[MUSIC] >>Doug: AND WELCOME TO FATHER SPITZER'S UNIVERSE AT THE INTERSECTION OF FAITH AND REASON WHERE WE'RE ALWAYS PRAYING TO YOU, OUR EWTN FAMILY, THE 1ST WEEK OF ADVENT AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE ADVENT SEASON ROLLING INTO THE CHRISTMAS SEASON. I'M DOUG KECK REMINDING YOU HOW IMPORTANT YOU ARE TO THIS PROGRAM. EMAIL US YOUR QUESTIONS, SEND US QUESTION THROUGH FACEBOOK, TWEET US THROUGH TWITTER, AND FOR ALL THINGS RELATED TO FEATS THERE'S THE MAGIS CENTER WEBSITE. HIS KNOWLEDGE CANNOT BE CONTAINED IN ONE WEBSITE. SO THE OTHER WEBSITE IS crediblecatholic.com. TODAY'S TOPIC THE EUCHARISTIC COMMEMORATION IN THE 1ST CENTURY, HOW DID THE OTHER CHURCH DEAL WITH THOSE THINGS. AND SPEAKING OF SOMETHING I THINK IS REALLY WORTH LEARNING ABOUT, WE HAVE -- MOTHER ANGELICA HAS GOT A WONDERFUL SET OF BOOKS. THESE ARE THE BOOK OF THE MONTH FOR EWTN, THE SPIRITUAL WISDOM OF MOTHER ANGELICA BOX SET. ALSO COULDN'T BE CONTAINED IN ONE BOOK BUT CAN BE CONTAINED IN THIS BOX SET SO YOU SHOULD CHECK THAT OUT, EWTN RC IS THE PRAISE TO CHECK THAT OUT. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A WONDERFUL GIFT FOR SOMEBODY YOU LOVE FOR CHRISTMAS COULDN'T BE BETTER THAT BE THIS BOX SET OF MOTHER ANGELICA'S WRITINGS WHICH WERE ALL WRITTEN LONG HAND ON A YELLOW LEGAL PAD SITTING IN FRONT OF THE BLESSED SACRAMENT SO YOU KNOW THE KIND OF INSIGHTS THAT YOU WILL GET BY READING HER WORK, AND AGAIN THROUGH OUR RELIGIOUS CATALOG. WITH THAT BEING SAID WE TURN ONCE AGAIN TO FATHER SPITZER. GREAT TO SEE YOU MY FRIEND. >> GOOD TO SEE YOU, TOO, DOUG. >> SO HOW WAS YOUR THANKSGIVING? >> IT WAS TERRIFIC, AS ALWAYS. I LOVE VISITING MY FAMILY. >> RIGHT. EXACTLY. AND WE HOPE FOR ALL OF OUR EWTN FAMILIES SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO KICK US OFF WITH A PRAYER THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT AMEN. HEAVENLY FATHER WE GIVE YOU THANKS FOR YOUR MANY BLESSINGS TO US, PARTICULARLY THE BLESSING OF THIS MINISTRY, AND ASK THE LORD -- I ASK YOU LORD TO BLESS US IN OUR MINISTRY, INSPIRING US, PROTECTING US AND GUIDING US SO THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE DO WILL BE BROUGHT TO FRUITION IN YOUR WILL FOR THE GOOD OF YOUR PEOPLE, YOUR CHURCH AND YOUR KINGDOM. WE ASK THIS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD, AMEN. AND MARY, SEAT OF WISDOM, PRAY FOR US. >> THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. AMEN. >> AMEN. >> SO, FATHER, WE'RE HERE IN THE 1ST WEEK OF ADVENT. AND LET ME ASK YOU, A LOT OF TIMES IN THE WORLD WE'RE LIVING IN TODAY, HEAVY COMMERCIALIZATION, WE ALL TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE PLAYING CHRISTMAS MUSIC THE DAY AFTER HALLOWEEN IF THEY WAIT THAT LONG AT THIS POINT IN TIME. WE SEE THAT PAGE. HOW DOES -- WE SEE THAT HAPPENING. HOW DOES SOMEBODY TRY TO KEEP THAT ADVENT ASPECT OF THE NEXT FOUR WEEKS BASICALLY LEADING UP TO CHRISTMAS WITHOUT JUST SLIDING RIGHT I WANT TO THE CHRISTMAS SEASON? WELL, YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT YOU ALMOST HAVE TO SLIDE INTO THE CHRISTMAS SEASON BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE LITTLE PROBLEM OF CHRISTMAS CARDS AND YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO PICK UP A FEW THINGS FOR PEOPLE. SO I TRY TO JUST FOCUS ON THE RELIGIOUS PART OF CHRISTMAS AND FOCUS PARTICULARLY IN MY MORNING PRAYER AND, YOU KNOW, ON -- WE HAVE WHAT IS CALLED A BREATHEIARY AND REALLY APPROPRIATE TO THE ADVENT SEEN, THE BOOK OF READINGS ARE REALLY DIRECTED AT ADVENT. AND THEN OF COURSE IF YOU GO TO DAILY MASS, AND CERTAINLY SUNDAY MASS, ALL OF THE READINGS AND AGAIN THE HOMILY FREQUENTLY ENOUGH IS GEARED TOWARD ADVENT, AND SO I JUST HAVE A VERY NATURAL PROCLIVITY TO DO IT AS A PRIEST. THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE A BREATHEIARY HAVE A TOUGHER TIME KEEPING FOCUSED BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE LITURGY ALONE AND IF YOU DON'T GO TO DAILY MASS IT'S A LITTLE HARDER. BUT I WOULD SAY JUST BE INTENTIONAL. AND IF YOU GET THIS, THERE'S A LITTLE BOOK CALLED THE MAGNIFICAT, AND YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE TOIST. IF YOU SUBSCRIBE TO THAT THEY REALLY DO HAVE ALL OF THE ADVENT ANTIPHONIES IN THERE AND SPECIAL ADVENT READINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT COULD REALLY HELP YOU TO KEEP FOCUSED ON THE 16. YOU CAN ALSO GET SOME OF THESE THINGS FROM THE USCCB WEBSITE. THERE'S GOOD MEDITATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AS WELL. SO YOU JUST HAVE TO BE INTENTIONAL AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR IT BUT THERE ARE REALLY GOOD REFLECTIONS ON THE WEBSITE. I THINK 29 ALSO HAS GOOD REFLECTIONS. >> WE HAVE THE NEW BOOK THAT WE JUST CAME OUT WITH THAT HAS TO DO WITH GOING THROUGH ADVENT OF COURSE AND THE MAGNIFICAT THROUGH OUR RELIGIOUS CATALOG AS WELL. >> PERFECT. THAT WOULD BE THE PERFECT SOLUTION. >> LET ME ASK YOU -- YOU -- AND YOU ALWAYS TALK ABOUT YOUR MOM OBVIOUSLY HAVING A BIG IMPACT, IT SEEMS, ON YOUR UP BRINGING AS A CATHOLIC. WHAT ABOUT WAS THE ADVENT WREATH AN IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR FAMILY? WAS THAT ONE OF THE PRACTICES THAT YOU DID? >> WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE -- WE HAD THE ADVENT WREATH AT CHURCH OF COURSE BUT WE DIDN'T DO IT AT HOME. WHAT WE HAD WERE THESE LITTLE DUTCH ADVENT CALENDARS. SO YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, OR EVERY EVENING WHEN MY FATHER CAME IN TO TUCK US IN TO BED, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD OPEN ANOTHER DOOR, AND THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE DOOR SOMETHING THAT REMINDED YOU OF ADVENT. AND IT WAS GENERALLY PARTICULAR TO THE RELIGIOUS SEPARATION OF ADVENT. ON OCCASION THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT SO MUCH RELIGIOUS. BUT BY IN LARGE IT HAD A RELIGIOUS SIGNIFICANCE TO IT. SO I DON'T KNOW FOR WHATEVER REASON WE GOT ALL EXCITED ABOUT THE OPENING OF THE NEXT LITTLE DOOR THERE ON THE CALENDAR AND WHAT WAS THE SURPRISE BEHIND IT. AND IT WOULD GENERALLY BE SOMETHING RELIGIOUS, SOMETHING THAT WOULD REMIND US OF ADVENT, AND THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE DID. SO -- >> WE TEND TO HAVE THE ONE WITH THE CHOCOLATE BEHIND THE DOOR WHICH WAS ALSO ALONG WITH THE REGULAR CHOCOLATE TREAT THERE AT THE SAME TIME. BUT IT IS A NEAT WAY TO KEEP YOUR KIDS FOCUSED ON ADVENT AS WELL. