like all sports baseball bats tennis yeah i think imagine it's [ __ ] crazy like we did what billy jean king did have somebody yesterday one of sabrina somebody played mcenroe and that kind of stuff right exhibitions and stuff like that somebody like um a man of war can play one-on-one with whoever i ever send to somebody yeah i mean men of peace men of wars the horse [Laughter] meta world peace yeah yeah no it's it's an amazing idea but particularly for you like seeing you hit the bag again and seeing you hit the pads and get excited about it is very very interesting to me because uh i knew that you had that thing in your head where you didn't want to ignite your ego and then you had this quote that the gods of war reignited your ego i read that i got so excited well that's the excuse i can use you know that's a really great excuse that i can use but it's uh it was a great quote it made me excited and i when i'm when i'm seeing you training i mean you know some people that you know everybody has opinions when something like this happens when a man is 53 now you're 54 yeah 54 and decides to fight again as fit as you look like why not why not why not you could do whatever you want why can't if you can go bungee jumping and ride a bull listen um impossible is nothing to somebody that tries everything that someone said was impossible has happened yeah it's certainly well listen in 2020 with all the ways of recovering all the things that we know limitations create impossible well it's different now limitations are different now exactly so when you like that video when you were ripping the pads and working out with rafael cordeiro how many like how long into that was that like how how quickly did you get your speed back was it right right away was it right but that was our first day that was your first day that was our first thing this child said that was our first day wow and after that day i was in the bed i had to come get the guy to do the [ __ ] shots and electrocute me to get me back i had the sciatica hit me i couldn't walk i was crying to my wife and i was like wow [Laughter] and i don't know why um after that i should have said this is over i'm not gonna do it but um that ego stuff hey come on please did it does it do you feel like you felt in the old days like when i mean in terms of your mind like the enthusiasm about this enthusiasm yes um sometimes um i feel like i say this is [ __ ] i can't be feeling this good you know and then um and um i don't know i think i really am i'm feeling good i said this bag because i know the bag is a bigger bag 200 pounds and i said well this bag wouldn't be moving like this i'm not hitting it kind of decently you know no you look good there's look this is not like uh i've seen guys come back and you see them working out it looks sad and it doesn't look good what's exciting about you coming back is how good you look training why not in this day and age just but being a real fighter this is what you know you see so many people that's in the gym matter of fact i've boxed people in the gym that kick my ass every day but they know what's different when you get them in the ring and yeah the light on them and people are eating popcorn and drinking beer and they freak out you're mike tyson exactly you understand that yeah i know if anybody knows how to deal with that pressure it's you absolutely but you know you it's good but if you don't have the doubt you're going to have a lot of trouble right you have to have that doubt right you have to have a little bit of that yeah now is it this is a this new phase of your life where all of a sudden you reignite it and you want to compete again this has got to be fun it is fun but uh yeah it is fun i do say it's fun but it's still um it's apprehensive stuff yeah you know it's apprehensive but it's still like you said it is fun but it seems so exciting like to watch you train and get ready it's like to me i'm like [ __ ] yeah like what do you want a man to do what do you want a man to just sit around do nothing just wait go for walks do whatever the [ __ ] you want and if you could still do this the way you're doing it why not hey um i don't understand it either but i want to do it i don't understand i just want to do it and um i feel like i was born to do this stuff well you certainly were at one point in time in your life but you had moved on to a different chapter of your life you had completely stopped doing that you were doing a tyson ranch thing smoking a lot of wheat you stopped smoking weed totally much yeah pretty much stopped it's gonna stop wow wow that's that's a big change but when you're right away something like this is all about change you know you listen you can't continue being a comedian if you're not sharpening your um your psyche up even when you're doing it right here you're practicing your comedian act you know you have to continue to practice the more you practice it and say if you practice it every four year you'll be better if you only practice it for a month so the more you do it the better you become do you feel like that now in this comeback that like you are only sort of scratching your potential because like you're just getting back into shape again a year from now you'll be even better shape and you'll be more conditioned to do what you want to do like you're you're in this yeah yeah you're in this rebuilding stage now it's and now that's exciting yeah when you go to your um when you go to your doctor these people who have this alternative stuff and you see the development you feel the healing process and you say come on tell me this why did this why is this happening to me why not name it why a guy like me who just got off drugs who just gave up his life and don't care about nothing he this is happening to him you know since i married my wife all this good stuff started happening and i'm saying wow what is this stuff all about whatever it's all about it's good i'm like really grateful take my money yeah that's what i said i said take my money i want to watch it let's see it and it's not about money because the money's going to be in charity and people want to and it's just about doing something good and not from that perspective that could be i like feeling like i'm doing something good for somebody more than myself that's a beautiful part of it yeah that is going to go to charity but it's also an exciting matchup and i'm watching roy work out too and roy looks fantastic it's going to always look fantastic if he was a little 100 pounds of boy he's going to look good he just really looks good roy jones jr i mean that's one of the things that makes this fight so exciting is that uh you know roy is like yourself one of the all-time greats and still looks physically fantastic like you see him moving around hitting the pads his hand speed looks great you can't train with anybody that looks like he'll [ __ ] do that right stuff well he always had such an unusual style you know with very few jabs he would throw left hooks instead of jabs you know i mean roy always had like one of the strangest styles in all the boxes it was strange but it was very effective super effective yeah very effective just incredibly hard to prepare for too because try to find someone who no one's going to do that yeah no one can emulate him in the gym now when you decided on uh a fight and decided an opponent what were the were there other i heard that someone that offered you shannon the cannon briggs for bare knuckle boxing no no it was just um tyson um the tyson fury um was box sap types and fury and quite other guys but certain things just happened and it didn't happen and then um it was holyfield it was shannon with some other guys from mma and then roy turned out to be the right guy i guess we did a survey and roy popped up the winner well it's certainly a giant name yeah yeah holyfield would be a great one too but it's just having a guy like that that has that big name that is also an all-time great and that also wants to do it too and to get the public excited i mean i think it's a perfect fight to get the public exactly so do you think that once you fight roy that that'll be it or do you think this is just going to be the beginning of this new chapter in your life i i believe this is just going to be the beginning of whatever happens happens in life this is pretty interesting being on here talking to you and knowing that um the extent of the wavelength of people are going to hear this stuff is pretty interesting because this is now this is true it's really going to no longer in my head and i'm stroking it it's real and it's like wow yeah it's wow yeah i can't wait man i want to be there i want to see it hey um down the street here i'll come back i didn't know i forgot the name of the dignity center mm-hmm that's where it's going to be yeah yeah and is it going to be an audience it can't be an audience yet i don't believe on again i believe only like i don't know what what i'm going to say our entourage right a small amount of people yeah family fight group and this is going to be eight rounds i believe so yeah so how did you arrive on eight rounds hey listen um beat the hell out of me i wanted to do the exhibition i wanted to help the people i said why not he [ __ ] around but now i'm getting in condition and we're gonna do this stuff well eight rounds gives you enough time to work it gives people enough time to get excited about it um when when you think about uh an eight-round fight um do you fee see yourself moving into ten rounds and 12 rounds in the future and we don't know what the future holds but we're looking forward to just having fun and doing it for um uh purpose reason because people were talking about you literally fighting for the title again hey i'm not interested i'm misinterested in fighting for the title of giving okay okay so just doing this for good so exciting for you but also generates a lot of positivity exactly yeah i love that and feels um soul cleaning for some reason because you're giving the way to charity that you're doing something good you're doing it for myself this doesn't do it for me no more right that makes sense yeah that makes sense so it's both things so you get to excite yourself challenge yourself but the good is all going to exactly excellent i won't have in my mind i'm getting paid i just don't want to never have that in my mind again yeah i don't want to have oh i'm getting something for what i'm doing kind of attitude somebody said and this was kind of hilarious someone said hey i heard that they're just gonna just mess around and that they're not gonna go for the knockout i go do you know who the [ __ ] you're talking about i go you're talking about mike tyson and roy jones jr do you really believe that that two of the all-time greats once they start throwing hands that it could it won't get crazy well of course it is because both of us are who we are and we're gonna show our skills and nobody's gonna look stupid and it's just gonna be interesting i think yeah do you have any other people in mind like do you have a game plan in mind like after roy or you're just thinking only about roy right now at this moment only roy but it's just some interesting people that we have that i'm gonna announce later now there was some talk of you and roy way back in the day when roy fought john ruiz won the heavyweight title yes yeah so what would what did you think about that fight back then i thought it was really interesting because i couldn't use the money back then so um me and roy talked we were in texas and we went to houston with the houston we went to houston we talked and um after we talked we just went out and chilled out but um it was interesting never happened so i don't know what happened to me something must have happened to me and it just didn't happen that's one of those things right there's always all these potential fights that don't quite line up do you have other fights in your head that like were potential fights that didn't line up that you wish did no everything happened for the reason that is happening now i'm excited about this fight i'm excited about this fight stylistically too because i always i always liked that fight stylistically i was so interesting you know because you were just this unstoppable force and roy was so fast and so slick i guess i'm just prepared to do a lot of running and chasing yeah you know yeah i was that was real difficult to get in condition for it like chasing this [ __ ] little guy so how many days a week are you training now every day every day you know i have the sundays off and stuff every day and what what is a a typical day for mike tyson right now all right the day starts as soon as it's daylight from 5 30 out through the four mile run come back what am i doing when i come back i'm back i'm in the shower from the shower i go downstairs i let the birds out fly the birds come back in may do some um i have a machine where you could do the twist mm-hmm absolutely i have exercises yeah and i'll do that probably 200 times on both sides and um i just um grab a bite you know i may have some i'm eating meatless i may have some eggs instead of not eating eggs you were a vegan for a while right how long were you vegan for a couple of years for a couple years when did it stop when did you stop doing that i don't know not too long ago so did you stop because of the training or did you stop before that yeah this stop the reason because of the training and it was yeah because of what i wanted my body to look like and the students that i wanted to possess so you started eating meat red meat everything no regular only um elk and bison oh red meat that's red meat yeah yeah okay wild stuff you're eating elk and bite too i want to give you some of my oh yeah it really would you please [ __ ] you please 100 you kill it yes yeah i would like for you to do that i'll give you something from that elk right there that would be so awesome yeah i have three commercial freezers in the back i would love that i would love that yeah like when i look at food i don't look at food like i used to look at it i look at it for what it's for yeah even what it's for to take care of the body exactly and well that's the best meat you know i i realize that there's you know things that are good for other people like the the kale and the vegetables and all