Debate & Talk Show - Nouman Ali Khan, Omar Suleiman, Abdul Nasir Jangda - Singapore 2015

Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa l-hamdu lillahi rabbil aalameen salat wa salam o allah say L AM be a evil mousseline wala an evil sorry here's mine so let's get started right away inshallah the first topic that I wanted to talk about is something very personal to me I don't come from a very religious background and when I did come towards Islam I was in New York and the thing about New York is depending on which mustard you go you get a different brand of Islam so and each they don't just call themselves Muslim they have another label next to them we are this kind of Muslim that kind of Muslim this school of thought that school of thought this jihad jihad they're these different names and we're not going to be naming names in this discussion but certainly it was the case that each each of those groups some more accepting of others than than than others some of them are very exclusive if you're not part of us then you're not even in proper Islam you're misguided and all those people are going to hell etc etc right and their majority of their energy was spent talking about how they're right and everybody else is wrong and yet other groups their emphasis was on some completely different things some other piece of Islam and they said if you don't emphasize on this if this is not what you're about then how are you even Muslim right so each of these groups or each of these kinds of identities they have their own very distinct very strong brand of Islam and this is not just a problem in New York City it's actually a problem across the oume right so a lot of times when I travel I get asked what kind of Muslim I am and I all I can say is the weird kind I don't know what else I can tell what to tell you because they you need to put some kind of label there right and it is alhamdulillah like for for many Muslims this is not a problem they've been raised in a village everybody's the same and there's never again they're not going to see a Muslim that looks different or has a different school of thought but you know we're in a in a cosmopolitan world now you guys are living in cities that are international and people are coming and they're praying in Salah together that don't belong to the same school of thought no two people are holding hands in the same place right and whether or not people are sitting there for the ten minutes for the dough after the Salah at the eighth kalos Allah some people are getting up and leaving and the people who are sitting there getting offended by the guys that are leaving and the guys we're leaving and saying these guys are so confused why are they still sitting there so there's there's all of this these dynamics that can create unnecessary tension between Muslims right and it can it can create a kind of resentment mistrust and unhealthy attitude towards the Muslim community because we we check whether or not they're close enough to us before we think of them as Muslim right and so I wanted to bring that to at least in my observation it's been something that I've learned to like let go of and not make an emphasis in my life when people come up to me and talk to me about them being Muslim I don't ask what kind of Muslim they are you know I just I just want to talk to them the fact that they accept online is Messenger is good enough for me the rest is with you know their own journey and chawla they grow in it etc but I wanted to get you guys as thoughts and your experiences are different from mine so why don't you hear from you you know how you've dealt with sectarianism and where you think we can go as and oh my to get beyond it inshallah so just to keep the conversation a little bit more informal and on a personal level because I think that's the vibe that you're going for I grew up in a community many of y'all like both of y'all were attracted to the community that you know we all live in now because of the absence of a lot of that mentality and there was a lot more cohesion and unity across the board but it wasn't always like that and there were definitely different pockets of the community so I grew up in a community where there was a lot of division in that regard you were one type of Muslim or you are another type of Muslim or you just were you know maybe not even Muslim to a lot of the other people one of the perspectives that I kind of grew up with was I had a huge realization about like 15 years ago where I realized a lot of the guys and you know sisters that grow up in my generation who grew up in the middle of that type of ideological warfare most a lot of them ended up losing their Islam a lot of them ended up not losing completely their iman but definitely giving up on being part of the community ever and because of this because of this because it was Islam basically became just something you fight about Islam was demonstrated as being something you fight about and so a lot of times when I'm asked a question by students or community members because we talk a lot about community all of us do and kind of our vision and perspective on community so they kind of they asked me where does your perspective or vision on community come from so I end up telling them that I grew up in a community that was very divisive so I just decided to look back at that entire experience and note it down as what not to do in a community and one realization that I came to is one extreme breeds together and almost all of these movements and different mentalities are very reactionary to one another they all justify their conduct their behavior their perspective their rhetoric against other people they justified as a response to somebody else yeah so you know when I was learning one of the my formula became if I'm listening to some shake or something and I'm very old so you listen to cassette tapes and so but I listen them if they're in their tapes they were talking about how misguided or deviated those people are I stopped listening like I don't have time to learn about what's wrong I just I'd rather learn something that's right kind of thing you know it was just far too much energy spent on here are the eight groups that are going to hell like okay can we talk about the group that's going to heaven like Omer so I think that we can't be shy about this we have to be realistic about it historically speaking most calls for pluralism in any faith tradition have actually failed miserably because they were too superficial they were they ignored just realities that were that we're going to always be there and instead of confronting issues at the core they just tried they were just general calls very shallow calls very happy-go-lucky calls of what song it was a very fluffy call for pluralism so I think we have to be very honest number one one thing that we can agree upon first and foremost and it's sad that we even have to mention this in this day and age is that you don't you don't actually become violent against any other group of Muslims any any group of people period over theological differences I mean I did not be thought about all the allotted on who was killed by the holodeck he was killed by one of you know this violent group that the prophets why some said would resurface in every single generation in some way shape or form basically people that make tech feet of other Muslims and people that will kill people and so on so forth but when he was asked whether there whether we should consider them non-muslims he said he said if one above a wedding they are our brothers who have transgressed against us that we're not going to resort to their you know understanding and their labeling and so on so forth so number one it has to be very clear that no matter how deviants if a person is indeed deviance because these and these were indeed deviant people beyond deviant people you don't get to a point where you start becoming a tech theorist and you start saying things about other people and so and so forth then you have to understand levels of sectarianism there are fifth schools of thought which have been acceptable throughout the history of the Ummah one thing that has always made us not very unique is that that there is a creed that is that that unites us as an Ummah almost almost across the board that 90% of the OMA loosely associates with the same major tenets within creed that's not heard of in any other faith tradition right you see sects and other faith traditions they disagree on fundamentals in Creed and theology we don't have that so the idea is then fill differences are acceptable but how you act with those differences we have to be also very honest that we're not living in a time of Imam Manoa we maillard lazatti or even taenia these people that knew how to deal with differences in the civilized fashion so then it's about it's not about changing it's not about making those differences disappear it's about teaching people how to how to have mature discourse about those flippin differences without becoming uncivilized or abusive towards the other person yeah like I mean give you a practical example I've been in masajid where you know there's a group that believes that you cannot do Mussa over your socks unless they're leather and the Imam is okay with cotton