Tupac & Biggie’s Murder Solved By Greg Kading

the more and more you read and the more and more you Besta you it's a neverending story with this West Coast East Coast top rappers have been shot and killed Tupac is supposed to perform at the club that night in a dark SS Impala pulls up alongside shoots Biggie several times and he dies on the way to the hospital so now there's blood on the ground and then an unexpected thing takes place they had to resurrect the case and have us take a new look at it and see if we've missed anything you believe behind all of this it's puffy he knew that Suge Knight was trying to hunt him down he turned to the streets and said can you guys handle this for me and now they're going to go and retaliate to hunt down Tupac the Cadillac pulls up he leans out and shoots and ultimately kills Tupac Shakur why were you removed from the case of 2009 is there a reason to want to go really find out the truth I believe the public should at least be informed as to what took place in the investigation what evidence we develop and how this all fits together it's not what you know it's what you can prove [Music] so today I have with me Greg Kading who was the detective investigating the homicide on Tupac as well as Biggie so one day Russell pulls investigation of 97 binders that are four inches of piece is handed over to him to find out an investigator Morin see what really happened at Tupac and Biggie he was a lead detective on that and recently a documentary came out called murder rap as well as a Netflix series 10 episodes titled on solved I believe right unsub which has become a big hit everybody's talking about look I got a painting behind me with many different characters and one of them is Tupac I was a 1996 graduates I've always been curious about Tupac I said why don't we get great kidding out here so Greg thanks for making the time I'm coming out and my pleasure thank you for having me so before getting this you had already done 200 cases give or take yeah throughout my career I was already as you know a senior detective at the time that I got this case but I had come through narcotics and homicide and had a really deep background in gang investigation so it just seemed like a natural fit to take on this case now was this something that you went after was it something that was just given to you out of nowhere it was given to me out of nowhere really I was working major narcotics and I got a phone call one day from detective at Robbery Homicide Division who was overseeing the new resurrected Christopher Wallace biggie smalls murder which was being reexamined due to a lawsuit that was being waged against the city of Los Angeles wherein allegations had been made from the Wallace estate that LAPD officers were complicit in the murder complicit in the murder and is that kind of what attracted he to it or you already kind of knew this was taking place I had some knowledge of the case but very limited really just a superficial knowledge of the case I was attracted to it just by the the challenge of it all I enjoyed things that had to do with gangs I enjoyed things that had to do with narcotics and of course this is a high-profile murder where in both of those worlds were going to be visited so all of those things attracted me to it and and I knew the department wanted to get to the bottom of it before even getting into it what is the itch why why do you want to be in a detective like what is the inspiration behind you know I want to go find out more I want to dig up more where does that come from have you always been like that yeah I've always enjoyed puzzles and that's what homicide any investigation is it's about you know finding pieces of evidence and trying to fit them all together to get a comprehensive picture of something and so there's a challenge involved and it's it's a lot of fun being a detective and especially in a city like Los Angeles it can be a lot of fun it can be really challenging but when you have a good partner and you got to be the team around you it's all worthwhile did you listen to hip-hop back then or no will you hip-hop guy or no I know I have to admit I was and I'm kind of a classic rocket guy I came up on you know Bob Seger and Aerosmith and that type of stuff I feel different music it's slightly different music and you know in again back in the mid 90s of course there was kind of an adversarial relationship between law enforcement and the gangster rap community you know songs from mwa like if the police and that were coming out and so you know there was just these two different worlds that work we're kind of frowning upon each other did you personally see them as the enemy yourself was it kind of like I want to put a stop to this and I'm willing to contribute was that kind of your mindset or I'm just gonna go do my job well the gangs you know we perceived as being you know their their detriment to their community and so that's what it is you're trying to protect the people in those communities that are trying to just get through their lives with pursuing you know their their own agendas and then these gangs they wreak all kinds of havoc in the communities so somebody has to be there to try to curb that and that's us that's law enforcement did you have a personal incident that happened to you with a gang member or anything that even create a more fire in your belly or not really you never had an issue yourself well there were certainly gang members who I despised you know guys that were out there you know committing murders and robbing houses and raping women and that type of thing but with that being said I developed really good relationships with certain gang members and we became friends and even guys that I'd sent to prison for years I'd stay in touch with and and once they got out and it formed friendships with them so everything really is taken on an individual basis but you know you have to judge the behavior at certain times donors and I asked is because I can only imagine if you put ninety seven four-inch binders on this table I mean there's a high likelihood one of them is gonna fall off right to want to do that and pursued you can obviously say no to it right you can say no I don't want to do this I'm gonna pass it to somebody else do you have the ability to do that or is it cating this is yours you got to take you to go get the job done I could have declined it okay no because they did they wanted somebody who would be interested and motivated to do the work and so they didn't want to have somebody that the work was forced on it just doesn't it doesn't amount to a good objective proactive approach so I liked it because I I have a certain kind of obsessive compulsive personality and if you put something like that in front of me you know the challenge is and I'm gonna you know I'm gonna do my darndest to figure it out so and you need the right personality for this because because this is like I was telling you earlier you know so I'm like okay I'm gonna sit with Gregg great we've done a lot of different interviews on the channel we've never gone into the hip-hop side and you know my interest with Tupac I said okay great let me let me want to pursue this but the more and more you read and the more and more you investigated it's a neverending story with this with the all the conspiracies 17 conspiracies that could be ride 5 over here here's a person on this side it was this guy was that guy so when it was first given to you what was your first approach when you got it did you say let me go through all this material first then or did you say I don't want to look at any of this stuff let me do my own investigation and I'll come to it no we had