When A Killer Realizes His Victim Tricked Him

I'll be perfectly honest I wanted to kill someone for a long time it's like an urge and it was kind of a time that I could get it out you wanted that [ __ ] Steve was pretty much excited it definitely wasn't his first time it was like yeah it's awesome you'll get used to it Chris it gets addicting but we'll take care of it when an inconceivably brutal crime rocks the small town of Mount Vernon New Hampshire police and residents alike are desperate to stop the monsters before they can strike again but as the hunting case begins to unravel they soon realize that no one could have prevented the truly evil acts that were about to be set in motion as it would turn out a group known as the Disciples of Destruction would stop at nothing to make their Twisted dreams of violence horror and Gore a sick reality and yet not everything went according to their plan the killer soon learned that one of their victims was actually still alive I'm one of those type of gentlemanly chivalry sort of guys that you don't even hit girls let alone go out and treat them badly if the girls in the hospital obviously she probably got injured or something it's funny you should mention that because I want to let you know she is going to survive fortunately that's good yeah that is real good home to around 2 000 people Mount Vernon is most notable for its quaint and quiet reputation with little to no crime it was never expected that the Tranquil town would be the setting of one of the most shocking murder cases that the nation has ever seen among the community lived the Cates family including 42 year old Kimberly her husband David and their daughter eleven-year-old Jamie they resided among a beautiful neighborhood located on tro Road where the growing forestry made for a peaceful stretch of land Kimberly was a pediatric nurse and David was an engineer but the most fulfilling job that the two shared was being parents to the bright and outgoing Jamie they were a happy family but sadly they could not have foreseen the horrors that were in their near future it wasn't uncommon for David to travel on occasional business trips leaving Kimberly and Jamie at home but he'd installed an alarm system inside of the house that would contact the local authorities in the unlikely event of an emergency and to further their Peace of Mind Kimberly had also made an agreement with one of their neighbors promising to keep an eye on each other's property although due to the town's low crime rate the idea that residents of troll Road could be targeted victims of crime was never considered before David left for his trip on Saturday October 3rd 2009 The house's alarm system had unexpectedly malfunctioned rendering it inoperable despite this the family remained unconcerned but as David walked out that door for yet another work trip he couldn't have ever imagined that the world he knew was about to be tragically ripped away from him it was another typical weekend for the mother-daughter Duo where they made plans to shop at their local mall the next day and possibly stopped by Jamie's karate studio at least that's what Kimberly had messaged to David before she and Jamie went to bed around 8 30. Jamie would often sleep in her parents bedroom while David was gone and this weekend was no different from the hotel in Maryland David messaged his family a good night around four in the morning on October 4th 2009 a chilling 9-1-1 call was made to a local dispatcher the voice was that of a little girl soft and quiet and very hard to hear but what the dispatcher could make out was the whimpering cries of a terrified child begging for help unable to gain a clear understanding of what the little girl had been saying a police officer was immediately sent to the address of fortrow Road upon arrival the officer briefly searched the exterior of the home while waiting for the other squadrons to show before he was able to make a full circle of the property he noticed a slight movement out of the corner of his eye coming from inside of the house inching closer to the home he peered through a kitchen window where he located a vague image someone appeared to be hiding behind the counter locking eyes with the Petrified little girl the officer was overcome with a wave of horror at what was before him the girl was lying on the floor her entire body coated in Blood and a portion of her foot had been severed someone had maimed the vulnerable child breaking down the front door the officer finally gained entry inside where he found the little girl shaking and Paralyzed by fear horrifyingly she was attempting to scream and yell however nothing was coming out when she could finally speak she quickly gave her name Jamie the officer immediately carried Jaime outside where he asked if any other people were in the house she responded by saying that only her mother was in the bedroom however in a heartbreaking plea she begged him not to leave her side the officer comforted the young girl stating that he needed to search the residence for anyone who may be heard and promised that she was safe just outside another officer made their way to the Petrified Jamie where they could see that not only had her foot been severed but she had suffered multiple lacerations to her head legs arms and torso when asked how she received the injuries she responded by saying some guy had a knife and another one had a bat and he hit my mom horrified the officer asked if Jamie had any idea of who the perpetrators were and although she couldn't identify any of her attackers she recalled that one had been bald however she also told the authorities one of them said get the jewelry she then told the police that she survived by pretending that she was dead soon additional help had arrived and it was then that they discovered all of the appalling contents waiting within the home authorities were able to follow the blood-stained footprints across the hallway carpet that led all the way back to the master bedroom what they found upon entry could only be described as a chamber of horror not a single member of law enforcement could fathom the massive amounts of blood that had encompassed almost every inch of the room and then they found something even more disturbing the officers could barely stomach the absolute atrocity that was before them lying on the blood-soaked bed was Jamie's mother Kimberly who had been savagely murdered severely wounded Jaime was immediately rushed to the hospital but there was no telling whether she would survive following the sickening Discovery the authorities were left with a mountain of questions most importantly they needed to uncover who had Unleashed such an evil attack upon a mother and her child in an attempt to establish the motive they began to search the house and they discovered that various items of jewelry had been taken in addition they found that the basement window had been broken into with the screen laying neatly on the ground along with this the air conditioning unit that had been placed in a window above the deck was missing yet another potential entry point to the home south of the residence tire tracks could be seen along the dirt pathway and foot imprints were located within the front yard as word of the brutal attack spread the tight-knit community was plagued with fear but what became even more frightening was The Haunting Whispers making their way to Mount Vernon from the nearby town of Brookline only 20 minutes away apparently a resident had been visiting a friend's house on Sunday October 4th and was introduced to a pair of young men also from Brookline initially the Gathering seemed to be a harmless occasion but that would quickly take a dark and unexpected turn within a short amount of time the new friends had divulged a sick and twisted secret they claimed that they had just killed a mother and her child while another set of friends watched the other patrons said in disbelief as they listened to what they thought had been a scare tactic from the two or a cruel joke but as you'll come to find out the truth behind this harrowing case would only emerge after a series of horrific findings it's possible that the high of committing the crime had worn off so the assailants were attempting to relive the attack and experience that Rush Again by describing it to friends they likely enjoyed the attention and shock from the others and were potentially confident that there was no evidence linking them to the crime suggesting that they may have believed that they were smarter than police however they weren't smart enough as authorities caught wind of the chilling rumors and were in a Mad Dash to track down the mysterious young men they would turn out to be 19 year old Christopher Gribble and seventeen-year-old Stephen spater one day after the horrific crime they were each brought in for questioning it was rather odd that Christopher of all people had been asked to talk with the police considering as background a longtime Eagle Scout Christopher was a proud member of the Mormon church and was working towards his goal of becoming a missionary he'd been homeschooled from an early age where his parents worked tirelessly to instill the proper values this had also coincided with Christopher's time in the Boy Scouts where he'd given back to his community supposedly building a shed for the Brookline transfer station a drop-off site for waste and recyclables although things weren't always as picture-perfect as they seemed it was no secret that Christopher had struggled with the social portion of his life where making friends became an almost impossible task the few that he did have recalled his awkward demeanor and tendency to ramble during conversation on top of this social cues were somewhat of a foreign concept to the eagle scout making for a rather difficult childhood human beings have a fundamental need to connect with other people when someone is unable to or has great difficulty forming even platonic relationships this can be a red flag for a personality disorder nonetheless he carried on with his aspirations of one day becoming a Marine and enrolled in the U.S army Cadet Corps group in Nashua New Hampshire there he won the academic and Good Conduct honors award unfortunately the excellent