this stuff the blueberry and then for me it's really poisonous it's not that stuff's bad for you but yeah that stuff's not good for my blood type and my health conditions and all that stuff kale all that stuff okay kill me girl yeah he's gonna kill me can't kill me well no actually that really yeah for me i'm careless toxic to my blood and everything so when you were a vegan what were you eating oh man nothing and then my wife called me the miserable vegans that's not vegan isn't what you're doing mike just being miserable now i think it comes down to um when um and it's interesting that i've done it when i was because i would sometimes just overdo it sometimes like sometimes i go for religious fast for 30 days i might overdo it sometimes i might not eat for the whole day instead of just for them daytime nights for a couple days just not eat period don't you think but that's just your championship mentality right like you're always pushing yourself even when it comes to something like fasting like you know it's pushing it it has something to do with suffering so yeah i don't know what it is i can't put my feelings on it's about how much how long can i suffer more than this person or that person okay this person do what i did right right right i remember you saying that too about training that you would get up in the morning and train because you wanted an edge you wanted to know that you were training while they were asleep exactly yeah i remember thinking that back when i was doing martial arts i remember reading that i'm like i want to do that too i copy a lot of [ __ ] you did well you always have to have and if and even if it's not suits so you have to have and that's where delusion comes in because delusion is only delusional when you don't accomplish the goals of making your delusions a reality right that's what it's delusional right you you're just enforcing your mindset oh yeah to allow those delusions to be the reality of your um acceptance now when you're doing this and you're getting up in the morning and running does this like do you feel like you felt in the old days do you i mean i don't mean physically i mean the mind like you're preparing for war again do you does this does this like reignite those old thoughts the way you were when you were the champ the way you were when you're on your way to the title like this is a this is a whole new way of your life you know what's really interesting that sometimes um periodic it's not real but sometimes i struggle with the fact that while the possibility i can really hurt somebody like you don't want to hurt them what do you mean but you struggle struggle with the possibility that you could hurt them that is sometimes it's orgasmic sometimes yeah like some fights like particularly like tyro biggs or someone that you had problems with someone that you you had animosity towards so when you finally get your hands on them hey um what does it mean um when fighting gets gets you erect what does that mean it's a good question means you're getting excited yeah so that that's going through your mind right now well that's how i get when i was a kid and i you know sometimes i get to twinkle the twinkle yeah well that's what i'm saying is like you reached a state as a human being as a champion as a ferocious fighter you reached a state of of ability and of accomplishment that very few humans will ever ever touch and feel that's why i'm asking you when you're running when you're hitting the bag when that heart's beating again and you know who you are you're mike [ __ ] tyson so when you're doing all this [ __ ] again you're still mike tyson those thoughts have got to be burning inside you again it's gotta be pretty wild i don't know it's um it's wild but um i believe it's um it's rightfully so to be that way and i just know how to um i don't think i i'm master but i just know how to deal with it i don't let it overwhelm me no well of course not but saying that it gets you orgasmic that's a strange thing to say well that's just what i wanted to find out because you're really bright and i thought you were figuring no i'm being very serious no i know i i know you're being serious but i mean no one will understand that other than you like that's your your mindset like no one but i think that like all the things we were talking about before the way you drive yourself the way you push yourself the way you put yourself into that frame of mind no one's gonna understand that other than you so no one's gonna understand you get an erection from thinking about hurting someone more than you will you don't there has to be fear based in somewhere fear-based maybe or um maybe just maybe not fear-based but maybe embracing the fact that you're gonna go into this with everything that you have the chaos of it all and and the ultimate goal is to hurt somebody the ultimate goal is to be extremely successful the way you can be extremely successful the thing you do great is to crush people so to have that encompass everything this fighting is the only thing i don't ask a lot for um i just don't ask him for help for that you don't ask him for help for fighting yeah because you think you got it no i just don't think i oh you don't think you should ask i just don't want to be involved with that kind of mindset in our law so i know you know people do they go to i just don't i ask them because it's just i don't like the way i think and i don't want god to be you know involved with the way i think at that time well this is what's so interesting to me about you fighting again because of the conversation that we had the last time you were here that you didn't want to reignite your ego clearly your ego's blazing right now i mean you're ready to go well maybe because i um i'm an addict a former addict and i'm on a narcotic ring the camera's on me yeah he's a big narcotic and maybe right that has something to do it as well but i like to think it's under control until the night of the event yeah the night of the event so it's the the addiction will get purged with the with the performance yeah that's why i'm you know i was i was doing um if you don't mind me to interrupt for a second i was um the book that talks to what they call it audiobook and it was called um the gene key okay this book and the book was explaining about why that we are who we are in that perspective that most of the people like you and myself and people people just in general who is not at that level even anyone to have a creative mind is victimized to depression and the reason is because um when that created when that moment whatever it is that causes that creativity is not fit the proper information that is successful and that is accepted in whatever space of the brain and the mind that once it wants to be accepted and it's not accepted it it crumbles does that make sense well i feel like with someone like you the highs that you reach in competing the highs you reach in fighting are so high that it's probably very difficult to it's probably very difficult to just exist outside of that and i know you love pot for that reason because it calmed you down and mellowed you out and chilled you out abso absolutely um it made me like myself mm-hmm do you understand that yeah i do yeah it gives you forgiveness of yourself yeah i agree with that i never thought about that i never wanted to be forgiving much because that's really powerful stuff yeah they have to accept forgiveness is really and to forgive yourself yeah yeah yeah it's hard to forgive other people sometimes it's harder to forgive yourself yes and marijuana makes you feel like it makes me more uh compassionate makes me more friendly it makes me want to hug people gives me more of a sense of community exactly it makes me like people who i believe did something wrong to me yeah you're like [ __ ] okay my man yeah it's like he doesn't mean it he's just all [ __ ] up just like me yeah if i'm drunk i'm gonna blow that bread yeah oh god the the fighting thing that that that to feed that that experience is it's a different experience and it's it's it's got to be so hard for a world championship fighter of your caliber to exist with like regular normal boring life you know when you're training and you you're ramping yourself up for a big fight and then you have that big fight and you you know you knock out spanx in front of the whole world and you you you're walking around the ring and you're on the cover of every magazine that the highs of that the accomplishment the training and then the competing itself is the experience is so alien to most people that when you walk around with regular folks in regular life it's gotta it's gotta be hard to exist no it's not it's just that um you have to know who you can be at certain times of your life no one knows who they are because if you know if you knew who you were right now you'd be really limited you know because life is about change you're going to be told then five years from now you'll be a different person won't be this person so we're gonna have to develop some kind of emotional intelligence and just learn the gr as time goes on grasp what's ever going on and just form with it as a change you change with it because it's very difficult when times change to change with the times right and you have to be conscious of that and the times is not the people around you the time is the development and time you have left on this planet that you have to develop who you are how difficult is it to make that change though to become a different person other than a world championship fighter like when you decided to stop was it difficult well time will make you that person time will yeah time will make you that person what is time i don't know right but time has also made you that person again now though now now it's reignited now new time has come and now you train it again exactly but i think this is done mostly for my health for my immortality more than anything subconsciously i think that's what what's the reason why i did it just to get healthy yeah then this stuff goes on and this and then i meet a doctor and say hey you know you should do this and then and you should try um stem cell mic you never tried stem but this is what really got me interested in this stuff i thought i interviewed which i like to do you as well on my podcast if you if you're licensed to do this your content won't oh yeah for sure so um i had the opportunity to um talk to kitten shamrock okay and so he came in and i looked at him i said [ __ ] he look incredible what the [ __ ] hey what are you doing right now why you look like that how's that happen and he said it was in colombia and i said when give me i'm going tomorrow right but um i had some people nearby that i happened to be introduced to and they were on um they're on the top are they really is that that bio accelerator place down in columbia is that what it does i didn't go there is that where henry cejudo went i have no idea who went there i have no idea that i knew it was in colombia and um i met some other people who were um yes on top of the game on that game with this anti-age and all the stuff that's going on with this alternative stuff also and so um i met these people and it was just amazing stuff so you're able to now train all these days a week you you have uh like how many months in now you you're solid since april yeah and you attribute that mostly to all these different alternative methods of uh absolutely especially uh this gentleman that we call his name is brad wrote we call him the mechanic the electrician that is and he and he works through these current forces and that was electro muscular stimulation is totally different within that family but just totally superior than that that's just so antiquated compared to this stuff you know so uh you you were talking about your ability to you're running in the morning and now what's the afternoon's like what are you doing in the afternoons um that's when i'm training around one o'clock i'm in the gym i'm doing the training um 2 30 i'm probably talking on the phone and flipping some deals making arrangements probably to do other shows the commercial or some ads and just says that [ __ ] yeah business stuff and how did you get hooked up with rafael cordero because for folks who don't know he's legendary trainer in mma he's from shoot the box in brazil he was one of the the top guys back when uh shoot the box was the number one mma camp in brazil where anderson silva and van der ley silva found this out later but this is how this happened the two of us met um i said hey you know i like to hit the mitts you know you think i hit the mitchell somebody think you got somebody right i get to miss i was getting ready to go to freddy's gym freddy roach yeah and then um someone said they had um raphael and i thought hey let me check him out and it was she was just perfect is he near you does he live near you or something he lives in laguna i'm in newport uh what is another laguna it's close enough yeah yeah that's close that's real close so before the available pandemic but that's what i mean we came before the pandemic we were in vague as we met i guess at the um one of the ufc fights and then i met him over here and i was saying i want to hit the message and that's how we um got back together he's a great man like a good person no the reason why i kept not necessarily because he was awesome with the myth because he brought so much peace and love and stuff to the whole family the whole camp his images and yeah he's just awesome yeah he's got great energy he's being loved yes like in in the mma world and all by all the people that he trains with everyone loves cordelia you can't find a person to say a bad word about that man he's so awesome and he's a very good trainer and he's he also was a guy like i was that style that hot that shoot box style they were very aggressive and i was like oh well that actually makes sense him and you together yeah when we do drills the drills are what's going on we know when we hit in the midst there's no use hey hit the middle pop up pop it's booming we're moving it's acting boom yeah heart beating being heartbeating hard breathing and we're just working at it yeah i'm watching and i'm saying this is it's interesting because he's doing he's got you doing a lot of like side to side and angles oh yeah listen