to review all the information that was available at the time all of those binders we had to go through with a fine-tooth comb and start piecing things together and develop the most viable theories because there are there were some you know there was just some ridiculous allegations and theories out there that you know we we had to listen to but we couldn't really take seriously just based on on face value but put to gather all the information that contained in those binders did lead us to the most viable and practical of the theories and decided that those would be the ones that we'd spend our time and energy trying to prove or disprove got it so so you're you're getting it you're looking at you're reading all the material yourself Russell Poole himself had come up to a conclusion right and he was going in a direction where he felt it was you know who he thought had handled the business for biggie or Tupac first of all what was that to the audience assuming they know nothing and I'm not seeing the documentary or read your book and secondly what direction did you go after you read that so Russell Poole he developed a loose theory based on some strong circumstantial evidence that there were some police officers moonlighting for Death Row Records and some LAPD officers that may or may not be associated with Suge Knight and through kind of a series of random circumstances put together this theory that these cops were involved in the cops that he ultimately identified was a notoriously bad cop from the LAPD a disgraced cop named David Mack who after the murders of Biggie Smalls had robbed a bank and you know there was some indication that he was associated or with with gangs down in Compton so all of these things led Russell Poole down this road where he started to fit information together to serve that theories purpose and we took it as a serious Theory there was as I said really good circumstantial information to believe that this could be true and so we pursued that as a viable option while keeping in mind that it may not be true also and so it's kind of through a process of elimination that we'd take a theory if we could disprove it then we knew we could set it aside and move on to the next theory got it great do you mind if we go to the other room on the board I have pictures of everybody and I kind of want you to walk us through the connection of everybody with each other where you know when you're investigating I would picture like you know some of these movies that they're doing investigation they got all the characters up and you kind of trying to figure out how you got to the bottom of who killed oh yeah let's go to the other oh yeah so Greg I want to take a different angle with this because I think this gives the audience a better visual to kind of see how everybody's connected to each other so if you can kind of walk us through what we know here is obviously it started with biggie investigation Tupac kind of came in and then I have eazy-e here I have P Diddy and Suge Knight and a lot of different characters even Johnnie Cochran at Russell pool if you can kind of walk us through some of the connections here that'll probably be most helpful great yeah and this is very helpful for me also during the investigation this is exactly what we did put together a big flow chart so we could put faces to names and start making connections so this is this is the way to present the case so I appreciate that of course you've got Biggie and Tupac there are victims killed in 1996 killed in 1997 over here you have Russell Poole who was the primary investigation back in 1997 assigned to investigate Biggie's murder and so of course we know that biggie was with P Diddy at Bad Boy Records in to pocket the time in 96 was under the death row death row with Suge Knight at the helm so these are all just sites some of the ancillary characters these guys aren't really related insofar as the murder investigation is concerned but of course we know ez and Snoop Dogg and dr. Dre from the founding days of death row you know easy coming out of NWA and Dre and then of course Snoop Dogg joins forces and they all become how much do you buy into the conspiracy about the AIDS where Suge Knight said what he said on Jimmy Kimmel or you don't you don't that's you've never investigated to find out the validity of it anyways we didn't take a deep dive into it I don't believe it I don't believe that he you know injected him with a needle full of even though he said it on Kimmel right well Suge Knight said a lot of things sure most of which are untrue so it's just his nature to throw out you know all kinds of nonsense you know he said Tupac's alive he said that did he killed him he said you know he said a million different he'd make a good politician today there you go perhaps when he gets out of prison become one so walk us through the rest okay so you know back in 96 Tupac Shakur's we know was in Las Vegas Nevada watching a Mike Tyson fight he's along with Suge Knight in this big entourage of people with Death Row Records there at the MGM after the fight Tupac gets into our fist fight with a gang member from Compton named Orlando Anderson his street name was baby lane after this this fight takes place security gets there they break it up everybody goes their own way and Tupac Shakur later on that evening or on the way over to shug's nightclub do you mind highlighting this I don't mean to interrupt you Orlando they got into a fight because of Trayvon claimed that he took the death row medallion and at that time he was given $10,000 for every medallion that they took apparently it was the case right or all of that's true except the thing about him offering up any kind of bounty for those medallions has always just been kind of Street rumor legend it's never been validated or verified but there was a rumor on the street that there was an offer of $10,000 to get one of these death row medallions which Tupac had and many of the other people at death row possessed so they're heading over to Suge Knight's Club this is after the Tyson fight Suge Knight is got this club in Las Vegas called the 662 it's a new enterprise for him he's trying to secure a gambling license and a liquor license so it's a really big night it's an important night he's got Tupac alongside of him in a BMW Tupac's supposed to perform at the at the club that night and Mike Tyson's supposed to make an appearance so it's a big deal while there in route there a white Cadillac pulls up alongside of them somebody leans out of the back window and opens fire hits Tupac multiple times and he ultimately dies six days later in the hospital so the murder investigation out in Las Vegas begins immediately and they begin to question people including Reggie Wright who was the head of security at death row they try to question sug he's not cooperative many other people within that entourage get questioned but the cops don't really make any real headway because people aren't cooperating so as a result of that fight that took place between Tupac and baby lane Suge Knight gets himself involved in that melee and gets sent back to prison on a probation violation so six months later when biggie is shot Suge Knight is in prison arms and he's in the LA County Jail facing these probation violations biggie comes back to LA in 1997 he's with Diddy and his cousin little cease and the rest of the bad-boy entourage they attend a party at the Petersen Auto Museum on March 7th of 1997 and as they're leaving the fire marshals close to the party down for overcrowding as they're leaving Diddy and his bodyguard there in a suburban leaving the location following them is biggie smalls his cousin and several