socks now they're not funny by the way oh really you're okay with Khan so I don't know I didn't check out your socks but anyway but uh would you like to know they're probably too long I put your socks on though more like stockings but anyway but anyway what was I saying yes so they see the amount guy lead the prayer and they're like maybe he did muster over his cotton socks and they'll repeat their prayer don't like just go in the back of the Russian and repeat their prayer they wouldn't even pray behind me they just pray during the general well they'd be prayed by mistake because they joined the second or car hey so that's why they joined in but then they find out that oh my god this guy his feet are so not just right now and then they go back and they you know repeat and that to me is pretty disturbing that's a pretty disturbing like okay it's a 50 difference but it's now become like division inside a Masjid and about even something as basic as the acceptability of Salah so it can become pretty extreme what do you think about that yeah it's it's basically a lot of times there's two there's two dynamics that present themselves at least what I've seen there's a lack of education and you know there's an there's an undeniable quality of knowledge and education that so many people have experienced when they begin to educate themselves and they start to learn is that as occasion and learning will always broaden your mind it'll always broaden your perspective well it depends if you're learning from a cult than no exactly and so then there so today then you're learning so that then there's a critique in terms of the quality of the education right so whenever there's quality of education and somebody's putting the knowledge first and foremost and letting so it comes up the issue of information bias if you if you approach knowledge with an information bias then it's not going to have the desired result an outcome right so there's that one issue that I'll tell you my thoughts on this like you guys are free to critique them from an average Muslims perspective I have a few observations one we don't have a basic education in Sharia or filk and things like that these are not things that most Muslims are well-acquainted with they're just not practically speaking so they're going to rely on somebody who knows more than them or they're going to Google whatever they're going to Google right which means that pretty much all of us are going to have a different conclusion because we relied on virtually different sources to get our answers right that's the first thing the second thing is we're not nearly as as an OMA we're not nearly on the same page on even basic things anymore as we used to be we have too much access to information and we our minds operate very very differently so we're going to get different conclusions all of us and then you're going to come to someone like me or Homer more qualified and check on glass or like and say well I heard that you can pray like this but I also heard you can do it like this and I already can you tell me which one's right because you're going to hear like eight things and you don't know which one to go with and in that scenario I think the only practical thing to do for me my the advice I have for myself and I'd have for all of you is you have to find somebody you can trust that knows more than you in your community online wherever you find them no not me not feel not online non online no okay not absolutely not online that's part of the problem is that it's online you can't you can't go to a fifth you can't go to a federal website and structure your own school of thought in your own practices and according to that you have to have at least someone what even if they're not a scholar someone that's at least somewhat of a student of knowledge that can properly process that information and bring it to your level that's actually one of the problems is the online education I mean pure online education so that's one step but there's a problem with that step two and the problem with that step is when you rely on somebody else for information they're human being right and they they may they may tell you something that your heart is not settled on like wait that doesn't make sense to me that doesn't add up and then you feel like well if questioning them is the same as questioning Islam itself that's not true this religion is actually rooted in you having the right and the ability to ask critical questions if you don't understand something or you're not convinced of something you're not a cafe or a fasiq or a Shaitaan for asking questions you can totally ask questions and you can totally say wait that doesn't make sense to me could you help me understand this better and the answer to that is not supposed to be well how can you disagree who are you you should be ashamed of yourself and instead of this guilt tripping we need to create a culture especially among our people of knowledge that they patiently answer questions with convincing arguments not guilt tripping and not reminding people that well by the way we're scholars and you're not because that's just not going to in in one generations time you're going to get a huge population of Muslims who want nothing to do with religiously knowledgeable people because they'll say these people think too highly of themselves and they don't dignify us with intelligent answers they just say we'll take it from me because I'm sure you kind of thing now I don't think that's going to fly in this generation well the second thing I was going to mention was that aside from just an absence of you in basic education the second factor that I feel contributes to this a lot of times is the absence or a vacuum of leadership good qualified trained leadership creates a lot of these dynamics and problems I had a particular experience it's going to sound very obscure random but with some of my teachers we actually traveled I studied in Pakistan and then we traveled through parts of the country that were like very rural yeah so we ended up in like the mountain regions and we were just kind of going through there carrying supplies and taking things and we cut this part of the recording layer haha but went into the mountains in pocket yeah it's there what's it why it was like relief work okay yeah yeah relief yeah so it will you weird we're visiting all these like villages and rural folks and we saw two very different cultures in different villages different towns there were some of them that didn't have any type of like you just said maybe not like some Scot super scholar but even just a generally qualified student of knowledge advanced student of knowledge didn't have anybody and just their understanding of Islam was very warped there was a lot more sectarianism a lot more division a lot more bizarre things in their ideas and then we came across some villages where there was like a very you know moderate humble Imam who wasn't maybe the most qualified person but had studied for a few years with some teachers and the culture of that entire village and those people was so drastically different they were so enlightened and open-minded and that person was accessible exactly so there's a there's a there's an absence of leadership that contributes to a lot of these things and so now a lot of general folks here I would say or maybe asking what are we supposed to do about that that's why it's kind of reciprocal leadership serves and builds a community but communities when they realize that they have an absence of leadership communities need to commit themselves and their resources to training and developing leadership and that needs to be a community initiative that how do we develop more leaders from within our community from within our young people how do we pull some of our talent together to develop young leadership that can help to bridge that gap in the community and I think that that's one of the things is making scholarships so unapproachable like as if it's a class of profits you know and also this idea that you can only that that either go overseas whatever that even means anymore and study and become our Adam or don't touch Islamic knowledge at all whereas many of the things that we learn in our institutions now are pretty much what the average Muslim would have known decades and centuries ago these are things now that require you to become a ship right or that you go through this program and that makes you into a scholar or student of knowledge or whatever you have these were things that the basic Muslim would know and so the problem I mean the way that you I think that that you at least in this situation and I'll say this I I think our situation when it comes to sectarianism on the fifth level on the fifth level is actually not as bad as it's been in most times we're actually progressive in that sense okay now when it comes to scholarship being approachable a loss Prentiss has added they ask the people of knowledge in kuntum that animal if you don't know one of the reasons for the the backlash that the Catholic Church has faced is because there was this unapproachable religious class that you know most people that converted from Catholicism to Islam will tell you that when I grew up in my Catholic Church when I asked my not