What We Were Like In High School - SimplyPodLogical #17

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what we talked about from business legal perspective and things like that right it's a complex hollow is complex that sylars blocking my face Seiler sit down there we go okay so today's episode is about high school so we know this is a time of year where a lot of people would be celebrating the end of the school year a lot of people should be feeling like they're graduating high school right now and yeah it's obviously we feel for people who are going through it's it's it's a weird time to be graduating right yeah so I know YouTube just had their class of 2020 thing which I thought was a really smart and nice thing to do nice gesture yeah but we thought it would be a good time to you know talk about our high school experience or take audience questions as well about just advice or whatever whatever questions you guys have about high school I think you'll find that Christine and I have probably pretty different answers because we had very different high school experience which is a good thing because then we kind of balance it out yeah hopefully I mean we both went to high school in Ontario I went to high school here in Ottawa at Lisgar Collegiate Institute right in downtown Ottawa and I went to French Immersion High School in Richmond Hill Ontario which is a suburb just north of Toronto and I look back fondly on high school I had a good friend group I have good memories of high school and I'm even friends with some people I went to high school with and I think Christine didn't quite have the same experience I'm glad I'm out of high school I'm also glad but I I don't look back fondly and I don't also just want to be completely negative this entire episode because I don't want to discourage people who are currently not having a good time in high school but I also think it's okay to recognize that sometimes like life experiences are bad and then they get better so if anything I'm an example of someone who didn't have a good time you turn high school and things got better Ben had a good time during high school and things are still good things are worse now I'm just kidding but we just happen to have very opposite experiences so that's why we also thought this would be an in sing podcasts for you guys yeah and maybe we should say right up front you know I think you don't have to share the intimate details about why high school was a really hard time for you you like you don't owe that to anyone if you don't want to talk about it but at the same time I know there's probably a lot of young girls in particular listening to this who are probably really hate high school for maybe a lot of the same reasons you did and even without getting specifically into like the worst aspects of high school for you just for them to see how like accomplished you are as a young woman knowing that you also hated life in high school yeah might mean a lot to those people in terms of seeing like theirs on the other side of this I can have good outcomes even if my life kind of sucks right now yeah and another reason why I'm doing this is not for my own therapy cuz I'm actually like I'm kind of over it I don't care to discuss the awful things that I feel like that I went through in high school it's not fun for me to I've never really talked about it and I don't want to go into much detail because it's not helpful to me like I'm a totally different person now and I'm happy about that but I also recognize like what bender said that if some of you guys out there are struggling maybe in some way it does help to see someone that you look up to or appreciate you know I'm just an entertainer online but I know what you a lot of you guys like you know like to hear my opinions and perspectives on things too to hear that yeah like [ __ ] was tough for me too but I got out of it so mm-hmm you're good let's just get right into the questions then because there were a lot this is a test this is our first high school test it's pop quiz ten years all right first question from Ally's on Twitter Ohio Lee's you brought her up on stage if you're doing well I'm going into high school in the fall and I don't know anyone going to my school any advice for someone starting someplace new so I thought this was a good first question because yeah it's do you remember what that feeling was of like okay I'm going Jerry yeah and I think I had a couple friends in common who are the same friends coming from elementary school and we had like planned out our outfits and it was all about what you were gonna wear oh yeah yeah was the focus I don't remember worrying about that but I mostly it was mostly new people when I went to high school because it was so many more people then yeah that's most people yeah I think in Canada it's probably more common a lot of people go to like a grade seven eight only school or they also call that middle school no school I guess so yeah I also went from like a much smaller school until all of a sudden high school feels very big yeah scary I have to admit I also had like a pretty big friend group that went from grade eight into the same high school as me so I can't say I can relate to feeling like I'm brand new all the way back in grade school like I had lived in Australia a bit as a kid and then I came back to Canada and all of a sudden in like grade six I guess I was all of a sudden the new kid in class who didn't have any friends I think one like practic I like practical advice so I just yeah personality bug eyes I think for me what helped a lot was even though I did have a couple friends high school is a completely new experience in terms of where your classes what time do you have to go to this and your you have to be more responsible all the sudden for knowing where to go and when and the building is larger and everything is so confusing and that's a lot harder to do when you don't have friends to kind of just like rely on and figure it out so one thing you can do on your own is plan for where are you going how do you get to where you go maybe go to school early scope out the classes look at your timetable and kind of see what you have to do that day and how you're gonna get there and personally I find familiarizing myself with where classrooms are and knowing where I got to be on time helps calm me down and prepare me so that I'm not like freaking out last minute about where do I go because that's that's just a huge stress off the bat so planning in advance and kind of mentally preparing I think even on your own is helpful I mean if you're lucky you'll just make friends by virtue of the fact that you're in class with people with similar interests and values to you there's other people there sitting there early in class just like you but there's like no guarantee of that either right I would say when I look back on high school the best friends I had were people who I did stuff with not in class but like extracurricular type activities right like some of my best friends were the guys I played volleyball with on the volleyball team or the people I played in the senior jazz band with you know so how did you get to know them well in a lot of cases it's from signing up to do those activities right getting involved yeah so like get involved in the things you're interested in maybe it's theater and all of a sudden you'll be in the sort of theater group of kids those kids are always fun if there's like YouTube clubs now yeah just hang out with all these kids who want to be you Peter clubs but maybe there's like YouTube and social yeah this is a good point our high school we graduated high school in two thousand five six something like feels like a long time ago and in some ways it is right cuz I wonder how different high school is now compared to what it was for us and we this might just come up naturally in our conversation but I saw a reddit thread not long ago where like someone was just asking like high school kids today how do you think high school is different than it was for people 1020 years ago and I saw an answer that really stuck out to me about how things are less clicky maybe that's not true across the board but I think the answer is intimating that so much of people's social lives is lived online now and it very much changed as this sort of social hierarchy you actually see in person within a school I don't know if that's true or not I'd love to hear comments from people today who are in high school and like how how is it different I guess they wouldn't know what