other members of the entourage and a dark SS Impala pulls up alongside very similar to what had taken place in Vegas six months earlier an assailant reaches out the window shoots biggie several times and he dies on the way to the hospital so now the 1997 biggie smalls investigation is unfolding and it's assigned to this guy Russell Poole who is an LAPD robbery homicide detective got it and and a part of this when the shooting happened here and he went to jail didn't he make an offer to him for $16,000 to say that he wasn't hitting him he was trying to help him did that actually take place it did there is some question as whether it was $16,000 or $60,000 we've gotten different versions of that story but we know he did go to testify in his hearing and favorably trying to say yeah should was not kicking me he was actually trying to stop the fight and he shouldn't be you know violated for his probation the judge doesn't buy it he's can see that Orlando's lying through his teeth and Suga ultimately gets sent back to prison so it didn't help at all didn't help at all all it did was expose him as as a perjurer got it okay let's so from here at this point we have both west coast east coast top rappers have been shot and killed have been shot and killed he died six days later he died you know on the way to the hospital there's a recording apparently on you can hear the recording on the driver so I'm trying to find a hospital what do I find the hospital and then he dies on the way there right so what happens next so after he's DOA the murder investigation begins to unfold they secure the crime scene back at the Petersen Auto Museum and as I said shortly thereafter Russell Poole becomes one of the primary investigators until to to look into the matter and he begins to figure out that there has been this ongoing rivalry between these two camps it's been going on for years there's already been violence between the two camps and we're seeing that there's this hostile animosity going on not only between Biggie and Tupac but between Diddy and Suge Knight and then their respective crews there was like these different levels of the conflict that are going on so he begins to develop the you know a theory that all of this is probably due to some type of interaction among all of these these people and then an unexpected thing takes place while he's investigating that he hears and responds to a shooting that takes place between two LAPD officers this guy Frank LIGO who was working undercover narcotics at the time in an off-duty officer named Kevin gains these two guys get into a road rage incident they both pull guns on each other Frank like shoots and kills Kevin Gaines and during the investigation of that shooting he finds out that Kevin Gaines is driving a vehicle that's registered to Suge Knight's wife and during the follow up of that investigation finds out that Sheree the night his wife was actually dating this guy and had been for some time an LAPD officer so for him it raises the question why is an LAPD officer dating the wife of a known criminal and a guy who's got a reputation in lost that precedes him for violence in that type of thing now this time does he know that that's taking place or no it's not public info sug is aware of the fact that this incident takes place he's aware of the fact that they've determined that his wife has loaned her vehicle to this police officer he know what read the event or he learned afterwards he knew it before he was aware they was what oh yeah so they were kind of separated separated on the outs yeah so Johnny Cochran ultimately defends the lawsuit that's lodged against the police department representing Kevin Gaines it doesn't really go anywhere but you know Johnnie Cochran is of course a infamous LA lawyer oh yeah oh yeah so during during by the way his credibility does he have a strong credibility of who he was with his past at the time you know Russell Poole was known as a really diligent hard-working respected detective how he worked on something this big before a case this level just some ancillary involvement and when Cosby's kid was killed in Los Angeles he'd worked hundreds of gang homicides and gang investigations what he's doing he knew it he's doing it and I remember when this when this took place both of these events took place P Diddy puffy and Snoop got on and they interviewed and they said we got to bring it together and it was a way of them trying to bring peace let's bring west coast East Coast together you could tell there was fear in both of them because if this continues he's probably next there's a lot of other people that are going to be next they're trying to bring peace yeah well particularly snip dog you know I think he was in the middle of it Dre didn't really want anything to do with all the violence nonsense going on around death row one would rate he just wanted to produce and do his thing and make make great music so he wasn't about all this drama that was going on Snoop also he just wanted to you know he wanted to do the same thing for all intent purposes make music he wanted to be able to go to New York and you know do things out in New York and promote his music out there but this conflict going on between them was making all of that very difficult did you watch that one that interview took place when they were trying to bring peace like do you do you when you're investigating do you look at those types of things or not at all well of course you know hey we're really not trying to hurt anybody nothing really happened or does that actually bring more attention to say why is he getting on there saying something like this now does it put more of a target on him for saying that or no personally I think he would have preferred there be a truce of peace pre-pre both of these events or post prior okay and after both because I think he wasn't he knew how dangerous this was over here you know he's a New Yorker he's not a gangster by nature he's just a guy who wants to make music and and be an entrepreneur and and you know not have to deal with all of the crap that was going on around Suge Knight when it got really bad was when they were in Atlanta and then both of these guys in their entourage were at a nightclub and they got into a little squabble over some girls on the dance floor and you know one thing led to a pushy match and then of course security tells him to all to go outside and then his bodyguard pulls a gun and shoots and kills his bodyguard so now there's blood on the ground he holds him responsible for the death of his friend and the conflict isn't really bad this all takes place long before these guys get killed how much love for so that's shooting in ninety that was in 95 so in Atlanta so year before so a year before this and of course even before that 94 he gets assaulted at the quad Studios in New York and believes that both puffy and Diddy at least for a little while initially he thought that puffy and Diddy had set him up and they were responsible for that do you that robbery I don't think so whatsoever and I think he came to learn that it wasn't all these guys in here amongst these guys is it fair to say that these three were not gangsters he was the only one correct definitely not these guys you know he was a drug dealer just a street corner guy you know of course Diddy was coming up in the music business and kept his nose clean for all intent purposes should was definitely from the neighborhood he wanted that whole gang atmosphere in reputation to be what death row was and Tupac in kind of become any an affiliate of the gang that Suge Knight represented which was the mob Pyro's he was not a gang member any way shape or form but