a question I got smacked across the face and many people had a similar upbringing within an Islamic context as well that if they ask questions they were reprimanded and they were chastised what that does is it reflects an insecurity on the part of the scholar or on the part of the teacher and then it also causes a natural aversion you haven't solved the problem of doubt within that person that within that young person that asks actually you've only convinced them that you don't have the answer right that's what so you have to find that way to to speak to them and when it comes to fit I mean it's a very simple solution method would on me are allow me when they said that momentum that the commoner does not have a school of thought his school of thought is the school thought of his shape of his scholar the person that he goes to the person that he responds to but that ship should be approachable that chair should be able to answer questions that shake should not treat himself like he's infallible if that person does not give answers to those questions and if that person does not live a lifestyle that's also you know indicative of the sin of the prophet sallallaahu idealist of them then that's a person that I don't need to be talking to her going to for my Islamic knowledge of that this is this person should represent the product that I want to arrive at as well the state that I want to arrive at as well and it should be a realistic attainable state with my own daily living and so on so forth has to be it has to be a two-way street like you said you can't have cultish like scholars or people that put themselves in positions of infallibility and you can't have followers that know absolutely nothing about the religion where they can't they can't distinguish the most deviant concepts of the religion or deviant concepts that are coming to the religion yeah and one thing that factors into this something we've talked about extensively over the years is a lot of times the monopolization of Islamic knowledge as well you just alluded to it where it's in all-or-nothing mentality there you study for 10 years or then you have nothing to do with knowledge altogether one of the things that I'm very grateful to Allah for and I kind of pride you know myself on is a lot of what we've been able to do and kind of how we've approached that right that why does there have to be in all-or-nothing ontology two mentality with Islamic knowledge right granted somebody who studied you know maybe a couple of years should not qualify themselves at some but at the level of somebody you study ten years but nevertheless there should there should be options at all different levels you know that's why we have something like the dream program and then students come to column at the seminary and we do Quran intensive and you know different layers and levels of qualification knowledge are also very important so people can start to develop their own filters for what they're being told and what they're being fed as that's at the end of the day what it is folks like I think it's just being about being a knowledgeable consumer like the more you're not going to maybe you don't want to become a quite a good analogy knowledgeable consumer yeah because you know you're you have some basic information you're constantly learning for yourself and as you learn more you learn to ask more intelligent questions right if you never learn to begin with then you're just going to be spoon-fed whatever you're told and you're not going to know whether this is right or wrong you're going to always be unsure about or you're just going to be a lot of times you'll just be taken for a ride and taken advantage of you know there are there are people that teach religion and take advantage of people and that happens in the Oman its collective as well by the way as an ohm away we let politics dictate our sectarianism and what that means is we foolishly buy into the narrative that all of a sudden all these ideological wars are arising organically and and we we actually buy into these proxy wars that are taking place you know in the Middle East and we actually consume them here as well and we take them in it's it just doesn't make sense you know people when when situations are stable in countries when people have economic and political stability they tend to get along even if they have theological differences when they're when there are other things at stake that's when the religious rhetoric is you know becomes inflammatory yeah because it benefits one groups political situation or economic situation so we have to we also can't be fools and just buy into this and think hey you know now all of a sudden you know we have to fight this group and we have to fight that group we need to be a little bit smarter about not being played by external forces into these you know into these arguments and into these wars I'll just say a couple of quick things and we'll move on to the next subject I think that like at least for myself I realize a lot of people send me emails right they ask me questions and they ask me any questions and a particular kind of question is what do you think about this book what do you think about this group what do you think about this scholar and what they said here and what do you think about this or that or the other right so you're constantly being asked to critique something out there that's being said by somebody the problem is that is an infinite amount of stuff so you can either spend your time commenting and criticizing what everybody else is doing and figuring out whether they're right or wrong or you can embark on your own journey right just get on your own journey do something beneficial for yourself stop worrying about who is so wrong and so right they're not going to destroy Islam that that's something Allah Himself protected they're not going to get rid of the Quran they're not going to get rid of the truth you know if we don't answer them then all hell you know the Ummah will be gone and Shaitaan will take over if you don't respond to this incident right now or this this book if you don't write an article against this book then all this loss no all is not lost plenty of stupid books were written before and nobody knows about them now come on can you know yet this I think a very powerful point when the Lord an was still not yet compiled into a full masaf there is already a fake Quran in the Ummah the pull out of meseta ma I'll get that yes there already was a person propagating a new Koran and not a single companion bother to refute that copy because it was understood that this was deviant that this was out of the scope because there's always going to be endless deviant literature you have to get to a point where you know your fundamentals and your essentials to where you can navigate that yourself and you can say this doesn't sound right this doesn't feel right I was I was going to say I met a guy back in back in New York when I was still learning and I just decided you know 15 years ago I'm just going to focus on learning Quran I really enjoy learning Quran and this guy came to me and said so you're studying Islam have you understood what the different deviant groups are I was like no do you know what this kind he started naming these different groups do you know what their what their corruptions are this group this group the script description are learning that stuff it goes how are you studying Islam that was like I'm studying certain Baqarah and then he's like but you have to learn this first before you said you can I was like no I don't and then I got upset with it I was like dude you don't even like you don't even know like three sulles like you've really short ones and you're you got all these names and hit lists of people that you hate and they're going to hell and all this stuff like I I have to make a decision am I going to learn something productive that's going to bring me closer to Allah or am I going to learn something that's just going to make me hate people you know at the end of the day so is there a balance there the balance is that you can't tell people to approach the text without any guidance and any mentorship as well so it has to be but so there's a difference between just pure hate speech go after them hate these people and then learn your Islam and you know look you need to start with the sources with the fundamentals with open-minded you know balance mentors and charlotta that can guide you on that path okay so the second thing I wanted to talk to everybody about is everybody's familiar with what happened in Paris recently and it's a it's just one of many incidents that have been plaguing the OMA one after the other and every time something like that happens we're put in a position to have to respond right and I you guys probably know I've responded she homers responded shavanasa responded to these incidents with hot buzz talks every time they happen and it's become pretty much exhausting because we say the same thing over and over again it's not like we have anything new to say we are against it it's absurd it's an insult to our religion it's against the fundamental teachings of Islam but yet again we feel pressure every time on having to respond to these incidents and what do we how do we