student would find himself failing out of the training course in 2008. it was around this time that Christopher's friends and family noticed an odd shift in his behavior and you'll soon find out exactly why that is the date is October 5th 2009 only one day after Kimberly's body has been found the detective reads Christopher his Miranda rights before jumping right into the much anticipated interrogation the following never before heard interviews have been analyzed by a qualified team including a licensed attorney a licensed clinical psychologist a former licensed professional counselor and a licensed professional counselor what time do you get upsetting on it probably 10 something okay that means David plan to go around and look at some yard sales okay the pair of friends had supposedly visited a couple of local yard sales but were unable to find anything worth purchasing following the unsuccessful shopping spree Christopher drove Stephen back home but this wouldn't be the last that they see of each other on this day as you get close to the Saturday evening now you guys making plans Saturday night you know weekend night we're gonna go do something we weren't going to just our show like at Walmart or something who do you tell them me Steve Billy uh Quinn's a friend of ours but he couldn't get out that night okay he tried and you know he ended up having to stay home okay is that what you guys actually end up doing um well we went over to Walmart with Billy I guess had had stuff to do and so he didn't get there till later when the detective questions Christopher about whether that's actually what they did Christopher avoids answering the question directly which is a red flag for possible deception he may be trying to buy some time to think about what he should say in addition he mentions two new people seventeen-year-old Quinn Glover and 18 year old William Marks also known as Billy who'd been part of a friend group with Christopher and Stephen although Billy and Christopher had only just met a week prior you and Steve went to Walmart and then Billy met up at some point um I think we did I'm pretty sure it was this Saturday but we did okay Christopher uses a selective memory statement of I think and then a qualifier of pretty sure which are additional red flags for possible deception the event he's describing was only two days ago so it's something he should remember and be certain about he may realize that if he wants to play it off as though he has has a bad memory then he needs his memory to be poor on days that don't involve crime and murder however the detective will likely be able to confirm or deny Christopher's recount of events based on possible surveillance footage or eyewitness statements which Christopher may be realizing now and this is sometime around midnight that you meet Billy yeah how long were you guys there beforehand well we can stay completely at Walmart to be honest I didn't really put it to memory much yeah I remember hanging out but I don't remember doing much or anything someone who's being deceptive is more likely to give a base of answers they'd want to leave open the possibility to change their story if needed such as if a detective presents evidence that they were actually somewhere different than they said if a suspect gives a definite Alibi with no room for alterations then it'll be much more difficult to adjust the story later on in addition Christopher may feel like he needs to be cautious about what he says in case one of his friends gives a different account next he states that they made their way to another friend's house 19 year old Autumn Savoy at autumns Christopher recalls that they watched the popular show Dexter and he begins to describe his fascination with the series The basic principle I think is he's like addicted to like blood and stuff he really likes flooding because he kills people too because of that which Probably sounds really bad in the homicide investigation saying we were watching that but being honest you know we find it really entertaining because he works as a blood expert for the police department uh and he goes out when he finds people that they either can't get evidence on or somebody who's done something really incredibly evil generally murderers well you know and he goes out and he kills them in this ritualistic fashion but it doesn't really like show him killing them or anything what comes off as somewhat creepy is Christopher's interest in the character and the fact that he's going into such detail about the show it seems that he doesn't think this will make him look at all suspicious even continuing to state that they watched several hours of the show before he and Steven slept in his car which the detectives find to be rather odd how come you guys didn't sleeping um there's only like two couches inside yeah so I just hung out in the car because it holds in heat pretty well the pair had supposedly left Autumn's place around seven or eight in the morning before Christopher drove Stephen back to his house they met again later that afternoon at 1 30 and visited more local yard sales it turns out that they were in desperate need of money and just as their luck would have it Christopher stated that they were able to purchase a decent amount of jewelry for only twenty dollars from one sale in particular now we will find out exactly what they did with the Newfound merchandise while getting to meet our additional suspect Stephen the detective asked similar questions to that of Christopher's interrogation where Stephen gives the same story I just went downstairs and um discovered that someone at the mall you and somebody else went down there and on some jewelry is that right I didn't my friend did Kristen Kristen you want you were with Chris and you guys went there somebody recognizes you as as being there okay I was there okay we went down to yeah particular points and stuff like the Jewish I don't know why that's illegal no it's not you know part of what we've done I'm trying to create a timeline of where you are so we can talk to each one of us you know it was at uh one two o'clock in the morning you said you're at Walmart on 101a and Amherst but we're gonna go back we're gonna check that okay he says he was here he was there okay when a suspect acts defensive such as Steven is doing here this can be a red flag for deception but his age may be a factor in his behavior the logical part of the brain known as the prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed until around the age of 25 and even a few years later for men which can partially explain why teenagers and children tend to act based on their emotions rather than thinking things through it's also possible that Stephen sees the interview as a big inconvenience for him well what did Chris Paul's new gold necklaces I didn't really look at it don't tell me it was she told me it was worth money I needed money for weed [Music] Christopher and Steven had only recently become friends again after previously meeting during their time in the Boy Scouts years later they would somehow reconnect bonding over the same interests and Stephen just like his friend had grown up with issues of his own as Steven's mother was allegedly struggling with addiction during her pregnancy Stephen tested positive for illegal substances upon his birth but would go on to beat the odds and was adopted by a loving family at only five days old during his childhood years Stephen was a picture of Happiness outgoing and personable given every opportunity in life he participated in various Sports and joined both the Boy Scouts and a theater group all of which gave him the chance to make friends but once he approached his teenage years it was like a switch had gone off in an instant the once lovable boy turned cold and became uncontrollable this would later be confirmed through one of his close friends Autumn who had much to say about the troubled young man I just knew Steve was getting worse from talking to him and then at some point he went away I don't know exactly where when he came back he was not the same person he wasn't that emo kid who had issues at home he was this kid who wanted to be a gangster a big drug dealer like it was odd because somehow he always managed to have money for drugs she would sneak out at night he'd quote unquote borrow his parents cars like we'd hang out a lot he was someone I could talk to understood nice to have someone else who understood his mood swings could happen in the blink of an eye leaving his friends and family to walk on eggshells but even worse Steven was developing violent tendencies his mother Christine Spader noted that at one point Stephen had punched a wall out of sheer frustration during a most memorable incident Stephen and his father were having a heated argument and the teenager engulfed in Rage allegedly pulled out a knife started to associate with kids from different high schools where he apparently joined a gang known as the Crips although his father also named Stephen believed this to be nothing but teenage nonsense in addition he would take recreational and prescription drugs in order to help with his supposed anxiety Steven's parents grew increasingly worried about their rebellious teen and finally took him to see a psychiatrist in 2006. Steven's Behavior indicates that he was showing signs of having conduct disorder sometimes when behavioral problems are sudden and severe like in Steven's case it occurs due to some sort of trauma or major stressor in The Young Person's life and because Stephen was heading down such a dangerous path his parents reportedly spent thousands of dollars in an attempt to help their son however he was eventually diagnosed with bipolar disorder and a major depression they would apparently go so far as to enroll him in an addiction treatment center but were devastated to learn that he required a higher level of treatment than the facility could offer Stephen was then taken to a residential treatment center but left within a month yet another failed resource he even spent a few short days in psychiatric hospitals in 2008 and supposedly ran away with his girlfriend later that year but was found in New York and returned home within days it seemed that there was nothing left to try but