he certainly was associating with them in claiming them because he was looking for protection not only protection but a sense of you know for lack of brotherhood and gotten along is just most of them don't right motion airs if you get into a game you're missing something there's not a father figure there's not a French brother you have so you kind of want to get into something but but based on what I read is Tupac had a lot of different personalities one thing is the entertainer one day we're taking over the world one day it's a philosopher one day it's the gangster so you didn't know who really showed up so you know even him not necessarily taking claims of one certain city whether it's Baltimore New York LA what are you really representing right yeah but he was man of the people yet not really affiliated 20 gang so background wise would you say he wasn't like an O GOG gangster compared to him oh no no none whatsoever you know he was a complicated guy but you know he certainly wasn't you know okay a gang member okay we call him an affiliate just by this you know just by nature of the fact that he is affiliating or you don't call him a gangster got it not at all but we do have to remember that he was at odds with these guys when he was in jail should was the one that came out there and rescued him got the bail money uh brought him to Los Angeles allowed him to make some you know phenomenal music and so he saw in Suge a big brother or possibly father figure or mentor and then of course Suge Knight's entourage embraced Tupac and he saw with them a sense of belonging got it okay so what happens next so what happens next after this happens of Russell Poole then becomes after the shooting in this hole at the aftermath of this cop on cop shooting another incident takes place in Los Angeles were a corrupt cop a rogue cop named David Mack robs a bank in Los Angeles the bank of America and runs away runs out of there with like sub $22,000 investigators quickly figure out who he what his involvement was and they arrest him and when they arrest him they find out that he drives a black 1996 Chevy Impala which is the exact same vehicle as the suspects used in the murder of Biggie they also find that there's photographs of him wearing all of the a red suit and a red brim hat what was very indicative of how Suge Knight dressed and he's from Compton and he's got a loose affiliation with some Bloods according to some of the letters he's written while he's in jail he's claiming these Westside riders I believe it was a Compton Street gang so Russ Poole knows that he has at least one cop who's loosely affiliated with Suge Knight through his wife and now he's got another cop who's claiming to be a gang dressing in red clothes indicative of the Bloods and drives a black Impala which is matches the suspect vehicle in Biggie's shooting so he begins to form a theory that potentially this guy was involved in the murder of Biggie Smalls adding to that we discovered that while he was in jail for the bank robbery he's visited by this guy named Amir Muhammad and he goes into the jail and visits David Mack he becomes aware of this visit and he finds out that during the investigation into Biggie's murder an informant had mentioned the name Amir as being the shooter of Biggie Smalls and so he finds out there's an Amir that visits David Mack and that kind of adds fuel to the fire of the theory that he's trying to develop purely a theory purely theory good circumstantial support or the theory short but it's it's far from conclusive it what does the story come with louis farrakhan where it's hey are we good I want to make sure I'm good with the brother or Muslim but you know the Muslim you know that that conversation was that puffy and then what does that take yeah so that takes place the night prior to Biggie's murder and the Petersen there at the Soul Train Awards there Puffy's entourage his bad-boy entourage gets into a little bit of a confrontation with members of the Nation Islam and that's when did he supposedly says over to Farrakhan hey we're cool right I mean do we need do we need this and they call the incident got it but is there anything connected with that here or not at all there's nothing connected other than he's Muslim not fruit of Islam but Muslim and there's a conflict the night before got it so it's completely separate completely separate got it completely separate but for him it's a loose connection yes sure so now what what role does rafael Ray Perez play so Perez is most notable he's kind of the face of what became known as the rampart scandal in Los Angeles he was another dirty cop who was going to our evidence checking out cocaine under an alias name and then going out and selling and using the cocaine for his own profit he becomes discovered during that internal investigation and then he ultimately makes a deal with the district attorney's office in Los Angeles and starts to name all these other people that he claims were dirty cops these are a lot of dirty cops at that time is a list of the long list or not really the whole rampart scandal ultimately turned out to be like three guys okay include you know he's putting his show he's the main one so he was just throwing all kinds of dirt in every direction trying to get himself out of trouble he's making a lot of false allegations against a lot of innocent cops but the rampart scandal legend kind of just took on a life of its own and it's perceived as something much bigger than it actually was these guys used to work together and so there was some there was some suspicion that he was also involved in the bank robbery but that had that had been ultimately refuted so now you have this you read this you do the investigation 97 binders you're going through it this is what Russell Poulos theory is next where do you go next so he's developed his theory he's presenting it to the department they're like okay this is circumstantially interesting but it's far from being conclusive let's not start making allegations let's not start making you know adding to the newspaper fodder with this theory he gets frustrated and walks away from the job basically just quits the job a year prior to qualifying for his retirement and he goes out and writes a book and so you've got you know a year and a half worth of investigative material in these books the case of Biggie Smalls is assigned to another investigator Tupac's case is still being worked out in Las Vegas but he goes and writes a book called labyrinth and that leads to based on the book a lawsuit is waged against the LAPD this is the four hundred million dollar loss this is the four hundred million dollar lawsuit that's waged against the LAPD based on the allegations in the book that he that he helps to write an attorney gets ahold of Biggie's mom and says listen I've read this book by the sex detective in Los Angeles he's got all this incredible information about how cops were involved and they're covering it up let's sue the department get to the bottom of this so that's what takes place the civil lawsuit goes in and out of court federal court state court dismissed refiled and ultimately in 2006 the LAPD says listen let's put a full-court press on this get a bunch of people involved and that's how I get involved and we start to take a take a fresh look at everything involving the case but of course now it's nine years later nine years later so no now you're on the 400 million dollar lawsuit just a question for you when when the when the City of LA gets a lawsuit that big are they worried because they don't have the funds to go lawyer up and protect themselves is that where they're first brain ghost it was like man we cannot