TODAY... SO WHO AM I TALKING TO? Oprah: THE MOM WITH 20 PERSONALITIES... ALL OF YOUR DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES HAVE DIFFERENT E-MAIL ADDRESSES? WHO DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR MOTHER? I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THIS LIFE IS LIKE FOR YOU. THEN... 92 DISTINCT PEOPLE LIVING WITHIN ONE MIND. Oprah: ONE OF OUR MOST UNFORGETTABLE GUESTS. STOP. WHAT HAPPENED TO TRUDDI CHASE? 20 YEARS LATER, HEAR FROM HER DAUGHTER. NEXT. LOOK AROUND, IF YOU WILL, AT ALL OF THESE PAINTINGS. THEY ARE ALL SELF-PORTRAITS. AND HERE'S WHAT'S SO INTRIGUING ABOUT THEM. THEY ARE ALL SELF-PORTRAITS OF ONE WOMAN, PAINTED BY SOME OF THE 20 DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES THAT LIVE INSIDE HER HEAD. SOME ARE CHILDREN. SOME ARE OLDER. SOME ARE MALE. SOME SEE THEMSELVES AS HEAVY. SOME LOOK LONELY. AND ONE HOLDS THE KEY TO WHY HER MIND SPLIT INTO 20 PIECES. HER STORY IS LIKE HER LIFE. IT'S LAYERED AND, AT TIMES, REALLY HEARTBREAKING AND UNBELIEVABLY FASCINATING. AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO HER IN A FEW MINUTES, BUT WE WERE INSPIRED TO TELL HER STORY BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT THAT WE STILL FEEL FROM A GUEST WHO SAT RIGHT ACROSS FROM ME 20 YEARS AGO. I'LL NEVER FORGET. TRUDDI CHASE -- THE WOMAN WITH 92 PERSONALITIES. I TALKED ABOUT HER ON OUR 20th ANNIVERSARY DVD. LET'S TAKE A LOOK BACK AT MAY OF 1990. THIS SMALL BABY GIRL WAS BORN WHOLE, BUT WAS NOT ALLOWED TO REMAIN SAFE FOR VERY LONG BECAUSE AT THE AGE OF TWO, TRUDDI CHASE WAS BRUTALLY RAPED BY HER STEPFATHER AND WAS CONTINUALLY ABUSED UNTIL SHE RAN AWAY AT THE AGE OF 16. TRUDDI CHASE DEALT WITH HER PAIN BY SPLITTING INTO SEVERAL DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES. 92 DISTINCT PEOPLE LIVING WITHIN ONE MIND. SHE CALLS THEM HER "TROOPS." TRUDDI CHASE, THE REAL TRUDDI CHASE, UNDERWENT YEARS OF THERAPY, AND MOST OF THAT THERAPY... STOP. I HAD JUST GOTTEN COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA MYSELF, OF MY OWN ABUSE, AND INTERVIEWING TRUDDI CHASE AND DESCRIBING WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO HER WAS THE FIRST TIME I REALLY CONNECTED THE DOTS OF HOW PROFOUND THE MANIFESTATION OF ABUSE CAN BE IN OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES. THE WAY SHE SHATTERED HER PERSONALITY AND BECAME A MULTIPLE IS HER WAY OF PROTECTING HERSELF, HER OWN LITTLE, INNER, SPIRITED CHILD. WHO REMEMBERS THE MOST? WE ALL SHARE, UM, DIFFERENT ONES, REMEMBER DIFFERENT SECTIONS. WHO HOLDS THE PAIN? RABBIT. WHAT DOES SHE REMEMBER THE MOST? [ GIGGLES ] UM, HIM. JUST BEING UNFORGIVABLY... CRUEL AND TAUNTING. HE NEVER REALLY SAID ANYTHING NICE TO YOU. IT WAS "YOU FAT COW, NO ONE IS EVER GOING TO BELIEVE A WORD YOU SAY, SO MY BEST ADVICE TO YOU IS DON'T SAY ANYTHING." SO WE DIDN'T. WE NEVER TOLD A SOUL. SO TRUDDI PASSED AWAY EARLIER THIS YEAR. SHE WAS 75. LATER, WE'LL HEAR FROM TRUDDI'S DAUGHTER ABOUT WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE INSIDE THEIR HOME. BUT NOW I WANT YOU TO MEET THE WOMAN BEHIND THOSE SELF-PORTRAITS. LIKE TRUDDI, WE HOPE THAT HER STORY IS ALSO FELT FOR DECADES TO COME. THIS IS KIM NOBLE. SHE IS A 49-YEAR-OLD MOTHER WHO LIVES JUST OUTSIDE LONDON, ENGLAND. BY LOOKING AT KIM, YOU'D NEVER KNOW HOW COMPLEX HER LIFE IS. SHE'S BEEN DIAGNOSED AS HAVING 20 DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES. THERE'S JUDY, A 15-YEAR-OLD BULIMIC, SALOME, A DEVOUT CATHOLIC... SHE'S A GOOD CATHOLIC WOMAN WITH AN EVIL DAUGHTER. ...EVEN KEN, A DEPRESSED GAY MAN... I'M GAY, BUT I'M NOT A TRANSVESTITE. ...ALL LIVING INSIDE KIM'S HEAD. PSYCHOLOGISTS SUSPECT KIM SUFFERED SEVERE TRAUMA AS A YOUNG CHILD, WHICH CAUSED HER MIND TO SPLIT INTO MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES. SHE HAS WHAT IS KNOWN AS DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER, OR D.I.D. THIS BODY, UM, IS -- BELONGS TO KIM NOBLE, AND, UM, WE SHARE IT. FROM THE AGE OF 14, WE'VE BEEN IN AND OUT OF HOSPITAL. WE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN FROM SCHIZOPHRENIA, ANOREXIA, BULIMIA, POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS, DEPRESSION. WE'VE JUST BEEN THROUGH ALL THE LABELS. Oprah: FOR MOST OF THE DAY, KIM'S BODY IS INHABITED BY THE PERSONALITY KNOWN AS PATRICIA. Kim: I'M THE MAIN PERSONALITY THAT'S AROUND. I'M THE ONE THAT KEEPS THE HOUSE RUNNING, PAYS THE BILLS, AND LOOKS AFTER AIMEE, OUR DAUGHTER. Oprah: KIM'S 20 PERSONALITIES CONSIDER THEMSELVES TO BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. HAPPY BIRTHDAY. SO WHEN IT WAS KIM'S 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AIMEE'S BIRTHDAY, MANY OF THE PERSONALITIES GAVE HER CARDS. THIS ONE -- "TEENAGER AT LAST" IS FROM KEN. AND HE WROTE, "HAVE A BRILLIANT BIRTHDAY. LOVE, FROM KEN." AND THREE KISSES. THEY ALSO BROUGHT SOME OF AIMEE'S PRESENTS. 