it was like for us but yeah like it's the popular group in part largely determined by their followings on social media maybe maybe your that that didn't exist when we were so I guess a way of asking is like when you watch old movies about high school how crazy do they look like what do you have a favorite high school movie or is there I mean like they're all kind of trash she I don't want to say like my favorite but but is there a high school movie that you think kind of captures the spirit of what high school was like for us I can only think of bad ones dartz went to me super bed is like yeah it's American and not everything is accurate but when I saw that when I think it was came out towards the end of us being in high school I actually sort of recognized it kind of captured the spirit of what it was like to be in high school so if you want to do your research on what high school is like with no social media watch super buddy there you go all right good luck in high school Alysse keep your head up next question were you part of any high school type clicks or clicks goth emo nerdy jock etc simply on my own you were really a loner in high school I mean that's not completely true I had small friend groups um I was really into like Avril Lavigne's so if you want to go by style if you want to classify people by style which was a huge thing at the time like just how you interest and what music you listen to I went through an Avril Lavigne phase where I would wear like hot pink in black or like mesh maybe or zippers on my pants dijanna tides do you ever wear ties not really I didn't get into ties but I wore like giant cargo pants with chains all over I mean yeah yeah that was like the opposite of what all the popular pretty euros wore so did you hang out with other people that dress that way you know not really I think I was the most like punkish probably not the best word because I wasn't really that but I just really loved that kind of angsty style even though that attitude wasn't reflected in my behavior I wasn't really a repellent like I wasn't rebelling I wasn't doing much to rebel but I did like that style of dress yeah and I guess for me I was kind of all over the place like I played sports so I was friends with some of those guys but I was also in the band so his friend with band geeks and I was friends with some skaters I was kind of all over the place I don't think I and it's almost a little weird looking back that I because I sort of jumped around between these friend groups it's hard to say I just had like what a super one tight circle of friends so I I jumped around too though and my style changed when like my friends kind of changed too so there was some phase where I was way more skater wearing like DC giant skater shoes and then other phases where I was wearing more high heels so like it totally evolves to I would say it's kind of normal to ride high school is a time where you are trying to figure out who you are as a person it's a very confusing time in a lot of ways yeah so when we were in high school were between the ages of 13 and 17 right just for context Tina baby high school is different in some areas of the world they don't know if it actually explains a good point so for us it's like the last four years of school before you go on to post-secondary education so grade 9 to 12 that's ages 13 to 17 or 18 like I was 18 before I graduated which means I could legally drink in Quebec well school was still going on which was kind of a I was 17 and not all right next question were you ever bullied in high school or did either of you ever even participate in bullying as a result of peer pressure bullying back then was of course limited to like play girl was playground bully like real life there wasn't really online social media we had MSN Messenger but that was just like between a few friends maybe there was a group chat but like that's not my memory of anyone bullying each other it was real-life things so I mentioned on this podcast before that I was in a situation where another girl was being encouraged to fight me and she slapped me in the face and I did nothing I won't retell the story but but basically all the people around her thinking back were participating in bullying by proxy by just kind of encouraging her to do that and I would today call that bullying I don't think at the time we really thought of things that way especially when you're in the moment and everything you know is out of height I don't recall ever bullying others but I also wasn't someone who was constantly are persistently bullied like that's just one moment that really sticks out to me but I also wasn't the victim of ongoing bullying either okay and yet I I wasn't bullied in high school I I was often friends with like people in the grades above me for some reason which I think sort of helped avoid that because like sometimes when you go to high school it's like the older kids will sort of pick on the fresh new class of younger people which is kind of sucks and hopefully that's not really the case anymore it used to be like almost like a bit of like a hazing ritual initiation yeah which is just so stupid like it's 16 year olds like being mean to 13 year olds who are nervous about being somewhere for the first time like it's super lame it's immaturity and I guess like that's the easiest way to rationalize it not that it is right and anyone should do it but when I explained these things later on to myself like why they occurred to me a lot of it just comes out to immaturity and you hope that most of these kids grow out of that and become yeah better adults and you think most people do and then just some people just say [ __ ] either hold my people don't but most people do yeah all right next question how is the Canadian education system versus the American education system do you guys learn about taxes because most of us don't so I don't think we can really comment on the differences between the Canadian and American but there were a lot of questions in with this theme of like did you guys learn this practical thing in high school because I don't and yeah we can't say the differences between different regions and countries and curriculums and stuff like that but I think we should comment a comment on this idea of like why don't we learn more practical things in high school right for the record I never learned about taxes on high school neither did I there's a lot of practical things I didn't learn in high school and so part of me really understands the criticism like why am I not learning about like what it means to pay a mortgage or buy a car or pay my taxes at the same time like part of me thinks do you want like an underpaid overly stressed teacher having to take on all of those life lessons or in a perfect world when you hope that someone's parent or guardian is actually kind of but not all responsible for teaching their kids but I think the counter-argument is well there unfortunately are a lot of parents who are not taking on that responsibility and are not willing to teach they may not be knowledgeable in those either so then it's that it comes out the cost of those kids who wouldn't be learning those things so where can those kids get that knowledge it's school but nobody here's the beautiful thing right the Internet is a thing now if you feel like there are practical things in life you're not learning but how do you know that there must be resources online at this point of like I'm sure someone has put together a list of like a YouTube video UNTAC very useful things for like hey are you towards the end of high school but you figured out you don't feel like you've learned some very practical stuff about like having a budget or you know knowing like what you have to do with like self-employment income like the Internet is a beautiful thing for those resources and maybe someone down below in the comments on YouTube could even like make some point just to suggestions if there are some like really core useful that's that's an incredibly good point that like I totally take for granted now because growing up there of course we didn't learn about taxes or mortgages and like eventually it's like something I asked my dad I'm like how does this work I'm trying to buy a house right but later on in life we could just Google these things but when we were growing up we didn't have the option we'd like ask a teacher or a parent and that was the answer you got well no the Maronites but it wasn't that okay make a sound so old there was internet guys but it doesn't the amount