Why No Way Home Worked where Spider-Man 3 Failed | One v One

[Music] how'd that get in there [Music] spider-man no way home is an effort from sony and disney to weaponize nostalgia on a level never seen before by having peter parker turn the supreme sorcerer doctor strange to solve its problems with magic a move that accidentally zaps in all your favorite spider-man villains from the past and your least favorite as well which the movie seems to know where's connor he wants to stay in the truck okay [Music] and as you may have guessed it worked incredibly well not only did norway home make all the money at the box office but also lived up to insane fan expectations and satisfied pretty much everyone at a time when people are desperately looking for things to vent their frustrations at but even though there are a number of different positive angles to cover this movie from i feel like this is the perfect opportunity to finally satisfy my bully maguire superfan and examine no way home in relation to spider-man 3 because they share a lot in common and i don't mean the superficial stuff like oh it has same characters and oh green goblin's manipulation is once again driving things and oh the finale takes place at a tall construction site what i mean is the fact that some of the biggest core issues that led to spider-man 3's downfall no way home also runs into it has an excess of different subplots and stuff happening which should make it an aimless mess hey parker it adds in a huge cast of quote-unquote new characters that it doesn't have time to properly develop my daughter and it's also the third movie after a fantastic second one which creates the danger of simply losing steam i like bernstein it's better all these things were a major part of spider-man 3's destruction and yet no way home still somehow makes them work and look obviously spider-man 3 might shine more in other aspects i'm not saying it doesn't because i value my life it features some oscar-worthy method acting performances we rarely get in this genre you'll get your rent when you fix this damn door it explores some really deep philosophical questions about life and love you say you're a good woman i'm good man and overall it's not afraid to go to some really dark places that no other comic book movies dare to go like having the superhero be violent towards his girlfriend [Music] but anyway just in terms of the core pitfalls i mentioned here's how no way home makes them work and succeeds where spider-man 3 failed and what you need to learn to do it too oh and before i forget i do want to know joe give a shout out to the spiderman 3 filamento super fan for the idea for this video but since that's not really worth anything i got you a display as well this high quality metal sheet poster so for your endless tenacity i'll send it to you for free i also got a few more designs to give away to others as well from marvel to dc to baby oda to something i'm keeping for myself so i'll pick out a few comments giving more video ideas and i'll send these 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seconds [Applause] then we're again just living life doing whatever different random stuff without a larger purpose until we find out that sandman killed uncle ben which too is immediately then just over rinse and repeat rinse and repeat rinse and repeat rinse and repeat this isn't a united story as much as is a collection of disjointed individual instances and the way no way home makes xs work is by combining all of it under the roof of all encompassing major problems so when the movie begins it immediately creates a problem of oath mysterio from the previous movie left one last middle finger by doxing spider-man's identity spider-man's name is peter parker and that's what all the scenes in the first act revolve around regardless of what we're actually doing in them at first we have to deal with the criminal charges that mysterious actions created and avoid jail then we have to deal with being cancelled by half the population and the personal consequences of it on peter and his relationships like when he and his friends get excluded from college just because of their known ties to spider-man in light of recent controversy we are unable to consider then we go to doctor strange to try and fix things by using magic to make the whole world forget spider-man's identity and when that fails we try to fix things by convincing this college lady to reconsider peter's friend's applications and then we're suddenly fighting doc ock from the toby verse at this point we should feel as directionlessly all over the place as in spider-man 3 because we go from federal criminal charges to school troubles to magic to doc ock but the reason we don't feel directionless is because we have a direction that same major problem we're not fighting doc ock as a separate thing we're fighting him specifically in the context of saving the college lady so that she'll help us fix what was broken we're still progressing things under that same roof no matter if the scenes themselves are about internal or external or whatever thing i don't know you guys broke up i don't even love me they're all still united by this one larger problem until the problem at least for the moment is handled i am going to talk to them about your friends and you and if you keep your noses clean maybe you'll have a fair shot [Music] and then the movie immediately sets up the next uniting problem which is the fact that the failed spell pulled in multiple super villains from other franchise dimensions when we're exploring character relationships it's around that so sorry for dragging you in this list you just gotta help me find these guys you don't have to apologize okay you got us a second shot when we're geeking out about magic and utilizing nostalgia it's around that it can't be him cause norman osborne died years ago you know when we head out to find the goblin and then suddenly end up fighting electro with sandman instead what the hell is going on i'll explain everything but first can you help me stop this guy it doesn't matter because it still revolves around that