Blue Boy on Killing Larry Davis & 2 Other People, Doing 39 Years, Becoming a Crip (Full Interview)

all right here we go we have luis rosado aka blue boy uh who's back from doing 39 years in prison welcome to vlad tv i appreciate thank you well you know you have a very powerful name that's been ringing off for for quite a while but this is your first time here so i want to get into your whole story so you grew up in the lower east side well you saw eastern avenue d okay what were the 70s and 80s like in the leds [Laughter] that was drug consensual that was the capital of heroin you got the back then you had the black sunday you got executive toilet poison coke 45 checkmate just to name a few got it and what nationality are you exactly i'm puerto rican okay and you grew up primarily with your mom because your dad was locked up yeah my father was an affairs and during state time okay what was he in the feds4 for drugs and murder wow okay um do you know how long he was sentenced he would set this to um 26 years okay he did oh if he did 18 came home then got arrested got arrested in 1991 and did time from all the way to he passed away in 2015 in fish scale did you have any sort of relationship with him at all yeah i had a a minor relationship with him because when he came home i was winning for a little while before he went to jail well i went to jail first and then we ran into each other in sing-sing and we did a year together in singing almost two years i got there in january um 9 9 7 and i left october october 9 8. so all that time i spent with him i mean what was that like like you don't really you know you spent all these years not knowing him at all and suddenly you guys are in prison together and you know but you're both adults at this point you know the childhood thing was never there you know what was that like oh man it was a little difficult because i already had a reputation and i was getting into stuff in the same thing as well you know what i'm saying we was in 16 together our h company and um he was the porter he was he'd been there for years at that time he was over there for years and um it was hard you know because i didn't want to do something and then worry about something happening to him for something i did you know what i'm saying and that and and in a way that's what happened i had i got into a situation with a person and i ended up we ended up stabbing him up and the guy would see my father on the visit and he swung on my father a couple of times what i was saying but i was about that was about it yeah crazy you have uh four brothers right i got four brothers okay so you're growing up in the lower east side and is your mom pretty much raising all five kids on her own yeah okay so how tough was that growing up in a household where mom is struggling yeah it was it was tough you know what i said but i i've been going junior round home since i was 9. you know i'm saying so you know i wasn't really there for most of the time i was either in the group homes or locked up in a facility upstate somewhere you know so okay so at nine years old what starts to happen to get you in trouble well what happened was i got into a fight and and then i pushed my teacher down the stairs he started okay that'll do it yeah so they sent me a way to spar fit because my mom at the time she wasn't there when they brought me home when the police brought me home she wasn't there so they had to leave me with somebody and i have nobody i could i didn't know the address like that i could walk you there but i couldn't i didn't know the building nothing like that i could walk you there but so they had to take me to sparfit and that was a whole beginning of the wax of being you know getting caught up in the lifestyle you know well you know you said you know leading up to the situation where the shooting occurred you know you said in one of your interviews that you were actually drug dealing robbing and really just kind of getting into it during that time yeah yeah i was selling drugs at the age of 12. i started selling drugs at the age of 12. i've been i was doing robberies i i've done a couple shootings you know we at the time the people that i was running with there we was at war with a a group of people from allen street you know i don't know if you're familiar with that street but that's who we was at war with at the time you know i ended up getting shot by them you know so i've been through a lot of things on on on that side of the store you know well at one point while you're going through the juvenile system you're actually locked up with mike tyson right i'm in contact with him now he's trying to say yeah i've interviewed him before cool guy uh mike tyson yeah you know i'm in contact with him now i'll be he want me to come out there in nevada i can't go on nov i still got parole you know but like i said i had a lot of good people reach out to me i you know i i've been fortunate to have good people have my true my sons there for me my art a few good people you know and i can't complain i'm saying what was mike tyson like back then cause how old he was a teenager back then yeah i was with him in triumph and sparfit i was responsible when he first got to tattoo mike written on his arm i had a tattoo the same day he got hit the same person did the same tattoo for me you know when we was there and spark it with the with the pencil lead and the thing from the from the um checkers the little round little things we melt that and we make tattoos out of that thank you for inc okay was mike tyson knocking people out in prison back then yeah he listened he had a fight with with a counselor named losing trial there's a council named bob stewart uh um he used to be a professional boxer but his eye he caught a bag cut over his eye and that messed him up what saying but they couldn't box no more so when we was in triumph he used to bring boxing gloves in to spa with us to show us how to box and mike one time hit him one time with a with a hammer put him on his knees you don't say that was like classic you know like like i said he's an old friend of mine since he was kids so you know right and uh i guess you and king tut were really close in prison that's my man too there's a lot of people okay you know i know i know him for years too we was all at rockets islands we use kids and he's in touch with me as well you know yeah right and people know king tut because he was somehow allegedly involved with the whole tupac shooting at quad studios and so forth yeah but like i said i bet i've been around 39 years in prison so i've been around all the guys i could name you a bunch of guys that i've been around that we comrades and we friends you know known guys you know what i'm saying you know you probably heard a baby sam you know another another guy you don't say there's so many people i can name you that i've been around and we oh my man david gilbert you ever heard of him not exactly what did he do david gilbert was involved in the new york almond british robbery in 1981 you know he was another one a good man you know respectable there's so many people like i could name like i've been around it's just crazy you know yeah i mean quite a life quite a life so i guess in 1981 you had an issue with some guy in your neighborhood and he ended up going to navy because of the issue yeah yeah yeah that was the kid's brother that i ended up catching this case but before i get into that let me just say this right and oh and then we could go on if it's all right with you of course yeah um i'm not trying to glorify anything i've done that's number one and number two i don't want the family