Hello, everybody,
I'm Kenneth
Copeland. And this is the Believer's
Voice of Victory
Broadcast. Would you join me
again today in
welcoming Professor Greg Stephens to
this broadcast? [Greg Stephens] Thank
you, sir. Thank you. [Kenneth Copeland] Oh, man. How many weeks have we done
on covenant, I don't know. [Greg Stephens] A few, a few. [Kenneth Copeland]
Yeah, it's a number. When we talk about nations
and so forth, of course, our primary concern, first
of all, is Christians and, of course, our nation, but
this will apply to any nation. Of course, we're seeing
things right here, and I mentioned this last
week a number of times, and already this week. At my age, 84, I've seen a lot
happen, a lot come and go. And particularly political
things during World War II, that was very
interesting to me. And then after the
war and years later, go back and study
those things, because I really like
and enjoy the military. And let's read our
golden text here, Greg, from the 15th chapter
of the book of Genesis, the 16th verse. "But in the fourth
generation, they shall
come here again, for the iniquity of the
Amorites is not yet
full." When sin is full, then
judgment has to come. [Greg Stephens] It has to. [Kenneth Copeland] And God,
because He is so patient and long suffering, He
gives people a long... He gives nations a
long time to repent. [Greg Stephens] Yes, He does. [Kenneth Copeland]
And as a nation, He has given us a
long, long, long, long time to stop
killing unborn babies. [Greg Stephens] One of the
primary sins of the Amorites. [Kenneth Copeland] Yes. Now we've seen this,
it goes back a long, long ways with the
Democratic Party, going back to the Civil War. Well, I won't go
into all that, because all that
back there is... We're talking about right now. And it struck me, Greg. It hurt me like somebody
had really gut punched me, when the leadership, I'm not
talking about the whole party, I'm talking about the
leadership and I'm not talking bad about people. It's the yielding of people
to the wrong stuff through a long-- [Greg Stephens] And
obviously they don't know. [Kenneth Copeland] No, it's
a long period of deception. [Greg Stephens] Oh, yeah. - And the leadership of that
party voted unanimously-- [Greg Stephens] I remember. [Kenneth Copeland] ... to no
longer have anything to do with God in the platform. Now the platform not only
includes the leadership, that is put together by party
members all over the United
States, and so is the
Republican platform. And the platform shows
the heart of the party. And they said, "We
are no longer..." No, they hadn't put
it just like that. "We are now the party of
the atheist." And they named off agnostic... [Greg Stephens] Yeah, all
these different lists. [Kenneth Copeland] ... and all
of the perversion list and everything. For that is the largest
religion in the United States, and they put God
completely out. Now, what did the Apostle Paul
say in the Book of Romans? They did not want
God in their
thinking, so God turned them
over to a
reprobate. I put it like, "He turned
them over to a confused
mind, that bad looks good."
And we need to do this, we really need to do this. So now, in my opinion, and
this is just what it is. I'm not speaking for the
ministry and all of that. Of course, what I say does. But still, in my opinion, when
it comes to the place where it doesn't matter
anymore, well so what? "Oh, well, this is all part
of women's health." No, it's money, big money. [Audience] Yes, it is. [Kenneth Copeland] But the
excuses are enormous. And here again, I'm talking
about the leadership. And now, we know. I mean the absolute evidence
is there again and again and again and again and again,
in states all over the United
States, that the so-called
Dominion voting machine was created for the
purpose, originally, of controlling foreign
elections of dictators and stuff like that. And somehow it got over into
being used in the Democratic
Party, the leadership
of the Democratic Party, in my opinion, a
number of years ago, and like I said, when
they announced that, it was almost like
I was gut punched. It hurt. We need the Democratic Party. We need the Democratic Party. We need the Democratic Party
of back in during the days when they were in opposition
to the Republican Party, but they'd sit down and they
worked with one another and you either liked
it or you didn't, but there was no way they
were going to abort children. That's just out
of the question, you don't do things like that, until a Supreme Court
judge decided we will. The legislature
never did that. [Greg Stephens] No. [Kenneth Copeland] So I'm
praying and I'm believing God, and I'm standing
on the Word of God, but I know I heard this and