afford that kind of a lawsuit it's a it's a combination yes of course it's that you know nobody wants to you know you never know what is gonna happen in a civil case you know you just juries are very fickle and you can't afford to lose that kind of money four hundred million dollars is no small change so they say listen we're confident based on all the investigative effort that has taken place in that nine year period because it wasn't just him investigators teams of investigators had looked into all of his claims and the LAPD was very confident that should this go to court they can successfully defend it and get out from under that lawsuit but in order to do that they had to resurrect the case and have us take a new look at it and see if we've missed anything so so why did they go from him to use that because he had the heart attack and he died no he died years later after I had already after we'd already been involved he died long after the loss yesterday they just died a few years ago who was he about to have a meeting with that he was and then something happened where he'd had a heart attack right before that he was over at the homicide unit of the LA County Sheriff's in the LA County Sheriff's was at that time in charge of the investigation of Suge Knight when he ran over and killed this guy Terry Carter it's a completely unrelated event but the LA County Sheriff's Department is pursuing him as a I was a murder suspect for running this guy over and Russell Poole says hey I've got this idea let's make sure let's cut chick night a deal on this murder in order to get him to cooperate about the things he knows regarding these two murders during that meeting the investigators kind of looking at him cross-eyed all these years had gone by he comes out of the woodwork he's been suffering from a whole bunch of you know personal problems and he basically just collapsed and dies right there at the table it's purely a conspiracy when people try to connect their with any other events oh yeah no kid it's just now here's another nut but he died from a heart attack died from a heart attack got tons of stress for years yeah I mean makes sense this is it's the world filled with stress so so you you explained this situation perfectly well now what do you do next so as we get involved you know we're gonna treat all these theories as if they're true and then through a process of elimination come up to the one that we can't disprove and that's the most viable theory and then we're gonna try to corroborate that so as we're looking into this we know about all the conflict that's taking place between these crews between bad boy and death row and POC and big and of course the gangs so we ultimately want to corner this guy because we knew that he was a he's a known gang member from Compton we know he was in Las Vegas at the time of Tupac shooting and we know that he was at the Petersen Auto Museum the night the biggie was killed so he's a person of extreme interest up to this point in time he'd been interviewed and says he doesn't really know anything and you know kind of gives a you know throws a bunch of curveballs at us so we know that he's not going to sit down and just be transparent and open with us after all these years we develop a an airtight drug case against him because you know we're aware of the fact he's got a known history of dealing drugs and particularly to this guy in New York and we put an ironclad case against him approach him and say here's the deal KPD we have questions about these murders if you don't cooperate you're going to prison for the rest of your life and so are several members of your family who are caught up in your drug organization he confesses to his involvement in the murder of Tupac Shakur in Las Vegas in 1996 he tells us that his nephew Orlando Anderson was in the same car with him which was the white Cadillac and they had gotten into the fight obviously between Tupac and Orlando and now they're going to go and retaliate at the club where they know that Tupac and Suge are gonna be and they go over to the club in hunt of and to hunt down Tupac and prior to that they meet with this guy in Las Vegas who happens to be biggie smalls Godfather he's a close friend of puffy he's out in Las Vegas he's aware of all this conflict going on he's aware of the shooting of Tupac and so he gives him a gun in Las Vegas and then they set out along with another guy named Cory Edwards and five or six other members of the south side Crips and they go on the hunt for Tupac in and Suge Knight ultimately they run into him on the strip just off the strip actually and at the intersection of Flamingo and Koval the Cadillac pulls up he gives him the gun he leans out and shoots and ultimately kills Tupac Shakur and in the car he's sitting in the front passenger Terrance Brown T Brown it's a de jure driver he had think it's mother-in-law rented the car in the Cadillac and apparently key feed every time he would go out he would always rent a car and then in the back is Orlando right behind the behind Phoebe and then DeAndre sitting on this side he first gives the gun to DeAndre because the cars on this side the andra says no mm-hmm then he Orlando says give it to me he turns around and he shoots get some so that's pretty much the event that takes place and a lot of it was the attention because the girls were hollering hey to power cage again yeah they figured out there then they made a u-turn to go get him right that's right yep so where do we go from here so now he looks like he looks like a Cuba Gooding jr. from American Gangster not Frank Lucas but the guy that Frank Lucas was going up against who was making blue magic and spicing it up and selling it for cheaper price anyway so just an interesting guy he's a known most it was a well-known established drug dealer in Harlem for years I was getting a you know a grip of dope from ki fede out here on the east on the west coast anyways he died a few years ago of cancer natural causes but he was a co-conspirator in this murder associated with these guys and then of course these are your two primary suspects he provides the gun in the direction and he follows it and does the shooting so now we have a confessing co-conspirator in the murder which is huge for us investigative Li you know we now we've got testimonial evidence to support this this theory and he tells us things that he could not have known had he not been actually at the scene at the time of the murder so we we corroborate what he says and it validate it so now we have for all intent and purposes solve this murder so now we're still got our other objective which is to figure out what happened to biggie so we take the same investigative approach and we know that Suge has got a girlfriend we've given her an alias of Theresa Swann and that she's complicit in a whole bunch of kind of white-collar crimes fraud forgery and that type of things has she ever done time with gone cops or no she's been to jail so she had a has a record she has her backup and a lot she she's got a history she was his bad girl you know shook out a lot of women in his life this happened to be the one that that he could count on to do something that the other girls may not be willing to do so we we basically find out that she's involved in a bunch of fraud related to auto automobile were purchasing we do the same thing with her that we did to him we approach her and tell her listen we've got a case against you we're not only gonna send you to jail that we're gonna have your young children put into you know put into foster care and you know your world is gonna take a big 180 if you don't tell us what you know she ultimately breaks