Fun Tier List in Wrath of the Lich King

hey guys in this video we're going to be doing the fun tier list for wrath of lich king and the idea behind this is to give you guys some ideas on what you should main or what you should alter if you're having trouble you're undecided you know just kind of give my thoughts on each of the specs in terms of what is fun because in wrath of lich king you really can play whatever you want and so i think it's important to really hone in on on what is fun what has an enjoyable rotation may be satisfying abilities um you know what what has a good gameplay experience so with that it's going to be the focus of the video of course i'm going to rank some uh some of your favorites down at the bottom unfortunately but you know i think the main takeaway is kind of given my reasoning on how they play and what exactly i do and don't like about them and then when you hear it you can say oh hey he was complaining about stuff i don't care about and it doesn't bother me but the stuff he did say he liked i actually like a lot so sounds like a good pick for me right so right before we get into it though i would appreciate if you followed me on twitch and subscribed to the youtube channel helps me out cool let's get right into it bear bears are bears are your staples nice and easy man they're just they're easy they're fun um you know nothing too complicated going into wrath they get some defensive cooldowns they get a big offensive cooldown in berserk so they can mangle like crazy doesn't have a cool down hits an extra target uh it's pretty i'd say bears are pretty fun you know you still do exactly what you're expecting out of a bear beefy high health um yeah i like bear i think they're i think they're definitely pretty fun very simple though very simple if you're looking for a tank that is going to be very complicated or you're looking for a tank that has a little depth i would not go the bear around next up we have protection warrior now protection warrior is very fun um extremely fun the reason protection warrior is so fun is they no longer have threat issues in fact they have a really good aoe threat they got a lot of talents that are just cool you know when they get hit they're reflecting damage back uh when they get hit or when they block based on their shield block value and they have shockwave now of course thunderclap you know revenge these abilities now scale with ability power they are attack power the entire time they have been in existence so far tbc classic you just always know that your thunderclap and your revenge is just like never going to do any damage and it's just always going to be lame but now it actually scales with gear now you actually can see your character like getting stronger in aoe it's you know very fun to play they can charge in combat they have a heroic throw now to help with pulling even is something you might forget that they also picked up and yeah they just went through like all of the talents and just overloaded them with damage shield slam is reset by devastate now so they shield slam more uh there's even some specs you can try where you're not even playing truly pro you can play arms and cast revenge on a one second cooldown and it does a ton of damage prop warrior is just very very fun very mobile yeah great so many different ways you can build the the gear for the tank as well definitely very very fun and should be at the top of this tier list next we have paladin now paladin is pretty fun i think paladin you know has a lot of things that we don't consistently think of as fun right it's got a lot of utility it's got a lot of supportive elements and i don't think the average player necessarily thinks that's super fun right like how fun is it to blessing of freedom people how fun is it to dispel people how fun is it to press you know mini salve um or sorry mini sacrifice big sack um you know for some people they're just gonna press big sack when the raid leader tells them to um you know these abilities of course there's a big sacrifice which reduces the damage the entire raid takes redirects it to you there's a little sacrifice that is going to reduce the damage a target takes reject reject it to you all in all i think that paladins are still fun they get a lot of improvements from tbc their avengers shield is instant cast they have shield of the righteousness which is like a shield slam now they have hammer of the righteous which is like an aoe attack it feels like they're um they're actually getting involved with uh weapon weapons now and actually your weapon kind of matters more actually have a weapon ability which is pretty cool they no longer gear for spell power they gear just normal tank items now all things considered i think i do think they're fun i think they're enjoyable i do think there's some other specs that are just a little more exciting but all in all i do think that um the the protection paladin is fun next up we've got the blood decay now the blood decay has a very big range here just depends on the kind of person you are if you like to run dungeons if you really like the blood theme it's going to go down here because blood decays are not the most fun in dungeons they're not the most fun uh on raid trash especially if you're playing as blood now you can respec if you consider this tank death knight you can play a frost kind of hybrid build which gives you a lot better threat on trash and a lot better snap aoe threat but blood decays in general everyone talks about wrath of lich king how oh threat's not a thing threat's infinite you can definitely still have threat issues especially on aoe and blood decay does have issues across all the tanks they definitely the worst snap aoe threat so that is something to to think about now of course for raid tanking they have really good single target threat and they have a lot of self-healing i think at the end of the day when it comes down to blood decay it really just depends on what you're looking for i'm going to average it out in the fun tier but you know if you're someone that really wants the tank to be really tanky really survivable love the self-healing you love feeling like uh you can go a while without even getting healed and you're kind of almost an independent tank at some points in time you know it's really fun i had a fight on the beta where we had a healer die and we were doing ten men max rammus and we were on safaron we had a healer die and we completed the fight with one