Do I regret using the 7950X3D CPU in my rig? Let's talk about it!

foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music] didn't see you come in this is a whole different look than you guys are used to isn't it this is me hanging out in my man cave right now but I want to leave you a follow-up on how the AMD system was going because of the fact that as you guys have probably seen from my build video and then my follow-up subsequent follow-up that I had a motherboard go bad so that sort of soured the initial experience but now that I've had the system in the you know house here for a while now and I've done some live streams with it I've got to spend quite a few hours gaming on it all of my thumbnails and stuff I made on the channel for the last little bit have been on this system I thought it'd be time to actually go ahead and give you guys you know a little bit of feedback on that but speaking of feedback I don't know anyway here's Wonderwall oh [Music] [Applause] the new T30 high quality PC fan from fanx features a three-phase motor dual Vapor maglev bearing 30 millimeter thickness for improved airflow and static pressure in a six year warranty making the T30 fan a single solution for all your cooling needs to see the full list of features click the sponsored Link in the description below let's talk about the 7950x3d and the fact that this video is edited by me on a weekend just me hanging out in here the lighting's gonna look weird the sound is probably going to be weird although the sound here is probably a lot better than our studio but moving on the 79x3d is a CPU that I said obviously I was going to base my next ah should I take it back let's rewind here I said I was going to use the 7950x as my CPU because of how uh impressed I was with the 7000 series AMD processors the reason why I went with AMD is because of the fact that we knew that the 7950 or the excuse me the x3d CPUs were going to be coming out as snobbish as it may sound the systems that I have at home like you see the one behind me which I guess we're kind of dubbing nebula 2.0 now even though technically it's a lower spec than what nebula was which had SLI in it before SLI was completely dead with two 28 atis um it was a it was a nice system but I had this downsize because the 928 case was just far too big so this is a 925 in win925 anyway if you haven't seen the build go and check it out you'll learn everything you need about those this build in those couple of videos I was running a 10 900k system in here which is not by any means a slow old system but I was starting to have some OS degradation lots of weird crashes uh you know I had been voltage tuned and it was running like 5.1 gigahertz all core somewhere around there it wasn't bad the problem is it's actually started to fall behind in terms of in terms of the IPC race um and just its General overall snappiness and I think it's because of how much progression we've seen since a 10900k came out with the 5000 series AMD processors and then obviously 11th gen 12th gen NL 13th gen the biggest question I keep getting is Jay why the heck did you choose AMD over Intel when I started this channel I was running an 8120 FX processor there is that was definitely nothing worth riding home for it was one of those processors you kind of find yourself going it's not a great processor but it's uh you know it was a good value as the ryzen line of processors came out and just got better and better and better it started to become an incentive for me to kind of take a chance with it because since the 8120 and then the 8350 that I swapped it out with uh later on I ended up having 3770k 47 90k Devil's Canon and then from there went into the X platform with x99 processors a few variations there then x299 and then I went back to mainstream after the x-series sort of got dropped and just kind of forgotten about with Intel I ended up then going back to mainstream with the 10900k I didn't have any other processors prior to that I ended up having a 9980xe 9th gen before the 10th gen and then that's where I left it she downsized the amount of cores that I had however uh it was one of those things where I wanted to go back to the the fast IPC the fast cork locks in the 9980xe just wasn't cutting it there not to mention it was a lot of heat a lot of voltage and it just was not doing it for me anymore so as I kind of watch what AMD was doing and Scott got to play around the 7950x processors the 7900x processor built a few systems with them I just became like completely shocked at how Snappy they were now I wasn't entirely sure if that was attributed just the fact that there was ddr5 I wanted to basically after nearly 10 years of using exclusively Intel rigs at home wanted to move on to an AMD rig and see over the last decade with the complete change of management that took place at AMD multiple times and now Lisa C was kind of been running things for a while now she was interim CEO and is now full-time CEO because she proved her competency there in running the company I want to know were things any better typical systems I ran with AMD all the way up to the 5000 series processors always had this sort of an asterisk next to them it was a great processor or great you know family processors but and