think about this as an Omaha do we think about it as a you know as a group I've been in some strategy groups and some other kinds of discussions with other academics not just Muslim scholars that are trying to look at the problem of violent extremism and so I'll frame this discussion a little bit before I take you guys as input and chawla so basically the what I found the most comprehensive analysis was that people that turn towards extremist behavior violent behavior there are multiple factors so one factor is their grievances maybe they have a political grievance they have a problem in their country they were treat mistreated or they were they were they were exiled or they were turned into refugees whatever happened to them like some something wrong was done to them or maybe it's being done to them for a long time right and and that's why now they are prone to respond and retaliate in ways that you may or may not find reasonable but that's been the case for them they have these unaddressed grievances that's one problem the second set is actually people that don't have these grievances but they have other socio or psychological problems so you have young people that have depression that are that have low self-esteem that are online for 810 hours a day even though they live in a nice neighborhood you know and they have high-speed Internet so they can have a 10 hours of internet a day on the computer but like there they see they feel very low worth for themselves and this kind of these kinds of ideas make them feel very powerful like they're finally in control of something right and it gives them a chance to be angry not just at themselves but at the world right and it psychologically transfers some of that anger that way so an angry reading of Islam an angry reading of like you know how we're going to destroy like Islam will come and dominate and crush everything in its path and you're going to help us do it you're only you can do it etc etc it's a very empowering thing for people that have very low self-esteem so they become young people become very easy prey to that sort of thing for psychological reasons social and psychological reasons so the first is kind of political and the second is social and psychological the third piece of this is actually you can call it brainwashing but there are groups elements out there that are very smart they know where to start someone like what to expose them to first and then how to take them from there to step 2 - step three - step four - step five - turn them into a super crazy person and so this kid was totally normal five six steps ago but they know how to take them gradually up a scale of aggressive thinking to the point where and I've met these kids I've met kids that have gone down this trajectory when they're halfway through this trajectory they are trained that anybody who tries to refute you or correct you is actually a hypocrite it's Shep I'm coming to get you stay strong so they block everybody else out right and so they learn to block their parents out the Imam out the scholars out everybody out because now the truth is only coming from this one source so there's a very important piece of this and there are people very smart people that are behind this kind of machinery a lot of money is put in this kind of machinery right so there are these three different factors there is the political side of it which I don't know if I can do anything about there's the psychological side of it which we can do something about there is the religious rhetoric that's used systematically use manipulate about I'll start this off and I want to hear from you guys some data analysts that I talked to you know what they've come to they've arrived at the conclusion that you know the signs of judgement day like the the coming of the Maddy the Saudi Saddam you know the Black Flag all all that stuff that that is the most common way for a young person to get on a track where they don't want anything to do with life didn't want anything to with their career or college or family because the Ummah is about to clash with the so we need to make Hitler and we need to go fight some someone or something because the world's coming to an end and I better pack my bags right and that's the first subject if you get and it's a very powerful subject and if you guys even watched a video or two on the signs of the day of judgment you get scared like oh my god did you see the dollar bill it's got this is this there's a one eye on there the jaws in my pocket you know like you know the minions you know it starts messing with this stuff really starts messing with you and then you start becoming like conspiracy theory on top of conspiracy theory where you don't want anything to do with society right so there is a side there is a part of this where Islamic studies Islamic subjects are used or I would say misused to head people down this path right and these are the two areas where I think we can do something a lot of times we simply spend all of our energy talking about the political grievances and doing protests but the problem is we've been doing protests for seventy years right and we like that's fine we can do them but there are other areas that we're ignoring and if you continue to ignore them we're going to get a bigger and bigger problem you know because that's that's where the supply chain is that's where the real victims are these are not criminals to me these are victims these are 18 17 16 year old victims that get manipulated you know and I want to some of you guys have thoughts on this too inshallah alright so for me it's it's multifaceted number one I think we should refuse wholeheartedly to accept the narrative that people read the Quran and the Sunnah and become violent as a result of that I don't think that's the right narrative I don't think we should subdue ourselves to that narrative and say yeah you're right we should take responsibility for that however one a person has gone through the other filters that you've mentioned then at that point religiously inflammatory messaging can become far more dangerous than any other form that religion is a powerful tool religion is a powerful tool it can turn people in many different directions however it's we should not treat it as an isolated thing because that's the narrative that Islamophobes want to push on the people that ignores so even even that the Paris bombers as they're talking about their lives now you can already see these are really really unstable homes I mean the first guy that they enter his family his dad said he was a devil and I'm glad he's dead can you imagine a father saying that about his son he was a devil and I'm glad he's dead so you're already talking about I mean the Boston bombers we saw with their families immediately disassociated and said they haven't talked to us for years anyway and so on so forth so we can't accept that narrative when it comes to religious rhetoric and what we have to take accountability for and responsibility for look black and white messaging is not good even black and white messaging that that makes a distinction and says no you know it'll say everything evil about this person but we're not going to make tech feed of this person we're going to call them deviants we're going to call them innovators we're going to say this about them this about them no no but we don't accept disbelief and we don't expect accept people to be killed but you've created a blocking major world in that person's head eventually they're going to flip and they've learned to hate you I you so much that we're getting death threats from them right and that yeah they're their initial teachers told them that we were deviant and told them that you know that they shouldn't listen to us but eventually they created such a hatred for people and created such a a black and white world that eventually that they went off the tip of the iceberg so we'd people hate me I just realized you said that that wasn't paying attention yeah but but I do but I do want to also adhere look for everyone that's here learn to be productive learn to be productive what is productive is usually not exciting strategy if any of you have ever been to anything have any have ever strategize in any profession it's usually boring it usually seems to slow it usually seems too calculated and it seems to long-term learn to be productive I was having this conversation with both of them and you know we were talking about BDS for example the boycott divestment sanctions movement how many of you have heard of EDS you guys even hear of that in Singapore okay BDS is a is a non-violence is a global nonviolent response to Israeli Apartheid it was not started by very religious Muslims it's only a decade-old movement that has been endorsed by the Presbyterian Church that isn't that they have Jewish organizations that endorse and so on so forth the Muslims were the last to jump on this band wagon and some of them are still not convinced because it's not exciting enough there's no there's not enough bloodshed and so on so forth and it is it is the most efficient from a statistical perspective has been the most efficient political response to Zionism but it's not exciting right it doesn't have all the all the bells and whistles when we read all