the devoted parents would never give up on their child although not a single thing could have prevented the heinous acts of the monster that was about to be Unleashed back to the early Sunday morning all right I'll add some more information when I was downstairs yeah Billy's basically giving it up this may be an example of the prisoner's dilemma in which Stephen now faces the decision of whether to confess or to stick with his story if Billy says nothing and Stephen says nothing it's possible that there is not enough evidence to tie them to the crime and they'll face no punishment however if Billy has talked and implicated Stephen it's possible that Stephen could face a harsher punishment if he doesn't give his side of the story but if Stephen confesses his role and Billy has admitted his part as well they will likely both be punished the prisoner's dilemma is such an effective tactic because Stephen is separated from the others he doesn't know what they're saying or if they've cracked under the pressure if he knew for sure the others weren't talking he would feel more confident in keeping his original story but the seeds of Doubt are likely gnawing at him now leaving him panicking about what to do let out forever well I mean I kind of accuse you all along I'm trying to tell you what I know and what I found out if you want an attorney all you have to say is I want to turn is that what he's telling me well this is all voluntarily I don't know why I can't get that out right now I want to leave I would like to leave right now I'm told that you're not leaving come on because there's enough I believe there's enough information a place you left the scene of the crime and that you're someone that's caused this town huh okay okay are you asking for an attorney you're asking to voluntarily talk to you guys now you guys are telling me that I can't leave and I didn't do anything I want to be let out okay I don't want to smoke a cigarette okay frustrated the detectives must end the interrogation it's possible that Stephen refuses to believe his friend has betrayed him but as we will later hear from Billy he was ready to come clean in the meantime there are still a few things that Christopher's interrogators would like to cover and right now I'm going to tell you that there are some other stories that are being told you gotta think long and hard right now about what happened this weekend okay okay let's go back to Saturday night all right what happened after you left your girlfriends there's a party that you went to I was pretty sure I'm back home but okay um I mean it's got a lot of Steve the confrontation phase of the interrogation is now underway but Christopher maintains his original story although the detectives aren't buying it what do you know about what happened up there in Mount Vernon all I know is like this morning like really early this morning we were looking on the internet on the telegraph to see what was going on and there was something about um there was a lady killed in Mount Vernon um and there's like a young girl that's in stable condition in the hospital I don't know if it was me or one of Steve's friends or something somebody texted one of us or or email us let's just remember that that we heard that the girl was conceivably in the same class as one of our friends sisters or something and so I guess she's about 10 years old which honestly that's I hope she's gonna be okay because that's horrible to do something to a little girl but it's common in the read technique for investigators to ask what the suspect thinks the purpose of the interview is individuals who are being honest are more likely to use realistic words to describe the crime while deceptive individuals may answer vaguely or use soft words like hurt or attack instead of murder Christopher's use of the word killed here is in line with what a truthful subject might say however his reference to the girl in the hospital is vague this may be an example of how most people who are being deceptive won't answer every question in a deceptive way people will generally provide a mix of deceptive and truthful behaviors but there will be more deceptive indicators when someone is lying and more truthful indicators when someone's being honest this is why it's important for detectives to interpret body language and verbal responses in conjunction with the actual physical evidence I mean I know it sounds cold but it wasn't a huge deal to me because I didn't know although Christopher has not been formally diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder it's always interesting when people such as Psychopaths use language like this because it shows their awareness of what empathy or lack of is but also their ability to be manipulative assume that somebody specifically tried to kill them like that rubs against my conscience personally I'm one of those type of gentlemanly Chevrolet guys that you don't even hit girls let alone go out and treat them badly Christopher's statement here may be what is known as a convincing statement individuals who are telling the truth don't usually feel the need to prop up their story with convincing statements about what a great person they are because they know the facts are on their side on the other hand individuals who are being deceptive may use these sorts of statements to bolster their image and persuade detectives to believe them it's the girls in the hospital obviously she probably got injured or something it's funny you should mention that because I want to let you know she is going to survive fortunately that's good yeah that is real good because it's it's real good because she deserves to be alive and so does yes you know but you know what else is good it's good because she could ID the two people in the house that'd be awesome I hope you guys can do that Christopher's voice is slightly shakier and he overall sounds less sure of himself here as the detectives attempt to break his confidence and although Christopher States his relief that Jamie is expected to survive he's likely panicking at the thought that she may be able to identify him let's say it was a robbery gone wrong Mom ends up dead a little girl ends up seriously injuring people involved in it now what do you think should happen to those people well they should probably get sent to jail for the rest of their lives in prison I obviously don't know what's the difference between jail and prison although Christopher's response sounds okay at first glance it's a red flag that he qualified his answer with the word probably most truthful individuals would provide a firm response in a situation like this if the officers had doubt about his involvement before then they definitely don't any longer the thing that seems to oblige you to me is the car and why do you think that is I don't know maybe a car like that was just seen in the area and so you're checking out that lead it's quite possible it wasn't me I could have been driving down that road right when it happened which kind of scares me because what if they'd come out of the house and needed a getaway car and killed me for my car that that kind of makes me nervous I probably won't drive around there too much anymore this statement indicates that not only does he know the exact area the police are referring to but he won't go there again this may have been a slip up on his part as Christopher was likely trying to convince the detectives that Not only was he not involved in the crime but he could have even potentially been the Killer's next victim however in doing so he seemingly confirmed that he had been in that area in addition asking the suspect to elaborate on their knowledge of the evidence is a common way to get them talking and a possible opening for them to make mistakes let's say you were on that road that night assuming I was that scares me to show us it should because not only does it make me a suspect obviously since you're questioning me but that really scares me that somebody who is willing to attack even if they were just trying to get out of the house a woman and a little girl of course they're gonna attack me for my car like I've never had my car jacked but I've been scared of it sometimes apparently while driving around on Saturday night Christopher and Stephen traveled all the way to Mount Vernon Christopher states that they eventually parked in a driveway down one of the back roads for a bathroom break but he doesn't clearly remember where they were unsurprisingly the detectives find this to be more than suspicious but rather than confront Christopher just yet they switch gears to a new topic the Gang Stephen had recently formed the Disciples of Destruction looking to achieve a sense of Brotherhood along with financial prosperity he recruited none other than Christopher Billy and Quinn were the essential values of the group consisted of loyalty and violence with the only way in being the commission of crime the recruit would invade a house and dispose of anyone who may be inside seeing as Christopher was having trouble at home he wanted more than anything to be part of something where he could freely Express himself Christopher had been accusing his mother of emotional and physical abuse for quite some time claiming that she would allegedly pin him to the floor and pop acne on his back spank him and require him to carry a vacuum around the house the accusations were never confirmed but his mother did recall a time where she had spanked the child so hard with a wooden spoon that the utensil broke she would later admit that she regretted losing her control but has since denied any of the other allegations and there is no evidence of them being true nonetheless during his early teenage years Christopher began to have dark and twisted fantasies about his mother and wish that one day he would carry them out confessing his evil thoughts to a counselor at Cadet Camp he supposedly stated his thoughts of wanting to cut his mother into pieces and listen to her scream like I screamed the counselor horrified at what they'd heard immediately notified Christopher's parents they were absolutely shocked at the confession and didn't wait long to bring Christopher in for a psychological evaluation the psychiatrist concluded that he'd been displaying