'CAUSE IF IT WERE JUST ME, SHE WOULDN'T GET AS MANY. -SO YOU ARE LUCKY. -I AM. WE'RE JUST SO PROUD OF HER. SHE'S JUST BEAUTIFUL. AND WE'RE SO GRATEFUL THAT SHE'S IN OUR LIVES. Oprah: WHEN AIMEE WAS BORN, SOCIAL WORKERS TOOK HER AWAY FROM KIM. THEY WEREN'T CONVINCED SHE'D BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE PRESSURES OF MOTHERHOOD, BUT KIM QUICKLY PROVED THEM WRONG. SHE HAS BEEN RAISING AIMEE THE LAST 13 YEARS WITH HELP FROM A TEAM OF THERAPISTS AND SUPPORT WORKERS. THEY'VE DEVELOPED AN INCREDIBLE RELATIONSHIP, WHICH HAS BEEN LOVELY TO WATCH. Oprah: ONE OF HER THERAPISTS ENCOURAGED ALL OF KIM'S PERSONALITIES TO TRY PAINTING. SINCE PAINTING, THINGS HAVE BEEN A LOT BETTER BECAUSE THERE'S MORE -- THERE'S MORE CONTROL, AND THERE'S A ROUTINE. I THINK ROUTINE REALLY HELPS US. Oprah: DOMINANT PERSONALITY PATRICIA EXPLAINS HOW EACH OF THE ALTERS HAS THEIR OWN UNIQUE ARTISTIC STYLE. JUDY IS A 15-YEAR-OLD PERSONALITY WITHIN THE BODY, AND SHE'S FROZEN IN TIME. THE AGE WE WERE AROUND, 15, WE -- UH, THE BODY -- WAS OVERWEIGHT, AND JUDY'S STUCK THERE, AND SO SHE'S ALWAYS, LIKE, ON A DIET BECAUSE SHE BELIEVES SHE'S 200 POUNDS. MISSY IS A CHILD PERSONALITY. SHE PAINTS IN A VERY ENERGETIC WAY. SHE ALSO PAINTS A LOT WITH AIMEE. MISSY WILL ONLY USE THREE COLORS, AND THAT'S RED, BLACK, AND WHITE. ABI IS ANOTHER PERSONALITY, AND THERE'S LONELINESS IN HER LIFE. SHE ENROLLED ONLINE DATING AGENCY, SO SHE'S BEEN OUT WITH SOME GUYS. I'M JUST HOPING THAT THEY LOOK AS GOOD AS HIM, BUT I DON'T THINK SO. SEEING ALL THE PAINTINGS HERE REMINDS ME OF OUR FIRST EXHIBITION, AND AS I WALKED IN AND STOOD THERE, I WAS JUST OVERCOME WITH EMOTION, YOU KNOW, THAT ACTUALLY THIS IS THE NEAREST THING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EVER GOING TO GET TO BEING INTEGRATED. SO WELCOME, KIM. HI. SO WHO AM I TALKING TO? -PATRICIA. -PATRICIA? -YEAH. -WHERE IS KIM? UM, I BELIEVE THAT KIM'S ASLEEP. THINGS GOT TOO MUCH FOR HER, SO SHE JUST DISAPPEARED, AND, UM, WE HAVE TO TAKE OVER THE RUNNING OF THE BODY. SO YOU FEEL THAT YOU'RE JUST USING HER BODY? YEAH, JUST BORROWING IT. WHEN DID YOU REALIZE THAT THERE WERE OR -- OR FEEL THAT THERE WERE OTHER ENTITIES LIVING IN THIS BODY? I THOUGHT WHAT I WAS GOING THROUGH WAS NORMAL, SO I KEPT LOSING TIME, BUT AT THAT MOMENT, I THOUGHT IT WAS BECAUSE I WAS DRINKING TOO MUCH ALCOHOL. AND I WASN'T. I WAS HAVING A GLASS OF WINE. I'D DISAPPEAR. SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD THEN TAKE OVER THE BODY. WHEN I CAME BACK, I HAD THE REST OF THE GLASS OF WINE OR GOT ANOTHER ONE AND I THOUGHT, "EVERY TIME I'M OUT, I'M DRINKING A LOT, SO THAT WOULD AFFECT MY MEMORY." -EVERY TIME YOU'RE OUT? -I'M SORRY. "OUT" BEING IN CHARGE OF THE BODY, THE MAIN PERSON. UH-HUH. LIKE, WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO NOW IS ME, PATRICIA. AND, UM, THE OTHERS ARE NOT IN CONTROL OF THIS BODY AT THE MOMENT. DO YOU -- DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE OTHER ALTERS DO WHEN YOU'RE -- WHEN YOU, PATRICIA, ARE NOT PRESENT? ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING? NO. I'M -- I'M NOT AWARE AT ALL. IT'S LIKE I'VE JUST GONE TO SLEEP, AND I'M ONLY TOLD BY FRIENDS OR MY THERAPIST, AIMEE OUR DAUGHTER -- THEY WILL FILL US IN WITH THE MISSING TIME, IF THEY'RE AROUND. IF THEY'RE NOT AROUND, THEN, UM, I CAN TELL BY THE PAINTINGS. SO IF SOMEBODY HAD BEEN PAINTING, I COULD TELL BY THE STYLE WHO'S BEEN AROUND. SO I BECOME A BIT LIKE A DETECTIVE. UH-HUH. TO FIND OUT WHAT'S HAPPENED DURING THE MISSING TIME. NOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH ALL OF THE OTHER PERSONALITIES, I UNDERSTAND YOUR THERAPIST SENDS SEPARATE E-MAILS TO ALL OF THE ALTERS, SO IF YOU GET AN E-MAIL FOR, SAY, KEN OR FOR DAWN, AND YOU, PATRICIA, ARE AT YOUR COMPUTER, DO