down confesses that after the murder of Tupac Shakur shug's at the county jail she goes and meets with him Suge says listen I want biggie killed I want you to go ahead and get ahold of my boy cappucci from the neighborhood he knows poochie's a known shooter and he agrees to pay her twenty five thousand dollars half of what she gives to Poochie and they conspired to do the murder so on the night of Biggie Smalls murder at the Petersen Auto Museum she goes to the to the party he lies in wait outside in a dark-colored Impala that Suge Knight had purchased for him and as Biggie Smalls and the entourage are leaving he just simply pulls up alongside starts to shoot it's it's the big man who dies on the way to the hospital so this was validated by Theresa Swann LEM you know whatever name you gave her was validated by her correct okay and and based on and under in another interview with Reggie right he always saw them but away from everybody talking it was almost like a it wasn't a public relationship it was more like a private relationship they had right right when you look back at the activities around death-row and specifically Suge Knight in his entourage of gang members they were always out front and center you know they that was the image that Suge Knight wanted for his record company Reggie right explained to us but the relationship with Poochie was something completely different poochy would stay in the cut poochy and sugar would always go off on their own to have private conversations we knew he was already wanted for at least one murder and so he was the kind of guy that you would go to if you needed something like that done is it fair to say that on this list of all these faces the toughest guys on this list he would be one of them these are your killers okay right here got it right these are your CEOs and you know in a shot-caller God but these guys you know at the at the top of the food chain and because this whole thing never got dealt with responsibly these two guys suffer the consequences got it so what what happens next so now you know poochie's did you guys make a letter that hey he testified and he's already told us right before he died and even on the letter you put the date of the letter was April 1st 1998 meaning April Fool's yeah I think we were just trying to be a little bit too clever but ultimately it worked she reads the letter that's a ruse it's a fictitious confession letter that was signed by him and given to an attorney before he was he was shot and killed in 2002 on a motorcycle driving up the street most of these guys have all you know expired so we show her the letter she says Wow that's exactly what happened we tell her well why don't you tell us what happened in your words she explains her solicitation was Suge Knight how he had paid her and how he had told her to get a hold of him and commit the murders so we corroborated her statements and now for all intensive effectively have solved both these murders because we have corroborated Co confessing co-conspirators that are confessing so that's where we go to the department and we say listen we've got all the goods or the department then has their attorneys reach out to Voletta Wallace in the estate and say listen we've got new information in the case it undermines INRI future civil case you can continue to pursue that and spend money but this is where we're going with it the letter Wallace an attorney at the hearing that they decide that they're going to reach their lawsuit it's dismissed the whole time 400 million whole K ever happened whole case goes away you've said that you believe behind all of this is puffy you've said this yourself with a million dollars where there was a million dollars where there wasn't half a million dollars tell us a little bit about that what I believe happened with with puffy was that again I don't think he wanted this conflict to get worse than it already was and if he could figure out a way to quell that he would in fact we have a statement saying that puffy had reached out to the members of the Nation of Islam to approach Suge Knight and say hey let's have a peace treaty let's squash this thing but should wanted nothing to do with it so he was trying to get out from under this imposing threat knowing that Suge held him responsible for the murder of his friend and whenever he would come to LA he knew that Suge Knight was trying to hunt him down we have a reported incident an investigation where Suge Knight had accosted one of his associates at a Christmas party in Los Angeles and they beat the living [ __ ] out of this guy he almost lost his eye in an attempt for these guys to gain knowledge about where he lived in Los Angeles so he undoubtedly becomes aware of the fact that these guys are actively hunting me down they're kidnapping assaulting people my life's definitely in harm's way and so I think that out of that desperation and fear he turned to the streets and said can you guys kind of handle this for me because he knew that if you're gonna deal with these gang members then the best thing to do is get their natural enemies - you know - to do the work for you and is that the million dollars million dollars was on the according to ki fede he says there is a kind of a loose conversations at Greenblatt Sept on Sunset in which puffy allegedly tells ki fede listen I mean whatever it Nate whatever it takes to get these guys off my back I need you to take care of them he says we wanted a million dollars Diddy's like whatever but again I have to couch that with the understanding that he was in fear for his life now I fully get that yeah I fully get that so but the million dollars is from him well you don't know really if it's a million dollars or it's a half a million dollars I just think it's just boastful talking okay no it's like I saw if I see a really nice car that I like to purchase from you and I just man I'll give you a million dollars for that yeah it's just that kind of like loose so the part where we're gives him the gun he says listen that right now is the time to do it every once in town go to 662 here's a gun that I have he leaves a tune with the car right he gives him the gun and then afterwards when they talk on a call he says was that us and they're on the call together listening and zip says yes that was us chief he says yes that was yes that was a TV says that was us and then then he says we'll take your zip says we'll take care of the money six weeks later he's not getting the money and you know he's finding out maybe he didn't get paid and then afterwards he meets with an associate up he did he's saying puffy saying yeah we did pay but they wrapped it and then when they met is that all been verified that maybe he did keep the money or they did not pay we don't have anything to validate other than his claim got it he's claiming that he had people that were closely associated with Eric that was zip they told him hey puffy paid a half a million dollars and zip kept the money so that's his claim we do know that these two people do exist and that they were associated with him but those people have never verified that so that that unpaid debt is it was definitely never collected so why were you removed from the case in 2009 or to you know a year before your retirement why did they I mean obviously the show is called unsolved right on the Netflix why was it like listen you're gonna let it too deep with this stop what you're doing we're gonna we're gonna remove you and go a different direction for the LAPD once we bring them the confession of key fede their attitude is like okay well that's Las Vegas case pass all the information you have on Tupac's murder to Las Vegas let them