Ms. Loose, you are suing
the defendant for $2,716.86, back child care expenses
for your son, Marley. LOOSE: Yes, Your Honor. And you say there is
no need for a paternity test because you're certain
he is your baby's father. LOOSE: Yes, Your Honor. Mr. Zuniga, you say
you don't owe her a dime, because you're not
her son's father. You've petitioned the court
for a lie detector test, and a paternity test, because not only
are you not his father but you claim to know
who his real daddy is. ZUNIGA: Yes, Your Honor. Mr. Zuniga, I need
to understand your doubt. Um, first of all,
I never really knew her. Okay, you slept
with her, right? I met her through
a mutual friend. Oh, no, answer my question. You slept with her, right? Yes. Did you use protection? No. (AUDIENCE MURMURING) Well, you know her now! ZUNIGA: Yes. (AUDIENCE CLAPPING) Okay. Proceed. I was new to the town. Well, I found out that
she never really stayed
in relationships long. And that she liked
to jump from guy to guy. (AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING) Ms. Loose, were you
sleeping with other men when you were sleeping
with Mr. Zuniga? No. Not one. I did sleep with
a few men after him, but I was only sleeping with
him when we were together. Okay, Mr. Zuniga, do you
have any other children? No, ma'am. I've always
thought I was sterile. JUDGE LAKE: You do? Yes. Putting the long
relationships aside
and trying to have, you know, kids with them
and consulting doctors. I did a lot of sports,
I've had a lot of
sports-related injuries. I think that might have
something to do with it. I've been in at
least three long... long-term relationships
where I've tried to have
children with them. And you have not had a child? ZUNIGA: No. So you believe
your relationship
with Ms. Loose also could not... So, you don't
have any doubt? No. Not at all. You haven't slept with
anybody else in your mind? I was committed
when we first started
hanging out. I stayed at home
with my god-brother taking care of his kids
until he got off work. Your Honor,
may I add something? Yes, sir, what would
you like to add? While I was at work,
I asked her
what she used to do. And she used to tell me
she was going to her "brother figure" house and getting
her moped fixed. I mean, that thing's probably
still broke right now. (ZUNIGA CHUCKLES) Oh, so you believe
she was going over to
this other gentleman's house, and he wasn't
a brother figure.
He was really... There's this one instance,
where this lady came up to me,
and she told me, that while I was with her, she was cheating on me
the whole time
with her husband. (AUDIENCE MURMURING) ZUNIGA: And he looks
just like the father, red hair and blue eyes. (AUDIENCE JEERING) How long were you
two together? Not two and half weeks,
maybe. (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) Did you say two
and a half weeks? ZUNIGA: Yes, Your Honor. Far as I know, she could
have been pregnant before
I even got with her. Why are you young people
running around having unprotected sex with
people you knew for two weeks? (AUDIENCE CLAPPING) Okay, Ms. Loose,
you worry me now. (LOOSE CHUCKLES) 'Cause, no, you're
a beautiful young girl, and I don't want you
living up to your last name. (AUDIENCE CLAPPING) So, Ms. Loose,
you brought a witness today? Who did you bring? Yes. His mother. (AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING) Jerome, can you
please escort Ms. Vertigan
into the courtroom? Hello, ma'am. Thank you
for joining us today. Hello, Your Honor. Now you are
Mr. Zuniga's mother? You're welcome. Yes, Ma'am. Explain to the court how you
feel about this situation. I love my son,
don't get me wrong, I really honestly
love my son. And I would be
on my son's side, but his reasonings
are crazy to me. What makes you have a baby? Sex. What did they do?
Have unprotected sex. I, um, submitted pictures
earlier to the courts
of how much they look alike. ZUNIGA: First of all,
Your Honor, my mom, she's always wanted
me to have kids
once I got of age. I got older and started
settling down. VERTIGAN: Oh, my goodness. No. Your Honor, I didn't want
him sleeping with nobody. She told me herself
that she was that age
to be a grandmother. She didn't even speak to me
until after we found out
that I was pregnant. Because she thought
I was just a fling. I wouldn't even speak to her. Because my son goes through
women like toilet paper. I did not want
to speak to her. (AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING) But, Your Honor, if you look
at those pictures, their eyes
look so much alike, and they have
the same features. The dark circles,
my grandson was born
with jaundice, Your Honor, and my son
was born with jaundice. I came out with a full head... My son has a muscle spasm
in his eye. Brown hair. Brown eyes. My grandson has a muscle
spasm in his eye. I look just like my father.
I look... This kid looks
nothing like me. Yes, because my son
is 50% Mexican. His dad was 100%.