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME QUESTIONS THEY FIGURED BEFORE WE GET INTO THE TOPIC OF EUCHARISTIC COMMEMORATION FROM THE 1ST CENTURY. HERE IS A QUESTION WE DIDN'T GET TO IN THE OTHER PROGRAM. DEAR DAUGHTER I DID SOME THINGS YEARS AGO THAT I'M ASHAMED OF AND IT'S STRONG AND SOMETIMES DEBILITATING. COULD PART OF IT BE THE DEVIL FROM REMINDING ME WHAT I DID IN ORDER TO KEEP ME AWAY FROM GOD? MIKE FROM TORONTO. >> MIKE I HAVE TO TELL YOU, JUST ABOUT EVERY SAINT WENT THROUGH WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH. EVEN THOUGH THE SAINTS RECOGNIZED THE DEFINITIVE POWER OF ABSOLUTION IN THE SACRAMENT OF RECONCILIATION, THEY ALSO HAD THIS DIFFICULTY OF RELIVING THESE THINGS AGAIN AND AGAIN. AS AS YOU GROW IN YOUR SPIRITUAL LIFE AND AS YOU GROW EVER CLOSINGER TO THE LORD, YOU FEEL WORSE ABOUT YOUR SINCE OVER THE COURSE OF TIME. YOU REALLY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW BAD IT WAS WHEN YOU WERE COMMITTING THEM AND THEY BE ALL OF A SUDDEN THE CLOSER YOU GROW TO OUR LORD AND TO HIS BLESSED MOTHER, THE MORE AND MORE IT KIND OF INTENSIFIES, OH, MY GOSH, WHAT DID I DO? I HAVE GONE THROUGH IT MYSELF. NOW YOU KNOW THERE ARE TWO-WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS. I COUNT IT AS A BLESSING UP TO THAT POINT; RIGHT? SO WHEN I FEEL THAT SENSE OF OH, MY GOSH -- IT REALLY WAS MUCH WORSE THAN I THOUGHT, WHAT HAVE I DONE? DID I UNDERMINE THE KINGDOM OF GOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WAY BACK WHEN, EVEN IF IT WAS 30 YEARS AGO I SOMETHING REMEMBER SOMETHING THAT WAS COLOSSALLY DUMB. THEN YOU REALLY HAVE SOME GUILTY THERE. BUT THE POINT IS, WHEN YOU CROSS THAT LINE, FROM JUST SAYING OH, MY GOSH NOW I KNOW HOW SERIOUS THIS WAS, LORD I'M SO SORRY, THAT'S NOT BAD. BECAUSE YOU REALLY DO FEEL THAT CONTRITION AGAIN. YOU REALLY DO WANT TO TELL THE LORD, YOU DIDN'T MEAN IT, YOU DIDN'T KNOW HOW SERIOUS THIS WAS. AND JUST RUN INTO INTO HIS ARMS. THAT'S WHAT I DO. I JUST LITERALLY SAY, LORD, I'M JUST RUNNING INTO YOUR ARMS HERE, JUST HOLD ME. AND I DO THAT. I LITERALLY DO THAT AND SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE THE LORD IS TAKING ME AND HOLDING ME WHAT I'M DOING THAT. THAT'S ONE THING AND THAT'S OKAY AND THAT'S HEALTHY, MIKE. WHAT'S NOT HEALTHY IS WHEN YOU CROSS THE LINE AND SAY SOMETHING LIKE I CAN NEVER FORGIVE MYSELF. OR INSTEAD OF RUNNING INTO THE ARMS OF CHRIST WHOSE KIND OF HOLDING YOU AND JUST SAYING DON'T WORRY, I'M TAKING CARE OF IT, I HAVE TAKEN CARE OF IT, YOU KNOW I WANT YOU NOW TO GO INTO THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT VIEW OF GOD OR JESUS HOLDING YOU, INSTEAD MAYBE YOU HAVE A VIEW OF GOD THAT GOES SOMETHING LIKE, YEAH,, YOU REALLY DIDN'T KNOW HOW BAD IT WAS AND IT WAS REALLY BAD. AND QUITE FRANKLY YOU'RE ON THE BORDERLINE OF BEING UNFORGIVABLE. SO ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU START HAVING THIS NOTION OF GOD AS AN OGRE WHO IS JUST, INSTEAD OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, I FORGIVE YOU, I AM SUPPORTING YOU, I WANT YOU TO GO INTO THE FUTURE, YOU HAVE A VIEW OF GOD WHO IS JUST LORDING IT OVER YOU AND SAYING YOU DID NOT FEEL AS GUILTY AS YOU SHOULD HAVE FELT THE 1ST TIME AROUND SO TAKE SOME OF THIF GOD, THAT, AS YOU CORRECTLY POINTED OUT, MICHAEL, IS THE DEVIL, AND HE COMES AS THE ACCUSER. HE COMES TO SEPARATE YOU FROM GOD. HE WANTS TO MAKE YOU FEEL SO ASHAMED AND SO GUILTY THAT YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY TURN TO GOD AND FACE HIM. IF YOU HAVE GOT THAT VIEW WHAT I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO DO IS TRUST ME. JUST SAY TO THE LORD, I WOULD LIKE TO RUN RIGHT INTO YOUR ARMS AND PLEASE HOLD ME. I CAN'T JUSTIFY MYSELF. YOU JUSTIFY ME. AND SO AT THAT JUNCTURE JUST RUN INTO HIS ARMS AND LET HIM HOLD YOU. THAT'S WHAT I DO BECAUSE I CANNOT JUSTIFY MYSELF. AND THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN AND YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL SINCERE REGRET ON DEEPER AND DEEPER LEVELS AS YOU GROW CLOSER TO THE LORD. IT JUST CAN'T BE -- THAT'S PART OF THE NATURAL MATURATION IN THE SPIRITUAL LIFE. SO JUST DO THAT -- FORCE YOURSELF TO DO THAT AND DON'T WORRY. ONE OF THESE DAYS AS WERE YOU RUNNING INTO THE ARMS OF THE LORD, MAYBE IMMEDIATELY YOU'RE GOING TO SENSE THAT THE LORD IS HOLDING YOU JUST LIKE THAT BEAUTIFUL REMBRANDT PAINTING. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER SAW THAT BEFORE BUT IT WAS -- THE PRODIGAL SON OF REMBRANDT, AND THE LOOK ON THE FATHER'S FACE AS HE IS HOLDING THIS BOY, RIGHT, NOW JUST REMEMBER, THAT BOY HAS DONE EVERYTHING BAD. I MEAN HE BETRAYED HIS COUNTRY, BETRAYED HIS FAMILY, BETRAYED THE TORAH, BETRAYED GOD, LIVED WITH THE PIGS, RITUALLY IMPURE -- FROM ANY VANTAGE POINT OF 1ST CENTURY JUDAISM HE'S A TOTAL LOSS. BUT NOT TO THE FATHER. THE FATHER -- LOOK AT THAT REMBRANDT PAINTING AND JUST STUDY IT. IT'S CALLED REMBRANDT'S PRODIGAL SON. LOOK AT THE FATHER'S EYE COMPETENCE LOOK AT HIS HANDS GRIPPING HIS BOY, AND HE'S GOT HIM BACK NOW AND HE'S JUST HOLDING HIM, GRIPPING HIM ALMOST, YOU KNOW WITH HIS MASCULINE HAND AND THIS GENTLE FEMININE HAND INTENTIONALLY PAINTED BY REMBRANDT RUN INTO THE ARMS OF THAT GOD WITH THAT FACE WHO IS JUST IN COMPLETE JOY THAT HIS SON IS BACK. THAT'S YOU. YOU COULDN'T BE ANY WORSE THAN THE PRODIGAL SON, I ASSURE YOU. THE PRODIGAL SON WAS PRETTY MUCH A TOTAL LOSS IN TERMS OF EVERYTHING YOU COULD DO BAD IN 1ST CENTURY JUDAISM. >> IT'S INTERESTING TOO THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE THAT'S THE PAINTING ON THE SET OF THE JOURNEY "AT HOME WITH JIM & JOY" AND IT HAS BEEN FOR MANY YEARS. HE ACTUALLY REQUESTED THAT WE HAVE THAT TO REFLECT AS WELL ABOUT THE CONTINUING JOURNEY PEOPLE ARE ON INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THE OTHER THING I WAS THINKING ABOUT, AND I QUOTED YOU MANY TIMES, HOPEFULLY WITHOUT ASSIGNATION -- OR WITH ASSIGNATION, BUT IT'S WHO ARE YOU LISTENING TO, AND YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR OWN PRIESTHOOD AND ALL OF THAT, WHO ARE YOU LISTENING TO? IF YOU'RE BEING BROUGHT DOWN OR TORN DOWN THAT'S NOT GOD. >> THAT'S RIGHT. THAT LITTLE INCIDENT, THE STORY I TOLD ABOUT MY PROVINCIAL, I HAD JUST GOTTEN THE WORD I HAD A SERIOUS EYE PROBLEM. AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW AM I GOING TO TELL MY PROVINCIAL, SIX MONTHS BEFORE I GO, I'M DAMAGED GOODS? THIS IS WATT I'M THINKING. THE WORDS DAMAGED GOODS THAT'S NOT GOD'S WORDS. THAT'S THE DEVIL'S WORDS. BUT I HAD FULLY APPROPRIATED THE DEVIL'S RHETORIC AT THAT POINT. SO I'M THINKING TO MYSELF, I HAD BETTER TELL HIM. AND IT SO HAPPENS I RUN INTO THE PROVINCIAL AS I'M WALKING DOWN THE CORRIDOR BECAUSE I'M BACK IN THE UNITED STATES FROM ROME TRYING TO GO TO A RETINAL SPECIALIST. AND HE SAYS, BOB SPENCER WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE. AND I SAID I HAVE THIS PROBLEM. HE SAYS DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT? AND I SAID YES, I DO. SO I COME INTO HIS OFFICE AND I'M TELLING HIM -- TOM, I SAID I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. SO I SAID I'M DAMAGED GOODS NOW AND I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A REAL DEYEN ACTIVE CONDITION AND IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE AS TIME GOES ON. I MAY EVEN GO BLIND AS I GET INTO MY '60S. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW -- AND HE IS LISTENING TO THIS AND HE GOES -- WHAT SPIRIT ARE YOU LISTENING TO? BECAUSE I WAS BUS TELLING HIM, NOW IF YOU WANT TO LET ME GO RIGHT NOW AT SIX MONTHS BEFORE ORDINATION YOU HAVE TIME. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, DAMAGED GOODS, ET CETERA. SO I'M GOING THROUGH THIS AND TOM IS JUST LOOKING IN COMPLETE SHOCK LIKE, WHAT SPIRIT ARE YOU LISTENING TO? AND THAT'S THE QUESTION WE ALL HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES. AS YOU PUT IT SO BEAUTIFULLY, DOUG, IF THE RHETORIC IS TEARING YOU DOWN, IT IS NOT JESUS, IT'S NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT. IT IS ANOTHER SPIRIT. AND THAT SPIRIT IS EVIL INDEED AND HIS WHOLE DESIRE, THAT EVIL SPIRIT'S DESIRE IS TO BASICALLY GET YOU TO SEPARATE FROM GOD, DISTRUST GOD AND, ABOVE ALL, RUN FROM GOD. AND I ALMOST SUBMITTED TO PURE STUPIDITY. I DIDN'T EVEN LISTEN TO, YOU KNOW, GOOD SPIRITUAL DIRECTION ADVICE FROM SAINT IGNATIUS OF LOYOLA. >> HERE IS ANOTHER QUESTION. DEAR FATHER CONSPIRACY I READ A CATHOLIC BOOK ON HEAVEN THAT SAID ALL PEOPLE ENTERING HEAVEN WILL BECOME 33 YEARS OF OLD, THE AGE OF JESUS AT HIS DEATH. HOW IS THIS INFORMATION DETERMINED? WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF BECOMING 33 YEARS OLD? >> WELL, THERE'S NO DOCTRINE ABOUT THAT, JOE. HAVE TO TELL YOU. I WOULD SAY THIS, IN MANY NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCE STUDIES, WHEN, FOR EXAMPLE, BOTH LITTLE KIDS OR WHEN ADULTS WIND UP GOING TO THE OTHER SIDE AND THEY EITHER MEET DECEASED RELATIVES OR DECEASED FRIENDS, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, FREQUENTLY THOSE DECEASED RELATIVES AND FRIENDS DO LOOK LIKE THEY'RE ABOUT 30 YEARS OLD. SO IT SEEMS TO ME -- THERE IS SOME TRUTH TO THAT, THEY DO SEEM TO HAVE A VERY YOUNG LOOK. THIS HAPPENS A LOT WITH, LIKE, LITTLE KIDS WHO -- WHEN THEY'RE ASKED WHO MET YOU? WELL IT WAS MY GRANDFATHER. WELL YOUR GRANDFATHER DIED BEFORE YOU WERE BORN. I KNOW. THEY SAY DID HE LOOK LIKE THIS AND SHOW HIM THE PICTURE OF THE OLD ARE GRANDFATHER. AND HE GOES, NO,, NO,, THAT'S NOT HIM. AND THEY SHOW HIM ANOTHER PICTURE AND ANOTHER PICTURE AND FINALLY THEY TAKE OUT THE WAR PICTURE WHEN HE WAS 25 YEARS OLD OR ZERO YEARS OLD, DID HE LOOK LIKE THAT? YEAH,, THAT'S EXACTLY HOW HE LOOKED. THAT HAPPENS SO OFTEN IT'S UNBELIEVABLE IN THESE NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES. SO MAYBE SOMEBODY INFERRED FROM NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN AND PEOPLE LOOK LIKE THEY WERE WHEN THINK WERE IN THEIR LATE 20s OR 30S BUT AT THE AGE OF 33, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD POSSIBLY IDENTIFY THAT. >> AND TYING THAT INTO OUR LORD. >> BUT ALAS HAVE TO TELL TELL YOU I DON'T THINK -- THAT'S NOT DOCTRINE AND THE AGE OF 33 IS NOT PART OF NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES BUT THE THOUGHT OF MEME GETTING YOUNGER IN THE NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCE YES THEY ABSOLUTELY DO. I DON'T WANT TO SAY ABSOLUTELY BUT I DO. >> ANOTHER QUESTION: DEEPER FATHER SPITZER WOULD MY PRAYERS FOR A DECEASED LOVED ONE BE WASTED IF THAT PERSON HEAVEN FOR BID CONDEMNED TO HELL? DO YOU THINK IT'S SOMEONE IN HELL COULD STILL GO TO HEAVEN? GOD BLESS BOTH OF YOU. RON FROM PITTSBURGH PENNSYLVANIA. >> WELL, RON, LET ME ANSWER THE 2ND QUESTION 1ST. IF SOMEBODY IS IN HELL, THEN THEY HAVE MADE A DEFINITIVE CHOICE TO EXCLUDE THEMSELVES FROM GOD, FROM THE KINGDOM OF LOVE, AND FROM THE BLESSED. NOW THAT DEFINITIVE CHOICE IS A FOREVER CHOICE. SOMETIMES YOU HEAR THAT SOME THEY DO INDICATED THAT THE DEVIL WHO -- THE THEOLOGIAN WHO SHEDS THE 1ST TEAR WOULD BE IN HEAVEN . THAT WOULD BE THE CASE IF A DEVIL WOULD SHED A TEAR BUT THE DEVIL WOULDN'T BE IN HELL IF HE COULD OR WOULD SHED A TEAR. SO THE POINT IS, THAT, NO,, HELL IS ETERNAL AND THERE'S NO TURNING BACK FROM IT. IT'S THE DEFINITIVE POSITION OF THE PERSON WHO CHOOSES TO EXCLUDE HIMSELF FROM GOD THE BLESSED AND THE KINGDOM OF LOVE. NOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE 2ND THING, IT'S NEVER A WASTE TO PRAY FOR ANYBODY. BECAUSE WHO KNOWS YOU? YOU SHOULD NEVER THINK ABOUT IT THAT WAY. REMEMBER GOD CAN GIVE -- WITH RESPECT TO THE CURACAO OF ARS, THIS PERSON JUMPS OFF OF A BRIDGE. AND ON THE WAY DOWN, HAVING COMMITTED SUICIDE, HE IS GIVEN THIS ABILITY TO AGAIN ACTIVELY CHOOSE THIS. IF IT'S AN HOUR, BUT SOMEHOW HIS BRAIN OR HIS MIND IS OPERATING SO QUICKLY THAT HE IS ABLE TO APPREHEND HE IS BEAK GIVEN A CHANCE BY GOD TO REPENT OF THIS OR NOT AND HE CHOSE TO REPENT OF THAT ACTION SO THE CURIA OF ARS REPORTED BACK HE HAD A VISION OF CHRIST WITH THIS MAN AND JUST SAID HE IS OKAY. HE WAS GIVEN THE ABILITY TO CHOOSE ON THE WAY DOWN AS HE WAS JUMPING OFF THIS BRIDGE TO REPENT OF THAT ACTION. SO MAYBE IT WAS THE PRAYERS OF SOMEBODY WHO LOVED HIM VERY MUCH. MAYBE IT WAS ALL OF THE SAINTS IN HEAVEN PRAYING FOR HIM ON THE WAY DOWN? MAYBE IT WAS THE PURE UNCONDITIONAL HEART OF GOD THAT GAVE HIM THE CHANCE TO REPENT OF THAT ACTION ON THE WAY DOWN? WE DON'T KNOW. BUT WE DO KNOW ONE THING. NO PRAYER IS WASTED. SO IF YOU PRAY NOW, GOD WILL HEAR YOU, EVEN IF YOU DON'T PRAY NOW, GOD WILL STILL EXERCISE HIS UNCONDITIONAL MERCY AND MAYBE GIVE PEOPLE THAT CHANCE ESPECIALLY IF THEY DID IT IN