i do eight eight rounds on the back and i do four rounds with me and i'm moving oh whoo you feel that that's that bag what was that bag of that would that even really work out yeah you know he said was that really even a workout what was that to warm me up for this what was that about you don't even know that existed after you did the four five so when you go from april when you first started doing it again to now how much better do you feel listen that um that was just a joke at the beginning you know right now it's really perking up it feels like real training yeah it does it's taking that deep do you feel like you could train as hard as you did back when you were in your prime well listen um you have a tape here don't you that we could look at is there a film did someone yeah do you have a film of my tape of me hitting the mids in my prime and see me hitting the miss now i bet we do i better look at me somebody myself hit the missing 88 let me hit the myth um from last week and you tell me no listen i'll tell you you look [ __ ] fantastic that's what's interesting wow that's me i said look at this yeah it's just i had more endurance back there than that but now i'm catching up well that's what it's interesting about it it's not like watching an old fighter that has lost it that's just trying to compete it's like watching an old fighter regain those old skills like you look great man that's what's crazy about it i'm just going to work on this and work often and keep working on it and see where this goes it's so exciting i love it listen when i announce the listen this is um johnny ryan the guy that works with us and arrows and stuff when we announced the fights he got um we got in 2.5 billion hits i'm serious i believe it i believe it no this is going to be a huge fight i mean this fight is probably going to be one of the biggest fights of all time in terms of pay-per-view in terms of people buying it and watching it and there it is a great video in terms of helping people as well of uh roy and you uh training together there's a compilation it looks like somebody's speeding my god damn my mother-in-law said they speed that up and my wife said they said no i think they did not that's that's um the electrician oh the uh the the umbrella electrical muscular stimulation [ __ ] yeah yeah no it doesn't look like it's sped up it looks like you still have the speed that's what it looks like that's what's so exciting about it with a king's mma shirt on yeah so exciting it's so exciting man it really is i i'm i'm 100 into this and i can't wait for the fight to go down it's going to be november 18th now right um believe that 28th 28th 20th november 20th there was enough time for fans and everybody and thanksgiving to be home and they'd be able to view it yeah for the holidays and just be able to help more people the more people that view it this is so exciting man no are you doing weight lifting are you doing any swimming like what are the kind of exercises i did was when that shock commercial that was the only thing i was gonna ask you about that stuff and um we're doing little weights we get a lot of reps and just doing a lot of so you have a strength and conditioning coach okay so he's doing yeah yeah brad rowe i've known i've heard that name before weightlifting champ change train weightlifting champs and all that stuff and um he's just an awesome person and we just kicking butt and how many days a week are you doing strength conditioning along with your running and then monday to friday i think we do saturdays too and i say hey i'm boy let's just go saturday wow how good does it feel to get back in shape again man and to look great hey it feels awesome but it's listen there's nothing easy about it you know getting in shape is easy not easy it's just it's continuous stuff it's it's consistency there it is so how the [ __ ] did they talk you into getting in the ocean with sharks what was that all about listen um i don't know how they did this the money wasn't really that great and stuff you know and i'm sorry shark world you guys underpaid me and um they had me out there i was there and um it was really interesting man it was really interesting i'm just saying how did these guys get me in here yeah i was wondering the same thing and this oh dana thought he was doing me if i don't finally want mike to fail sonic might do a couple of games with these guys and i'm saying thanks a lot dan you really like me dana really liked me i'm saying that while dana really cares about me he said forget the fight i want him if i want to see mike go [ __ ] with some sharks yeah i would i would say fighting is probably safer yeah dana didn't want you to fight right yeah but then he wants me to go with sharks though why didn't he want you to fight did you talk to him about it no you see he has never seen it until he seen it and watch me once he saw you then he changed his mind yeah once i think once someone sees the dedication that you have that that you're actually fit you're actually moving fast and you actually can compete at a very high level i just had to realize that um i'm not gonna rush in there like that no more i gotta move around gotta do it in a different way because i tried to go in the first time spawn and it was disaster so i went in there thinking using my head moving and things went the way i wanted how long in training was the first time you sparred first time 15 years first time you started in 15 years and how many months in the training was that from from you started in april so like when did you start really boxing stuff box box and stuff is when i did that stuff with um the blind did the stuff with raphael first time right but i'm being mean first sparring first bar in rounds yeah it was really weird and stuff but i realized when i was getting hit boom boom boom i hit a couple of times i didn't go like what the [ __ ] am i doing i said wait i belong here oh it brought it back yeah i said i belonged to it i got boom boom boom and i got rocking i heard the ring and boom as a woman i didn't panic i said oh i belong here wow that was long hair started moving and start talking about whoa i belong here nice i never said what the [ __ ] am i doing this [ __ ] is crazy it just never happened it never happened i was expecting that you're expecting what the [ __ ] am i doing [ __ ] [ __ ] this [ __ ] hey stop [ __ ] this [ __ ] [ __ ] i ain't doing this [ __ ] but um that's what i was expecting really bad right i said whoa boom boom boom boom uh then you felt it and you readjusted it the first thing i said i i said whoa i belong here nice how long did it take before you started feeling comfortable sparring the next time i spawned again really yeah so the next time you start again you just could get back into the mindset of what it's like to be competing and moving with another person yeah and you can't go for the kill because you don't know your body's not moving for the kill now you gotta have you have to develop the relation oh this is gonna be interesting when you hear this and the fighter probably doesn't understand that but as he gets older you have to develop reacquaint a relationship with your mind and your body mm-hmm your legs go here before your body's ready to go with it sometimes right you have to um they have to sync up yeah that's the sync up now you have to talk hey before we win win before we leave let's do it bing bing bing now hey man let's move here let's move here right i have to talk you lose that tenth of a second when you talk to yourself right you're doing it instantly so do you think eventually you'll get back to automatic well we're gonna see yeah i like that yeah yeah i'd like that too it's exciting though man it's very exciting to see you sparring again to see all that um but now when you're sparring are you uh sparring technically are you sparring hard like um the first time i went back i tried to go all out and i was disastrous uh my body was it wasn't listening right right and so i had like you said i had to develop that relationship and the second time i spoke that was better that was so much better yeah yeah i wasn't rushing and trying to hurt nobody kill nobody that was just trying to get accomplished yeah just get working yeah and how often they spawn in a week um when we go back to spawn i like spawn every day really every day yeah the more you do it the better it is right the more your timing is the better you feel what are your thoughts on like some people think that you could spar two months and you leave too much in the gym because you get hit too much in camp well that's the whole thing you learn in camp not to get hit that's the art of boxing learning not to get hit in the fight and you have to do that but trying to get hit in the gym yeah go seriously and avoiding that and then it turns out in the fight so you shouldn't be in the gym saying i've been hit too much because you shouldn't get hit because that should be the objective of fighting not to get hit as much as you believe you are what do you say to a fighter that sees themselves getting hit too much though in sparring do you tell him to take some time off or do you say you know know what i say i try to teach him how not to to avoid those punches and if he doesn't i don't really want to have much to do with somebody i don't want to be involved with somebody getting hit and they're getting hurt and stuff like that well i know you were doing a lot of uh coaching of uh just even little small sessions with different fighters and yeah there's a bunch of stuff on the internet if you ever did you think about doing that like in the future like no no no not at this moment it just takes a really special position it takes a special person to do that you got to be a mother a father a psychiatrist yeah a dietitian it's just so many hats you have to wear being a trainer a good trainer a true trainer to yourself and your fighters it's just a lot of hats that's really overwhelming for me and my personality i totally can understand that but i would also imagine that in your mind there's some knowledge that i would love to see passed on to other fighters in a way like a trainer only a trainer can do yeah i'm the kind of guy if you want to learn from me you got to learn from it let me talk to you or something because i'm not like us of course we'll go because we never get tired answering questions sometimes my son asked me so i said why did you guys ask me because that's the way i was with cuss right you know but i'm not because would never get he would love to answer all my questions because the custom wanted the perception that he knew everything you should listen to him and take his advice because he knew everything yeah you know that's what it's like if he was his friend you always came to him for advice he always wanted to invite one to give his advice and let you know that he was a superior thinker and that you should come to him and he'll settle your problems that's just what he was you know do you think ever think back on your life like your life with cuss and just the story the origin story is almost like a movie it's almost not crazy no no let me tell you what happened man i'm in spafit detention for boys and muhammad ali they showed the movie the greatest it's like 77 76 from 11 years they played ali and then um ali walks in and talked to the kids and i saw him and i saw everybody going crazy i want to be like him and from there i go upstate new york there's a guy that used to be a professional boxer named bobby stewart mr stewart taught me how to box and eventually said i wanted to do so they took me upstairs my custom auto this is all in a couple of months since i've seen that league and now i'm training to be a boxer crazy but it's and you were 13 right no i was um i would think i was 13 yeah look that's like it's like a movie it was no i knew i was going to be successful i knew everything was going to go right there's no i knew it it was in my blood i was on that kid but i say i want to be like that guy and they just started working and it's such an amazing listen listen not even not even three or four months after i saw ali met him i'm in one place i had a fight trying to stab guys i did with a pencil or something i go from there and i go over to this bad place elm with this cottage that's where bobby stewart because he's a fighter and he had to take care of these all the staff they're big strong man because they have to take care of these very interesting kids you know like um homicidal kid these are kids wow yeah and so um that's the job we're in the while we're in the bag college to lock up college elmwood and so um we have the bad remedies that's the crazy kid college gets the lock down no one can go outside like we they got to be handcuffed when they leave the cottage and stuff and so that's where i've i've i've gotten my tutelage that's where i learned to go to school that's why i've learned everything in this bad boy place this place where all the bad kids at and since they had to have extreme kind of guards their security mr stewart was a professional boxer and he would teach the kids how to boxes they behaved themselves and got on a certain level in which you can go back there in box and guys were coming back to the dome i was locked i was on the level to go because i just got there so they put me in the back to lock you up too they um they see what kind of person you are so they'll put you in the group and i see these guys coming back with their eyes busted teeth knocked out the ribs or but they were happy they're laughing about this yo he [ __ ] you up yo baby you almost got him and i said yo what's going on and what's happening this year we're famous for still with boxing mr stewart and stuff and they're happy with them bleeding the tooth knocked out there but they were happy and it was enthusiasm i said i wanted to do that too but i wanted to be tough and so mrs stewart that talked to me didn't want to teach me so i started cleaning and being real nice kid to everybody because i wanted to learn how to box all the kids were happy and he started teaching me how to box it's crazy that you met cuss too because out of all the people that you could meet no one was better at the psychological oh i would never been the champ if i wasn't from because um he put stuff in my mind i started thinking