TheViper vs Yo | WWC | Quarter Final #4 (Bo5)

here we are uh this is it this is the final quarter final the viper versio and as we've just been saying this could be a final both of these favorites sorry both of these players were favorites going into the tourney and i've just seen yo's doc well i've seen yo's doc and i also looked at the map and this is the only time i've ever seen with this map generation we do not have a land lock on one side it's close but it's not there you can dock block that but it's not there so well that is a first dave a viper's gone for the indians which is not a first for nomad we've seen it before but we're seeing more civilizations mixed in as we've eliminated four of the top picked civilizations going into the final weekend is this not going to be good for you or bad for you because i like it as koreans i like it as koreans because he's got four deep fish in there true true or no he's got five deep fish in there actually really good if you're going for a fast castle sort of sort of strategy because what are the odds that viper is gonna find that and realize it's actually a dock considering the size of that pond what are the odds that he's gonna invest so much into water fighting that back very good point and it also is going to be confusing for both players to not encounter landlock and that combined with the fact that viper is going to see some water in the middle and likely assume he won't find the enemy there he might not end up scouting it at all here that's an interesting map generation for sure let's take a look at what both players can see joe's scouting he's gonna find the rhino south of there so that's gonna help him immediately goes out for that perfect timing to find that and he only has the one goat uh that you start with to scout around so he's gonna have to use it wisely um usually if you only have one of them you don't want to spend time scouting the shoreline you want to find some rhinos first looks like he's found another rhino north so maybe he can scout how much of this pond he actually owns how much real estate he has he has to be kind of sweating at the moment seeing the shoreline and thinking oh god please please let there be fish please let there be fish there was a game and it's probably going to be hard for people to find it but i think it was between good luck and golden end where a player had a bigger middle pond and they just blindly went fast futile into double dock galleys and they didn't realize that they were in there on their own until they had eight galleys it was pretty sad but i think yo is going to figure that out and you will actually like this like you said dave yeah as long as he sees that there's other fish in here right yeah he almost you might want to come out with the fishing ship just to explore to see if you invest into three fish here or four fish or five fish before going for another dock just because you're unsure how many deep fish are actually in this pond he's gonna go up for that other rhino there viper also going for that rhino which villager gets there first i think yo but it could be doesn't see it piper doesn't know about it oh he's just heading right there and look there you go well that kind of sucks for viper because he's gonna have to take a longer trip now to find a rhino i know he didn't know it was there but there's not going to be another rhino close to this one so we'll see if he maybe notices that and changes up his strat a little bit another thing to bring up here dave is that viper uh and i think this is kind of his play as a whole over the last few years there's ever a game he's going to drop if there was ever a game he was going to look a bit weaker in it's usually game one uh first game of the day can can be a little slower for him so i think you should try and take advantage of that viper not seeing that dock yo actually noticing the house foundation viper not seeing the dock but he knows the rhino disappeared yeah and he can see that he can see the zebra moving around there because he looked back at that enough to see the zebra continues to move i feel like you assume a tc is there before you assume a doc is there well no yeah especially because the rhino got taken yeah and he saw the rhino there and he'll he'll see this rhino viper should notice that that's probably what he's looking for and he's fine for food right now he's got zebra he's got rhino underneath his tc he's got some sheep a little block uruski here just to guide this villager in and what do you think about viper's dock i mean it's not a bad dock because he can fish the whole outer circle if he continues to add more but it's a pretty good dock yeah it's not the best i guess compared to some other areas on the map redox he's gonna like it's gonna be perfect timing the fish wall expire he goes right to the corner right should be really good let's check his um point of view again yeah he had limited goats early in the game and i believe no he didn't give one to mr yo but he knows about the tc spot around there and he hasn't really scouted that much of the shoreline either so he's gonna be unsure on where to pressure with early feudal water pressure so he might just go for a fast castle build himself i feel like if you're up against koreans you've got to be expecting a fast castle build but we have seen koreans be competitive for water too so still a little tricky i just love to see yo go for war wagons go for a forward castle especially if he can get more scouting i