same larger problem of there being multiple super villains we have to find it's still part of the same essential purpose oh great you caught another one [Music] whereas the next major problem is the fact that if we just send the villains back they die that's why we're suddenly fighting doctor strange in a weird magic world do not let him send the villains to death that's why we bring the villains home where we can't just nostalgically hang out with them to fix their deadly issues before they get sent back same roof and same thing with the next problem of the villains turning on us when we're suddenly just cracking jokes with toby and andrew in some grandma's kitchen it's fine because we know that their presence is crucial to help peter to solve this new issue despite all the crazy different things that happen here you can't do that huh no how on earth does that they exist to serve that same connecting larger thing above them gotta cure all of them and the reason that's important is because spider-man 3 for example is at its best in those combined sections like when it makes the venom plotline part of the bigger problem of uncle ben's killer still being out there now venom fuels toby's rage towards sandman now two things unite to become one and it's really good remember ben parker the old man you shot down in cold blood what does it matter to you anyway everything [Applause] but then the sandman problem is immediately tossed aside and that's it good riddance there's nothing else on the same level to take its place which means that everything again is aimlessly separate because when the venom plot line for example joins with the hairy plotline for two minutes and is then left by itself it's not strong enough to be a real larger problem that peter has to actively worry about and try to solve i miss the part where that's my problem so the point is to think of your movie as a never-ending series of major problems that unite everything below them that's how you can combine multiple smaller things to serve the same larger purpose that's how you can combine multiple movies into one [Music] the second key issue in spider-man 3 is the over-addition of new characters to the point where there's no time to properly build them sandman is presented as this loving father who wants to save his daughter but then there's like one scene with the daughter where all that is simply stated out loud like there's not much depth here couldn't you at least showcase the negative effects that the daughter's illness carries eddie brock wants toby dead just because he shows that his clearly fake picture is clearly fake photographic department confirms it like couldn't you at least establish an actual relationship between eddie and gwen and show how toby destroys that because i don't have enough here to care do you remember what you did to me you made me lose my girl we had coffee eddie [Music] and the way no way home makes the same over edition of quote unquote new characters work is by very specifically positioning them around emotional components that already exist for example the whole thing with peter saving the villains from dying we shouldn't care about that because the stakes of the villains dying don't get established they kind of just say it i was about to die okay whatever you say but the reason we can't care is because those specific stakes have already been established like yes these people do in fact die in those earlier movies we've seen it happen if peter doesn't find a way to help them he is indeed 100 sending them to die it is a sort of a big deal whereas if the movie instead invented something entirely new like oh the dimensional travel will make the villains explode or whatever that would have to be properly established for anyone to care as another example of this take a look at andrew and mj here there's no relationship built between them there's nothing to make us care about their connection so when andrew saves her from falling at the end we shouldn't care right well again the reason we can't care is because this moment is very specifically built on the moment in the other movie where andrew failed to save gwen stacy not about andrew saving mj here it's about andrew saving mj as a proxy of quinn there's a pre-existing emotional component underneath this moment that infuses it with meaning on both sides of the screen or as a tobii example look at how peter is consumed by rage at the end after what the goblin took from him and then it's toby helping him not to give in to that rage the movie has done nothing to earn toby's role as this voice reason but again it doesn't have to because it's something we've already seen him earn we've seen toby go through the painful journey of rage we're already aware of the underlying emotion that makes this a meaningful topic to him and by extension to us you know what it feels like to power everything but you'll lose yourself the point i'm getting at is that in order for the audience to invest in added characters there has to be something underneath what they do and what's done to them and the only reason no way home doesn't have to spend time building that is because it knowingly operates in areas where it already exists instead of giving doc a new motivation it just resets the one we already know power of the sun in the palm of my hand it's gone instead of inventing a new curse to help the villains with it just reuses the ones we already understand norman sounds sabbatical doesn't mean the movie couldn't have done something new it would have been a portable if it for example took a weaker villain like sandman or lizard and developed them into something better but the point is that it didn't have to it was able to bring in all these villains in a way that functioned it only had to spend a little bit of time to do something more with the one that was already the best of them i'm gonna fix you and then he just let nostalgia do the rest i fell into a vat of electric gills i fell into a super collider wait a minute i never liked that stuff in the first place am i just being swindled by nostalgia no no i like what i'm watching [Music] and