I have to be very, very, very cautious. Don't pray this about people. Oh God, break it and
remake it, cleanse it, get it back on its feet. Get its head straight again
and get God back in the leadership of that party. We need them. But it's in deep trouble. And I am of the opinion, and
it's just simply my opinion. But I mean, I do have
the spirit of God. That I believe that the sin of
the leadership of that party
is full. Where judgment,
it has to happen. Killing babies
has got to stop. This has to stop. It's cursing this nation. And we don't want
another 9/11. [Greg Stephens]
So what that is, is you're talking
about iniquity. [Kenneth Copeland]
Mm-hmm (affirmative). [Greg Stephens] Iniquity twists
God's order of things and calls it right. And it'll totally twist
everything that's happened. It'll reward one group
and punish the good. And that's what we see, and
that's the frustration you see. So when God tells them
this in Genesis 15, it's going to happen in the
fourth generation, 400 years. It'll happen 430 years-- [Kenneth Copeland] We saw
it in 2020. Governors of certain states,
the way they handled church. [Greg Stephens] The way
they handled voting. [Kenneth Copeland] A very
close friend of mine, on our board of directors,
pastors a church. I preached in it many,
many, many, many times. They came to arrest him because
he had people on Sunday. The police came. [Greg Stephens] If you'd have
said that 20 years ago, 40 years ago in America, that
there will be a police state that will come. And this is just starting,
police state is just starting, that are going to come to
your house of worship or come to your home
to arrest you... [Kenneth Copeland] Because
you're having church [Greg Stephens] Even Democrats
would have been, "What?" They would have, "No." - And one of the police
officer's a pastor. "We don't want to be here. We don't want to be here." And he had to sue the
governor to have church. [Greg Stephens] My gosh. - Now that happened all over
the United States. And the difference of that,
and this is the reason I'm so concerned
over this, Greg, the governor of the state
of Texas said, "No, no. No, church is essential. We're going to have church,
one way or the other we're going to have church. And we are not going to
open the abortion clinics. That is not a necessary thing." And I figured it up just there,
in just a little while, right here in the state of
Texas, it saved 2,500 babies, and that was no telling
how many since then. [Greg Stephens] Hallelujah. [Kenneth Copeland]
He shut it down. [Greg Stephens] But when the
righteousness are ruling, the people rejoice. [Kenneth Copeland]
The people rejoice. But what's the
other half of that? [Greg Stephens] Well,
when they're not... [Kenneth Copeland] When the
wicked rule, the people mourn. [Greg Stephens] And cast
off all restraints. [Kenneth Copeland] The back of
that is grieve, they grieve. And one translation says,
"They groan like a dying soldier on the battlefield." - See, so all of that
stand that happened that you were talking
about with Texas, when I saw the weather thing that hit a few months back in
Texas, that was spiritual. That whole thing was part of the
groaning as a part of an attack, when the government,
the federal government, didn't get involved in helping
send a few blankets to Texas. Blankets didn't do anything. We need the power on. But all of those things are
mankind trying to govern himself apart from God
and you can't do it. So you can't get upset
about this stuff. It's why God told
Abraham, his friend, "Here's what's
going to happen. Joshua is going to come. And Joshua is going to be the
one that'll fight the battle against the Amorites
and drive them out." Joshua is a perfect look at
the Book of Revelation. It's a perfect look. The final battle
with the Amorite, with that spirit that's
in the earth today, will be done by
another Joshua. But his name is Yeshua, Jesus. [Kenneth Copeland] Yes. I just started to say
Joshua, it's the same name. [Greg Stephens] Same name. It's not a coincidence--
- No. [Greg Stephens] ... that Yeshua
led them into this-- [Kenneth Copeland] And I'm
satisfied that the English
translators englishized the name of Jesus to
separate Jesus from Joshua. [Greg Stephens] Oh, sure. They did it with a lot of-- [Kenneth Copeland] And then
they slipped up a little bit in the Book of
Hebrews, but anyway... [Greg Stephens] Well, I believe
Paul wrote Hebrews and I believe he did that. [Kenneth Copeland] I believe
he did it on purpose. [Greg Stephens] On
purpose to let us know. Joshua comes in,
now what happens? He sends two spies, or
I'll put it this way, two witnesses in before the
destruction of the most fortified