of knowledge and the accessibility and the like the ease of reading it it doesn't it didn't exist that as it does today I think just how computer and Internet literate people are are chilled young people are today compared to us yes huge leader and that's why your average sixteen year old today is so much more knowledgeable than I think we were when we were in high school just because you have this phrase you have the the tools yeah these are online tools available to them although I've seen some very interesting articles about whether the internet necessarily teaches people knowledge they retain verses is a tool that they are just constantly able to draw from do you know what I mean there's a distinction there right like if you have to look something up on the internet and you immediately get an answer it's kind of like when autocorrect corrects your spelling did you just learn how to spell the word properly or did it just give you the answer and you just know that you can use it and like a calculator are you getting better at math in your head no you're just able to use the calculator as a tool in some ways the internet is also just a tool and you're not necessarily learning or retaining relying you're just relying the answers for you I mean we do that with like Microsoft Excel I mean I do that with the internet yeah but it's just an interesting distinction in point all right but actually you know one last point on this idea of like I don't learn practical things in school yeah like I can think of a lot of things we learned in high school that I'm not using in my daily life post 10 you had like certainly things like you know a tree and stuff like that but I still remember it why you really don't need to but I think I think it should be said and this is often missed by like youtubers who talk about like why did I learn such useless things in high school just going through the process of learning complicated concepts even if you're not going to use them in your daily life is a lot of the point and you know if you are going into a field or a university program that requires you to have some background knowledge of math or science it's a good thing you did learn at least the basics of that and you're gonna need it even though like I wanted to go into pharmacy just like a quick sidenote and I thought pharmacy was just chemistry basically and medicine uh I found out it was a lot of calculus and algebra which I hated and didn't pay tension - in high school so what didn't I it wasn't feasible for me to pursue that so it it unfortunately I did need to know sign codes - like all these other algebraic equation you had gone it if I gone into which is one reason why I switched career paths well you're happy with how things turned okay that's kind of strange to think like how yeah just not liking math completely changed yeah but I think Ben's point is right there of course there's things that you're learning in high school that you're never gonna use again and I think teachers know this and maybe the curriculum isn't perfect we're not saying the curriculum was perfect and I don't even know what the curriculum looks like today honestly and when I was learning the one delivered to us it definitely wasn't perfect I thought [ __ ] [ __ ] was dumb too but there is something to be said that at a young age like a growing brain the more things you learn and retain it just improves your ability to learn things in the future it's like the more languages you speak so there's some correlation between that and just aptitude for learning in general yeah so the more you can learn even if it's about stuff that's not going to matter you're still building your brain capacity and in a way and learning how to become a thinker and hey that's great if you're a critical thinker and thinking about how certain concepts don't apply in real life mmm good you know challenge them I mean don't yell at your teacher but a challenge too much all right next question on a scale of one to ten how emo was the emo phase of simply because I have a couple pictures of me looking like you've talked about how you went through needy you literally just talked about the cargo pants and chains and that's right I mean yeah the definition of emo is kind of up in the air to me and I'm not sure if that definition has changed I wasn't wearing like like there's emo and then there's gothic which I wasn't in high school at least the definition at the time I didn't wear much makeup I think you over did this question mostly a joke just like one today you know okay on a scale of one to ten I was a sock okay that's a game Oh sock but in cargo pants with chains alright from Amber's past which teachers did you have crushes on amber this question wait why is she funny I think a lot of people can relate to like there was that teacher in high school like Ms McKinnon grade a grade 11 chemistry teacher all the boys had a crush on her if she's watching this hi oh yeah of course I know that's it's weird but like come on it's yeah I remember mr. green was our science teacher in grade 10 and all the girls loved him I thought it was ridiculous the way they would like talk I was like you guys are so dumb he's so old yeah he wasn't even 5 even if he was interested in them that would just be super weird and creepy and inappropriate yeah nothing weird ever happened but I do remember the girls talking about like oh I have class mr. green you know so there are always like some teachers though or like a learning teacher what did they call it when like someone who's doing like a placement sometimes you would see teachers that were maybe a little too friendly with students and that always struck me as strange not that I'm in their job they just started their new job so of course they want to be liked and respected that's probably really hard actually for new teachers to teach high school students because then they have all these kids that are not that far in age from them and they need to come off like an intelligent respected teacher and that's a huge challenge so hats off honest actually yes who teach high school kids yeah you're totally right I have a lot of respect and admiration for people who choose to be high school that's not an easy job they should be paid more absolutely high school all teachers but high school teachers weren't - yeah really what is your most embarrassing high school moment what do you think was it getting you already talked about like I'm trying to think do I have a funnier kind of embarrassing unless yeah depressing one not really I could give you what you can think about it while I tell mine I remember in the last year high school I can only laugh about this now because like I didn't get seriously hurt but you know in the last year high school everyone has their licenses people drive to school park in the school parking lot and I remember a friend of mine was leaving the parking lot and like to just sort of show off and be a little jokester I like jumped on the hood of her car as she was leaving the parking lot it was funny and like it's in front of all these people it's at the end of the school day and she's not going that fast but I guess she she braked pretty quickly without me like anticipating it and I just went flying off the front of the car in front of like all these people and I really I really hurt my wrist actually and that night we had a had like a jazz drumming performance we had like some recital at the high school and I just remember like my wrist was like shaking like I could barely hold on to a drumstick and like the whole school knew this and they were like watching me like play through the pain it was a super surreal moment but that was I guess embarrassing but yeah what lesson did you learn you don't jump on moving cards ya don't ya don't think this is like a cool thing to do I'm embarrassed by it now but if you've seen that movie whiplash you have an a when I watch that movie they're like it really vividly brought back those memories of high school for me not that I had a music teacher who was insane and throwing things at my head but otherwise that that's a really good movie you should watch whiplash yes okay you have anything to add there Christine okay if you could give advice to your high school self what would it be it's gonna be over one day it's all gonna be over don't worry you know what you're putting that's a pretty sad spin on it but I actually have something similar to say I think it's when you're in high school everything kind of feels like it's the end of the world and