trades of antisocial personality disorder but was too young to be formally diagnosed despite the blood curdling fantasies the teenager was not considered a threat to society or at least that's what was decided at the time if these dark and twisted fantasies were expressed as just Christopher's angry thoughts towards as allegedly abusive mother it would be difficult to have him committed to a psychiatric facility in addition inpatient psychiatric hospitalizations are typically limited to days or weeks at most it's rare for patients to be committed for months at a time unless they have a very severe mental illness so although Christopher displayed all the signs of likely being a hazard to society it's difficult for his parents his counselor or his psychiatrist to do anything to stop him from someday acting on those thoughts sadly in many cases it's only when the person acts that measures are taken to prevent them from harming others again angry and frustrated it seems to be of excellent timing when he and Stephen had reconnected in 2009 what would you do is Steve put you in a position a pre hairy predicament would you stop him or would you follow him and deal with the consequences later I would definitely stop him because I don't I don't put up with stuff from anyone to a certain degree if he's gonna smoke cigarettes and he's almost 18 I don't care we're not talking we're not talking smoking cigarettes so yeah we're not talking drinking beer if you're underage no I'm just using I'm talking serious stuff I don't think you really get the big picture you were here for a reason okay you want to know what the other guys are talking about that are talking about cigarettes so you better start thinking really hard and pull your head out of your behind and stop telling us what happened on Saturday night because it's not looking very good for you people are talking about something different than what you are telling us this was Saturday night this wasn't three months ago Saturday night this was Saturday night it is Monday right now there should be no question in your mind what you did you just called us you don't use drugs you don't drink no you have no reason to have this memory loss I just don't put anything into long-term memory unless it's in let's take a deep breath and think long and hard about what happened Saturday night this is the prisoner's dilemma I'd play again this time with Christopher being on the receiving end of it he likely believes that his selective memory is a safe bet right now as it leaves the door open for him to suddenly remember something later in a justice story however what he doesn't seem to realize is that having a memory of extremes like this is highly suspicious with this in mind the detectives are hoping to back Christopher into a corner but the teenager refuses to budge although this won't last for long well I can't tell you anything but what I think I did what you think you did don't tell me what you think you did tell me what you did okay be a man and tell me what you did we got in the car and left I mean that's we don't do anything on Saturday nights we just drive around the issue comes down to what was your role and what happened Saturday night do you really think we did that I think you know who did something I think you know what went on there I think you have knowledge about what went on there that can help us with our investigation Chris the first question stands out as a possible indication of deception someone who's being truthful is more likely to adamantly deny any involvement in a firm tone of voice but Christopher's is weak and his question is clearly lacking any actual denial the detective is also using an alternative explanation that minimizes the suspect's role in the crime by asserting that Christopher has knowledge of it but Without accusing him of taking part in the act itself you guys really think that we did it don't you tell anyone you did it no no you didn't tell anyone you didn't is telling us right now that you told them that you cut that little girl's throat that would be a lie yes that would be a lie I would never hurt a girl let alone some little girl that would be horrible stop telling us Chris about why you guys went into that house because right now it isn't a question if it's a question why we were just driving around who just me and Steve you and Steve and what happened next we drove around we stopped maybe and took took a break to pee and then we got back in the car and drove around more see here's the thing Chris you feel like you're giving us just enough to explain away what you think we might know or things that we might have and you're thinking that that's going to be enough where later on you can say well I told you that well I said that well I can explain that you do not know all that we know rest assured when I know rest assured you do not know all that we know during the interrogation one of the detectives has been stepping out of the room to retrieve information from the other interviews that are taking place with Billy Quinn Stephen and Autumn and little does Christopher know his friends weren't as willing to conceal the truth it's okay to tell the truth it is okay to say what happened to tell the truth because Society is going to draw its own version of this whole thing they already have you read the paper you read the telegraph it's just a paragraph online okay if that's all you read fine but I bet in that one paragraph you can sum up what the reporter's attitude about the whole thing is there's some animal out there hacking people up killing peoples in their own home in the middle of the night that's an animal that's a killer oh yeah that that's someone that needs to be killed themselves a guy like you come on you're not cruising yard sales on a weekend come on dude no you're not that jewelry is going to be traced back to that house and we're going to check the records of anything else you pawned on because you even said they take your name your license number all that information how much of that other jewelry and that of those other Goods that you pawned off we're going to come back to other burglars that were just that simple burglaries the most I've done is I was like nine years old I tried to take a thing of Pokemon stickers for my KD toys stop minimizing stop we're not talking we're not talking smoking when you're under 18. we're not talking stealing Pokemon stickers we're talking murder I don't do that you may not you may not have but someone in that house did you were there investigators again pose the alternate theory that gives the appearance of minimizing the severity of the crime this is meant in part to keep the suspect talking and eventually willing to admit to something and eventually the truth of their role in the crime nonetheless Christopher refuses to waver on his original story invoking that is an eagle scout murder is not a core value Chris let me ask you this you ever been in the Nashville River does that mean anything to you I don't know which river the Nashua river is now you don't know eventually River lately no I don't know no you haven't been by a river lately unless you hear me driving over one or Crossing off minimizing stop dancing around the issue John has asked you a very specific question have you been to a river lately yes or no I think this I've been to the river next to the hatch when was this hello two nights ago maybe yesterday would you go by the river flop I parked we just throw in the river Chris what did you throw in the river what was thrown in the river Chris I didn't throw anything in the river what was thrown in the river I didn't ask if you did what was thrown in the river nothing nothing I didn't throw anything you lie in Christ we have evidence you're lying you know what happens to people who slice little girls in prison you know what happens to them do you know no I've never been to prison yeah well you know what you're gonna find out and arrest me my God what were you thinking what were you thinking when you were hatching away at her hacking away at her hearing her scream we've smiling you was smiling aren't you you are that sick you are that sick animal that went in there with the sole purpose carrying that [ __ ] because the other guys might have thought it was just a burglary they're just going to skim a little jewelry go make a little cash be done with it but you went in there with another plan you went in there to kill like that that Rush that adrenaline got you liked it until the lights came on the reality here saw the damage you had done the detectives have shifted from placing the blame on Stephen to making Christopher the actual ringleader they've tried playing him as the victim who simply followed along but since that tactic didn't work their next option is to evoke anger or guilt in hopes that he will tell the truth it's possible that the investigators believe that he's the psychopathic Mastermind and that calling him out on it would appeal to his nature trying to paint him as a follower if he is the leader would after all be an insult to him if you've given that opportunity would you offer an apology to that little girl for what happened to her mom would you so I have done it yes most people would tell a person that was severely injured they were sorry it happened regardless of their involvement it's part of an empathetic response Christopher's answer lends significant credibility to the idea that he is on the psychopathic end of antisocial personality disorder since lack of empathy is a key component of psychopathy this statement labels him something of a deviant whether he was guilty of this particular crime or not following the heated confrontation Christopher decides that he doesn't want to speak with the detectives any longer but over an hour later he seems to have changed his mind not only this but now we're able to hear from the much talked about Billy who has been confessing all along the detectives Begin by reading billia's rights and quickly dives into his side of the story this is your chance to talk Billy so I'd like you to guess tell us what you know about the incident I don't know whatever so my teacher history in school okay Billy the information we have is it you were there the detective informs Billy