YOU JUST HOLD THAT E-MAIL AND WAIT UNTIL THEY SHOW UP? NO. WE'VE GOT ALL DIFFERENT E-MAIL ADDRESSES, AND -- YOU ALL HAVE DIFFERENT E-MAIL ADDRESSES? YEAH, AND I CAN'T GET INTO THEIR -- THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN PASSWORD. WHAT'S IT FEEL LIKE BEING YOU? I KNOW NO DIFFERENT. I'M ME, AND THEY'RE THEM, SO, YOU KNOW, FOR ME -- BECAUSE I'M NOT CO-CONSCIOUS, AND THERE'S NO, UM, TALKING OF THE OTHER PERSONALITIES IN MY HEAD OR ANYTHING, FOR ME, I JUST FEEL LIKE A SINGLE -- SINGLETON, MEANING JUST ME. BUT WHEN THESE OTHER PARTS -- YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT PARTS OF OURSELVES, YOU KNOW? AND SO, WHEN I'VE BEEN TIRED AND EXHAUSTED, I SAY TO MY STAFF, YOU KNOW, "WE DON'T WANT EVILENA TO SHOW UP," YOU KNOW? OR SOMEBODY'S IN A BAD MOOD OR A GOOD MOOD OR WHATEVER. THERE ARE DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR PERSONALITY, SO WE EXPERIENCE DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR PERSONALITIES SHOWING UP. YOU EXPERIENCE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSONALITY SHOWING UP. IS THAT A GOOD WAY TO DESCRIBE IT? IT IS, BUT I'VE ALSO GOT MY DIFFERENT PARTS AS ME. YOU HAVE YOUR DIFFERENT PARTS -- SO ME AS PATRICIA -- I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, MY DAYS WHEN I'M ANGRY AND IN A BAD MOOD AND HAPPY AND SAD. MM-HMM. SO I'M COMPLETELY WHOLE AS A PERSON, AND THEY ALSO. -AND THEY ALSO. -THEY ALSO. BUT ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. YEAH. YEAH. DOES IT FEEL LIKE, UM, CRAZINESS SOMETIMES? I THINK IT SOUNDS MORE CRAZY THAN IT FEELS. YEAH. YOU KNOW -- SITTING HERE, TALKING TO YOU, YOU FEEL NORMAL? YEAH, COMPLETELY. AND, YOU KNOW, I TAKE MYSELF AS BEING NORMAL. I AM NORMAL. EXCEPT FOR -- WE CAN GO TO COMMERCIAL BREAK, AND SOMEBODY ELSE SHOW UP. YEAH. BUT THEN, THEY'D BE NORMAL. AND THEN THEY'D BE NORMAL. AND THEY'D BE IN CONTROL OF THE BODY. WELL, WE'LL TALK MORE WHEN WE COME BACK. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. COMING UP, ONE BY ONE, KIM NOBLE'S OTHER PERSONALITIES EMERGE. AND MEET KIM'S 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER. HOW SHE LIVES WITH A MOTHER WITH 20 DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES. KIM NOBLE IS A 49-YEAR-OLD MOM FROM LONDON WHO LIVES WITH 20 DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES. KIM HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER. HER 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, AIMEE, HAS A UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP WITH MANY OF THEM. SHE SEES THE ALTERS COME OUT AT LEAST TWO-TO-THREE TIMES A DAY. I'M SURE THAT, GROWING UP, IT HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING GROWTH CYCLE FOR YOU IN A HOUSE WITH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ALTERS, LIVING INSIDE YOUR MOTHER. YEAH, IT HAS BEEN INTERESTING. A LOT. BUT I CONSIDER IT AS NORMAL BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DIFFERENT. -MM-HMM. -SO IT'S QUITE NORMAL. WHEN DID YOU START TO KNOW THAT YOUR MOTHER WAS DIFFERENT? UM, I -- I THINK I'VE BEEN TOLD RIGHT FROM THE START. -RIGHT FROM THE START? -YEP. -SINCE YOU WERE A LITTLE GIRL? -YEAH. WHAT WERE YOU TOLD? UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ACTUAL WORDS, BUT I WAS EXPLAINED WHAT DID WAS. -MM-HMM. -AND... YEAH. WHO DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR MOTHER? UM, THE MAIN PERSONALITY I CONSIDER AS MOM. AND THAT IS? -PATRICIA. -PATRICIA. HAVE YOU EVER TALKED TO OR KNOWN KIM? NO, I DON'T THINK I HAVE. HOW MANY OF THE OTHER PERSONALITIES DO YOU -- DO YOU KNOW? I -- I'VE -- I KNOW, UM, ALL OF THEM. YOU KNOW ALL OF THEM? BUT I KNOW -- AND CAN YOU TELL THEM INSTANTLY WHEN THEY SHOW UP? -SOMETIMES. -MM-HMM. SOMETIMES YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S -- WHO'S THERE? YES. IF THEY'RE NEW, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM BEFORE OR HEARD OF THEM... MM-HMM. ...THEN I WOULD ASK THEM WHO THEY ARE. THAT -- THAT'S HOW I GET TO BUILD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM. SO TO BETTER UNDERSTAND KIM'S MIND, HER THERAPIST HELPED INTRODUCE US TO MORE OF THE PERSONALITIES. AIMEE IS BY HER SIDE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO, YOU KNOW, AIMEE HAS SEEN AND HEARD ALL OF THIS BEFORE. IT'S A CONSCIOUS DECISION BY KIM AND