to feel that i'm glorifying or enjoying what i'm saying about about the my incidents with these people but this is part of my life this is part of my record this is something that can't be changed i'm saying so when i speak about that i don't speak for it to be glorified or too excited to anybody you know i'm saying i'll speak about it and hope that somebody could take this interview and change their life and not follow the same pattern that i went to you know right and you end up serving your time for the things that we talked about which gives you the right to speak about it yeah but you know somebody came to me uh somebody reached out to me um the casiano family reached out to me and said they don't want me talking about that too much because they don't want me saying like that he was a bad guy and all that and they feel that i shouldn't be talking about that too much but a lot of respect for that i don't want to get all into the whole situation concerning that okay well i mean i've seen some of your other interviews so i'll go ahead and speak about you know what's out there and what you've spoken about before but essentially the guy that you got into it a couple years before his brother took on that beef right right yes that's correct and a situation happened where he stepped on your your sneakers right he did that on purpose so i could have an issue with him and that's where all that started from right there you know right and from the sneaker stepping on the sneaker i guess he stepped on the sneaker again so from the sneaker incident you guys started to to tussle and he ended up shooting at you right he told me no he told me to get out out of the jam because that happened in the jam so when he pulled out the gun on me he told me let's go so when he as we walking out he ended up slapping me in my face and i was there but he had a gun so you know i didn't want to go into a whole thing with him he had a gun so as we were walking some people was coming down the block to go to the jam and as we walked he kicked me in my ass with my butt and i'm saying but when he kicked me that led for me to run into the crowd and he fired a couple shots at me after that i came back you know when i came back that's when i shot him i shot him with a 16 gauge shotgun right you went and got a shotgun and you came back and from from what i understand in the report so you shot him at point blank range yeah once in his chest and one in his face was that the first time you actually shot somebody before no no that's not the first time so you're used to shooting at people leading up to this situation yeah i've been like i said i've been a couple of shootouts already i shot at people i've been shot at you know i've been stabbed you know well but now you're sitting here with a shotgun and a dead body and witnesses around and what's going through your mind at this point i was trying to get away after i shot him i was trying to get away and i did get away i was gone for a while but his family and friends of his family started threatening my family and threatening of my friends there was you know they thought it was involved in that and that made me come back to new york because i was on a run in puerto rico philadelphia new jersey and that made me come back that's how the ins the second incident happened which happened in october and that's when i got to the other shootout with other kids and i shot them up to him oh okay i didn't know about this part so there's another shootout that occurred yeah before you actually got locked up for the first shootout right the first shooting okay and in that second shootout people got hit yeah four kids two related to the to the victim to children with cousins to the victim okay you know in the heat of the moment your adrenaline is going there is you know there there's guns involved and there's the you know he kicks you and so forth so there's a lot of anger and things happen at the heat of the moment but at the point that you get away and you calm down and the adrenaline you know subsides what's going through your mind that you know realizing that i just killed somebody i might be facing life in prison or even the death penalty i don't know if that was around during that time no that pension was not around but um i already like i said i was already in the street so i really at that time like i didn't have no fear of going to prison because i was already in junior high homes and all that but when that incident happened i just came home from goshen i'm saying i don't know if you're familiar with gosha that's a maximum security lockup i just came home from there so i wasn't home no more than like 90 days when i caught that case you know so i've always been like always been involved with situations like that because the neighborhood i lived in you had to build that reputation that you didn't care either you know and i was young so i was intrigued with all that violence and drugs and all that stuff okay so they finally catch you and did you well i mean you didn't plead out because you end up getting 25 years to life right so you took it to trial i took a trial and blew trial and he gave me 25 life and you're how old at the time i was 17. how does the 17 year old get 25 to life in their head hmm it was hard but you know it's what you know you listen i always felt that if you did something you know consequences come with that even back then so i dealt with it you know then you put in so many records island the worst is at that time reconciling was the worst i mean you have to you have to either be a predator or you have to be the prey i decided to be a predator so when i was in rockers island i got i got into all types of stuff you know where i stabbed cut made shanks i did it all you know i robbed people right because right because now you're an adult prison you're in juvie all these years but now you're in the big leagues yeah so you're on rikers island and i guess over the next 39 years you're getting transferred every two years to a different prison yeah not every two years but every jail i've been to i've been i i've never been in population no more than 24 in two years never been in no population more than two years i've been i go to the box i've staffed somebody uh i've been involved in four riots four prison riots between prisoners i've been involved with assault on staff i need to cut up police in jail um i ended up stabbing a police in another jail so i've been through it all you know well when you first show up to rikers you're not gang affiliated or anything of that sort are you i was gang member when i came to jail i was i was with a gang from my neighborhood called the wild boys that's in the newspapers if you look it up the newspapers it got it in there okay but were the wild boys a big entity in rikers no right meaning that you're essentially by yourself yeah okay and i guess at one point you became a five percent nation i remember i was a 5 percenter before i came home i was a 5 percenter i became a 5 percenter in juvie you know and then when i came home i was still dealing with that but i wasn't a 5 percenter no more and i came to raccoon a lot of guys that i knew from back then from the jury they were all in rockets island as well many of them you know so i was kind of i was kind of all right there no so here you are serving your time in prison yeah and six years in you're in elmara and a whole new situation pops off yeah tell me about that all right i was all i got into a thing my co-defendant was arguing with another person and in the cause of that happening i jumped into into that conversation and i'm trying to tell you listen