Does he look like my son,
Your Honor? You met with a licensed
polygraph professional... LOOSE: <i> Yes, Your Honor.</i> <i> ...who has more than
20 years' experience,</i> <i> and you took this test.</i> LOOSE: <i> Yes, Your Honor.</i> You were asked if you ever
had sexual relations with any other man
while dating Pedro,
which is Mr. Zuniga. You said "No." The lie detector determined, deception indicated. (AUDIENCE JEERING) That's not a shocker. It is this court's finding that because you were
with another man during the time you were
also with Mr. Zuniga, we're gonna order
a paternity test. In the case of<i>
Loose v. Zuniga,</i> pertaining to one-year-old
Marley Zuniga, it has been determined
by this court... Mr. Zuniga, you are his father. VERTIGAN: Oh, thank you,
Jesus. LOOSE: Oh, my God! (LOOSE AND VERTIGAN SOBBING) This is my grandson!
You say you're sorry! You tell you're sorry! You need to apologize
to your son. (SOBBING) But look at him. VERTIGAN: And you tell him
you're sorry. Look at him, yes,
look at him. Wait, but you lied. Baby, that's yours. Okay, but look at your... Yes, I may have lied. Oh, we're getting over that. We're getting over that. But the test says it.
He is your son! Say you're sorry.
Look at him. But the test just proves
that I was right. JUDGE LAKE: All right, so what
we got to do now is, we got to figure out
how to let this go. I want to talk to you
all in my chambers. Because I can see right
now you all are gonna
run outta here. Because you're getting
on my nerves. You're gonna get on
Marley's nerves. And we need to
talk about this. Meet me in my chambers. Court is adjourned. Ms. Percy, you've petitioned the court
for a paternity test. JUDGE LAKE: You're here
to prove to Mr. Gayle
and his wife, that he is the father
of your 26-year-old daughter, Tedria Glen. Yes, Your Honor. You claim that you've spent
nearly $200,000 to raise your daughter
and he's done nothing. Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: And now you feel
like he needs to pay. Yes, Your Honor. Mr. Gayle, you claim, you weren't there
for Ms. Glen, because you only found out,
she may be your child
when she was 15 years old. Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: And your
biggest fear is that your wife will
leave you if you're
proven to be the father. Yes, Your Honor. Ms. Percy... DEDRIA: Yes. ...why do you think Mr. Gayle
is denying your daughter? Because of his wife. I don't know why
she won't let this man
be a man. And be with his children... Your Honor, my wife is... DEDRIA: ...he needs to spend
time with his children. My wife doesn't stop me
from seeing any of my kids. (SIGHS) Mr. Gayle,
that is so not true. Every time my daughter
calls him, it's like, "Oh, I can't
talk to you right now, "Tonya's sitting right here." ERNEST: Right. Because I don't wanna
disrespect my wife. I mean, but that's just... How would you
disrespect your wife? If I do that with my daughter, I can talk to her. This is your daughter! That, I knew that was
my daughter. It's your daughter. I can talk, It's your daughter. to her whenever
I please. Mr. Gayle, tell me,
were you all in
a committed relationship? It was committed,
we was seven years... Was no seven years... DEDRIA: How long
was it then? Like four or five years. DEDRIA: No, it wasn't... When I got with her, she was 16 and I was 21. And then when I was 26
I was with my wife. JUDGE LAKE: Okay. When did you get married? What was the date that you
and Mrs. Gayle got married? I got married, February 23rd, 2002. Really? JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Tedria Glen. When is your birthday? October 9th, 1988. JUDGE LAKE: Mr. Gayle,
you got married
in February of 2002, but how long were
you together before that? Fifteen years. Holla! Oh! So, if you were together
15 years, that would
put you... ...way before...
You were together
with your wife, way before... Right, we broke up
a long time ago. (DEDRIA LAUGHS) We was still
sleeping together. ERNEST: We slept
together one time. We were sleeping together the whole time
you was with Tonya. No we weren't. We slept
together one time, Your Honor. He's still trying
to sleep with me. What? Whoa! Whoo! (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) If you really felt
he was the father, why wasn't he
the first man tested? Because I didn't wanna be
bothered with him. ERNEST: So, why you wanna be
bothering with me now? I don't! Honestly, Your Honor... I don't. Is you.