A MOMENT OF DESPAIR. WE DON'T KNOW. BUT THE POINT IS NO PRAYER IS GOING TO BE WASTED. BUT HELL IT IS DEFINITELY ETERNAL AND HELL IS ETERNAL AND PURGATORY IS BUT FOR A WHILE. >> HERE IS ANOTHER QUESTION, A QUICK ONE. DEAR FATHER SPITZER: IS SOMETHING THAT ILLEGAL ALWAYS A SIN? GOD BLESS YOU AND ALL YOU DO, SAMANTHA. THIS MUST BE AN AMERICAN. THIS IS OUR PERSPECTIVE, I THINK. >> WELL, ACTUALLY, NO. IT'S NOT. I MEAN MOST OF THE TIME ILLEGAL THINGS ARE UNETHICAL THINGS BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF THINGS THAT MAY BE ILLEGAL THAT ARE NOT SINFUL. FOR EXAMPLE THERE ARE A LOT OF TRAFFIC LAWS. SO LET'S SUPPOSE I'M GOING TO LOOK AROUND -- I'M IN A RURAL STOP SIGN AND THERE'S NO ONE MORE MILES AND I SORT OF DO A CALIFORNIA STOP WHICH MEANS I COME SLOWLY INTO THE STOP THERE AND PROCEED ON THROUGH AND CONTINUE TO ROLL ON THROUGH, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES THAT'S NOT A SIN, IF HAVE YOU PRUDENTLY JUDGED THAT THERE'S NO ONE WHO COULD POSSIBLY INJURE AND ET CETERA. AND THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE TRUE. BUT MOST OF THE TIME LAWS ARE LINKED TO ETHICS AND ETHICS IS LINKED TO MORALITY. AND YOU CAN TRACE IT THERE. BUT NOT EVERYTHING THAT'S ILLEGAL IS A SIN. >> WOULD YOU SAY MAYBE SOMETIME IN THE PAST, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF LET'S SAY THE CHRISTIAN SOCIETY IN THE UNITED STATES OVER THE YEARS THAT IN A LOT OF WAYS A LOT OF THINGS WERE LINED UP IN PEOPLE'S MINDS THAT IF SOMETHING WAS REALLY A SIN IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL AND NOW WE TEND TO HAVE MANY MORE THINGS THAT THE CHURCH WOULD SAY WELL THIS IS A SIN BUT IT'S PERFECTLY LEGAL. AND PEOPLE GET CONFUSED OVER HOW IT COULD REALLY BE BAD IF IT'S LEGAL. >> YEAH,, THE OPPOSITE COULD CERTAINLY BE THE CASE. THERE WAS A GREAT PHRASE THAT WAS ONCE NOTED WHAT BECOMES LEGAL BECOMES NORMATIVE AND WHAT BECOMES NORMATIVE BECOMES MORAL. SO PEOPLE THINK, WELL, BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS DOING IT, IT'S MORAL. AND THE OPPOSITE THAT WAS ASKED IS PROBLEMATIC IN OUR CULTURE BECAUSE WE DO THINK, IF NOT ILLEGAL, THEN NOT IMMORAL. AND THAT'S A LOGICAL FALLACY CALLED NEGATING THE ANTECEDENT. SO YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAY IF LEGAL, YOU KNOW, WELL YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE ILLEGAL -- IF LEGAL OR IF NOT ILLEGAL IF NOT IMMORAL BUT YOU CAN'T SAY THAT. >> BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE SOME CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION WHERE SOMEONE MIGHT PROTEST SOMETHING THAT CLEARLY IS LIKE AN ABORTION OR SOME OTHER CASES LIKE THAT. >> SURE. YEAH. SO FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY -- BOTH SIDES OF THE' EQUATION ARE WRONG. YOU CAN'T MAKE A COMPLETE EQUALITY. BUT MOST OF THE TIME YOU CAN SAY THAT ILLEGAL THINGS PROBABLY ARE LINKED TO UNETHICAL ONCE AND UNETHICAL ARE LINKED TO IMMORAL ONES BUT BY NO MEANS ALL THE TIME. AND CERTAINLY IF THINGS ARE NOT ILLEGAL IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE NOT IMMORAL BECAUSE THAT WOULD EQUATE ALL ETHICS OR REDUCE ALL ETHICS TO THE LAW AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE, CERTAINLY IN THE AREA OF ABORTION. >> WE GET THIS QUESTION EVERY WEEK BUT FINALLY DECIDED TO USES IT. HI FATHER SPITZER. SINCE MANY OF THE ANSWERS YOU PROVIDE ARE EXTRAORDINARY THERE'S NO PLACE YOU COULD HAVE READ TO FIND THOSE ANSWERS, HOW OR WHERE DO YOU GO TO GAIN YOUR KNOWLEDGE? THANKS, RUSSELL. >> WELL, RUSSELL I READ A LOT OF STUFF. I DON'T -- I DON'T READ IT. YOU KNOW I HAVE TO LISTEN TO IT BY VARIOUS SOURCES TODAY. BUT I USED TO READ A LOT OF STUFF. AND THAT'S ONE METHOD WHERE I GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION. BUT A LOT OF IT, I JUST -- YOU KNOW WHEN I WRITE MY BOOKS I'M TRYING TO RESOLVE CONTEMPORARY PROBLEMS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN RESOLVED HITHER TO SO I DO TRY TO MAKE DEDUCTIVE ARGUMENTS USING THE BEST SCIENCE AND USING THE BEST PHILOSOPHY AND THE BEST STATISTICS THAT I CAN GET AHOLD OF. SO SOMETIMES YOU KNOW THERE REALLY ISN'T A PAST ANSWER AND YOU CAN -- YOU REALLY HAVE TO DERIVE IT YOURSELF USING GOOD RESEARCH AND I LIKE. SOMETIMES THERE REALLY IS A GOOD ANSWER AND YOU CAN JUST HAPPEN UPON IT BY DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH AND YOU KNOW, I GOT -- YOU KNOW I GREW UP IN A FAMILY WHERE I -- MY FATHER HAD A LIBRARY, I MEAN LITERALLY I COULD THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN THERE DIDN'T AND HE FEELS SHELVES AND SHELVES OF BOOKS AND I CAN EVEN PLUCK BOOK OFF THE SHELF THAT WAS ABOUT HOW TO BUILD A RADIO, AND THE NEXT BOOK, HOW TO ESTABLISH A PRIMA FACIE CASE. I MEAN I'M NOT KIDDING YOU. WE HAD EVERYTHING IN THAT DARNED LIBRARY. AND I WAS A READER SO I WAS PLUCKING BOOKS FROM THE LIBRARY, PLUCKING BOOKS FROM MY FATHER'S LIBRARY AND THE SCHOOL LIBRARY AND -- BUT OF COURSE MY THEOLOGICAL STUDIES, THE JESUITS HELPED ME, THEY PROMOTED GREAT EDUCATION AND GAVE ME THE TIME TO DO THE READING AND THE RESEARCH I NEEDED TO DO. SO IT'S JUST WHERE I GOT THE ANSWERS. >> MY FAVORITE AUTHOR GROWING UP WAS CLIFF NOTES, YOU REMEMBER HIM? HE WAS VERY POPULAR IN HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE. I FOUND HIS WORK TO BE HIGHLY SATISFACTORY FOR ME. HERE IS ONE MORE QUESTION BEFORE WE GO TO THE BREAK. HELLO FATHER AND DOUG. ON A PREVIOUS SHOW YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE YOUNG PEOPLE NOT BELIEVING IN GOD LARGELY DUE TO SCIENCE BUT THERE ARE ALSO VERY LITTLE UNDERSTANDING OF THE TRANSCENDENT AND SUPERNATURAL. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IS ONE OF THE ROOT CAUSES AS WELL, WITHOUT A SUPERNATURAL UNDERSTANDING THE CHURCH IS REDUCED TO JUST ONE OF THE. BELIEF SYSTEMS IN THE WORLD? THANK YOU BECAUSE THIS IS FROM GUY. >> GUY, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THERE IS WHAT WE CALL A REDUCTIONISTIC TENDENCY IN THIS CULTURE THAT SCIENCE HAS ALL OF THE ANSWERS, AND, LIKE, PHILOSOPHY OR THEOLOGY OR SPIRITUAL, OR WHATEVER DOES NOT HAVE ALL OF THE ANSWERS. AND BY THE WAY, THEY RELEGATE POETRY AND LITERATURE TO THE SAME BIN OF USELESS SUBJECTS OFTENTIMES. BUT LISTEN TO THIS QUITE CLOSERY. SIGNTISM WHICH IS THE REDUCTION OF ALL VALID TRUTH TO SCIENCE IS, ITSELF, A CONTRADICTION. IT LITERALLY IS A SELF REFUTING ARGUMENT. NOW,, RECALL, THAT -- HERE IS WHAT SIGNTISM HOLDS. ALL VALID TRUTHS MUST BE VALIDATABLE OR FALSIFIABLE BY OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE AND SCIENTIFIC METHOD. OKAY? LISTEN TO THAT WORD "ALL." ALL VALID TRUTHS. NOW, A SCIENTIFIC TRUTH CAN NEVER REACH A UNIVERSE STATUS LIKE "ALL" OR "EVERY" OR "NONE." IT CAN NEVER DO THAT BECAUSE ALL SCIENCE, AS I JUST SAID IS REDUCIBLE TO OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE AND SCIENTIFIC METHOD, AND THAT PERTAINS ALWAYS, EVERY OBSERVATION I MAKE, EVERY SENSORY AND PERCEPTION THAT I HAVE IS IN A PARTICULAR PLACE AND A PARTICULAR TIME. I CAN NEVER GET TO A UNIVERSAL STATEMENT LIKE "ALL" OR "EVERY" IN SCIENCE. NOW, LISTEN TO THIS STATEMENT ONCE AGAIN. ALL VALID TRUTHS MUST BE EITHER VALIDATABLE OR FALSIFIABLE BY SCIENCE. THAT PROPOSITION WITH ITS "ALL" IS NOT VALIDATABLE BY SCIENCE, WHICH CAN ONLY ARRIVE AT PARTICULAR TRUTHS AT PARTICULAR TIMES AND PARTICULAR PLACES. THAT STATEMENT IS SELF REFUTING. IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE ONLY VALIDATABLE TRUTH IS A SCIENTIFIC PROOF WELL THAT TRUTH YOU JUST SAID IS NOT SCIENTIFICALLY VALIDATABLE OR FALSIFIABLE. THEREFORE, IT'S NOT VALID. YOUR OWN CRITERION FOR SIGNTISM REFUTES ITSELF. THAT IS REALLY NOTE WORTHY, GUYS. 1ST OF ALL YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, SCIENTIFIC REDUCTIONISM IS NOT ONLY SELF REFUTING AND A CONTRADICTION BUT IT ALSO IGNORES HALF OF WHAT WE KNOW FOB THE CASE. SCIENCE CAN GO RIGHT AFTER THE BEST TRUTHS FROM OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE WE CAN GET. BUT YOU KNOW MATHEMATICS IS NOT DERIVED FROM OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE. MATHEMATICS IS DERIVED FROM THEORETICAL EVIDENCE. WE CALL IT APRIOR EYE EVIDENCE THAT IS GENERATED FROM PUTTING TOGETHER A SERIES OF AXIOMS AND THEOREMS THROUGH MATHEMATICAL PROPOSITIONS. WE CALL THAT APRIORI TRUTH. THE METHODOLOGICAL SCIENTIFIC PROOFS ARE NOT GROUNDABLE IN OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE. AGAIN THEY'RE APRIORI KNOWLEDGE. SOME METAPHYSICAL TRUTHS WITH RESPECT TO TRUTH FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD CAN HAVE A PROOF IN IT THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MULTIPLICITY OF ANYTHING, YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT -- THE MEMBERS OF THAT MULTIPLICITY. NOW THAT'S -- YOU CAN PROVE THAT BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MEMBERS OF THESE -- YOU KNOW OF THIS GROUP OF OBJECTS THEN IT'S THE SELF SAME OBJECT AND IF IT'S THE SELF SAME OBJECT IT'S ONE, NOT A MULTIPLICITY. WHAT MY MOUNTAIN IS, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE NOT GROUNDED IN OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE. THEY'RE GROUNDED IN A WHOLE AREA OF TRUTH CALLED APRIORI EVIDENCE. SO 1ST OF ALL WE LEAVE OUT METHOD AND SCIENCE IS GROUNDED IN MATH SO YOU LEAVE OUT ONE OF ITS PRIMARY TOOLS BY LEAVING OUT MATHEMATICS ITSELF. ALSO SCIENCE IS PURPORTED TO BE LOGICAL AND IT IS LOGICAL THEREFORE YOU LEAVE OUT THAT TOOL AS WELL AND YOU LEAVE OUT THE WHOLE OF METAPHYSICAL PROPOSITIONS AND THERE ARE MANY OF THEM WHICH SCIENCE USES. SO FOR, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE ASSERTION OF SCIENTISTISM IS THROUGHOUT AN ILLUSION TO A METAPHYSICAL METHOD. SO WHAT'S THE POINT I'M TRYING TO GET TO? YOU LEAVE OUR TONS OF AREAS OF STUDY. MORE OVER SCIENTIFIC TRUTHS, EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW YOU CAN HAVE STATISTICAL STRUCTURES IN QUANTUM MICK NIX AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU DON'T DEAL WITH PEOPLE. PEOPLE ARE ERRATIC. PEOPLE HAVE EMOTIONS. PEOPLE HAVE BELIEFS. THEY DON'T OPERATE JUST BY HOW THE PROTONS AND THE ELECTRONS IN THEIR BODIES ARE OPERATING. THEY'RE MAKING CHOICES ALL THE TIME THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY UNPREDICTABLE ACCORDING TO PHYSICAL PROCESSES. I REFER YOU TO THE BOOK I MENTION THE LAST WEEK BY DAVID CHOMSKYERS ON THE HUMAN SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE AND SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS TO PHYSICAL PROCESSES. THE POINT I'M GETTING TO IS THAT ALL OF THAT DOMAIN OF SELF REFLECT ACTIVITY, ALL OF THE DOMAIN OF HUMAN FREEDOM, AND HUMAN CHOICE AND HUMAN EMOTIO, ALL OF THAT IS RULED OUT BECAUSE SCIENCE DOESN'T DEAL WITH THAT. SCIENCE CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR THAT. YOU CAN'T PUT IT IN STATISTIC COMPEL ALGORITHMS OR CERTAINLY NOT DEFINITIVE ALGORITHMS OR EVEN IN CHAOS, NONALGORITHMS. YOU DON'T ANY OF THAT. SO THAT'S -- YOU KNOW THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM, PEN AND YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER HUGE AREA. YOU KNOW THOSE FIVE FRANCE DENIAL DESIRES? SCIENCE ONLY DEALS WITH ONE PART OF ONE TRANSCENDENTAL AWARENESS THAT WE HAVE AND THAT IS TRUTH. AND IT ONLY DEALS WITH THE OBSERVABLY GROUNDABLE MATHEMATICALLY ANALYZABLE PARTS OF TRUTH. IT DOESN'T DEAL WITH ANY OF THE AREAS OF TRUTH I JUST TALKED ABOUT. BUT WHAT ABOUT LOVE IN OUR AWARENESS OF PERFECT LOVE, OUR AWARENESS OF PUBLIC GOODNESS AND CONSCIOUS AND OUR MORAL REASONING? WHAT ABOUT BEAUTY? AND THE AESTHETICS? ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE NOT GROUNDABLE -- YOU CAN SAY BEAUTY IS GROUNDABLE IN OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE. YOU CANNOT SPRAIN THAT PERCEPTION OF BEAUTY BY REFERRING TO ELECTRONS, FIELDS, QUANTUM FIELDS, ANYTHING. SCIENCE CAN'T TOUCH BEAUTY. IT CAN'T TOUCH IT. YOU CAN SAY THESE CHEMICALS EMERGED IN THE BRAIN WHEN THESE KINDS OF FEELINGS WERE PRESENT, OR THIS PART OF THE BRAIN WAS STIMULATED. BUT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE REALLY GIVEN OF GIVING A DEFINITION OF LOVE? DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GIVING A DEFINITION NOT ONLY OF THE FEELING OR SENTIMENT BUT THE ACTUAL EMPATHY THAT YOU HAVE WITH ANOTHER HUMAN BEING, THAT SYMPATHETIC VIBRATION WITH ANOTHER HUMAN BEING THAT LEADS YOU TO THE POINT WHERE YOU SEE THE GOOD IN THE OTHER, AND IT BECOMES EASIER TO DOT GOOD FOR THEM THAN TO DO THE GOOD FOR YOURSELF, DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS REDUCIBLE TO A PHYSICAL PROCESS. I DARE SAY IT IS NOT. DO YOU THINK THAT CONSCIOUS -- DO YOU THINK THAT A MORAL PROPOSITION LIKE ABORTION IS WRONG OR MURDER IS WRONG OR WHATEVER IS WRONG, DO YOU