you're disrespecting this guy for no reason you know his family you know us from the street and one thing led to another and he totally sucks something you know and that couldn't let that go so me and my code friend we both keep all of us was key up that's a key lock company so when they let us out for key lock we end up stabbing him up you know and he ended up not making it my co-defendant got 1225 and i got 48 for that okay so you got four four to eight years for your involvement in a murder yeah doesn't that seem a bit light you listen talking about new york state they wasn't trying to they they don't care about no prisoners dying in jail and you got to remember we we don't know state we this is not this is upstate they don't really care about human life up there like that really so so killing someone in prison is a much different penalty than killing someone on the outside they said i could name you 10 10 people off my hand that killed it killed another prisoner in jail and never got no more than maybe 12 years wow okay so during the course you made 56 weapons and we have pictures of some of them uh and i guess these are made from [Music] what mirrors pieces of metal just whatever you could get toothbrushes i have i just have a piece of hacksaw blade so i used to cut it out of the metal and then make weapons out of a lot of things and plus it sinks in we had real knives i got a picture one of them in my prop and you're gonna see it you're gonna see a blade we took the handle off but the ticket says that we had a hunting blade i'm saying we had in six things you had all types of weapons down there real weapons butterfly knives double 07. i had a beretta buck knife it was called beretta and then on the blade set surgical surgical steel surrounding blade okay well you know the one thing about prison uh that that for me is the reason i never went was i remember i saw the movie american me and it showed all the rapes and everything that happened in prison and that was the moment that i said i'm not going to prison right right there that one point you know me watching the movie as a teenager being in so many prisons and moving around so much and being in maximum security and so forth do a lot of rapes occur in prison when i first came to jail they had booty bandits i i know you're familiar with that term right i mean kind of yeah they would take a dude's butts and uh i witnessed a couple of that like four different incidents you know not to go into their names and all that but i got to see some of that in prison and okay you know it's sad that's but that's the reality you know what i'm saying well by 1998 you actually decided to become a [ __ ] yeah now at that time i guess there were a lot of bloods in the prison you were in yeah so you decided to sort of go against that and become a [ __ ] because i don't like i never liked the bullies you know what i'm saying what happened was like i explained this to um miss charm um at that time there was a there was a individual there that he wasn't [ __ ] no more he had became muslim righteous island and they gave they word that everything was going to be good long as he stayed muslim and then when he came upstate until he came to sing sing certain people was plotting to do something to him the same people gave their word on ragged island so i told him you know you come outside and worry about that ain't gonna ain't not gonna happen to you so he said yo i'm just really trying to get a bunch of people involved especially the muslims you know what i'm saying that's my beef i don't really want to get nobody involved so i tell my rights and the next day i think came out and we went he came out with me and we walked around the yard nothing happened to him so then when we went back i told him listen i want you to give me everything you got on [ __ ] paperwork calls books anything you got to break down things about crips so you said what you going to do that for what you want to live for and i tell them because i'm going to be crypt tomorrow he said how are you going to be critical you can't just do that i said what you mean i could do that who gonna tell me i can't do it no i'm saying that's how the beginning of thinking that's how that whole beginning of cryptic came so i was never officially cripped but i just did that because i felt down you could tell me i can't live in the in the yard or you could tell me that i can't be quick but i never had that problem okay and you were affiliated with the rolling 30s yeah that's what yeah that's what i wrote in 30s okay once you became a [ __ ] did anything change you know you know a few problems here and there but nothing major i've been in a situation where i i came out to the yard and this is this is factual known things by you know the word of mouth all through the state i came out to the yard one time and put a knife on the table and told them dudes you know i'm in the building [Music] you know anybody if anybody wanna got an issue i'll go gun and gun with them so you know nobody took that offer you know and then like a lot of a lot of damn moves there was that i knew from back then you gotta remember a lot of these a lot of damage that was older and we came up together we know each other since we was kids you know like my man so big chakwell you know is these are known name brand of guys that was at that time was official guys and we got we came up together so it's not like no big secret that some of them was my friends at one time or another no so they wasn't allowed nobody to jump me if anything if they was in the facility they made sure that if they have to be that way that i'll get a fair one with anybody but a lot of people didn't want that fair one because they they already knew i had a reputation for stabbing people i've been in a couple of night fights in jail so they ain't want that you know what i'm saying so they left me alone and while i was in the jail any crips that came through they was claiming they think that's without suddenly they could survive because i wouldn't allow nobody to do nothing to them if they came claiming they accept from the beginning you know so and that's went on like that for a while but i've been stabbed by by certain people you know and i you know but i come with the territory you know well i want to rewind for a second okay uh in 1986 larry davis ends up getting into a shootout in the bronx with the police uh i guess they were investigating him for a murder nine police officers with 20 outside end up going into his sister's apartment looking for him they find him he ends up shooting six cops and getting away and there's this huge manhunt that happens for like 17 days he takes him hostages ultimately he ends up giving himself up it goes to trial and he beats it because he proved that the cops were dirty i guess they were like dealing drugs themselves and he was somehow involved in some some drug cop type [ __ ] and essentially he gets out now at that point you've never met larry davis but you heard the news while you were in prison i was in auburn in 1986 i was an old boy i was in oldborn box i heard it through the headphone listening to the news and i didn't know him but you know i'm from the streets so when you hear dudes shoot the police and like what oh say yeah you know you you feel like okay he did that but at that time you got to remember eleanor bumper got killed by police michael stewart got killed by the police for i mean i could go on and on and on i know multiple names of people back then at that time they were being killed by the police and when eleanor bumper she was 68 66 years old they tried to evict her out of apartment and esu went in there and shot blew her hand off and shot him with a shotgun in the chest after they disabled her when they shot in the arm she had a knife to when they blew her hand away she wasn't no more threat because she didn't have no knife but they still shot in the chest with shocker that's a known case and you got michael stewart a guy that was a graffiti writer they choked him to death on the train you know what i'm saying because he write graffiti they got into a big thing so a lot of the things happened back then that a lot of people felt yeah what he did was a revolution move and you can't take that from him on that part but as time goes on you find out he was working for the police he was doing all type of foul stuff he was killing same black people and expanding people that was trying to rise up from from the ghetto he was killing him for the police so you know that'll make him a good guy you know well you know he beat that case in terms of the shooting of the six cops and he was acquitted of all charges except for a gun charge right got 5 to 15. 