deal with ki fede let them follow up in in and handle their own murder case with Biggie's case now the LAPD is out from under this massive lawsuit they're breathing a sigh of relief they've just spent millions of dollars conducting this investigation with wiretaps and narcotics buys and all of this you know is a large operation and at that point in time they realize prosecute prosecution wise it's going to be very very difficult to take the remaining co-conspirators which at that time really consisted of ki fede Eric Martin and Diddy and prosecute these guys based on the sole testimony of a convicted drug dealing gang member so they realize that it's going to be very very tough to prosecute these people we've spent enough time and energy on this Gregg you're gonna get reassigned back to cold case homicides everybody else go back to your respective agencies and they just that's it right yeah but is that nothing bigger than that it wasn't like hey let's try to find out more your this is gonna get us in trouble we don't want to get more negativity behind it or maybe even some cops internally or trying to protect some people that are living any of those things could be possibilities or no not for me you know not at all I think it's just simply they were kind of indifferent about it like hey Voletta Wallace sued us we spent a lot of money trying to defend this lawsuit we've spent a little whole lot of money trying to pursue the truth we found that and now we're just gonna let sleeping dogs lie because we can't prosecute the case you know for all intents is it's not practical with with with Biggie's murder and so you know you've got an ex-girlfriend who's known to commit perjury and she's going to take the stand and be the sole witness against Suge Knight saying that he because this guy is dead remember and so now you've got this you know relationship between the two and she's the only person you can put on the stand you know pointing the finger at him it's just not gonna work out in court and same thing with Tupac's murder you know these guys just don't have any credibility and so far as getting on the stand and testifying because of their back groans and their previous you know convictions and statuses gang members and in established perjurers it's just complicated and so even do you have this much evidence it's still complicated I mean what that what that what that then tells a person watching how is how are they protected at this point that you know this happened you're not talking about a small brand this guy was growing at a level that was pretty wild and you're not talking about I'm not even talking here I'm specifically staying here with the talent they're the ones this making the money they're the ones creating the opportunity but they're the ones that are doing the talent don't isn't there a reason to want to go really find that the truth for not only fans families people involved businesses involved with them it's in their reason to even go deeper with that well there you know for us there's a saying in in investigative circles it's not what you know it's what you can prove and knowing what happened is one thing but then going to court and successfully prosecuting people to bring them justice that's a different thing it's it's a different it's a different it's just a different you know ball to juggle and so we know what happened conclusively with all confidence and so that is the reason why I speak about the case and why I wrote the book about the case is because I believe the public should at least be informed as to what took place in the investigation what evidence we developed and how this all fits together but as far as prosecuting people and getting judicial justice in these cases it's never gonna happen that's done yeah the best thing we could have done you know rest in peace Afeni Shakur the best thing we could have done was at least let the family and their friends know what happened and many of those people have given us their feedback saying we've always known that was the truth the family and friends have told you oh absolutely not to be true yeah many of them when I spoke with with his aunt Gloria and I told her about the book and explained what was in it she said that's very interesting thank you for all your time and effort that we always knew that so and of course we know that Afeni Shakur had sued Orlando Anderson after the shooting claiming that he was the the shooter how much after almost you know within a year because he was going on at parties talking about I'm the one that killed Tupac yeah Keef he said why don't you stop talking exactly loud yeah he was he was boasting about it in the neighborhood so it was not a well-kept secret the people in the neighborhood in their inner circle they all knew that he was responsible for it but again it's very difficult to then get those people with any credibility up on the witness stand and prosecute successfully what are the chances of another thing like do you think we're at a point right now due to again social media where to start another East Coast West Coast type of stuffs pretty much mathematically impossible to do it today I do believe it is just because of technology sure you know back when Tupac was shot in Las Vegas there was no traffic cameras even the video that we see during the fight between these two at the MGM it's so grainy you can barely even make out images so technology's come so far you'd have cell phone videos traffic cameras all types of things that we could have utilized more effectively had we had that technology twenty years and it would have been easier to and faster to figure out who it was yeah if you had the technology we have today I believe so so how about Keef he did the fact that he's going around talking and he's you know saying a lot of different things right now in many different interviews can he get himself in trouble with Las Vegas PD going after him what are you saying absolutely so his initial confession to us was done under what's known as a proffer session it's a it's an agreement between his attorney him and his attorney and the prosecution in this case the US Attorney's Office where he can disclose everything he knows about a crime answer all of our questions truthfully but we can't use his own self incriminating criminais ting statements against him it's called kind of queen for a day you cannot use your own self incriminating statements against yourself you can't use it against the individual correct now that doesn't mean that he has immunity that just simply means he's he can't use his own testimony against him if other evidence or another people you so if a person says I did kill that person you can't use that against a person under the you conditions of this agreement this property make conditions of disagreement right not just the average person of course you know this agreement that he's made it's a particular agreement having to do with the fact that a bunch of narcotics yeah that makes sense and then and then a night to follow up which I'm sorry to interrupt but the statements that he's made publicly after that the ones that are not under a proper agreement he's gone on BET's gone on Vlad TV he's gone on all types of different platforms and tells the story about his involvement the involvement of his nephew this this story as I've explained it to you he's confessed to it multiple times now and we're all sitting here kind of dumbfounded why Las Vegas hasn't reeled him in and in dealt with him you're when you say we who is we you and everybody that's involved in this case yeah okay fan got it sure investigators got advocates for you know for these gentlemen so is that an indirect