the glorious stories of people in the past and there is it not the salam rahim allah tala when he talked about when he wrote about you know the topics surrounding jihad and so on so forth he said that one of the problems is that it becomes more it becomes about your own muscle AHA versus the muscle have the elements your own benefit versus the benefit of the OMA I'm going to go to this place and do this because I've been terrible and I need to find a way to redeem myself and I don't care what that does for the Ummah what good comes out of these actions let's say that let's say that you were able to pull out some weird interpretation and say these things are justifiable and they're illegal and they do this to our women and children so we can do this to their women and children tell me what benefit it brought to the Ummah our families are being threatened we live it our dad was hindered I mean look the prophets my salaam was concerned about public perception and you know let's face it here he said that he did not kill Abdullah bin obey Him in saloon who committed treason over and over and over again for nine years wreaked havoc he said wife Leah : anna muhammadan county actor Rostov I don't want people to say to have material to say that Mohammed slice I'm used to kill his companions the Prophet slicin was concerned about public perception it kills our our efforts it kills our ability it puts our families in danger it hinders every single good what benefit comes out of this even if you were to someway plot of pull out of wherever that this is hellah that it's justifiable to kill innocent civilians in response to your own innocent civilians being killed if anything it feeds the Machine you give them excuses that's why Islamophobes love it whenever people actually fall and succumb to the stuff they want that this Clash of Civilizations is exactly what they're calling for it's not smart it's exciting it's about you it's selfish it's about your own personal Redemption or your sense of redemption for the terrible life that you've lived as opposed to actually taking the OMA to places and that long term versus short term vision not what the prophets why some of us heard a BIA write the Treaty of some of the Muslims didn't want to treat but that treaty was called faith by Allah it was called the conquest by Allah Islam thrives in peace checklist iemon tamiya rahim allah to al-assad Islam spread through a Hodja well boron lab is safe he will quit on it spread through intellectual proofs it spread through convincing people and mannerisms and so on and so forth not by the sword and by murder that's what the Islamophobes say and we sit there and we say yeah that's exactly how it spread yeah we respond and we basically give credence to their calls so what good comes out of these different types of things even if you were table to able to justify them which you cannot textually do anyway I will say this I want to hear from you in a sec when it comes to earth the way we think about ourselves and the way we think about Muslims and their relationship with the rest of the world for a lot of Muslims the with the things they've heard their whole life in footba talks whatever they let read a little bit they do start thinking that there's a clash that it's us against everybody else and there is bound to be some kind of conflict we're not we can't harmoniously exist with the rest of the world right so these things are bound to happen they're always going to hate us they're always going to get us that kind of Taiwan you know what I thought uncle yahood and nasarah had that to be our meal at home and this narrative this kind of thinking I believe is actually very like it's really unproductive and it keeps the Muslims from being what they're supposed to be Muslims are supposed to be the you know heightened alertness best of people derive for Humanity like for example the Muslims are supposed to be if they're if they're a minority in Singapore for example everybody here every non-muslim here should know that if they were to ever need any help they can turn to a Muslim they should know that they should know that if someone they can trust it should be a Muslim there's someone they can rely on it should be a Muslim like they that's our job to establish wherever we are that's our job our job is not to establish those people are not just those people are filth they're the Kafar they're going to hell oh by the way I had a kafir sitting next to me on the bus the other day and I was just talking it like this is not the attitude the attitude is these people Alonso agem give us this beautiful religion so we can share its goodness with everybody else not just in converting them but also in them seeing that this spreads justice fairness kindness courtesy mercy it spreads these things wherever it goes you know and we have to bring that narrative back because that is actually one of the fundamental essences of this OMA is that it spreads goodness wherever it goes about the issue of kind of countering I guess you can say extremist ideologies you you said three things that were very interesting about the political or social grievances the personal or psychological issues and problems and then third thing was the messaging and that's where and I don't mean to just keep using this as an opportunity for endorsements but it's just it's it's an opportunity for us to be able to tell everybody why we do what we do right why we do not everybody knows what we do but part of the thing is why we do what we do and that's been a huge part of the consideration that if you look at if you look back at the earlier generations you look at the first generation that the Prophet salatu salam trained and taught himself the Sahaba and then the next generation you looked at they had a methodology to understanding the religion and that was built off of two primary resources we say Quran and Sunnah too but but to be more nuanced right it was the quran meaning understanding the application of the quran within their daily lives number one the relevance of the quran to their lives and number two specifically within the sunnah there was a huge appreciation understanding for what we call the seal on the life of the prophets a lot ism because then the sealer serves as the backdrop of the Quran you see how the Quran is applied within real life and that's why you see quotations from people like Saad bin ABI Waqqas the Ali Hussain if not ali radiyaallahu ta'ala anhu you see these quotes from these amazing people in the generation of Sahaba in table your own that they say that a limo Ola Donna mahadji aerosol a solution commando allahumma Suleiman al quran we started teaching our children the life of the Prophet tells of the cedar just as we were teaching them sudras of the Quran so there was is again I came back to that word that I talked about earlier that kind of holistic approach of we're going to teach them these surah so we're going to teach them the life of the process some and show how the surah applies in real life I'll tell you something about that yeah I'll tell you a crazy story I felt like I was cheated so I studied see Allah first from certain books the life of the Prophet so I saw them and I read certain incidents and they we coupled those studies in the Sierra with certain surah of the Quran and I was taught certain lessons and like one of those lessons was for example in the - logical mode adequate I do alikoum fathom that you know you're from your children and your spouse's there are enemies for you watch out for them Allah wants you to serve the Dean and Dean is for the ocula and your children and your wife they are dunya so put them aside because they're enemies for you and serve the Deen and they don't you know because the this is dunya if you're taking care of your kids and your being good to your spouse etc that's dunya but if you're going to do that la and you're going to you know study and you're going to go you know travel and this and that this is Dean right and this was taught to me through the Quran like the people that were perpetrating this we're teaching this to the Quran and I accepted it I was like yeah I don't want dunya I want Al Qura Allen Dean I don't know nothing what you're not so you so you want to abandon all of that because that's and then you later on when you decide this something smacks you in the head and you say maybe I should study that over again and you start studying it in depth yourself you realize wait a second taking care of my family is Dean that wasn't dunya that who what did I just got cheated I guess I just got gypped it's the same sila it's the same Quran but there are some people that have such a deep bias and they teach it with that aggressive bias and they mess you up right and so I felt like and I was so motivated to continuously study the Quran and I Lila Dean when I study a surah when I study like an ayah of the quran I make no assumptions I assume that I don't know this at all I'm going to start from scratch because I know the danger of making assumptions from before I assume this is what the ayah meant and it led me down a bad road I'm going to let a las Word dictate and the word of Allah dictate and the research dictate where I'm going to go I'm not going to put any suppositions on