HER THERAPIST TO NOT HOLD ANYTHING BACK FROM HER DAUGHTER AIMEE. TAKE A LOOK. Oprah: WITH HELP FROM KIM NOBLE'S THERAPIST, KIM'S ALTERNATE PERSONALITIES COME OUT ONE BY ONE. FIRST, DOMINANT PERSONALITY PATRICIA DISAPPEARS AND BONNY TAKES OVER. BONNY USED TO BE THE MAIN PERSONALITY WHO TOOK CARE OF DAUGHTER AIMEE. HELLO. [ LAUGHS ] I KNOW. Oprah: AIMEE DOESN'T GET TO SEE BONNY VERY MUCH ANYMORE. IN THE EARLY YEARS, THE CONSTANT THREAT OF HAVING HER DAUGHTER TAKEN AWAY BY SOCIAL SERVICES SENT BONNY INTO SECLUSION. WHEN BONNY DISAPPEARED, I THINK I WAS ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT. IT GOT VERY STRESSFUL WITH SOCIAL SERVICES -- WERE PUTTING A LOT OF PRESSURE ON US, SO I JUST COULDN'T TAKE ANYMORE, AND I JUST CRACKED UP OVER IT ALL, AND, UM... THAT WAS IT. I JUST... [ SNIFFLES ] THAT'S IT. [ SNIFFLES ] Oprah: KNOWING IT'S TIME FOR BONNY TO LEAVE, SHE BURSTS INTO TEARS BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHEN SHE WILL SEE HER DAUGHTER AGAIN. [ CRYING ] Oprah: A LITTLE WHILE LATER, KEN EMERGES. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD, HOMOSEXUAL, AND DOESN'T ACKNOWLEDGE HE IS ONE OF MANY PERSONALITIES. HI, KEN. I'M KIRSTEN. KEN THINKS I'M ONE OF HIS FRIEND'S DAUGHTERS. Kirsten: AND WHY DO YOU SEE A THERAPIST? PEOPLE GOT PROBLEMS WITH ME BEING GAY, SO I SEE A THERAPIST. WHO HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT? THE OUTSIDE WORLD. DO YOU DATE? UM, I HAVE -- I HAVEN'T FOR A LONG TIME, BUT YEAH, I -- I -- I'VE HAD SOME NICE BOYFRIENDS. WHEN YOU LOOK IN THE MIRROR, WHO DO YOU SEE? -ME. -BUT ARE -- -WHO DO YOU SEE? -YOU'RE A MAN? WHEN I LOOK AT YOU, I SEE A WOMAN. [ LAUGHS ] THIS IS STRANGE. YEAH, I'M GAY, BUT I'M NOT A TRANSVESTITE. Kirsten: OKAY. Oprah: ONE OF KIM'S MORE TORTURED PERSONALITIES IS AGITATED WHEN SHE COMES OUT. Kim: EVIL. EVIL. Oprah: HER NAME IS SALOME. HI, SALOME. I'M KIRSTEN. SHE'S REALLY EVIL. SALOME IS A PERSONALITY WHO RANTS AND RAVES. SHE DOESN'T SIT DOWN. SHE'S ALWAYS WALKING AROUND THE ROOM AND NOT SETTLED. Oprah: SALOME IS DEEPLY RELIGIOUS AND IS QUITE ANGRY. THERE'S A GOOD CATHOLIC WOMAN AND EVIL DAUGHTER. WHAT HAPPENED, SALOME, TO THE GOOD CATHOLIC WOMAN? SHE DIED. SHE GOT KILLED. SHE DIED. AND -- I'VE GOT TO GO NOW. BYE. Oprah: AFTER SALOME LEAVES, THINGS GET MUCH CALMER WHEN THE PERSONALITY DAWN ARRIVES. SHE'S LITERALLY FROZEN IN TIME AND BELIEVES IT'S 1997, THE YEAR AIMEE WAS BORN. -Kirsten: HI, DAWN. -HM. -NICE TO MEET YOU. -HEY. Oprah: DAWN DOESN'T REALIZE AIMEE IS HER DAUGHTER. DAWN THINKS SHE HAD A BABY NAMED SKY, WHO WAS TAKEN AWAY AT BIRTH. Kirsten: CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT SKY? SKY IS MY BABY, AND SOCIAL SERVICES JUST TOOK HER AWAY AND PUT HER UP FOR ADOPTION. AND I CAN'T HAVE HER BACK. AND SO, WHO IS SITTING NEXT TO YOU? SHE'S A FRIEND'S, UH... DAUGHTER. AIMEE, HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL LISTENING TO DAWN? HMM? [ SNIFFLING ] SO WHY WERE YOU CRYING THERE, AIMEE? IT'S OKAY. HM. [ EXHALES ] IT'S OKAY. I FELT -- I FELT REJECTED. REJECTED BY THE PERSONALITY DAWN? I CAN'T IMAGINE -- YOU KNOW, I -- I -- THIS SEEMS LIKE A VERY DIFFICULT LIFE FOR YOU, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THIS LIFE IS LIKE FOR YOU. BEING A 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL, AND 13-YEAR-OLDS JUST WANT TO FIT IN, AND THEY WANT TO BE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, AND THEY WANT EVERYBODY ELSE TO LIKE THEM. HOW ARE YOU COPING LIVING IN THIS HOUSE WHEN YOU HEARD ONE OF THE PERSONALITIES -- I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE, I THINK IT WAS BONNY -- WHO SAID, "WE JUST WANT YOU TO BE HAPPY, AND WE JUST WANT YOU TO BE OKAY." DO YOU FEEL HAPPY AND OKAY? DEFINITELY. I DON'T THINK -- IF I WAS AWAY, I WOULDN'T BE HAPPY. IF YOU WERE AWAY, YOU WOULDN'T BE HAPPY? WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. COMING UP... THESE THINGS HAPPEN. CHILDREN GET HURT. MEET THE PERSONALITY WHO MAY HOLD THE KEY TO KIM NOBLE'S TRAUMATIC PAST. WE HAVE HEARD THE TERM MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER. DOCTORS NOW CALL THAT DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER. AND EXPERTS BELIEVE THAT WHAT HAPPENS IS THE MIND ACTUALLY SPLITS TO HELP VICTIMS OF EXTREME CHILD ABUSE OR TRAUMA DISSOCIATE FROM THEIR HORRIFIC