THINK THAT IS REDUCIBLE TO A SCIENTIFIC -- GIVE ME THE SCIENTIFIC TEST POUR THAT. GIVE ME THE SCIENTIFIC TEST FOR JUSTICE. FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES PLATO WOULD BE JUST NUTS BECAUSE OF COURSE HE SAID, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, IF ALL REALITY IS REDUCIBLE TO ATOMS, WHAT ABOUT JUSTICE, WHICH IS CLEARLY NOT REDUCIBLE TO SOME KIND OF A PHYSICAL APPARATUS, OR WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT JUSTICE? YET AT THE SAME TIME I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING, IF YOU TELL ME WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTERISTIC ABOUT JOE THAT YOU CAN SEE, I WILL TELL YOU ONE THING, IT'S NOT HIS ELECTRONS, NOT HIS PROTONS, IT'S NOT THE CONSTITUENTS OF HIS BODY, NOT HIS ANATOMY, NOT HIS BRAIN PHYSIOLOGY, NOT THE PROCESS GOING ON IN HIS BRAIN. IT'S WHETHER OR NOTIO IS A JUST PERSON. BUT IF YOU CAN'T LOOK UNDER THE MICROSCOPE IS SEE SOME JUSTICE, CAN YOU CAN'T TAKE ALL OF OUR GREAT SCIENTIFIC -- AND WE HAVE MANY SCIENTIFIC INSTRUMENTS THAT CAN DIAGNOSE MANY THINGS ABOUT FIBROMYALGIA PROCESSES. WE JUST CAN'T DIAGNOSE WHETHER JUSTICE IS THERE. I CAN PUT ALL OF THE ELECTRODES ON YOUR RAIN THAT I COULD POSSIBLY MUSTER UP AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET ONE SINGLE CHUNK OF JUSTICE MEASURED ON THAT SCALE. AND SO PLATO SAYS, YOU KNOW, WELL, SCIENCE WOULD BE -- IF PLATO WAS AROUND FOR CONTEMPORARY SCIENCE HE WOULD SAY IT'S BEREFT OF CONSCIOUS AND GOODNESS AND BEREFT OF LOVE AND EMPATHY, BEREFT OF TRANSCENDENS AND GOD AND RELIGION AND THE SPIRITUAL LIFE, IT'S BEREFT OF THE TRUTHS THAT THAT PHYSICAL EVIDENCE CANNOT GET TO, ET CETERA. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE. I MEAN SCIENCE, YEAH,, IT'S NOT -- KNOWLEDGE CANNOT BE REDUCED TO SCIENCE. THAT -- IT'S NOT ONLY SELF REFUTING. IT'S LIKE GIVING YOURSELF A FRONTAL LA BOTTOM ME, AND FRANKLY A LA BOTTOM ME OF NINE/10 OF YOUR BRAIN AND 100 PERCENT OF YOUR SOUL PRACTICALLY SO WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? AND GUY YOUR INSTINCTS ARE COMPLETELY CORRECT. DON'T DO THAT. DON'T EVER BELIEVE THAT PROPAGANDA. YOU NOT ONLY BECOME HALF A MAN; YOU WILL WIND UP BECOMING ONE-1 MILLIONth OF A MAN AND THAT WOULD BE PITIFUL INDEED. VERY GOOD. THAT WAS GOOD. I THINK YOU SHOWED US SOME OF THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE ACQUIRED OVER THE YEARS IN ALL OF THOSE BOOKS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN READING IN ONE HEALTHY DOSE RIGHT THERE BUT WE KILLED OUR BREAK. WE'RE GOING TO STAY DOING QUESTIONS HERE. IN OUR 1ST WEEK THE ADVENT. DEAR FATHER SPITZER I HAVE ALWAYS WONDERED WHY GOD CREATED A WORD THAT SEEMED TO BE DESIGNED TO KILL HUMAN BEINGS BY NATURAL DISASTER, DISEASES OR OTHER PREDATORY ANIMALS ESPECIALLY IF HUMAN BEINGS ARE MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD. WERE THE ANIMALS DECIDE TO BE PREDATORY TO HUMAN BEINGS OR DID THEY BECOME THAT WAY AFTER THE FALL OF MAN AND THIS IS ANOTHER MIKE, THIS ONE FROM MONTANA. >> OKAY. MIKE, I JUST WANT TO ANSWER THE 1ST PREMISE THAT GOOD DESIGNED THE WORLD TO KILL HUMAN BEINGS. NO, HE DIDN'T. GOD DESIGNED THE WORLD SO THAT HUMAN BEINGS COULD LIVE. THE MOST EXTRAORDINARY THING ABOUT THIS WORLD IS THAT IT WILL CREATE A HABITAT FAVORABLE TO HUMANITY. IT IS EXTRAORDINARY. DO YOU KNOW THE ODDS AGAINST THIS HAPPENING? I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE PEN ROSE NUMBER IS THEN WE WILL GO FROM THERE. THE ODDS AGAINST IT ARE 10 RAISED TO THE 10 RAISED TO THE 120 TO ONE, JUST TO HAVE A LOW ENTROPIY UNIVERSE LIKE OURS WHERE WE CAN HAVE A HABITAT WHERE HUMAN BEINGS CAN LIVE. 10 TO THE 10 TO THE 120 -- THAT'S A 10 AND A SINGLE EXPONENT, THAT IS A ONE FOLLOWED BY 1200S, TRILLION, TRILLION, TRILLION, TRILLION, TRILLION, TRILLION, TRILLION, TRILLION, TRILLION AND THAT IS LOW ENTROPY AND IF WE NEED THAT LOW HABITAT THAT'S THE ODDS OF A MONKEY TYPING THE ENTIRE CORPSE OF SHAKESPEARE BY TAPPING RANDOM KEYS. AND THE STORY DOESN'T END THERE. THE ODDS AGAINST HAVING A LIVABLE HABITAT LIKE OUR EARTH ARE NOT JUST 10 TO THE 10 TO THE 120 BUT 10 TO THE 10 TO THE 10 TO THE 10 TO THE 120th AND ALL I CAN TELL YOU IT'S THE ODDS OF NOT ONLY A MONKEY TYPING RANDOM KEYS BUT A MONKEY TYPING THE ENTIRE CORPSE OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE OF SINGLE KEYS IN A SINGLE TRY FLAWLESSLY. OF COURSE. WE ARE LIVING IN THE MOST EXTRAORDINARY PLACE IN THE WORL- EXTRAORDINARY PLACE IN REALITY, NAMELY A WORLD THAT CAN SUSTAIN OUR HAS BEEN TALENT. THAT'S THE 1ST FINGER. THE 2ND THING THOUGH IS GOD HAS ALLOWED SOME THINGS TO BE PREDATORY TO HUMAN EXISTENCE TO COME INTO THE WORLD, THAT IS TRUE. AND TO BE PREDATORY TO OTHER EXISTENCE. HE HAS -- GOD'S PERMISSIVE WEALTH. AND HE DOES THIS IN THE DESIGN OF THE UNIVERSE FOR SEVERAL BASIC REASONS. I'M JUST GOING TO CITE A FEW OF THEM HERE BUT IF YOU WANT LOOK AT A BOOK THAT I WROTE CALLED "THE LIGHT SHINES ON IN THE DARKNESS TRANSFORMING SUFFERING THROUGH FAITH, CHAPTER 10". AND I HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THESE THINGS. BUT THE NUMBER ONE REASON GOD ALLOWS THESE KINDS OF THINGS TO HAPPEN IS BECAUSE GOD WANTS US TO NEED ONE ANOTHER. WE WILL HAVE TO FORM OURSELVES INTO A HUMAN COMMUNITY. WE ARE NOT SELF-SUFFICIENT. IT IS THE CHALLENGES OF THIS WORLD AND THE VULNERABILITIES THAT THIS WORLD PRESENTS THAT HELP US TO TURN TO ONE ANOTHER, NOT JUST IN HUMAN PARENTING AND FAMILY -- CERTAINLY THAT -- BUT IN HUMAN SOCIETIES AND CULTURES. HUMAN BEINGS ARE CONSTANTLY TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY CAN OFFEND BETTER OFF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE DANGERS THAT WE SIEGE THEM BETTER IN COMMUNITY THAN THEY CAN OUTSIDE OF COMMUNITY. THE 2ND THING THAT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER BY THE WAY, IN ALL THAT I'M SAYING, GOD IS CALLING US TO ETERNAL LIGHT THROUGH THIS WORLD. DEATH IS NOT THE END OF IT ALL. SO YOU CAN'T SAY A PREDATORY THING IS CONTRARY TO GOD'S PLAN. DEATH IS NOT CONTRA TO GOD'S PLAN. DEATH IS DEFINITELY PART OF THE PLAN. HE COULD HAVE MADE YOU IMMORTAL OR ON ANGEL OR HE COULD HAVE MADE YOU HAVE CREATURE THAT WOULD NEVER DIE LIKE THE ELVES IN TOLKIEN'S WORKS. HE DIDN'T. WHAT DID HE DO? HE MADE YOU A BEING THAT IS CALLED TO DEATH AND THAT IS WHAT CALLS TO US LIVE FOR SOMETHING -- YOU KNOW