Ya'll doing it. I'm not doing this. Then why are you here? TEDRIA: Can I say something? Yes, yes, yes,
absolutely Ms. Glen... Okay, when I was 19 years old. I didn't even
wanna be here. I asked my brother
for Mr. Gayle's number. When I asked my brother
for Mr. Gayle's number, I called Mr. Gayle, and I initiated
a paternity test. I said, "You know,
I've been hearing all my life "that you've been my dad
and I look just like you. "Me and my brother
just look alike." And, you know,
I've been hearing
all these rumors, but it's like, at that time,
I felt like I was old enough
to find out for myself. So, when I called Mr. Gayle,
he was like, well, "Uh, I understand that
you wanna find out
who your dad is, "but you're gonna have to
pay for the paternity test." TONYA: Oh, my God! I didn't, Your Honor. Which... Which... I would've been
fine with that. When I asked her, I said,
"Tell your mother, "and see if your mother
can go half with me,
on a paternity test." Her mother never
got back to me. Never said anything. That was after the fact. That was just recently. That was just recently,
this past year. No, no, no. When he was like, "Oh,
you need to find out,
where you really come from." Like as if I'm a charity case. It's about me knowing
if this man is my daddy. DEDRIA: Yeah, that's it. We've been talking
for this past year, and when I say,
when we be on the phone
it's all laughs and giggles, and we talk like this
was meant to happen. TEDRIA: It's come a time
to where every time
I get on the phone, she's like, "Oh,
you're on the phone
with your little friend." Like as if I'm nothing. I'm somebody! I may not have had
a father but I'm somebody. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) TEDRIA: I don't have
no problem with her. She's laughing and giggling
like it's a joke! And it's not a joke!
(THUMPING FIST) Your kids grew up
with their father, I didn't! (AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) She didn't! Don't be mad at me,
be mad at your mama! TEDRIA: Don't sit here and act
like it's my mama's fault because I didn't have a daddy
whether I was 15, whether I was two,
whether I was two months. You should have been
a woman and said, TEDRIA: "This girl don't need
to grow up without a father." You do, in fact, believe
there's a possibility that Ms. Glen could be
your husband's child? Because he was there. When you look at her
do you see a resemblance? Could you show her
the picture? She know, um... She trying to be funny. I have evidence, Your Honor. I don't know. She looks
like her mother to me. Jerome, will you hand me
Ms. Glen's evidence, please? She looks like her mother
to me, but that doesn't mean
that's not her father. The first piece of evidence, <i> is a picture of you?</i> TEDRIA: <i> Me and Mr. Gayle.</i> JUDGE LAKE: <i> And, that's
Mr. Gayle...</i> TEDRIA: <i> Yep.</i> <i> ...as children?</i> <i> Yep.</i> And, you say there is
a definite resemblance? TEDRIA: Yep. TEDRIA: My nose, my lips,
where my mouth is,
my teeth, <i> my eyebrows, my eyes...</i> <i> The way... Everything.</i> And then now, this
is a more recent photo
of you now. TEDRIA: Yep. And you still feel like
you see a resemblance? Yep. Mr. Gayle, do you see
a resemblance? All I can see
is the DNA test. In the case of,<i>
Percy Glen v. Gayle.</i> JUDGE LAKE: When it comes to
26-year-old Tedria Glen, it has been determined
by this court, Mr. Gayle, you are not her father. Hear me, boo, holler
at your girl, lets rock. ERNEST: What you talking? (CRYING) TONYA: Don't cry. ERNEST: Yeah. I'm glad. ERNEST: Yeah. You glad. DEDRIA: Yes, I am. I've always been glad,
that's why you never knew it. You thought, you was gonna
make me pay up. JUDGE LAKE: Mr. Gayle. Mr. Gayle and Ms. Percy, I can't hear anymore
of this. (TEDRIA CRYING) (GRUNTS) I wanted him
to be my daddy! Why though? ERNEST: Lord have mercy,
Lord have mercy! He don't care.
He doesn't care. (CRYING) I want to go hug her. You know. And tell her
it's gonna be all right. ERNEST: I hate to hear
her crying like that. So do I. (GRUNTS) Ms. Carmon, you open
your case today in hopes of saving your
18-year marriage. You testify your husband
denies he fathered your four-year-old daughter
Ronayziah. But you plan on proving
paternity today.
Is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. Mr. Carmon, you say when the DNA results reveal
that you are not
Ronayziah's father, your marriage is over. You claim to have
bombshell evidence that proves another man
is the daddy. Is that correct? That is correct, Your Honor. So, Mrs. Carmon, what is at stake today? Your Honor,
18 years of marriage, twenty-seven we have been
together, today... Our life is really dependent
on what is gonna happen today. Wow! He went and rented...
He went and rented
an apartment... Am I gonna sleep
on the street? Turned it into
a boom-boom room. I had to pay... I had to pay
somebody $100 to go into the home
to see what was going on. It was party central. And so, a boom-boom room
is what, a party house? It's a party house. With women? With women. And everything else? And everything else. Jerome, you been
to a boom-boom room? That's why they call me
Jerome "boom-boom" Hamilton. (ALL LAUGHING) I learn new things every day
in this courtroom. So, Mr. Carmon,
you got yourself a boom-boom room
during the separation? That is correct. Oh! (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) "That is correct." You can enter that
into Evidence right now. And I'm not finished.