Amorite city, Jericho. Well, two witnesses are going to
come back before this final
battle. [Kenneth Copeland]
That's right. [Greg Stephens] Do you
see all the parallels? They're going to
blow the trumpets. God's going to have them break
most of the Torah ordinances in the battle of Jericho,
which is an interesting thing. Levites are out
front in battle. Levites were never
to be out front, but He put them out front. - I never thought about it,
but that's right. He did. - He did it. [Kenneth Copeland]
They were out front. [Greg Stephens] And on the
seventh day, you don't work, and He has them march more
times on the seventh day. So He's trying to show them
the law itself is not going
to do it. It's going to be
this Messiah, Jesus, that's going to come through
and He's going to lead you. And then there's silence. Remember that? They had them be quiet. Nobody could talk or anything. In heaven, there'll be a
half-hour silence [Kenneth Copeland] I
just started to say. [Greg Stephens] It's a
picture of what's coming. [Kenneth Copeland] Yeah, it is. [Greg Stephens] And so
when I showed you at the beginning of last week,
that wheel within a wheel and the pattern in the
way God does things, this Amorite battle is in
front of us, the final one. You and I, Brother Copeland, are
going to be part of that battle. We're going to see
this thing unfold. Now, we're not going
to have to fight. Jesus is like,
"Just be with me. I won't need you, but
just be with me." He's going to take care of
this thing, once and for all. Matter of fact, I'll
show you something. Let me give you a verse,
Revelation, chapter 18, talking about the future
battle with the Amorite. Now you remember there were
seven seals, seven trumpets? [Kenneth Copeland] Yes. [Greg Stephens] They blow the
trumpet seven times in Joshua. It's all a picture of
what's in front of us. And so don't be discouraged
against the Democrats or the Republicans or
Trump or anything. [Kenneth Copeland] I mean, this
is a temporary thing right now that God's going to fix. And He fixes this, this nation
is going to be reborn and it's going to be greater
than it's ever been in the past. And we're right there. [Greg Stephens]
We're right there. We're so close to it. [Kenneth Copeland]
We're right there. [Greg Stephens] For him
who has ears to hear, you need to understand. Don't be dismayed by 2020
and arguing about, "Well, the prophets said this
and this said that..." No, we're right on
God's timetable. The iniquity of the
Amorite, you were so right when you heard that. We're right on the timetable. Let me show you Revelation
talking about the future of this and see if you hear some
familiar words, verse three, Revelation 18, verse three. "For all nations have drunk
of the wine of wrath of her fornication and the kings
of the earth have committed fornication with her and the
merchants of the earth..." There's business
with government. We've watched it happen with
Facebook and Twitter and all of this other... the My Pillow guy,
censoring him. "And the merchants of the
earth are waxed rich through the abundance
of her delicacies." They've partnered together. "And I heard another
voice from heaven saying, Come out of her, my people."
Come out, my people, that's the word. "That you be not
partakers of her sins and that you receive not of
her plagues for her sins," verse five, "have reached unto
heaven." It's filling up. "And God hath remembered
her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded
you and double under her according to her
works in the cup, which she had filled with
her double." There it is, Brother Copeland. Jesus is telling us,
"Listen, this thing is full, this cup is full now. I'm going to come
handle this thing." Not everybody that left Egypt
was an Israeli with Moses. People were smart enough to
say, "We're going with them. They have been blessed, they
have great abundance coming out of here." None of these
things that happened, you can find that
in Exodus 12, you can find it in Numbers
11, just quick reference. Not everybody was Jewish. Not everybody was Israeli. Not everybody was
part of the covenant, but they went with them. [Kenneth Copeland]
Yeah, they did. [Greg Stephens] And those are
the people that caused problems for Moses a little
bit later, those are the ones that are
going to start complaining
about things. They outwardly identified
with God's people, but nothing inwardly had been
done with them in the covenant. There are people today that
outwardly identify with church and the body of Christ,
but they haven't inwardly. And I believe the first
example of that was in Acts chapter five,
Ananias and Sapphira. [Kenneth Copeland]
There you are. - People that outwardly had
identified with this, and they're going to be
