Dealing With Abusive People

[Music] open your bibles please we're going to go to proverbs chapter 9 and one second father we thank you for your wisdom we thank you for helping us examine ourselves and also how to deal with intrusive abusive people people that are hurting and harming us in some way everybody's going through things in this hour and more to come in the future as it seems like the darkness is setting in help us lord to be right with you and to be right with our fellow man to have a conscience void of offense we ask you all this in jesus name amen so i want to talk this morning about evening to some of you uh dealing with abusive people we could all say we've had abusive people and some of them were your parents some of them were your bosses and a lot of the people you met that were abusive were in churches in the system let's call it the system so today we want to talk about dealing with abusive people or people that misuse you people that mistreat you or treat you harmfully and first of all we just have to say a lot of people abuse because they've been abused and hurt people hurt people and that's why they continually hurt if we've come from abusive families we have to do a lot of work to not repeat the cycle of our parents and the way we were raised and how we were taught and some of the wounds that we have the lord helps us see him and that's why we need friends we need friends to help us see the blind spots in our life and to find the safe people in our life and also deal with the narcissistic people and narcissistic abuse i've got about five narcissism youtubes there if you want to look at those that's another whole uh abusive type personality that's increasing it seems like it's increasing in the world it's increasing everywhere in the church in leadership and abuse basically if you look at that word abuse you'll see the word bus abuse a-b-u-s bus and when you're in abusive situations they throw you under the bus it's kind of a way and many people are used to abuse because they were treated that way and then they end up marrying somebody that abuses them because that's all they know and they don't know how to get out of the cycle and then they have families they abuse their children and it continues and no one breaks the cycle because nobody will repent and we have to repent and not get a hard soul and justify our sins and justify and just think this is just the way i am this is the way i was raised but always trying to examine ourselves first of all before we try to blame other people we have to see are we abusing anyone so we're going to kind of go through that but abuse is when someone violates your boundaries and causes a deep wounding victims of abuse you can tell someone's been victimized by an abuser is because usually they're very easily angered they're very easily upset because they lived in survival mode of that abusive person and so they've built up a self-protection and walls that if somebody criticizes them they put up a defense right away and you're like wow what happened with that guy or what happened to her it's because they are probably victims of abuse and they've learned to re to to put up that defense to protect themselves around the the abused people and now it's kind of become a way of life for them and if that's you you have to kind of dig deep because anger is really a sign of deep hurt first there's a deep deep wound there that you're protecting and people can't get close to you if you keep walling them out so someone violated your boundaries and you can tell these victims by early anger they get very angry really upset and then we have to ask ourselves are we confrontable are we approachable or are we putting up walls that make people say don't let you know your opinion doesn't count i'm above you uh i'm more spiritual than you and this is what people do that really have a low self-esteem because they weren't valued validated by their parents they're seeking validation through wisdom and through knowledge in knowledge alone what does it do it puffs us up and it makes us very arrogant so usually an early stage or victims of abuse are easily angered they have extreme anxiety or fear usually you see a group that's very angry very touchy very unapproachable and the other ones that are people pleasers that are extremely fearful and anxious because they respond differently to their abuse and fear and anxiety is how they've learned how to you know how to wall themself in and they don't even realize they're doing it people that have been abused these are survival modes that they've just learned to cope with life when you're in trouble when you're around somebody that's violating your boundaries another one they see everything negatively it's really hard to see positive when their life has been very negative then they have a hard time saying what they really need or want because they don't want to really put anybody else out because they weren't validated they weren't appreciated they weren't loved really the way they should have been so they don't think their needs count and then when you don't think your needs count you don't want to bother anybody so you don't know how to tell people this is what i need you end up becoming a rescuer or trying to solve everybody else's problems to really help yourself so a lot of these things are revealed to us as we grow in the lord in second timothy 4 14 alexander the coppersmith did me much evil or did me a great harm even back then when the bible was written we see wicked people we see abusive people we see people that are troubled that are angry that want their way he did me much harm the lord reward him according to his works and this is the other thing where vengeance is the lord's but how do we deal with this i mean this is stuff that we should have learned in school how do you deal with your playmates how do you deal sally how do you deal with jane uh spot you know nobody ever talks about relationships just figure it out and as a result you know people are a mess and then they go to churches and then you see narcissistic leaders and if you're used to an abusive father you just love