5 to 15 for the gun charge while he's serving the 5 to 15 right there was another murder that that came up which he was found guilty of and he gets 25 to life right um and you know by this time larry davis like a folk hero you know in the same way you describe him a lot of people felt that way oh here's some guy that that stood against the system that didn't comply they didn't just let the cops come and arrest them and potentially kill him and so forth he fought back he shot a bunch of them they all survived by the way um but like i said in in certain neighborhoods this guy was like a hero and he ends up getting sentenced in uh shawan gunk yeah am i pronouncing it right yeah yeah chihuan gunk uh correctional facility where you were sentenced as well mm-hmm you know where you were serving time uh at that point we both struggled together yep you guys were both serving time there so at what point did you guys run into each other and get to know each other on some level no before all that we was in the box together in southport ah you know what i'm saying so we already had an issue in southport but when i came out in 9-5 i was in wendy with him but you had a couple of old-timers they were muslims at the time they ain't want me to do nothing to him i'm saying so i being that these old timers did me a favor when i was younger and kept you know i had a thing with the muslim at one time they they stopped the issue that was going to happen to me so i i owed them that you know what i'm saying i owed them that favor so they came said yo listen larry's here and we want you to leave him alone we don't want you to get into nothing with him leave him alone do us that favor so i did that out of respect for them not for him but for them you know so when we end up in chicago now i wasn't speaking to that man i had no issue with him he stood he just and i stood mom you know but as time went along he he started stepping into my business you know because they opened up they had opened a repo a sex offender program across the hall we was in a program called close supervision unit where everybody in this in this block there's 68 people in this block everybody there was high profile escapees murder in prison assault on staff highly violent against inmates so we were all in that same block and i got into an issue with some rape dudes or do they rape the nine-year-old boy you know so i had an issue with him my target was him and my target was never laughing but i knew that we had he was like acting like he was protecting these guys because he he was dealing with those guys you know what i'm saying and that's how that whole situation erupted people keep thinking that i just went out you know you got guys like al sharpton speaking about that the police paid the correction department fifteen thousand dollars to get him assassinated that's all live and phony make make up stories if you look at the history al sharpton he's nothing but another piece of [ __ ] you know another guy that was wearing a wire for the fbi and was involved in corruption and all that himself so how can you take anything he said people keep forgetting about the toronto broadly incident where it was a big incentive state and he protested that some white guys raped her and put [ __ ] on her and all that kind of found out that was a lie so he he's an ambulance chaser so he started that whole situation by telling people that the department of correct the nypd paid the corrections department 15 000 to get him assassinated that's a lie that never happened well on february 20th 2008 around 7 p.m uh a correctional officer that was overlooking the yard saw a bunch of inmates kind of congregating around an argument between i guess you and larry davis uh he had a walking stick yeah a cane a king yeah but he only got that when i got to that facility he hadn't he didn't need the king he listen he got into three fights there before i got to that jail so he burned one new hair knocked him out and burned his hair another dude he punched him and got his eye bust open on the table and another dude and him and another got into a fight in the yard but he need the king when i got to the jail he figured that when and and got a cane saying that he need the cane they told somebody that he got a legal weapon now to walk around with you know because he thought i was going to do something to him which i never had planned to do nothing to him unless he violated me you know what's not saying and and that's what happened he got involved in that situation i went to the job to stab the rapo that's a fact and he talking about ain't going down like that what you mean you know and i ended up stabbing him and if he was the actual target i would kept stabbing him because i was already caught i don't try to get away you know i'm saying so i left him when he fell on the floor i left him there and i went chasing another guy two other people and i'm chasing him around the yard back and forth and i got tired of chasing them and i told the guy yo stop right there because he was supposed to be a tough guy he you know he want to do that he said yo why are you trying to stab me you know what i'm saying and that's when larry got up from over there where i left the mat creeped up behind me and hit me in the back of the head with the cane twice and when he did that i thought the police did that when i spun around it was just me and him now and when he went to swing again i rushed him i started stabbing outside he got the stab wound under his armpit and all that and he fell as he stumbled i tried to get on top of him but he wouldn't let me get on top of him kept doing some dead cockroach thing every time i went this way he'd come with me you know what's that and that's how i went for a while and then at one time the police was creeping up behind me on the side of me trying to grab me and when i spun towards him that gave him an opportunity to kick me my face and when he did that grabbed his pants leg and stabbed him two times in his leg and when one of them several defeaters artery on the back of his leg and that's how he he that's how he uh ended up dying but i stabbed him 13 times you know collapsed his lung and i'm severing his face out of me so the ceos rush in they they take larry to the infirmary but at the prison you were at there was no trauma unit right so they they tried to transport him to an actual real hospital the trauma unit but by the time he got there he died man he passed away but if they would have tied his leg let me say that if they were to tie this leg he might have