Curtis "Curtbone" Chambers on DC During Crack Era, Rayful Edmond, Alpo, Wayne Perry (Full Interview)

all right here we go we have washington dc street legend kirkbone in the building welcome to vlad tv man glad to be here man glad to be here absolutely we've done a lot of stories you know about dc uh you know we had people like ears the christ we had people like teflon sean and uh you know i feel like we really need to talk to you to kind of fill in the blanks and some of the story as well you know as well as the rainfall edmund story that we've touched on from time to time but you're the first person to actually work directly with him so i want to get into all that but before we get into that i want to start in the very beginning so you're born and raised in washington dc correct yeah lengths and terms no fees washington d.c okay and that's like the oldest projects in dc yeah oh the oldest federal the oldest federal uh um housing project in dc the second in the country wow okay one did that uh actually get put together uh it might be a year two off i think like 1934 32 34 something like that wow so it's really really old almost 100 years old yeah yeah definitely okay so what was dc like in the 70s and 80s uh when the 70s um dc was you know definitely uh chocolate city uh you know 90 percent 100 percent damn the chocolate city um you know very family-oriented you know i'm saying uh you know we got a little saying dc or nothing you know what i'm saying uh everything was just you know chocolate city back then you had a lot of little stuff going on for us you had a lot of black business uh the asians didn't really uh infiltrate that strong they probably was in spousal they was dead but you're seeing a lot of black businesses whether it be liquor stores curious et cetera cleaners our presence was real strong okay and in terms of your home life did you grow up you know family struggling or were you guys relatively okay now we just rabbits okay uh uh my mother kept a a government job my stepfather kept a job uh we was pretty cool you know i'm saying you know a lot of people around me were struggling but we were pretty cool we wasn't well off but we was you know we was probably 60 70 doing better than average family in that community okay so you're doing relatively okay but at one point you felt like you needed to do some legal things to make some extra money oh you know just being in the jungle you know saying this being that environment sometimes you know it walking your path you know what i'm saying so coming up i was i was a dude i was like the leader of my community as far as fighting and doing other stuff so i already was leadership so everybody i'm leading was very very uh hungry they was doing a little band and i wasn't doing great myself you know saying so that was kind of me wanting to get a couple dollars and enhance my buddies so that's what i really started off with you know saying i always admire the street dudes okay and at 12 years old right around 1981 that's when you really started hustling yeah probably yeah you probably started hustling far late with the weed and all that but i did other little stuff before then you know just trying to make it a couple dollars you know what i'm saying you know a little penny penny dollar hustles okay so you started with weed in 81. and i mean that's a relatively easy hustle i mean there's not a lot of violence around it and so forth so how did that go initially yeah you know it was smooth selling because you know somebody really has the system in place it was just a matter of me being right there to facilitate when people come so it wasn't you know i had to go put my whole blueprint down it was already laid there for me okay so you're working for an older guy yeah i was getting it from an older guy right and he already had clientele he established he graduated we you know he can lead the position and you know i filled it okay well at one point the wii turned into pcp yeah turned it it turned to pcp uh that was probably in probably like i don't know probably 84 85 or something like that okay and right around that time is that when crack is actually hitting dc it's easing in there it ain't really make it ain't really shows ugly face to probably 86 you know i'm saying you know strongly right there we still was coming out the little boat er uh before love though they were doing the dust uh even before dust they was doing something they called whack that's you know some [ __ ] they was creating down and spraying all type of crazy stuff on there okay now with pcp people really do insane things when high off pcp i mean you know people you know watch the friday movie and they see like you know chris tucker running around the chicken coop and running around his underwear but that's some real [ __ ] i mean i interviewed a dude um named christ bearer who ended up cutting off his own penis while high on pcp like like really insane insane things happen so so here you are selling it are you dealing with the addicts and some of the insanity that comes with it yeah yeah because it's right there you know what i'm saying so you're saying the effects of it you know saying that the the pcp it made people get real they buy to get real hot so in turn it caused them to take their clothes off so it grew a nickname what they call butt neck it you know i'm saying so and also hallucination and you know guys get for some reason they get real strong too when they you know when they have a pcp so he was right there so you seen it like what was the craziest [ __ ] that you saw with people on pcp uh with my eyes probably somebody run down the street butterball naked uh chasing somebody you know that was probably that was probably the weirdest thing the crazy thing i didn't see but you know a lady had cut her cut her baby up and put it in the freezer and at that point right there i think that kind of changed the laws when they started putting more time on it so yeah so that's when it got crowded crazy but i didn't witness that a baby was cut up by her own mother while high off pcp and put in the freezer yo like what i can't even imagine you know what you must be going through in order to do something like that yeah she wasn't the right state of mind you know that's the the the pcp had her out of her mind okay and was heroin still big in the streets yeah yeah her own always i was like the grandfather of the streets you know i'm saying that was there from the beginning you know i'm saying it always stick his head around it's like if you see a fast fold you're gonna see chick-fil-a at mcdonald's but you're always gonna see a kentucky fry somewhere okay and were you messing around with heroin at all or not really uh i i dabbled in it for one second when i end up you know what it wasn't a choice in mind because it was too visual for me you know i'm saying with those you actually seeing the effects going early in the morning somebody needed to get up you know saying you're staying in a house in shambles you're saying kids but they're not eating so my stomach wasn't really tough enough for it once again another very serious drug like if you're strung out on heroin you will