My stuff gets thrown out, what am I gonna do,
sleep in the front yard
with my stuff? No, I'm gonna
get me a roof. Okay, Your Honor. If you throw all my stuff out
on the front yard, where am I
going to go? I went and got
my own place. So, you say
she threw you out, so you went and got
your own place. RONALD: I came home
and she called me. I'm around the corner,
talking to my partner, she goes, "You know what?
(BLABBERING)" Like the
Tazmanian Devil. You know what I'm saying?
(BLABBERING) I'm like, "Lady,
what you talking about?" So, I come back
to the house, yard sale. JUDGE LAKE: Oh! So, you put his stuff out
and you had a yard sale,
Mrs. Carmon? Um... I did, Your Honor. All right, so you sold
his stuff and you put him out. So you had to get your stuff
and go get a place to live. Okay, I do want
to understand this part
where you decided... How did you even get
an inkling that it could be
a boom-boom room, and pay the person $100
to go in there
and infiltrate? Because the other...
His, uh... His family member? Yes. Came and picked me up,
and she told me... She said, "You must know
what's going on over there." So, we were staking out. We were actually staking out
for a while, before we came
to the conclusion that I needed to send
somebody up in there. And so, you would see
the people coming in and out? LAKISHA: Yes. So you decided, "I'm gonna pay
somebody $100." I did. And you did? I did. And they came back
and reported to you. He showed me a videotape.
I gave him the $100 bill, he showed me a videotape with him,
with all kinds of women
kissing on him, sitting all on his lap,
doing all kinds of stuff. JUDGE LAKE: Uh-oh. So, then, I decided
I gotta go do me. I'm not gonna sit around,
even though... And I can't believe
we had been married
so long, we should have been able
to work through this. But I wasn't about
to sit around.
I went and did me. I went and found somebody,
and I had to go and do me. So, you got yourself
your own boom-boom room? Yes, I got myself
my own boom-boom room. And then,
he found out about it. Hold on, you skipped
the part. So, during this time
you got yourself your own
boom-boom room, how many guys
were you dating? Oh, just one, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE:
Just one man? Oh, yes. I want
to understand this. After Ronayziah's
three years old, you get text messages,
they start off, and at some point,
you get a message
that says, "Thanks for being
a step-dad." But then, lastly,
they ask for a DNA test. Why would they specifically
ask for a DNA test if there was no question
of paternity. Why? Mmm-hmm. LAKISHA: Okay,
Your Honor. He mentioned a family member,
he never mentioned the man. So, the family member,
they wanted me to be with him. But the man never got to him
or harassed him about anything. Never said he did. But, listen, for them to send
a text to your husband, talking about Ronayziah,
after she's three years old, it seems to me
that for three years somehow this man
and this family have been thinking
and deliberating and trying to figure out is this baby his. This is in summer of 2011,
it was supposed to be
over with. The girl was three
going on four, but this is
six years later, they are asking
for a paternity test. Why? Oh. RONALD: Yeah. Mrs. Carmon? Yes, Your Honor. He's saying that
the window of conception does not match up
to the separation, it matches up
to a period of time when you are back
in the home supposedly
working on the marriage. Were you still having
a sexual relationship with this other man after you all decided
to work on our marriage? No. No. Were you in contact
with this man? Yes. JUDGE LAKE: You were? Yes. He was sending me messages
through social media. I had to block him. JUDGE LAKE: But now,
his family members now say they want
a DNA test. It doesn't add up. Are you sure you still
didn't have any dealings
with this man after you reconciled
with your husband? I did not have
no contact with him besides him contacting me
on social media,
and I blocked him. Did you ever tell
this other man he could be
the biological father? Absolutely not. It was... I hadn't messed
with that man
since 2011. Once I cut it off,
it was off. The only contact we had was him contacting me
on social media. There was no...
There was no relationship
or nothing going on. There's no way in the world
he cannot be her father. JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Carmon,
are you all right? (SOBBING) You're shaking. Before I read this result,
is there anything you need
to say to your husband? No. JUDGE LAKE: In the case
of<i> Carmon v. Carmon,</i> when it comes
to four-year-old Ronayziah Carmon, it has been determined
by this court, Mr. Carmon, you are the father. (WAILS) JUDGE LAKE:
Oh, Jesus. Oh, Lord. LAKISHA: I told you!
I told you! I told you! Okay. Get up, get up.
Come on, get up. Come on, get up. RONALD: We're up. JUDGE LAKE: Are you
all right, MS. Carmon? It's your daughter. And I'm glad. Now, I can continue being
the father I've been. Father of the year,
I got a trophy
this tall last year. (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) Well, you deserve a trophy
even taller for this year. RONALD: Thank you. You have
been through a lot. Ms. Carmon, there was
something in my heart, as I read that result,
that says to me there's something
you haven't told
your husband yet because you were worried. And when I read that result,
you were relieved.