that he's not the only suspect being interviewed at this very moment so why don't you go ahead and tell us what you know about the incident of Mount Vernon what I normally come out which part my involvement was I was just there okay who are you there with excuse me and uh Chris you don't know Chris's last name okay okay and uh who else would we deal with uh Quinn Quinn's brother okay Billy is minimizing his involvement by using the word just this is likely an attempt to lessen his punishment and possibly any feelings of guilt given how quickly he admitted to being there it's possible that he either felt compelled to clear his guilty conscience or he's a person who succumbs easily to pressure in addition when more than one person is involved in a crime a psychological phenomenon known as a diffusion of responsibility occurs this means that each person feels less responsible for the crime because the responsibility is shared if Billy is being honest and saying that he was there but didn't actively participate in the attack he may have Justified the crime to himself because others were doing something much worse [Music] is there anything it's fun like you know whatever we find out so I've met him down the street so you're going to meet Steve yeah and who's going to speed at this point and it was just him and when he gone for it for the in a vehicle he was on foot okay and what happened at that meeting somebody told me that we were going to Walmart to meet Chris apparently Stephen had texted Billy around midnight after meeting Christopher at Walmart their next stop would be Quinn's house before heading off for the night however as we'll hear from Quinn himself he wasn't all too thrilled to be joining the trio that night apparently Steven had informed him earlier that day of his plans to commit a robbery whereas Quinn was a little apprehensive at the idea regardless Stephen would ensure his friend's compliance and made his way to Quinn's house a little after 12 a.m there were text messages there were calls I told Stevie that um my dad had caught me going out which I didn't even attempt yet my dad was downstairs so I said it very softly into the phone but he said your dad caught you and I said yes he said I don't care if your dad catches you I don't care if you walk out the front door you have to get out tonight eventually Quinn agreed to go along and even brought an extra pair of gloves for Steven's request one yeah how much I have no idea no idea I have no idea what I mean but um all right so I don't remember much of that night how come I just try to talk it out I bet so I met for you uh he was in drugs that night no drinking okay uh what are you the other guys yeah how did you come to Target that house it was their idea I have no idea okay at what point did they bring you into the idea and tell you what was going to happen when they take me out ever okay what did they discuss with you this is the stuff that they were gonna because they were gonna like try to just I don't know they kind of I don't I don't usually understand him he doesn't make sense most of the time yeah I've known him for a while and when he says stuff that he wants to do what he usually doesn't mean it yeah because um he's just you know that's just how I interpret it but he's like oh yeah we're gonna go try to do this go try and do what if you don't understand it issues his words but we're gonna go try and do just make some money that that's his expression we're gonna go try and make some money yeah and that was Stephen saying that yeah if Billy isn't a violent criminal it makes sense that he's tried to block that night from his memory it can be traumatic to witness such a scene and oftentimes those who come along for the ride like Billy claims to have done could be somewhat afraid of speaking out or trying to stop the others from committing the crime in addition Billy may think that if he keeps the details to a minimum it will make him seem less culpable and save him from having to answer uncomfortable questions but what Billy may have known was that Stephen the supposed ringleader of the group had apparently been discussing his urge to commit a brutal crime he started off saying when you take a hit from me would you take the blame for me he would wait for me to agree and then he would move on and say would you break into a house with me or would you steal something with me and then you would wait for me to agree and then closer to the event he started talking about you know when you kill for me if somebody was on my back next Billy explains that Christopher had driven the group of four to the address of four troll Road they originally planned to burglarize the house next to the Kates but abandoned the idea out of fear that it would be too big and confusing Christopher dropped his accomplices off at the residence but quickly drove off to find an appropriate appropriate parking spot deciding on a house's long driveway down the road around 30 minutes later he met the three back at the Kate's home to plan their entry couldn't figure out how to get in the house okay now watching the people okay uh and who came and said they got in I don't know it was sorry it's an accident or anything nobody so I don't know if you go into the house with them yes there is a noticeable delay before Billy answers this question when someone hesitates before responding this usually indicates they're thinking about what to say since this was a simple question and he should have readily known if he went inside or not the pause was likely due to him considering what would happen if he said no he may have pondered if he would get in less trouble however Billy rejected this idea as he may have realized that the detectives already knew he was inside so lying might make things worse for him you're a little guy you know how tall are you Billy five five two how much do you weigh 96 pounds little guy that would be handy to have ass on the window right the opening it was a big opening right um the shallow window you enter the shower window yeah okay next we pick up with Christopher whose confession is one of the most chilling that you'll ever hear Steve and I are very similar Stevens Vader both of us grew up with problems in our families um technically we're both sociopaths legally by uh neuropsychologists declaration there should be a paper in the scripture case in the top black top drawer of my black dresser that says as much okay sociopathy is not an actual clinical diagnosis but rather a term that describes a set of Personality factors the terms sociopath and psychopath are sometimes used interchangeably and have many similarities but there are a few key differences sociopaths may form some attachments to a select few people while psychopaths are unable to have a genuine connection with anyone psychopaths are more likely to be calculating in appear charismatic whereas sociopaths are more Reckless and disorganized individuals with antisocial personality disorder may fit the description for sociopathy or psychopathy but the official diagnosis would be anti-social personality disorder Christopher's trades seem to heavily align with this disorder which may not come as a surprise to everyone only days before October 4th 2009 Christopher had sent a frightening message to his ex-girlfriend Ashley Martin I've tried letting my nice Side Run things it didn't work now the dark side of me will many people with antisocial personality disorder will describe having these two sides to their personality they can be very charismatic and personable in many cases however it doesn't take much for the other side to emerge which is often triggered by anger stress or if the person simply has a need to fulfill a few days ago we decided that we were still low on cash um we couldn't manage to get jobs and we were going to try and get another robbery we weren't sure when or how we were going to do it Saturday morning when I was with Steve he told me that him and Billy had been cruising around and had found a house at Mount Vernon that looked reasonable enough that it was out in the middle of nowhere I were thinking we were gonna go in there when it was just me and him together in the car you and him meaning I mean Steve okay in the car he said yeah we're just gonna go in there let's grab some stuff if anybody's there we're gonna kill him have some fun I agreed and if you do that that sounded good this strongly suggests that although Christopher did not know the victims there was a conditional intent to kill if people were present in the house however premeditation doesn't require a certain period of time to form as an element of murder only enough time to form the intent consider the crime and then act this can be as little as a few seconds but this may not have been the only crime committed by Christopher and Stephen apparently on Sunday September 27th only one week prior to Kimberly's death a robbery had taken place in Brookline right next to Stephen's house the McNeil family had left for church at the same time they did every Sunday and returned to later that afternoon it wouldn't be until around 7 30 PM that they noticed their back door to the porch had been kicked in along with this they discovered that various items of jewelry were missing in addition to an iPod a piggy bank and several other valuables supposedly Christopher had known the family quite well as they attended the same church and Stephen was also well acquainted with them on account of the family's close living quarters although it hasn't been confirmed it is most likely the previous robbery that Christopher is referring to here Billy was in R2 he was all for it we all had pocket knives I had found a machete that my father owned and Steve had mentioned he liked machetes so I brought it along okay and there's a Boy Scout knife a straight straight knife four or five inches long okay thin blade I like it a very nice handle and it had a leather leather case that could go on your belt yeah so I chose that we met up Quinn was going to be on it in on it too okay Autumn was gonna be our cover story he said we'd get there whenever we told him he'd say we were there from that time on okay so we have an alibi this information clearly shows preparation for the commission of the crime of