How Speedrunners get 25 Shines before the game starts

the speed run categories for super mario sunshine can be broken down into three different tier levels up at the top we have the main leaderboards these are the most competitive categories and here below that we have the category extensions which are on a separate leaderboard but still a part of speedrun.com while there's more categories listed here they're substantially less popular finally in the lowest cheer we have every officially documented category with less than 5 runners these categories are either one-off jokes or just never interested many people but one of these categories is here for an entirely different reason in that it's too difficult for the vast majority of people to even complete allow me to let you in on the legendarily absurd speedrun max percent pre-peach first of all what does the term max percent actually mean isn't that the same thing as 100 well sometimes it depends on both the game and the context it's used in in the max percent speed run of luigi's mansion you have to collect as much money as possible let's say that theoretically someone discovers a brand new coin making 5 000 more g's possible to collect if you completed a 10 hour run collecting this much money then you would have the world record the amount of money collected takes priority over how long it takes to do it max percents and low percents are two sides of the same coin so is it blasphemous to discuss max percents on a channel called the lowest percents absolutely like i mentioned earlier context also matters the second part of this category name sets a restriction pre-peach is short for pre-peach getting kidnapped spoiler alerts in super mario sunshine peach gets kidnapped by shadow mario as soon as you unlock the statue in delfino square which is normally the first thing you would do after arriving in delfino plaza so putting it all together max percent pre-peach means collecting the most amount of stuff as quickly as possible before peach ever gets kidnapped stuff includes blue coins in addition to shine sprites even though the tanooki hut where you trade the men isn't available yet but in order to talk about max percent pre-peach i mostly have to focus on its weird older brother max percent pacifist at the tail end of 2017 max percent pacifist spawned from a bit of a meme by sunshine speedrunning legend stelzig what's the most amount of stuff you can collect without harming any creatures by the way any category that doesn't actually complete the game such as 20 shines always starts from what's known as a race file a race file begins in delfino plaza with the airstrip shine already collected and the intro cutscenes out of the way this is important because otherwise a pacifist run wouldn't be able to progress past airstrip since the game forces you to defeat this polluted piranha plant stelz against some other community members began laying out the ground rules there was some controversy about whether or not slinging the choplets in pianta village episode 1 was considered harmful stelza concluded that slinging chomplets into the river is helping them but slinging them into the wall is harmful and therefore not allowed remember this is pacifist so be sure to not jump on those goobas heck you might have two goo boos coming after you spraying birds is also off limits but ground pounding a box is a-okay since it's just dead trees anyways the main limiting factor of this category is that you can never unlock the delfino square statue because of its creature harming requirements apparently mario sunshine is a remarkably violent game so let's quickly cover everything that was known to be possible for max percent pacifist piazza village despite being the last level you're intended to go to is available from the very start the only barrier to entry is climbing the shine gates without the rocket nozzle believe it or not this is actually the easiest points in the game to accomplish this delfino plaza cycles through a few subtly different maps as you unlock new levels or trigger major story events in the first plaza map you can wall kick off the surface this collision permanently changes after peach gets kidnapped the collision in this map is pretty buggy in general because pianta 1 is fine as long as you send the chompwoods directly into the water episode 4 is also controversial but considered fair for the same reason as episode 1. episode 5 is the next major roadblock you're required to use yoshi to unlock a secret entrance but we don't have yoshi unlocked yet that's where yoshi's skip comes into play this not so solid tree allows you to clip into the underside of this mushroom the chuckster secret is a-okay as long as you don't jump in any pianta's heads because that hurts we can also obtain the episode 5 red coin variation the 100 coin shine and episode 6. the episode 7 shine is unobtainable because it requires harming shadow mario 26 of the 30 blue coins are possible all except for the two beehives the butterflies and the bluebird the remaining things have to all be collected in the initial states of delfino plaza even though the serena whenever clip exists the sarina beach loading zone isn't there yet guess we should rename this trick to serena whenever except for right now there's a couple freebies like the slide secret pipe and the secret beach shine the tall grass secret is off limits because various creatures have to be killed for red coins we can reach the left bell by doing a spin jump from a nearby tower the shine itself is also pretty easy to reach even though the boats aren't moving yet we can still access the pachinko machine with a well-timed hover and a ground pound for some extra height the 100 coin shine is also possible you could painstakingly spray every poster window and rooster or you could work smart not hard when you collect a shine spread in delfino plaza or a secret stage that's linked to daffino plaza your total coin count carries over so the best way to collect 100 coins is to collect 50 quick super coins collect a shine sprite then 50 more silver coins the shine itself is a bit tedious to get to but a wall kit cover will barely reach the chuckster who normally chucks you into the building isn't there yet so here's where we have to start getting a little bit creative many great things can be achieved by using fruit do a backflip and throw a banana and we no longer have to use the chuckster put a papaya by this wall engine you get that one slide down a wall and throw a coconut when you hit this ledge and before you know it you're in the cop secret although you have to do the secret with the hover nozzle rather than the turbo nozzle which makes things a little more intense the box breaking minigame isn't available