do anything to get another hit it doesn't matter who you have to kill you'll rob from your own mother you'll you'll beat up your best friend anything in order to get a hit because your body is going through like a sickness like you know it needs it needs more of it um you know so so you dabbled in it and you were like nah i'm cool yeah yeah i i actually actually stayed involved here for two days i was done with 48 hours okay but then the cocaine came around oh yeah the crack came around powder was around didn't crack then the crack came and came uh right after that first it was like powder shake okay so were you selling cocaine or actually rock cocaine not end up saying started off with powder okay and that was more kind of like a rich man's drug around that time yeah that's what that's what they say right you know people actually maintain good jobs and everything else like that they'll go get some cocaine on the weekend and party and so forth but crack was was a bit different yeah crap yeah crackle was a whole different animal it was a whole different animal yeah i'm saying some people some people relate to crack just to being cooked up coke but really it had its own little mixture you know i'm saying the cooked coke was a substitute right and the effects of crack didn't really hit right away people were functional crack addicts until some years it passed so so a lot of these cities they really weren't ready for it they just thought okay just another drug recreational drug whatever they didn't really see what was happening until two three four years down the line exactly exactly yeah it snuck up on people like you said it took a while for it to get to everybody's system where you can see the side effects of it okay now here you are you're still you know relatively young and was rainfall edmonds already like a big figure in dc um not that not at that age not at that age if you're talking 83 to 85 uh now probably probably late part of 85 or 86 you start hearing his name more on on a citywide level okay and how did the two of you actually meet uh a couple of his uh friends from around his neighborhood got transferred to my high school they got put out there their high school and we got into a big altercation with and we kind of got the best of the situation and they went you know told him we ended up having a meeting and it kind of started from there okay and at that point did rainfall become your plug eventually yeah he did eventually yesterday yeah definitely yep okay and over the next few years rafal became just a massive figure in the dc drug game essentially being the biggest drug dealer in dc right that's what they say definitely he allegedly supplied 60 of the cocaine in dc based on based on the testimony or the investigation of the government yeah right they're saying that he's making 300 million dollars a year yeah i mean me being in the game i wouldn't say that was true okay if you were to guess how much how much money that organization was making it'll be hard you know i'm saying i'm a type of dude don't want to be outlandish and i don't want to underbid it right but you got to keep in mind when you hear those numbers no matter if you can't it from dc la wherever the government do their numbers based on to the last bag dime bags so they sell 100 keys they gonna do the multiplication off every dime bag in there and then they gonna get that number but you know and i know if somebody give me a key and i sell somebody else i only might have got a couple thousand on their sale and everybody make money down the line right right obviously ray flavin was not you know backing up every single kilo he was coming where he was having and so forth but it's safe to say though you'll be hard-pressed to find somebody anywhere in the country that's getting more money in them i'll say that okay and as he started to grow what was your role in the organization now i never i never was a part of the organization from day one i was an independent contractor you know i'm saying he had his strip and dudes he did what directly you know i'm saying my first initial with him was was he gave i got work and i took it where i took that and moved it you know i'm saying so no i never worked it for him okay but you were getting product from him yeah exactly okay um you know along with the money that was coming in it was a very violent organization uh they were saying that there were up to 30 murders that were committed under his reign yeah again that's what the government say but you know i know you can't believe everything they say you know what i'm saying right and they're also saying that his crew was up to 150 people no no i don't know that's not true okay how big do you think this crew was at its height 20 25. okay relatively small okay well right around 87 that's when you really hit your run round 87 ran around 87 that's when i probably went to a whole nother level you know i'm saying but i gotta say i was living off the land from since 82. okay so what happened in 87 the uh the rate for the rayford relationship grew yeah i'm saying he ended up getting a hell of a plug from you know la dude and that they had a straight connection to columbus so of course the work was heavy there okay so at your height how many keys were you buying at a time yeah well i'd rather keep that to myself right there but it was it was it was a whole lot you know what i'm saying it was a whole lot i'll say that two or three dudes that i was serving ended up getting kingpin charged in other cities in virginia and other different cities okay well you mentioned one of your interviews that during that time in dc death was an error and any little infraction would really cause just the worst effects uh in terms of murders and killing and everything else like that describe that environment and how bad things were getting during that time it was tough you know i'm saying because at the time when crack hit it end up bringing guests into the house when i say guests you're talking out of town as far as like new york guys and jamaica's guys so when they came down you know putting a flag down and trying to put their flag down it caused people to it caused frictions and beasts and in the turn people started getting a lot of money just imagine what you saying right now in the day with all the killing and if you say all these crews that you said all this killer around the city around the country had real money with their movement so that's when you got pictures in the 80s a whole bunch of killing but dudes got money while they doing it okay i mean you personally in terms of what you were involved with were people around you getting killed the people people yeah people around was getting killed yeah people remember getting killed people i know was getting killed it was the murder capital at that time probably two or three years in a row and then you got to keep in mind pg county had murder that wasn't even our count but it was our it was still the same action so that wouldn't be coming into our account okay and at one point alpo you know who was from harlem started to go to dc and started to make his connections in your city so when did you