healer and i healed like for 300 000 and i healed myself as a blood death knight as much as the holy paladin healed me which is a really cool feeling right that's pretty cool so i would say it's going to be in very fun if if you're into tanking from the point of view of being really tanky it's going to be an all right though when it comes to doing trash doing dungeons and for a lot of you you might not want to play frost and you might not want to tank dungeons as frost and that might be your best option in terms of threat that might take it down a tier for you so i'm going to average it out to fun tier but you can see it can be really fun or just all right depending all right just one thing to mention on tanking in general tanking in general is much more fun in rat the lich king from the point of view of threat so if you're a tank player of course everything is going to move up a tier just because that's the stuff you prefer but yeah in rap the lich king tanking is going to be a lot more fun for most people that are looking for you know a nice easy experience in dungeons don't want to be chasing mobs around it's a lot easier to hold threat so that's really nice next we'll go to the healers um holy paladin now holy paladin's a tricky one because it's the only one that i have trouble discerning where to rank it based on how strong it is and the reason for that is holy paladins are very strong and also very fun now if you consider the fact that they heal an insane amount you could put them in the top tier but i'm kind of trying to do the list in terms of you know how enjoyable it is to play in terms of its kit but with that said it's kind of really really fun to just be insanely overpowered so so holy paladin is going to stay at the very top of very fun just know that if you like to play classes that are strong you like to carry raids you like to feel very powerful holy paladin is going to be top tier it's just we're looking at just the kit i think there's another healer that does things a little more um things are a little more exciting with that healer so um yeah that's how i see holy paladins you know lots of utility um sometimes that's again not the most fun thing for everyone but they heal really hard beacon is insane beacon has unlimited range you can heal anybody and it will hit your beacon across the map um so many plays can be made with that you just are you're gonna feel very powerful keeping up the tanks a really good tank healer can heal multiple tanks at once holy paladins are insane very strong of course raid sack as well feels very satisfying especially as a healer because you're watching the health bars you're watching everyone die feels satisfying to be able to use it and prevent a bunch of raid deaths yeah i would say definitely holy paladin very fun or or top dear next we'll talk about holy priests now holy priest is the you know i had no expectation going into the beta to play this spec uh i tried it on the beta and i was like wow this is really fun i really think holy priest is very fun um and it even you know and i'm working on making sure i get my priest leveled in time for wrath of lich king so that i can play this class because man it's a lot of fun i was not expecting it i it makes me want to heal with how fun holy priest is i can pull up some abilities here because not everyone might know as much about a holy priest holy priest has a really cool talent at the end of their tree called guardian spirit calls upon a guardian's period to watch over the friendly target it increases their healing by 40 prevents the target from dying by sacrificing itself if they were gonna die so basically it achieved deaths and takes them to 50 health if they're going to die it stays on them for 10 seconds you know with that cheat death effect and until it goes away they have 40 increased healing so a lot of cases this is just very very good but there's this really cool glyph that says when it lasts its entire duration without being triggered the cooldown is reset to one that is crazy fun crazy fun and very powerful um you know a lot of glyphs will take glyph of flashy but mana doesn't really seem to be an issue for the holy priest at least in my testing you know with a really under-geared character i was spamming like crazy shadow fiend is insane in wrath and is giving so much mana um i don't think that that glyph is necessary so you can definitely run glyph of guardian spirit and it's just super fun imagine as a healer anytime you think somebody's gonna die you press one button no matter what happens you know they're either going to live and you pockets you know they proc cheat death and you save them or your cooldowns reset to one minute it's win-win it never feels bad to press it because you're either happy the person didn't die and you're like cool i get back in a minute or it triggers the cheat death you're like dang wow i actually saved that guy so it only feels good it's just an amazing ability to use um besides that you know they still have circle of healing it has a cool down now which i think makes their game play a little more interesting use prayer of healing there's this really cool glyph for prayer of healing as well which causes an additional heal over time yeah all things considered i should i don't want to get two in the weeds with holy priests nerding out over holy grace i just think it's very fun i was not expecting it makes me want to play healer very very enjoyable so much variety you still have mass to spell you still can single dispel get rid of diseases you know still able to mind control things and a lot of aoe healing lots of different healing spells in your toolkit greater heel and flash heal you get instant cast flash heals from procs as well which is a new talent change but yeah very fun spec very enjoyable and i would say kit wise more fun than holy paladin even though you might consider holy paladin more enjoyable because of how strong it is next up we have disc i think disc is kind of boring um you know i'm not necessarily a disc expert but uh disc press power would shield a lot they press power shield a lot if you want to play disc get ready to press power words yield a lot and of course they've got other abilities you know what's going to make a disc player you know skilled is how they know when to stop shielding and to do certain heels and they can make the most out of uh the disc talent that gives them mana back when their shields break i think it's yeah rapture