Bill Burr on Joe's Spotify Deal, Hollywood Accounting

the Joe Rogan experience this business has always been weird like that there's always no that's why you're the king do because you got outside of it but you're totally in it and they can't they can't get you they can't get you III you know I'm piling up some stories here being in the matrix I won't get into them but it's the same it's just the same old corporations only know how to do business one [ __ ] way and well just they push their advantage they push their advantage they have their leverage and they want the biggest pipe slice of the pie that's that's what they I don't have a problem with that it's when they go beyond that and they just straight-up steal are they stealing for yeah everybody does every fly every time you get in business with like corporate guys this is how it works it's like the check okay we're in business to make money from them and then you're getting business with them and then the check goes to the corporate guy and then you get your cut off of his checkbook so right there I am immediately in a situation where there's no way I can steal from him but he can rob me [ __ ] blind right and add a bunch of expenses on the things that front-end load expenses to make it look like they're losing money and yeah Hollywood encounter ya know it's stealing it's stealing is what it is they just call it Hollywood accountants but it's not Hollywood accounting it's it's corporate accounting its scumbag accounting that's just and it's how they do it and they sleep at night and they always have oh that's over in the accounting section of the building not over here where me and my yacht are I'm like artist friendly you know I majored in [ __ ] liberal arts in college well it was really interesting when podcast started to take off they started to try to get in with the old model and weasel into podcasts and and buy pieces of podcasts and like your deal what a deal is gonna is if you think the [ __ ] industry's gonna sit back when they didn't get to wet their beak on that thing I'm gonna tell every young comic when we get back to this [ __ ] is what they're gonna do now is what the music industry did well they said it started signing straight across the board deals they're gonna get some young kid who's got no power in the business and it's just like you know will help you create a podcast you know sign was so insult but land what they're gonna do is they're gonna own the podcast the advertising money's gonna go to them and they're gonna Rob [ __ ] blind they're gonna hundred percent 100% gonna [ __ ] steal from them rob them [ __ ] blind and then when they get audited and they get caught stealing they're gonna label that kid that young comic difficult to work with meaning difficult to steal from that's it's already happening yeah I know guys who young guys won't name any names but they've come out to make oh hey I'm signed to this management company they want to sign me but they want a piece of my podcast no I want a piece of this and they want there's no reason there's no reason yeah you got to tell people that don't show that you gotta tell I think I tell people do now don't give up anything don't give up anything don't ever it's all you they're not gonna do anything for you they think what they're gonna do is move the ball quicker that first [ __ ] two years and then the rest is all gonna be you if you just hang in there and struggle a little bit like you've got a grind you're just gonna hang in there and keep going I mean I got a lot of offers to buy half of the podcasts or to buy P&I nothing I wouldn't do it I'll never do it but then Spotify came along and they said we'll give you a licensing deal so just put it on our network yeah that's but you still own it right like our twin and that's that's why we did it that way but this this comic that I won't name he was telling me that is this management company they wanted to sign him they wanted to own a piece of his podcast forever and eventually become yeah cuz what they're gonna look at it is they're gonna make it like if you started a podcast while you watch this manager or ye with this agent ill be like back in the day when you booked a sitcom exactly and then if you left the agency of the manager throughout the lifetime of that sitcom you owed the Commission to them exact then that you needed them to do that you don't need them for the podcast but they're gonna do that so then you're gonna leave this manager and then for the rest of your [ __ ] life you're gonna be paying this never-ending alimony yeah I mean there'll be guys eventually they'll try to take 50 60 I own your podcast uh-huh managers will start agents will start podcast networks because there's nobody regulating them to not do that anymore I got an offer just five years ago from a company that was a radio company that wanted 50% of the podcasts they're gonna give me no money they wanted 50% of the podcast just to be associated with them and like we're gonna pull together all these advertisers and it's going to help your revenue amount 50% with what they say they're gonna and then they come in and they just they just they got the thing well this beautiful thing about podcast is podcasts all get big on word-of-mouth like I've never advertised this podcast I never did anything with it I never bought billboards or put ads up anywhere it's just from word of mouth and the way other podcasts grow is people get on people's podcasts and they say hey you listen to Bill burns podcast Monday morning podcast [ __ ] hilarious and then it just grow and I think it's the job of people making money in podcasting to let new podcasters