actually meet alpo like i said i probably technically met him from about 86 or something like that but we started being our relationship got a little close probably like the middle the middle of the late part of 87 going to 88 where 88 i'm gonna say 88. okay so when you first met alpo what'd you think oh i i didn't thought i already had already seen it moving around i already had people that was close up on them that was getting giving me the opinion of them you know so i know some girls he dealt with again my man was [ __ ] with him i mean when i first met him you know he was chill you said he was chill okay so there's other you know outside of rifle of course there's other dc guys that are moving around and making moves and so forth uh one of them was ears the christ who i recently interviewed how did you and ears get to know each other well i i met either the christ dude by man andre tank yeah andre tank johnson i knew eve as a young guy but i we started interacting through andre but i knew of him you know okay so so how did you and andre get to know each other through somebody that that i was serving that was his partner so you know so i ended up meeting andre through uh his you know his initial partner okay and were you guys actually working together and doing business or just kind of a casual relationship yeah he was one he was one of my customers aha so you were you were basically his plug yeah yeah yeah you could say that that plug worked tickle me though but you can say that okay all right and then right around 89 you ended up introducing uh alpo to ears of christ and andre tank johnson yeah yeah yeah 89 april apart now i wasn't able probably about the summer 89 but i was i interviewed i was incarcerated when it happened my ears might have had a timeline messed up he said something about on the streets it didn't happen that way i introduced to him to tank when he was uh when i was incarcerated we promised so much to be like man i'm gonna turn out onto a good dude you feel me so we was like okay well he's pumping so much kirk like she be like going out so we put up on him one night he was trying to take his uh lady to the movies we had to bag him to go get some [ __ ] for us he said we don't sleep we trying to get paid we trying to get rich so he did it he came back gave us a [ __ ] the next day he was like man i'm gonna turn out on to my man he's a good man y'all good man so he introduced us to our puerto rican apple martinez al porter red that's what i called him yep okay so is this you being incarcerated over the whole rafale edmond right that was happening right yeah i got locked up i was in diet i mean we're not diet was locked up april 89 um you know for the rape of edmund case at that time okay so essentially okay i i see what you're saying so so you're already off the street and you just kind of made a connection while you were locked up right yeah yeah yeah tank actually uh you know reached out to me and you know i you know say what do you think about saying you know doing some business with myself you know he's getting he's getting a few joints i'm saying you could do something where you know he you know he ain't a bad guy and they end up you know bon you know bonnie relationship at that point okay so so let's talk about this bus in 89 so this was the largest drug case in dc history you know aka the rafale edmond case so what what led up to all these indictments and arrests and everything else like that oh yeah the um fbi laid down the investigation through uh through this lady that uh ray zanville a white lady that ray was dealing with ended up be working with the police so she ended up emphasizing not infiltrating but wearing a wire and you know talking to his mother talking to friends and family members and was getting a lot of information and taking it back to the uh the government and they built their case around that okay so when they actually built their case how many people were arrested um i forgot exact numbers even it was either 30 or 29 or 31 and one of those numbers okay and you were one of those thirty yeah okay so you get arrested you get indicted for conspiracy murder after the fact uh the gun that was used in the murder and with all that you're facing 35 to life exactly okay and you're how old are the time like 20 years old 20 yep turn to just turn 20. okay so how does a 20 year old react to hearing 35 to life that's more years that's damn near twice as many years you've been alive at this point yeah isn't that a good thing to hear definitely you know i'm saying but uh i was a different 20 not saying i was a super tough guy but i was around a lot of older dudes as young you know running running urns for the trap house and different things like that so having those conversation and that situation wasn't foreign to me so i was just trying to figure out what's the best way to try to beat these people okay and i'm assuming you know just like it always happens in the you know in law enforcement when they arrest you they offer you hey listen you know you're not the main guy that we're going after you know we're going after rifles so hey cooperate give us some some information we'll make that 35 turn into one or two years or you know or get off with probation were you offered that in the beginning right yeah now that's a lot of tv [ __ ] people be saying that don't normally happen the government do they when they when they come and get you the feds they they did their homework they got their case already wrapped up so they already know who they can ask those questions to who they can't ask those questions to so if they doing an investigation their pinpoint we can ask joe blow this but we can't ask hurry that and i was a hurry dude yeah i mean 98 conviction rate i mean yeah so joe there's a lot of joe blows but there's some hurries on there too though so they're gonna get some help that's why they gang up a lot of people hope somebody break but they don't actually they don't bring everybody in for interrogation i mean trying to make them help themselves that's a lot of tv stuff right there okay so you were never offered to cooperate no okay so but here you are 20 years old facing life in prison worst case did you have lawyer money at the time yeah okay how much did you spend on your lawyer he was like 85 or 90. okay damn near 100 grand yeah it's interesting how many people live this type of life and they get arrested then they go and get a public defendant you know what i'm saying and like don't prepare for was which is often the inevitable situation of of getting arrested but you actually had put aside a good amount of money to get the best lawyer to actually protect you right yeah like i say fortunately i was raised by older cats that already been around the barn okay so they were telling you like just keep stacking money on the side because you know yeah they'll actually take they tell you but you hustle enough and you hear you say enough stories that bear around you you get two plus two is four okay so they offer you the 35 to life and then you know what happens in most cases is as you get closer and closer to the trial date they start to kind of