murder and goes to support premeditation Christopher also has an interesting deviation from the story here as the knife he had seems to hold just as much interest to him as the upcoming story um we looked around for a good entry point where we would make a lot of noise we didn't see any alarm systems so we figured we were probably set all the doors were locked um we finally found one basement window we thought we could get billions here if I could get it open yep um I used the black mechanical assist lifestyle to cut the screens there were two screens between us and the window and I tried to cut the the frame out of the window but ended up breaking the glass uh which kind of basically bashed in the window not the glass but I managed to break it off of the handle that was on top holding it down we couldn't get anyone else in any other way so far and so we started sliding billion Billy got in and it was because he went over to the basement door and thought it was locked because he pushed on it instead of pulling and so he was stuck in the basement and they were trying to get him out okay Steve had the idea that we could take the air conditioner out okay so I cut the panels off from around the side yep and we moved the air conditioner over take note of Christopher's wording here he asserts his superiority over Billy who most likely had an emotional response and panicked whereas Christopher believes himself to be someone that would never get locked in a room continuing with the course of events once Stephen was inside of the home he quietly made his way to the back door where Christopher and Quinn were waiting outside they eventually found Billy in the basement and proceeded with their depraved plan upon their entry they noticed that the residents had motion detectors in hopes to avert the system Christopher swiftly located the breakers next to the front door cutting the power within a second as they began to search for jewelry an iPod was discovered in one of the several rooms most likely Jamie's using the iPod screen light to guide their way Steven led the sadistic pact towards the master bedroom where Kimberly and her daughter were peacefully sleeping when Stephen opened the master bedroom door quietly he looked in and he said that there are people but with Connie said there's no people so he started to get a little bit relaxed and started talking started to climb quietest down then he shined the light on the bed and that's when they woke up okay the mother said something like Genie is that you Stevie through the light she went around to one side of the bed where the girl apparently was sleeping I started to circle around to the other side in case something happened the mom sat up in the bed started asking who was there what was going on tried to turn on the lamp and it didn't turn on yeah when she did that Steve started hacking at the bed with the machete okay um they started screaming because they heard something apparently he missed the most like but I heard him hit them all and so I dove in and stabbed her a few times in the chest Steve was just hacking away he totally lost it I was controlled but I didn't really feel much or anything yeah okay I thought I would but I didn't what were Quinn and uh Billy Dylan they stayed by the door and they didn't do anything oh honestly we did everything um the girl jumped up I almost sensed during the dark get up and jumped over her mother um SD was hacking away and she jumped right into my arms um I stabbed her once towards the the face then I went for the front because I was swinging around and she got free of my hand and went flying into the glass door knocked her head um stop crying completely okay I figured she was probably toast yeah the mom was still gurgling and kind of breathing deeply Steve just just went at her um I was actually kind of scared of him he just just kept hacking into the bed came over for an outside and hacked at it this morning yeah um and then went over and kicked the girl a couple times with his steel toe boots and then hit her in the head with the machete at least that's so he said he didn't even for that yeah I was backing off because I knew Steve was losing it I could tell um then he turned around he looked like Jason from Halloween you remember the machete Museum and that was and I told him Steve relax it's just me it's Chris he was breathing hard and relaxing Quinn had the good sense to go turn the breakers back on in line so long yeah in fact Quinn couldn't believe the horror before his eyes when the mother woke up she made a comment I thought she said Jamie Ryan or something you know that and you covered your ears and ran I didn't run I walked walk out of the room okay that's because you knew what the purpose was to be there I guess I didn't believe it was really happening I was shocked that people were home I was shocked that this is actually happening and I walked down the hallway because I didn't want to face the reality the mom is obviously not gonna make it um the girl I was pretty sure wasn't going to and she was completely out there was blood all over the place according to Christopher's description of Stephen's Behavior it seems that Stephen was experiencing a rage blackout which is similar to those that people with anger management issues struggle with the person often acts very primitively as was the case with Stephen and how he brutally murdered Kimberly Christopher's actions are calmer and more methodical evidence of this can go to show many things among them a sense of self-control and understanding which negates any sort of non-culpability Defense a court-appointed psychiatrist would be able to interview Christopher and easily determine that he understood the nature of his acts and knew at the time of the crime that they were wrong however he may have wanted to portray himself as remaining in control because he believed it made him look stronger compared to Stephen for someone with antisocial personality disorder they might see it as very negative to lose control as they often view themselves as Superior to others whether he lost it or not the outcome of their Twisted idea of fun was something beyond your worst nightmare horrifically so Kimberly had been struck with the machete in the head and torso 36 times while her daughter had suffered 18 severe wounds including a punctured lung a fractured elbow a cracked skull and a partially amputated foot following the murder Quinn had unexpectedly turned the lights back on forcing them to look at the disturbing scene however this may have given them even more of the gratification that they so greatly desired and although the perpetrators were convinced that their work had been done they underestimated just how strong that 11 year old girl really was petrified at Jamie lay there on the blood-stained floor while her attackers stole a few pieces of jewelry before fleeing the scene pretending that she had succumbed to her injuries Jaime was able to escape the cruel fate that they had so mercilessly tried to bring upon her she was able to gather all of her strength and dial 9-1-1 when someone encounters a threat they may stop all movement and sound in an attempt to hide from whatever the threat is also known as the freeze response the idea is that by drawing as little attention to themselves as possible they may minimize the danger in doing so there's no doubt that Jaime showed an incredible amount of courage and although it seems we've heard every blood curdling detail from Christopher Billy is suddenly rather hesitant to give the full story you never go in that master bedroom no you never confront these people your knife was never used all right did you ever ever I know this is a tough thing for you did you ever see the people you don't want to talk about whether you saw them or not yeah just that whole part Billy's answers have been brief and while not completely avoidant they have been limited this could be taken in one of two ways either he's guilty and trying to hide his crimes even feeling remorse or disgusted about what they took part in or he's a traumatized onlooker who had no idea what was going to happen and whose brain blocked out much of the memory as a protective measure we know that our brain is capable of protecting itself from traumatizing events in this way but this is also an awfully convenient excuse that someone can use when trying to avoid openly and honestly retelling the events that occurred in spite of this the detective informs Billy that forensic evidence will always prove fact from fiction so it's in his best interest to be completely transparent he finally admits to Stepping foot in the master bedroom for a short amount of time I don't remember so I hope I don't know why people so I just came on and I saw that and you saw what Philly I know it's kind of guy I know it's got it you know I don't know did you see the woman yeah where was she on the bushy alive I I yeah I didn't think so okay did you choose a little girl yeah where was she she was on the floor and was she alive the time job store you want to touch any one of them no you're a nice ever touch any of them did you let me know anyone that night the fact that Billy even took a knife to the burglary indicates that he may have had the intention of using it on the other hand the knife possibly helped Billy to feel tough so he could build up the nerve to enter the home and commit the robbery it seems however that the violence blood and death was too much for him to handle and you guys sat around prior to Saturday and talked about the university well I didn't put them first with I don't know what they did you're telling me right now you're looking me in the eye and you tell me you've never done a broker before written in part of this okay we haven't heard any of those guys talk about killing people like kidding around yeah but okay we're kind of kidding your mouth you know it's like normal you know like I'll kill you you know how kids are just saying that all the time so no teachers people like that but not really like shared or seriousness of actually killing someone manipulative Killers will often seek their Partners using a certain pattern as we see here they'll joke about things like crime and murder to see who's completely repulsed and not a