part of this blessing thing, but they didn't have the
right spirit about it. [Kenneth Copeland] No, and they
were in the leadership of the
church. [Greg Stephens]
That's exactly right. [Kenneth Copeland] Because
Peter called them by name, and that was a big church. [Greg Stephens] Yes, sir. [Kenneth Copeland]
Great, a huge church, thousands and thousands
of people in that church. [Greg Stephens] And none of
them lacked for anything. And Satan was trying
to get a way in there. And it's real interesting
because of the phraseology in the scripture there, it
says, "A certain man." And you'll see the same thing
with the centurion in Acts
chapter 10, "a certain man, a certain
centurion." So when it says, "a certain person, a certain
this," it leads me to think, they're not part
of the family. They're not a disciple. He didn't call him a
brother or my brethren. He said, "a certain
man, a certain this," but he doesn't say that-- [Kenneth Copeland]
A certain rich man. [Greg Stephens] A
certain rich man. [Kenneth Copeland] And
Lazarus called him by name, but a certain rich man. [Greg Stephens] Paul will write
to the Thessalonian Church. The Thessalonian Church
had questions concerning
the rapture. They thought they had
missed God already. They thought this thing
had already happened. And in First Thessalonians
chapter two, Paul is going to refer back to
some of this inequity stuff. And verse 15, he'll say this,
"Who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets
and have persecuted us. And they please not God and
are contrary to all men." Verse 16, "Forbidding
us to speak." Well, have we not seen that? [Kenneth Copeland]
Oh, my gosh, yes. [Greg Stephens] "Forbidding us
to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved to fill
up their sins," filling it up. All of this stuff, this
persecution stuff, all of this COVID stuff. All of this, "You
can't have church. You can have church,
but you can't sing," like they did in California. All of this is filling that
iniquity cup up and it's filling quickly. [Kenneth Copeland] Yes, it is. - "For the wrath has come upon
them to the uttermost," Paul writes
in Thessalonians. Do not be discouraged by
anything you're seeing. These are all signposts on
the road to heaven for us. What they're experiencing
in the early church, I command you to preach and
teach no more in that name. It's all the way the church
started and the same things, the devil's replaying the
same handbook, at the end. And we can't be
upset about it. [Kenneth Copeland] Now someone
said, "Brother Kenneth, what do you think's
going to happen in 2024?" I don't have any idea. I don't know. I am of the opinion, strong,
I might add, strong opinion, that there are some things
that are going to happen between now and then that
have huge effect on the 2024, when we have the
presidential election again. Now we cannot ignore
the midterm elections. [Greg Stephens] No. [Kenneth Copeland] That's huge. [Greg Stephens] That's
where you'll change. [Kenneth Copeland] In
some ways as important, even more important, than
the presidential election, because it has to
do with judges. It has to do with
governors in some places. And it has to do with-- [Greg Stephens] Every
congressmen, some senators. [Kenneth Copeland]
That's right. [Greg Stephens]
Vitally important. [Kenneth Copeland] And so
something has to happen between now and then
on the same machines. I curse those machines
in the name of Jesus. I curse them right
now in Jesus' name, as a prophet of God and a
minister of the Gospel. I curse wrong
crooked machines. It's not the machine's
fault, but the machine can be used to manipulate. [Greg Stephens] The software. [Kenneth Copeland] Yeah, it's
the software in the thing. And that has to be stopped. That has to be stopped because
it put other nations involved in our elections. And that has to quit now. [Greg Stephens] Yes, sir. - And in some ways, we're
already into World War III, because it is worldwide. [Greg Stephens] Yes,
sir. Yes, sir. But we're in this. We have a responsibility in
this, in our natural side, but we're not in this because
we're covenant people. We will come out
with abundance. [Kenneth Copeland] Yes, sir. [Greg Stephens] We'll come out
with the nation that we want, because we have proof of it. [Kenneth Copeland]
World War II, our guys were training with
wooden rifles and we came out the end of that war with more
steel than we could use, more oil than we could burn. And the people were more
prosperous than they had
ever been in the history
of this nation. And we're out of time. (clapping) ANNOUNCER: We hope you enjoyed
today's teaching from Kenneth Copeland Ministries, and
remember Jesus is Lord.