chip that number down and so forth right um yeah uh yeah uh no they they trying to get every day out your ass they ain't trying to trick me down like you said unless you're getting some assistance or something like that right but you know well i mean in terms of plea deals like usually yeah you're right right they offer you plea deals okay okay i got you that's what i'm saying also your first plea deal was how much uh my first tweet that they offered me was like a um it was like a lesser conspiracy uh keep me attached to the case uh that was i forgot what was called it was a lesser conspiracy i got the number they called it so that was the first joint they gave me and i turned that was down and i'll tell you and i turned it down because i i based on my my own uh decision i ain't what my other co-defender said you went early you heard us so you know so i turned that one down okay well the murderer after the fact uh indictment what was that about oh yeah uh uh uh sorry sorry before before you actually answer that what does that even mean murder after the fact i've never even heard that before right that means somebody kill somebody right now and he leave and go somewhere and you you get her he get around you they give you the uh accessory after the fact of the murder so if i kill somebody right now in this studio and go get in my car somebody down there with me in the car they're going to put them to the case and say you use you was guilty about after the fact and they talked the same gun using the case also that the person might have used okay and they try to tie you to that so basically they're saying that someone else killed someone and then went to go hang out with you afterwards right yeah well what actually happened is someone uh you know put that work in and then they went all the way across town and they end up getting the car with me the person who dropped them off across town caught a case six or seven months ago and he told them the whole situation from the murder all the way to where the seller went so that's how i got tied into the case oh okay but it has to be more than just you go hang out with someone does it do they try to prove that after the murder they talked to you about the murder and you knew about it and everything else like that no you see you see what i'm trying to say like like i mean because you can go get into a cab after a murder inside the cab driver don't get tied into what you're you're in the cab no guys in the relationship they ain't been investigating you in the cash driver y'all be on the same calls and hanging out and all that type of stuff okay so basically they're trying to say you're part of this murder conspiracy in some sort of way yeah i keep my names they work they investigate then they're trying to put the conspiracy together all this happened during the same timeline okay during this time did they give you bail or you sitting in jail no they didn't know no bear was in i was in jail okay because you're a flight risk i mean they consider ottawa just because you know the nature of the case and the notoriety of it okay so how long are you sitting in jail while this whole case is kind of developing um i said the whole time and two days before they came up with my sentence and i ended up you know um you know going through my time but they probably the the truck i probably settled dc jail what they call on the as for like probably like 14 15 months okay and by this time is this the first time you're actually getting locked up yeah i got locked up before but i never did no jail time as a juvenile got it okay so here you are locked up for a year and some change and your lawyer is doing what he does and eventually they get they get the the offer down to just money laundering [Music] and they give you a plea deal to that exactly were you actually money laundering during this time or was it just something they they gave you just let me get something on you no no in money laundering people look at money laundering straight from a business aspect aspect but money launch can mean if you take some illegal money if i go gamble on the street and win fifty thousand dollars and i go open the business i just lost that money so we had it was a parenthesis in there for gambling my my defense and my uh defense to my lawyer was i was a gambler i never meant to do nothing but gambling so we we so we ended up using that same theory to go there actually the government didn't offer that to me we put that together and proposing to them because they kept on trying to offer me all these deals so we figured out something to take you down okay so you basically said i'm not a drug dealer i'm a gambler all this money came from gambling i'll admit to using gambling money to try to start legitimate businesses and you know which will take me out of this whole raffle edmond kind of umbrella of drug dealing and murder and everything else like that yeah you're exactly right and back and by record i'm not if you do you put up the files i'm not even part of their case they actually dropped my rate for evan case and i i pleaded guilty to the money launch i created my own my own charge for them okay and were you using money to actually start businesses which is how the money laundering thing even came together or no no this is just the gambling aspects of it the gambling was enough okay got it okay so you went from 35 to life to getting 51 months yeah 51 months exactly four years three months right and then yeah and you're you're 20 21 at the time yeah uh yeah i started off at 20. so i don't know what's probably 21 when i want you to face party i'm assuming okay so you take this deal for four years and three months [Music] rainfall edmond at the same time is going through a very different type of case though [Music] he ends up getting life in prison when you heard about rafe getting life what do you think it was a shitty deal yeah i thought it was i thought it was crazy yeah i'm saying but you know again i knew that i knew i knew that was the end game they were trying to do but i just i thought it was a crazy thing to get in boys life for selling drugs well even at that level i mean providing 60 of all the drugs making hundreds of millions of dollars like yeah about to take millions however you want to say it yeah well that's the same people said you made 80 million what a week or month or something so you know just like you said after factual murder because somebody jumped in your car across town so it's they gain they make the rules you just gotta do don't get courtney rubes well he gets life in prison and his mother gets 14 years and is that because of the the white girl that was like recording the mom and everything else yeah yeah yeah the stuff that she had in the y type and you know things that she she said it hurt him okay so he gets his case he he starts his prison term but he continues to sell drugs in prison so then he gets an extra 30 years on top of it and in 1996 it actually gets revealed that he became a government informant were you surprised did he turn to form it yeah i was definitely surprised definitely okay i mean how close were you guys before you got locked up