that butt was usually it does wonky stuff like for instance first generation 1800x I ran an 1800x processor for a month I did a whole video about using it for 30 days I used it exclusively for all of my content creation at work all my gaming at work everything at work was done specifically with the 1800x that particular whole Fiasco started with a couple of bricked Asus boards ironically actually unironically I guess maybe foreshadowing when it was up and running it was great same thing with the 2000 series processors would run great but then you would get weird memory issues or memory compatibility issues and a lot of those things I basically just attributed to the fact that they were early generations of a new family of processor and it was going to take time for both motherboard manufacturers to up the build quality of their motherboards because here's the thing you could have Brands like gigabyte MSI Asus ASRock that built motherboards for both sides they built Intel motherboards and AMD motherboards for the FX motherboards even though you would have like Maximus for Intel which was like they're top of the line and just you had your formulas and jeans and all that sort of stuff they were more robust they were thicker pcbs everything about them just if weight was quality then they were quality but then you have a Crosshair motherboard for AMD which was um everything about it just felt cheaper and I think that was because if you looked at market share the bulk of the profit was going to come from Intel sales not AMD so why dump a ton of money into AMD board uh building when you couldn't justifiably charge a lot for those motherboards but anyway as digressing now as the build quality went up and the the market share started shifting back towards Center uh a lot of these Brands really started working with AMD and saying hey this is a this is a viable Justified platform for us to now do some r d and make it better so over the last two weeks or so that I've been running this system so as you guys have probably guessed by now I cannot run AMD Expo 1 or AMD Expo 2 with my particular 7950x 3D sample now I have two samples I could have switched it but I didn't because this is the one that I received and I'm it's just like let's say this is the lottery I went to Micro Center I grabbed one this is what I got I'm not gonna just throw another one in and be like it's great guys because that wouldn't be a real like opinion review now this is an opinion review I'm giving you my review from my use case I'm not giving you or how it's been for me I'm not giving a review that's saying here's how it compares to other products there's plenty of those out there now my review would be well late to the to the party on this one that's why I'm giving you an opinion or an op-ed here about how it's been for me so even before starting this video today again the other day I re-enabled XPO 2. I did get an email from Asus during my motherboard Issue video that I showed you guys that they gave me a lot of things to check a lot of things to tweak and whatnot and none of it matters I I cannot I cannot run expo at all with this CPU and this is the 6000 megahertz Ram which kind of stinks because 4 800 megahertz is obviously leaving a lot on the table now what I've done is I've manually moved it up to 5200 all the loose timings that it comes with out of the box again hasn't really seemed to been a problem ddr5 is such a huge upgrade over ddr4 I don't notice it in my particular workflows however if you do something Ram intensive you're going to notice it but this gaming or this CPU is intended for gaming so the fact that it's a gaming CPU that's sort of where I've spent a lot of my time with the exception of the fact that I will be editing this video on this CPU for the first time so it's disappointing though to know that I cannot run AMD Expo on this particular CPU now this still appears to be an x3d thing and that's going to be the case for 7900 X 3D 7800 x3d coming out I think it just has something to do with the the 3D V cache and fast memory another thing this is a four dim motherboard running for 4 sticks of any Ram with the x3d it's not good it doesn't boot it doesn't work now that's something that should improve over time but we've seen that with 7000 series uh when it first launched prior to the x3d and then over time it got a little bit better as those uh qbls and bios will increase the compatibility with ram sets the funny thing is that right now you can't even actually find a four dim Ram kit so that's the other half of the problem is the fact that when you run four six of ram you put an extreme amount of stress on the memory controller because the capacity goes way up so if I was to be running uh two two sets right now I'd have 64 gigs of RAM this is only a 32 gig kit 2 times 16. Phil on the other hand and his 13th gen is running 128 gigabytes of memory because he chews through it with his edit timeline and he has to actually run the memory all the way down at 4 000 megahertz which is 800 megahertz slower than base clock so I guess technically four thousand the base clap with 4800 is like where it tries to go it has to remove all that because there's a lot of stress I can't run four sticks at all period on this at least until we see some bios updates when it comes to gaming gaming has actually been pretty nice on this CPU let me give you an example the monitor you see behind me right here is a 3860 by 1600 that's a 38 inch Ultra wide LG it is not a 3440x1440. 