about myself being these people visualizing myself being i don't know grade of somebody i've never done that in my life i've never heard not even in the ghetto somebody say this like i said wow he's great like i'm talking about like at home i said wow he's incredible why is he incredible i don't think that incredible why shouldn't you have that why should he have that not you i've never heard smith said it to me but cuss was a master at the psychological master like you just you would hear him talk about things just reading the things that he's written about about the psychology of fighting he was the perfect guy for you it was almost like the stars alive that's what i'm talking about yeah it really is like a movie it really is like it all lined up and plus physically you were so unusual you were so unusual so gifted i mean even when you were right i told him that he can't be able to be too small you know no way in the world he can't be too short because he's too small he's got the 225 to 30. well obviously they were wrong big time but it was also you you you might have been short but you you had the best style and cuss developed that with you the best style to deal with the fact that you were shorter the bobbin and the weave in the constant pressure exactly but i believe um style is relevant i believe it's the the morale behind the style i think success in fighting in life is about desire and the will yeah how bad do you want it they're worth dying for that's his true greatness is the willingness to die so this thing worth the mindset that he instilled in you and the way he gave you the tools in order to think about things in a way that that that fueled that mindset yeah but that doesn't do good in the real world though it really is really disastrous in the real world right right now yeah that's true with that too yeah yeah isn't that crazy it's like the very thing that made you special could [ __ ] you in the real the real world guys like that go to prison they don't exist in the real world yeah take them out of there it's crazy now they have to they have to remove them from the real world those kind of people like myself isn't that what's crazy like that's where the crazy adjustment has to come in where you have to learn how to be and that's where cannabis helped you a lot too oh man forget it i get it i get it but now you're not smoking any weed getting ready for this fight do you miss it well i understand my the discipline of this stuff yeah what i don't like about it that is just that without cannabis i it doesn't matter being i just get mean yeah i don't like the mean stuff like i don't like i might snap at my wife and my kids that's what i don't like right what uh right right well i see the sparkle in your eye again it's a little different right now than the last time i was talking to you there's a little more intensity going on but it's also you're ramping up yeah you know i'm just always um and sometimes um i get beside myself and i forget that um i have to use i have to be grateful yeah what i love what god did in general and um sometimes um i get caught up into my ego right so it's just a struggle but i'm working on it i never worked on it before so that's the start right right i never could consider working by but that is the thing right what gets you to be a championship level fighter can really [ __ ] you up and hold on oh i can't believe i'm so happy my wife is still with me i'm just very grateful because i miss useless and stuff and i have to learn to do i have to learn how to live life yeah life i'm disastrous and living life oh [ __ ] joke i did it i would never believe you know using these nice words and i'm conducting myself you come to my nice house and you would say this guy is just uncool the uncouth neanderthal you know so obvious i used to listen to my wife people think it's stupid i listen to this right so she told me become before i came in be kind and be nice to evidence be kind and nice because i don't eat most of the time i want to eat afterwards and if i don't eat enough she says she's going to get angry can you please eat so she's forcing me to eat this stuff for friday goodness and so i said okay i eat but um she's right because of time we've been married 11 years well you got a good one then man you got someone who balances you out someone who understands you yeah i don't know listen i was talking i said you know sometimes sometimes i think about um we're together and this is going to be over something we're going to die once one of us is going to die before the other ones and say i would not know what to do if you died first wow and i had to take care of these kids because the whole life is me and all my kids right her life is me and not only our kids the two kids that we have but huh life is me and all my kids right and um i would just love her and marry her just for that alone no [ __ ] no passion no sex that alone yeah yeah that's beautiful man find someone who balances you out like that absolutely but that um what we were talking about where the very fire that gets you to be mike tyson that turns you into this destroyer inside the ring will if you don't learn how to control it we'll [ __ ] you up in every other aspect for instance like after my one round fights some of them calls me lawsuit because right after that i'm you think i'm calm down you think after 30 seconds or 45 seconds hey he's cool after one run everything's cool he's happy it's over it's still ringing yeah it's revving up it's still wrapped it's not finished it's not dead the energy's not dead not the energy just that your jet the energy of hurting somebody is continuing to hit somebody it's revved up right and so the first thing you hear that indicates altercation it's not hey what bro it's just off and you have no control over it right you have and it's almost like you're insane like why can't i stop this why is this happening to me why am i in jail right now [Laughter] and you're mike tyson so it's not like anybody can tell you not to do it or anybody can tell you to shut up or calm down and you're not going to listen to anybody you're the [ __ ] king of the world but it's crazy when the people in the jail and prisoners know you real well you know they're familiar with doing when they see you they're not excited now right yeah they get really familiar with you um jamie foxx is gonna play you in a movie that's gonna be interesting that's gonna be interesting it's wild if anybody can do it jamie foxx can do it that's a talented man he's really good at what he's [ __ ] talented he that guy could do anything he's one of those dudes you listen to him sing you hear him play music you see him do stand-up comedy then you see him act like this [ __ ] guy can do anything he's just one of those dudes that can just lock in on something and he can do anything yo listen when the light is on you when um when the when the universe puts the light on you there's nothing stronger than a person whose time has come yeah it's all about the light man all of us get it you mean i think the homeless man on the corner the blind and parallel paralyzed guy that's begging in the cup we all get that moment of shine we all get it feelings perform whatever it is we all get it now when jamie is playing you what does that feel like i know michael j white played you once yeah did you talk to him about it i didn't know him or anything i was in jail when this guy was all that stuff do you know michael john i met him a few great guys he appears to be very very nice guy i've known him for a long time and very respectful guy too but was it weird watching someone play you dig no no no no it's just that ego [ __ ] kicks in so i'm watching it and he and he had some good qualities and he did some really good stuff that i thought um but the stuff that he did that represented me i don't think people even picked up on it like what kind of stuff it's the way he moved his head yeah people don't know crack my neck all the time yeah what was that about you're always doing no um what had happened when i had fought bone question smith he had hit me and the next thing i know i don't know how to quick in my i couldn't stop my neck was messed up so i had to go in um the chiropractor i don't know what the heck was wrong with it did you ever have neck problems like would you you need surgery yeah you you remember when i used to do those rolls on my head yes the football yeah bridges they destroy your neck yeah i would do them this is the entry i would do them for three minutes and stop a minute them for three minutes so i do it for five or six and eight rounds and as time went on it just beat me up in there that gave you a crazy [ __ ] neck though man your neck just 20 inches your neck you just started your temples and just go straight down i mean for fighting you need a good neck are you doing anything to strengthen your neck yes i have the weight stuff you ever use the iron neck do you ever you know what that is no it's a halo i'll give you one i have one in the back it's a halo you put it on you pump it up it fits around your head and then it's got a bungee cord on it so you back up like this the bungee cords 50 pounds and then you do these and because it doesn't do this with your neck it doesn't put pressure on the discs so it doesn't move the discs in an unnatural way with the weight yeah because you can do all these different exercises on it but it doesn't ever bend your disc so it strengthens the neck without doing damage to your discs it's a thumbs interesting yeah you know what i have i would love that yeah thank you i really appreciate it i have um what's the name i have a um a treadmill that um you have to put on some shorts first and then you zip you it's like oh in the water no it's not water you put on some shorts you zip the shirts with the plastic that covers the machine and you start running and then you can run a fashion game won't feel anything is it but it's not water inside no you just run on the treadmill it's on the plastic it's and it's zipped up around you this thing right here zero gravity treadmill is that that's what it is yeah wow how's that working that's pretty awesome you don't feel anything then you take the pencil if you feel a little sexy pulling my foot to the floor really yeah really cool so this way it doesn't beat up your joints yeah but listen this is what people don't understand yeah you have a machine it'll be a bit when you're running outside the higher running outside is almost worth messing your joints up really yeah then what the height you get from running outside what's the difference between the height i do i do i don't run outside but like what do you feel man it's just um i can't even articulate this between being outside running and um it's like night and day so looking inside the house on the treatment on being outside running it's like night and day you can't even compare the two is it because you're you're moving you're traveling distance is it because you're breathing in the fresh air like is the spiritual difference [Music] it's just the spiritualism running hearing the birds hearing the the whatever the animals run into breaking the sticks and the weeds you know he's conscious of everything right it's real running as opposed to just exercise on a machine exactly yeah even if you have a headphone on you're still conscious of everything out there now have you talked to jamie foxx yeah well he's getting ready to do this i talked to jamie is periodically all the time we don't even talk about the film really yeah we don't talk about it now he's getting bulked up too he's getting jacked he looks huge he wait till we finish when is this supposed to take place whenever he's ready i guess wow that's wild so when when he gets ready to do it is he gonna hang out with you and try to take on your mannerisms or well he's known for quite a long time so he knows my mannerism he's not gonna if i if i died he can do me right right pretty much you know so he wouldn't have to be around me do you want to help him you want to give him any pointers whatever you want whatever help and what um areas and what direction you need me to help them in yeah that's a it's a great capable of doing it yeah if you're gonna have someone play you i think he's the perfect person he's just good and there's other guys too but he's just he just knows three he has been there you know it's hard to get a guy that's just 20 years old and then we're going to have him portrayed as a 25 and he just never get it right when somebody understands the environment that they lived in at that particular time and they create that environment again in their mind once they they're under the influence of that person they're portraying jamie's gonna get something knock it out the park oh he'll knock it out the park he understands that environment and that chemistry he's going to rein reconnect now are you going to be a consultant on this move or anything to make sure that it's all legit listen jamie will be around me it's disgusting with me i'm sure we have that taken care of as well but you know we're just gonna work this out the best way possible for both of us i believe now when is it supposed to follow you when you're a young man or is it supposed to be you as a champion well we're not gonna talk about that right now it's gonna be a bunch of stuff but you just really dig it oh i'm gonna tell them some really interesting stuff so you're saying that the running outside it's worth it just for the spiritual difference it's worth the beating up on the joints does it does it [ __ ] with your joints do you have like knee problems or ankle problems these days hey i do but um but the guys i work with uh they take care of that right away you know it's almost like it's like i don't know it's like um i don't know i want to say healing like i'm 18 but it's almost like putting super glue on your joints all right you know like super glue wanna get stuck in your finger it is interesting what they can do today like you could heal and recover way better than you ever could before there was no 54 year old men that looked like you when we were kids no no jacqueline was the only one yeah and even jacqueline i mean he was kind of fit but he was just fit because he was disciplined yeah because he continued to exercise deep into his mind what was all about