super close probably like like brothers okay what was it about rafael that was different from everyone else that really allowed him to get to that level because a lot of people that got they got the means and the connection like that don't really want to see other people eat so he he was trying to let everybody eat so that made him different and that just alone trying to make sure everybody ate right but with his copper with his cooperation uh 11 other alleged drug dealers ended up getting arrested yeah but you're talking past 96 i'm i'm talking about my ear so now so what's your question about that yeah sorry sorry sorry i'm jumping around my apologies okay so so let's just jump back to 1996 again okay so he starts to cooperate and the story is a little fuzzy around his cooperation they were saying i remember i saw a documentary where they saying he cooperated because the agreement was that they would let his mother out of prison right did you hear the same thing yeah i heard the same thing okay he cooperates his mother gets out of prison but with his cooperation 11 other people end up going to prison right did you know those 11 any of those 11 guys yeah yeah i knew i knew probably all of them really so how did you feel that 11 well one guy that you you know was like your brother went and snitched on 11 other people that you knew right they were probably just living their life and i don't know whether they were retired at this point or not but you know when that happened how big of an impact was that to you it crushed me you know what i'm saying because i always feel like that he was going to play the game over to the end you know i'm saying actually actually when he was doing his time from 89 to that point that was something that a lot of dc dudes laid their head on there he got life without parole his mother on everybody and he still held up so when that news came down the pipe it was hard to believe right and because of him doing that he actually went into witness protection within the prison system so they put him in a totally different prison and changed his name and everything else like that and he's somewhere in the country at some prison somewhere basically like i've never even heard of witness protection within the prison program but i guess this is a real thing yeah yeah yeah but it's a few it's a future i know when i was in oldest village to have a they have a population side and they have a side for informant so it might be a couple of jails they might have a whole nother side that that's trapped off that they you know they don't think they'd be having a whole bunch of separate jails all over the place just for informers some joints they just got on site but they never interact right right okay so so let's just jump back to your story again so you end up taking the 51 months and uh they take you to uh oakdale louisiana yeah arena oklahoma down to oakdale louisiana all right so you get locked up but dc is still on fire and you know i know that you were you weren't there to actually witness all this stuff but people that you knew were really going through some really serious issues in the streets so in 1990 alpo ends up killing rich porter along with a big head gary and big head gary is a dc guy right yeah you knew gary yeah i'm the guy okay so tell me about gary and what his reputation was and so forth he was you know good good little dude you're saying that you know not little would be little but he was a cool dude uh you know just uh getting him a couple dollars trying to figure it out right so alpo after the murder of rich porter ends up basically running away to dc because harlem was you know basically a mess at this point because of how many people really love rich porter he goes to dc and he links up with wayne perry and you know wayne perry as well yeah i know wayne okay and was wayne always considered like an enforcer or a hit man in dc i mean i i just knew you know he was he was one of the guys as a thorough dude that you know did what he had to do but we have a lot of guys doing it like that so we didn't really we didn't title guys like that you're saying that's again that's government language got it well then in 1991 alpo has big head gary kill andre tank johnson who is your man yeah yeah that's my man that's my man you're locked up while this is happening yeah but you hear the news yeah did you know i mean when andre tank johnson got killed did you know in prison that alpo or gary were connected to it or no um you know the streets be talking so you know prison gets some time fast in the streets dude okay i mean how did you how did you take that news because you and tank were actually close well yeah yeah i was [ __ ] up right there i was i was [ __ ] up at that i mean and that's that moment when i got that news that's what made me cut him off and never spoke to him again just on that right there alpo right okay because were you and apple still in contact up to that point before that yeah he used to come up uh dc jail to see me you gotta understand people keep saying he came to dc after wayne he was down dc price in the 86 or something like that so he ain't just coming dc he was down you got to pre wan i'll pull you got to post alpo you know what i'm saying so the pre outpost was on best behavior he wasn't doing on that that [ __ ] that you end up saying he was doing so you know what i'm saying right around this time alpo and wayne perry are essentially going on a killing spree in dc uh you know along with tank johnson getting killed uh alpo has uh gets dementia killed um and then alpo wayne perry ended up killing a woman right by the white house like a couple blocks away and i mean essentially it was just like murder after murder after murder after murder like are you hearing about all this stuff yeah you haven't bought it yeah dc is small town so everybody into the loop what's going on you're hearing about different stuff oh okay and you know but prior to that alpo was visiting you in dc and you guys were actually talking right he could write you talking 1989 past 89 left to dc jail apple came here to come and see me he actually started coming to see me because when i left he started feeling the attention the pressure dude trying to get up on him so i'm in i'm in jail i don't know what that looked like who it is who it ain't his so i i had a little buddy named little pop that was real dangerous and i just said he about to come on you let him ride with you that'll keep the cheat off you so pop ended up walking in the wing okay well by november 7th 1991 alpo gets arrested in dc and that's when all the charges start to actually hit him uh he gets hit with 14 counts of murder um as well as you know drug charges conspiracy charges and everything else like that he was facing seven life sentences [Music] or the death penalty and instead of actually dealing with that he ends up churning and forming uh he ends up admitting to 14 murders eight murders in dc two in maryland and four in new york and the main person he testifies against is wayne perry and with that cooperation wayne perry gets five consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole yeah yeah