[MUSIC] >> WELCOME ONCE AGAIN TO FATHER SPITZER'S UNIVERSE AT THE BUSY INTERSECTION OF FAITH AND REASON, AS WE CONTINUE ON IN THE NEW YEAR OF 2021. I'M DOUG KECK. AND OF COURSE WE RELY ON YOUR QUESTIONS TO HELP DRIVE THE PROGRAM, WITH FATHER SPITZER SO YOU CAN EMAIL US, CHECK US OUT ON FACEBOOK, TWEET US ON TWITTER, GO TO THE MAGIS CENTER WEBSITE FOR ALL THINGS FATHER SPITZER AS WELL AS CREDIBLECATHOLIC.COM. AND WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT "CHRIST VS. SATAN IN OUR DAILY LIVES" THE COSMIC STRUGGLE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL, NOT ONLY IS THAT A GREAT NEW BOOK THAT IS NOW AVAILABLE THROUGH THE EWTN RELIGIOUS CATALOG, IT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE THE TOPIC OF THE PROGRAM THAT WE WILL BE DOING TODAY. AND BESIDES THAT. EWTN ALSO PUBLISHES ITS OWN WORKS. THIS MONTH WE HAVE GOT A BIBLICAL WAY OF PRAYING THE MASS, VERY INTERESTING BOOK BY THE ONE AND ONLY FATHER TIMOTHY GALLONLER A LOT OF PEOPLE LOVE HIS BOOKS AND HIS SERIES ON EWTN. AND SPEAKING OF SOMEONE THEY LOVE, WE TURN TO OUR ONE AND ONLY FATHER SPITZER. GREAT TO SEE YOU. HOW ARE YOU? >> GREAT TO BE WITH YOU, DOUG. I'M DOING GREAT. DOING GREAT. >> VERY GOOD. HAVE YOU KICKED THINGS OFF AS ALWAYS WITH A PRAYER THAT WOULD BE TERRIFIC. >> ABSOLUTELY. IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AMEN. HEAVENLY FATHER WE GIVE YOU THANKS FOR THE MANY BLESSINGS YOU BESTOW UPON US THROUGH OUR CHURCH, THROUGH OUR FAITH, THROUGH OUR COUNTRY. WE ASK YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME TO BLESS OUR COUNTRY, TO BLESS OUR CULTURE, TO BLESS OUR FAMILIES ESPECIALLY AS WE TRY TO NEGOTIATE SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE THESE DAYS. WANT TO ASK YOU ALSO LORD TO SEND YOUR HOLY SPIRIT DOWN UPON DOUG, MYSELF, ALL OF OUR AUDIENCE MEMBERS THIS DAY SO THAT WHATEVER WE DO WILL BE BROUGHT TO FLEWTION IN YOUR WILL FOR THE GOOD OF YOUR PEOPLE, YOUR CHURCH AND YOUR KINGDOM. WE AND THIS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. AMEN. AND MARY SEAT OF WISDOM, PRAY FOR US. >> LAST WEEK WE GOT BACK TO TALKING ABOUT OUR TOPIC AND WE HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WE STILL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS WE CAN GET TO RIGHT AWAY THIS WEEK. SO WE CAN SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME ON THE TOPIC CHRIST VERSUS SATAN IN OUR DAILY LIVES. BUT WE HAVE SOME TOUGHIES HERE SO BATTER UP. DEAR FATHER SPITZER, IT SEEMS THAT EVERY TIME THE ABORTION SUBJECT COMES UP YOU AND GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT ONLY CONSERVATIVES ARE ANTI ABORTION. I'M AN INDEPENDENTLY LEANING LIBERAL AND MANY OF MY FELLOW LIBERALS ARE DIEHARD ANTI ABORTIONISTS CAN YOU AND DOUG EXPLAIN YOUR POSITIONS? THIS IS HAROLD. >> HAROLD, I'M NOT OF THAT OPINION AT ALL. I THINK THAT CERTAINLY THERE ARE CONSERVATIVES WHO ARE ANTI ABORTION BUT I ALSO THINK THERE ARE CERTAINLY LIBERALS WHO ARE ALSO ANTI ABORTION, AND I HAVE KNOWN MANY OF THEM THROUGHOUT MY LIFE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE CONVEYED THAT OPINION. I CERTAINLY APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR IT AND I'M SURE DOUG DOESN'T HAVE THAT OPINION EITHER. I WOULD SAY THAT IN GENERAL, PROBABLY MORE PERCENTAGE-WISE, MORE CONSERVATIVE PROBABLY LEAN TO ANTI ABORTION THAN WOULD LEAN -- THAN LIBERALS WOULD LEAN TO ANTI ABORTION, BUT, NO, I DON'T MAKE ANY HARD AND FAST DISTINCTIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT I ENCOUNTER CONSERVATIVE, I ENCOUNTER LIBERAL, AND I JUST ASK, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHAT IS YOUR POSITION? AND I FIND OUT. BECAUSE I DON'T MAKE ANY PRESUPPOSITIONS WITH ANY INDIVIDUAL PERSON I MEET. SO IF I GAVE THAT IMPRESSION, SINCERE APOLOGIES BUT I SURE DON'T BELIEVE IT. >> I THINK MAYBE THE CROSSOVER THERE AND THE CONFUSION IS, HAVING TO DO WITHHOLDING THE POSITION AND THEN HOW IMPORTANT IS IT TO YOU WHEN YOU'RE VOTING, MEANING THAT OBVIOUSLY MANY TIMES THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL SAY WELL, I'M AGAINST ABORTION BUT THEY DON'T FIND THAT TO BE THE PRE-IMMINENT ISSUE OR THE ISSUE THAT ULTIMATELY DRIVES HOW THEY PARTICULARLY VIEW ESPECIALLY SITUATIONS IN THE COUNTRY POLITICALLY WHERE WE WOULD SAY HERE THAT WE'RE ABOUT VOTING PRO-LIFE, AS YOU SAID, IF IT HAPPENED TO BE THAT JOE BIDEN WAS MR. PRO-LIFE WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO PROMOTE MR. PRO-LIFE. AND IT'S THE SAME THING WITH ANY CANDIDATE, IF THEY HAPPEN TO BE PRO-LIFE THAT WOULD BE SOMEBODY WE THINK IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THINGS. UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN OUT OF THIS LAST ELECTION WE HAVE SEEN THAT THE REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF QUOTE/UNQUOTE PRO-LIFERS WHO EXIST IN THE DEMOCRATIC OR MORE LIBERAL SIDE IS DOWN TO AN INFINITESIMAL NUMBER, AND THAT'S JUST A REALITY THAT PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND. AND AGAIN WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU CAN'T BE PRO-LIFE OR YOU CAN'T BE ANTI ABORTION. THE QUESTION A LOT OF CASES WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS WHERE DOES THAT FALL IN THE HIERARCHY OF TRUTHS WHEN YOU'RE DETERMINING WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT AFFECTS OUR COUNTRY AND WORLD TODAY. >> Fr. Spitzer: I AGREE WITH THE THAT. MURDER IN MY OPINION IS A VERY HIGH ISSUE. AND MASS MURDER IS A SUPER HIGH ISSUE. SO I DON'T THINK -- I VIEW ABORTION AS GENOCIDE IS IT NOT JUST LATE TERM ABORTIONS WITH PERFECTLY VIABLE CHILDREN. I THINK ALL ABORTIONS ARE MURDER AND I THINK THEY'RE ALL GENOCIDE, SO THIS IS A HUGE MILLION BABY A YEAR GENOCIDE JUST IN THE U.S. I MEAN IN CHINA, IT'S OVERWHELMING THE NUMBER OF ABORTIONS. JUST MILLIONS. AND RUSSIA. THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM. WE LIVE IN A GENOCIDAL AGE AND SO, YEAH, WE NEED TO KNOWLEDGE IT AND ACKNOWLEDGE IT AS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO STOP IF WE'RE GOING TO EVALUATE LIFE IN THE WORLD AND WORLD CULTURE. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING DEFINITELY WORTH THINKING ABOUT. AND TO YOUR POINT, DOUG, CERTAINLY, ONE PARTY, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A CONSERVATIVE PARTY CERTAINLY ACKNOWLEDGES PRO-LIFE ON A VERY WIDE SCALE, AND ONE PARTY WHICH IS A LIBERAL PARTY DOES NOT ACKNOWLEDGE IT AT ALL. IT IS A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE, AND ACTUALLY THAT PARTY HAS A PLATFORM THAT IS ANTI LIFE. SO WE HAVE TO TO REFLECT THAT, TOO, IN THE WAY WE THINK AND THE WAY WE VOTE, BUT IN TERMS OF DO I PRESUME THAT SOMEBODY IS PRO-LIFE OR ANTI LIFE ON THE BASIS OF WHETHER HE IS A LIBERAL OR A CONSERVATIVE, I DON'T MAKE ANY PRESUPPOSITION UNTIL I HAVE TALKED TO THEM. >> THERE ARE GROUPS LIKE ATHEISTS FOR LIFE AND DEMOCRATS FOR LIFE, SO OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LIFE ISSUE THAT'S THE PREEMINENT ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT JUST SO HAPPENS IT TENDS TO FALL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THAT USED NO NOT BE THE CASE AND IT WAS VERY MUCH THE OTHER WAY IN A LOT OF WAYS THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WAS THE ONE THAT TENDED TO FOLLOW WHERE CATHOLICS WOULD SEE MOST OF THEIR VALUES INCLUDING THE PRO-LIFE VALUES BEING REALLY REPRESENTED. >> IT HAS REALLY CHANGED. >> THAT'S THE CONUNDRUM FOR PEOPLE. AND I THINK UNFORTUNATELY SOMETIMES IT'S TROUBLING FOR ALL OF US COULD COME TO GRIPS WITH WHAT THE TRUTH IS. HERE IS ANOTHER QUESTION: DEAR FATHER SPITZER: ON A RECENT SHOW YOU DISCUSSED SOCIALISM. CHRISTIANS BELIEVE SOCIALISM IS WHAT JESUS WOULD WANT FOR US. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE GOD HAS PUT US IN OUR HUMAN NATURE A DESIRE TO WORK HARD TO GAIN REWARDS. I ALSO BELIEVE GOD WANTS YOU-ALL TREATMENT FOR EVERYONE AND OUTCOMES BASED ON OUR OWN EFFORT. HAS THE CHURCH EVER SUPPORTED ANY FORM OF SOCIALISM? AND THIS IS MIKE. >> WELL, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHURCH THEOLOGIANS WHO SUPPORTED SOCIALISM BUT NOT OUR OFFICIAL TEACHINGS. WE HAVE WHAT IS CALLED FLESH SOCIAL TEACHINGS. AND THE TRADITIONAL SOCIAL TEACHING AGAINSTS WITH AN ENCYCLICAL OF LEO XIII CALL NARO REBAREM, AND SOCIAL ENCYCLICAL TALKS ABOUT ECONOMICS AND POLITICS AND INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND INTERNATIONAL JUDICIARY SYSTEMS, THE ENVIRONMENT, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, SO THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT WE CALL PRE-ADDITIONAL JUDGMENTS AND MAGISTERIAL TEACHING THAT I WILL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MOMENT. FOR THE TIME BEING IN THE ENCYCLICAL WITH RESPECT TO SOCIALISM, LEO XIII ACTUALLY DID NOT SUPPORT SOCIALISM AND WHAT HE TRIED TO SAY WAS THIS IS AN ENCYCLICAL ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF WORKERS, THE RIGHTS OF LABORERS AND SO HE IS TRYING TO CREATE A JUST, SOCIAL POLICY FOR THE WORKING PERSON. NOW, THE KEY THING TO SEE IS THAT HE DOESN'T TURN TO SOCIALISM AS BEING THE CARRIER OF THAT JUSTICE FOR WORKERS. HE SAYS WE ALSO NEED AN ECONOMY THAT IS GOING TO PRODUCE GOODS AND SERVICES THAT PEOPLE WILL BUY WHERE REAL WEALTH IS CREATED, WHERE REAL EMPLOYMENT IS CREATED. BECAUSE IF GOVERNMENT OWNS EVERYTHING, WHAT WILL WIND UP HAPPENING IS THAT INDIVIDUAL INITIATIVES, INDIVIDUAL CREATIVITY, WILL BE SUPPRESSED CONSIDERABLY. IF YOU SAY THERE'S NO PRECEDENT, THERE ARE VOLUMES OF PRECEDENT FOR THIS. I MEAN ANYBODY WHO BELIEVES THAT GOVERNMENT OWNERSHIP OF ANY MEANS OF PRODUCTION WILL DO ANY GOOD FOR ANYBODY NEEDS TO JUST, PLEASE, READ HISTORY FOR 15 MINUTES, THE HISTORY OF ECONOMICS. I MEAN THERE'S JUST NO QUESTION GOVERNMENT OWNERSHIP DOESN'T WORK. NOW, SOCIALISM DOES PROMOTE A GOVERNMENT OWNERSHIP OR AT LEAST GOVERNMENT CONTROL SIGNIFICANT -- SIGNIFICANT GOVERNMENT CONTROL OVER THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION. THAT ALWAYS, ALWAYS HAS SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERMINED INCENTIVE, CREATIVITY, PRODUCTIVITY, RISK TAKING, ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION TO BE BUILT UP. SO SHREWDLY, POPE LEO XIII WHO WAS BY THE WAY NO ECONOMIC DUMMY, RIGHT, HE GOES RIGHT INTO THE MIDDLE OF THIS AND SAYS WE ARE PROMOTING A FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM BY WHICH THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION SHOULD BE CONTROL. HOWEVER, WE WANT A JUST DISTRIBUTION OF GOODS; WE WANT PEOPLE -- THE WORKER CANNOT BE EMPLOYEDED IN THE WORKPLACE. THEY CAN'T BE EXPLOITED IN THEIR WAGES. THEY EXPLOITED IN THEIR WORKING CONDITIONS. AND HE GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT THIS. AND WHAT DOES HE DO? HE SELECTED AT THAT TIME, THE AMERICAN IS THEM AS A MODEL BY WHICH -- IN OTHER WORDS, A FREE ENTERPRISE PRODUCTION SYSTEM WITH, YOU KNOW, A GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS THAT PROTECT.RIGHTS OF WORKERS ET CETERA. HE SELECTS THAT AS, THAT'S A VERY GOOD MODEL, THIS AMERICAN MODEL BY WHICH WE CAN ACTUALLY SHOW A WAY OF KEEPING THAT CREATIVITY AND INCENTIVE AND RISK TAKING AND PRODUCTION AND HARD WORK, YOU KNOW, THAT GETS OVER THE REAL PROBLEMS AND HURDLES OF STARTING A BUSINESS AND MAINTAINING, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDUP OF CAPITAL SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MAJOR EMPLOYMENT, MEANINGFUL MAJOR EMPLOYMENT ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO PREVENT POVERTY FROM TAKING PLACE. THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO PREVENT THE TRAVESTY OF SOCIALISM AND MARXISM AND COMMUNISM WHICH HAS FAILED IN ITS EVERY TURN IN HISTORY. THERE'S NOT A SINGLE INSTANCE OF A COMMUNIST OR MARXIST SYSTEM HAT HAS NOT WOUND UP IN SOME FORM OF POVERTY. I MEAN THE ONLY REASON THAT CHINA IS BREAKING OUT OF SOME OF ITS POVERTY, NOT BY ANY MEANS ALL OF IT, IS BECAUSE THEY'RE MOVING TOWARD CAPITALISM, YOU KNOW, IN VARIOUS WAYS. SO MY POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS THE CHURCH HAS NEVER TAUGHT SOCIALISM ON ANY OFFICIAL LEVEL. SOCIALLY ENCYCLICALS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CAREFUL TO PROTECT THE FREE ENTERPRISE MEANS OF PRODUCTION BUT HAS ALWAYS AT THE SAME MOMENT PROTECTED THE RIGHTS OF LABORERS, PROTECTED THE RIGHTS OF THE POOR, AND TRIED TO MAINTAIN A STEADFAST ABILITY OF ALL CITIZENS TO RECEIVE EDUCATION AND SO FORTH. SO THESE THINGS ARE THERE. IT'S A VERY, VERY BALANCED, EXCELLENT, RATIONAL POLICY THAT CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS TAUGHT, AND I WOULD JUST GO RIGHT BACK TO RURAM REBAREM AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHERS SHOWING THIS CONNECTION BETWEEN FREE ENTERPRISE AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND IT'S PROTECTION OF THE RIGHTS OF WORKERS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND YOU CAN JUST GO TO THE WEBSITE AND SEE MANY OF THESE FINE ORGANIZATIONS. >> Doug: I THINK SOMETIMES WITH THIS IT COMES OUT OF THIS READING OF THE EARLY CHURCH AND LIVING WITH COMMON GOODS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND PEOPLE SAY OH, SEE, THIS WAS THE MODEL THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPEN BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IF YOU READ ON YOU REALIZE IT DIDN'T WORK. >> Fr. Spitzer: FIRST OF ALL THAT WASN'T BEING SUGGESTED AS MEANS OF PRODUCTION OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE BUT THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENED. THE SECOND THING THAT HAPPENS IS THAT I DON'T THINK THE CHURCH MEANT, EVEN THOUGH GOODS WERE HELD IN COMMON, I DON'T THINK THE CHURCH MEANT OR WANTED TO BE RUNNING BUSINESSES OR HAVING GOVERNMENTS RUNNING BUSINESSES OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, THAT IT JUST WAS A COMMON HOLDING OF GOODS. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT WAS REALLY REPLACED WITHIN ABOUT 60 YEARS THE IDEA OF COMMON HOLDING OF GOODS IS PRETTY MUCH GONE. AND IT GOES WITH THE MISSIONARY CHURCH EXPANDING OUT ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THE IDEA OF HOLDING GOODS IN COMMON WAS JUST NOT PRACTICAL ANYMORE IN THAT CAPACITY. HOWEVER IT WAS REPLACED BY, YOU KNOW, GIVING OF ALMS TO THE CHURCH FOR THE DISTRIBUTION TO PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THE TIGHTEST OF CIRCUMSTANCES. SO WE EVEN SEE IN PAUL'S DAY THAT PAUL DOESN'T SAY THERE HAS TO BE JOINT OWNERSHIP OF ANYTHING. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND ANYTHING OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN MALL'S LETTERS. WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND, HE SAYS, HEY, I'M COMING BY. CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE TAKEN UP SOME COLLECTIONS FOR THE POOR PEOPLE, IN THIS CASE IN JERUSALEM, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE BEING SEVERELY PERSECUTED AND THEY'RE LOSING THEIR JOBS, THEIR BUSINESSES, SO IF YOU CAN GIVE SOME ALMS I WILL GO OVER AND HAVE BARNABAS THERE DISTRIBUTE THEM, AND SO FORTH, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S VERY, VERY COMMON, EVEN BY 58 A.D., SO THAT'S ABOUT 28 YEARS AFTER JESUS' RESURRECTION. SO YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH GET THE IDEA. >> Doug: ALSO WASN'T PAUL THE ONE WHOPPED IF YOU DON'T WORK YOU DON'T NECESSARILY EAT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. >> Fr. Spitzer: THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. HE DID SAY THAT. HE LITERALLY SAID THAT. >> Doug: IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEALING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED, OBVIOUSLY WIDOWS AND ORPHANS AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO -- WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THEM YOU WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THEM BUT IF SOMEONE IS IN A POSITION TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES, EVEN THOUGH THEY SHOULD REQUIRE HELP FROM THE CHURCH OR COMMUNITY, THERE'S SOME RESPONSIBILITY ON THAT PERSON'S PART TO PARTICIPATE IN THEIR OWN SUCCESS; RIGHT. >> Fr. Spitzer: YOU BET, YOU BET. >> Doug: THE OTHER THING I WANT TO ASK ON THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS AN INTERESTING TOPIC. SOMETIMES YOU HEAR THE FILLETS, WELL, EVERYTHING BELONGS TO GOD ANYWAY SO EVERYTHING YOU HAVE COMES FROM GOD SO IT ULTIMATELY BELONGS TO GOD SO IT'S NOT REALLY YOURS TO BEGIN WITH -- >> Fr. Spitzer: YEAH, BUT IN A WAY THAT IS TRUE, AND WE DO HAVE A DOCTRINE IN THE CATHOLIC SOCIAL TEACHING CALLED THE UNIVERSAL DESTINATION OF GOODS, WHICH MEANS NOT EVERYBODY OWNS EVERYTHING BECAUSE THE CHURCH HAS NEVER HELD THAT. BUT WHAT IT DOES MEAN IS EVERYBODY IS ENTITLED TO SHARE TO SOME EXTENT IN THE FRUITS OF CREATION TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY NEED THEM. SO EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO THE FRUITS OF CREATION TO THE EXTEND THEY NEED THEM FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND THEMSELVES, FOR NOT JUST SURVIVAL BUT SO THEY CAN ACT AND MANIFEST THEMSELVES AS FREE HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE SEEKING THE GOOD OF THEIR FAMILY DOESN'T HE SAY SEEKING THE GOOD OF THEMSELVES. SO THAT CERTAINLY IS PART OF CATHOLIC DOCTRINE. IN THE SAME BREATH THE CATHOLIC CHURCHES UPHELD PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR THE LONGEST TIME, AND KEY CAN CERTAINLY SEE THAT -- I MEAN AQUINAS HIMSELF HAS A WHOLE QUESTION DEVOTED TO PRIVATE PROPERTY WHERE HE SAYS, YES, THIS IS THE BEST MEANS OF RUNNING AN ECONOMY, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY, HE EVEN SAYS, IT DIS INCENTIVIZES PEOPLE FROM TAKING CARE OF THE PROPERTY, GIVEN DISINCENTIVES PEOPLE FROM TAKING CARE OF THE PROPERTY SO HE HAS THREE ARGUMENTS FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY WHICH ARE STILL VERY VALID TODAY. AND BECAUSE OF THOMAS' INTEREST THIS THAT, A SCHOOL CALLED THE SALAMONCA SCHOOL, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH AROUND IN THE 1500'S IN SALAMONCA SPAIN, THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT SCHOOL IN ECONOMICS. AND BY THE WAY, THE SALAMONCA SCHOOL IS THE ONE THAT BASICALLY SAID, LOOK, INTEREST IS NOT A SIN IN ITSELF, IF INTEREST IS JUSTLY ADMINISTERED AND THERE'S A JUST INTEREST RATE THAT IS ESTABLISHED, SO THAT IT IS NOT USED OR PEOPLE ARE BASICALLY -- YOU KNOW, GYPPING EACH OTHER OR SENDING OUT THE MAFIA PEOPLE TO BREAK YOUR KNEES IF YOU DON'T PAY THE LOAN, YOU KNOW, BUT IF YOU HAVE ADJUSTED ADMINISTRATION AND DETERMINATION AND AGREEMENT TO INTEREST THIS COULD BE AN ECONOMY BOOSTER. SO YOU CAN SEE -- AND, BY THE WAY, THIS GUY BY THE NAME OF IS. HUNG PASER, A GERMAN ECONOMIST WHO WROTE A HISTORY OF GERMAN ECONOMICS, ATTRIBUTES THE BLOOMING OF THE ECONOMY IN THE RENAISSANCE ERA BASICALLY TO THE SALAMONCA SCHOOL AND THE WORK OF SOME JESUITS, MOLENA AND EVEN SUAREZ AND A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE, WHO WERE TRULY THINKING OF ECONOMIC LAWS OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND, EVEN BEFORE ADAM SMITH WROTE HIS FORMAL TRACK AT A TIME. SO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS VERY INVOLVED IN FREE MARKET ECONOMIC THINKING, THE USE OF INTEREST IN FREE MARKET -- JUST DETERMINATIONS OF PRICES AND WAGES BY SUPPLY AND DEMAND, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. ALL OF THESE THINGS WERE ALL READY BEING CARRIED OUT IN OF THE SALAMONCA SCHOOL. BY THE TIME WE GET THEM TO ADAM SMITH AND OTHERS, IT'S ALREADY PRETTY MUCH A FULL PRACTICE GOING ON IN EUROPE WITH A THRIVING FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM. BUT THE CHURCH ALWAYS SAID, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNMENT HAS A RIGHT AND THE CHURCH HAS RIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT TERRIBLE INJUSTICES ARE NOT COMMITTED TOWARD THE POOR OR THOSE WHO COULD BE EXPLOITED IN THE LABOR AREA. AND THAT DID HAPPEN DURING THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. >> HERE IS ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU. DEAR FATHER SPITZER: RECENTLY PRESIDENT TRUMP ISSUED A PROCLAMATION IN PRAISE OF ST. THOMAS BECKET AND HIS MARTYRDOM IN DEFENSE OF THE FAITH. HE ALSO CALLED FOR THE END OF RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION. THIS WAS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. THIS VERY SIGNIFICANT ACTION HAD LITTLE MENTION IN THE PRESS OBVIOUSLY. AND AT THAT TIME, WE