survived he would have lost his leg but he would have survived even with a collapsed lung he could have survived with that too but they ain't care about him listen you don't know how many offices you know like good job you know and you know but i mean i didn't i didn't get no glorified for doing that to me you know what i'm saying i did that because he got involved in my business if he would have bought his business he would have still been here talking [ __ ] you know what i'm saying i didn't go out my way to do nothing he wasn't my target you know i'm saying and that's what people keep keep bringing up you know what i'm saying oh you got a lot of people that don't even know me telling stories about that i got paid by the police that this was a head listen he could do you know he'd been cut on rockets island he was been cut before he'd been beat up before so so everybody was a hit you know what i'm saying it's just that who i am makes a bad thing i'm [ __ ] puerto rican you know what i'm saying he did and i just said to somebody that some people believe is a folk hero but he wasn't no goddamn folk hero you i'm saying he just happened to be caught in a situation where he shot some officers well larry davis was 41 years old the time that he passed away and like you mentioned uh a lot of people were actually celebrating his death yeah so former former new york mayor ed koch said i believe that nobody should take joy in the murder of another individual but if i told you i was weeping i would be lying he was a vicious person if there's any justice anywhere he's rotting in hell um you know former uh you know lieutenant vernon gebberth who actually was the commander in the shooting that actually happened with larry davis he said justice has finally prevailed the prison system did what the criminal system could not so literally they were happy that you killed this guy yeah a lot of people was not okay now in terms of the racial part of things here you are puerto rican you're shooting this famous black you know i mean you killed this famous black man was there any sort of race riots that broke off you know popped off because of this or not really not not really nothing really happened like that but you always got you know you always had some some people like they like me because of that i'm saying and you got some that i had to step to when i came out off the box after doing ten i did nine years nine years six months and three weeks in a box for that incident so when i got out you know there's a few people that i had to deal with and i'm saying and speak to them directly you know but other than that i had no issues right well you were actually arrested uh for the murder um you were indicted on nine felony charges uh including three different counts of murder assaults criminal possession of a weapon possession of prison contraband um the murder charges actually carried life without parole charges but ultimately you pled uh guilty to first degree manslaughter and you were given like you said ten ten additional well ten years to run concurrent with your life sentence no you're 25 to life no no consecutive consecutive yeah okay got it okay so is that any were you technically given any extra time or since you have a 25 to life is it just almost the same thing no that added all so instead of doing 25 life i'm doing 35 life now aha right because i think what in 2007 a couple of years before that you tried you know you went up before the parole board and got denied so you're getting denied a bunch of years right and then last that was in 2007 i got hit i was supposed to go back 2009 but being that i caught that case with larry i never went back to the ball until 2017 because i caught the 10 years then after that i went back to the board the second time 2019 [Music] and then from there i went back to the ball last year this world did yeah well this year last year last year well i mean i just want to talk about this 10 years so you were given 10 years but the whole 10 years was in solitary confinement yeah i did nine years six months and three weeks i was supposed to get out i caught a bunch of more tickets while i was in the box right i saw it on staff i got caught with 30 exacto blades uh a ceramic knife a jailhouse made knife and a half a a half a hacksaw blade which i got pictures over there too you know yeah so that i know i was supposed to get out the box in december 26 2022 originally that was my last time that i was supposed to get out the box but being that when i went to um five point the superintendent kept giving me time cuts and i ended up getting out because of my good behavior i got out in 2017 september 1st so that would have been nine years six months and three weeks okay well you get out of the box yeah at that point but you're still in prison yeah i'm still in prison yeah right okay what was it like to walk out of the box after 10 years at first it was difficult because you see a bunch of people coming down the hallway you're not used to seeing a thousand dudes coming at you like that so i was kind of little paranoid at first you know and i got to be good i got to be conscious of the surroundings and i'm saying because i'm [ __ ] i just killed this guy that's supposed to be so-called a hero to some and i had my own issues before i went to the box with other people so you know you have to be on guard don't say okay so from the the point that you get out of the box to i guess what december 2021 is when they let you out completely yeah i got out yeah okay so now as you're going through these last few years you still have the two life in your sense so technically they could keep denying you every single year forever until you die yeah right so you have that hanging over your head are you thinking at this point i mean here you are you're 30 something years into your sentence you have three bodies you know total two of them in prison are you thinking that you're going to get out or do you think that you're going to die in prison no i thought i was going to die in prison i thought i was going to get out even when i went to the ball the last board two of the board members let me go and one didn't you know he refused to let me go but being that there was two of them they let me go you know they gave me parole okay and that was 2021 yeah so is that how it works three three parole board members if two of them vote then they go with the majority yeah it has to be so so it's not unanimous yeah okay when you found out that you just got you know parole how'd you feel at that point it had been 39 years i was shocked i couldn't believe it when i got when i got the paper the envelope i felt it it was it was skinny i figured usually you get the fat paper and the peel paper all that's in there so when i got the skinny paper i was shocked so i sat on my bed for a minute slowly opened it up i peed this side i could see on the top it said parole granted i closed the paper i said now hold up i want to make sure you know what's it so i i opened the paper again ready and then i gave it to my neighbor uh tony i said yo tell me what that says on that paper because i see i see something i i want to make sure so he get he said oh [ __ ] you out of here congratulations you're going to be free so i then i was it was it was touching you know that i finally gonna get you know the thing is i lost so many family members so it was it was good and bad at the same time right because your mother died in prison and you couldn't go to the funeral right they denied me the superintendent of the facility said that he feel that i'm too violent and i was security risk for to be glad to go to