when you heard of that what did you think i said that that's a hell of a pill to swallow right there you know i just thought it was a hell of a pill to swallow right and for his cooperation he gets his uh prison sentence reduced to 35 years right yeah that lets you know how the government play with that they favor you i mean yeah 14 murders yeah yeah and that's crazy that's crazy that's actually crazy yeah so as you're doing your prison time you do get into some altercations along the way yeah yeah yeah just yeah a couple little uh fight joints not no and no blood was spilled well in the prison system is there like the territorial beef of like hey these guys don't like dc and these guys don't like baltimore these guys don't like new york you know because of you know wars back home and so forth oh yeah yeah yeah it's a lot of that going in the prison system you know i'm saying but you know so our city in particular is one of the top of the cities that they really don't don't [ __ ] with okay so so how bad are the situations in prison is it just fist fights or do you ever are there ever any attempts on your life or anything else like that well my life i didn't have no attempts on it but you know i've seen people that had attempts on their life uh you know i had i probably had three quick real quick joints you know and uh actually three different places where i was at and that that was it you're saying you got to keep in mind for the most part dc prisoners we our old our older prisoners are always back in the 60s and 50s they laid it down so much the red copper really out there you don't say yo it's very similar you really gotta get some action unless you just being overzealous well in 1993 you get out of prison yes yeah after serving around four years uh close to four i actually technically got a summer of 92 went to the halfway house okay well didn't you end up getting out and then getting put back in yeah when i came from jail they uh they and they locked me up probably about [ __ ] three or four months later on a a never drop child's uh uh conspiracy okay so you get out you're out for a couple months and then you get thrown back in prison for how long uh i probably you know i probably still about a month or two and then i put me in the halfway house too we went to court okay when you come out this is this is 1993. at this point the whole massacre happened in in dc uh you know alpo is off the street wayne perry's off the street uh big head gary's dead andre tank johnson is dead how do you feel walking back into dc at this point um [ __ ] i was happy to be home you know what i'm saying and and that and that and that and that game right there man it's a war you casually you're gonna lose casualties okay and at that point did you feel like you have to be done with the drug game all together or do you feel like oh i'm just going to maybe dabble here and there to try to make a few ends meet or you see what i'm saying yeah now i was already mentally done before i came home i already knew i was done with the game when i came out i was you know when i was putting my plans together and plotting plans together i knew i was done already okay and what made you come to that conclusion uh numerous reasons but the main first reason was when i was over dc jail facing 35 to life and when i when i actually say my prayers i was all i told god i say man give me a shot to get back out on the streets without keeping my dignity and not cross no lines you know i give life a fair chance so that that was the first thing then when i got there had a door in 1993-94 that sealed the deal when i held it on my hands there you have it and then at that point you started promoting parties the promoting party and start throwing parties yeah i i mean all the party promoting is you know depending on who you are could be lucrative yeah it's not like the drug game no it's not even close you know i mean i mean legal money and illegal money you know the fact you got to pay taxes and you know everything else like that and do things properly as opposed to just moving weight was it a was it an adjustment to try to basically deal with a lifestyle that you know you can no longer get it what the truth it wasn't adjusted for me like that vlad because it wasn't the money that i used to get in the streets but the money i was getting my party i was probably getting more than the average dude on the block you know i'm saying i was throwing the biggest parties in dc so i was probably getting a hundred hundred forty fifty a year so that's gonna have to live on okay so you're making real legal money i mean did that feel good to finally really go yeah just for your feet that feel good and [ __ ] you know what i'm saying you feel good and [ __ ] you know i'm saying because the people betting against you statistics say you're going to go back in once you leave out so that was motivation feel good i mean but being back in dc were there any sort of old beefs and you know people that felt that you owed the money or you did them wrong or anything else like that no no i definitely owe nobody no money but you know and i i didn't have an open beach that i know about you don't know there's always some ghost somewhere to feel a certain type of way but i ain't had an obvious okay well then fast forward to 2015 alpo gets released from prison and goes into the witness protection program uh in maine did you hear of alpo getting released from prison yeah i mean they were saying this so often before he actually released you just kept handing him her hand then eventually when somebody showed a picture something that's you know i knew he was out there but they was saying it right and in 2018 he actually started appear in alp in uh in harlem right yeah yeah yeah right and that was at that point where he's basically like becoming like a little local celebrity again like he's he's taking pictures of people he's riding around with like christian dior helmets on his motorcycle he's going to parties uh and so forth and it was really like everyone that knew the story including myself are looking at this goal like you know this is this is crazy like why after all the people that he killed all the people he told on all the the people he ripped off and slapped around and everything else like that he's going back to that same area around all those same people to try to reclaim whatever glory he had in his heyday did that surprise you no it didn't surprise me you know i'm saying cuz i know he was a dude that was a a a freak for attention you know what i'm saying so i was surprised i actually my buddies always say he home before he came home i should say he's not home because he didn't type if he home he got not gonna be resisting being seen so him doing that wasn't surprising me what surprised me was you out on halloween night when masters was normal to wear that was a surprise to me right and on october 31st 2021 at 3 30 a.m alpo martinez was shot and killed while sitting in his car uh as he's trying to drive away he's throwing drugs out the window to try to get rid of the evidence but ultimately dies before medical attention uh could get to him uh number one when