when your shields break they get mana back and they can spell bash this or whatever you want to call it where if multiple shields burst at once they get you know multiple um procs of that but i don't know at the end of the day they're just pressing power would shield a lot so definitely not something i would consider traditionally fun definitely not a spec that i would rank really highly um with that i'm also going to but penance is really fun penance is really fun a really cool move he feels really strong to use so i think a lot of people will like it for that i think for five-man content it's fun but for raids you're mainly just pressing power shield next we have resto shaman now this one really saddens me because rest of shaman is traditionally my favorite healer riptide's one of my favorite spells but it just doesn't feel quite especially in low gear doesn't feel as good as the other healers to play um you get rip tied but you're mainly playing the same as tbc uh i do think there's some skill cap with riptide so what rip tide does is it's going to be an instant heal with a hot but in the wrath version riptide it gives you the ability to chain heal the riptide target it'll increase the amount that the chain heal heals for but it'll consume the riptide so essentially you're going to be spreading out some riptides you might even be planning ahead on who you're planning on chain healing and then when a burst of damage goes out you know chain heal those riptide targets do some extra healing so there is some play to it there's some skill involved there um by all means i think rest of shamans are perfectly fine and wrath balance wise but yeah fun wise just not enough for me um not enough changing from uh tbc and i was really surprised you know i was excited it was one of the first specs i tried on the beta you know went in started healing some dungeons and i was like man this just isn't as fun as i remembered it being and yeah i just i just didn't enjoy it as much which is a shame because i usually really like resto shaman but again it's still alright still perfectly fine rib tide's a cool spell some stuff to think about there so definitely not a a worthless class by any means you now have tidal waves to manage which is going to um you know make your lesser healing waves really strong your healing waves faster cast and you want to manage that effect as well so that is you know pretty cool as well but that's where i would see the rest of shaman definitely definitely not super high on my list then we got the rest of druid i think the resto druid is fun i do think they're fun um i think that they are kind of a better version of disciplined priest and that they are kind of just spamming the same heels over and over on the raid they at least have a little more variety they do have nourish now you know they could single target heal if they need um but generally they're gonna be rolling hots all throughout the raid do you think they're fun you do it's high apm you know you're impressing a lot of abilities you know cycling through them but a lot of regrowth or sorry a lot of rejuvenation are you ready to cast rejuvenation a lot rejuvenation is the building you're gonna be pressing like crazy um of course this ability you're going to be pressing pretty much off cooldown wild growth very strong aoe healing really going to help because druids didn't have much aoe healing outside of their tranquility in tbc so that's really nice all right that's it for the healers and that's it for the tanks again just closing note on healers healers are very very strong in this expansion they are very powerful i think healing is a lot more fun than in tbc as well because you're able to feel very powerful uh when you're you know you just heal so your heels hit so hard and you have so much mana and there's so many things you can do healers are just very powerful a lot more ability to save people which is really cool all right let's get into some of the we'll start with casters now again full disclosure i have tested every single spec here but i am not typically a caster player so while i have tested all these specs um i'm not a caster player and the physical and the tanks and the healers i've i've done more maximus rating on with the beta test and we're dungeons in general whereas the casters i've mainly just tested out the rotations and of course have some memories of how they played um back in the day as well but yeah keep that in mind that i'm not a caster guy but i'm not going to let that affect my rankings uh nonetheless now we have demo now i would say i'd say demo without the demon transition would be all right with the if you're just considering the demon itself the demon is very cool you turn into a demon metamorphosis you gain a bunch of new abilities that are you you know unique demon abilities main one is the immolation aura doing a bunch of aoe fire damage you can do insane aoe damage as a warlock um yeah i definitely think that because of that it deserves to be in one of the top two tiers now for me outside of the demon i think it is not as fun as some of these other specs but inside the demon is super super fun so you know it's just a toss up at the end of the day definitely one of the most one of the more fun specs um but yeah i would i would put it up there in very fun um irritation still going to be different from what you're used to in tbc you still have more going on there so that'll be exciting nonetheless but yeah mainly exciting when you turn into a demon next we have our canned mage arcane mage unfortunately is definitely gonna have to go towards the bottom for me arcane mage is going to be pretty much the same thing you're expecting from arcane except now they have a chance to proc arcane missiles um but if you get unlucky you then have to arcane suspect it's probably gonna be you know complaining to themselves a lot there's some rng in their rotation essentially they're spamming uh arcane blasts over and over and then they have a rhythm of like okay four arcane blasts and then a missile barrage or three arcane blasts and a missile barrage depending on their mana management and this missile barrage makes their arcane missiles um you know free and gives you like a super super arcane missile so you're going to kind of be trying to manage that and then that's kind of it you're just casting arcane blasts and arcane missiles so arcane was already simple it got a little more to it and you can use arcane barrage