it makes sense because like those four years of your life when you're when you've only been alive earth like 13 14 15 years it's like it's a huge part of your life and I'm not saying it's not important but it's really important to keep perspective on the fact that one day the things that happened to you in high school and who you are in high school does not have to who you are I think the other point just adding to that is generally where you go to high school isn't your choice like you're kind of just put in a high school it's where you live and this is where your parents tell you to go and and these are just the people and your friends circle you don't really have much freedom and so that definitely impacts like your your experience like maybe you just luck out and you have a great time there's great people but maybe you don't and you don't really have the choice to move anywhere and you you will get those choices one day and maybe that's something to remember that like yes you are you are stuck and it might be awful but you will find that freedom yeah and make your own life path and if high school wasn't a terrible or isn't a terrible experience for you enjoy it while you can because you never are going to be able to sort of recapture that like it's it's a one-in-a-lifetime kind of thing hopefully you come out of high school with nice memories and friends that were sort of always feel a little bit like family or people helped shape you into who you are any advice on part-time jobs or seasonal work during high school yeah milk boy yeah so we talked about this on our jobs podcast I worked at a grocery store during high school and Christine worked at Shoppers Drug Mart cashier and then a cosmetician yeah so we both did work during high school my advice would be it's a really I appreciate that I had that experience I think it helped me as a person and it was nice to have money in high school - neither of us worked because we had to to support our family so I just want to add that caveat that we weren't really doing it out of necessity I was encouraged to work though my family encouraged me to work they wanted me to understand what it was like to make my own money and to start my own savings so yeah and it's a good way of learning the value of money when you start making it yourself at that age and then you learn how to budget on your own I would say if you don't have to work though you want to make sure it's not to the detriment of you doing well in school and I actually stopped working towards the end of I can't remember the time period exactly but like I didn't want my grades to suffer and it to affect my ability to get an entry scholarship because I was making 12 bucks an hour putting milk on a shelf right yeah and that's a hard balance to find I think for kids because we always hear this pressure like you got to keep your grades up if you want to go to university or college and it's hard to know exactly where that tipping point is like okay well if I work 12 hours a week will I be able to keep my grades up just enough so that I can get in so it's kind of one of those things you have to you have to be honest with yourself with how you're doing and how you're feeling about things and make the decisions that are right for you I would strongly encourage people who like to get a job or maybe if you don't need the money at least like a volunteering type opportunity in the summer just to give yourself some experiences I volunteered in high school is actually part of our curriculum requirements what's right for Ontario you had to have volunteer hours what is a week for sorry I think it was a total of 40 hours over the course like all of high school it was a very low threshold when you're 13 this was in the last year high school or something no no to graduate from high school you needed documentation that you did like 20 hours of community service or volunteering at all yeah it was a low thrust I don't remember the amount but I remember doing it because I volunteered at the one of the retirement homes that my grandfather was in oh that's where I volunteered yeah I can't remember where I volunteered I think I left it to like the last week of high school you don't remember what he did I think I did something I think I had done something and I just had to find that person to sign off on it it was like I'm right before yeah next question how did you treat your parents when you're a teenager why isn't the question how did your parents treat you yeah well maybe that's the question will answer my my parents were a little overbearing I would say because I had I two older siblings and usually that means they sort of kicked down doors for you and they care a little less by the time the younger child is doing things but I kind of blame my older brother and sister for being so well-behaved and never screwing up and never getting into trouble that by the time I got to high school even though I was a good kid and doing well in school the fact that I was the one who was like staying out late and going to some high school parties and you know drinking a little bit in high school like that seemed like a huge deal to them because my older brother and sister didn't do any of that yeah so I was the older kid so my parents were far more overbearing with me in my opinion than my sister for sure she was allowed out way more without caring but at the same time my sister and I we were very good kids compared to other people I went to high school with so I always felt like I was wrongly judged and punished or grounded for things that really didn't mean to be done like it's like sometimes I just think some parents especially when it's their first kid they want to teach a lesson to their kid just to like you're in high school you did something kind of wrong but like it's honestly not that bad but we're gonna punish you anyways and here's your consequence I don't handle punishments and consequences very well when they don't make sense and when you're not gonna learn anything from it I was a smartass and I'll just tell this story because you've probably would have been so hard to pare it probably but I was a good kid so that was my argument I always got good grades I didn't do hard drugs like I wasn't doing anything wrong in my defense so I remember this so I went to my I think I was like I must have been 16 because I had a car I had a license and I can drive on my own so I was sixteen I was at a boyfriend house at the time I swear to God fell asleep watching a movie it was the weekend I fell asleep I failed to answer my phone yeah I wake up at 2:00 or something in the morning and realize like [ __ ] like because I was supposed to call at least or like go home I'm clearly not drinking because I'm driving I hadn't drank like nothing's going on 16 I'm 16 I'm 16 I Drive right home and my mom is there really upset with me yeah because I fell asleep and failed the collar that was obviously wrong I was hurt she didn't know where her mother wasn't but I hit but I explained and clearly everything was fine like I mean I wasn't doing anything wrong and I wasn't out partying and drinking which is which was the fear I think I think she thought like I just went out and partied okay which I was not doing so I came home like obviously apologized begrudgingly and then later I find out that my my punishment is her taking my car keys away but I used that car to drive myself my sister and our family's friends kids to school every day because we lived 45 minutes from our school because it was the only French Immersion in the region and our parents didn't really drive to school and there was no public transit that may be your punishment is you punishment was like we're not giving you any reasonable way to go to school neither your sister or their friends so I just made the executive decision there like this makes this punishment actually makes no sense so on Monday I took the spare keys and drove everyone to school and I said later I'm like think of a better punishment makes no sense so I obviously was wrong and irresponsible by falling asleep and failing to call but at the time I'm just like this is so dumb I literally like I do I'm not doing the bad things that parents are just thinking of like she was projecting what I guess her friend's kids were doing bad because other kids were doing bad things mm-hmm I was I wasn't and I felt like it like I was just like I'm have to parent my parents so I was a smartass but I just think of that story is funny because the one time I got grounded and punished it