ALL NEED MORE ENCOURAGEMENT. IT DOES SEEM TO BE -- THE POINT HE IS MAKING -- TO SOME DEGREE IS THAT WHEN WE SPEAK OUT AGAINST RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A LOT OF ATTENTION PAID TO IT. >> YEAH, WELL, THAT'S -- THE PRESS CERTAINLY DOESN'T PUSH THAT VERY MUCH, THE MAINSTREAM PRESS. BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE EWTN AND OTHER CATHOLIC AND RELIGIOUS RADIO STATIONS. AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BECOMING MORE POPULAR FRANKLY. THAT'S WHY CATHOLIC NEWS SHOWS ARE NOW BEING TURNED TO MORE AND MORE. NOBODY TRUSTS SECULAR MEDIA ANYMORE. FRANKLY I HAVE VERY SIGNIFICANT DOUBTS ABOUT ANYTHING I HEAR ON SECULAR NEWS MEDIA RIGHT NOW, AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU I THINK THAT THERE'S -- AS THE BARD SAYS, FAR MORE CRIMES AND ERRORS OF OMISSION THAN CO-MISSION, AND CULPABLE OMISSIONS BY THE PRESS ARE JUST SO LEGION -- I MEAN WHERE DO YOU START? IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME AT ALL THAT THEY DON'T MENTION ST. THOMAS BECKET, YOU KNOW, TRULY A PERSON WHO WAS PERSECUTED FOR HIS RELIGIOUS OPINIONS. I MEAN HE DISAGREED WITH THE KING AND THE KING SAID, HEY, I OWN YOU. AND HE SAID WELL, YOU DON'T OWN THE CHURCH. THAT WAS A MISTAKE. WELL, SOMEONE RID ME OF THIS PRIEST. FOUR NIGHTS WENT OUT AND KILLED HIM RIGHT THERE AT CANTERBURY CATHEDRAL. TOOK CARE OF THAT PROBLEM. OF COURSE I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT FEAST PROCLAIM RELIGIOUS LIBERTY AND I'M GLAD PRESIDENT TRUMP DID THAT AND I'M ALSO VERY GLAD THAT YOU HAVE REPORT OF THE THAT, VIEWER, BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN HEAR ABOUT IT AND CERTAINLY I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT IT THROUGH THE SECULAR MEDIA. NO BIG SURPRISE. >> Doug: SOMETIMES I THINK WITH THOMAS BECKET AND LIKE A THOMAS MORE, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF ICONS AND SAINTS IN THE CHURCH THAT -- WHERE WE CAN LOOK TO PEOPLE WHO STOOD UP AGAINST OVERWHELMING ODDS AND STOOD FOR THE TRUTH, EVEN IF IT MEANT THEY HAD TO GIVE THEIR LIVES, AND I THINK SOME OF US FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE COULD USE A LITTLE MORE OF THAT HERE AND THERE IN THE CHURCH -- >> OH, YEAH. AND CERTAINLY IN THE CASE OF THOMAS BECKET. HE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO GIVE HIS LIFE. I'M SURE HE KNEW WHEN HE DISAGREED WITH THE KING, THERE WOULD BE VENGEANCE FORTHCOMING. IN THE CASE OF THOMAS MORE, ALL OF HIS CHARGES WERE TRUMPED UP AND HE WAS ABLE TO CONFRONT THE WITNESS, RICHARD RICH WHO ACTUAL LIED IN ORDER TO GET A MEDAL OF OFFICE, A SEEN THAT IS SO PERFECTLY PORTRAYED IN A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS. OH, RICHARD IS THAT A MEDAL OF OFFICE YOU HAVE? HE IS COMING DOWN AFTER PURGING HIMSELF AGAINST MORE TO LEAD HIM LITERALLY TO HIS DEATH AND HE GOES OH, IT'S FROM WALES? RICHARD, WHAT DOES ITS TOKEN A MAN TO GIVE HIS WHOLE -- TO GIVE HIS SOUL FOR THE WHOLE WORLD, BUT FOR WALES, RICHARD? >> RICHARD, RICH. RIGHT. >> Fr. Spitzer: RICHARD, RICH. YES, WHO DIED IN HIS BED. >> Doug: PROBABLY HAD A LOT OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT THINGS. NEXT UP, DEAR FATHER SPITZER: ON THE FEAST OF HOLY FAMILY OUR PRIEST GAVE A HOMILY PART OF WHICH COMPARED FAMILIES IN THE '60S WITH FAMILIES OF TODAY. HE MENTIONED FAMILIES IN THE '60S CONSISTED OF A WIFE, HUSBAND, AND CHILDREN. WE WOULD CALL THEM THE NUCLEAR FAMILY IN THE PAST. TODAY HE SAID THERE ARE MANY OTHER TYPES OF FAMILIES, SINGLE MOTHER HOUSEHOLDS, HEADED BY TWO WOMEN WITH CHILDREN OR TWO MEN WITH CHILDREN, AND HE ALMOST MADE IT SOUND LIKE HE'S ACCEPTABLE AS HE DID NOT MAKE ANY QUALIFICATIONS. FOR THE YOUNGER PEOPLE IN THE CONGREGATION THIS COULD BE CONFUSING OR EVEN MISLEADING. WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST I DO? ANONYMOUS. >> Fr. Spitzer: WELL, HERE IS MY THOUGHT. I WOULD PROBABLY FIRST SEND HIM AN EMAIL OR LETTER JUST INDICATING THAT -- FIRST OF ALL, ALWAYS GIVE HIM THE RIGHT INTERPRETATION. A GOOD INTERPRETATION. JUST SAY, I KNOW YOU WERE PROBABLY TRYING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT AN IDEAL FAMILY IS NOT COMPOSED OF TWO MOTHERS AND NO FATHER; I KNOW YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY THIS OR THAT OR THE OTHER THING. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I HAVE TO SAY THAT MY KIDS WERE KIND OF CONFUSED, OR I THOUGHT I WAS KIDS IN THE CONGREGATION MIGHT BE CONFUSED. WOULD YOU MIND CLARIFYING THAT A TRADITIONAL FAMILY IS A GOOD FAMILY, THAT FATHERS DO THINGS THAT MOTHERS DON'T DO. MOTHERS DO THINGS THAT FATHERS DON'T DO. AND WHEN KIDS SEE THIS UNITY BETWEEN MOTHER AND FATHER, IT IS TRULY A STRONG SOURCE OF THEIR OWN SECURITY AND IDENTITY. BY THE WAY, THERE ARE ABOUT RIGHT NOW 40 EXCELLENT BOOKS THAT SHOW THE HUGE DEVASTATION OF DIVORCE ON CHILDREN, THE DEVASTATION IS ENORMOUS. IT'S NOT JUST A RELIGIOUS DEVASTATION; IT IS A DEVASTATION ON EVERY LEVEL. THESE KIDS HAVE TRUE SECURITY PROBLEMS. SO MANY OF THE KIDS ALSO REALLY -- THEY DON'T GET THAT SENSE OF MORAL PRESCRIPTION, WHICH THE FATHER ORDINARILY DOES. THE FATHER ALSO BEING VERY RESPONSIBLE FOR RELIGIOUS INCENTIVES, SO WE KNOW IF THE FATHER GOES TO MASS AND TREATS RELIGION WITH A GREAT VALUE, THE ODDS OF THE KIDS BECOMING RELIGIOUS AND GOING TO CHURCH SKYROCKET CONSIDERABLY, ALMOST LIKE ABOUT -- SKYROCKET FROM 10 PERCENT REGULAR CHURCH ATTENDANCE TO ABOUT 40 PERCENT REGULAR CHURCH ATTENDANCE, AND THEN FROM MAYBE 20 PERCENT SPORADIC ATTENDANCE TO ABOUT 80 PERCENT SPORADIC ATTENDANCE, JUST BECAUSE THE FATHER WAS PRESENT AND, BY THE WAY, THAT WAS DONE BY STUDIES IN SWITZERLAND AND GERMANY. NOT EXACTLY WHERE YOUR TURNING TO TO GET THE LATEST IN YOU KNOW, THE CATHOLIC RELIGION. SO FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, WE CAN -- YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'RE RELIABLE STUDIES AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN STILL HAVE A FAMILY THAT ISN'T IDEAL BUT TO IMPLY THEY'RE IN ANY WAY THE SAME -- THE DATA DOES NOT SUPPORT THAT. IT JUST DOESN'T. AND JUST LOOK AT THESE BOOKS THAT AMASS THIS DATA. IT'S VERY CLEAR. NOBODY IS HIDING ANYTHING. AND THE BOOKS ARE SECULAR, NOT CATHOLIC. SO ARE THE STUDIES. >> WELL, I KNOW THERE'S AN AUTHOR OUT KNOW THAT CLAIMS THE STUDIES SHOW THE FATHERLESSNESS OF SO MANY FAMILIES ARE REALLY THE CORE TO WHY WE HAVE SO MANY ISSUES WITH VIOLENCE AND CRIME AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN SOCIETY, THAT THAT'S REALLY RIGHT AT THE CORE OF WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. >> Fr. Spitzer: I THINK IT'S NOT ONLY AT THE CORE OF THAT PROBLEM, AS I HAVE SAID THESE STATISTICS BEFORE IN OTHER SHOWS BUT THE REASON THAT IN 12 YEARS, FROM 2005 TO 2017 OUR YOUNG PEOPLE BETWEEN THE AGES OF 15 TO 30, OUR YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE EXPERIENCED A 56 PERCENT INCREASE IN SUICIDES, A 63 PERCENT INCREASE IN DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY, 63 PERCENT INCREASE, IN 12 YEARS, A 22 PERCENT INCREASE IN HOMICIDES, HEY, I MEAN IT'S NOT -- IT IS DUE IN PART TO THE BREAKUP OF THE FAMILY AND IT'S ALSO DUE IN PART TO A BREAKDOWN OF OBJECTIVE MORAL NORMS, PARTICULARLY IN THE AREAS OF SEXUALITY AND OF COURSE THE BREAKDOWN OF RELIGION, THE WEAKENING OF RELIGION. YOU PUT THOSE THREE THINGS TOGETHER -- THE FAMILY BREAKDOWN, WHICH IS OCCURRING -- THE DATA CLEARLY PROVES IT; CLEARLY, THE RELIGIOUS WEAKENING, THE DATA CLEARLY PROVES IT; AND NOW OF COURSE THE LOSS OF OBJECTIVE MORAL ENORMOUS, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO SEXUALITY AND SEXUAL IDENTITY, AND EVEN GENDER IDENTITY, YOU PUT THAT ALTOGETHER INTO ONE BIG HUGE PACKAGE AND YOU'VE GOT A TRAVESTY IN TERMS OF SUICIDE, DEPRESSION, ANXIETY, SUBSTANCE ABUSE, HOMICIDES, AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS, INCLUDING MAJOR PSYCHIATRIC DISORDERS. YES, THE SECULAR CULTURE HAS COME UP WITH AN IDEAL SOLUTION FOR ALL OF US. GO BACK TO JESUS AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. SORRY. >> Doug: I WAS GOING TO SAY WITH THAT UPLIFTING THOUGHT THERE WE WILL TAKE A BREAK. MUCH MORE AHEAD. THERE'S GOOD STUFF AHEAD FOLKS. IT GETS BETTER. STAY WITH US HERE ON FATHER SPITZER'S UNIVERSE. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] >> THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US HERE IN FATHER SPITZER'S UNIVERSE. AS WE CONTINUE ON OUR TOPIC, CHRIST VERSUS SATAN IN OUR LIVES, THE COSMIC STRUGGLE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL, AVAILABLE IN OUR RELIGIOUS CATALOG AND ALSO THE TOPIC OF OUR SHOW, AS WE CONTINUE ON WITH FATHER SPITZER, WE WILL GET TO A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS AND GET TO THE TOPIC. BUT THIS ONE ADVERTISE INTO THE TOPIC, DEAR FATHER SPITZER, DO YOU THINK SATAN IS INVOLVED IN THIS PANDEMIC? HERE IN IRELAND, THERE ARE NO RELIGIOUS CEREMONIES AND CHURCHES ARE CLOSED. BEATRICE? >> WELL, HERE IS MY THINKING: WE'RE STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. OPENING UP THE CHUMPS COULD PRODUCE OBVIOUS HEALTH CONSEQUENCES THAT WOULD NOT BE HEALTHY AT ALL. OBVIOUSLY ON THE OTHER HAND, CLOSING THE CHURCHES HAS A TERRIBLE SPIRITUAL CONSEQUENCE. SO WHAT CAN WE DO? I THINK WE CAN FIND INTERMEDIARY MEASURES. LIKE IN THE UNITED STATES WE DO HAVE -- OUR CHURCHES ARE OPEN BUT WE HERE IN CALIFORNIA, WE HAVE OUTSIDE CHURCH SERVICES. OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ARRANGED IT SO THAT THEY HAVE CHURCH SERVICES BETWEEN THEIR HALL AND THEIR -- AND THEIR CHURCH WITH ALL OF THE SOCIAL SPACING AND THEY GIVE COMMUNION IN SEPARATE CEREMONIES AFTER MASS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF CREATIVITY GOING ON TO TRY AND KEEP THE CHURCHES OPEN AND TO KEEP THINGS GOING. BUT NO DOUBT SATAN HAS MADE THE MOST OUT OF SOMETHING HE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN INITIALLY PART OF: PANDEMICS HAPPEN. MAYBE THERE'S A NATURAL CAUSE. OR MAYBE IT WAS AN ARTIFICIAL CAUSE. I'M NOT SURE. BUT THE POINT IS, PANDEMICS DO HAPPEN AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY CAUSED BY GOD OR SATAN BUT BY NATURAL CAUSES. NOW, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE DECISIONS HUMAN BEINGS MAKE AND THE RESOLVE THEY HAVE TO KEEP THINGS GOING AND KEEP RELIGION ALIVE IS VERY IMPORTANT AND WE BECAUSE SEE THAT SOME PRIESTS AND BISHOPS HAVE REALLY PENALTY OVER BACKWARDS TO KEEP THING GOING. SOME OTHER ONES HAVE PRETTY MUCH RESIGNED THEMSELVES TO JUST CLOSURES WITHOUT FIGHTING VERY HARD AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN BETWEEN. LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IS GOING ON IN IRELAND BUT I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF CREATIVE EFFORTS THAT ARE GOING ON HERE IN THE STATES TO TRY AND KEEP THINGS ALIVE. AND I JUST NOTICE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE NOW COMING BACK TO THE OUTDOOR MASSES AND THEY ARE BRAVING -- I KNOW. I'M IN CALIFORNIA, AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING -- COLD WEATHER IN CALIFORNIA. WELL, YOU KNOW FOR US 45 TO 55 DEGREES IS COLD. BUT PEOPLE ARE KIND OF BRAVING THE COLD WEATHER AND I WON'T PRESS THAT POINT TOO MUCH BECAUSE I NO HE THAT OUTDOOR MASSES ARE JUST IMPOSSIBLE IN OTHER NORTHERN CLIMATES BUT THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS LET'S KEEP CREATIVE AND TRY TO GET TO COMMUNION AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND LET'S TAKE ADVANTAGE. OUR BISHOPS AND PRIESTS ARE ALLOWING FOR CONFESSION AND COMMUNION SERVICES AND FOR MASSES YOU KNOW, WITH SOCIAL STATING, LET'S TAKE ADVANTAGE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT WE NEED TO FIGHT FOR IT. AND THEN I THINK WE NEED PEOPLE LIKE ON CORDELEONE WHO GETS OUT THERE AND HE FIGHTS WITH THE STATE GOVERNMENT. AND HE IS BLUNT. YOU MEAN TO SAY THAT THE BOOZE STORES GOAT STAY OPEN AND THEY CAN BE CROWDED TO THE HILT AND THE GAMBLING PARLORS AND CASINOS OPEN AND THEY CAN STAY OPEN AND WE CAN'T HAVE MASSES IN OUR CHURCHES WITH LESS THAN 12 PEOPLE? UTTER HYPOCRISY. I LOVE IT. I LOVE IT. HE JUST SPEAKS OUT. OF COURSE HE IS DEALING WITH SECULAR ELEMENTS IN THE GOVERNMENT THAT ARE SO ANTI RELIGIOUS -- I MEAN THEY MAKE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF SECULARISM A PART OF THE CONSTITUTION, YOU KNOW. WE HAVE SOME SAD, SAD, SECULAR CONDITIONS GOING ON, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTRY. BUT WE ALSO HAVE REAL RESPONSIBILITY GOVERNORS AND VERY RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS SO THAT PEOPLE'S SPIRITUAL LIVES CAN BE MAINTAINED AND THAT IT MIGHT ACTUALLY THRIVE AMIDST DIVERSITY. >> THAT SAID IF YOU'RE IN A SITUATION BASED ON YOUR AGE OR ILLNESS OR HEALTH YOU SHOULD FOLLOW WHAT THE DIOCESE ALLOWS YOU TO DO, WATCH ON TV, PARTICIPATE AS BEST YOU CAN. BUT AS YOU POINTED OUT, THE ISSUE ISN'T SO MUCH -- WELL, IF IT'S SO DEADLY AND SO DANGEROUS, WHICH MAYBE IT IS, THEN WHY ARE WE ALLOWING CERTAIN PLACES TO BE OPEN AND NOT ALLOWING OTHER PLACES TO BE OPEN AND ASSUME, OKAY, THESE PEOPLE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DISTANCE THEMSELVES. IT DOES SEEM TO BE WHERE YOU'RE TAKING A SITUATION AND USING IT FOR OTHER PURPOSES. >> RIGHT. >> OTHERWISE YOUR PRIORITIES ARE PRETTY CLEAR. OTHERWISE WHAT YOU'RE SAYINGS A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL IS ALCOHOL AND GAMBLING ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE HOLY EUCHARIST AND THE WORD OF GOD. GOOD. >> ONE OF THE REASONS, BESIDES THEIR PARTICIPATION IN IT IS THE REVENUE THAT COMES FROM IT. >> OH, YEAH. HOW I KNOW CHURCH IS HAVING THAT NONPROFIT