um to drop i guess it's just something you do in movement and something you can do to drop stacks but yeah not the most exciting spec and i would personally put it in all right especially because you can play another mage spec that is very very fun now fire mage is not actually fun if you were to create like a template character and test it on the beta fire mage is not actually very fun with really bad gear but it just gets more and more fun throughout the expansion you need a lot of crit and you need a lot of hit i mean a lot of hit for a single target you need a lot of crit in general for the spec to work but man it's very fun you're launching out instant pyros it's the hot streak gameplay where um you know you're going for those big big pyros you see where in the talent tree hot streak is there it is anytime you score two non-periodic spell crits in a row you have a 100 chance to cause the next pyro to be instant and of course that pyro can [ __ ] um and then combustion comes into play as well which is really strong you start with 50 crit chance and it keeps ramping it up um really really fun last until you have cast three non-periodic crits so you're at least gonna get three crits from it very very fun uh yeah fire mage is sick i really like fire mage i think that it is one of the most fun specs in the entire game next we have ellie shaman ellie shaman is fun ellie shaman is fun ellie shaman is very satisfying to play i don't know how to put it it's just like bear you know it's really simple but it's fun you know the lava burst is the satisfying ability to use um chain lighting lightning bolts shooting extra procs out you know your lava burst always crits so it's always a big number very satisfying it's just you know it's simple easy not too much going on with the rotation gives you the ability to you know focus on your damage and then focus on using your utility with your totems whenever you need it but yeah just simple fun satisfying again if you don't think that spell particles and stuff look cool i guess it would be just really basic but it's just i don't know it's just cool it's just a cool spec shamans in general are pretty cool with all the different totems and now they get a weapon in view that actually gives them spell power it's not that big of a deal but and these shamans in general are cool and i think ellie's ellie is fun uh frost i am uh with frost you know i see it as more of a pvp spec um you get your freeze which is really your deep freeze which is really cool and pvp now i have heard some exciting things about deep freeze on targets that can't be stunned in that as you get more and more geared you can just one shot like heroic bosses or normal bosses and it just does an insane amount of damage that it's super strong so i have heard some people tell me about that but uh probably not gonna rank frost simply because i haven't tested it and every other spec i've actually tested but i didn't play frost because i see it more as a more as a pvp spec of course you could play it in pve it would probably be all right but yeah not something i've really played so i'm gonna i'm gonna leave it out for now but definitely very fun in pvp though and will be very cool there next we have affliction affliction is one of those specs that is hard it's hard to play but if you're looking for a challenge if you're looking for engaging gameplay you're looking for a spec that you can try and maximize the damage output by playing really well affliction is definitely a spec for you it is hard though so it is something that's going to take a good pilot but man there's a lot a lot you can do to really get into the spec you know trying to get the most amount of spell power for your corruption that's going to be snapshotted again i don't know if that's going to be fixed it's supposed to be snapshotted but it sounds like that's still bugged on the beta but you know very very fun spec a lot of play to it you have to manage your pet now which you might not be used to from tbc warlock haunt i think is just a really cool ability i don't know i like the particle i think it's just really cool it gives you a lot of healing as well healing you for percent of the damage it did and it amplifies all your other debuffs um yeah siphon life is baked in now so you just by default heal from these abilities um it yeah just i think uh a very fun spec in general of course on holly you might not know about unstable affliction because you might not have played the spec too much in uh in tbc because it wasn't really even the best spec or even affliction to play but yeah get that ability too all right shadow i think shadow is very fun as well i think uh i think shadow is really enjoyable it's kind of like affliction light but it has some of its own perks as well i personally think that you know you've got less dots to manage than affliction um you got new aoe now in mindsear but i still think it's really fun um you know i think it should probably do better i kind of felt like it had some mana problems to me when i was playing with it on the beta but i'm sure that gets better with gear i'm sure that gets better you're in a raid setting with more buffs and stuff but yeah shadow priest was was satisfying to play i like the rotation and i think it's just another one of those specs where if you're just looking at it from a purely damaged rotation point of view you know maybe you'd be better off playing a different spec but if you like the priest utility you know potentially being there to mass dispel mind control sometimes if needed even dispel people um you can do that and then you also provide some nice healing to the group but yeah shadow priest is fun i enjoyed it i think i think it's got a good rotation i think it's fun to play devouring plague is now um a baseline ability that lasts like 15 seconds or something that you keep up as a dot and of course you get dispersion too which is a huge defensive that gives you mana back as well that helps with the meta issues as well but dispersion is something you can use to ring ccs which is really cool as well yeah like shadow beast a lot next we've got boomi now boomi's an interesting one because they have one very fun move and then after that i don't think there is fun now they're definitely doing better than i feel like a lot of classes now probably have to at least put them like somewhere decently high in the fun tier i know a lot of people really excited for boomi it's all about starfall