yeah i don't care how good you are on anything you don't have discipline you ain't nobody right you're nothing about discipline because you give up on the slightest struggle without discipline 100 and um that has to be something that you also learned from custody i don't know what this one is i don't know this one he told me discipline is doing what you hate to do but do it like you love it ah doing what you hate to do but do it like you love it that's that is a great quote and if you can do that you could be successful in anything you know you normally are you'd be the best janitor in the history of janitors yeah and i just use that for a perspective not just putting those janitors down yeah you know the best of it i know what you're saying um when when you're when all is said and done i would love it if someone sat down with you and and made maybe a book of all the things that cos taught you now no those things that cost told me and nowadays would not be cool you know what i don't know um customers born in 1908. in 1908 they had a different opinion of people having opinions like women and stuff like that and it's cuss because believing that he cares for the downtrodden people and this and that's for the blacks and latinos and irish people who are being a um abused by the irish people of that time which is crazy um he really um he really was that guy he was the guy that fought for the people that that didn't have um he wanted to fight for them he was just that guy he wanted to be that person he wanted to be a person that people looked up to and he was the boss and stuff he was he just wanted to be a people and when i read his book and i found at the bottom he was successful his whole life he was always the guy in the neighborhood that people came through to settle beasts and talk things over with and loan people stuff and help people out and he liked being in that position of being able to teach people something what he believed was teaching them something but he knew so much about the human mind well he well when he died this is very interesting we were dying in the camille there was um that i lived with him in camille and we went out of the cleaning room and when i saw in this room i saw all books about psychiatry and the mind and everything and mystic stuff and all that stuff and i said this is what he was really about um yeah he just like he believed his mystic believer as well he believed in zen and art of archery and all that he had those books and he was just a believer and more than what we saw yeah you know it was more than what we could physically articulate going on with us as human beings are what we are called when you sit back and you think about your career and how fortunate you were to run into that guy i mean how much did that play a a part in your mind like when you knocked out trevor berbick became the youngest ever heavyweight champion when you're thinking about that we did you do you ever stop and think like man how lucky am i that i ran into that man no no he said he summons me he summoned you whoa makes sense i mean you think about a man whose life work involved psychiatry involved the mind boxing hypnosis training all these boxers floyd patterson had all these great fighters and then he wants one great one before it's over and he's summoned no he wants an animal i'm an animal he summoned you what'd that feel like for you does it make sense no i believe what he told me yeah it it i mean i don't know if i believe you could summon someone but god damn that seems like it's real yeah that seems like it's real i don't know i think you could do whatever you believe you can do if you really believe it yeah well that that was what i got out of all the things that i read about you and him together and being able to talk to you about you and him is that he he gave you these tools to understand the way your mind worked and you just ran with them um i'm an extreme kind of person yeah so i get carried away if your confidence is not a and um a delusional perspective you have the right confidence yeah you get so amped up mike you even even he's sitting here talking to you about these things i could see it in you you get amped up even just talking about achieving things talking about success talking about the mind you know i could see it inside of you you get very fired up about these things yeah um i have to be serious about anything i want to accomplish yeah that intensity is what made you special i mean that that i mean you i can't have people it's the first time i had my wife and kids around me normally this can't happen i have to be away from them for camp yeah yeah no i can tell man you're different right now than the last time i saw you i could tell you're ramping up for this fight yeah it's just it's just what it is i don't i don't know if i like being who i am it's just it's who i am are you planning on doing this and then seeing whether or not you're cool with it after it's over and then maybe going back to the way you work or you just want to do it you just want to do it yeah let's just do it only think about that for now and then let all the chips fall where they may after it's over i just do it i just want to do it i like doing it i don't think it'll be disastrous or nothing this is gonna be awesome and we're gonna do it i'm so glad you're doing it man there's a lot of people that had negative opinions about it and i was like listen no this is interesting okay think about it hold on well you're not that old i'm 53 i'm a year younger yeah but listen the fact is like when they said um they can't get people on the moon because they didn't want to believe it because it's like me they don't want to believe it but what they're going to say what happens i think there's a difference in today than there was in 20 years ago when you were dealing with a 54 year old person when when you talk about recovery when sport science what they know about how to make the body work what they know about training and conditioning people are just different now yeah but they always have to do you could be in so many steroids and pills or whatever they got health growth and all that stuff but listen you can be the best physical shaping right if you don't go out there with a good mental perspective is gonna turn out disastrous yeah if you're not mentally prepared yeah it's gonna be disastrous but that's the thing that i'm liking about talking to you you seem very mentally prepared you're ramped up mike yeah i don't know if i am it's just that um this is who i am i guess um i don't know i like fighting well that's that's why you were so [ __ ] great at it and that's what's so exciting about this is that you're back into that mindset again i guess so yeah i try to control it because i have to know how people at home have to just level my personality down for that's the problem right the problem is yeah yeah turn once you turn the switch on it just to get to keep you know normally when i'm in this mode i only want a slave i don't want a family member i had to cut stuff down to me i don't have to be from a humanity perspective you get in the conquerors mindset it's just that i think everything should go my way while i'm going through this process yeah you know i think no should be a foreign language for this next two months for what i need to prepare for what i need to prepare for everything should go your way yeah from my perspective yeah for me no from me knowing me preparing for what i need to prepare for yeah that's an alien thought process for most people they don't understand like to be mike tyson to be who you were when you were at the top you have to think like that i don't know i think anyone think i think you think like that you think like that i mean to fight i think the fight is the most extreme version of that though for you to prepare for the for let's say who you were going to just say you had joe biden in here for you to prepare for that that's going to be very interesting right you're not gonna come at him like you came out somebody that you know that you're comfortable with you're gonna look at it from a different perspective let me hit him from this part and see where he's going because he's gonna look at you just some small sports jock yeah so you're gonna say yeah i'm gonna surprise him and come in from this direction that's just how we thank the competitive we don't want nobody to think what we are we wanted them to have a little bit of figuring out process with what we are if i had joe biden in here i think i'd get really high before i talk to him oh that would be beautiful i think he would be high too you can't tell me he's not a high guy he looks like he's a high guy he's going to be high he definitely it seems like he's on something yeah but i would get i would get really high before i talk to a dude like that uh just to try to feel you know how sometimes when you're real high you can feel you feel energy from people good or bad you feel it i mean you got the mushroom you got them pegged yeah whoa baby yeah yeah yeah when you're hunting mushrooms you see who they really are behind the screen yes my wife don't like me he's not much to see you on streams again huh don't come in here with a damn shrimp shrooms and dmt don't mess with shrooms what's that that's a no-no for me at the house don't bring that [ __ ] home yeah that's funny man yeah when you if just even micro dosing if you micro dose mushrooms you're around people you especially if someone's lying to you especially they're pretending they're something they're not if i've done mushrooms alone before i used to do like a bag the day i was and then when i stopped for like um three months and i said let me just do a load i'm looking to tell them bang i'm god and you guys are just here for my entertainment [Laughter] they just wasn't telling me that friends is cool and then start sounding whoa it sounds good and then boom i hit you i know some dudes who train on it they like to train on mushrooms listen when i took some mushrooms and i did the bike for two hours but it was like it was just like i was in the zone but breathing heavy you know i could hear my breathing i'm like what the wow i'm going to try and breathe you're going to die holy [ __ ] i don't stop real living i'm thinking i'm dead because that's what mushrooms do it makes you believe you're dead yeah gives you that feeling of [ __ ] like boom it's just yeah i'm i'm i'm living dead feeling that your soul is separate from your physical body listen why can't they listen stop it's like if no it's like you're in this room right i'm in this room and well you said that blew my mind used to i'm in the room and all the room is like it could be like the whole room this whole room is like covered in like a kind of like shaded visible and i'm just covered in the whole and it's just me and everything the whole world is outside of me yeah and it's like i'm gone and everything is just my entertainment i'm just looking in and no one sees me and i'm what it's just oh man forget it i gotta understand hey baby baby baby even though i've been hiding this this stuff for my baby baby i took some shrooms i'm not feeling good baby i'm sorry i'm just not feeling good i'm feeling [ __ ] i'm not feeling good what does your wife say when you do that he said i told you not to eat that [ __ ] stop doing it i'd learn things when i do them though too i learned things absolutely yeah and i said see baby because when i do learn i tell my wife she said this is true i said see the show no the shrimps mama's the show it gives me that enlightenment but it's also once i do shrooms sometimes i know why i have to stop doing the show because i start doing it too much and then i lose concept of time mmm i might have been um like just say me and my wife's in the car we drop off the kid to a class that she goes once every week we drop her off then we come back to the house and i just say hey where's milan we just dropped off mike and i lost that um concept i time yeah yeah it makes regular life seem like trivial so you things like time yeah they don't doesn't mean anything anymore it's a problem yeah if you have to keep appointments oh no i'm not gonna make that um and if you go there and if you your body just the shrimp tell you hey you shouldn't really be here this is not worth our time this is not what we're um this is not what we're vibing on to reach the higher level this becomes disastrous so you know this guy becomes the enemy now he's stopping my enlighten me now yeah yeah yeah yeah shrooms uh it's uh i think it should i think there should be clinics some of them in the country they still a schedule one drug unfortunately in this country but i think there should be clinics where professionals listen have you heard about the um the white cobra the white cobra yeah oh he's a great psychedelic too it's another psychedelic oh the lizard's tail the the centipede yeah yeah no the total question of the toe the shoulder p what else the jelly fish i believe this one and they have they have a quite a few animals that possess that psychedelic chemicals yeah well we're being [ __ ] in this country because they keep that [ __ ] from us and they make it illegal and so many people have learned great things about themselves through mushrooms and through all kinds of different psychedelics especially micro doses they learned how to stop us from drinking they gave us a rule to stop us from drinking by taking shrooms and lsd yeah it stops people from smoking cigarettes i just think um we abused them i think they've been using them since the beginning of time yes people like us we abuse them yeah but people abuse everything they abuse cheeseburgers and alcohol it does you should be able to take whatever you want as a grown man and there's the the fact that this country keeps it from us and and keeps it illegal it's [ __ ] up because it could benefit so many people i think why would benefit the better because they wanted the benefit the people who was hiding from us are the ones that's in benefit i think the people that are hiding from us they're protected pharmaceutical companies well listen i don't know who they are but i know they're somebody yeah yeah well there's a lot of factors there's a lot of factors but for me personally and for a lot of people that i know uh they've gained great benefits from psychedelics