3860 is PC 4K wide with 1600 pixels vertical so it is like in between a 16 by 10 panel and a 4K panel that's a 16x9 which just gives you this really odd resolution a really odd aspect ratio but it's a lot of pixels it's like three quarters of the way to 4K that's a lot of stress it's way more than a 1440p I had a 40 90 the the founders Edition card in my 10900k system that I was using for my live streams and stuff and realistically just trying to see if it would if it would burn up on me until they figured out that it was just poorly plugged in cables uh I never had an issue with it but what I did see was all sorts of FPS spikes and FPS dips and that's because of the fact that we know the 10900k would absolutely bottleneck a 4090. at this resolution I wasn't expecting that but that's what was happening so I was live streaming World of Warships which you know they upped their FPS cap of their engine from 75 up to 144 now I think it is somewhere around there but to see that even a game like World of Warships you know have major FPS dips and then see major CPU spikes was telling me that the 1000k was starting to age so going with something new was definitely uh one of the reasons why I chose AMD again could have gone 3900k I was concerned about temperatures with 3900k speaking of temperatures let's talk about this I'm running two 360 millimeter by 30 millimeter radiators uh one on top one on the front this is not the most optimized airflow case as you can see the front is sealed in the top is sealed so that air just gets splashed out the sides and a lot of that will get picked up by the rad and recirculated so it runs a little bit warmer in terms of water temp than say if it was a different more optimized fresh airflow case but it's not throttling at all it's getting pretty near its upper echelon of temperatures for instance if everyone send a bench R23 um that's a very difficult test to run with the Curve Optimizer at -30 on all of the cores because I do a per core curve Optimizer minus 30. um a scores a mid 37 000. now that is where a 7950x scores with no overclock whatsoever once there's an overclock applied to a 7950x non-3d it scores roughly 40 000. so this is about 2500 points lower than that but we know that that's because only one CCD has the Sac vram or the V cash and one cc does not and the overall clock speeds are lower but with a curb Optimizer at a minus 30 I'm getting 5.2 gigahertz all core on one of the ccx's and on the other CCX I'm getting uh 5050. there's a trade-off there if I were doing all my editing from home again if I were by myself doing okay I'm gaming on the side but the system is primarily for making videos 7950x all day non-3d but when it comes to games it is an absolute Beast now I'm running a 4090 strix card in here it's a water cooled strix which is just because of the fact that I want to run a water cooled card I'm not even overclocking it there's no point in overclocking a 40 90 at all even at this resolution this resolution 7860 by 1600 even with hard to get hard to run games like uh Hogwarts a legacy which is a a lot of people are calling the new crisis because it's not the most optimized I can lock the FPS at 120 there's 144hz panel uh I could lock it at 120. the reason why I locked at 120 is because when I do my live streams or 60fps streams and it's a complete half rate so that way if I go like 144 I won't get those weird drop frames that rendered uh in between like that does a stream rendered frame in between two game render trams which gets you the stutter so I lock it at 120. 120 all day long every day all settings like for Hardware Legacy all settings set to Ultra Ray tracing on all Ray tracing and again set to ultra locked at 120. so obviously a system like this should be no surprise that it's running a game like that at 120. Dead Space the Remake which again has an optimized um you know Graphics engine which is not the hardest to run I could run that at 200 plus FPS if I wanted again I lock it at resolution or 120 if I'm streaming never hiccups never moves never changes whatsoever so in terms of gaming so far it has been great as long as I'm not running AMD Expo now the curb Optimizer so far has been fine it doesn't change the voltage or anything really but I'll tell you right now it's because of the the V cash being extremely temperature sensitive it runs at a much lower voltage so that's why the TDP is so much lower you'll notice under load it runs at about 145 to 155 Watts 160 I believe is the max and even with the PBO or any of the curb Optimizer stuff set much higher than it would be at you know stock it doesn't really push the the voltage any higher it doesn't even push the wattage any higher it runs when I look over at my Center panel I'll see anywhere between 140 142 and sometimes I'll see 155 I'm like wow cool it must be cool right now now here's the thing that's confusing about temperatures we know that the new TJ Maxx is 89c which is down from 95 C on the non 3D and again that's because of the cache