you heard that story what did you think i thought it was [ __ ] i mean i thought with [ __ ] you know i'm saying or he did a disgrace to a dude that was supposed to get money if you're gonna you know you come back home and you you play on that level right there so i thought it was [ __ ] i thought the government was trying to clean up some of their work meaning that they're trying to that they killed him or the government killed him or he didn't really die and they're trying to cover it up right they're trying to just put him somewhere he's trying to i think they were just trying to justify why he died because at the end of the day he still was under they they watched if he left the the program or not he was still out there because of their decision so i think they wanted to make it seem like that you know he went out his way to get killed which he obviously did well uh the story actually ended up developing a little bit later because because in the beginning everyone thought okay this was someone this is maybe a close family member of someone he killed or a close friend or someone he killed or maybe this was he ripped off someone from a drug deal you know whatever 30 years ago and there you know they never let it go and so forth but then you start to find out the real reason and it was actually kind of almost stupid where i guess there was a road rage incident was just some random guy in harlem something happened between the two of them where i don't know alpo screamed at him or disrespected him or whatever else and this guy basically you know you know after they went through his phone later on he had basically been like keeping track of alpo and figuring out where he was and you know sort of following him in a certain type of way and then on halloween night he just happened to see him pulled out a pistol and just unloaded on him and killed him and i guess the guy is actually in rikers right now facing these charges when you found out that's what i mean you heard the story right yeah i ended up hearing that story yeah when you find out that this is the way that he died what did you think man like i tell everybody man all calls me coming to lions you know what i'm saying so i think he slept on his prey you know what i'm saying and shawty did his homework you know and took him out of his misery yeah and at the time that he died uh you didn't really see a lot of rips or you know he's in a better place or you know he's looking down at us right now smiling you know it's really like people were glad that he was dead um rich porter's niece uh said we waited a long time for this day to come and we are happy that's why we're out here celebrating drinking champagne everybody's reaction right now is celebratory it's a celebration for harlem period every dog has their day now my uncle could finally rest in peace 32 years later it's just that pain my mother felt all these years i've been feeling the pain with her every dog has their day and today was his i believe in karma and i'm glad that i was here to witness it all right um you know i interviewed a z faison who was you know his his partner at one point he felt that he just killed himself you know that that heart that that alpo was a dude that just could not let go of the fame he couldn't let go of him being a snitch you know he wanted to prove people that he still somehow won in this game and that's why he continued to hang out and and be like on the block and everything else like that he could have really lived if he had stayed in maine the whole time witness protection he'd be alive right now eating a lobster roll chilling if it happened alpo killed himself to me bro he killed himself bro he didn't accept the laws you lost in the game they put you in maine gave you a decent job if it was me if the shoe was on my foot i would have stayed in maine worked my job and stayed away from that world period bro i got another chance bro all the [ __ ] i did thank you god bro i'ma stay up here and try to create a whole new life if someone want to do my story get at me make my money and i would have never came back to this [ __ ] bro right right yeah right yeah yeah i um i i can feel the rich part of family pain you know i'm saying all the way down to they the little boy got his finger cut off right but the the rich porter joint kind of hit me a certain way you know i'm saying i met him we interacted five or six times you know i'm saying and he actually when i first ever met him pulled me to the side where alpo was running around driving a little bronco with a loud horn you know [ __ ] with this little neighborhood and he said man look man i don't know a lot about you i heard a lot about you man but he don't know what type of town he is whatever you do man try to look out for him man cause he you know he get a little happy go lucky so to me i thought that was honorable for him to pull over you know a dude basically blanket and emphasize that so when i heard he killed him it took it [ __ ] me up so you're saying that rich porter was actually looking out for alpo and making sure that he's good with the people around him right he's not the same guy right that's his first time meeting me he only heard of me through alpo with some girls that he was dealing with in dc that he did his research so he pulled me to the side i was like man man do me a favor man just look out for him man you know what i'm saying he's a little wild though how to go lucky and i just thought that was i thought that was special i always had a special report for him in my heart for sure right and were you actually doing business with rich porter as well no no i just every time i go down this we just kick it we'll meet up and just chop it kick it a little bit you know what i'm saying i mean yeah i mean everyone loved rich porter i mean when rich porter died it was like a tragedy in harlem and here's this guy that's like looking out for alpo only to have apple kill him over over some money really right right yeah it was a shitty shitty excuse too yeah well here you are you're almost you know 20 damn near 30 years out of the drug game when when you look at dc now and you look at sort of what happened over the years do you feel any level of guilt in terms of what you were doing you know back in the 80s in terms of drugs that were being pushed through the neighborhood and the effects that crack ultimately had or do you feel like well if i didn't do it someone else would have done it no i feel i feel like an idiot i feel [ __ ] up you know what i'm saying you know actually the work i do every day is based on the fact of what i did to the team or played a part of doing to the town so now i don't feel like i feel like an idiot you don't hear too many people saying that yeah yeah well i was trained to take responsibility why do you think that the majority of people to this day even people in their 50s and 60s i mean i would say probably about eighty percent of the people i interview who are in similar positions as you usually say hey man if i if i didn't sell it to them there's there's a guy right next to me that would have sold it you know what i'm saying like i i didn't make anyone take