they think about this world we live in what do you think about how do they make this how did what is the origin of it yeah yeah the world is a strange place and stranger right now because of kovid and because everyone's locked down society's kind of [ __ ] up and i just think we as human beings what we are who we are whatever we exist to be we're [ __ ] germs and we're the cause of everything that happens to us like i just always think that people let out the vibe like we're we're viruses we're fungus that's what we are fungus if we look at us from um you know the perspective of consciousness what do we do we get sick we get other people sick and we die yeah have you ever heard of terence mckenna you know what terence mckenna is no tell me about parents terence mckenna was a brilliant ethnobotanist he was a guy that worked with plants and he was into psychedelics and he had a theory called the stoned ape theory and he believed that human beings became human beings because of psychedelics he thinks that we developed into human beings when lower hominids like ancient man was experimenting with mushrooms that could be interesting so i think well let me not think that let me say i saw um i saw documentaries and from the documentaries it appears to be that um the world was created off of drugs someone's taking some drugs and then reaching that that believed to be um divine intervention from god and um this is how the world was discovered if you ever do some research in the history of drugs yeah i've definitely done some research in the history of drugs oh so i'm sure you understand yeah well drugs and human beings for sure it accelerates creativity right it gives people ideas but the idea behind psilocybin is a bunch of ideas one of them is that it actually can make people think about things like language and that language could have come about from people making these connections from psilocybin it also makes people a little bit more creative it makes people horny increases visual acuity maybe i'm compassionate makes them compassionate would would bond them in terms of community and also it's better for them as well and if you think about it for long periods of time if that became a part of the human diet and it would make sense that that would make physically because the diet has always been abused our diet is being abused now because that's why we have to obese sure now but and that's what happens with all these um extreme drugs and alternative drugs we abuse them we take them too much we smoke too much wheat well you know we spoke too much we we smoke too many cigarettes we just do too much of everything yeah we do abuse [ __ ] yeah why do you think that is why do you think people do you think but don't you think that that same abuse that same like that's also what makes people great at things too because that same almost the same mindset that allows someone to abuse drugs or abuse gambling and become obsessed with pornography also is the same mindset if channeled the right way that allows someone to become obsessed with boxing what what what's what prevents them from doing the right thing from the wrong thing with the same feeling emotional intelligence yes a lot the majority of the world don't even possess the world the world is not even 50 years old right so um this is going to be a struggle for the next 100 years that's good until we get that yeah that's gonna have to be um our main objective to develop that yeah in order to succeed as human beings yeah that's no truer words have ever been said that's what it is it's emotional intelligence because listen our feelings are enslaved by our emotions and our emotions are enslaved by our feelings and sometimes we sort of placate those emotions by drowning it in food or in booze or in gambling or sex or anything that can continue and then we turn that into memories yeah and then we become enslaved to our memories and never stops right we that's who we are we are an alcoholic we allow ourselves to become that yes we can stop from coming that just like um we learned um alcoholics anonymous yeah so we can learn from that so that's why they learned from that so now it's not hopeless anymore right that's why it's so hard for people because they have a memory of all the things they've done that's wrong and they do it all the time and that becomes who they think they are until they start changing the picture right it's all about changing the channel you know right change that channel in life well that's what's so exciting about you with this new chapter of your life you've just completely changed who you are you went from pot smoking mike tyson who's running tyson ranch who's this real nice guy to hang around with doing hot boxing with mike tyson fun to be with everything's great and all of a sudden you shift right back into mike tyson the murderer again well it's just that um as i said earlier today if we knew who we were we'd be very limited you know we don't know who we are we don't know you don't know what you might do tomorrow when you wake up it's true you might are you married yeah well listen you might get married again you know you might go crazy yeah he might take out a new job no yeah well that's one of the exciting things about life right i mean this has to be exciting time for you to make this big switch yeah think about that too but i think about a lot i think about a lot like you know i'm 54 and then um i'm not going to be here much longer when i go in my love and see my wife and kids again the friends that i loved all my life my mother go see them again i started thinking about that you know you know you know when we think about it i was disguised this guy's book what to say every one beat away from him and turn our internal journey some guy sent me that book and i said wow this is pretty cool because it's true we're only one heartbeat away from dying yeah and going on that long ride of not knowing yeah a feeling because that's when i was on the toe dmt is all about feeling yeah the feel makes the reality how much did that change your perspective on life when you had those experiences it got me in shape it got me this this is what it had me do as soon as i did it the first time i did it it just blew my mind then i did it again and hey you better get in shape let's get in shape what the [ __ ] wrong with you [Laughter] yeah listen and um that's like i did i told you hey you're [ __ ] up especially when you think about it i'm not the guy you have to say hey mike man you know you gained a few pounds let's kind of work it out man you can do it yeah you big fat dumb [ __ ] get your [ __ ] together look at you big fat mother you're a fat lazy [ __ ] that motivates me you need to hear that and you need to tell yourself yeah no anybody the right person needs to tell it to me too who the [ __ ] gonna say that dude they do hey hey hey oh i was i listened i was i was somewhere around freddie i went somewhere to do something then i saw one of freddie roach's trainers irish guy european guy and he knew me for years because i used to work with he said what the [ __ ] is wrong with you look at you man this is not [ __ ] right look at that mike what the [ __ ] are you doing and wow i felt this big brother and he said around a bunch of people but he said you know this is not right this is not right so much i said [ __ ] he's right and um i got right yeah some people would call that fat shaming but i think fat jamie works for me works for me too if i got family i always want somebody yeah somebody's not yelling at me and i found out he that's and he thought that i was a fat [ __ ] he wouldn't tell me i wouldn't be a friend of him i wouldn't be cool with him no more if he's not telling me your mic man this is not right man at least let me know i might not want to do but let me know yeah that i'm not looking good [ __ ] ain't right yeah you know because the guy ain't gonna tell you he's hanging around let you stay eating and [ __ ] hanging around drinking yeah that's the enemy man yeah that's the enemy so you do the dmt trip and then you have it in your head like hey i gotta get in shape absolutely absolutely like sometimes you say like body shaming doesn't hurt people it hurts it hurts some people to me it makes me hey man let me it helps me that's the kind i'm not that guy the only way it hurts people is if you don't listen if someone says you're fat and then it hurts your feelings but you don't work out then it hurts you but if someone says you're fat and it hurts your feelings and you say i'm going to use this as a motivator to get back in shape exactly then it helps you exactly fat shaming is only bad if you don't stop yeah i never looked at it as fat shame like when that's what you said like who's gonna say it to mike like i don't respect that guy yeah the guy that thinks like that i'm not gonna tell him oh i'm that's my enemy right he's not helping you he's my enemy right right he's my enemy so the dmt trip opened your eyes to that absolutely yeah but that's not something you want to do while you're in camp you know um i did it 16 times 17 16 times yeah never regret doing it and that would be good doing it i think everybody should do it it's just um not everybody but everybody wants it yeah yeah for everybody not everybody who everybody who needs it should do it i should say that yeah because some people believe this is all this is the real world out here yeah they really believe this is reality isn't that interesting like once you do it you realize that that world is so more vivid than this world and um we're gonna be in that world longer than we gotta be in this world how about that let me hurry up and die get this [ __ ] all the way all right yeah that's probably true i don't know what it is but it's probably true but this listen this is what happened you do this toe stuff or any of those um interesting narcotics you have a different opinion about dying and the fear of dying yeah you know you say you start to think hey maybe i'm living too long you know [ __ ] well maybe that's just another existence that's that's what what made me think like maybe this is always there and maybe this life that we have that this temporary life that we're clinging on to that's so important i don't know why why why is it even the guy that he's why nobody wants to really stick on to the fact that after he dies over why nobody want to hold on to that yeah then saying well there's something more it's than really being confident with saying hey there's something else after this and that's from scammers from dying early or what you know why do people stick with that is that the smooth is that the soften our ride to their eternal life of darkness or what it might be i mean we don't know until we die right yeah but everybody thinks the people that think that it's just over when you die it's over you the world goes darkness and then that's it that might be right or it might be that you go to that place where you go when you smoke dmt it might be that that might be you don't remember when you were born do you you know you're not going to remember when you died yeah i think when we're born again if we're born again i could remember the life we had never remember this [ __ ] oh i've always said everybody's scared to die but no one's scared to sleep you know sleep no some people are yeah some people are afraid to sleep you know they get their moments where sometimes you say wait i might not wake up this morning because you you hear and you know people that just go to sleep having a nice time with you didn't do any drugs and they just don't wake up that's true too but the thing about sleep is you're pretty confident you're going to come back so you're willing to shut off it's okay but no one wants to shut off forever but um listen the belief that you're going to come back is magnificent yeah the belief to know that we're going to wake up in the morning imagine we went into life like that yeah with that belief yeah and you think life is just temporary and then when it's over you're going to go to an even more magnificent place we say life what life when we that's not life is not over right when we leave this place right it's another form of life we haven't experienced yet right even if it's the black life where it's just all darkness it's a part of life that we have to embrace in some kind of form or fashion well that's the weird thing about the toad right is that there's no visions but the but the feeling's so intense you see yeah right you're feeling so intense even makeup or whatever you see it from that's why feeling is so important we just don't even understand the feelings the eye we just don't understand they they even lie to us right our eyes lie to us i remember the first thing i felt is so insignificant like you're just a part of everything you're part of the whole universe and instead of looking at yourself as a center of the universe when i did it i it just made me realize like no you're part of this infinite thing and you're such a small part everyone is such a small part the universe itself is what's big and you're just a piece of it we're all just feeding each other yeah we're all just feeding each other our blood is just running through each other's feet through the holes the dirt the mud everything the water the ocean the air we're just all feeding each other yeah the bugs there's more listen um there's more stars in there in the space than there are grains of sand in the desert yeah imagine that it's ridiculous what do you think about aliens mike i think we're aliens you think so i think we're descendants of aliens yeah yeah that's the only thing i could come if you can't explain if you can only tell me about adam and eve i'm gonna go with the aliens hmm if that's what you hit me with adam and eve yeah i'm gonna go with these alien guys well there's a lot of people that believe that we're the product of aliens that aliens came down and did some experience experiments with lower hominids and did some accelerated genetic experiments and created people well listen um aliens listen when when certain tribes the people i'm not saying saying um um caucasians when they came to africa even before that when people came to other people the first time they seen them they were aliens yeah first time um an asian man saw a caucasian man that was an alien a black