sensitivity to temperature I cannot find any sensors whether it be an 8064 or any of the motherboard sensors or hardware monitor because I like my sensor panels are a to 64 sensor panel so it talks to all the sensors the system sees I cannot find the sensor that matches the one The Heart ryzen Master is showing I'm starting to think that ryzen Master might be an average because we know one CCX is going to run hotter than the other either CCX or CCD I can't remember I keep calling it CCX which I know that called it on threadripper let's just go with that okay if it's a d fine whatever I have to assume it might be an average because of the fact one is running higher than the other the 3db cache clocks are lower and the other CCX or CCD is higher it has to be an average because any individual sensor that I see there's CPU there's CPU diode and their CPU package but when I compare core Temps they're all they're often lower than what I'm seeing as any of the CPU attempts reported so what I've opted to do is have my sensor panel showing me a hotter a hotter temperature than what ryzen Master is what I think it's showing me because I'm using CPU package I think it's showing me the hottest temperature reported in the package that's what I think is happening so I have no freaking idea what the temperatures are actually like on this one but I can tell you it hits the low 80s now what's weird about that is when my sensor panel will show it's hitting 81 82 83 it'll show like 77.78 in ryzen master so again I don't know uh you would think with this giant velocity 2 water block and two 360 millimeter radiators that I would be getting better than mid 80s but the thing is the architecture is designed to do it so it's going to push itself as close to that ceiling as it can so I can't be too upset about that I've never seen it get anywhere near 89 which is where it will start to throttle so I'm okay with that overall it does feel ironically cooler in this room even though I have a 40 90 in there now versus the 10900k because of the fact that the 1000k was still running over 250 Watts under load this is running 100 Watts lower than that so that's less Watts dissipated into the room which means less heat now over time it will still get pretty warm but overall it's a lot cooler in here that it's been so what do I plan to do if this system starts giving me headaches well I gotta I gotta ride it for a while I've got to just go through a few bios updates I've got to wait for it to mature a little bit before I can make my long-term decision my biggest fear actually is the Asus motherboard there have been so many reports of Crosshair hero and Crosshair extreme motherboards just failing bad motherboard traces apparently bad memory traces have been discovered which is kind of I think on the extreme specifically which I think is exactly what happened with my Asus hero um it's been frustrating and considering the fact that the problems did not show themselves until a week later has been very scared for am I going to last a month two months six months if it starts to become problematic then what I will more than likely do is keep the 7950x3d but I'll probably switch to another brand like gigabyte or heck even the Tai Chi has been a great board the ASRock tai chi I love that motherboard for the 7950x because I could literally say curb Optimizer -30 ADC maximum temp tune and go and it will do all the settings it needs to get you the max performance with those settings and it's sick I kind of wish I'd use that motherboard realistically I didn't because the color theme clashed because it's brass and black and it doesn't go with this build it is shallow why I chose not to use it but again for a theme build like this the theme mattered again far from a full review just a little bit of an op-ed on how the last week has been so far I can recommend the 7950x 3D to a tinkerer somebody likes to Tinker with their system because here's the reality I still have a little bit of anxiety no not knowing if I go to push that power button if it's gonna post it sucks but that's part of adopting the bleeding edge and it's also part of adopting bleeding edge so I can give you guys feedback and re report on my experience with using these particular CPUs that way you guys know what may be you know in store for you if you decide to go with it so far I'm happy the memory hasn't had to retrain every time I turn it on which is something that was happening before I am using the Kingston uh RAM in there right now so not the Corsair stuff but that's just because I like the colors and I had to run IQ it could just tie in with the motherboard Armory crate and I'm happy with that so you guys need to tell me now do you want me to give you another update say 90 days from now uh short of anything happening in the meantime sound off down below if you guys would like me to do that and as always thanks for watching and this video is not going to edit itself but I like to relax and play guitar so I suck I'm also holding it really weird [Music] all our systems are just Dust in the Wind anyway or the Dust in the Wind makes its way in your system I'm not sure actually all that dust is just skin which is just really gross if you think about it [Music] thanks for watching

