Destiny 2 Lore - IT EXISTS! The Winnower is REAL! The Witness' Truth & Creation in Darkness!

[Music] greetings Guardians my name is B here okay  we should definitely touch on this I wanted   to wait until my own spoiler embargo had elapsed  to start covering something like this but to put   it bluntly this is a big spoiler if you've somehow  gotten this far and somehow want this reveal to be   left for you to uncover on your own please leave  now also go play The Raid you get it there so if   that said let's talk about that one line that I  wanted to save for myself which meant I didn't   cover this until I saw it myself in the raid and  my own spoiler embargo had elapsed a line that   confirms everything that some of us law Scholars  have suspected for a long long time take a listen you fear answers fear the truth you claim to  seek look Beyond this dying Garden or rot in   entropy each child we save from the game you again  Force to play you call us win we are not but the   first knife clutched in its hand Gods forged  us both but I cannot tell the KN what she to carve this line this one line of dialogue has  confirmed to us the Scale of the Universe before   us and has done more to confirm almost a decade's  worth of law speculation than any anything else in   the game or its law the witness puts it bluntly  here in what it thinks is its moment approaching   Victory it tells us that it is not the win equally  in the sentence where the witness states that Gods   forged us both it seems to state that the wiowa  does in fact exist and that it as its first   knife is the result of the win's creation to put  that into context for those who don't understand   the significance of this and to muddle a few  metaphors quite greatly this is the equivalent   of us learning that God and the devil are real and  that right now we have been fighting nothing more   than one of the devil's underlings that's gone  Rogue and that they have been in the background   of our story this whole time momentarily I  want to cut here and just say that later on in   the video we're going to talk about some more law  implications for the win's Existence and questions   that inevitably get answered later on but for the  moment here and now I think I need to get everyone   on the same page so with the benefit of a little  hindsight and with the understanding of unveiling   better displayed to us let's talk about what the  winow is to put it simply the winow is one of two   Godlike figures that if we're to believe them were  one of the true progenitors of all the things in   the destiny universe as we know them alongside the  Gardner the winow was a force at the beginning of   the universe or before the beginning of the  universe that defined the shape of all things   that followed this is based on the unveiling  texts but those texts are no less important   even though it's clear that some of their context  is metaphorical I'm going to need to break down a   lot of law to create a more concrete timeline of  the exact events at the beginning of the universe   there is one event that we know must have been  true and that's that the gardener and the winow   fought within the Garden at the beginning of  time supposedly they quote brought down the   tree of Silver Wings and left it stumped to smoke  amid The Meadows something we know that must have   happened because at this point we've seen it it's  there in Garden of Salvation at the heart of the   raid We rise to meet that distant Mesa and it  turns out that it isn't a Mesa at all it's a   stump the remains of a tree its roots still nled  and burned out it might not necessarily be the   same tree in the metaphor it might not necessarily  mean that the metaphor of the story of unveiling   is all true but we do know that something brought  down this tree of Silver Wings and at current The   Gardener and the win are our key suspects this  occurred because of a fundamental philosophical   disagreement according to the win all the way  back when they were playing something known   as the flower game a series of possibilities that  played out in front of them in repeated Pats that   always reached the same shape the gardener desired  an additional rule that allowed for complexity to   exist in this flower game and for life to exist  beyond the persistent final shape that occurred   within the universe that always triumphed a shape  that always followed the same pattern needed to   no longer be the only Victor in The Gardener's  eyes there needed to be something more complex   that could grow please do note this final shape  that I make reference to within the flower game is   not the same as the final shape as the witness  perceived of it this is the final shape in more of   a manner as the hive know it a universe where only  the strongest life survives from that disagreement   the winow looked down and supposedly the first  knife had appeared in his hands this is a crucial   moment within the law as it contextualizes the  rise of the witness and gives us an idea of what   the winow was response to the gardener might  have been and it it also gives us an opening   moment I believe for the entire light and dark  Saga so let's go ahead and read from unveiling   and read the allegory of the first knife from the  first knife law entry it reads as follows I looked   up in shock I said what what do you mean a special  new rule something to The Gardener threw up their   hands and ex aspiration I don't know to reward  those who make space for new complexity a power   that helps those who make strength from heterodoxy  and who steer the game away from gridlock   something to ensure there's always someone  building something new it'll have to be separate   from the rest of the other Rules running in  parallel so it can't be compromised and will have   to be very careful so it doesn't disrupt the whole  game all you will do I said with Rising Panic Fury   is delay the dominant pattern that will overrun  the others it is inevitable one final shape no   it'll be different everything will be different  every way you look everything will be the same   your new rule will only make great false cysts of  horror full of things that should not exist that   cannot withstand existence that will suffer and  scream as their Rich blisters fill with a fluent   and rot around them and when they pop they will  blight the whole garden whatever exists because   it must exist and because it permits no other way  of existence has the absolute claim to existence   that is the only law no