those narcissistic pastors because that's what you're familiar with that just you know i'm used to being whipped i'm used to being told i have to do this and this and this and that kind of follows my family line here in first peter 4 15 it says let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or as a evil doer or as a busybody now this is what we see a lot busybody and what is a busybody in other people's business it's a meddler and what is a meddler it's someone that interferes or intrudes without an invitation did we invite you to give us the answer because a lot of people are coming from these homes that they've been abused that they meddle in and there's a force about them it's it's not a easy to be entreated you know i'm saying it's it's a more uh dictorial it's more of a bossy it's more of a proudful spirit rather than a humble teachable spirit and if we're to grow in the lord we have to always keep that stance of humility and i don't know it all i could learn from you but if you're an evil person you don't think you're evil but if the bible tells us that we're evil if we're full of pride and wicked so we're interfering or intruding is the word without an invitation and that word wicked it's an old english word that from the word wicker it's from the wicker furniture it's a plant stem is bent or twisted to make furniture so that wicked here means twisted or perverse so here's the red flags that were not teachable and then kind of where the movements i came out of we we thought we knew it all because we knew about five verses and so we we really got arrogant thinking well we preach the bible and no one else does but there were so many scriptures and chapters that were never read never taught on because it didn't follow you know the five principles that give you success so here in proverbs 9 and verse 7 he that reproveth or that word we prove means to correct if you want to correct a scorner what's a scorner a scorner giveth himself shame and he that rebuke bebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot reprove not a scorner lest he hate thee rebuke a wise man and he will love thee now just for the record none of us like correction our flesh does not like to be told what to do we're all little controllers in our own world we like things the way we like it but then you have a family and the mothers learn they can't even take a bath it seems like i have no privacy everything gets invaded and you just learn so you gotta put up boundaries time for yourself what works for you you have to learn to say no this does not work and then if you're married to a someone that's very dominating a lot of people just allow that other dominant person to have that superior position and they end up being controlled they can't do anything without that permission from the other one god didn't create us that way he wants us to have in marriage relationships you should have a say you shouldn't live in fear or anger of oh i'm gonna upset them i'm gonna uh i can't do this i can't do that and a lot of people live in fear because the payment of coming against that person is punishment the silent treatment or you're gonna pay for this or whatever and so a lot of people just cower back and they allow that other person to control you and that's not healthy we're going to talk about what is healthy and trust me we're all trying to grow into it none of us have arrived but here we're looking at what kind of people are in our life what kind of friends do we have what kind of friends have we let go from our life what kind of people abused you what caused harm in your life some people can pick a great car but they can't pick a great friend do you choose people who abandon you who neglect now neglect is a very it's it's it's abuse uh if you leave your you have a garden and you never weed it you never water it you never take care of it you you abuse your your garden well people get married and they they abuse their mate by neglecting them they don't talk to them they don't ask their opinion uh they don't spend time with them and many people they're used to feeling well you know my have such low self-worth that my opinion doesn't count anyway and it seems like the victim and the abuser just have like a magnet towards each other so we have to say why am i picking the same kind of people all the time they they abandon you they neglect you they tear you down they damage you if you correct a mocker or a scorner you're inviting abuse you're inviting it you're it's you're gonna get a blot now what's a blot have you ever had a blot from anybody they threw you under the bus in the whole narcissistic community they call it the smear campaign they destroy your reputation why because they have to look good it's very important now here's where we have to judge ourselves walking in the fear of the lord we don't have to win we all like to win but we don't have to win we we we have to humble ourselves you could be wrong you could learn from this person but there's people that they always take this position that they're superior and a lot of it is the damage that they have because they've never been validated and they're still trying to prove their own worth so that you get a blot to smear or destroy your reputation now we have to know that god created us to have fellowship and assembly with people even though people that you don't like they rub you sometimes good sometimes you know the cat has to turn around because god's created us to assemble with people and we're all imperfect we're all flawed we all have warts spiritually speaking we all come from different backgrounds and then god's like okay have fun have fellowship well i don't like this one and i don't like that one and but if god's put him in our life many times there's something we need to learn and we always have to keep a humble teachable spirit because god uses people to accept and validate you and also to open your eyes to blind spots you don't see if if we could see it wouldn't be a blind spot and that's why many people get in accidents as they they have an accident in their blind spot so god puts people in our life to help us balance