top of it you know and this is something that we have to learn to do in the oume there are a lot of things that we think about that have become part of our Islam that are actually not Islam they're just out of time they're very harmful and they're sitting there in our subconscious you know and they can become very extreme in child so okay Emory want to add something go ahead yeah so one of the things as well and this is sort of an advice for us all I mean I think that there are certain elements of our religion and when we try to ignore those elements altogether rather than understand the miniature way and channel people's frustrations and grievances properly we actually do a disservice what that means is statistically speaking as well those that are joining extremist groups are coming from groups that were completely politically quiet political quietism was what they called it as the term that these are the types of groups this trend actually leads people to the opposite extreme instead of saying you have no right to be frustrated you have no right to have a grievance you should not be angry about what did the French bombed a school internet op and or some and kill twenty eight children that you should not be angry about this you should not be angry about Syrian refugees instead how do you channel that frustration into something that's productive that's long-term that's viable not don't talk about it no you should talk about it it should hurt you it should be something you think about but it's not just the Facebook status people you can do something about it you know I taught in Dallas I told them we you know we had we had Syrian refugees in Dallas one one that when that child washed up at that Turkish resort will lie that was a shame on the entire homeland that was it's a shame on the world the level the pitiful level pathetic level that humanity has reached that you have babies washing up resorts and and you know we could scream about Arab nations and scream about nations not doing enough to accept refugees but I was in dazzles like people we have thousands of refugees here have you visited them once have you done anything for them have you supported those refugees have you've given them a you know an outlook a perspective on life there are refugees at the border in in Jordan I've seen them with my own two eyes they don't get squat they have Christian missionaries there they don't have Muslims there why are we doing anything about that so channel your anger and frustration in a way that's productive not just these hyper angry statuses and it's funny when people comment online they say well what about this you didn't mention this you didn't mention that it's not about mentions it's about working it's about doing something productive you should care you should have it you should have lead on in your heart when messes up cause under occupation that means something but what good is it going to do for you to scream about it and shout about it become active within your own circles find ways to be productive and actually influence policy long term no policy has changed in the interest of any group in history at least not not in the United States as a result of short-term lashing out it's always been long-term calculated strategic moving people in a certain direction changing mindsets because even if you you know it's at the end of the day you have to influence public perceptions politics moves in regards to public perception when you have media dominated by people whose interests are incomplete direct opposition to ours then you have a tall battle so you have to change people's mindsets when people's mindsets change politicians go with the flow what are you doing to change public perception about the Palestinian cause and about the Muslim and so on so forth that is a productive way and that's more about the OMA than your own self you know feeling great about yourself and feeling like you're a brave person that's changed the situation of Muslim worlds on to happier subjects stockings no we're not talking about your socks anymore okay so what I also this is the last discussion by the winch Ella and I wanted to talk about it because there are a lot of young people in the audience so a lot of you aren't married and you'd like to be and so we're announcing no and there's a lot of you know look there are families that are very conservative there are families that are not as conservative you come from religious backgrounds some of you don't come from religious backgrounds but the fact that you're here in an audience like this one means that you care about Islam and you even if you want to get married you'd like to do the right thing right and maybe you're interested in somebody maybe already talking to them maybe they're here with you I don't know you know but you're not married yet so I wanted to actually first of all accept a reality the reality of it is we're not living in righteous times right the Muslims unfortunately are dating they are going out to dinner they are chatting it up late at night whatever it is they're doing and it's it's happening it's become a reality and we have to deal with that reality our religion does not accept something that's wrong and so I can't endorse something that's wrong no we don't have the right to because this Deen is bigger than us right we are in submission to Allah's principles but at the same time there are practical this Deen is also practical like it gives it doesn't give people idealistic solutions it gives them realistic solutions there's Deena every step I study this Deen and any principle in this Deen I come away with this Deen is so practical it's so it's it takes into consideration the realistic temptations of people their tendencies their temperaments their situations their difficulties Allah did not send Islam to angels he sent it to you and me he knows who he created and he knows who needs guidance right so if we are if you know there are audience members that are in this circumstance some of you are parents you know your sons and daughters are dating and you don't know to do about it and how to go about and you're in this strange bind and it's embarrassing to talk about because who do you tell you know that sort of thing or your you know your daughter's insisting that she wants to marry this guy or your sons insisting she wants to marry this girl or something like that and she's not even Muslim you know that happens to or she's ready to accept Islam but the mother says to her except to sound good you know nobody talks you know they don't know mothers don't talk like that mothers hold a knife behind their back and say no bring her over bring her over I'll give her the Shahada she'll be a shaggy hey how can you act that motional yeah this is for camera again it was not on the mountains anyways but anyway I what I wanted to ask you guys because you guys are that you know I'm allergic to fish so that's why these two guys are here so like what do you do in situations like this guy wants to marry this girl they've already been talking or whatever going out to dinner and now they want to do the right thing right or they want to get the family involved they want to take good steps well what do they do help them out help that one out over there look easy can you say I'm kidding I'm kidding I don't see you now I do I just got up and left okay well I mean obviously you gotta just talk to people right so you're gonna have to at some point there's this bizarre delusion that a lot of times young people live in that you know like somehow I can just proceed in this manner forward without ever dealing with the situation at hand you are going to have to find a way to end up bringing your parents your family into the situation you're going to have to sit down and talk to them and one of the things I tell a lot of young people is and I'm going to get to the parents in a second but I'm just speaking generally outside of any type of abnormality you know mo normal parents like I said earlier in the lecture they love their children more than they you know love life itself so there's there's an there's a it's not so much about what you're saying it's how you say it so storming into your house and kind of saying like hey listen this is what's happening this is who it is and this is what's going to happen there's a way that conversation is going to go and it's not going to go very well and then there's another tone of the conversation where you sit down and you kind of say that look I want to be happy what and I want to find the right person a long have you wanted to be happy and I want to find the right person and the last thing I'd want to do is hurt you or offend you in any way but I really feel like this is the right person for me I want you to help me out here right there's there's there's a chance that there's a chance that that conversation might go a little bit better but that brings me to the other side of what he just demonstrated that there's another reality that your mom might be like no mom that parents are not perfect and that's probably one of the biggest taboos that most have blue things you can say in the Muslim community whether it be America or Singapore right parents are not perfect nobody wants to hear that yeah exactly exactly so it's