potential accomplice and who will let it slide eventually they'll take it further down the path of dark crime jokes or actions until the other person is complicit in something serious with no way to escape this may have been the case with Stephen although Billy asserts that there was never an orchestrated plan and he thought the mutual understanding between the group was that it would be a robbery and nothing more but later it was revealed that he and Stephen had previously scouted troll Road for a house to burglarize even telling a friend on Saturday October 3rd that Stevie was planning a breaking and entering not only this but Billy had been flaunting his assisted opening knife allegedly stating that he was planning on using it on a police officer or someone else honestly so I wasn't planning on it I was just in there for the I just wanted to make some quick on it but what was it me I thought I felt the same I I honestly I couldn't tell you what they did their intentions were that they had a plan if they had confronted somebody didn't they I guess so did they tell you what that plan was if they confronted so much I heard well then yes I did but they told me that if there were people in the house the things Accord whatever that you know pissed off that's that's what I thought it would be happening but when did they tell you that probably it's a day or two before maybe so you had discussed a broker where you ahead of time not that specific supposedly Stephen had even requested that a friend research how to make the dangerous concoction he wanted me to look up how to make chloroform and I was like all right whatever I didn't see it as a big deal because I've known Steve to own uh copies of the anarchists and terrorist cookbook knowing Steve and his history I I took everything I heard with a grain of salt because as much as you know Steve was like a brother to me I couldn't really trust the words anything that Steve said in all actuality because he'd give these Brandy stories and there'd be no one to Cooper corroborate anything he said apparently the Friday before the attack Steven had told Autumn that he had a plan in mind for that weekend but didn't want to divulge any details to his friend his reason being that he wanted Autumn to stay out of trouble however Steven will involve him soon enough despite Stephen and Christopher's alleged plan Billy asserts that they did not bring the chloroform after all while the little girl struggled to call the police the assailants quickly fled on foot back to Christopher's car where they each had a new pair of clothes to change into they drove Billy back to his vehicle at Walmart and later dropped Quinn off at his house before Stephen and Christopher made their way to Autumn's place around 5 30 in the morning before leaving the Kate's house Stephen had allegedly wished to carve the words you're lucky into the neighbor's outside wall seeing as they were almost chosen as the innocent victims this likely indicates that Stephen may have been on a sort of high after murdering Kimberly feeling like a villain and that he had the power to spare the people next door so yeah we basically planned that if someone was there we were gonna kill him did you think that it was if somebody was there if they resisted you were going to kill him I was just we were just going to kill him yeah I'll be perfectly honest I wanted to kill someone for a long time it's like an urge and it was kind of a that I could get it out it's very rare for a murderer to make this sort of admission although it's horrific to hear and very confusing for the average person to understand such a desire it's this type of information that helps us to understand the mind of someone with severe anti-social personality disorder they don't value human life the way a typical person does and only think of their own needs and desires their own urges as Christopher insightfully described they often know right from wrong as Christopher verbalized earlier of how horrific it would be for someone to harm a woman let alone a little girl but they don't guide themselves by moral principles people with antisocial personality can often learn to mimic normal human emotion but they don't actually feel that emotion I thought at least I would feel bad about it I'm almost trying to say I don't I'm not sure why I thought I would at least like puke afterwards or something after looking at her with her forearm open with the bone showing her when you say hi you mean yeah starving the girl as she was saying please don't do this because the mom was who was saying please open this the the girl the little girl and the mom was like it'll be okay I think her mom probably hopes that we weren't going to hurt the little girl because she was a little girl it was kind of cool because it was different yeah but I'm not really sure if I have the conscience anymore Christopher may very well be enjoying the process of telling the story because he gets to relive the incident this may be why he's being so forthcoming providing so much detail even laying out his feelings and thought process he's giving the detectives much more than what they're asking for but it's unlikely that he's doing it to help the detectives because like he said he doesn't care or feel bad and he isn't sure if he has a conscience even with the possibility of being locked in prison for the rest of his life he may be able to feel some satisfaction thinking back to the memory of the crime Steve had mentioned that we work in our time to torture and that we do it some other time it's likely that Stephen was the more sadistic of the two although Christopher seems to definitely have sadistic Tendencies it seems that Stephen was more of the Savage violent Criminal Who plotted the crimes while Christopher was more of the brains of the operation I think Steve enjoys just The Butchery part of it the power yeah I'm more of a Precision sort of guy if I went in there to kill I'm just going to kill him Steve was pretty much excited but it definitely wasn't his first time it was like yeah it's awesome you'll get used to it Chris it gets addicting but we'll take care of it yeah even Autumn can recall Steven's volatile nature Steve had always talked about doing shootings and killing people and said he'd killed a lot of people and like he had got a lot of respect on the streets and whatever and it always said he he wanted to kill someone to know what it felt like I never took it as anything more than you know the ramblings of a troubled kids according to Autumn Stephen had apparently proclaimed at one point you have no idea what I'm capable of Steve had mentioned in the past that he wanted to kill his mom um because there was a lot of animosity between them because he he degraded him in his opinion um he was thinking very seriously in discussing with Chris Gribble about murdering his mother uh Steven's mother this sort of obsession with murder and enjoyment of the act itself is common among people with severe anti-social personality disorder oftentimes they'll commit murder as a means to an end such as to obtain money or to avoid being caught if a victim lives and is able to identify them it's less common when the person actually takes pleasure in the act of murder this is often evidenced by the weapon that is chosen and the manner that the murder was executed for instance using a machete May indicate enjoyment of the process since it involves closer contact with the victim and their death is prolonged using a firearm could indicate that the person simply wanted to kill the victim as quickly as possible as it provides physical distance and often kills quickly Steve had mentioned before that he's killed multiple people um he said this one it wasn't his first mom and daughter well either or we were in the driveway it's possible that Stephen was lying about his alleged previous murders to impress the group however it may have also been a form of manipulation he wanted them to feel confident that he'd already gotten away with murder before so they could trust that he would make sure they got away with it this time too although Steven's claims have never been confirmed the fact that he would make such alarming claims is enough to shock you to your core after the horrific ordeal Christopher and Stephen made their way to Autumn's house around five in the morning where the young man seemed to be unaware of what had just occurred I was looking at him and I was like what do you want and he's like nothing I'm just I'm just asked I was like why he's like oh we just killed two people like he said it really nonchalantly and I was and being Steve and his stories previously I was like yeah okay you know I didn't believe a word of what he said Autumn was of the impression that they had committed a robbery and not a murder however as the attacker showcased their Newfound possessions he was more than willing to help dispose of the evidence Chris grabbed the Clone the bag of clothes and was carrying it and Steve and I knew the past pretty well because that's where we used to go and smoke weeds and so we went down there Steve and Chris were trying to decide who was going to throw the stuff into the river and she's like Autumn why don't you just throw it in I was like all right I I was extremely Disturbed as to the story which they were telling me I became very very nervous because from the detail it just seems to be incredibly real hoping to put some distance between them and the murder they plan to burn the remaining evidence but Autumn supposedly had the idea of throwing it into the Nashua River instead although ironically enough he would ultimately be the one to lead police directly to it although Autumn asserts that he had no previous knowledge of the intended crime his story seems to contain a few holes I was scared because as far as I knew I was sitting in a room with two murderers is that what he made jokes that you're not smarter than a victory I made jokes I make jokes because it helps me stay calm and I was very scared those jokes didn't start occurring until after Celia texted Steve saying that the little girl had survived on Saturday Steven looked me in the face and said there are only five people who know about this four of us who did it ndu if it comes down to