us out we all need balance we all need help thank god for the holy spirit but we do need each other also to confront the denial in us because if you've been in abusive relationships or families you're in most of the time denial because you don't want to face the reality of it oh i was never abused my dad was fine to me my mom was great and then you hear these horror stories well someone's living in denial they're not facing reality of what really happened and then if you have some good friends they'll help you pull you out of denial so you don't keep choosing those wrong people in your life but it's it's a journey and also a lot of these narcissists personalities some are very blatant and others are covert some people you don't understand until you've been in relationship long with them some of the tricks that they pull out and some of the pain that they cause you it's called life right your bosses your friends your family but good friends help you see you're in denial here you need to face this so we all need loving confrontations now we don't like to be confrontational we shouldn't have a bad spirit when we do it but there's times you have to stand up and put up a boundary so we try to do that the best we can and boundaries they protect us and they stock stop us from walking into disasters your friends can tell you you need to maybe say no maybe you shouldn't be around this person maybe this relative is really mean to you it's okay to just take a distance it's okay to take a a break it's okay you know this person is really consuming you right now so we need friends to help us and then we might have to confront some things you have to confront at some time or another when things start building up and bothering you and none of us really enjoy confronting if you do there's probably something wrong with you it's usually the last but narcissistic people love to confront they love to put you in your place they love to make you feel bad they always take a superior position but as servants of the lord we should always keep a humble spirit so let's check ourselves first are you confrontable are you approachable are people afraid to tell you what they don't like or are they afraid ask yourself am i approachable do i have an open door if someone needs to come and talk to me am i approachable abusive people and the reason why they are abusive is because they refuse to take responsibility they love to blame shift and everything's your fault or the other person's fault or this or that and as a result of blame shifting because they already feel so bad about themself they have a hard time looking at themselves rather than crying out and repenting which we should always be doing we should always have that repentant heart they blame shift what does that mean they make excuses and then they use the god card now if there's one thing that really bothers me being in the ministry now for over 40 some years people say god said god said god said god said holy spirit said in one minute they said god said this and a week later god said that is god confused people that are insecure have to use that because that way they don't take any blame they take no responsibility for their that's a dangerous person when they can't repent when they can't share their feelings they don't know how to fix a relationship they just discard you and throw you off they take no responsibility this is a very abusive person because safe people take responsibility i'm sorry not i'm sorry if you feel that way i'm sorry and we all can grow in these areas these are nothing that we can all say check check check check but we grow and we learn and we help each other but abusive people if you're dealing with one right now they never take responsibility they blame it's always your fault they make excuses they use these god cards as escapism uh rather than really telling you how they feel and that's sad because people should be able to be honest and say this is how i feel rather than god said this so that shuts the door because who's going to argue with god so uh abusive people attack the messenger they attack they uh discard they become defensive they put up walls and then they push back well nobody wants to be in relationships or marriage with somebody that's defensive that's gonna attack and that you can't be honest with they can't share their feelings but sometimes there's deep wounds that people have to really repent of just say you know lord i forgive my dad i had to do this my dad was a very abusive alcoholic violent to some in our family and i had to forgive him and not just once i wish i could say oh i forgive but knowing what his past was and i put myself in his shoes and i i am probably to a fault to a fault mercy motivated but i wasn't with him because i was hurt by him and when you're hurt by people sometimes you just cut them off but then it was time that i had to deal with that hurt and i cried all the way to brainerd to go see him and i cried and i forgave him and i repented and had to give it to the lord because when you've been in abusive relationships especially if they're your parents how do you honor them and respect them but still have a relationship well there was seven years i went without even talking to him because he was doing such bad behaviors things and drinking that i just had to i wasn't ready and i had to wait but thankfully he he got saved at the end of his life well before his end of his life but these are not easy situations to say oh yeah just do this and do that it's a process and we have to forgive ourselves we have to forgive them we have to ask god's help and and sometimes it's hard because you get abandoned again and it hits those abandonment issues and then you got you feel like you just got sunk into a deep hole and you got to climb back out but a righteous man falls seven times and you get back up again so it doesn't mean we're not going to fall again it means we're going to get back up again with the lesson learned and every time we make a mistake and we're right with god we repent so we don't get a hard heart there's a lot of people that are just hard sold they don't want