starfall is a very fun move starfall does a lot of damage and because it's like a number of stars and it's kind of divided you you initially think that starfall is just an aoe move but it's not and it's really really good no matter how many enemies there are so it's really big damage from that ability really fun ability every one and a half minutes it's really cool after that you know i think typhoon is a fun ability for you not for your group because you're gonna be doing dumb things with it um you still got still got your treants and they now have this eclipse system where you cycle between starfires and wraths so i think i think boomi is way more fun than it was in tbc it's just it already wasn't too high up there i put it fun i personally again maybe personal bias here i just don't see it being as fun as these other specs because i think while star fault is cool i think demon form is cooler and i think the kit of the warlock is you know the demo warlock is more exciting than the kit of the boomkin besides the big cooldown that's why i have it here but definitely fun i can remember this tier this is not second to last or whatever this is fun these specs are fun i enjoyed playing restaurant druid i want to play more wrestler druid you know i want to play more feral these are these effects are fun so don't think it's it's too late so that's where i have the casters next up we have you know the hunter specs uh i don't know man i thought mmm was fun i thought mm was was really enjoyable um i think the end of talent tree what is it called chimera shot a chimera shot's pretty fun it refreshes your your poison that you put out your your sting and it instantly applies an effect which is pretty cool of course ninety-nine percent of time you're gonna do serp instinct for damage but you've got the other thing there if you ever want to do something clever with it you know you've got your silencer shot interrupt which is nice um it does do 50 weapon damage so you can use it for damage as well yeah pretty pretty simple uh all hunter specs no longer have to deal with swing timer your auto attack goes off during a steady shot so all hunters specs became a lot more chill to play i'd say mm doesn't seem too intense um pretty fun you know if you're looking to up the ante though and play something a little more complicated i would go with uh survival i think survival is a spec that is very fun um it's got this talent called lock and load that you play around right here and your traps and you know your traps have a chance to cause your explosive shot to not trigger a cooldown explosive shots this ability that has a one second like dot on the target and well i guess by the time by the time your global is up it's like a one second dot but it lasts two seconds but you don't want to spam explosive shot back to back if you press explosive shot two times in a row you're actually going to clip into that you know bonus damage there that you're getting so it's actually kind of an interesting rotation you know you're going in you're dropping traps you're trying to um you're keeping up black arrow you're keeping up serpent sting you're trying to get lock and load procs depending on when they proc it's going to change how you play and then you don't want to mash the explosive shots too fast back to back but you want to use them as fast as possible so you're ready for another lock and load proc so yeah all things considered very fun fun spec um you know you can take scatter is part of your your build really easily now so that's a cool thing to play with you know you got wyvern sting if you want utility as well you've got a few different things that you can take in your your your talent tree to make you know playing the game solo wise more fun or in dungeons and stuff yeah all things considered very fun spec unique spec you're not melee weaving because you can't like hit anymore but if you really like the melee weavings 100 play survival because you're still going to going into melee for traps still going to have a cool play style i haven't never heard anyone say that survival is not fun everyone i've talked to that played survival in wrath thought it was really fun and i indeed think it's pretty fun as well i definitely thought it was more fun in single target as well when you're able to like sit there focus on a boss really get your lock and loads going i think it's the most fun there is there's that uh bm now bm this is one this is one where you know don't hate me for it but i do think bm does belong pretty high up there in the frontiers because this is a fun tier list and i really do think for a lot of players it is very fun to be able to tame a new pet keep in mind all hunter all hunters have pet talent trees now which is cool but the bm hunter in particular allows them to tame an exotic pet and then they get more skill points in that town tree as well and the exotic pet could be a dinosaur you know it could be a rhino it's just it's just cool it's just cool and bm is super easy to play uh kill command is no longer uh like a six second cooldown or whatever it was it's now like a one minute cooldown effect so your rotation is bm is very simple very simple very easy it's just like ellie and i put it next to ellie it is simple fun casual friendly um great for solo play uh it's just it's just a good spec for for a beginner good spec for a new player good spec for somebody who wants to just chill back you know we all know those people in your guild that are under certain influences or drinking a bunch of brewskis whatever it is they sound incoherent but they're having a good time right put them on a you know have them on something like ellie shaman feral you know maybe not have them tank but you know you get the point put them on an easy spec and they're going to have a good time so i would say bm should be up there and i think it's a fun spec next we have your enhancement shaman now enhancement shaman can play spell hands they can play normal enhanced either way it's just very fun you've got uh wolves now uh you've got maelstrom weapon maelstrom weapon is sick makes you really strong at soloing stuff you already had like infinite mana now you can infinitely heal yourself with instantly and all that you can chain heal your group if they're dying in emergencies but 99 of the time you know you're going with the offense here you're doing damage they have a pretty exciting rotation fire nova is no longer a totem fire nova is now an ability