The Gardener said I am the  growth and preservation of complexity I will make   myself into a lore in the game and thus we too  became parts of the game and the laws of the game   became gomic and open to change by our influence  and I had only one purpose and one principle in   the game and I could do nothing but continue  to enact that purpose because it was all that   I was and ever would be I looked at the gardener  I looked at my hands I discovered the first knife when the witness calls itself the first knife it  is referencing unveiling here for certain but I   think we can map This Moment onto history namely  the history of the precursors and use it to get   even greater context on the creation of this  terrible being of power that we would one day   come to know as the witness we can also use it to  get more context on the actions of the win I feel   I do want to say that what I'm putting forward  here is purely theoretical because I'm trying to   transcribe analogy and myth into real chronology  with sound events so don't take what I'm about to   say as absolutely true this is just my thoughts  and interpretations with that said I think that   the moment where the gardener and the win became  a part of the game is the same moment where they   appeared within the universe and created great  structures for themselves I think this might   have been the moment where the gardener and the  wiowa created the veil and the traveler following   This Moment The Gardener or rather the traveler  was discovered by the precursor civilization and   the traveler gave them the abundance that we've  come to know from it but the precursor people   sought purpose amongst their plenty purpose that  the traveler wasn't willing to give and so they   searched the universe for it and eventually found  the veil linked cosmically to the signal of the   traveler two of a similar family if the win was  within the veil or was in control of it or was   somehow linked to it then it was likely the force  that led the precursor people to the original   principle of combining the light and darkness  by bringing the veil and the traveler together   the win would have then been in the perfect place  to create change within the precursors after the   traveler left and to create the conditions for  their change into the witness the precursors and   the witness by extension were his first knife  they knew who created them and the witness   well it didn't care because their purpose was made  clear from the moment onwards they knew that they   would find their own way and enforce the final  shape as they saw it hence why they state that   the win cannot control how the first knife carves  so with that in mind perhaps there is much more   context to the beginning of the story of Destiny  now and that context has been lended To Us by   the slow and steady motions of the gardener  and winow across this great game that they   play we also have a little further reinforcing  law on this topic which I just have to share with   you all it comes from a ship that you get from  the pale heart destination and that ship what   do you know is called the first knife it details  a conversation and discussion between marov and   aor Ray this discussion contemplates the role of  the witness and whether it is linked to something   else further out I think it's worth remembering  that when Bungie does this sometimes it is a   red herring and sometimes it alludes to something  more in the story keep both possibilities in mind   and let's see what they have to say the ship's  L tab reads as follows when I first encountered   the witness I heard it proclaimed to me we are the  first knife Mara's words are as thin as her hopes   she looks Hollow under the Helm's emergency  lighting hunched over a console watch ing an   ascending red line on a graph something about  the lon's inevitable upward climb had triggered   her memory they have to follow the witness into  the traveler and soon it was as if the title held   power meaning Mara says as the line ticks up again  she leans away from the console turning to look   at iora who stands staring intently at the portal  she feels the same uptick in energy coming from it   aora nods watching Mara's reflection the  apocryphal texts we dug up on the moon the ones   Aris translated mentioned the knife as a concept  Mara comes to stand beside aora and even if we   consider that unveiled text as dogmatic propaganda  there may be truth behind the allegory she agrees   remembering the texts and the translations Aris  made of them the knife becomes the metaphor of   a concept a power a knife that winnows cutting  things into a defined shape a power that winnowed   living beings into taken aora turns to face Mara  searching for the awoken Queen's eyes her power   orx wielded her emphasis on the last word makes  her point and Mara picks up on it you're wondering   if the knife is a title or a power Mara deciphers  ior's Steely countenance did orx wield the power   of the witness Like a Knife aora shifts her gaze  back to the portal the witness is a manipulator   it distorts the truth to bend the wills of its  supplicants the allegorical fantasy told To Us   by the witness paints itself as a monolithic  Cosmic Force but perhaps that's a shadow cast   by the truth Mara watches aora sensing her ease  a little this idea has tempered ior's earlier   anxieties over the future this conversation has  tempered her own after all even though her brother   feels distant and faint in the moment he is out  of her mind a knife is a tool wielded by another's   hand Mara offers if the witness is the knife  as it asserts then what wields it aora asks the   traveler though it does not reply the words are  meant for maraz as too the witness is not a being   she agrees it is the culmination of a bleak ethos  weled into existence by the nistic desires of its   creators is their will the hand on the knife  or is there something else aorus fingers slip   from the corners of Revelation and her thoughts  plummet into more intimate worries and doubts   Mara sees her fall and lets herself tumble into  the same precipice joining her in worry I don't know this conversation is of note not just  because it seems to double back on the idea   that the witness is not necessarily the creator  of the taken but a wielder of them in the same   way that orx was thus implying that the power to  do so is from a common source but it also further   contextualizes the witness's statements about  it being the first knife it also poses that