just a reality and so that's where what I'll tell young people is if you are trying to make things right as you said maybe you did things wrong but now you're trying to make them right or maybe Michelle you're one of those young people who are trying to do things the right way from the very GetGo and your parents are not being they're not perfect and they're not being reasonable then try to find some type of ally right but be careful not to kind of go with your own but try to find some type of ally and I have plenty of personal situations meaning very close family and friends community members students and things like that whose parents were not being reasonable I can say with a hundred percent conscious he's young people they were trying to do things the right way from the very GetGo they were being right they were becoming correct and the parents were not being reasonable they instead of just completely flying solo they ended up trying to get some type of allies on their side maybe it was an uncle maybe it was a grandparent maybe it was the Imam of the community maybe it was somebody right yeah they did I feel trying to get around the subject like I didn't use you I think you I have I have the most amazing stories I had a mom throwing plates at me I was like dodging plates it was amazing because the moms like okay please tell him he can't marry her and I said well actually I just did they're in the car I was like I can't I I can't I can't it's completely valid for these two people to get married especially her father you know even from the fifth position that the wedding of the girl has to be involved her father's completely on board I've spoken to him on the phone he's completely down so he actually can and I even think should marry her and that was she was like I'll be right back she came back with legs and she just started throwing plates at me to get out of my house I said okay um but uh it's you know so that might be the reality where the parents are not being reasonable cuz parents aren't always perfect either but in that situation make sure you try to get some type of allies on your side and here comes the little bitter pill for young people if you're not able to get anybody that can see the your logic you can't get anybody to see your side of you're insane yeah you're probably going things about the wrong way so and and one thing that I would say and I don't know if it's understood yet or not but you don't wait a year to take your parents and the confidence on these things either you do it from the get-go you do it from the get-go you don't go get emotionally attached to someone start going about things the wrong way in a Haram fashion in a way that'll loss of them we're not about cultural norms now see here's the thing let's face it here that there is no way to know for a fact what type of person you're going to marry until you actually married them there is no way and in fact you know psychologically speaking dating will not do you any favors it's not going to help you know that person more it's going to help that person make a better impression on you not help you know them more because until you live with the person there is no way to completely know them so that's something that is you know the degree of a lost Panama Tata and things happen in this that's true but let's face it collectively as a society are we moving deeper into a marriage crisis or are we getting better because we've loosened restrictions and so on so forth right whether it's the Muslim world or the Western world or what have you because there were certain decency thing the cultural norms from a decency perspective that were in place even in the non-muslim world in the secular world and there is a crisis in every part of the world in this regard so when it comes to the Islamic perspective now we believe that Allah Spano Tata is the Turner of hearts right we understand that a loss enhances the Turner of hearts don't think that you can disobey allah subhanaw taala do things come with the intention that you will write it one day and a loss upon saw is going to put Barack on your relationship you're fooling yourself you're not going to fool a loss of Hannah Matata you are fooling yourself now there is a difference between two people and even the Sharia makes a distinction here of two people that started something wrong and they generally make Toba and a lot left an ambiguous they actually made Toba they actually repented they actually and it wasn't a Toba that was conditional on me marrying this person it was a Toba of like wow I did something how long a stuff fit Allah let me now go and approach this right it wasn't fine mom dad I'm sorry but I still need to marry that person and that's the only way that it's going to happen you have to take them into consideration from the very beginning and when parents are unreasonable I will say this as well you learn this the hard way sometimes later on much later in your life but your parents are not seasonal the whole world will turn their backs on you before your parents turn your back on their back something and you will learn that the hard way right many many times in life with friends sometimes with spouses with whoever made with Messiah with your teachers with your closest friends you will find that other people will be season a lot of times your parents will never be seasonal they won't even when your parents say I'm not going to talk to you because you've decided to go forth with this they don't really mean it right they're saying that as a threat hoping that you'll realize recognize the situation now when parents are wrong when they're dead wrong and when they're standing in the way of something that is Haddad something that is completely pure something that's been pursued in the right way then at that point there is the option in Islam to override them through a particular product process but even then you have to ask yourself if it's worth it even than if you have to ask yourself if it's worth it so I haven't talked question for both of you what I have a hard question for both you okay there are people in the audience inshallah they're not but there are people in indio MA that are dating for a long time a year two years three years and the first advice that comes in my head is just get married doesn't matter who says what because you're not you're clearly not going to let each other go we disagree you don't I completely disagree that's setting them up that's giving a temporary solution you'll make them happy for now but their relationship is going to fall apart look I I do marriages and divorces I've been mean I've been doing it for ten years personally and most of the time when we gave in and said okay fine just let them get married they were divorced within three months because they've already gotten past all the rosy part of the relationship what I would say instead is that you have to step back and see and find see-cret rational advisors like chef de Nasser said that will let you know if whether or not this is a good idea or not and if it's a good idea and if the if the fundamentals are there and the foundations are there and you can work through and so on so forth then it's better to make it's better for you not to make a long-term mistake something that's going to damage you for the rest of your life just because you made a short-term mistake and it's going to hurt you to get away from that Montano cachet and Allah or what the law you leave something for Allah lost pants I gives you something better than that so look if you've been in a relationship for a very long time and you really feel bad you want to make Toba take a step back ask Allah sincerely for forgiveness then try to approach it rationally seek advice from people whether or not you think this can be a good marriage or not going forward don't try to just take the pill that's going to make you feel good now and let you get married and then everything falls apart because you did not marriage as a rational decision marriage is not an emotional decision it is supposed to be a rational decision it's not supposed to be an emotional decision so that's the point here you look for compatibility what is the main reason that people fall apart in relationships compatibility correct lack of compatibility you look for compatibility you can't find that if I'm just going to stop listening I'm totally was they you cassis you can't determine whether or not a person is compatible if the only thing you've seen are roses and nice restaurants and sneaking off into movie theaters and having conversations where half of the conversation is just fluff no it's it's determined yeah which is what you when you're when you're in the situation you're basically blinded by your own emotions and what's going on right so what you're saying is like we see this in any situation you bring in a fresh set of eyes you bring in a fresh different outsider's perspective we do we know that in business all the time you bring in a consultant who's not in the company right who can it's not it's not but there are certain human realities right and the human reality about when you are in when you are in an experience when you are experiencing it at that moment you just there there are certain blinders that you have on you're