MEMORIES. WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO KIM NOBLE TODAY WHO LIVES WITH 20 PERSONALITIES. MANY OF THEM EXPRESS THEMSELVES THROUGH PAINTINGS. NOW, OVER THE YEARS, KIM HAS BEEN VERY GUARDED ABOUT HER VERY PAINFUL CHILDHOOD. BUT HER PET PERSONALITY NAMED RIA PRATT MAY HOLD THE KEY TO WHAT HAPPENED TO HER. AGAIN, WHEN YOU SEE THE TAPE, YOU'LL SEE KIM'S DAUGHTER, AIMEE, IS BY HER SIDE. IT IS KIM AND HER THERAPIST'S DECISION TO NEVER HIDE ANY OF KIM'S PAST FROM HER DAUGHTER. TAKE A LOOK. I HAVE SOME OF YOUR PAINTINGS HERE. AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT'S YOUR INSPIRATION FOR SOME OF THESE PAINTINGS? WELL, PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO KNOW WHAT GOES ON, DON'T THEY? JUST GOT TO KNOW. THESE THINGS HAPPEN. PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAPPEN. ARE YOU PAINTING FROM MEMORIES FROM YOUR CHILDHOOD? YES. THESE THINGS HAPPEN. AND CHILDREN GET HURT. AND IT MAKES ME VERY SAD THEY'RE NOT HAPPY. CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT YOURSELF? HOW OLD ARE YOU? I'M 12. AND WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR FIRST MEMORIES OF YOUR CHILDHOOD? AND THEY GOT SMILES ON THEIR FACES 'CAUSE THEY FIND IT FUNNY. WHY IS IT YOUR FAULT? SO, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE PERSONALTY RIA PRATT WHEN YOU SEE THAT PERSONALITY, 12 YEARS OLD, TALKING ABOUT THE CHILDHOOD? IT MAKES ME SAD. BUT I HAVEN'T GOT THOSE MEMORIES THAT SHE'S GOT. SO I'M HEARING IT LIKE A THIRD PERSON. I DON'T HOLD THE MEMORIES THAT SHE'S GOT. I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, IF I DID, I PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO COPE. YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COPE? SO YOU DO NOT REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU AS A CHILD? YOU DON'T REMEMBER YOUR CHILDHOOD AT ALL? I REMEMBER PARTS OF IT, BUT NOT ANY ABUSE. WHO DID YOU GROW UP WITH? -MOTHER AND FATHER? -YES. DO YOU THINK YOUR MOTHER OR FATHER OR BOTH DID SOMETHING TO YOU? THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO ME, NO. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHO DID? NO, NOT ME. I HAVEN'T HAD ANY ABUSE. I'M LUCKY NOT TO HAVE HAD ANY... YOU, PATRICIA? THE PERSONALITY PATRICIA? YES. SO WHAT PERSONALITIES DID HAVE SOMETHING DONE TO THEM? RIA PRATT. RIA PRATT. YEAH. WELL, DOCTOR MARY SUE MOORE IS A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST WHO IS AN EXPERT ON TRAUMA AND THE BRAIN. WHEN YOU HEAR RIA PRATT SPEAK AND YOU LOOK AT THOSE PAINTINGS, WHAT DOES SHE TELL US ABOUT KIM WHO CARRIES ALL OF THESE PERSONALITIES? THE FEELING THAT I HAVE, THE REACTION TO THE ARTWORK IN PARTICULAR, IS THAT SOME ASPECTS OF EXPERIENCE ARE TOO UNBEARABLE FOR A PERSON TO SURVIVE. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, A PART OF THE PERSON CAN CAPTURE THOSE MEMORIES AND KEEP THE REST OF THE PERSON SAFE BY HOLDING ON TO THOSE AND ISOLATING THEM. AND IT'S A SURVIVAL MECHANISM TO ALLOW THE GREATER SELF TO GO ON AND FUNCTION. BUT TO MAKE THIS MORE UNDERSTANDABLE, 'CAUSE I KNOW IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO UNDERSTAND... -IT IS. -...BUT THERE ARE MULTITUDES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING, MANY OF YOU ARE IN THIS AUDIENCE, WHO HAVE ALSO EXPERIENCED ABUSE. AND WHAT HAPPENS TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS BEEN ABUSED OR TRAUMATIZED IN SOME WAY, WHETHER IT IS SEXUAL ABUSE OR, YOU KNOW, PHYSICAL ABUSE OR ANY OTHER TRAUMA, A PART OF YOU, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE WITH MY OWN CHILD ABUSE, A PART OF YOU DIES, YOU KNOW, A PART OF THE SPIRIT IS KILLED WHEN THAT HAPPENS. AND THERE IS A DISSOCIATION OR REPRESSION THAT ALLOWS YOU TO CONTINUE ON AND TO DO WHATEVER ELSE YOU'RE GONNA DO IN LIFE. SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND IT IN THAT TERMS. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT KIM, IT IS JUST MORE SEVERE. -THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? -YES. AND FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S HAD A DIFFICULTY OR WHATEVER, YOU REPRESS THAT MEMORY SO THAT YOU CAN GO ON. AND THAT MEMORY IS PLACED SOMEPLACE ELSE IN YOUR BRAIN SO THAT YOU CAN FUNCTION. WHEN IT COMES TO SOMEBODY WHO HAS HAD SEVERE TRAUMA OR ABUSE, THAT REPRESSION SHOWS UP AS DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES. -THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. -RIGHT. YEAH. SO D.I.D. IS STILL A VERY CONTROVERSIAL DIAGNOSIS THOUGH. WHAT IS THE DEBATE -- THAT THIS ISN'T REAL? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK HAPPENS IS -- THE WAY OUR BRAINS WORK, WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED WE CAN IMAGINE. WITH D.I.D., OR MULTIPLE PERSONALTY AS IT USED TO BE CALLED, THAT IS SO FAR ON THE EXTREME BECAUSE OF THE EXTENSIVE AND EXTREME ABUSE HISTORY, THAT MOST OF US HAVEN'T FELT IT BEFORE. -SO YOU CAN'T RELATE TO IT? -YEAH. THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT RELATABLE IN TERMS OF WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED DISSOCIATION. RIGHT. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU DRIVEN HOME FROM WORK AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU GOT TO YOUR HOUSE? YES. YES. SO WHERE WERE YOU WHEN DRIVING? -YEAH. YEAH. -SOMEBODY DROVE THE CAR. YOUR BODY DROVE THE CAR. BUT WHERE WAS YOUR HEAD? OR YOU'RE SITTING IN A CLASSROOM OR YOU'RE SITTING IN A MEETING, AND YOU'RE SOMEPLACE ELSE. AND SOMEBODY SAYS, "WHERE ARE YOU RIGHT NOW?" -YOU KNOW, TO THAT DEGREE. -THAT'S RIGHT. THIS IS THE EXTREME VERSION OF THAT. YES. AND IT'S ALL ABOUT SURVIVAL. AND IT'S ABOUT SURVIVAL. YEAH. IT'S ALL ABOUT SURVIVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. COMING UP, HOW FORMER GUEST TRUDDI CHASE HELPED GENERATIONS OF VIEWERS COPE WITH THEIR OWN ABUSE. TWO DECADES APART, TWO MOMS HAVE BRAVELY SHARED THEIR SIMILAR STORIES TODAY. KIM NOBLE TOOK US INSIDE HER LIFE WITH MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES. IN 1990, TRUDDI CHASE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST TO PUT A FACE ON SOMEONE LIVING WITH THIS DISORDER. SHE HAD 92 SEPARATE IDENTITIES TRIGGERED BY YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS OF EXTREME, HORRIFIC, UNIMAGINABLE ABUSE THAT STARTED WHEN SHE WAS A BABY. OUR VIEWERS HAVE TOLD US THAT TRUDDI IS ONE OF THE MOST MEMORABLE AND INSPIRATIONAL GUESTS WE'VE EVER HAD ON THE SHOW. TAKE A LOOK. DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU LOST WHOEVER YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN THAT DAY YOU WERE RAPED AT TWO YEARS OLD? WELL, SHE IS NO MORE. NO MORE. THE DAY WE FOUND THAT OUT, THEN, I REALLY THOUGHT WE WOULD GO MAD. SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE. YOU CAN'T DUMP THAT MUCH ON A HUMAN BEING AND NOT LOSE SOMETHING. Oprah: THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, VIEWERS OF ALL AGES HAVE TOLD US THEY WERE INSPIRED BY TRUDDI TO BREAK THE SILENCE ABOUT THEIR OWN ABUSE. ERIN MERRYN IS ONE OF THOSE BRAVE WOMEN. AFTER SEEING A FOLLOW-UP SHOW THAT YOU HAD DONE WITH TRUDDI CHASE AND TO HEAR HER MESSAGE OF WHAT SHE ENDURED, IT ALLOWED ME TO BE ABLE FOR THE FIRST TIME CRY ABOUT THIS -- KNOWING I HAD NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF. I WAS SEXUALLY ABUSED FROM SIX TO EIGHT BY SOMEONE I LOVED AND TRUSTED... FROM 11 TO 13, BY A FAMILY MEMBER... AND I WAS OFTEN CARRYING SO MUCH GUILT, SO MUCH SHAME. AND WHILE IT WAS NOWHERE NEAR THE TYPE OF ABUSE THAT TRUDDI HAD ENDURED, IT IS SOMETHING I CAN REMEMBER 20 YEARS LATER, CLEAR AS DAY. IT CHANGED ME FROM A STRONG, RESILIENT, CONFIDENT CHILD TO A VERY ANGRY, HATE-FILLED, SELF-DESTRUCTIVE CHILD, TEENAGER, AND YOUNG ADULT. THE ABUSE TOOK DIFFERENT PARTS OF MY OWN SOUL BECAUSE TWO PEOPLE THAT I KNEW HAD ABUSED ME. I FEARED THE WORLD I LIVED IN. FINALLY CAME THIS BREAKING POINT WHERE I WAS CONTEMPLATING SUICIDE -- THAT ENDING MY LIFE WOULD BE THE ONLY ANSWER TO ESCAPE THE PAIN THAT I HAD ENDURED. I WAS SO GLAD I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HOME THAT DAY AND CATCH THAT SHOW. SEEING THE TWO OF YOU ON NATIONAL TV CRYING TOGETHER ABOUT SUCH A SILENT, HUSH-HUSH TOPIC IN OUR SOCIETY, IT CHANGED SOMETHING INSIDE OF ME. IT ALLOWED ME THAT DAY TO FINALLY COME OUT OF THE SHADOWS OF MY OWN DARKNESS, TO LET GO A LOT OF THAT ANGER AND HATRED AND REALIZE THAT I WAS NOT ALONE. WOW. THAT'S REALLY POWERFUL. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. TRUDDI CHASE'S DAUGHTER KARI IS HERE. AS YOU CAN SEE, REALLY, I'M SO MOVED BY THAT. YOUR MOM'S LIFE MADE A DIFFERENCE. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO THESE SHOWS, YOU NEVER KNOW WHO IS WATCHING. AND AS YOU'VE SPOKEN TODAY, YOU NEVER KNOW WHO IS WATCHING, AND WHO WILL BREAK THEIR OWN SILENCE BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY HEARD FROM YOU TODAY. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. COMING UP... I WOULD COME HOME FROM SCHOOL NOT KNOWING WHO I WAS COMING HOME TO. TRUDDI CHASE'S DAUGHTER, KARI, REVEALS FOR THE FIRST TIME THE STRUGGLES SHE FACED WHILE COPING WITH HER MOTHER'S 92 PERSONALITIES. KARI AINSWORTH IS THE ONLY CHILD OF TRUDDI CHASE -- A WOMAN WHO LIVED WITH 92 PERSONALITIES. KARI HAS NEVER OPENED UP PUBLICLY ABOUT WHAT IT WAS LIKE GROWING UP WITH HER MOTHER. TRUDDI PASSED AWAY AT THE AGE OF 75. SO, I WAS SAYING TO AIMEE WHAT IT MUST BE LIKE TO LIVE IN A HOUSE WITH 20 DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES WHO ALL SHOW UP AS DIFFERENT PEOPLE. WHAT WAS THAT LIKE FOR YOU BEING IN A HOME... WITH 92? 92. YEAH. YEAH. IT WAS HEAVY DUTY. IT WAS A ROLLER COASTER RIDE. IT WAS GOOD. IT WAS BAD. BUT IT'S WHAT I KNOW AS NORMAL. MM-HMM. IT'S -- IT WAS -- WHEN DID YOU KNOW? UM... I GUESS ABOUT WHEN I BECAME A TEEN. AIMEE'S AGE? YEAH, A LITTLE PRIOR TO THAT -- 12. UM... AS SHE WAS STARTING TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH HER, WHY SHE WAS HAVING TIME LAPSES, WHY SHE WASN'T ABLE TO REMEMBER THINGS, AND SHE WAS STARTING TO GO THROUGH THE THERAPY... MM-HMM. ...THEN MY PARENTS SLOWLY INTRODUCED ME TO WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO HER. I MEAN, OF COURSE, THEY DIDN'T GIVE ME ALL THE DETAILS UNTIL I GOT OLDER, BUT YEAH. AND SO, WERE YOU LIKE AIMEE, NEVER KNOWING WHO WAS GONNA SHOW UP? OR WAS THERE A SOLID PERSONALITY THAT WAS THERE MOST OF THE TIME? NO, I WOULD COME HOME FROM SCHOOL NOT KNOWING WHO I WAS COMING HOME TO. MM-HMM. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE GOOD DAYS AND BAD DAYS, SO... BUT AS I WAS SAYING TO AIMEE, TOO, I THINK IT'S SO HARD WHEN YOU'RE 13. WE ALL REMEMBER 13. 13 AND 14, I THINK THEY'RE THE TOUGHEST YEARS OF YOUR LIFE, ACTUALLY, 'CAUSE YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO YOU ARE AND TRYING TO FIT IN AND TRYING TO BE OKAY AND NOT WANTING OTHER PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT YOU. HOW DID YOU HANDLE IT WITH FRIENDS? WITH FRIENDS, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT WHEN I STARTED TO TELL THEM WHAT WAS HAPPENING. YEAH. THEY -- A LOT OF THEM WERE NOT ACCEPTING, AND THE FEW THAT WERE ARE STILL MY FRIENDS TODAY, SO... WE'RE YOU BULLIED? DID THEY SAY, "YOUR MAMA'S CRAZY"? OH, YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. AND I THINK IT'S A BIG FEAR THING. WE FEAR WHAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND. DID YOU EVER MEET -- 'CAUSE I WAS ASKING AIMEE -- AIMEE DOESN'T KNOW KIM, SHE ONLY KNOWS PATRICIA. DID YOU EVER MEET THE REAL TRUDDI CHASE? I THINK THE REAL TRUDDI CHASE HAD DIED, HAD JUST GONE TO SLEEP, HAD DIED, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT, SO, NO. BRUTALLY RAPED BY, WHEN SHE WAS TWO YEARS OLD -- TWO YEARS OLD. DID YOU EVER MEET THE ABUSER, YOUR MOTHER'S ABUSIVE STEPFATHER? NO, I NEVER DID. I NEVER DID. AND IT'S PROBABLY A REALLY GOOD THING I DIDN'T. MM-HMM. WAS SHE -- YOU KNOW, AFTER WE DID THAT SHOW IN 1990, WAS SHE HAPPY THAT SHE HAD DONE THAT SHOW? OH, YEAH. YEAH. I THINK -- SHE -- SHE WANTED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON -- TALK ABOUT IT, GET IT OUT THERE. AND FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING ABUSED, TALK, FIND WHOEVER YOU CAN AND HAVE A VOICE. AND I THINK SHE WANTED TO BE THAT VOICE FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT IT WAS OKAY TO TALK AND TO STEP UP AND NOT HIDE. YEAH. WOULDN'T SHE BE SO PLEASED TO KNOW TODAY THAT ERIN IS ONE RESULT? YEAH. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. COMING UP, ERIN'S CALL TO ACTION. WE TEACH KIDS TORNADO DRILLS, FIRE DRILLS, BUS DRILLS, WE PUT ALL THIS INFORMATION INTO THEIR HEADS. WE TEACH THEM NOTHING ON SEXUAL ABUSE. ERIN, I WANT TO TALK TO YOU FOR A MOMENT. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DEMANDED AN APOLOGY FROM YOUR ABUSER? -DID YOU? -I DID. I WAS GOING THROUGH SO MUCH SELF-DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR, SELF-INJURY, DEPRESSION, YOU KNOW, FLASHBACK NIGHTMARES, THAT I WANTED TO LET GO OF THE ANGER AND HATRED AND MOVE FORWARD AND BE ABLE TO FORGIVE. AND SO THIS FAMILY MEMBER, I ENDED UP CORRESPONDING FOR SEVEN MONTHS IN LETTERS WITH HIM UNTIL I GOT THAT APOLOGY. AND IT WAS -- DID HE ACKNOWLEDGE HAVING ABUSED YOU, HAVING DONE THAT TO YOU? YES, HE DID. VERY OPENLY SHARED, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE DID, ADMITTED HIS WRONG, AND...I MEAN, IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN READ A PIECE OF WHAT HE SAID IN HIS LETTER. YEAH, TELL ME, WHAT DID HE SAY? THIS WAS HIS FINAL LETTER TO ME. IT SAID, "I'M SORRY FOR WHAT I DID TO YOU A LONG TIME AGO. MY ACTIONS WEREN'T THOUGHT OUT. I WAS CONFUSED AND DISORIENTED. I ACTED ON BEHALF OF JUST PLAIN STUPIDITY. I WISH I HAD NEVER HURT YOU THE WAY THAT I DID. I WISH I COULD GO BACK INTO MY PAST, STOP MYSELF AND TEACH MYSELF WHAT WAS WRONG WITH MY ACTIONS. BUT I HAD TO LEARN THE HARD WAY. AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU WERE THE ONE I ABUSED. I AM SORRY FOR THE PAST, AND I HOPE YOU CAN FORGIVE ME. BUT IF YOU CANNOT, I UNDERSTAND. I AM SORRY." AND IT WAS THIS LETTER THAT FINALLY ALLOWED ME TO COME OUT OF DARKNESS AND DECIDE I WANTED TO BE A FACE AND VOICE ON THIS SILENT EPIDEMIC BECAUSE LIKE TRUDDI, LIKE THE MILLIONS OF OTHERS THAT HAVE SUFFERED THROUGH THIS HORROR WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IN OUR SOCIETY. WE ARE SHUNNED. PEOPLE ARE STIGMATIZED. THERE'S SHAME ATTACHED TO THIS. AND WE DON'T EDUCATE CHILDREN ABOUT THIS. WE TEACH KIDS TORNADO DRILLS, FIRE DRILLS, BUS DRILLS. WE PUT ALL THIS INFORMATION INTO THEIR HEADS. WE TEACH THEM NOTHING ON SEXUAL ABUSE. I KNOW. AND THAT'S WHY I WENT AFTER A LAW IN THE STATE OF ILLINOIS AND JUST RECENTLY GOT IT PASSED BY THE SENATE CALLED ERIN'S LAW. IT'S A LAW THAT WILL DEMAND EDUCATION. GOOD FOR YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] AND WHAT DOES THE LAW DO? GOOD FOR YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] AND I PLAN TO TAKE THIS LAW NATIONAL TO PROTECT CHILDREN ACROSS THIS NATION 'CAUSE KIDS NEED TO BE EDUCATED ON SEXUAL ABUSE. THEY NEED THE TOOLS TO SPEAK UP AND SPEAK OUT. I THINK KIDS NEED TO BE EDUCATED, AND I THINK PARENTS NEED TO BE EDUCATED. YES, AND THAT'S ALSO A PART OF IT. YEAH, I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR YEARS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. [ APPLAUSE ] WHEN WE COME BACK, SHE WAS ONLY 14 WHEN SHE SAW TRUDDI CHASE'S STORY ON OUR SHOW. HOW A FIRST-TIME VIEWER WAS INSPIRED FOR A LIFETIME. HI, OPRAH. I KNOW KARI'S SITTING BESIDE YOU, AND I KNOW SHE'S BEEN THROUGH A LOT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET HER KNOW THAT HER MOM'S STORY INSPIRED A 14-YEAR-OLD GIRL TO FIND HER PASSION IN LIFE. KARI, I SAW MY VERY FIRST OPRAH SHOW, AND YOUR MOM WAS THE GUEST. IT WAS YOUR MOM WHO SHOWED ME HOW DEVASTATING AND CONFUSING SEXUAL ABUSE COULD BE FOR A CHILD. I WAS SHOCKED THAT THESE TYPE OF THINGS WERE HAPPENING IN OTHER PEOPLE'S HOMES. KARI, YOUR MOM WAS A GIFT TO ME. IN THAT MOMENT, I REALIZED THAT I WANTED TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE LIKE HER. BECAUSE OF YOUR BRAVE MOM, I WAS INSPIRED TO BECOME A LICENSED CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER. YOUR MOM'S LEGACY IS THAT SHE HAD AN IMPACT ON PEOPLE LIKE ME. I CAN'T THANK HER ENOUGH FOR HELPING LEAD ME DOWN THIS PATH AND FINDING MY PASSION AND REALIZING THAT I'M HERE TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE. WOW. THAT'S AMAZING. THANK YOU. WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN YOU ERIN? AND ERIN REPRESENTS THOUSANDS OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAW THAT SHOW. AND NOW YOU HEAR THIS STORY? IT'S VERY OVERWHELMING. VERY OVERWHELMING. YEAH. YEAH. YOUR MOM IS SOMEWHERE SMILING. YES, SHE IS. SHE'S RIGHT HERE. RIGHT HERE ON YOUR SHOULDER. WHAT DO YOU MISS MOST ABOUT HERE? HER AMAZING SENSE OF HUMOR. SHE HAD KIND OF A DARK SENSE OF HUMOR. MM-HMM. YEAH. I THOUGHT SO, TOO, FROM THE VERY FIRST TIME I INTERVIEWED HER. YEAH. YEAH. BUT YOU GOT TO BE ABLE TO LAUGH WITH 92 OF YOU IN THERE. YOU KNOW... [ LAUGHTER ] LAUGHTER WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS. LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE. YEAH. AND SHE KNEW HOW TO LAUGH. SO THANK YOU. -THANK YOU. -THANK YOU. THANKS TO ALL OF MY GUESTS TODAY. GOODBYE.