the funeral yeah i mean was that the hardest thing you think you went through while locked up that was worse the thing is that um i was never there for my kids because i got my son i left in my head so that was one of the worst things too not being there for my son yeah well because your son ended up going to prison as well right yeah he did time he a few times he went into jail put the time in prison but that's not the life i always tell him that's not the life i want for him you know but he went to prison a couple of times i mean how what did you go through as a father because you know you're trying to do what you can to give your son guidance but you're not there ever at all like you're locked up the whole time and then before you know it now he's following your footsteps and now you guys are locked up at the same time in different prisons but you can't really do anything about it it's a i assume it's a very helpless kind of feeling trying to go through that it's hard and it brought a lot of pain to me you know because i never want my son to follow that that life but if you're not there and you're not you can't be the father structure he's gonna do what he feels like you know what i'm saying he's gonna rebel he's gonna you know feel well i can do what i want to do don't say and that was one of the hardest things for me to deal with because i never want him to come to prison plus i don't want nobody to do nothing to him because of things i've done [Music] so right and really if you take a step back and think about it you basically went through the exact same thing that happened with you with your dad here you are growing up with your dad in prison and then you have a kid and then you go to prison and then once again the cycle repeats itself unfortunately yeah it's a vicious cycle yeah no okay so you get out in december of 2021. now you were originally locked up in 1983 and i got locked from 1982 82 okay so from 1982 to 2021 you were away from the world when you went in michael jackson was the biggest music star in the world there were no computers there was no internet there were no cell phones and suddenly you're thrown into this world of social media the internet uh uber post mates like i mean was it like stepping into an alien planet in a way yeah it is i'm still trying to figure out the phone i mean one throw the phone out the window but everything takes a process listen when i when i came to prison it wasn't it wasn't certain buildings there's not there no more you know they built condoms they got a whole bunch of different buildings in my neighborhood you got people living there i never even thought we'd be living there and he got a whole they got a prison on my block right so grew up you know they got a new priesthood right there on my block so you know it's it was a shock to a lot of things but i was ready for a lot of that because i kept reading in prison i did a lot of reading and i study a lot so i got to really be aware of a lot of things before i came home anyway so a lot of things wasn't too much of a shock to me but certain things was you know like you know seeing certain different things and you know it was it was kind of hard for the first you know but i'm starting to get the hang of it now you know well right you come out at 56 years old 39 of those years were spent in prison meaning for the vast majority of your life you have to ask you know people want to take a shower when you can eat where you could go uh you know where you're placed you know what i'm saying and and also in a society where stepping on someone's shoe could lead to a murder uh a dirty look you're having a bad day someone claims that you looked at him bad and then next thing you know people are getting stabbed and killed and so forth it's a completely different society that you've walked into uh was there and someone who came with with a lot of violence and you don't want to go back no i definitely don't want to go back to prison because because beating up someone on the outside ain't like beating up someone on the inside where they just you know no one saw nothing everyone walks away yeah um you know where one false move because when you got out are you are you still on probation or anything of that sort or you're probably free i'm on your pro meaning that if you do something wrong you could potentially get sent in probably for the rest of your life yeah i would go back to the ball two years i had to go back to the ball if i if i get caught up in some new stuff yeah i can get back go back to prison i mean what's it like just kind of living your life and going through society and you know maybe feeling like this person disrespected you unknowingly or this person slighted you or this person didn't didn't treat you the way you feel like you need to be treated well it's hard but i've been through it already i had two incidents always up in the street you know i had i asked someone i i'm going to try to get a phone and i had some guys for no reason tell me yo what the [ __ ] are you looking at i'm like i'm not even looking at the dude he just he just and i'm like trying to avoid that and he said you know me he started walking towards me so i had to jump on the bike and leave and that was a hardest snake for me because my man you talking to a lion you're a poodle compared to me you know saying you're not even ready for that type of stuff you know what i'm saying but i have to think about my son but you know saying i gotta think i got my i got my steps done with me and i got my on my son and i love both of them so i don't want to go back to prison and for some nonsense so i had to walk away yeah i mean that must have been tough considering how doing that in prison has a very different kind of you know ramification yeah right that's a fact and that's what i'm saying that for me was the hardest thing so far because oh man you don't even i'm not even bothering you why are you bothering me and you don't realize who i am you don't know why and you know you you're playing with death and and you know and i was saying in my mind i got to think for this bozo because in reality you know i would do something right there that's it i'll be in the newspaper all over again you know what i'm saying oh yeah man i bet you i i'll bet money on this that he's going to end up seeing this video and start to think like damn like i almost tripped off the wrong person like yeah that's a fact yeah then i had another guy for no reason he coming out the store bump into me on some real get out the way type stuff and i you know said excuse me you know you don't know how to say excuse me he said what [ __ ] out of here kept walking you know like those are hard things to deal with because in prison you disrespect me i'm gonna get you you know i i was that type of person you know but i got to live out here a different way and sometimes it gets hard and i'm saying and you know it's hard you know what i'm saying especially when you've been dealing you've been violent all your life you know i'm saying to now step away from things and walk away it get difficult you know what i'm saying but i you know i don't want to go back to prison i don't yeah but you know i also not going to let nobody hurt me either you know i don't want to i never want to go back to prison that prison stuff right there is the worst you know i'm saying even now that prison is not like it used to be now you got guys with laptops and they sell so a lot of things are changing in prison but i don't want to go back there you know not for not for no nonsense you know well i remember when i interviewed a king tone uh who used to be the leader