like it made no sense well they didn't have experience punishing you since you were so they were such a goody two-shoes right I wasn't a goody two-shoes I just I wanted some freedom to live my life to and like be able to go to my boy you know what's that is a hard balance for parents in a lot of ways a lot of ways children are kind of teaching their parents as they go as well yeah so yeah I think it's hard to know you know it's not easy parenting children and knowing that balance between being responsible and there and a disciplinary voice but also especially for a teenager just like knowing those boundaries you have to give them like I don't want to say who but like know of someone who doesn't let their teenage kid like have their cell phone without supervision and to me that is just like bordering on I don't want to be hyperbolic but like I think that is a really terrible thing to do to your kids to not give them that sort of the opposite of harm reduction by holding back all these things that all their friends have what do you think they're gonna do they're just gonna go on their friends phone and then they're gonna rebel and do something maybe force yeah but it's a tough balance and we like a little more not we're not perfect so I don't know so I'm only speaking from the perspective of having been parented alright maybe just to just to close that off it's hard I know your parents maybe maybe they're tough on you maybe you hate them but they're trying to do their best presumably and they want to and they hopefully want the best for you so sometimes you just gotta you know suck it up a little and like try and see where they're coming from all right on the same theme what is the worst thing you did in high school that your parents likely don't know about don't know oh oh I have one okay you first what if my parents watched this do they watch it I don't think oh okay so I did something I don't care I don't care about telling the story because I think it teaches a lesson a lesson however obviously I'm not encouraging changes I was incredibly stupid when I was fifteen I mean like we all look back thinking that we made stupidness it was some stupid of course he did but for some dumb reason that makes no sense I thought it would be fun to get addicted to cigarettes I don't know why and I thought so you did go through a rebellious phase yes except I wasn't doing it to piss off my parents because I never told them and I didn't even do it with friends smoking was like a social activity at the time like just smoking cigarettes and I was wouldn't even do it with friends I literally bought a pack off my friend and then took it by myself by myself to the and was doing an experiment to see how many cigarettes do I need to smoke to feel like I'm addicted there was like some weird scientist in me Christina science Queen just wanted to know how many to get addicted because I was always told that like oh don't take one cigarette you're gonna get addicted so I was trying to prove maybe that I wouldn't because intelligence so I did it and I got so sick of smoking by myself four in a row that I literally like I wanted to throw up and I know it's gross and I never smoked again so good good yeah Wow you okay so you were kind of a rebellious in like a I'm gonna prove people wrong and do bad things yeah except I didn't tell anyone this I did it in secret which also doesn't make sense unless he's really said I mean gets sad when I hear about their high school simply not logical like what was I doing yeah just PSA smoking is gross and arable for you it is don't you need to really say it it was so disgusting that I couldn't even and I was trying to like it and I didn't cuz it was that disgusting okay I mean you shared something bad you did so maybe I will too and again I'm not saying this in let's get you in trouble if I laugh at this now it's just because it's many years later and I you know I do feel bad about it but when it was towards the end of high school my parents kind of know about this cuz we got caught but our school did like I think they called it a car rally he was basically a scavenger hunt and it's just like you know it's almost the end of the year let's do something crazy graduating class kind of prank kind of thing so there were like things like you had to check off this list and do and some of them were like get a picture of you with a cop or get a picture of you swimming in the canal which is like a really gross like man-made River in the middle of Ottawa that like you wouldn't want to be in so there were some like more innocuous things on the list and I stucked those in the group of friends who I did it with but there were a few things on that list that were illegal like like one of them was our high school is right beside City Hall and it was around the time of tulip festival I guess which is a thing in Ottawa and there were just a bunch of like like artists had like drawn tulips or like they were like these ceramic tulip sculptures and I think I think people just thought it was like some nothing like art installation and didn't think too much about it but one of the things on the list was take one of those tulips and a few people did and the next day or like two days later we opened the newspaper and there's an article saying like mastermind thieves steal tulips that were like to be auctioned off for charity and all of us were like like [ __ ] yeah so I I did not take a tulip wait your parents don't know about this so they know they don't really know what happened but they know I got in trouble and like we literally me and everyone involved in it ended up having to do like volunteering at like I had to volunteer at like I guess it's almost community service not that it was handled by like police or anything like that but like I had to help out at a tulip festival to like made a reparations for it well they just remember opening the paper and being like described like our group masterminds we would way of dealing with justice you had to help out at the next tulip festival for your actions yeah so just to be clear I'm not admitting to doing anything illegal and I didn't but yeah that was a pretty terrible thing yeah kids do stupid things yeah and you're gonna do dumb stuff in high school hopefully not that dumb yeah like the stories we just shared I try not to beat myself up you know for the things I did when I was young because I think in hindsight I absolutely learned good lessons from it and I can kind of rationalize my behavior by my lack of maturity at the time and I imagine you can do the same yeah and we're not telling these stories - like glorify them or make light of them you know there there are human experiences that I think a lot of people have as young people yeah and hopefully you've learned from them yeah and become next question what were your best subjects in school mmm I loved chemistry and biology science yeah okay I don't know I didn't really like I I did well in school and I was the kind of person who could do well without trying too hard so is the question like what subjects we enjoyed or just like where to be good where do we get over here your best so I think that means what did you do well in I don't I don't remember I was kind of pretty good at everything I enjoyed music but you know that's not really good I still remember the first 20 elements of the periodic table well like the acronym for them oh yeah prove it it's like her hello Knopf no Namgyal sips klarka and if you spell those out it's the beginning of each of the elements for them first twenty anyway knowledge that I had but I don't mean alright next one do you think high school shaped you as a person I don't know I get a lot of high school shapes you as a person talks from my family and I'm curious if that's true for you one thing okay so I did absolutely find it frustrating when I was a young person and my family and just like older people would be like no high school shapes you as a person and just like what voice is that I don't know old person voice like I just it gets annoying I think when you're a young person to hear older people tell you these things like oh your life is gonna change forever you're being shaped so much by your peers and you just kind of roll your eyes and cuz you're just living your life and you don't want to be told these things that like don't mean much to you so I do find it frustrating to hear that comment from older family members so I wonder if that's where she's coming from I mean I don't know it it shapes you in the way that like these