that shoots fire out of your fire totem so the rotation gets pretty involved you know you've got storm strike you get into lava lashes new it's your storm striking you're shocking you're fire knowing you're using your maelstrom at the highest priority you always want to make sure you use your maelstrom and then your lava lashing as well but yeah having multiple play styles with spell hands and enhanced depending on what you want to go with i think makes this spank very very fun um and i personally would put it very high on on like a fun tier list um it is another rotation that's a little more involved though so keep that in mind uh but you know you still have the satisfying spell effects like wind fury and stuff is really cool if you play normal enhance and of course spell enhance even though you don't use winfrey you still feel cool because you're doing something kind of you know you're doing something that doesn't seem intended by the game it's kind of it's kind of cool it's a cool strategy all right now we have uh combat rogue now combat rogue this is a tricky one so i played combat rogue in original wrath the lift king and obviously i played a lot of rogaine classic i can't put combat rogue too too high though because the combat rogue does not gain that much from tbc going into wrath now it sounds crazy to say that because i do gain fan of knives they do gain killing spree but and they are able to use axes now but when it comes to like killing a boss single target basic rotation you're kind of just doing the same thing you've always been doing you just now have killing spree but killing spree is fun the thing is those of you that like rogue it's still fun you're still gonna love it it just got better it's just even better but it's not like anything mind-shattering like take we're about to do arms warrior arms warrior got a new overpowered talent that changes how the rotation works right you know a lot of these specs hunters they all feel very different they play very different than how they do in tbc um you know ellie got a new defining skill that's like brand new i you know i do think rogue is fun but you know objectively taking a step back you know uh even though i play rogue a lot you know i think i just got to say that if i compare it to the other specs on the list it doesn't gain quite as much you know tricks of trade is not something that i would consider fun for you as a rogue but it's you know a powerful effect i think the big thing when it comes to rogue and wrath is that they're very powerful and that's what's going to be fun for people is doing a lot of damage um but when it comes to actually you know looking at their kit looking at how enjoyable they are i do think they're they're still fun but i wouldn't rate them super super high i do think combat is more fun than assassination i think assassination unfortunately uh really suffers from the problem of their rotation is very simple and their energy their abilities cost a ton of energy so if you look at what they're pressing mutually costs 60 energy you know you don't have that much energy as a robe 60 is a lot right so when you're you've got this talent over here vigor that gives you 10 more energy but when you're spending immediately that's like half your energy gone in one ability you're going to find when you're playing assassination rook you're sitting around pressing nothing like a lot it plays super slow it plays super slow it's like mutilate mutilate you know and then you might want to pull some some energy and venom mutilate mutilate you know and venom mutilate you know with my pauses being like how often you're using the abilities it actually plays pretty slow it's a very simple rotation your your slice and dice is auto refreshed by your venom so you don't even maintain slice and dice anymore you have one button you press once a minute that increases damage caused typically you know in something like a dungeon you might just open with uh a garrote and then refresh this um in something like a raid you're always gonna have a bleed up i'll try and i'll try and get this a little more quickly i'm taking too much time and assassination uh the only really thought going on with assassination is how to use overkill which is something you use coming out of still something you use coming out of vanish but yeah that's just i don't think i can say it's fun and that you can use mutilate now it's nice that mutilate doesn't have a positioning requirement we haven't been able to play mutilate as a as a meta spec too well before but that's kind of where it ends for me i think it just plays super slow not a spec i'm super excited about but again very strong very simple and you could argue just like ellie shaman maybe it should be up there satisfying sound satisfying effects i just feel like the pacing of going multiple seconds without pressing an ability is is a little slow for me but you know for some of you it might be right up here you know maybe you think the venom sound is cool i think it is cool uh maybe it's enough for you to have those big mutilated creatures it's not too it's not too bad again it's all right i would still play it it's just not my first choice next up we have um we can do we have a few more melee left let's do red i think red paladin is fun this seems to be controversial i don't know why this is controversial oh i forgot to do destro i'll do them next i think rep paladin is fun man i really do think rep paladin is fun i think rep howard is simple i think we're not paladin easy i think they're fun though i really do think they're fun and i think that the rep paladin is a speck that is it just plays so much better than tbc for your average player i know some of you are going to be really into seal twisting and that's a shame that was something you really enjoyed but not having to use a swing timer not having to worry about seals having them be 30 minutes exorcism being usable on non-undeads and demons defined storm is a brand new ability that's really strong it's just red paladins in general are just so much more fun now i i was not expecting to enjoy rep powder i've never been a paladin guy really but when i was testing them on the beta i was like wow they're so strong even in bad gear they feel powerful they're especially soloing they're insane at soloing content they will never die they can heal themselves forever they're so strong very very uh very fun and and i will say you know when i talk to people a lot of people