yet so sadly that's two potential shines down the drain otherwise it seems that any remaining shine is just out of reach moving on to blue coins there's of course the freebies like the one in this room three m graffitis and the three different locations in the sewer it's possible to obtain both of the blue coins behind orange jelly without using yoshi for the first one you can simply hover into the side of this building the second one is a bit trickier starting with the setup to get to the cop secret from this tiny area you can do a spin jump hover and barely gain enough heights to ground pound up to a ledge and reach the blue coin you see this guy he's doing just fine but later in the game you rescue him from a fire to get a blue coin so the question becomes how do you rescue a person that doesn't need any rescuing well by manually extending the goop we can sort of bring the danger to him it still entirely pacifist because it's not our fault he didn't watch his step after he drowns himself in goop that's when you swoop into the rescue and he'll reward you with the blue coin for your active heroism the four fruit ladies and the two ex-graffitis aren't there yet we also can't spray the two bluebirds since that goes against pacifist rules lastly we didn't know of any way to obtain the blue coin behind the turbo gate on this island the only barrier to accessing three other shines was that we had no means of gaining enough heights but this barrier wouldn't last for long a couple months later in february goldfire 711 discovered an exploit using hangable ceilings so what exactly happened there you see the banana that was originally used for clipping into the building continues to slide down this ramp while you're hanging from the ceiling inside the building the sliding banana can slowly displace your position whenever mario is in a hanging state the game assumes that any ceiling above him must be hangable so it ultimately snaps mario to the ceiling of the map with this newfound knowledge the shine gates lighthouse and right bell tower shines are finally attainable great news for max percent pacifist right yeah if falling for over an hour to get a single shine sprite is your cup of tea to make things even worse you actually have to do this twice for the lighthouse shine once to break the block then again to collect the shine itself it's not the most elegant solution but a solution regardless so that just leaves the mystery of lily pad shine early there was already a known method that involves storing the text of failing the box minigame again that box game is not available yet so there would have to be some other way this is where a runner named orange comes into play orange is extremely talented at tinkering with all sorts of objects and mechanics to discover things in mario sunshine one of his first major discoveries came on august 30th 2018 [Music] finally pre-peach lily pad he was able to accomplish this by setting a barrel in a very specific spot and then jumping onto in a very specific way this is about as specific as a trick can get sometimes you'll be jumping at this barrel for ages and it just never wants to work the lily pad secret you do afterwards is merely the cherry on top so shockingly nobody actually wanted to play this category it would maybe be acceptable if you only had to do one sealing up warp but four is a bit much not to mention missing one of these shines would cost you over an hour the new goal was to find more reasonable methods for collecting these three shines technically the lighthouse already had its own method infinite wall kicking had been known to be possible since kenny cola did this in 2015 but only a handful of players had the patience to master this technique most of this surface cannot be well kicked from except for a tiny sliver a sliver just wide enough to gain heights with infinite wall kicking first you slowly get enough heights to break the block on top of the lighthouse [Music] then you do the exact same thing again and eventually collect the shine sprays that's two hour plus time saves down and two to go on october 12th a player named sp electric just finished a mario sunshine lockout bingo match during the post-match discord call sp electric was having the time of his life with some barrels and boxes when suddenly buying teleporting barrel for some reason sb had just stumbled upon barrel stacking [Music] barrels have an internal flag that says whether or not they're held or put down by mario for some reason picking up a barrel that's previously been held doesn't cause the flag to become false again so the game still thinks the barrel isn't being held when going over an object such as a box the barrel tries to stay in the same place relative to that object visually you're still holding the barrel but setting it down snaps it to where you were at the moment you crossed over the object that you're standing on at first this trick was seen as nothing more than a mildly amusing glitch among many other pointless glitches in mario sunshine a major breakthrough came on october 18th when noki tweeted a video of barrel stacking's first useful application if you can infinite wall kick onto the shine gate with a barrel in hands this should save over an hour in max percent pacifist you need to pick up a barrel two times infinite wall kick to the top of the shine gate spin jump so the peak of your jump happens right when you cross over the top of the box land on the box then set the barrel down repeat that whole thing again but start your spin jump from the first barrel that you placed cross over the top of the box at a relatively high point in that jump land on the box again and set that barrel down head back to the top and if both of your barrel placements are practically perfect you can just barely reach the shine gate shine it's pretty absurd but think of all that time you can save only one shine remains to be solved the right bell tower according to noki it wasn't looking too good there's a convenient box that's pretty close to the tower but the shine was still pretty much out of reach this was the tipping point for shadow mario 27 who was the first person brave enough to attempt max percent pacifist [Music] he collected everything he possibly could without harming any creatures in two hours 18 minutes and 53 seconds over half of it was spence free falling into the right bell tower shine this absolute mad lad even changed his anime split background like 9 different times which by the way is the secret to shadow mario's power october 26th might have been the most important day for pre-peach discoveries as we know them it all started with orange finding brand new manhole cover tech to set this up you first put a manhole cover into an intangible state some