of the latin kings yeah and he spent a bunch of time in prison and i said what was that last day like and the answer actually surprised me he actually said that you know he was in tears because he was leaving behind his closest friends that he had made all these relationships during these years and so forth and he was going back into you know into the world where he felt that people didn't care about him in the same type of way and ohio i walked out and i remember about 200 people on the fence and they hold it tight they made me want to come back ain't that some [ __ ] i was ready to tell freedom [ __ ] it i can't leave them behind there's some good people that done their bid deserve to be home that communities have forgotten about and i feel guilty for leaving because as a gangster as a leader as king tone as bachi some things i i shouldn't be here for that's not your business the da's nobody's business but some of them guys deserve to be home with me you know here you are like i said 39 years in prison i'm sure you made friendships and everything else like that you know was there a level of like damn like now i got to go out in this world and i don't know as many people and you know i have to now adjust to a whole different social structure that you know i haven't had to deal with before yeah i've been going through that too i left a couple of strong comrades and miles in jail you know saying i mean guys there we were we was in the field you know saying like my man jay you know stink uh scheme these are all comrades of mines that you know i left behind and many more you know so now you know it's a whole list of them but i left good people that i got mad love for more than some people in my family because these guys were here with me yeah i mean if you could do it all over again where do you think the things went wrong for you if you could if you could you know the 56 year old uh blue boy could go go back to that that 16 17 year old and give him some advice what would that be i would tell them not to give no not to go on the street life stay in school try to build something better than going back to prison i'm saying i'll see you in prison because when you don't have no father figure that it's hard to be to be a certain way because now you're the father in some way you know what i'm saying i i don't know if you can relate with that but that's the only thing like i i never had a father figure i looked up to dudes in the streets you know guys that was older than me those were people i looked up to and they was in the streets they were selling drugs they were shooting people you know so those are the people i looked up to so if i could go back i would try to go and try to have my family move somewhere else you know say and start off somewhere better because the environment i was in at that time it was it was drugs if anybody knew about back then 80s that was the lowest side was the major drugs on market you know they had every every known drug that you can talk about they came from low esa pressure point came about because of that you know the drugs down there and many things came about that you know so if i could change that i would what i'm saying but that's a fantasies we can never do that so we got to go forward with what we know now yeah i mean when you now you're back in in new york again and you see the gang [ __ ] that's still happening in new york you know with with drill music there's been just a a bunch of murders that happened recently that was allegedly tied to you know gang members dissing each other in records and and that type of thing as well as you know i mean a couple years back bobby schmurder and robbie rebel got you know swept up in the whole gs9 thing which you know is not your [ __ ] set but it's still related in certain types of ways when in you know and you see you know crips and bloods originally you know started out in the west now has really taken a real foothold in new york and the east coast you know as someone that's lived through all this and see it as someone who's older now when you see the gangs and you see the kids and you see the murders and you see the prison time that everyone's getting what is your advice to to everyone that's going through this and i feel like this has been getting worse recently well um just to expound on that for a moment i'm trying to start a program so i could talk to the kids like in schools junior round homes and i'm saying and explain to them if you keep going down this path this is what's going to lead you you know saying to the prison you know um violence is always going to be there regardless you know saying but if you could if you could if you could go on save one child or two then i feel you know we did something you know um my thing is to try to to enlighten youth on better ways to deal with things than just violence you know yeah you know like we talked about during the interview three people died by your hands do you ever worry about their families or their close friends ever trying to get revenge or their kids you know ever trying to get revenge because like you said larry davis he was loved by a bunch of people the other two people have families have potentially have children and so forth or or do you feel that at this point enough time has passed that no one's really trying to really risk their lives or step to you or anything of that sort listen and that right there there's always going to feel somebody's going to feel heartache beyond the things i do just like this interview you know we're talking about this you know you don't think some people are going to pick this up they might be family members and feel a certain way you know yeah but like i said from the beginning i'm not trying to glorify what i've done i did my time for that i'm saying but i understand and if they come listen i expect that i'm not i'm not a fool i've been i've been dodging knives in prison for 39 years so i'm i'm aware that things could happen tomorrow next week maybe next year you know because anything can happen i'm not a fool about that you know but what can we do we ain't going to be able to change that all i can do is try to avoid it as much as possible you know that's all i could do you know i can't do nothing else about that you know and i understand if they did something to me i would understand you know saying i wouldn't be mad you know come with the territory there was a there was a it was a comrade of mine he did 40 years right um he was from hell's kitchen uh his name was flint right jimmy flint he went home from prison after 40 years he was down with the westies when he went he killed somebody that had a bunch of brothers back then when he came to prison 40 years later he went home and the building where he killed the guy no longer exists there's a parking lot there but when they kill flint they put them they wrap them up in a rug and put them in a parking lot right where that building used to be at so it it can happen people don't forget because if a guy cut your face or stabbed you up are you going to forget that guy no so there it is so i know i know we all got to pay the piper we all do right i mean look at for example the alpo situation yeah but he was scumbag he was supposed to be got that you know what i'm saying that dude was a rat and a piece of [ __ ] he was supposed to ben got that years when he first came home he riding around motorcycle dudes is respecting him cause he didn't tell him nobody from harlem what but meanwhile he killed he glorified all he made a video glorified all people he killed and where he killed them at so he was supposed to be got that that dude was a