these drugs you know they came to me to buy it i didn't put a gun near their head um you know people like doing drugs i was just the facilitator why do you think most people take that route as opposed to saying i feel like an idiot and i did the wrong thing yeah i mean personally if i had to guess i say some people tell they said what they need to do to go to sleep you know what i'm saying so you know with me i just like to deal with reality and deal with faculty i'm saying we can't be questioning statistics say that that er you're seeing the side effects from it now when you see all these drive-bys in philly and dc and chicago that's a side effect from that do you feel like dc is is worse now about the same or over overall better worse why is that because the youngest like i say with the crack taking them taking their mothers and fathers out of the house they freestyling you know what i'm saying at least when we was doing [ __ ] it wasn't no better or worse we had more killings we still was able to have some type of understanding from the old dude pulling you over you know saying acquire some stuff you know i'm saying and plus when we lose the murder capital again not making killing cool no level the majority people with a lot of people getting killed was in the game now used to the day you got babies and women getting killed at a higher rate you know i'm saying so it's it's it's we made it worse i mean yeah unfortunately i mean that's true you know and like i said back then people didn't really know what crack was or the long-term effects of it or or anything else like that it was just hey here's just this new hustle we could take this you know ounce of cocaine and churn into way more and make way more money off of it and you know everyone's buying it up and um we're young we're teenagers we're we just want to buy some new jordans and you know maybe get a car and you gotta understand crack was a crack was an easy hustle ain't taking no hustle skills to do it you know what i'm saying all you got to do is be in the building they got six units or more and you ain't got to come outside and make money you know what i'm saying so yeah that's why the crack opened the streets up to everybody to get in the game that wasn't even planning on getting the game and it was a side effect of that also yeah no exactly so what's next for you at this point oh yeah right now i'm just raising my kids i mean they grown now you know what i'm saying uh my all days tv uh on youtube i'm doing you know i'm watching your moves seeing what you're doing you know i'm saying to other guys you know that's doing the same thing shout out to them i don't know we can get shout outs to your show but yeah watching that yeah the gully tv the millionaire for game uh you know uh all those guys i'm watching everybody doing and i'm trying to you know put my [ __ ] in level but i'm just kind of come from a different perspective you're saying because usually a lot of guys on this on your side of the camera they really talking a lot so they didn't experience which is not a bad thing i just want to get a point of view from some guy who actually lived and played on all levels so you know and opens and and help give you know get somebody some uh they stories out there so they can be able to eat you know some you know clothing companies hair salons whatever so i want to use my fame for that that's why i threw parties well i mean this is the right time to do it i mean with with youtube which wasn't around you know 15 years ago right yeah it actually allows everyone to come in with their own you know unique perspective on things and yeah i mean i didn't come from a street you know from the streets or whatever else you know but i bring in people and i have them tell their perspective and i ask the questions i got the interviews and you know it provides a certain level of uh perspective from people who grew up like me who've always heard about this stuff but never actually experienced it but you know there's people like you that come in with a totally different perspective with a different set of questions right and and a different you know sort of blueprint in terms of how you guys do your interviews and everyone could be just as successful right now yeah it's ruined the earth is big you know what i'm saying it's plentiful it's room for a lot of people to eat you know i'm saying so you know this guy finally lane you know saying when i did the study of your show i got a lot of calls just knowing i was coming up here when i did the analytics on it everybody i'm trying to reach follow your show so i said i got to get on there because my orders did so you know i'm saying so i had to speak to them there you go and what's the what's the you know the actual url of your youtube channel my youtube channel is kirkbone tv my instagram is kirkbone underscores dc did i say youtube kirkbone tv is my youtube channel and my instagram is kirkbone underscore dc there you go well kirpan i appreciate you coming in man uh you were an important part of a a very interesting part you know time in d.c and uh you know i think it's a time that i don't think will ever happen again because this is the 80s and it's the lawlessness of that era there was no no one had cell phones back then right you know there were no video cameras back then uh there were no satellites you know and everything else there like you know back then you could get away with the murder you know if no one saw you and you didn't tell anybody yeah these days that's not really possible the ring camera i mean the ring camera is is doing more work than the police doing exactly and the internet will you know the internet detectives will put the pieces together before the police will right yeah you know the police actually have like i remember i interviewed um you know this one guy who's an ex nypd uh corey pages like he says that in the nypd there's like 30 or 40 people that just sit on social media all day long and just sit there and use that information to help solve their crimes you crack codes that's all they do these are full-time jobs for police officers to sit in front of social media and go through instagram and twitter yeah exactly exactly and let me two things real quick before you close out one man uh i'd love to get you on my show and interview you uh i got you everything is possible you know what i'm saying and and and number two i mean i'm in the business now is is trying to save lives kids i only [ __ ] with kids and old people in the middle got to figure it out but with that being saying i love to be a consultant with you when you interviewing dudes in my background could i see a few holes you'll be missing when you talk to a lot of them guys and i like to you know be a part of that too you know what i'm saying also to help grow my brain but again man we gotta say these kids out here so ask some of these guys the right question so they can take the cape off turn the clock camp there you go kerphone appreciate you coming in and sharing your story man i wish you all the best man kirkbone tv man make sure to check me out peace

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