are your formative years of you growing up from adolescence into a young adult so yeah those are those are years where you're sort of figuring out who you are and yeah the people in your life and the you do are gonna shape who you are it's kind of hard to say though like specific ways in which that is the case right like there's a lot of things about our childhood that shapes us into the adults we are can we really point to specific things without a lot of expensive therapy I don't know yeah I guess socialization no matter where you are whether it's at high school or your parents at home or the siblings you deal with all of these things are going to shape your life outlook your personality how you you the world in a lot of ways that you'll never really consciously be aware of yeah yeah did you wear holo to your prom I at the time hadn't really discover it all though oh that's why you didn't enjoy high school yeah it was awful the hollowly school I show some pictures of my prom house that I do not recognize myself when I look at my prom pictures I don't recognize like that person I don't even really remember going to problem really yeah I was kind of just I think I'd mentally blocked it all out of my head so it's very strange for me to look at my pictures I have this I had a big red dress that was like from BCBG which is something whatever floofy company now it's like red chiffon like tube dress that all the girls would wear my hair was bleached blonde and I was bringing like hot red lipstick and I did my own hair and makeup well all the other girls went to a place to get it done and you could tell that I did makeup like it it wasn't the style at the time I didn't have like some fancy updo so yeah I wore red I were a clunky watch like it just it wasn't a good look and and I had an awful time I like I don't remember that much about my prom cuz I feel like it gets built up in pop culture's like this hugely important like best night of our lives like let's get laid kind of like it's hard to live up to that expectation when you see that in movies I just don't think that's actually how prom is for most people it's like hopefully it's a bit of a celebration you get to like you know have a good time with people that you might not see anytime soon if you don't continue to be friends after high school this year there's no problems yeah there's virtually said yeah zum prom isn't quite the same is it but I don't know get prom gets built up to this big thing right I guess maybe it is for some people and they really look forward to it and have that dress picked out that they want to wear for years oh yeah I think for a lot of young women it is a huge deal like there was always conversations about have you picked it was almost as important as like a wedding dress as people treated it the way I grew up people were spending a thousand dollars on their prom dress that's not the culture I was in it was for me okay next question had you and Ben met in high school would you have gotten along would you fancy me well I was pretty much friends with everyone and Christine had no friends so that might have actually worked but I wouldn't have been your friend if I was friends and no one would you have been nice I don't know yeah I think so although maybe you're too cool maybe I wouldn't have noticed you if you were just you know hiding in the bathroom stall eating lunch alone you know I think you've said that before yeah many ways it's wrong yeah it's weird thinking about as an adult to think about your significant other as a child or a teenager it's a strange thing when you see the pictures of me from high school it makes me kind of sad just knowing that you were someone happy at that time yeah but I'm I'm glad like I'm glad that this is how my life worked out because I'm I don't want to know you when I was younger when I was a different person we met at the perfect point we met at the right time yeah yeah even if we had met in high on in like undergrad or something I I think we had very different lifestyles than two and it probably wouldn't have worked out so yeah so here we are we got lucky I got lucky next question did you experience or see any racism homophobia or general discrimination where you went to high school so to situate this yeah we graduated high school in 2006 I'm want to say and my guess is that the sort of social climate of high school Ben is very different than it is now so like I think the answer is yes and I'll give an example of what I mean because I don't think I saw like a lot of overt people being discriminated against because of their sexual orientation or race but it was very common for boys in my high school to like call each other [ __ ] or use gay slurs against each other to be like you're less of a man and to think back like I do very close male friends in high school who came out of the closet after high school and it really bums me out to think that that sort of culture of guys using that language maybe made them feel like they couldn't come out in high school I mean there's a lot of reasons why people come out when they feel it is right for them maybe it wouldn't have happened anyway but I really hate to think that that sort of culture in that high school made them feel like they couldn't just be who they were yeah I would agree I remember in high school people using the word gay as a negative thing yeah and they would kind of use it synonymously with stupid like that's so gay or let me clear like people weren't actually saying those words against gay LGBTQ nope I didn't inherently but it is inherently homophobic to use that language in that pejorative sentence yes yes but kids at that time this was the language that people used and it is kind of sad that you know I'm glad things have changed and we now recognize that and we hope they have changed I think but it's it is sad thinking back that that was a culture that absolutely affected lgbtq+ people right negatively how could it not so yeah that makes me sad to think back that that was a reality in high school for sure and yeah I think we have reason to think and we really do hope that's not the case anymore in your opinion what's the youngest people should be getting into serious relationship errants there were a lot of school really ship questions so I felt like I had to include one but it's it's something I'm like feel kind of weird about commenting on the romantic lives of teenagers you know what I mean like I don't know I I didn't really date much in high school when was your first girlfriend like the first real girlfriend I had was in undergrad like after high school like I had a girl I was 20 I had a bit of like a high school sweetheart in high school sort of thing and we would hang out at like parties and there's but like you know what I mean it we never really date I dated her after high school strangely enough but I don't know maybe in my high school things were a little different I felt like there weren't a bunch of people having serious relationships so much and I don't know why that is but maybe it's just in retrospect because once you had more serious relationships later on the ones in high school didn't seem as serious yeah maybe it's a lot of like oh they held hands after third period like they held hands in the hall they're dating now like um I wouldn't put a number on when someone is ready to be in a relationship like I've never want to say oh you have to be 16 or you have to be 22 I don't think that's fair and I think everyone moves at their own pace obviously I think it's important to consider the legality yeah first and foremost because that's something that just cannot be argued but aside from that it's about like how do you feel if you feel like you're ready to be in a relationship then that's what matters most and also is the person you want to be in a relationship ready to be in a relationship with you right because you want that mutual respect as well and it's really hard to recognize when someone you really want to be with isn't ready right that's something that's that's tricky too that maybe you learn as you you know go through different relationships I would tell people like you don't need to rush into things or I hope you don't feel pressured like Oh high school is almost over and I haven't been in a relationship like that's not a good reason to like yeah choose to be in a relationship and yet the legality points a good thing live if you're a girl in high school and an older boy is paying attention to you that might seem really flattering when you're the age