police showing up we know you read it and I love you like a brother but I'll kill you I will kill you and anyone you care about during his interrogation Autumn jumped at the first opportunity to confess showing where he Stephen and Christopher had thrown a black trash bag with a small jewelry box an air conditioner screen rubber gloves a plastic bag with an insurance card belonging to David Cates a red sweatshirt with Stephen's name socks with Christopher's name and several other items placed inside Christopher and Steven had also buried some of the remaining jewelry the machete a knife and two iPods one from the Kate's home and one from their previous robbery in a wooded area near Christopher's house but not before they had a chance to show off the terrifying weapons to their friends hours after the murder had taken place Christopher Stephen Billy and another friend Eldon spikes had all been hanging out at their regular spot Walmart where Stephen had supposedly revealed the tale of Horror he was excited to tell the story supposedly stating that he wished he could do it again although the friends were unsure if Eldon had taken the words into account considering that he had allegedly been high on numerous drugs Christopher and Stephen then traveled to the Pheasant Lane Mall in Nashua selling the jewelry for 130 dollars at a cash for gold store where they were actually stopped by police for appearing suspicious they were informed that multiple robberies had recently taken place in Brookline and Mount Vernon but of course the two didn't confess their guilt as a result the officer didn't question them any further but little did he know he was staring into the faces of Stone Cold Killers later that day Christopher and Steven traveled to their friend Kyle Fenton's home located in Brookline and brought the machete and knife along with them there they proudly revealed their haunting secret spilling every shocking detail about the murder and parading the weapons as if it were show and tell but what the teenagers managed to forget was that not everyone would share in their excitement at the gruesome crime and some might even report it to the police fortunately when Kyle informed his mother of the situation she did exactly that Christopher and Stevens grandiosity hit unsurprisingly backfired in their excitement they got too boastful and essentially participated in turning themselves in if I were to tell you that Alvin said he was threatened would that surprise you no do you know Eldon was threatened technology did you hear that he had been threatened you don't know anything about that threat no okay again I'm going to ask you if you heard any more details after the fact any of the guys talking about it they seem to have used by it fishing the news by him who's they excuse me because Stevie and Chris um so and that's what he said it was just small shatter but before this was there before yeah after in the house and you talk much but after would have stayed they said that you know the Legacy was they said pretty much it was like he's fine it was fun who said it was fun however the disturbing jokes were not shared by everyone as Quinn was in disbelief at the gruesome attack Chris was just saying that he was happy he got the kid and we had a little bit of an argument over that um just over the ethics of it who had the argument you and Chris me and Chris it wasn't a heated argument but he said he was happy that he got the kid and I said no not women and children Quinn goes on to chillingly state that Stephen wanted to get Chris into killing by committing such an act unfortunately the disturbing plan seemed to have worked do you mean Chris were just going back and forth about just having a rush did they say anything more specifically about what they had done it was halfway down the dirt road that's when Chris said he was happy he got the girl Stevie was making the machete joke he was he was making a joke about oh she woke up to get hacked to death by a machete Chris and Stevie were just very jovial in a rush I was agreeing going along with it because I was just in the house and one of my friends and a new acquaintance just killed people and I wasn't about to you disagree with anything Billy said something about uh being put in the newspaper and Stevie said something he said yeah we're going to be in the paper but not us according to Quinn Billy had wanted to be in the newspaper ever since he was a child and given his crime it seemed that it didn't matter how Sunday night the four criminals along with Eldon had been visiting at Quinn's house when the hangout suddenly turned volatile Stephen worried about Eldon's knowledge of the homicide wished to dispose of the loose end unsurprisingly Christopher was on board to commit yet another murder but thankfully Quinn stepped between the three and pleaded for Eldon's life he assured his accomplices that not a word would be spoken of the incident ultimately ending the confrontation Billy apparently either his friend or his friend you see the when Steve's cleanser was like Billy Billy's sister or something like that one of his friend's sisters Goes to School the same place that the little girl did and so it's all around the school and so we got on the online Telegraph putting my mom's computer yeah and looked at it and found out the girl had survived there wasn't a lot on there but they gave me a really hard time they were like wow Chris you couldn't even kill a 10 year old he gave me a really hard time who's they Steve and Otto Steve was like at least I killed my Christopher says this almost as if he wants the investigators to feel bad for him rather than focusing on the fact that they just murdered a mother and brutally assaulted her child presenting Stephen in this way may be helpful to Christopher's case although Stephen Mayer may not have said this it's in Christopher's best interest to displace Stephen as the more unimpathetic and violent criminal that way Christopher believes he looks like a bit of a victim compared to his monster of a friend on top of this the other three apparently referred to Christopher as a murder virgin as he was unable to complete The Thrill Kill I'm surprised she's alive I'm not sure I kind of wish she died for her sake just because she's gonna have to live with all that damn family if I'm gonna kill someone I'm gonna actually do it so that they don't have to sit and live with a bunch of trauma I've been through so much trauma I know when someone would go through that so if I can just end it for them and I would this bizarre claim may all be a front Christopher may feel a sense of failure because Jaime lived he doesn't want to be viewed as weak So He suggests that he's only disappointed for her sake when in actuality it likely has everything to do with him and nothing to do with her at the same time Christopher is once again presenting himself as a victim however this couldn't be further from the truth following the chilling confessions Billy had supposedly discussed with his dad the idea of selling his story to various media Outlets another indication of how heartless he was in the end Billy and Quinn were given plea deals for testifying against Christopher and Stephen Billy pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit murder burglary in first degree assault and sentenced to 30 to 60 years behind bars in comparison Quinn pleaded guilty to burglary robbery and conspiracy to commit burglary receiving a sentence of 20 to 40 years Autumn was eventually sentenced to a minimum of five years for hindering apprehension and conspiracy to hinder apprehension in an unsuccessful attempt to avoid a first-degree murder charge Christopher pleaded Not Guilty by reason of insanity the idea he'd been insane was quickly denied by the court psychiatrist stating that he was well aware of his behavior and actively chose to commit such a horrendous crime during his trial Stephen appeared to not take the proceeding seriously when he made a shocking and unusual request to his attorney um there are a few different reasons behind this kind of behavior one possibility is that Stephen could be trying to manipulate the situation and gain sympathy from the jury by reminding them that it's his birthday he might hope that the jury will feel more inclined to be lenient in their sentencing or view him as more human and relatable another possibility is that he is simply trying to exert control over the situation by asking about his birthday and the possibility of the jury singing he's taking an active role in the proceedings and potentially even trying to dictate the mood or tone of the courtroom it's also possible that he's simply trying to assert some kind of dominance and show that he is unfazed by the gravity of the situation regardless of the specific motivation it's clear that this kind of behavior is concerning and indicative of a serious lack of empathy or remorse and shows that he's completely out of touch with the situation and why he's sitting there in the first place in contrast Christopher allegedly stated that if given the chance nothing could prevent him from killing again both Stephen and Christopher were eventually convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without parole although in 2012 the United States Supreme Court ruled against sentencing miners to life without receiving any chance of parole but shockingly Stephen filed a motion not to appeal his conviction and the New Hampshire Supreme Court granted it Stephen's rationale behind the decision being that he is the most sick and twisted person you'll ever meet and should never be given a second chance we reached out to speak with Stephen but he declined to comment on the case William Marx and Quinn Glover who stood by and did absolutely nothing while Kimberly and Jaime were attacked are likely to be paroled in the coming years Quinn was granted parole on his robbery charge and will likely be released in 2029. William will be eligible for parole in 2024. Autumn Savoy was already released on parole in 2015.

Channel: EXPLORE WITH US

Views: 10,068,584

Keywords: documentary, true crime documentary, educational, psychology, law, analysis

Id: x4_j-PofxaI

Length: 90min 38sec (5438 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 21 2023