way of hinting to him that stop talking and just kind of go live your life and stop talking about the stories it's only gonna get one person in trouble and it's him no I'm talking about you know go out there and you know because again I think that the story that he's revealing is for Alton you know he put some little twists on it but you know he's ultimately explaining what happened I believe that Las Vegas PD and the LAPD based on the evidence that we have currently should clear the cases in set history right now these men their cases are not unsolved they're unprosecuted unprosecuted not unsolved unprosecuted how big of a difference is the personality between them two I mean I know they grew up in the same place how big of a difference in personality did they have quite quite different in person they they can both be somewhat charming you know sitting down and talking to ki fede he was cordial and respectful and and truthful but at the there's this whole other side to him as there is to him what makes these guys dangerous is not who they are it's who they know it's the guys that they can influence to go out and commit the crimes and do the shootings so you know these guys as shot-callers or dangerous by the nature of who they feel themselves yeah they called a shot somebody's got to go handle it right last think your F gary Gray what involvement does he have with this whole thank you so F gary Gray was producing a show called Straight Outta Compton basically the feature film showing the development and life of NWA he was going to have a character within this feature film of Suge Knight Suge Knight felt that he owes him money for using his image and so he began to show up at the set in Compton when they were shooting the feature and kind of threatening people around F gary Gray so F gary Gray and other people involved in the production they get a hold of a guy named Terry Carter they know Terry Carter he's one of those guys from the neighborhood everybody respects he's a guy that can go in and kind of mitigate a situation and so he goes and tries to meet with Suge Knight down at a hamburger stand not too far from the set and Suge Knight and another individual that came from the set a guy named clay Slone get into a fight clay is hitting showed through the window of his truck Suge backs up and runs over clay and almost kills him and then he pulls forward and runs over Terry Carter and kills him so you can pull this video up it's it's a very graphic video of him it is run over and killed ultimately he gets prosecuted for that vehicular manslaughter and receives a 28 year sentence what's he's currently serving and for all intent and purpose that's a that's a life sentence that's a life sentence for someone like him have you ever had to sit down with him face-to-face or no I've conducted tons of surveillance with him listen to phone calls with him and you know obviously seen all of his interviews but I've never actually sat down face to face with sugar when you do to surveillance as he sounded like a pretty firm guy meaning if he wants something to be done to people he's a tremendous manipulator okay tremendous manipulator nobody knows that better than Reggie right junior who's out there vocally talking about his history with death row his involvement with Suge Knight and you know he's uh you know he's got a really interesting story to tell also so let me ask a question a Greg at this point everybody here can anyone be litigated today that hasn't yet been not really the only the only possibilities I see is that these guys created work environments that led to their murders and so there is a you know there is a civil situation where when you create such a hostile environment within the workplace and then somebody suffers harm because of it that that's that's an actionable thing of course it would have to take his mother to kind of perceive that and see things that way but it's still a long shot not like it's a lot if they if they long shot if they couldn't do anything who's mother with the four hundred million and after all this it's probably going to be a long shot to do that it really is their keeping in mind that also that you know in in a criminal court you're trying to prove something beyond a shadow of a doubt in civil court the burden of proof is that much lower and it's just more of a preponderance of the evidence so what's to come next with you Greg with this story is this story pretty much done for you I mean obviously it turn into the book turn into a documentary turned into a series I know yet a couple scenes as the bartender in the Netflix area what's to come next with this story anything to expect not really you know like I said the majority of these guys have all met their demise and there's not much more to say about it we've got the bottom of it and I think we can conclusively and definitive if we say this is what happened to these two individuals and this is the historical factual case well I can tell you one thing I was in high school when this happened and I was a dying I mean I'm a die hard to park fan at the time as a kid we were listening to him I got him into painting and I've been on a flight with him before I almost sold him an insurance policy but the insurance carriers will never approve I had a meeting with him one time through one of my associates at the Beverly Hills Hilton and I said I can't sell this guy nations policy was gonna ensure sugar yeah you know it's a very interesting story and you know I know obviously a lot of time was put into it to investigate this so thank you for your service to do that and get to the bottom of it and tell the story and you know turn it into a book in a movie now and outside of that you know if you haven't watched the series on Netflix called unsolved if you haven't watched it one go watch it it's ten I think it's ten episodes an episode limited series yeah ten episode limited series and then on top of that if you haven't watched a documentary or the book we're gonna put the links to both of them below as well for you to go out there and check them out and outside of that you got any comments questions comment below but Greg we appreciate your coming out man this was great yeah this vigil was a very different approach absolutely yeah this is I think this is the most effective way to tell the story it's a convoluted and complicated story but at least this this helps to put faces to names and put it together I agree this is a complete different way of looking at it absolutely thanks for coming out absolutely hope you enjoyed the interview with Greg gating especially with the pictures that we put up there and bother we would love to hear your thoughts about this interview and what questions comes up you can either comment below or tweet me directly at Patrick Bay David I got two other interviews I want you to watch one of them is very deep wit freeway Rick Ross I think the last 30 minutes of it if you watch the entire interview go to the last 30 minutes of it it may be one of the most insightful interviews we had about how to change the perception and mindset of somebody that's raised in that community and the other one is vanilla ice believe it or not I said we've analyzed there was a conversation of Suge Knight putting vandalised over a balcony to toss him down and he kind of want you know who took some of his rights and I asked him the question of who I thought who he thinks that took out Tupac you should hear his answer very unique way he responds to the question I asked about who he thinks killed Tupac either way freeway Rick Ross on this side winner lies on this side you [Music]

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