to deal with they don't want to they don't care that's why they have no empathy because they're so hurt in their life they don't want to deal with anybody else's pain they've got so much of their own and we don't want to end up hard sold because then we're not sensitive to other people we're not sensitive to the holy spirit we're not sensitive to hear what we shouldn't do we're just protecting ourselves at all times and that is not how we are supposed to live but a wise and safe person is confrontable and accepts feedback i love people that when you can talk to them they don't get mad but they they give you feedback you know why because you only see one side of the mountain i see another and when we communicate we see more if you talk to the husband he's got one side and you talk to the wife she's got another and when you all get together it's like wow there's a whole lot going on here that you didn't see and history of families come into play here so we need to own where we are wrong and not feel bad about ourselves it's just like okay i missed it i blew it lord i confess this to you once again here i come i got angry or i was anxious i was this or that and a lot of it does deal with our past because if you were raised with normal people what's normal you wouldn't have as many insecurities yeah since adam and eve no one's normal we're dealing with dysfunctional people and so we have to learn how to function and deal with our own heart first because we're wounded we've been abused we we maybe are the abuser everybody listening here is coming from a different place but we have to own where we're wrong i blew it here and as you're open to the lord he'll start showing you things and as as preparing this message i started seeing things uh in my own life with my with one of my aunts i won't go into it all but it's like i had no idea about this you know if you cut off relationships you'll never know what really could have been if if god was in it but if you cut people off because they disagree with you that's not a good uh discard there's there's times that you have to walk away from abuse but most of the time a lot of us if we're if we're just trying to walk right we're going to learn and we keep learning and we keep staying humble so we need to own where we're wrong as hard as it might be we have to own it don't blame shift don't deny it don't rationalize why it's not as bad as if that other person says you heard them you heard them even if it's perceived and they're wrong because a lot of people haven't dealt with their junk so if you just try to approach them on something they they have not done enough inner work with what their past and with their life and and they're still too uh not ready to deal with relationships they won't have intimacy because intimacy is into me see and people don't want intimacy if they've been hurt but if you don't deal with that you're going to miss a lot of good people in your life and nobody's perfect and if you're very judgmental of everyone you're not going to have friends with anyone so we need to run we need to own where we're wrong and if we are defensive if we get defensive we stick the other person with all the responsibility it's always that other person's fault it's always them it's always them well that's a problem with us because then we're not dealing with with our own heart with our own feelings with our own emotions and then you can't put up proper boundaries because proper boundaries we have freedoms we have choices you know so we have to own it we need to spot abuse in ourselves and others abuse is about controlling the other person and they have the right to tell the other person what to do and who to be unfortunately i see a lot of marriages this way where there's one that's always right there's one that has to bow to the other one there's one it's not a healthy relationship it's one-sided because the other person has probably been very wounded but they think they have the right now think about how god must hate this this proud spirit of ruling and controlling the other person so that person needs to repent if they're if the other person never has and i'm thinking of somebody that they're in their second marriage now their first marriage was pretty balanced but because they were abused they didn't know how to handle it they don't know how to handle somebody if they're not being abused or controlled or manipulated so they got rid of that wife and got one that controls and manipulates them because that felt normal so their picker is off because they pick abuse but abuse is about controlling the other person ask yourself am i controlling anybody we all are probably a little more controlling than we know because we all can't understand where the other person's coming from we want to do our routines we want to do this or that so we have to take a break and say am i controlling my my friends or my mate am i the bossy one am i does everything have to go my way because that's not healthy so abuse is about controlling the other person and they have the right to tell the other person what to do and boy have i seen a lot of this not too long ago either what to wear what to be what to say who wants to live with someone like that i mean that's that's terrible because the abuser feels superior and if you're not obeyed punishment's gonna happen oh and you know what the punishment is anger silent treatment verbal put-downs withdrawal from the relationship and the worst is using the children especially in divorce situations where they use the children as a manipulative tool to keep wounding the other one that is very very abusive and wrong because that person in those marriages those kids that's their mom or dad and they're going to find out on their own the flaws of the but for one parent to totally and this we see this a lot in our society today where they pit the kids against each other and those poor kids they grow up a mess many of them have mother issues or father issues as a result of who's controlling them but they use the children in their battles and they're always throwing them under the bus the other mate they're always smear