of you watching may have even done this by complete accident at some point here's a simple way to achieve this it's important that you start by standing on top of the cover the cover has a different collision model when it's bobbing up and down versus just kind of sitting there after ground pounding into the sewers exit as soon as you possibly can shortly after exiting begin hovering directly over the manhole cover by occasionally tapping back on the control stick continue hovering until the camera pans back into normal position at this point you can fall right through the cover well for the most part you actually land on the cover for exactly one frame as you fall through it if you manage to time a jump during this one frame window you're essentially doing a full sewer jump from the top of a manhole cover but orange was just getting started he theorized that getting this jump from the manhole outside of corona mountain can give you just enough height to reach the shine gauge shine unfortunately setting up the intangibility the usual way doesn't work there's simply too much space between the cover and the sewer floor to jump into it quick enough thankfully noki figured out a cheeky alternative method for setting up the glitch there's a steep slope next to this manhole cover you can actually clip through by doing a well-timed fruit throw by hovering over to the sewer area you touch the cover during this flipping animation much sooner and can set up the glitch extremely fast after that all he had to do was time a cover jump a clean barrelless method of getting the shine gate shine early choose a piku kirby who had also been trying to figure out a right bell setup it begged the question what if you utilized barrel stacking and cover jumping together would the world even be ready for such a powerful combination later that day and yes it's still october 26th zapika kirby tweeted out a low tad low tad stands for low optimization tool-assisted demonstration essentially a gameplay recording made with the help of save states and rewinds with the intents of proving that something is theoretically possible what this low tad proved is that a much faster right bell shine was finally possible if by much faster you mean hopefully under an hour and by possible you mean utterly ridiculous so you're telling me there's a chance the low tab makes it look easy but you have to cross over the top of this tiny box in just the right way after doing a frame perfect trick then do it again except you precisely land on a glitchy barrel that you previously placed then have to place a second glitchy barrel in just the right way as well there's an insanely thin margin of error for reaching the shine sprite but it's possible and that is all that matters [Music] so one day shadow mario 27 thought that avoiding enemies and the chocolate thing was kind of stupid so sometime in early 2019 it was split into two different categories max percent pre-peach is finally born this made a few more things possible to collect including the two bluebirds in delfino plaza one bluebird in piazza village tall grass secrets piazza 7 piazza 8 and piazza hidden this brings the total counts to 25 shines and 39 blue coins on may 6th orange found a much more consistent lillypad early setup using a banana afterwards he even did his own attempts of max person pacifist and got the first sub two hour time he still used the freefall method for right bell tower because the barrel stacking thing is pretty dang tedious no one had actually ran the pre-peach category yet but that's probably for the best because the final piece of the puzzle had yet to be unlocked remember that blue coin behind the turbo gates that was thought to be impossible orange figured that out as well on june 11th to this day that is the maximum number of shines and blue coins that are known to be possible before peach ever gets kidnapped the discovery of this blue coin inspired nokidoki to attempt the first ever speed runs of max percent pre-peach as we currently know it he managed to get a 19 minute right bell segment with barrel stacking a tragedy to the untrained eye but in actuality one of his better times on that segment he closed out his run with the most recent blue coin discovery and achieved a 106 in max percent pre-peach the entirety of this run is faster than doing a single free-fall strat so the category has come a long way the last thing worth noting is that on september 28 2019 orange completed an unofficial sub-hour run of max person pre-peach he performed this run with speed and position codes active to keep tabs on his vertical speed value after cleaning off the right bell and spawning the shine he begins by making the hidden manhole cover on the beach intangible for later use he then stores a quick burst of vertical speed by side flip diving into a banana before doing any of this he placed a barrel on a specific part of the shoreline there's a quirk with water physics where the transition into water doubles your speed before tapering off into swimming speed orange took advantage of this doubling by grabbing a barrel one frame after entering water grabbing the barrel at just the right time causes mario to no longer be swimming but in a state of standing underwater he can then sidestep back out of the water to attempt this again and gain even more vertical speed as long as your only movements are from sidestepping or changing your angle with the y camera you'll maintain your vertical speed value finally because he made the beach manhole cover intangible he can then use it as a ledge to unleash his speed and grab the right bell tower shine in glorious non-barrel stacking fashion even though he was able to pull this off in real time you could imagine it's nearly impossible without being able to see how much speed you've stored it's theoretically possible but definitely in the realm of total crap shoot until more reliable setups are found orange's 58 minute run may not be legitimate but honestly it doesn't matter max percent pre-peach isn't meant to be a competitive speed run but a showcase of the crazy things that are possible while peach is still perfectly safe for now thank you so much for watching if you enjoyed the video be sure to subscribe to lowest percents and feel free to check out my personal youtube channel averagetradevg peace [Music]

Channel: Lowest Percent

Views: 767,018

Rating: 4.9563775 out of 5

Keywords: mario, mario sunshine, sms, sunshine, peach, before peach, speedrun, any%, max%, low%, low percent, any percent, wr, world record, super mario sunshine, pre peach, percent, super mario, super mario bros

Id: IEOTh5Plf3w

Length: 19min 28sec (1168 seconds)

Published: Fri Jan 29 2021

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