that are big into steel twisting are not happy about the changes to ret but me personally i just think they're fun i think the rotation is simple but you're still cycling through abilities you know you're pressing what's up um you've got a priority list it's not too complicated but you know it still feels like you're pressing a variety of skills you know your judgment your crusader strike you've got your exorcism when it procs you've got your divine storm um you know still feels like you're pressing stuff uh you've got holy wrath which is an aoe you can use against those undeads and demons and stuff you still can consecrate i don't know thought it was fun next we have the destro warlock i kind of forgot to rate these earlier i think destroy warlock is fun i think it goes right up there with with demo where i think destro is super satisfying all the time chaos bolt is very fun to press very satisfying ability i like that you can use confl great you know your emulates a big part of your kit you've got shadow fury i think destro is very fun but it doesn't have something that turns you into a demon so i would say pick your poison you know if you're looking for all the warlock specs are very fun but if affliction's too hard for you don't get scared away from warlock um you know if you're not a big dot guy you know there's less dots to manage with these other specs and especially uh you know destro plays more like a typical non-dot caster and yeah very fun to play and i'd say tied tied with demo demos more fun in form destro is way more fun out of form but yeah big fan of big fan of destro destro is actually really fun all right last few melee here barrel now farrell is very fun but it's another one of those specs that is it's fun complicated fun difficult fun challenging so it's going to go up by affliction you know feral you've got a decent amount going on it's pretty punishing if you mess up you got to keep up a lot of bleeds especially if you're like done doing dungeon content or something you don't have like a full rate of buffs you need to make sure you're keeping up the buff that increases the bleed damage um which which is your mangle in this case but an arms warrior can put up trauma as well very fun though it's just a little more complicated i think what's exciting about feral is you've got all of the druid utility you've got innervate you've got res you can pop out do other things so much utility but now i feel like feral cat standalone is super powerful has a very fun cooldown you're gonna notice all throughout this there's there's some classes that have really fun cooldowns but there's a lot that don't uh berserk is very fun berserk is a really cool cooldown i mean there's not a lot of cooldowns that make you feel as powerful as berserk um you know just like just like adrenaline rush basically for uh for your cat which is a really fun ability so um they also obviously get swiped and i'll just mention this i hope i didn't miss any of the classes that gained new aoe but everyone can aoe so shadow priests have aoe now feral cask and aoe was swiped now in cat form um you know very very fun really impressed with with feral cat but again difficult to play all right let's do uh warriors huh fury's gonna kill me man i i think with fury right i have to acknowledge it's kind of like demo where it looks cool and a lot of people like titan's grip now me personally i'm not into titan's grip i actually prefer the one handers [Music] but that is something that clearly is not consent a ton of people want to play fury even even though a lot of people are saying oh they're not going to be good at the start you know they start the other dude a ton of people want to play fury a ton of people want to play titan script very popular and it's fun for a lot of people i think the rotation is something that people enjoy you know it's pretty simple you bloodthirst you whirlwind you are going to slam if you get a proc that gives you an instant slam blood surge and then after that you know you're kind of just heroic striking and waiting for execute range um it's it's always been a i think a fairly straightforward spec um but it does take a little thought into how you spend your excess rage with heroic strike with uh with cleve scales well scales into late game um but really it's just gonna be about kind of like demo where you've got like just something cool going on you know you've got the cool two-handers but for me personally i would definitely put arms higher i think arms is more fun i think arms has more significant rotational changes from fury whereas fury you know titan's grip is a passive effect right that you're not really noticing if you aren't staring at your character's visuals in terms of the gameplay you know arms has new gameplay with taste for blood overpower becomes part of their rotation they have instant proc executes and of course the big one bladestorm i think bladestorm is a really fun ability uh you know if we compare this to a lot of like it's kind of like how we talked about combat room i think the rotational changes for arms are just more interesting and i think bladestorm is just super cool compared to a lot of the other abilities people are getting i really like uh i really think arms warrior is very fun um definitely definitely a strong spec you can charge in combat now which is just an added little bonus as well and uh yeah arms is just it's what you're looking for in a warrior man spin to win come on blue storm is sick playstorm is one of the coolest abilities all right on to uh you know we got our death knights here again uh for sub i'm probably not gonna talk about sub too much because it's mainly a ppp one i played a lot of sub in original wrath it's insanely fun in pvp but you're probably not gonna be playing it as much in raid and in pbe but very fun even fun for you know just out in the day you know killing mobs or whatever you can do a lot of bursts but not as much sustained damage anyway on to the death knights now i think frost is pretty fun you know i don't want to be too biased towards melee because i'm a melee kind of guy but i think uh i think frost is a speck that is kind of mashy and you're kind of smashing your keys but it's still fun it's still fun i'd maybe put it around mm level so what the frost death knight is going to do is they have you know of course they have an interesting resource to manage um they're going to be keeping up their howling blast they're spending