IMPORTANT WITH OUR LIVES AND HE TELLS US -- HE GIVES US AN INTUITION THAT WE HAVE AN AFTER LIFE AND AS I WAS SAYING IN LAST WEEK' PROGRAM, HUMAN BEINGS HAVE KNOWN THIS FOR 70,000 YEARS THERE WAS AN AFTER LIFE. THEY DIDN'T GET IT BY HERE IS LOGICAL REASONING. GOD GIVES THEM AN INTUITION AND THEY HAVE FOLLOWED THAT DILIGENTLY FOR ALMOST 70,000 YEARS. MY POINT THOUGH IS DEATH IS NOT THE END OF IT ALL. DEATH IS THE CALL TO DO SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT WITH YOUR LIFE, TO FORM YOUR TRUE IDENTITY AND YOUR FREEDOM, WHO YOU REALLY ARE, BEFORE YOU LEAVE THIS WORLD. AND, OF COURSE, WHEN YOU LEAVE THIS WORLD AS A GOOD PERSON -- AND CULTURES KNOW THIS GOING ALL THE WAY BACK 70,000 YEARS, YOU LEAVE THIS WORLD AS A GOOD PERSON SOMETHING GOOD WILL HAPPEN IN THE AFTER LIFE. IF YOU LEAVE IT AS AN EVIL PERSON SOMETHING EVIL WILL HAPPEN IN THE AFTERLIFE. THIS IS NOT JUST A CHRISTIAN OR JUDEO-CHRISTIAN TEACHING. THIS GOES WAY BACK BEFORE THAT. SO THE IDEA OF GOOD AND EVIL AND GOOD AND EVIL FOLLOWING YOU INTO THE NEXT LIFE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY AN INSIGHT INTUITION THAT GOD GIVES US. THE 3RD THING TO REMEMBER, TO, IS WE NEED CHALLENGES IN OUR OWN LIVES; RIGHT? WE NEED TO OVERCOME CHALLENGES IN ORDER TO FIND OUR COURAGE, IN ORDER TO TEST OUR METTLE, WE CAN'T JUST LIVE IN A UTILITARIAN BUBBLE, WHERE WE SAY, OKAY, NEED FOOD AND, PUFF, GOD PROVIDES IN THE BUBBLE A SUM TUESDAY FEAST RIGHT THERE FOR OLD BOBBY AND THEN NEED MORE PLEASURE DIDN'T GOD SAYS HERE FERRIS WHEEL AND GIVE US TO IT BOBBY AND THEN NEED MORE WHATEVER -- AND IT JUST COMES OUT AND THERE'S NO SUFFERING, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IN FACT WHAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO CALL US OUT OF SUPERFICIALITY IS TO BE ABLE TO CALL US TO A HIGHER LIFE AND A HIGHER PURPOSE, IN ORDER TO CALL US TO SOME NOBLE AND WORTHY OF OURSELVES, EVEN WORTHY OF SELF-SACRIFICE LIKE DOING SOMETHING FOR THE LOVE OF OUR CHILDREN OR FIGHTING FOR OUR COUNTRY, OR FIGHTING FOR AN IDEAL THAT REALLY MEANT -- OR BEING A MARTYR FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD, THOSE ARE NOBLE IDEAS BUT THEY COME ABOUT BY THE FACT THAT SUFFERING REALLY IS A POSSIBILITY. AND SO WE NEED THESE THINGS NOT JUST FOR THE NOBLE EFFORT BUT EVEN TOE SHOCK US OUT OF SUPERFICIALIALITY. ST. PAUL TELLS US WE NEED SUFFERING IN ORDER TO HAVE THE HUMILITY THAT IS RECOLLECT RESILIENT FOR REALLY TRUE LOVE, TO GET BEYOND OUR EGO AND HE SAYS GIVEN A THORN IN THE FLESH, SATAN TO BEAT ME FROM GETTING PROUD AND NOW I KNOW I GROW WEAKER CHRIST GROSS STRONGER IN ME, I'M HEADED TOWARDS SALVATION, OR I'M BEING PURIFIED IN LOVE AND I'M BECOMING MORE LIKE JESUS CHRIST IN LOVE AND IN HIS HEART AND AS A CONSEQUENCE I'M LEADING OTHER PEOPLE TO GOD AND I'M LEADING OTHER PEOPLE BEYOND THEIR EGOS AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO GET IN THAT COMMUNITY OF LOVE, IF WE ACTUALLY FOLLOW THE IMPETUS OF SUFFERING FOLLOWING THE IMPETUS OF THE CROSS AND FOLLOWING THE IMPETUS OF DEATH. SO JESUS BASICALLY PUT THIS IN OUR LIVES FOR OUR SAKE, TOO, AND THAT'S WHY HE CAME DOWN INTO THE WORLD AND SHARED OUR SUFFERING. HE DIDN'T TAKE IT AWAY. HE CAME INTO THE WORLD AND HE SHOWED US WHAT TO DO WITH OUR SUFFERS OF SUFFERING. HE SHOWED US THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT LIE IN OUR SUFFERING, FOR GETTING BEYOND OUR EGO, FOR SERVING HUMANITY, FOR EMPATHIZING AND FOR BECOMING HUMBLE AND FOR DEEPENING OUR FAITH AND BECOMING VULNERABLE AND LETTING GOD IN IN THE MOMENT OF THOSE SUFFERINGS AND COUNTLESS OTHER THINGS AND ABOVE ALL HOW TO OFFER IT UP FOR THE SAKE OF OTHER PEOPLE SO THAT THAT SUFFERING BECOMES SELF SACRIFICIAL LOVE THAT THE FATHER CAN GIVE TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS IT. SO ALL OF THESE PURPOSES ARE IN GOD'S PLAN. SUFFERING IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS ANTITHETICAL TO LOVE; IT'S THE OPPOSITE. SUFFERING IS TRULY HAND IN HAND WITH LOVE, BUT YOU NEED FAITH. SUFFERING WITHOUT FAITH CAN TURN YOU INWARD, IM BITTER YOU AND REALLY NOT ONLY MAKE YOUR LIFE HELL BUT HELP YOU TO MAKE EVERYBODY ELSE'S LIFE, YOU KNOW, IN THE SAME VEIN. FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES WHAT WE SAY ABOUT SUFFERING IS SUFFERING PLUS FAITH -- SUFFERING PLUS THAT TRUST IN GOD TO FOLLOW HIM AND IN THAT SUFFERING AND TO LET HIM LEAD YOU THAT WILL PRODUCE OF KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, AND IT WILL PURIFY YOU, LIKE ST. PAUL IN HUMILITY, AND IN LOVE SO THAT YOU CAN LEAD OTHER PEOPLE AUTHENTICALLY TO HEAVEN AND THAT'S THE HIGHEST PURPOSE YOU CAN HAVE BECAUSE HEAVEN IS ETERNAL AND SO IS HELL. AND SO WE DEFINITELY WANT THAT SUFFERING. I KNOW WHEN I GET TO HEAVEN I'M GOING TO LOOK BACK AND I'M GOING TO GO, WHAT DO YOU, THANK GOD I WAS BLIND AND THAT GOT I GOT THIS AND THANK GOD I GOT THAT CHALLENGE. WITHOUT THOSE THINGS I WOULD BE IN MY OWN LITTLE PLEASURE BUBBLE AND HEEDNISTIC BUBBLE AND WHAT GOOD WOULD HAVE COME FROM THAT? I WOULD HAVE NEVER KNOWN ABOUT MY METTLE OR COURAGE LET ALONE VIRTUE AND TRYING TO DECREASE AND GET BEYOND MY EGOCENTRICITY AND MY PRIDE. I WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN HAD A FAITH. WOULD I HAVE EVEN CALLED UPON GOD? WOULD I HAVE CALLED UPON ANYBODY ELSE TO HELP ME? WOULD I HAVE EVER WANTED TO HELP ANYBODY ELSE? EMPATHY AND COMPASSION? I KNOW NOT. BUT I KNOW SUFFERING ENHANCED IT ALL THROUGH MY FAITH SO THAT'S WHY I THINK GOD PUTS US IN A CHALLENGING WORLD. >> THAT'S ONE OF THE GREAT INSIGHTS THAT THE CATHOLIC FAITH HAS FOR PEOPLE THAT COME INTO IT IS THAT UNDERSTANDING OF SUFFERING AND REDEMPTIVE SUFFERING AND THAT SUFFERING IS NEVER WASTED IN THAT WAY. HERE IS -- WE HAVE ANOTHER COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS SINCE WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO OUR TOPIC AND WE WILL SAVE THAT FOR NEXT TIME. DEAR FATHER SPITZER DO THE FALLEN ANGELS LOVE EACH OTHER OR IS THAT EVEN A POSSIBILITY? >> TERESA, THE FALLEN ANGELS DO NOT LOVE EACH OTHER. I CAN ASSURE YOU YOU HAVE THAT. THEY EXPERIENCE A CAMARADERIE IN THEIR EVIL BUT THIS IS NOT LOVE. IF YOU MEAN BY LOVE SEEING THE GOOD IN THE OTHER WHEREBY YOU CREATE A UNITY WITH THE OTHER SUCH THAT LOVING OR GIVING YOURSELF OR DOING THE GOOD FOR THE OTHER IS JUST AS EASY IF NOT EASIER THAN DOING THE GOOD FOR YOURSELF, I