know do not sign those yes ever do not let the Fox into the henhouse because they're going to [ __ ] rob you blind I don't need and I saw this documentary one time on this heavy metal band and vil right this crazy thing about this band that just was around forever and never quite made it and there was a I think it was I think it was that one it's one of those ones about an old like metal band from the 80s and this guy said like the truest [ __ ] ever when he was talking about the music business and this goes straight across podcasts everything he goes you're better to own something a hundred percent and only sell twenty thousand copies then you are to not own it at all and sell twenty million like you're literally gonna make more if you just sell twenty twenty crazy yeah no they're [ __ ] cuz another thing that they do another thing that they do is then that all the people that they lose on they dump that on you yes yes like I remember one time I forget what I was with this network and I had a CD that was already made I already made it and I just wanted them to put it out on their label and they and they wanted to own the CD and I was like no I'm not no I don't want you to own it I just need you to like distribute it I need you as a distributor and the guy said to me goes well you know ownership shouldn't be that big a deal for you it should be about exposure I said alright well let me ask you this if ownership shouldn't be that big a deal to me why is it such a big deal to you and he started like stammering and then he basically said well you know we get in business with something he named a couple of the comics whose CDs didn't sell and we have to recoup those losses it's like that ain't my fault that's hilarious I could have told you not to sign that [ __ ] jerk-off what is your sound my fault you didn't do the [ __ ] work so that's the way I had another one one time I signed reduce it back when I made like CDs and I did one and I had a 60/40 you get you know I was getting 60 and they were getting 40 but their 40 was off the gross mine was off the net and all expenses for the album was on me it's like I thought we were doing this together every [ __ ] thing the artwork printing it all of that all of those expenses came to me and in the end that's 60 40 60 net 40 gross they made way more money than I did it's just how they knew like oh okay well I'm getting six dollars on every 10 yeah plus the it but anything it's just hilarious that they would come up to you and tell you that we did some deals with some other comics dude again where's this what time to make this TV show and the [ __ ] guys sends this the bill for the whole [ __ ] thing I shouldn't be saying it but this is a while ago right the guy who's gonna bill us 2,500 bucks a month to use this copier machine and didn't uh that's I don't know 4500 bucks users editing that's like dude we have both of those things we don't need those let's take that money and put it on the screen we're trying to get this thing to go and and the guy like he owes a funny [ __ ] ever he goes like I'm insulted by those questions or something like that which is my favorite thing ever the the event like the what is the word like I don't know you're a [ __ ] thief and you actually have the audacity to be like taken aback like Fanning yourself like I can't believe you just how many [ __ ] shows you charge in twenty five hundred bucks a month to go you know [ __ ] use your copy machine yeah a lot of money that's rent for a nice apartment no [ __ ] thieves how much does it cost to use that copy machine really first of all the copy machine probably doesn't even cost twenty five hundred bucks probably renting it probably rents it for a couple of hundred bucks a [ __ ] month but even to buy a copy puppy has nine shows paying twenty five hundred bucks a month from the guy be happy that's it if you have like a really big one when those commercial grade copy machines what does it cost ten grand I mean how much could it cost I mean that I think he's bought a couple of houses off the phoning that copier machine and I just just love telling these [ __ ] stories because these are the things that you like with what's great about podcasting is you can say this this is for every person out there yeah as a [ __ ] business and you know this that thing where you want to take it to the next level and then these these guys come in and then they're all just like yeah well hey we're gonna take a piece of it and they take a big [ __ ] chunk out of it and what they do is their risk is all the way down here yours is up here and then somehow they just I'm telling you like you're better you're better to sell 20,000 copies only a hundred percent then 20 million and not on any of it you're gonna make more money that's just how the game is played and those [ __ ] guys who steal from people they sleep very comfortably but it's also just podcast just the stress of dealing with other people's eliminated just the stress of dealing with production people close it down it slows it down it's awful yeah I mean the only thing Spotify has ever done so far is ask do you know who the first guests will be and already am i cool yeah they're gonna be you know they're gonna be great I'm gonna try to call this I call these people that's them justifying their desk like I can't just sit here like Joe knows what he's doing I'd like to start our email chain and we could maybe circle back later and have a conference call and they're just trying to fill out there yeah just haven't use time yeah but they have Spotify people have been great they literally said we don't want to do anything we want you to just