you are and in retrospect you might realize that that was actually kind of creepy yeah right right yeah okay I kinda feel weird about this question in general it and I think the main point you're right is like it really depends on you yeah but don't feel pressure and don't be afraid to talk to others so maybe you have an older sibling or maybe it's your parent or someone an older family friend that you look up to to ask people questions to help understand like if you're ready because young people I always had tons of questions and didn't really feel like I had anyone to ask whereas my sister who's three years younger than me she had me what kind of ass not that I'm like no one's really an expert in someone else's relationship but it does absolutely help to have someone to talk to so look for people in your life that whose positions or opinions you may respect all right from blah blah blah on Twitter what's your advice for staying focused on school and stopping procrastination I always procrastinate it so I cannot answer this question I am the opposite I am extremely methodical and I always have a plan I think I've given this advice before maybe at the start of quarantine when I was just like tweeting some advice but I've used it my whole life and maybe you have some giant project for high school that's just so overwhelming and there's like four parts you have to do for it and there's like an essay and a presentation and like all this [ __ ] it's gonna take you two months divide that up into smaller pieces and make yourself a schedule a checklist and make it manageable on a day to day basis so maybe you have to start two months in advance once you know the maybe it's not two months that's a little long I'm thinking like university but maybe in high school you have two weeks to do a project so on day one you know that all you gotta write is the intro just the first paragraph that's it and then it's easy because it's just one paragraph it's not like the sixteen you have to write and then on day two and what's next on your schedule is you got to start your your literature review so you start doing that and then you check off those boxes and if you can follow well first you have to make make the schedule but if you can make and follow it I trust me you will learn such good self disciplinary skills and when you're done that project and you're not staying up till 2:00 a.m. to finish it and scrambling and and giving it in like you're unsure that it's good because like I have no idea what I just did you will have spent so much longer working on it so that your mind is fresh you feel better about it you feel proud of it and it ultimately becomes a better work product I think when you take the time to segment it out not only is it a better product but you were maybe more efficient I'm making it you were more effective at it and you were less stressed and that's kind of the goal right you want to manage the stress that is high school that is school work good advice simply so stay focused you got this all right next one what was your favorite teenage angst song oh my god being a teenager is an angsty time for a lot of people so I really like this question I think we can all look back to high school and a lot of like the music your nostalgic about it as an adult is the music that you have memories of in high school and university I think like do goo dolls maybe like I okay from our era like a lot of people like the first emo stuff they think of her angsty is like My Chemical Romance yeah they were really big the used me personally I think Death Cab for Cutie yeah I listen to a lot you know yeah Transatlanticism was a really good album I remember going to see them live too but then like I will follow you into the dark that's probably like the saddest song I would listen to but I listened to all those sad I still do a next question how do you stay out of drama in high school mmm this is tricky because as I was saying before you don't really have a choice on where you can go and migrate within high school you're kind of like stuck so it's harder to actually stay out of drama when you're friends circle is so small and you literally have to go to the same class every day whereas when you're older and you're in a career or workplace maybe you can find ways to move around and people are less similar generally speaking when you're older I I wasn't really into drama in terms of like Stacy's dating Jared's ex or something like but Lucy's said she had a crush on him yeah so you can't date Jared I think it's inevitable sometimes if you have a smaller friend circles to be pulled into this even if you're not the primary cause of drama and it is really hard to navigate to you know because you want you don't want people to be upset with you you don't want people to think you're not on their side you don't want to look like you're not supporting people so it is definitely tricky and I don't necessarily have the best advice to like stay out of drama because I almost think in some cases it's not possible or realistic it's not it's maybe not entirely possible and being in drama quote-unquote is partly just about like learning how to be social cuz in the rest of your life - you're gonna come across shitty people that talk behind people's back good point and you're gonna have to kind of learn to navigate your way and hopefully just avoid people like that for the most part that's how you kind of learn negotiation skills for lack of a better or to make it sound so robotic like how to negotiate with others but just how to balance things so that you know you don't want to make things worse for you or others but it's also generally a social situation under which you have to survive like this is just where you are so I think some people are just gonna get unfairly pulled into this the same way you're gonna get unfairly bullied for no reason but I would like to think that if you kind of if you are a pretty genuine good person who's not talking behind people's backs and stuff like that that should help you not get sucked in to the sort of petty [ __ ] politics of high school and if there is petty [ __ ] that pursues after that just by you being a good person remind yourself that these are immature individuals and that's the I think the best way to rationalize something that just you know awful behavior because it happens what's your favorite high school memory that's I know no you have this negative high school give us something positive simply graduating okay I'll take it even if you don't remember your prom for me it's not being in class it's one of my best friends in high school who I still talk to sometimes was like our class co-president and we would just like go hang out in his basement you know after school days playing like Nintendo 64 and just shooting the [ __ ] and staying up late and eating pizza and I look back like fondly on those memories or like going to a senior jazz band practiced on a Tuesday night and even though I've lost touch with most of those people and it's mostly my fault for not staying in touch with them I do kind of fondly look back on those memories still so that's good and it's important to know that that like most people are gonna have great experiences in high school that they can look back on it it's a mixed bag thing are those parties where everybody drinks alcohol and gets high actually a thing and did you go to them I never really got drunk or high until University okay yeah you're really going to high school party summer I mean there was a couple and there was some drinking and like you know drinking a little bit out of a Mickey but it it wasn't that much compared to University I've I'm not proud of this but I'll say I I think I went to more parties and drank more in like the last year of high school and the summer after high school than any period after that and that is not a good thing I because yeah you're it's not good for you girl well I was 18 so I could legally drinkin hi Becca actually so that's different than the states where the drinking age is 21 you're absolutely not Lea I could legally drink in the last year of high school which probably sounds kind of strange for a lot of people listening to this but yeah it wasn't healthy and for any parents out there maybe listening to this I wonder like I I had parents who like wouldn't have dreamed of letting me drink alcohol if I wasn't an adult and when you saw people like that who treated their kids that way sometimes as soon as they could legally drink they sort of go off the rails and drink too