ASSURE YOU THE FALLEN ANGELS ARE DOING NOTHING OF THAT KIND. WHAT FALLEN ANGELS HAVE IS A CAMARADERIE. THEY HAVE A JOINT CAUSE WHICH IS CALLED THE UNDERMINING OF LOVE, THE UNDERMINING OF GOD, AND THE UNDERMINING OF YOU. THERE IS NO LOVE IN THEM AND THAT'S WHY THEY ARE DARK, FEARFUL, HORRIBLE BEINGS AND WE SHOULD WANT TO AVOID THEM AND WANT TO AVOID THE LIFESTYLE THAT THEY'RE PROMOTING AT ALL COSTS BECAUSE WHAT THEY REALLY WANT TO DO IS TO BRING YOU INTO THEIR DOMAIN FOREVER AND SEDUCE YOU, CONVINCE YOU, THAT THEY HAVE THE STING WITH CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD. STICK WITH HIS PATH TO SALVATION ASK LOVE. STICK WITH WHAT HE SAID ABOUT MOTOR AND STICK, ABOVE ALL ELSE, WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WHO INTERPRETS THAT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE JUST FINE. BUT, NO,, NOT FALLEN ANGELS DON'T LOVE. THEY JUST HAVE A PECULIAR CAMARADERIE IN HATE. >> A LOT QUESTION. DEAR FATHER SPITZER WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE DEAD AND THE LIVING? DO THE DEAD ATTEMPT TO COMMUNICATE WITH US? DO THEY SEND US SIGNS? ARE THE DEAD NEAR US AT TIMES? HOW WOULD WE KNOW IF THEY'RE TRYING TO CONTACT US IS MARILYN FROM NEW ROCHELLE NEW YORK. >> MARILYN THE DEAD -- WELL SOME OF THE DEAD ACTUALLY GO TO HEAVEN. DO SOME OF THE DEAD TRY TO CONTACT US BEFORE THEY GO TO HEAVEN? I WOULD SAY THERE CERTAINLY ARE A LOT OF RECORDED INSTANCES WHAT IS CALLED, YOU KNOW, POSTMORTEM VISIONS OF PEOPLE WHO APPEAR TO PEOPLE, POSTMORTEM APPARITIONS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DEAD AND THERE ARE SOME CASES WHERE PEOPLE IDENTIFY FEATURES OF A PERSON THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW WERE THERE PRIOR TO THE DEATH, AND WHEN THEY DESCRIBE THE PERSON GO OH, HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT, THEY WERE MILES AWAY AND THEY HAD THIS ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE AND THEY DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I WOULD SAY OVER ALL I DO THINK THERE ARE POSTMORTEM APPARITIONS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE JUST DIED. THAT'S CERTAINLY I THINK CAN BE JUSTIFIED WITH SOME KIND OF TESTIMONIAL WARRANT. YOU KNOW I HAD AN INTERESTING INSTANCE IN MY OWN LIFE, WHEN MY MOTHER DIED, WE ALWAYS -- WHEN WE WENT TO THE OUTRIGGER, I GREW UP IN HAWAII AND THERE WAS A CLUB CALLED THE OUTRIGGER CANOE CLUB. AS YOU WERE LOOKING OUT OF THE OCEAN FROM THAT CLUB YOU COULD ACTUALLY -- EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, VERY RARELY, THERE WOULD BE WHAT PEOPLE WOULD CALL THIS GREEN, YOU KNOW, FLASH THAT WOULD OCCUR RIGHT AT SUNSET BUT IT WAS PRETTY RARE, BUT WE WOULA FAMILY THERE, WE SAY MAYBE THERE WOULD BE A GREEN FLASH. INVARIABLY THERE WAS NOT A GREEN FLASH BUT ONCE IN A BLUE MOON THERE WOULD BE A GREEN FLASH. MY MOTHER DIED AND MY SISTER SAID, YOU WATCH, TONIGHT THERE WILL BE A GREEN FLASH. THIS IS AFTER THE FUNERAL AND WE HAD THIS LITTLE RECEPTION AT THE OUTRIGGER CANOE CLUB AND WE WERE ALL LOOKING TOWARD THE HORIZON. AND KA-BLAMMO IT WAS THE BIGGEST GREEN FLASH WE HAD EVER SEEN. AND I JUST THOUGHT -- MOM? LITERALLY. THAT'S NOT A POSTMORTEM APPARITION BUT IT WAS KIND OF FUNNY. I DO THINK ALSO THERE ARE GHOSTS IN THE WORLD. I THINK THOSE GHOSTS ARE THE PRESENCE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT MOVED ON FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY ARE STILL DEALING WITH SOMETHING IN THIS WORLD. PETER KATE CALLED THEM PERJURYTORIAL GHOSTS THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THEY ARE GHOSTS AND THEY CERTAINLY MANIFEST THEMSELVES AND OFTENTIMES THOUGH THE ONES THAT ARE HERE ARE VERY MUCH HAUNTED. THEY'RE VERY MUCH LIVING IN AN UNRESOLVED ISSUE, DEALING WITH THEIR OWN SUICIDE OR OFTENTIMES THEY CAN BE MALEVOLENT. THOSE WOULD NOT BE GHOSTS FROM PURGATORY, THOSE WOULD BE GHOSTS FROM HELL SO MY ONE THOUGHT IS BE VERY CAREFUL TRYING TO COMMUNICATE OR TO ANYTHING WITH ANY KIND OF A GHOST AT ALL. JUST DON'T DO IT. JUST DON'T DO IT. SAY WELL, MOM IF THAT'S YOU THANKS FOR COMING. END OF STORY. DON'T DO ANYTHING MORE, DO NOT TRY TO COMMUNICATE. DO NOT DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I TELL YOU THE DEVIL HAS A BILL FACES. AND HE CAN COME JUST LIKE YOUR MOTHER AND I HAVE CITED THIS BEFORE, THE ROBBIE MANNHEIM DON'T REMEMBERCISM. HE THOUGHT HE WAS DEALING WITH HIS SPIRITUALIST AUNT WHO DIED AND HE GOT OUT HIS OUIJA BOARD TO CONJURE HER UP AND THE BOARD CONVINCED HIM IT WAS HIS AUNT BUT IT WAS NOT HIS AUNT BUT IT WAS A VERY MALEVOLENT SPIRIT DIABOLICAL SPIRIT THAT TOOK I THINK 38 TIMES TO DO THE DON'T REMEMBERCISM RITE OVER A MONTH TO GET THAT POOR BOY EXORCISE ASKED HE WOULD BUT YOU CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT TOOK PLACE IN THAT EXORCISM. BY THE WAY, I HAVE A SUMMARY OF THAT EXORCISM ON MY WEBSITE crediblecatholic.com. JUST CLICK ON THE BIG BOOK AND THEN GO TO VOLUME 14 AND THERE YOU WILL SEE THE EXORCISM OF ROBBIE MANNHEIM. >> WE WILL BE CLOSING THE BIG BOOK THIS WEEK. FATHER IF YOU WOULD GIVE US YOUR BLESSING THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. PLEASE BOW YOUR HEADS AND PLAY FOR GOD'S BLESSING. MAY THE LORD OF ALL LOVE MERCY AND CONCILIATION COME UPON YOU. AND TELL YOU OF THE WISDOM OF HIS LAW, HIS GOODNESS, HIS MORAL TEACHINGS, AND TELL YOU ALSO OF THE SALVATION THAT AWAITS YOU IN HIS COMPASSION, OF THE SALVATION THAT AWAITS YOU AS YOU OVERCOME YOUR EGO INTO THE HEART OF HIS LOVE, AND BLESS YOU THROUGH THAT INTO YOUR SALVATION IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AMEN. >> AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, FATHER. WE SHALL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. >> OKAY. GOD BLESS YOU. >> AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING HERE ON FR. SPITZER'S UNIVERSE. DON'T FORGET ABOUT MY BOOKMARK SHOW, A FULTON SHEEN ANTHOLOGY WITH ALAN SMITH. THAT'S DECEMBER 21 IS GOING TO BE HIS BEATIFY INDICATION AND I GUARANTEE WE WILL BE CARRYING THAT EVENT SO LOOK FOR THAT AND ALSO REMEMBER NEXT WEEK WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE EUCHARISTIC COMMEMORATION IN THE 1ST CENTURY AND FINALLY GET INTO THAT. MUCH MORE AHEAD, WEEKLY WEEK AS WE MOVE THROUGH ADVENT. THIS IS FR. SPITZER'S UNIVERSE. HE'S IN CONTROL. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME. [MUSIC]