STATUS, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST DON'T BRING IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE. YEP. MAYBE I'M GETTING OVERLY SARCASTIC TODAY. >> IT MUST BE THAT COLD FRONT THAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH OUT THERE. >> HERE IS ANOTHER QUESTION: DEAR FATHER SPITZER. I HAVE SEVERAL FAVORITES SAINTS WOULD WHOSE INTERCESSION I PRAY. MY FRIEND SUCCESS FOR INTERCESSION OF DECEASED FAMILY MEMBERS. IS IS IT PROPER TO ASK FOR INTERCESSION OF SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A SAINTS OR STICK WITH THOSE THE CHURCH HAS DECLARED SAINTS. THIS IS MARY? >> MARY, IT'S ALWAYS BEST TO STICK WITH THOSE DECLARED SAINTS. BUT CONFESSING FULLY HERE, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS SAYING TO MY MOM, HEY, MOM, HELP ME OUT HERE. MY MOM IS DECEASED BY THE WAY, AND YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS TALKING TO PEOPLE LIKE MY FORMER MENTOR FATHER THOMAS KING, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS SAY, OH, KING, HELP ME OUT HERE. SO YEAH, OF COURSE, WE KNOW THEY LOVE US AND WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA THAT THEY'RE IN HEAVEN, AND MY THOUGHT IS, JUST AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEAD WHO ARE NOT SAINTS BUT IF YOU'RE JUST ASKING THEM FOR HELP, WHY NOT? AND I DO IT ALL THE TIME. AND SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO IT. BUT OF COURSE PRAYING TO CANONIZED SAINTS IS YOUR SAFEST COURSE OF ACTION AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY COMMUNICATE WITH THEM, SO -- BECAUSE THEY'RE IN HEAVEN AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT COMMUNICATING WITH IT. >> ONE MORE QUESTION: I'M 54 AND HAVE BEEN A NONE BELIEVE 54 YEARS. IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS I BEGAN WATCHING EWTN. I ALSO JOINED A LOCAL CHURCH ALTHOUGH AS A RESIDENT OF CALIFORNIA IT'S CLOSED FOR INDOOR WORSHIP. I FOUND PEACE AND TRANQUILITY SINCE RETURNING TO THE CHURCH BUT YET I STILL DO NOT BELIEVE. I CAN LIST DOZENS AND DOZENS, HUNDREDS OF REASONS WHY I DO NOT BELIEVE. I'M TRULY SEARCHING FOR AN ANSWER OR REASON TO BELIEVE. WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND? STEVE. >> STEVE, I RECOMMEND THAT PRAYER OF THAT FATHER WHO JESUS SAYS, YOU KNOW, DO YOU BELIEVE I CAN DO THIS? AND HE GOES YES LORD BUT HELP MY UNBELIEF. SO THE FIRST THING, YOU KNOW -- BOY, YOU KNOW, I COULD SEND YOU SOMETHING THERE THAT MIGHT KIND OF GO THROUGH THINGS. BUT MAYBE JUST TO START OFF WITH, IF YOU'RE MORE OF A SCIENTIFICALLY ORIENTED OR INTELLECTUALLY ORIENTED EVIDENCE-SEEKING KIND OF A PERSON, IF I COULD RECOMMEND VERY SELFISHLY HERE THAT YOU GO TO MY FREE WEBSITE CALLED CREDIBLECATHOLIC.COM AND JUST GO TO THAT AND CLICK ON THE 7 ESSENTIAL MODULES AND JUST -- YOU KNOW TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE THINGS. IF YOU WANT ALL THE FOOTNOTES AND EVIDENCE AND ALL OF THE STUDIES, WOULD I DEFINITELY GO TO, AGAIN, CREDIBLECATHOLIC.COM BUT THIS TIME GO TO THE BIG BOOK AND START READING THAT STUFF. THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT NOT ONLY THE EXISTENCE OF A TRANSPHYSICAL SOUL THAT WILL SURVIVE BODILY DEATH BUT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD, THE EXISTENCE OF A CREATION OF OUR UNIVERSE OR ANY MULTIVERSE IN THE FINITE PAST AS WELL AS THE EXISTENCE OF UNCONDITIONED, UNRESTRICTED, UNIQUE CREATOR OF ALL ELSE IN REALTY, WHICH IS ABOUT UNRESTRICTED ACT OF UNDERSTANDING, UNDERSTANDING HIMSELF. THAT WOULD BE A PROOF OF GOD OBVIOUSLY AND THERE'S ALSO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THIS SHOW, HISTORICAL EVIDENCE, SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE FROM THE SHROUD OF TURIN, FOR JESUS CHRIST, AND THAT MIGHT BE A STARTING POINT, JUST TO GET THE EVIDENCE SOLIDLY DOWN. IF YOU WANT THE BOOKS YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE BOOKS. AND CREDIBLECATHOLIC.COM HE HAS A LOT -- IF YOU GO TO THE BIG BOOK IT HAS A LOT OF STUDIES, A LOT OF FOOT NOTES, A LOT OF DIRECT ACCESS TO THE JOURNEYS OF PHYSICS, ET CETERA, YOU CAN GO THERE. SO THAT WOULD BE FIRST THINGS FIRST IS GET YOUR EVIDENCE DOWN SOLIDLY, SO KNOW THE POSITIVE POSITION. DON'T BRING UP THE NEGATIVE BEFORE YOU HAVE STUDIED THE POSITIVE POSITION; RIGHT? DO THE OLD ARISTOTLEION THING. GET YOU POSITIVE EVIDENCE AND POSITIONS SATELLITENNED OUT QUICKLY AND POSITIVELY. THE SECOND THING TO DO IS THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ANTICIPATED BY PEOPLE AND THOSE QUESTIONS, WE ARE NOW FORMING A SERIES ON CREDIBLECATHOLIC.COM AND THEY'RE CALLED THE MOST ASKED QUESTIONS SERIES. THERE'S A HUNDRED OF THOSE MOST ASKED QUESTIONS, AND WE'RE JUST GETTING THE THING PUT INTO PRACTICE BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY GO THERE YOU WILL SEE SOME OF THEM THAT ARE BEING NOW PUT UP ON OUR WEBSITE, CREDIBLECATHOLIC.COM.COM AND YOU CAN GO TO THOSE MOST ASKED QUESTIONS AND THEY'RE LIKE 8 MINUTE VIDEO ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS AND IGNATIUS PRESS RIGHT NOW I'M WRITING A BOOK FOR THEM WITH THE WRITTEN ANSWERS TO THOSE MOST ASKED QUESTIONS SO IT'S A CATECHISM FOR THE CONTEMPORARY SKEPTIC AND IT KIND OF GIVES YOU A -- IT GIVES YOU A LOT OF THE PROBABLE QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT BE ASKING IN YOUR HEAD. THAT WOULD BE IN THE RESOURCE BUT YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE BOOK. I'M STILL IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON THAT, WITH THE SERIES -- THE VIDEO SERIES ASK COMING OUT AND YOU CAN GET ACCESS TO IT THROUGH CREDIBLECATHOLIC.COM. AND THE THIRD AREA THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS WELL IS IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT ARE REALLY JUST DOING YOU, THERE ARE PEOPLE, LIKE YOU CAN GO TO OUR FORUM ON CREDIBLECATHOLIC.COM WHERE YOU CAN GET ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS. THE FORUM -- WE HAVE ONE FORUM THAT IS RESTRICTED FOR TEACHERS AND THAT ONE BASICALLY IS -- IF YOU'RE NOT A TEACHER YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET ON THAT FORUM BUT WE DO HAVE OTHER ONES WHERE YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS AND THOSE QUESTIONS GET CONVEYED TO US. BUT IN GENERAL THOUGH, YOU CAN ASK -- YOU CAN THINK OF THINGS AND THE MOTHER CREATIVE AND INTELLIGENT YOU ARE THE MORE YOU WILL THINK THESE QUESTIONS AND THEY KEEP COMING UP AND COMPOUND ON ONE ANOTHER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AT SOME POINT YOU TO DO DO WHAT IS CALLED FIAT. YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY -- AS JOHN HENRY NEWMAN SAID, RIGHT, YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT POINTS TO GOD AND SHOWS THAT THE EVIDENCE IS IN FAVOR -- EVEN THOUGH I CAN'T ANSWER EVERY SINGLE QUESTION, EVEN THOUGH SOMEBODY HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME ANSWERS TO EVERY SINGLE QUESTION OR I HAVEN'T HEARD THOSE ANSWERS TO EVERY SINGLE QUESTION, THERE'S ENOUGH EVIDENCE OUT THERE FOR GOD AND FOR JESUS FOR ME TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE WHAT IS CALLED AN INFORMAL INFERENCE, THAT IS TO SAY, I LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF CORROBORATIVE EVIDENCE FROM NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCE STUDIES, TERMINAL LUCIDITY STUDIES, PHILOSOPHICAL PROOFS FOR OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD, EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LAST WEEK, THE EVIDENCE FROM GOD FOR PHYSICS, PARTICULARLY FROM THE BORED OF A LENGTHENING PROOF AND OTHER THINGS AND YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU PUT THE WHOLE ALLAY TOGETHER AND NEWMAN SAYS THEY MUTUALLY CORROBORATE ONE ANOTHER AND THEIR ANTECEDENTLY PROBABLE TO BEGIN WITH. WHEN YOU PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, IT GIVES YOU JUST ENOUGH CERTITUDE TO LEAP OVER THERE EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT HAVE A HUNDRED UNANSWERED QUESTIONS STILL, THE EVIDENCE IS SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO SAY I CAN DEFER THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE ANSWER TO EVERY QUESTION. AND FRANKLY WE WON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO EVERY QUESTION. IF WE'RE SMART ENOUGH. THERE WOULD JUST BE AT QUESTIONS AT DINNER UNANSWERABLE UNTIL WE GET TO HEAVEN. BUT THE POINT IS, ONCE THAT INFORMAL INFERENCE HAS OCCURRED THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE TO STEP OVER THE LINE, STOP ALL OF THE BATTERING OF YOURSELF AND GO IN THERE AND MAKE A PROFESSION OF FAITH TO THE LORD, AND THEN TRY TO RE-ENTER THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND START GOING TO CHURCH AGAIN. YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE AS YOU GO TO CHURCH, AS YOU EXPERIENCE THE SACRAMENTS, AS YOU BEGIN TO PRAY, DON'T BORE. YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF INDIVIDUAL INTERIOR EVIDENCE, NOT ONLY FOR GOD BUT GOD'S LOVE OF YOU. AND WHEN THAT BEGINS TO OCCUR, YOU WILL SEE THAT YOUR DOUBTS WILL START BREAKING DOWN. AND A LOT OF -- YOU KNOW, SAINTS HAVE STARTED OFF AS KEPT, INC. I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU, AT BLAKE PASCHAL SAYS AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE HEART HAS REASONS THAT THE MIND KNOWS NOT OF. SO START -- WHEN YOU HAVE THAT EVIDENCE FOUNDATION DONE, MAKE YOUR FIAT. GO BACK TO THE CHURCH. START PRAYING. AND LET YOUR HEART AND GOD MOVES THROUGH YOUR HEART, LET YOUR HEART'S REASONS GET YOU EVEN MORE DEEPLY OVER THE LINE SO YOU CAN SEE THE LOVING HAND OF GOD TRYING TO MOVE YOUR AWAY FROM THE POWERS OF DARKNESS INTO HIS KINGDOM OF LIGHT AND HE DOES THAT MAGNIFICENTLY. >> Doug: VERY GOOD. LET'S GO ON TO IN THE CLOSING MOMENTS MERE WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LAST WEEK IN THE BOOK ITSELF. YOU TALKED ABOUT MYTHOLOGY AND KIND OF HOW PEOPLE DEAL WITH THE DEVIL AND THE OTHER SIDE BEING FASCINATED BY THE OCCULT. AND YOU SAY BOTH GROUPS, ESPECIALLY YOUNG PEOPLE, ARE IN ERROR WHEN THEY DEAL WITH IT THIS WAY. WHY? >> Fr. Spitzer: BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON YOU GO FOR OCCULT ACTIVITY IS TO GO FOR KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU -- YOU KNOW, GOD HASN'T GIVEN YOU. YOU WANT SOME SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE OF SOMEBODY OR SOMETHING THAT THE DEVIL CAN GIVE YOU? YOU SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, I'LL GO FOR THE DEVIL BUT JUST REMEMBER, THE DEVIL HAS HIS PRICE. AND IT'S A WHOLE LOT HIGHER THAN THE WORTH OF ANY KIND OF KNOWLEDGE YOU COULD GET FROM HIM. YOU WANT SOME POWER OVER SOMEBODY? YOU WANT TO CURSE SOMEBODY THROUGH HIS POWER? YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, CAST A SPELL ON SOMEBODY? JUST REMEMBER, THE DEVIL HAS HIS PRICE. THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENS THE MINUTE YOU USE DEMONIC POWER TO TRY AND CURSE SOMEBODY IS PROBABLY GOD WILL PROTECT THAT OTHER PERSON THE MOMENT THAT OTHER PERSON JUST SAYS IN THE NAME OF JESUS BE GONE SATAN, THAT'S THE END OF THAT CURSE. AND WHAT HAPPENS? THE CURSORY DOWNS RIGHT BACK TO THE CURSOR. AND SO ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU'VE GOT A TERRIBLE DEMON THAT YOU HAVE ALLOWED INTERIORLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE ACCEPTED HIS POWER, ACCEPTED HIS GIFT. SO IT'S A HORRIBLE THING TO GO NEAR THE OCCULT. ALL YOU'RE DOING IS OPENING YOURSELF UP TO OBSESSION, OPPRESSION AND POSSESSION BY THE DEVIL, AND PLEASE READ CHAPTER 3 OF MY BOOK -- WHICH SHOWS EXACTLY HOW THIS HAPPENS. ON THE OTHER HAND YOUNG PEOPLE CAN SAY OH, THAT'S THE CARTOON CHARACTER; RIGHT? THAT'S JUST A MEDIEVAL SCRIPT THAT WE HAVE NOW RELEGATED TO A BYGONE AGE, YOU KNOW, AND OF COURSE, THAT, TOO, IS A HUGE MISTAKE BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A TEMPTER AND A DECEIVER AND AN ACCUSER OUT THERE, IF YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF THE DARKNESS THAT HE IS SEDUCING YOU INTO, AND HE IS SEDUCING YOU INTO DARKNESS, BRINGING YOU AS CLOSE AS HE CAN, AND HE IS TRYING TO TEMPT YOU IN EVERY WAY HE CAN TO MOVE AWAY FROM GOD AND TO GO -- HE HAS GOT THE TRUE SECRET TO HAPPINESS. YOU WANT TRUE HAPPINESS, YOU CAN FIND IT IN DRUGS AND SEX AND ALL KINDS OF POWER AND HONORS AND RICHES AND GLORY. YOU CAN GET -- THAT'S TRUE HAPPINESS. AND THE MORE YOU GO FOR IT, THE MORE YOU OPEN YOURSELF UP FOR HIS POSSESSION, FOR HIS WAY OF LIFE, AND EVEN ADDICT YOURSELF TO HIS DISCUSSIONS AND IT GETS HARDER AND HARDER TO TURN. BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS. JESUS CHRIST HAS DEFEATED SATAN. AND NOT ONLY TEE FEET ED SATAN BUT DEFEATED HIM DEFINITIVELY IN HIS PASSION. SO IF YOU TURN ON A DIME ONE DAY AND SAY YOU DIRTY RAT SATAN, I'M TELLING YOU NOW BE GONE IN THE NAME OF JESUS, AND I'M GOING TO BACK TO THE CHURCH. OH, YES, HE WILL TRY AND JUST PUNCH YOU AROUND. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. HE WILL TRY AND SEDUCE YOU BACK. HE WILL TRY AND DISCOURAGE YOU. HE WILL TRY EVERY TRICK UNDER THE SUN, BECAUSE ONCE YOU TURN ON HIM, HE IS GOING TO TURN ON YOU. BUT DON'T YOU WORRY. YOU GO AND DO ONE THING IMMEDIATELY. DO NOT PASS GO. GO TO CONFESSION. JUST GO TO CONFESSION AS FAST AS YOU CAN GET THERE, GET THAT SACRAMENT OF ABSOLUTION AND RECONCILIATION. IT WILL BREAK HIS GRIP, IT WILL BREAK HIS SPELL, START GOING IMMEDIATELY TO DAILY MASS AND RECEIVING HOLY COMMUNION WORTHILY IF YOU CAN GET TO DAILY MASS, IF YOU CAN'T, AS OFTEN AS YOU CAN GET TO MASS AND, OF COURSE, START A PRAYER LIFE WHICH IS ORIENTED TOWARD THE MORAL TEACHING OF JESUS. THE DEVIL CAN HAVE NO POWER OVER YOU IF YOU'RE ORIENTING YOURSELF -- WE MAY NOT SUCCEED. COULD I GET ANGRY AND INSENSITIVE TODAY AND A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS? YES I CAN. I CAN DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS. BUT I'M ORIENTING MYSELF TO CHRIST. I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS. I'M GOING TO SEEK FORGIVENESS WHEN I HAVE DONE THIS. SO THE MAIN THING IS THAT YOU'RE ORIENTING YOURSELF IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THEN OF COURSE IT'S JUST LIKE -- YOU KNOW, YOU ALMOST BECOME IMPERVIOUS TO HIM, AND EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT, YOU KNOW, FALL AND SUBMIT TO TEMPTATION, YOU KNOW, SHE NOT GOING TO GET YOU IN THE LONG HALL. HE CAN'T START TAKING POSSESSION OF YOU. HE CAN'T SEDUCE YOU EVER MORE DEEPLY INTO THE DARKNESS AND INTO THE EMPTINESS. AND THE MAIN THING, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT YOUR FEELINGS OF EMPTINESS AND ALIENATION AND LONELINESS AND GUILTY ARE JUST INCREASING ON A COSMIC LEVEL, YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. YOU HAVE TO A WRONG VIEW OF HAPPINESS. HE IS STARTING TO EXERT HIS POWER. DO NOT FEAR HIM. >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO FEAR HIM. WELL, FEAR WHAT HE COULD DO TO YOU IF YOU KEEP FOLLOWING HIM. OF COURSE FEAR THAT. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, YOU DON'T HAVE TO OBSESSIVELY FEAR HIM. WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS GET TO CONFESSION, GET BACK TO THE CHURCH, GUEST BACK TO THE MORAL TEACHING OF JESUS. AND BE SAFE. BE SAFE WITH GOD IN THE LIGHT WHICH LEADS TO ETERNAL JOY. THAT -- INTO THE DARKNESS BECAUSE THAT COULD LEAD TO ETERNAL DARKNESS. >> OK. NOW YOU WRITE HERE AS WE GET INTO AN OVERVIEW OF THE BOOK IN THE THIRD CHAPTER AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REALITY OF THE SPIRIT, YOU SAY SATAN IS EXCEEDINGLY CRAFTY AND DISGUISED PREFERRING TO REMAIN HIDDEN IN THE LIVES OF ORDINARY PEOPLE SO HIS SCHEMES TO BRING DARKNESS TO THE WORLD WILL GO UNRECOGNIZED. HOW DOES HE GO ABOUT DOING THAT? WORTH; RIGHT? SO THE FIRST TWO ERRORS I JUST TALKED ABOUT, SATAN WILL TRY AND TELL YOU, I'M JUST A MEDIEVAL MYTH, DON'T YOU WORRY, I'M A MERE CARTOON CHARACTER. DON'T YOU WORRY. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE ME OUT THERE, YOU KNOW? IT'S ALL JUST A NEUROSIS, TRULY. DON'T YOU WORRY ABOUT THAT. AND FEAR, BY THE WAY -- FATHER IS REALLY BAD AND YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE FEARFUL AND GUILTY IS BAD. YOU DON'T WANT TO BE GUILTY. JUST GO TO A PSYCHOLOGIST, GET TOMORROW JUSTIFY WHAT YOU'RE FEARFUL AND GUILTY ABOUT, AND HE WILL DO A GOOD JOB FOR YOU. AND, OF COURSE, SO YOU CAN KIND OF JUST BUILD UP A SORT OF LAYERS AND LAYERS THAT PREVENT YOU FROM TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GET EVER MORE CLOSELY TO THE LORD. SO YOU KNOW IN THE MEANTIME THOUGH, WHAT WE HAVE TO SEE IS THAT IS JUST A FEW MYTH; RIGHT? THE TRUE MYTH IS THAT THE DEVIL DOES EXIST AND THE DEVIL HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST CREATOR OF THE MYTH HE DOESN'T EXIST SO WE HAVE TO START LOOKING AT THE EVIDENCE AND THAT'S WHY I GAVE THE EVIDENCE FOR POSSESSIONS IN CHAPTER 3. I WANTED TO SEE PEOPLE OF HIGH REPUTATION, HIGH ACADEMIC CREDENTIALS, HIGH PSYCHIATRIC CREDENTIALS THAT ARE SAYING, HEY, THIS POSSESSION OF ROBBIE MANNHEIM OR JULIA OR WHO EVER, THIS ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE AND HE IS WHAT HAPPENED, HERE IS THE PARANORMAL PHENOMENA. IF YOU THINK THIS IS JUST A STATE OF MIND OR A PERSONALITY DISORDER GONE AWRY OR PSYCHOSIS GONE AWRY, DON'T THINK THAT FOR A SECOND. GENERALLY BEDS AND PEOPLE DON'T LEVITATE RIGHT OFF THE GROUND 8 INCHES AND STAY THERE FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S HAVING A PERSONALITY DISORDER. MOST OF THE TIME CHEST OF DRAWERS AND CHAIRS ARE NOT MOVING ALL OVER THE ROOM, RELICS OF SAINTS ARE NOT BEING SMASHED ABOUT AND SO FORTH, YOU KNOW, BY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T TALK LANGUAGES LIKE LATIN THAT THEY HAVE NEVER STUDIED A SINGLE WORD OF FLUENTLY WHILE THEY'RE UNDER A STATE OF POSSESSION, AND PEOPLE DON'T EXPERIENCE THE TORMENT, YOU KNOW, THE KINDS OF HORRIBLE TORMENT HE SAY THAT TAKE PLACE DURING EVENTS OF POSSESSION. THIS IS NOT NORMAL ACTIVITY. OF PEOPLE AND IT'S NOT JUST A PERSONALITY DISORDER THIS REALLY IS SATAN FULLY MANIFEST. THAT'S WHY I POINT IT OUT. BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY OF TELLING PEOPLE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE DEALING WITH HERE. IF YOU IGNORE YOUR ENEMY, YOU JUST OPEN YOURSELF TO ANY PLACE HE CAN ATTACK YOU. AND SECONDLY, IF YOU BECOME OBSESSED WITH YOUR ENEMY, YOU OPEN YOURSELF TO HIS CONTROL THROUGH YOUR PARTICIPATES IN OCCULT ACTIVITY OR YOU'RE BEING SO FEARFUL OF HIM THAT YOU'RE WORRIED MORE ABOUT HIM THAN YOU ARE ABOUT BEING UNION WITH GOD. SO WE DON'T WANT TO WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT SATAN THAT WE'RE SPENDING ALL OF OUR TIME WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AVOIDING HIM RATHER THAN SPENDING ALL OF OUR TIME, UNITING OURSELVES WITH THE LORD IN PRAYER AND THROUGH THE SACRAMENT OF CONFESS AND THE HOLY EUCHARIST. >> VERY GOOD. AND ON THAT POINT, WE SHALL END IT HERE THIS WEEK. IF YOU WILL GIVE US YOUR BLESSING, FATHER, ON THE WAY OUT OF THE DOOR. >> Fr. Spitzer: BOW YOUR HEADS AND PRAY FOR GOD'S BLESSING. AND MAY THE LORD OF GOODNESS AND LOVE, OF CONCILIATION, THE LORD WHO WISHES FOR US AN ETERNAL LIFE OF JOY AND GOODNESS, MAY THAT SPIRIT OF THAT LORD JUST COME INTO YOUR HEART EVER MORE DEEPLY SO THAT YOU WILL RECOGNIZE YOUR SPIRITUAL ENEMY, HAVE RESOLVE AGAINST YOUR SPIRITUAL ENEMY AND BE LIKE THE SAINTS IN LEADING OTHERS AWAY FROM HIM INTO THE ARMS AND THE HEART OF YOUR LOVING GOD, IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AMEN. >> AMEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FATHER SPITZER. BE WELL. WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT TIME AND INVITE YOU ALL TO CHECK OUT FATHER SPITZER'S BOOKS AVAILABLE ON DVD'S THROUGH OUR EWTN RELIGIOUS CAT LOT. THE LATEST BOOK FEATURED ON OUR SCREEN, "CHRIST VS. SATAN IN OUR DAILY LIVES" THE COSMIC STRUGGLE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT. LOOK FOR A BACK MARK INTERVIEW I DID THIS WEEKEND ON THE CATHOLIC WRITER TODAY AND OTHER ESSAYS, VERY INTERESTING INTERVIEW. AND I WANT TO MENTION THAT TONIGHT WE'VE GOT IF YOU'RE WATCHING US ON WEDNESDAY, EWTN LIVE AT 8:00 P.M. WE HAVE OUR OWN EASTERN TIME FATHER TIM GALLAGHER WILL BE ON THE SHOW WITH FATHER MITCH. THAT'S TONIGHT ON EWTN LIVE. IF YOU'RE WATCHING US LIVE HERE ON WEDNESDAY. IF NOT, LOOK FOR THE RERUNS, JUST LIKE YOU CAN CHECK US OUT ON DEMAND ALL THE TIME ON OUR EWTN WEBSITE. I'M DOUG KECK. >> THIS HAS BEEN FATHER SPITZER'S UNIVERSE. WE SHALL SEE YOU NEXT TIME. [MUSIC]