camp you have to know let the kids find out for themselves if they're if they're an abuser there's some things you need to say but on the other hand it's if there's just so much that goes on that shouldn't be happening the kids should not hear it the kids don't need to feel like they have to make a choice at some point because that's their mom and their dad so i've had a lot of experience with this but if you cross me you're going to see pain that's an abusive person if you cross them my opinion what i believe and they want to force you to believe what they believe you have to be on my ship if it's either my way or the highway that's an abusive person if you show strength or individuality they will minimize your feelings and your opinions when you stand up to these narcissists or you stand up to these abusers it's instant pain because they're going to make you feel bad and then you doubt yourself you doubt what your reality is and this is what i had problems with in the church they'd make you doubt your reality you can't say you're going through something you can't say you're sick or you're going your reality is you're healed period you don't have anything else to say that's very abusive that's an abusive system that we've come out of and it made us doubt ourselves well god must not love me then this is total abuse that we've most of us have come through because they make you doubt your reality and this is what abusers do they make you doubt how you feel that you want to put up a boundary and they call that boundary wrong whether it be sexual abuse or anything they they force their way onto you and if you don't do it then they're gonna blame you you're the problem but a wise and safe person is confrontable and they do accept feedback just a little more here it's hard when we go inside and we have to deal with stuff it's almost like victims begin to doubt themselves and then they feel responsible their responsibility velcro everything it's my fault i could have changed it they got mad it was my fault they got mad uh anybody can relate to that it's it's always your fault and then you get confused usually if you're talking to somebody and they're an abuser they will confuse you in your reality all of a sudden gets lost you're being manipulated they're trying to make you doubt your reality what's real they're trying to make you take on their opinions remember god gave you a free will and choose you get to choose and we'll have to stand for the consequences of our choices but right now we have to repent when we can hallelujah but nobody has the right to make you feel and make their reality your reality even with doctrine there's people that are so abusive you believe the way i do or else really god gave us a free free choice we're not supposed to be pharisees and sadducees and manipulators and you know you give this much or else or everybody that's going to give this get on the stage so we can all see you and all this stuff that we've come through i'm so thankful you're still serving the lord people because the garbage and the junk and the manipulation and the abuse that we've all seen in these systems the fact you're still serving god it's a miracle it's a miracle but abusers are deniers you tell them that they're abusing you they'll they'll say you're the you're the problem about the way they treat others they they don't see it they don't want to see it they became calloused hard sold and that's why they don't have any empathy they can't put themselves in your shoes because they don't want to they're tired of dealing with emotions and pain so they want to cut off pain and as a result they have broken relationships their whole life because they never come back to to reconcile or to humble themselves to repent to say they're sorry you never hear an abusive person say they're sorry unless it's going to get them something but an abusive person they'll say they're sorry just to get you back in their life or to hurt you again so that's why you have to look at behaviors not their words because they're charmers now in closing to have healthy relationships we must face truth now here's a big one are you ready to face truth difficult relationships are caused by two people the person who abuses and the person who allows it sometimes we've allowed it and we haven't put up our boundaries because we didn't want to lose the relationship an example joseph no when potiphar's wife tried to seduce him what does he do he put up a boundary and he ran he left the coat right in her right there and took off right he put up a boundary when she tried to seduce him and he paid for it when we put up boundaries to people you have to be willing to lose the relationship and that's why samson didn't put up a boundary with delilah he kept saying it and she kept overriding his oh the philistines be upon you the philistines will be upon you but he kept taking down his boundary what'd she do she kept on guilting him she kept she was an abusive person and he did not keep a boundary he'd put up a boundary and this is the other thing if you're going to put up one you got to keep it and he put up a boundary towards delilah she kept running over because abusive people don't like the word no they will run over your boundaries and as a result he did not want to lose delilah if he would have been smart like joseph was even though he paid a price we know that joseph paid a price he was accused he was abusive people if they don't get their way they will smear you throw you under the bus but um samson did not want to lose delilah so he stayed in the relationship and it cost him it costs us when we stay in relationship with abusive people we can't change people but we can put up boundaries and say what we will and what we will not allow if somebody if you're married to and they constantly yell at you you can walk away and say i will not talk to you while you're yelling at me what gives you the right to yell and scream and abuse another person and think that that's okay well they don't listen to me what's with your tone your tone says a lot and a lot of people are used to yellers they're yelling from their mom and