last   ominous question to us even though the witness  says it was independent of the winner was will   is that really true is it truly a knife all unto  itself or is it a tool being wielded by another   an Implement to do the bidding of one who holds  it and so that makes me wonder further why would   the win create the witness especially after the  witness brought about a risk to the hall of EX   existence as we know it as far as I can see there  is only one answer to this question again it's   theoretical so don't take it as truth or treat it  dogmatically but just think of it as one possible   answer to this question the only one that I can  see at the moment I think the win was trying to   introduce Darkness Into the Heart of the traveler  and I think in this moment if this was the goal   of the WIA by introducing the witness into the  pale heart it succeeded this might have been   the play that the WIA has been trying to enact  for a long time after all why create something   which goes against your own goals if in the  process of accomplishing its own goals yours   also succeed bringing Darkness Into the Heart of  the traveler and enacting its version of the final   shape was something we inevitably would rise to  stop but the interface of light and dark within   the traveler is now the result of the witness's  meddling and is the result of us entering within   its pale heart as well we might have furthered  the goal of the witness and its designs in this   long long game of existence but what happens why  was this done what was the ultimate goal was it   to change the perspective of the gardener was it  to change the power of the light was it to change   the traveler was it to release the Echoes was it  something that we still haven't seen I don't know   the questions that evolve from this point will  be Myriad and will Merit constant revision and   dis discussion but for the moment I think I can  tell you this definitively the win isn't a myth   anymore it exists as concrete and confirmable  as the witness was it was the force that led to   the creation of the witness its first knife the  flower game Marches On and the next moves made in   that game will be like waves battling against the  shore finally before we end this video I wanted to   discuss a few blunt questions that people might  have and to give you my takes on them first of   all can we kill the wiow maybe this is an entity  of immense cosmic power and it would be no small   feat but if the traveler can be wounded and if  the traveler is then linked to The Gardener then   perhaps something similar is possible to the  win through the means of the veil that's very   speculative though should we kill the WIA is the  next question and to this I say maybe not if a   single hypothesis of the universe light and dark  and how all things have existed prevails now it   seems to be that of Ulan who states that the light  and dark must exist together and if they don't   exist together then well truly there is damnation  for all of the universe if the winow and Gardener   have existed since before the dawn of time killing  one of them might fundamentally upend the universe   as we know it and so maybe we need to understand  more about this new potential foe before we engage   it in combat and before we seek to remake the  universe without it in the picture and lastly will   we see the win in future storylines and to this  I have to say undoubtedly yes unlike the gardener   who is willing to stay silent and allow us to  make our own complex Fates make our own purposes   and give us the gifts needed to accomplish them  along the way the wi has one purpose the sword   logic that Majestic shape of Victory realized by  The Hive simple idea that only the strongest thing   in the universe will survive it has no reason to  be passive in this universe it may start to see   its own plans unfold if it is to be passive then  it is to watch things continue to fulfill that   purpose of dying until the universe guts out to  one thing one perfect Majestic final shape but I   believe that there will be some who are indeed  reached out to by this great being after all I   believe it's reached out to others before this  moment sure as I am of anything I am now sure   that it was the win not the witness that spoke  to orx in the books of Sorrow when orx created   and sacrificed an Unbound ogre within the depths  of his own Throne world when he walked into the   deep with the tablets of Ruin and when the Deep  itself arrived I believe that was the win not the   witness if the win does reach out and speak to us  I expect that it is intervening to accomplish its   direct purpose that appears to be its goal after  all a goal that it has been trying to fulfill   since its existence began if it decides to act  soon or even now it will change the fate of the   universe forever the light and dark Saga is over  but in the next Saga I wonder already what sword   will replace the first knife we have yet to see  there will inevitably be more stuff on the win I   don't know this to be true but I've heard Whispers  that the winow is prominently mentioned or maybe   even is the perspective speaking within the raid  law having only unlocked one book myself I can say   that that's not universally true the first book  of the law book comes from the witness that much   I know that being said more needs to be discovered  and I need to discover all of that for myself my   first impressions of the salvation's edge raid  will be coming at some point soon but I still   need to get a team together to actually complete  it this however was too juicy not to initially   talk about and people have been asking for this  for a very long time so I figured I'd get right to   it and make sure we covered this anyway thank you  very much for watching and if you enjoyed it go   ahead and let me know Down Below in the comments  section and please leave your own thoughts too   this is a major top IC I'm very interested to  see if I've missed something here that being   said if you want more Destiny law and more videos  from me go ahead and hit subscribe and the bell   next to subscribe and welcome to the 25,000 new  subscribers this month alone very nice to have   you all that being said know that as per usual  your viewership as always is quite enough for me   and that in the meantime my name has been my name  is B rasia arastra I'll see EU starside [Music]

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Length: 22min 56sec (1376 seconds)

Published: Wed Jun 12 2024