extra rooning power with frost strikes they still got their diseases going on they want to keep those up they need to keep their diseases up so they're um they're frost strike well i guess i guess it's not as big of a deal with your frost strike but your obliterate you want to make sure is doing maximum damage and it does more damage if you've got your dots up yeah it's a pretty pretty fun spec i would say it's enjoyable i do think that when i look at some of the other specs and then i look at frost i'm like okay you know some of these other specs have some really big cooldowns that are like really cool especially up at the very top frost mainly has killing machine as any proc that kind of alters their rotation other than that they kind of just have a pretty pretty steady rhythm to how they play i think i definitely think frost is fun it's a lot of inputs though it's pretty fast pace you kind of button mash but it's still pretty fun i would say it's a fun spec i do think i think something like resto druid would probably be more fun though something like mm hunter is about as fun unholy now unholy is one where you know the thing about unholy is if you're playing the two-handed unholy spec i would move it somewhere else but a lot of people like the cool new thing is this one-handed and holy speck and i just don't think it's very fun um compared to a lot of other stuff going on um you know to be honest i would even put it like down here the thing with the unholy one-handed spec is you're using death and decay in single target and you're using ghoul frenzy and some specs don't even take scourge strike and if you don't take scourge strike you're pressing plague strike which is like a dot that does like no damage you're using that just like spend your runes long story short if you play the one handed version there's for me a ton of abilities that are very unsatisfying i'm not getting excited when i press ghoul frenzy i'm not getting stronger the pet's just off doing something right i don't want to death and decay in single target it just feels off right it's just not not the spec for me again gargoyle a lot of people love gargoyle not something that is going to make it's going to be engaging and exciting for you to try and min max the damage of this with your cooldowns with haste everything but it's not something that is going to make you feel super powerful except the damage meter right you're not like i compare that to like blade storm i'm the one spinning right compare it to demon form you turn into a demon compare it to even berserk from a cat or adrenaline rush from a rogue their kit they're they're playing uh they get more it gets more exciting the abilities they're using is more fun i look at you know gargoyle i just don't feel the same way so with all that said um i do think unholy would be more fun using the traditional rotation with two-hander for me i'd probably put it somewhere middle of fun here but if we're talking about the one-hander version uh i just feel like there's so many unsatisfying abilities to press what ability from the unholy is satisfying to press i guess gargoyle but i don't think death coil is satisfying to press i don't think unholy frenzy satisfying to press i don't think um you know you're keeping up your dots and stuff with pestilence but i don't think that's super exciting i just i feel like there's it's missing that satisfying ability that's just like really fun to press um but again it does a lot of damage i think unholies are super strong by all means i think this talent is one of the most overpowered things in rat the lich king but yeah that's where i have it so that's where i land that's why i read all the specs again i really do think that in wrath of lich king a lot of the specs are a lot more fun even like arcane mage is a lot more fun than tbc to me and you know you might be super excited for the hero hero class death knights and i rated them a little bit lower but i guess i'm just valuing really satisfying abilities i do think as frost you have a really satisfying ability in howling blast it's really fun to press um you know i'm i'm biased towards melee so i would probably put it like somewhere up here but i'm trying trying to uh reel it in you know because you know these caster specs are actually fun too um but yeah i would say definitely in summary though potentially underrating holy um based on how powerful it is you might feel really powerful to play holy um all the specs that are very powerful are a little bit underrated because you're gonna have more fun doing a lot of damage right when we factor in how strong they are damage wise right a disc is going to feel more fun because you know how important you are to the raid assassination is going to feel more fun because you're doing a ton of damage same thing with combat same thing with unholy um you know frost do a ton of overall damage too so keep that in mind but i was trying to keep it separate trying to look at the kit trying to look at the enjoyability but if i had to look at all the specs though you know i think that maybe maybe i'm underrating frost you know part of me once they kind of move it up here i've gone back and forth on frost it is kind of a mashy spec it's not that cerebral but at the same time some of these specs aren't either so maybe maybe should go around fury probably um to be honest with you but uh that's kind of where i land when it comes to the the tier list that's it boom fun tier list thank you guys for watching please tell me what you guys think of course a lot of you are going to be upset about unholy assassination but please tell me what you think you know you guess where you guys landed on some of these do you think specs like unholy or rather affliction are fun or do you think it's tedious you think it's too many dots to keep up you think it's too hard um same thing goes for survival you think it's fun or do you think it's tedious to try and trap constantly to proc your lock and load i'll be curious to hear what you guys think thanks for watching guys and uh yeah see you next time

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Keywords: tier list, best specs, best classes, wrath of the lich king, class picking guide, class overview, fun classes, fun specs, wrath, world of warcraft, wow classic, wrath classic, wrath of the lich king classic, healer, dps, tank

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Length: 54min 34sec (3274 seconds)

Published: Wed Aug 10 2022