man saw asian man a white man that was an alien yep um maybe they want aliens but that's what they thought they were they were just a tribe of people that encountered them and perhaps they were getting extinct they were dying and they had to um breathe through the the lower whatever you were saying lord hermitage and maybe that this is us because they had certain um as you may know because i know you know you do these kind of researches they already discovered there was um there were different forms of species that that's working down to us that they came from us and now we're at the degree of i guess where the human species divide yeah there was a bunch of different kinds of humans yeah yeah there was many many different kinds of humans and before they were here millions of years before millions of years after we um were erectus after we walked they always been here it was very rare that you could find a a human life that didn't wasn't a rectus they could find a skeleton of one that walked in all fours the oldest person they found is 4 million 4.4 million years old lucy i believe it is 4.4 million years old is nothing it's nothing in terms of people people were erected then people were walking on both feet then yeah you know for me for years four million years ago so they never found i don't believe they ever found the skeleton of a human that wasn't a rectus that's one of the the things about life is that life is so short as well if everything goes well you live 100 years but that is nothing in in terms of the the life of the planet you know how long it took them to build the great wall of china thousands of years two billion two thousand years yeah two thousand years yeah can you imagine that and that's nothing 2000 years is less than what christ has been around christ is young you're not a young crisis you're not young here in terms of the world yeah yeah yeah that's how how bad they wanted to keep the mongols out they built the [ __ ] wall it took them thousands of years you ever read about genghis khan listen um his real name is team ajin yeah and he um let me tell you what happened he's like 13 when he died around 13 what fourteen and he his real reign was like in the 12s and the early 1300s and first of all he came from he's real poor his mother and father they all came they got beat up they took it out he had a woman then they took his wife but he got friendly with a real bad mother a real uh he was a criminal but he was the baddest from all he was so bad and he loved um teemogen he just became you know some guy he'd see a guy and they said one guy was he was really weak at the time and this other gang had took his wife and he and the feminist guy was making llama raid and stuff and he was just saying what is wrong the guy really loved him he said what is wrong he said these people took my wife and he said don't worry i got many away what are you worrying about that one way but i really love that because he really loved her and so the guy said listen i'm gonna help you get your wife back but don't ever tell nobody that we raided this city because of a woman okay and so he went back and the guy got his wife back and so the guy allowed teamagen to be number two because he loved him so much but he got jealous because the men started favoring genghis because genghis would let them raid everything and said keep it all he wouldn't take not keep it or let the men have it all and they all started looking up to him and following him and then the other guy got jealous and eventually jenga had to kill him but he said he wanted genghis and wanted to but he said you have to kill me and so king is killing but you want to go when he said you're not going to spill any blood so he crushed them in the rocks if he wants big no blood no cuts or nothing like that but that was his best friend and after he died that's how genghis had the reputation so you followed them you you pay attention to them you you read a bunch of [ __ ] i named my dog after his favorite wife paley oh wow so i know you've been into that kind of [ __ ] like alexander the great yeah all the all the different conquerors guys pippin charlemagne clovis now is this stuff that you just studied because you wanted to study conquerors that just interest you i wanted to study that mindset you know and um i found that the greatest conqueror is they ever lived um the farmers you know farmers sheepherders somebody that we wouldn't think that's important and stuff and then as they became great through that they may have gave birth to great children who were born with greatness like alexander the great and stuff like philip the macedonian that whole bloodline of alexander they were all kings but they were very small and insignificant until um it was always one alexander before him that was pretty great and fought against the persians but eventually they lost and they pretty much kissed the persian's ass you know i mean the persians put them in a position of power until um philip of phillip macedonia came who had the nickname aka philip the barbarian and he wanted to go across and enslave all the persians and everybody after that the world and alexander the great mother who was a really interesting woman um i'm trying to say albanian maybe and they had a different kind of um study and worship and stuff back then so he got caught up in that his family didn't like her for that but um she arranged for she arranged for alexander's father i think to be killed for alexander to have the power then her kick says the power she could lead to her kids while he was on campaigns right and um when he was on these campaigns now that his father was going he just conquered everything but when he ran into the afghani people he fell in love with them he wanted to breed with him he wanted to create a new race of afghan he is madly fell in love with him and that's pretty much why his his family is not saying but the greeks went um what they went mountain mutiny on him because they were jealous that they were giving big positions to the um the persians no afghanistan he loved him he even quotes afghanistan the most beautiful people of the world god must have loved them more than anybody he made them beautiful he really fell in love with them when did you start getting really into like conquerors when you started 15. you're 15. yeah what what introduced you to it um i was at the table eating with custom a friend of mine named craig what said a statement which was wrong but it sounds really good to make me investigate he said alexander the great at his time was like six five so at six five three hundred years before christ that was a giant which was wrong he was very small the arm was too big for him he's really small guy he wasn't big at all and so just that alone him saying that got you interesting yeah i want him after he was the monks he's a massive guy but i found that he's just a small man average guy you know he's not a mac monster at all not a big man at all but you got interested in the the mindset of the conquerors listen this is what i want to know why would one person think that he could [ __ ] own the whole world one person why would he have that mind who would think like that right why would a man person why would that's not a [ __ ] person that's just something when your egos just got so out of whack where you just can't think rational how do you think like that and you're a nice person it was a guy before him a couple hundred years before him named cyrus the great he was just he was a conqueror but he was a conqueror for liberty he wanted to conquer all slaves and let them go conquer all the slave masters let them go he got killed for that too but can you maybe that sounds that sounds cool too right that's good that's a good thing but listen think about it who the [ __ ] is he to take somebody else's property take somebody else's stuff because he believe is wrong which it probably is wrong i think it's wrong but who the [ __ ] is he right who is this guy to take others just to conquer you you don't bother nobody but this is what they did back there now you're killing everybody back then it was really legal it's almost in the bibles and the books it's not i won't say it but it's in books slavery it's in the books in the religious books that we need slaves and he did this and this guy's gonna say hey no more slaves he's 500 b.c so he's going to say no more slaves no more slavery is wrong out through the whole world so he wants to conquer the world and free of slaves wow so that's just a different mindset yeah the different kinds of mindsets that these conquerors have but who doesn't who he thinks he is who the hell is he he has this little town over here how he's going to call for the whole world his town is right here well forget his town his country is right here yeah you know and he don't even hear him and even conquer this country there now he's going to conquer the world and liberate free to make freedom what kind of no that's nothing if that's not somebody on drugs you don't you tell me no you tell me now be honest that's not somebody's high you tell me it could be coke no [ __ ] it's something right this is the at 500 bc this is slavery is what it is this is the way of the world no i'm going to free all the slaves that's pretty crazy like everybody what did you get out of like reading about their mindset like studying temujin studying alexander the great like what did you get out of reading their about their mindsets um i found out that the greatest ones the best the most prolific ones were all mama's boys really yes afraid of their mother wow napoleon alexander you know i mean wow genghis khan too yeah really yeah what do you what do you think that is huh what do you think that's all about highly respect their mother i'm not thinking they're um i think their mothers were the first especially alexander the great i think she was the first stage mother i think there was some before her too you know because cleopatra was one that's just what they were at the end of that they were they were wanting to lead through their sons or their daughters or something like that oh okay like like that parent that takes their kids to athletic events and screams and cheers and pumps them up and no no no no no it's the parent who whose child word is law and i want to be able to have that word um okay do you get that yeah my son is the king right this country a couple of countries but i want i want i want my thought to be in his mind come out of his mouth do you think the parents convinced the child that they were that special that they should run the world some of them do but as some kids get older like ivan the great having the terrible they get older and then they realize these people weren't right to me and i and they started killing his sponsors of the people that would rip his step parents and stuff you know some of the kings did it too you know so when when you were studying this when you were coming up as a boxer and you're studying all these conquerors you were trying to understand their mindsets yeah and you were trying to apply that to your own life pretty much yeah did you get anything out of it yeah yeah yeah what did what did you get like what how did it apply to your own life well at the end of the day to all ask god for forgiveness hmm all of them so when you're reading all these books about all these conquerors when you're a young man and you're on your way to becoming the youngest ever heavyweight champion and you you're trying to take on the mindset of the conquerors and you find out they all ask god for forgiveness yes how did that affect you that was pretty cool because by that i learned greatness was the willingness to die by you know doing researching on these particular individuals and that's what they were willing to do for greatness um and you you know you heard about achilles and stuff he what does he want a short life of um of greatness than us a long life of obscurity yeah he took the short life and that's what alexander did when you when you study these people and you uh you you take that conqueror's mindset did you get anything out of that did you do you apply that into your own your own pursuit as a champion absolutely because you have to listen alexander the great was 32 and he conquered the known world yeah in 10 years and so thinking about that as a as a young man absolutely i want um i want my preeminence to rival the time that you know in the stands of time it's not rain with it i think everybody should want that that are competitive in the art of um what do you say immortality yeah and i search for it that's what he wanted he wanted he wanted immortality that's what he wanted he wanted to be known since you know till the end of time did you ever think that maybe you were born in the wrong time that maybe if you were born in the times of alexander the great you would also be a conqueror no i am a conqueror now because i have conquered myself and my demons you know not because i'm at that time i'm never born until i'm born in the right time most of them couldn't conquer their demons that's why they asked for forgiveness from god all of them because just like um the gentleman um that discovered um um alcohol is anonymous you know he um he inspired maybe he maybe he had a problem with alcohol at the end but how many people have he inspired yeah that is so much bigger than him succeeding or not with his problem you know what's interesting about him is uh he was interested in lsd bill wilson yeah yeah that was a big thing of his that's what that's what instructed him to have the program yeah to develop the program yeah when you're talking about they all would seek forgiveness from god that's so interesting to me that you turn to cannabis and cannabis will allowed you to forgive yourself yeah i'm listen the reason why they asked for forgiveness for god this is why this is interesting that you said that it's because they believed they were god and they had at the end of the day realize and check themselves that they're not yeah they're not god and then they've done horrific things oh yeah at the end of his life he was so forgiving and giving everything away and so sorry for everything he didn't know how to forgive himself either he didn't know how how do you do that when you think you go how do you forgive yourself so at the end of