do what you're doing just do what you're doing Oh but even asking me who the guest gonna be I was like oh no please let this be the only question yeah I'm never available and that's nothing no that's nothing I mean they're great but could you imagine if you were doing that with a network look imagine if you were in business with ABC or something like that and they were they were helping produce your podcasts you'd have to go in for meetings you'd have to go in and sign into the office bill you sign in here you go and sit down and waste your [ __ ] afternoon having some dopey conversation you kind of complain a lot when you read these letters bill do you have to when people are signing the emails maybe you should be we can have we read on the blah blah blah um what do you think how do you feel about product placement because we've got a got a great deal look I just wanted to I just wanted to tell a few of those for younger people out there because it actually really bothers me that people do that to people yes it really bothers me and I love comics and I love seeing new comics coming up that have talent and I hate seeing them get [ __ ] over so hopefully people listen and they do it but they have [ __ ] worms man if there weren't worms there's a lot of worms out there and there's a lot of worm to try to grab comics real that they're talented but real raw and they try to lock you up some enormous lifetime management deal and and when you take off and you have something say if you're good I remember back in the day when everyone when when companies were like shooting specials before comics started shooting them and the amount of guys that got that yeah we only got enough money for to shoot one you know to only you can only shoot it one time but you're gonna crush it man you got this hour down we only got enough in the budget and then they'd show up early and they'd be shooting another comics special on their money the deal to double them as a management company what they would get or an agency the amount of [ __ ] times that that happened with the same audience oh yeah yeah oh yeah the best one I ever heard Jim Breuer was filming a special sold-out this theater and the the people that were filming the special told him that the money for the ticket sales was theirs because it was all about the production because the money that people are paying for the production he's like the [ __ ] are you talking about this is my audience like that's my money his management tried to steal the money from ticket sales and say that it went towards production went all the way to court with it his managers on the way to court has a [ __ ] panic attack goes to the hospital like the whole thing is a nightmare I think he won yeah yeah Thievery steve bourie like these are tick people are paying to see half a million of those [ __ ] stores but this is the thing this is what kills me about a lot of this this rhetoric that's going on out there which I agree with 90% of it but if you if you agree with a hundred percent of it like you and I are not supposed to be having stories like this we're supposed to be the ones doing it and it's just like you haven't mean like as far as the the whole you know oh you're a white male heterosexual you know doors just fly open and people like hey what do you dream like I'm not saying and I'm not obviously not bitching but I'm just saying that like like people will [ __ ] you it's all about money they talk about they don't give a [ __ ] and they and they all those people that do that [ __ ] really yeah so there's a long history of Hollywood accounting there's a long history that I mean there's been so many stories about people who made killer hit movies and never got paid because Hollywood's like look you know we have this much this is the production look how bad Elvis got [ __ ] oh yeah Elvis got [ __ ] so bad and then one of the main race he got [ __ ] on the road he only did one out of the country date I believe he did Toronto and he never travelled the world because his manager had something going on with his visa and he's worried if he left he wouldn't be able to come back so that kind of like [ __ ] him Elvis and I have a ton of [ __ ] money and see in the world or whatever the [ __ ] he might have wanted to do keep doing these movies Elvis you don't go on the road that is hilarious well you know the best version of breaking down how corrupt the music business is was by Courtney Love they said she had a ghostwriter I don't know but she did but it was it's a it's a great article that she wrote documenting exactly how much you get paid versus how much money gets generated and where it all goes and how they [ __ ] you yeah now it's it's I've always done it that way I mean that's just always the way they've done it that's the answer wrong people that's the answer to it is well I mean that's how that's how it's done [Applause]

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Published: Fri Jun 12 2020

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[u/ashcakeseverywhere]

As a relatively young guy myself and knowing some other freelancers, I have and have seen other people come to clashes with clients or employees where things are promised and then underdelivered. Then we are blamed for the misfortunes while at the same time we never even saw the money coming in. Then we are gaslighted and labeled difficult to work with and somehow its all-out fault from the beginning to the end.

Keep yourself safe and don't let other people take advantage of you in this business. Built your own stuff - it will be a grind in the beginning, but so many people have gotten through it, so can you.