scumbag a piece of [ __ ] they got all the dudes in dc looking at us like we scumbags so i was happy when he got killed i was jumping for joy yeah they finally got that scumbag you know well yeah and what i was going to say is he was actually in witness protection in maine which he could have easily lived out the rest of the day he was without any level of static but he decides to come back to harlem you know after killing rich porter after potentially killing other people in that area or beating people up and stabbing them and the such and we don't really know what happened in that situation but being in harlem definitely contributed to his murder that's right that's that that's just a given yeah um do you still go back to lower east side and hang out and so forth or not so much i i live in the west side oh you do yeah i'm not hiding listen i'm not hiding for nobody i walk around you know dude everybody know i'm in the lower side if somebody really want to see me i'm not hiding i'm not creeping around corners peaking around buildings i walk around normally i ride a motorcycle you know i got a electric bike i'll be riding around so i'm not like i'm in a car dipping down i'm not hiding you know and for what because when it's time to go it's time to go you know what i'm saying my thing is that if you're ready to bring your ass here then you got to expect me to bring mines too you don't say i don't want to do that like i said i don't want to go back to prison i don't never want to kill another person but if you come hunting for me then expect me for hunting you you know that's that's the reality you know well you mentioned the snitching thing throughout the interview and you have a certain you know hatred towards snitches and rats and rapos are child molesters don't forget them right uh you yourself never cooperated during all the time that you were in prison i'm sure there is probably certain cases where you were around certain situations where they probably could have given you certain benefits by cooperating which i assume you said no but when you look at the big picture of what's happening in the prison system most people cooperate right that's that's the reality yeah you got dudes out here right now they told on people living good and you know i you know like i said i used to keep a file cabinet when i mean i just have files of dudes there was rats they out here some of them out here walking around living the life you know we outnumbered right now you know what i'm saying rats today they glorify a duke could be a rat but he got he getting money all that go out the window doesn't matter right i mean takashi was the first rapper that told on everybody took the stand pointed everyone out given out i think he gave out something like 200 years or something you know thanks to his testimony came out and had hit songs and had nicki minaj doing songs with them and and the such but my question is is that you know you have the street code of not ratting not cooperating and so forth but the people that don't do that when they get out what's their what's the reward what's the prize because usually they get out there's not a bag of money waiting for them there's not a house saying hey thank you so much for for holding us down and not dragging us into your case here's a mansion that you could now live in for the rest of your days that don't happen the dudes do 20 30 40 years come out [ __ ] up broke trying to figure out how to rebuild their lives and the dudes that they they protected often times don't do anything for them yeah but see in my case i was blessed with good people when i came home bobby schmidty looked out for me you know saying i have people come to me and here's this for you you know i can never i could never say how much i appreciate the love that i received about so many good people uh well look man um blue boy you you've lived the majority of your life in prison under the harshest possible uh conditions 10 years in solitary always having to wash watch your back you know having to carry weapons 24 7 but through all that you're actually you know unbroken you came out completely sane you know there are a lot of dudes that you know which i'm sure you saw who who couldn't make it through that who ended up you know having their minds snapped and just going insane or hanging themselves in their cell or in solitary confinement or you know just going into drugs and just overdosing or just becoming you know completely addicted to it you come out completely lucid intelligent smart well-spoken uh and fully aware of everything you did and taking responsibility for everything you did you know there's no um you know at no point in this interview do i feel like you're presenting yourself as a victim how things were out of your control how it was unfair that you were you know living in this family at the time and so forth you did what you did and you did your time and now you're allowed to tell your story about it you know so i appreciate you coming through man and uh you know use the experience you know and we don't glorify you know these types of stories either like we try to present these stories because at the end of the day hip-hop has marketed crips and bloods like no other gangs in the history of the planet you know i mean a local a local couple of gangs now have songs written about them there's crypts and bloods in vietnam and europe and in asia and you know and it's of all different races asian latino white black there's white crypts there's there's everything now man and um you know but the reality is is that going down this road leads to a life like yours ultimately and i think that's what people really have to learn that that yes it's glorified and yeah it's cool to wear your your rags and have your homies around to to you know to do your dirt for you and so forth but it all comes at a price and i think you really illustrated that price very well yeah definitely did i'm still going through it i'm still paying for it yeah you know what i'm saying because but like i said we all got to learn from our mistakes i'm saying nobody nobody you can't learn something if you've never been taught to learn it you know what i'm saying and sometimes you got to go through it to really understand it you know you know and i try to keep it real no no front in the body no acting about it this is what it is raw you know what i'm saying and that's the best man of course the blue boy man i appreciate you coming in and sharing your story and um you know just hoping the best for you to live out the rest of your days in peace you know which is something you didn't get to experience the most of your life you know uh you know no altercations you know and i always say this in my interviews like like my my goal is to not have a physical altercation for the rest of my life yeah that's what my goal is i haven't always been successful in this goal but that is that has been my goal for for decades now and um you know if you you if that's if that's what your goal is and you know that there's a reason for you to be out here and not get caught up in the moment not get caught up in the ego and not get caught up in your emotions you can live a a very cool peaceful fruitful life help you know be around your kids have a woman uh you know build a business make money go on vacations eat at restaurants and all the stuff you didn't get to experience all these years right you know so i wish you all the best i appreciate you coming in and i appreciate you having me and thank you for the opportunity absolutely man my pleasure take care you too

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