the day he said look the man who conquered the world died with nothing in his hand he gave everything away he had no swords or nothing he was so freaked out about dying being the rich guy and stuff and having so much property and having the world like he possessed because he had the world it's this gentleman that he well you genius forgot the guy that they named sloth after the animal sloth eugenius i don't know but he was like he's considered a homeless bum nowadays today he would be called obama homeless guy or whatever and alexander been watching him this is how keen he is he's watched this guy for years and he said listen before he became king of greece he's watched this guy this is when he was in the camera and he said hey listen i watch you and i have everything and i'm unhappy and you don't have nothing so what can i do to you to make you happy you know what he said nobody had the balls to say he said first of all you can be kind enough to move out the way of the son and then allowed me to enjoy my day and he couldn't conceive of somebody to turn him down for riches and stuff he couldn't conceive of it it just blew his mind he was so blown away he couldn't even kill a guy for disrespecting him he was just blown away he said this i have everything and i didn't realize he wasn't happy he had it all he's the king he didn't even know where he was getting ready to go he didn't mean to be king of the world but he can't reason he's just not happy and he has everything so he thinks by conquering the world it's going to make him happy and he did and he what happened he turned into a drug wow imagine that it's crazy he ran that's what he experienced with new drugs he listened when um when you went on a campaign know what i thought i thought when you went on the campaign the movies lie they said you go on a campaign that's just about 300 gladiators or whatever 10 000 so you know they bring their whole family with them it's like a party their wives their kids everything they got the um surveyors with them um house builders are with them the people who deal with um agriculture for that time everything's with the wine even for they could test everything when they conquered coffman you know what conquering is we think that's glorious conquering this glory and why because now it is conqueror is robbing rape and illegally taking somebody else's goods and enslaving them that's conquering that's not good people all the people we like we say these guys this guy he conquered this he conquered that they hurt people they did it for greed they didn't do it for we're going to help our people they did it to take things because they could now when you were coming up as a fighter and you were reading all these things about conquerors you you were fueling your mind in that way and you were also studying a lot of fights you studied all the old school champions are you doing that now in this resurgence like are you studying no because i think i know everything about the moment i've did the research no i was a kid so i started reading to that i started going to the other leg level so i go from the level of these guys that are fighters the gladiators all those guys so i go to from them to the generals and from the generals to the gods and that uh but that occupied a lot of your time when you were training right absolutely yeah and did but that what are you doing now like that there's anything that's similar that you do like when you were watching those old school tapes if you were watching like jack dempsey or or harry greb or any of these old school fighters that was there was something about that that was providing you with the inspiration you were you were you were learning from it but it was also you're getting yourself into this mindset yeah because i know if i was like d that cuz would tell you the more you the more you win the more you beat these guys the more the people who applaud them the more you enjoy doing it um and um i wanted the people i wanted people to um have the same feeling towards me that i had towards the older fighters of yesterday yeah so i was madly in love with fighters i was just now just and if i met a fighter hard let's get this kid out of there we just bug him to death let me carry you back and help you this guy do this just [ __ ] you know you think they were going to like you for being hey get this [ __ ] kid away yeah yeah yeah yeah carry a bag can help you with this but you're not you don't um study films like that anymore now periodically but you know what i do sometimes because they have youtube i look at youtube and they have fight let me check out let me check him out let me check also i might see some rave robs and some willy pep stuff yeah i have one let me check this out lomachenko is a wild guy to watch isn't he he's really um he's really nice to watch he's really interesting right yeah i like watching the footwork is so exciting i just like doing that he's like watching a lot of people hate on him but you know that's how it is you know he got the light when yeah that's the light they got after you yep who else gets you excited that's uh fighting today they got a couple of guys haney good the guy she's good good the other little guy from baltimore is good it's quite a few and it has a couple of guys um that's under them that's pretty good that's in that that's gonna come up and be really good with them else spence is really good terence crawford terence crawford is good there's a bunch of good fighters out there the little guy ryan garcia yes he's the hot [ __ ] right yeah crazy [ __ ] i love he's but they're talking [ __ ] yeah and i'm saying i'm an insecurity that's amazing i paint a puncher right in the face they might think i'm a punk let them do that to me and that these guys are friends that look so cool yeah what do you think of the heavyweight division nowadays all right joshua there's all everybody's good for that time i don't think they're bums or anything like that but everybody's i want to have something negative to say about somebody right you know this is their time they're the best of their time you got to give them that credit you can't compete with guys for the past our guys are coming up now this is just their time this is what it is right now this is what it is right now this time we're going to judge it from right here what do you think about it so it's an interesting group at the very top of the heap right tyson fury deontay wilder anthony joshua i mean it's a it's an interesting group at the at the top level right now no it's not interesting they're all exciting fighters yeah they're all going to make a great deal of money they need to fight each other yeah stop bullshitting just all fight each other fight each other a couple of times yeah and then when this stuff is over you guys could say hey listen we did it our way right you know this is what happened to me i'm such an egomaniac i fell in love that's like difficult laughing i'm the king forever i'm always gonna be the king this is the way it is [ __ ] you i never think about tomorrow nothing this is now i'm the king just kiss my [ __ ] ring this and that and the fact that i just thought i never list this is what i didn't listen to cuz say hey yes you always really don't take this person i took fighting personal because they don't take it personally it's not personal right i took it personal and the ego makes me take it personal so when he said don't take it personal what did he mean by that don't allow it to stop you from living your life in a happy perspective i lost the fight don't commit suicide start drinking and doing cocaine and [ __ ] stuff [ __ ] girls without rubbish that you don't know you met him 10 minutes ago don't do these things okay don't do these things when you lose the fight like okay don't do anything you lose the fight you shake the guy's hand you go to the gym you work harder prepare for the fight you pay you win the fight you don't win the fight you prepare harder wait for the next fight you win the fight you don't get the fight fight some other guys you win the fight then fight them again the name of the game that you stay busy you keep working how much different would things would have been if costed a lot yes really different but it wasn't meant for that to be yeah i had to refill i had to figure this stuff out he couldn't protect me my whole life right you know yeah i've always wondered i always wondered what would have been different if he had stayed alive because i mean he had he guided you in such an amazing way you know and you because he was just listening because he's just a hard guy to get along with cust was just enemy prone if he didn't have an enemy he would create one really one of those guys he loved fighting he wants to fight if he doesn't fight he doesn't want to lift wow wants to fight he needs to have somebody to fight if he doesn't have somebody to fight he'll find somebody to fight he must have loved having you as a pupil oh well i listened to everything he said i listened to him i was around him he loved people to listen to him and i took him say everything he said i would do if he told me to kill somebody that would kill somebody you know anything he said i did it did you think about him even today while you're training absolutely after i think about it all the time you know what i mean i think about them all the time i wish she could sell my kids i wish she could have probably seen you know what i did how i did and how my kids turned out and now yeah you know went to great schools and they did cool things and they're just kids and they really they just really um sweet kids that really don't understand life yet and maybe because they didn't have a father like i had and things are different than it was for me yeah you don't want your kids fighting no no i did that that's what i did if i didn't have to yeah i remember you were talking about your son uh hitting pads and like him possibly fighting like man you don't want to find an animal like me there's people that don't have nothing to lose and all the whole dreams about if i beat this guy i'll get that new bike yeah i might get this car that's how it was because if you win this tournament i'm gonna get you this you win the summer i'll get you your gold teeth i will try to save my money off my gold teeth and if i win this tournament you win this tournament i'll get your gold teeth everything everything you always um dangle the carrot yeah you win well listen mike i'm very excited about your comeback i am as well i'm very happy that you're doing it i'm happy you look fantastic it was real cool to be able to sit down and talk to you about it and i'm 100 enthusiastic about it i think so i look forward to seeing you there because i'm sure some people will be there and we'll we're excited no i would try to be there live i would love to be there live if it's possible if i could be there i'm just going to love this [ __ ] i'm excited i'm excited i'm excited looking at you being fit and how enthusiastic you are and uh i wish you nothing but the best brother thank you thank you thank you very much staying with you man you had so much success in doing it thank you broadcast here man thanks brother [ __ ] who would you want to interview i don't i i don't i don't have anybody in my head that i need to interview you want to do bill clinton and none of those guys i'd like to do bill clinton i'd like to get high with bill clinton oh [ __ ] you know he has a brother named roger such an awesome guy yeah yeah i saw roger before my friend's house and roger is just a beautiful person yeah i i but i don't need to you know i would if he wanted to do it i would do it but i don't need to i like talking to everybody man yeah i like talking to my friends i like telling you i like talking to anybody you know that i should know what i did a couple of times i talked to some homeless people and they're very interesting yeah i think uh sometimes i think in the end i'm gonna be i'mma overwhelmed them intellectually and i get humbled sometimes well a lot of humble people are really smart they just [ __ ] up their whatever part of their head that that couldn't keep it together what i mean yeah i think i know you know this guy is out and dirty and teeth fell out and this guy start enlightening me and then he has to tell me to leave because i'm stuck there tell me get out of here are you enjoying doing hot boxing hey listen um i haven't done it in a while since this stuff since you started training yeah and um that's cool too that's cool too i don't think i'm a good host while i'm under this kind of duration i understand yeah no i like i said i could see the intensity you're you're ramped up right now you're a different person than last time i talked to you yeah i guess but excited that's exciting this on my wife for she shouldn't have told me to get on that treadmill really she don't believe you predicted it man you predicted it on this show you said i don't want to reignite my ego yeah and you did it but i'm excited that you did it i'm excited i can't wait for november 28th man i just want you man listen oh god man i've been working wait let me show you when i leave here then okay all right show me yeah thank you thank you brother thank you very much sir thank you bye everybody let me show you something i want to show you

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Length: 124min 11sec (7451 seconds)

Published: Fri Sep 04 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/seattle23fv]

Mike looks a lot slimmer and has hopefully gotten healthier, but should he be taking a fight at this age? I don’t want this to end up being another Lidell vs Ortiz situation

[u/LymePilot]

Recorded on August 22 😱

[u/Stannis2]

Uh Hundwed Pathent

[u/amongrelflotsam]

The oddest part was Tyson talking about getting excitement boners from fighting.

[u/almarti2713]

When they were talking about conquerers, was what Mike was saying accurate? I am genuinely inspired to learn this shit now because Mike makes it sound super interesting! Feeling mad inspired after this one

[u/Mortadelli]

Orgasmic

[u/JoeyTavano]

Not up on my podcast app yet.

[u/[deleted]]

what is going on with this sub. 24 upvotes in 10 hours lol

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Is it just me or does Mike's face tattoo look a lot lighter this time?