Channel: JayzTwoCents

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Keywords: jayztwocents personal rig, jayztwocents pc, 7950x3d, custom gaming pc, custom gaming computer, gaming computer, gaming pc, personal computer, watercooled pc, watercooled computer, water cooled computer, watercooled 4090, 4090, rtx, rtx 4090, dead pc, gaming pc died, my pc died

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Length: 21min 36sec (1296 seconds)

Published: Mon Mar 20 2023

Reddit Comments

[u/Oooch]

I'm guessing no if he's posed it as a question in the title

[u/DHJudas]

The biggest problem is the COMPLETELY blind insistence on using ASUS boards for everything, this applies to the copious number of people on this subreddit and all over the place.

ANYONE doing even basic level research would recognize that asus wasn't doing that great of a job, but because so many damn people just kept pushing it based on no facts or justification other than "they sell a lot and people buy it".... it kept snowballing.

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While i don't expect EVERY person to be able to buy "all the boards" from all the brands, to then test them over extensively (longer than any review would bother with), validating and factoring in all the aspects of a product, anyone that spent any significant time doing extensive QC/QA would recognize that Asus even at the launch of AM4 was one of the worst choices, rather is the worst choice and they NEVER got better, every generation and even testing revisions of existing boards just showed the Asus was just firing this shit out and banking on the name alone. It's baffling how easily consumers willfully get screwed by doing it, it's mostly due to consumers being lazy and brand loyal.

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In the case of jayz, he suspected/blamed the CPU, leaned heavily that way over the motherboard. Hell even linus often constantly focuses on using asus in a ton of their builds. In my thorough lab testing and then got repeatable results from others in which we share results with to validate for deployment situations (contracts or consulting for large businesses looking at purchasing systems in mass potentially), AsRock, the constantly overlooked brand, never once moved from the top spot for the entire AM4 platform lifespan thus far. Pretty much 0 reviews or anyone online with any level of influence EVER seems to use it or discuss it. Again bizarre.

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A lot of the problems i find people such as Jayz or numerous others that end up having an issue are often a problem related to the boards they choose and not an inherent problem with the platform on a whole but completely glaze over the boards and bios as the factor and generally tends to broadly paint the issues as something that affects everything. Case in point the 1800x experience and how so many people broadly still believe that the ryzen 1000 launch and even many of the 2000 series had weak and problematic memory issues. I among many have been able to prove that the IMC of those chips WITHIN a month of launch were more than capable of working on boards that simply didn't exhibit the issue, I've even low tier 1000 series ryzens running 3433/3600mhz out of the box problem free even on 300 series boards still. I've also moved enough cpus from asus and gigabyte and specially a few MSI boards to asrock resulting in completely different experience.

I'm not an AsRock brand loyalist or fanatic, It's just a matter of fact that to my own shock, they provided the best solution of them all. Never ever have i recommend asrock previously because i couldn't...

[u/Tributejoi89]

Gross idc wtf Jay uses as I refuse to watch his garbage content.