just not being able to see the big picture here's the thing here's why I disagree with both of you and that's I'm totally okay with disagreeing with people I have learned to revel in disagreement I am it is my dessert so how many marriages and divorces you done Oh go ahead Imam Norma I was I knew you when I used to eat the adult meal and used to get the Chuckie Cheese meal okay so happy meal yeah I still get a happy meal toy at McDonald's and they used to look at this guy's a child six foot six even anyway anyway so was I saying yes so here's what I'm saying if there are people that are in and like a religiously not sanctioned relationship they're dating and I specifically mentioned they're involved in this kind of a relationship for years my argument and my problem is that these people are emotionally invested in each other and they have spent quite a bit of time together right or wrong they've already done that my personal problem is why does some other man why should this be some other man's fault that his now wife has emotionally already invested herself and someone else who's not going to leave her head anytime soon and this is going to be a problem later later on like they almost almost like they deserve each other at this point like this is my thinking about this problem and maybe they don't get married fine but at least they should be given the option to pursue this if you want to add the rational element to this too they were never a tional to the you know black and white how do we agree that it's not black and white it shows by case situation this is a case by case situation but this this is the problem becomes with these families they say well you can marry anything you want not hurt that's the what well no that's still very much a possibility and yeah I don't disagree with you there what I think we're talking about two different issues I think that as far as the family's concern the family has to kind of resigned themselves to the reality at this point that these two individuals are so emotionally invested into each other that they're going to be useful useless to any other human being actually they're going to destroy somebody else's life right no no so I think from the family perspective that's fine I think what we're talking about is those two individuals themselves they just have to understand that the premise this amazingly solid foundation that they think that their relationship is built on is actually really flimsy and very superficial that's what we're just saying so maybe you're saying that if they're going to fail you have to sometimes kind of let people fail to know that they made a mistake how many people actually end up marrying their first crushes or end up marrying the person that they thought was going to be their you know prince and shining armor and that was going to be their you know how many people end up actually going forth with that marrying that and end up in happy marriages it's a very small portion of humanity not just very turbulent relationship six trait and what happens is one of the things that a loss of how no Todd tries to protect us from with the and I don't even want to call them restrictions because a tusla fedosya any bahah the basis of all things in Shetty is that it's permissible unless it's proven to be how long but one of the reasons why I lost on Todd directs us in this way is that our interactions before marriage should be in a way that it is as rational as possible that the position that we're taking that there is that when we're deciding to go into this life long commitments the average divorce rate worldwide now is 48 percent in America it's close to 60% that is going to happen it's inevitable there was divorce I those are skewed because like 50 percent of the population doesn't even believe in marriage anymore it's only 50% of people get married and 60 percent of them end up divorced right so the numbers are actually catastrophic and then 30 percent do this in 20 percent going and then 10 percent and then a lot of numbers I'm a mimin so it's very natural I was just doing math okay but no so you're talking I'm interested about 3.2 percent of what you guys I'm just saying the reality is only 30 percent of people in America are married that's it that's so so there's the extreme of which we were taught was ideal Islam which I've heard many times I've heard and I'm sure you've heard this as well parents that will tell their children I married your mom without even seeing her right you had windows or something or we did or we or we you know we didn't we didn't even know each other and have the lot worked out but they're miserable and so on but there is a signa precedence here the summer down is very loose term they send a precedence of this as people should people who want to get married should talk to each other not ask each other what your favorite color is or what's your favorite song or you know do you like long walks on the beach too and no but like actually have serious conversations about compatibility should actually sit down and discuss things with in a controlled environment where their emotions cannot get the best of them and that's the whole purpose of not allowing absolute huddle absolute seclusion because when you're in it that's why I lost contact it's called the spider's web and I'm kamut right Lazcano Todd describes as the most flimsy of houses when you're in a spiderweb when you're caught you're caught you can't see outside of it it's the most flimsy of homes but a bug that's caught inside of it right is not getting out why because you can't see past its you think that that's your reality and you've resigned yourself to that and it's irresponsible for everyone to say okay fine fine go ahead go ahead go ahead and ruin your life no if it's something that because you're talking about parents that stood in the way of something that was undone that they were not justified in doing so that's where the Imam comes in or that's where someone comes in or an ally comes in and says to the parents you need to chill you need to calm down it happened it at least it's a Muslim at least it's someone that you know that at least they pursued each other for the right reasons yes maybe because of the circumstances they they thought it would be an innocent phone call they ended up talking too many times they ended up meeting a few times and so on so forth but there was still some level of contents and let me hold back for the sake of a loss at that point you act as a facilitator at that point you act as a facilitator but it's not black and white and at the end of the day we need to understand that when we go through a relationship after relationship after relationship up we're killing our own ability to have meaningful relationships Allah does not want that for us it's not healthy for us to go through relationship after relationship after relationship and be broken down over and over and over again to where when we go into our seventh eighth relationship and say this is the one we already are questioning and we're already you know we're already we already have the sense of paranoia that there's no way that it's going to work out we've already lost our own capacity to love so try to pursue things as right as you 10 and then when people stand in the way in a wrong fashion that's when you resort to those other protocols now if you are what the reality if you've been in a relationship for a very long time the first thing you need to do is what the first thing you need to do is disengage Tovah you need to ask Allah for forgiveness the first party you should be concerned with in anything that happens in your life as a Muslim as a believer is what does Allah think about this what have I done to offend a loss of how Noah tada the first thing you need to do is seek forgiveness seek forgiveness sincerely from a loss of I know it's odd no matter what the outcome of the situation is as tough in a lot I've messed up oh Allah guide me to what's best for me I've messed up because then you you bring back the battle couple awesome panowitz out of the earshot that guidance from a loss of Hannah Matata in your direction in life but when you take that out of the equation then it's always going to be you know you're all it's always going to be risky no matter what but you make it so much more risky and you're still not going to pursue a path of Boudica I'm going to conclude this session with a dog that Allah allows all of the young people here and the all the unmarried here the blessing of a good you know permissible and sustained and healthy and nurturing and happy marriage and I pray that Allah religion gives you know the parents happiness within the marriage of their children and the children happiness in the marriage to each other and love provides them with righteous children that can carry the flag of Islam in the future inshallah tada

Channel: Bayyinah Institute

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Keywords: Nouman Ali Khan, Arabic, Quran, Islam, Bayyinah, Bayyinah TV, Bayyinah Institute, Koran, Islamic, Education, Muslim, islam, muhammad, muslim, omar suleiman, abdul nasir jangda, amazed by the quran

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Length: 71min 18sec (4278 seconds)

Published: Mon May 16 2016