much and get sick and put themselves in unsafe positions so I would encourage I mean we're not parents again we're not really qualified to give parental advice but I think it would have made a big difference in my parents were just like hey like you're 17 you want to have a beer with dinner just to see what that's like and you can taste your first beer with us just like watching you and knowing what it feels like to be a little buzzed sort of thing I think that approach makes a lot of sense in some ways because I really my biggest memory of prom actually going back to the prom question was there were a lot of people there who were clearly having drinks for the first time and I don't think that's what you want your last highschool memory of prom to be of you not knowing what it's like to be drunk and getting drunk and embarrassing yourself so this is interesting because my parents did the opposite of yours so we're kind of an experiment although sample sizes and equals two so my parents were a bit more liberal with alcohol and I'd have like a vodka cranberry or a Ryan coke like all right my dad we'd I was giving you Ryan cokes yeah just just a little like it wasn't really made to be a huge deal yeah I mean okay it wasn't like that young I wasn't a baby but when I was 16 and you know he knew that my friends are come over with a case of beer they give him a beer and then we'd go to the basement and drink the rest of it be like whatever yeah they weren't mad at me if I was consuming an alcoholic beverage they just wanted to make sure like being smart and I was being smart I she didn't get into a car with someone who'd been drinking that was huge and that I wasn't drinking more than I should and I think how else do you learn that other than like drinking a little bit in moderation how the hell do you know you know what's too much and as a young person like you just said it's so easy to just be like I just want to drink at all this is my first time trying this my parents aren't home let's just drink the whole bottle to see if it works and that's not usually good either yeah are you ever the first time I had a beer was like in my buddy's basement and we're all like having a sip of this like a what I don't think it was even in the fridge go warm beer and we are all kind of like pretend we didn't think it was disgusting yeah all right and last question at which point of time in your high school years did you figure out what you wanted to pursue in college or even beyond that and where are you given the freedom to choose whatever career path you wanted at that age I still feel like we were just so young in high school and it's crazy to think that when you're 16 at least in my experience I was 16 when I was applying for early admissions to university which is crazy to be like you're 16 pick which program you want to do for the rest of your life yeah before I ended up applying to university I initially wanted to go to college which is different here in Canada we have College and University University is for more academic studies and colleges often for like applied studies or like skills or a lot of the trades so I wanted to go to college for graphic design which is a more applied field I don't think people know that yeah but I mean it makes sense kind of because I'm a little creative you know mm-hmm colorful that's what I wanted to do I really loved playing with computers and I started video editing for like class projects in grade 10 and it made me so excited and that's what I wanted to do I told my parents and at the time like college made the most sense to go into graphic design but they strongly discouraged me from it and I it wasn't because they didn't want me to be happy I don't want to leave that impression they did they wanted me to do what I wanted but they were trying to remind I see it like now and I appreciate and I'm happy with the path I did take but they were trying to tell me like Christine clearly you have an aptitude for maybe it's science maybe it's the social sciences they could see it in my grades and my essays and neither of them went to university and I think that probably explains their position is they want I would have been the first person in our immediate family to go to university and that's a big deal it is a big deal for parents so they want they encouraged me to go to university because they believed that I could do it and would succeed and prevail and and grow as a person and build my knowledge and I initially was like no I want to go to college because like they didn't want me to do that so obviously I wanted to do what they didn't want me to do but eventually I said okay and I applied to criminology and that's where I ended up and where I still am but it wasn't what I initially wanted to do and I guess I kind of skipped over the pharmacy part because the pharmacy part I mentioned earlier I learned a little bit earlier that I was gonna need too much math so then I switched paths and that all of a sudden I want a graphic design cuz like there's no math in that it is pretty crazy this societal expectation that like at 16 you're applying for programs that will dictate the course of your life it's a huge amount of pressure but just know that you know what you decide to do in the first year of university does not have to be the thing you are locked into for eternity oh yeah you can change I still don't know like when do you figure out what you wanted to pursue in college I still don't know if I figured out what I should have or would have wanted to do you know and I've been out of university for like 10 years I think yeah and we're not the best example honestly because we just happened to be lucky and ended up pretty much in the career that we picked when we were 17 roughly it sounds much more common yet for people to go through and experience different things and maybe you don't need to go to university immediately after high school in all cases like I'm thinking about the people right now who are graduating while social distancing and talking about going to university in the fall where there won't eat be in-person classes yeah I bet a lot of people are thinking of like do I need to immediately register and pay stupid amounts of money to to learn online right now like at the end of the day what you got out of University hopefully you actually learn but a lot of it is just like to have a piece of paper at the end to make you qualified for jobs but it's also about the experiences of like going to class and meeting peers and research assignments that maybe you do in a group setting and people aren't going to necessarily have that so I totally understand that maybe the decision this year to delay or put a hold on that what might make more sense for people making that decision it's a really tough spot to be on so and maybe here's a interesting note to end on for the past three or four years you have done a simply tuition giveaway and it's something we'd like to continue doing in the future and this year even but does the fact that like school is happening remotely sort of should it change our approach to doing that this year I think we're really open to comments on this from the audience should we have a different approach to financially contributing to someone's education this year considering everything going on in the world yeah so I'll just recap for those of you who aren't aware every year I'd pay a couple people's tuition here in Canada but because I don't know if people are feeling more like apprehensive or weird or unsure about going to school that might be the same cost as it was before although you're not really getting the same experience is there any other way or different different way of approaching the tuition giveaway that we could do this year that would make more sense given the current context like I just I want to hear from you guys yeah I'm unsure what to do I want to support people who want to go to school and need help but I just I don't know if maybe there's a better or a different way this year yeah we don't to be donation shamed right all right apologies to videogame dunkey he was gonna come on and talk about the big Yoshi but we ran out of time but we hope you guys enjoyed this this convo about school reminiscing about our high school experience and one day you'll grow up to be adults just like us just like us just as silly as we still are alright everybody thank you so much for tuning in we'll see you next Akko Tuesday see y'all later [Music] [Music]

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