dad's yelling and other people are quiet they talk so you mix the two together and we have quite the circus so samson didn't want to lose a relationship and sometimes when you put up a boundary you and i love that when this one person always say you can't choose the outcome people have choices and if you put up a boundary and say no what would have happened if samson would have kept his boundary with delilah his whole life would have been different thank god he repented and he changed but he didn't keep his boundary with her and as a result she abused him and he had he paid the consequences abuse wears many faces it can be loud or quiet it can be abrasive or smooth psalms 55 21 his speech is smooth as butter yet war is in his heart his words are more soothing than oil yet they are drawn swords we're talking about manipulators we're talking about charmers deceitful people they can come on so sweet it's fake concern narcissists are very there's a covert there's a whole scale of narcissistic abuse and we're seeing it unfold more and more on facebook aren't we people can't even talk anymore they got to fight they got to argue they got to be right flattery charmers or now we have the positive don't be negative narcissists the positive narcs fake concern of the manipulators delilah the abuser ran down samson's boundaries she never received his no if you have people in your life they don't receive your no then you're going to have to take another boundary and you have to be willing to be able to stand to that boundary maybe take a step back maybe not receive their calls i mean whatever state you're in the holy spirit has to help you but to stay in abusive relationships god's not for that god is not for abuse misuse for people controlling and manipulating the other one delilah just kept saying if you loved me samson if you loved me what was that pure manipulation and deception so they can come off really sweet healthy relationships in closing are based on mutual respect are you in a relationship where it's one-sided with friends you do all the giving they do all the taking it should be respect do you respect the people in your life that means i want to hear your point of view because if you don't respect them you're not you don't care what they think and this is the other thing i found in uh abusive families coming through this people are very sarcastic it's a tool of the abused person because that makes them feel superior but you know what it does it wounds you're wounding you're laughing but you're hurting you're still harming you're doing great harm and when you come to these family gatherings and they're abusing each other through sarcasm that's wrong that's that's using your wit to put them down and it makes you feel one-up i feel better but really what it is is low self-esteem you have to use a tool of abuse to feel better so we don't want to do that and we've all a lot of us have come from families like that don't even ask me to repeat that have you can have difficult uh opinions you can have different opinions if you respect somebody compromise apologize resolve and you can have different disagreements some people think well i have to submit so i can't disagree and you end up being a doormat you have to know that it's okay to disagree agreeably it's okay to have different opinions people here have different opinions on everything you watch the news they have different opinions about themselves a minute ago everything's confusing this is the way to do it this is the way to do it we're changing the laws we're changing this we're changing it's going to get terribly confusing as darkness increases in these end times so what do we need to do we need to have healthy relationships we need to know the people that are around us especially in these end times know who your friends are know who the safe people are in your life know the ones you got to step back from and say they're going to harm they've hurt me before if you get a bad wound from somebody you better be careful because there's another one coming so what have we learned through life the right the we fall but we what we get back up again with another lesson we're never going to have it all together but that's why god does and jesus does because we walk and we follow with him people are always going to disappoint you you're going to disappoint yourself but our goal is to have a conscience that we god can speak to us that we can repent that we can be safe with people that we love and and as these times grow darker that we know who is in our life we know those that we can talk to and we know those that we should not share information with some people use everything you have gone through to use it against you that is so wrong right there as someone that's counseled people my whole life i actually love people the more they tell me what's what they've gone through because i understand now why they act the way they do but you don't say well they were manipulated and abused and they were raped and they were this and you're going around tell everybody you're a dangerous person then because nobody can share their heart and their secrets with you so you've got to learn to be trustworthy and that's a test that's something we're all learning and growing in but we want to be safe people amen so father we thank you that you help us through this journey of relationships in and out of church and in families and boss situations everybody finds themselves at a different place but we need to first of all judge ourselves we want to keep a soft heart we don't want to have this hard calloused heart or anxiety and fear from abuse of our past we want to walk into the future with you and with our friends and we need people around us to help us with our blind spots that won't abandon us when they see we've made a mistake they won't reject us they won't neglect us but they'll be honest those honest people that tell us lovingly confrontations it's you working through them to help us and we just thank you for those people and we want to be one of those people so 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Published: Sat Oct 10 2020