the lesson you want to take is that if you're making a sequel you can add in characters with limited time by positioning them as extensions and representations of what the audience has already invested in be that the heroes pass mistakes or journeys spider-man 3 already had sandman covered on toby's side by making him be uncle ben's killer it was a bit of a story convenience yeah but point is that there was already enough there for us to immediately partake in toby's mission of revenge remember ben parker you want to put some dirt in your eye so if the movie had only gotten rid of eddie brock for example and instead spent that time on sandman's side with the daughter and whatever it could have been something great as one last perfect metaphor for i'm trying to say there's a line in no way home that's really entertaining not because of anything the movie itself does with it but simply because the audience has a pre-existing reason to be entertained by it you know i'm something of a scientist myself you know i'm something of a scientist myself [Music] and that's essentially the way to think when adding many new characters and relationships with limited time the third key issue in spider-man 3 is the lack of escalation which makes it feel more like spider-man 1.5 if you look at toby's journey in it it's not really a step further from last time but rather as the below it you know this time a lot of his problems are so easy that they get handled for the next 50 minutes on first try just like that by now he can't remember the accident or anything that happened to him recently that was easy this time he's facing a lot of the same challenges like having trouble with mj again and looking for his uncle's killer again something very familiar about all this this time he gains amazing abilities which on concept level is great and definitely sold the movie but without really having to pay for them like he hits his girlfriend and then gets her back half an hour later he loses his best friend who he already lost and this way at least gets to share a nice goodbye overall toby's life is mostly so fun and great that the whole thing feels more like a prologue spin-off they love me and even though no way home does revisit stuff from before like we talked about it's still clearly a next step for peter compared to his previous movies his problems for example are much tougher and deeper on the skin than before immediately he has to deal with the consequences left by mysterio with half the population shunning not only him but also his friends to the point where their lives are suffering because of his mistakes which doesn't just go away in one scene he's turning to magic to fix it he has to fight a main villain from another movie to even earn a shot at fixing it and then the magic spell he messed up pulls in all these villains that he feels responsibility to save which requires him to fend off doctor strange one on one as well as to surround himself with the deadly villains until it bites him in the back and then he has to keep himself from murdering the guy who took away what meant the most to him a guy that isn't made of sand and will actually die when killed clearly peter's problems have leveled up and matured along with him whereas a lot of the problems and challenges themselves are also unlike those in the past the multiverse for example opens up a whole new can of possibilities combining peter with real magical elements forcing him to fight antagonists from earlier iterations having him learn to work as a team with other spiderman from the past we've never seen that stuff in any spiderman or even comic book movie before so clearly this movie is doing a lot of new things to earn its existence in audiences eyes and perhaps most importantly the prizes peter has to pay are much higher than previously for example when he's rounded up all the villains to be sent back and mei convinces him to help them instead this is what we do we help people and so he does he tries his absolute hardest to do the right thing and what does he get in return well he loses that which no movie peter parker has ever lost godspeed spider-man the loss of ant-may on its own already hurts a ton because it comes so unfairly from such good intentions which always thinks more than losses that are earned but there's also the fact that aunt may isn't supposed to die i mean she's been in all these movies and it's never happened so clearly we've now entered uncharted emotional territory what are you doing mate please just wake up and talk to me please or take the ending where peter is ready to fix things by having strange cast a spell that undoes the one he messed up which comes at the cost of nobody remembering him anymore or in other words him having nobody my name is peter parker whether you have issues with the logic and all this or not the main thing is that we've never had to pay such a price in a spider-man movie in the past we've never felt loss and loneliness of the size with peter parker before we're on a whole new level in terms of that and i guess the point i'm getting at all this is that no way home feels bigger than at least the two movies before it and the key word is feel sequels don't initially have to be bigger but they do have to feel that way because otherwise what's the point if a sequel feels less than its predecessor then it's not really a step forward but rather diagonally backwards it's not a sequel as much as it is a less valuable spin-off and whether you personally like spider-man 3 or not fact is that no way home escalates things a lot more to truly earn its place as a third movie in the trilogy carmen was right he got it from you that pathetic sickness i'm gonna fix you so with all that and the earlier stuff having been said i think the key deep philosophical lesson on why no way home succeeds through spider-man 3 failed is this spider-man 3 does some things well no way home does other more meaningful things a lot better that's it see ya chump [Music] [Applause] [Music] you

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Length: 20min 10sec (1210 seconds)

Published: Sun Mar 27 2022