don't know if he knows where viper's tc is dave but look where viper has to take his stone and gold that is brutal against koreans yep and i think it's definitely should be an fc play for mr yo yeah he's got five more villagers cued he's got seven fishing ships in this one little pond in the middle um and he's even going out uh to take the extra zebra so i think he's thinking along the same lines viper is already on the way up to the feudal age getting some food from the rhinoceros still hasn't found the dock from mr yo he's bringing his dockville to the middle dave is he gonna dock there or is he sending her home he must suspect something's going on there that's why i'd be trying to send her home that's weird to me and joe's gonna notice that villager well viper is a quick wall god so you have to be careful if you're yo no loom no loom on that ville by the way he went up with no loom isn't it normal for the dock villager to just re-dock for more efficient fish in the south here that's very odd that viper hasn't gone to gold at all is viper gonna go scouts is this gonna be the first scout rush we've seen in 1v1 uh game one nomad he does have a barracks there playing as the indian so saves a little bit of food on his villagers and he has a lot of food in the bank wow this is i mean it's a good strategy for nomad for everyone except for maybe the top 100 yeah like scouting on a nomad's key but also scout rushing can be good i just i'm surprised to see this when the meta has very much been about fighting for fish it won't be a concern yo lost the goat he didn't spot the stable and he's gonna chase this villager all the way back near the eco from viper viper i believe got loom yeah so he's gonna be able to push that villager from yo away yo also going up no loom yo walling to the right as well as viper adds a scout and this could be really bad for you because he still has 40 seconds roughly to the feudal age and he doesn't have loom yet and yo look yo it's trying to wall off here it's not gonna work i'd be surprised we'll know what type of shape you was in yeah it's gonna say we'll get with no lube um he'll know so viper will scout yeah he does and also this gives you a heads up that he can just wall up his resources which is kind of why we don't see a lot of scout rushing on nomad because players just do what yo is doing now scouts and towers work sometimes and yo is gonna finish the wall at the top does he finish that he does wow viper can't get in with the scout there's only one in the south and it's not gonna be able to do too much damage viper might actually run into the tc he does yeah and yo viper is there as well with the around the same amount of resources so good stuff yeah what i like about this reviver is he got damage in he got scouting intel he can confirm all of his suspicions and his macro behind this is still really strong to go castle age whereas yo is hoping that he can get to war wagons but this means he can't go for a forward castle anymore this means that he can't really move around with his villagers apart from maybe you know going out to those berries which viper will find a good map control and viper still has more scouts man he's got three scouts around here he's waiting waiting waiting for yo to expand with his economy as yo goes for quick walls around the mill in the north and what does yo open with yo made one galley yeah from his talk in the middle it's gonna be tough for him to place tc's anywhere around here it's gonna be tough for him to place a castle that's actually in a good position just because of these scouts yo i think viper will spot that yo is gonna over forge this bush that's a really bad quick wall you want to get a few more palisades down there viper's gonna i bet you any money he circles back to that there's 15 food on that bush any money two bucks i i every time i put money down i i i guess i had higher hopes for viper than i should have there but joe hasn't noticed that and uh viper goes in for the ville just toying with with yo at the moment and how do you think yo feels because viper's scouted everything piper knows exactly what yo is gonna do this is very annoying because if you're going fc with koreans you are banking on the fact you're gonna be there first and you're banking on the fact you're getting your castle in a decent location but it's gonna be really rough for him to get his castle in a good spot and get it down even safely in his own eco with these scouts around here viper goes in for the goat oh my god the goat killing the goat yeah that's actually really bad for you because he's about to run out of food underneath his tc and his fish is pretty inefficient at the moment so fish is gone he's gonna have to add fish traps behind this he has i mean he has to be fair he has enough wood he does also um viper and something i think you mentioned but just in case we didn't he did dock the north so he recognized this would not be a game where they would be competitive for water so he controls the land adds more water we now see the castle here for yo and viper will know what's coming now and yo is docking the side there which i think is great when you have 850 wood in the bank i think that's a good play even just for fishing chips even if they're gonna die yeah invest that wood into something right also needs to uh get access to that gold at some point if he goes out there the scouts will catch him also guess if he makes one wagon he should be able to secure it but one of the rare opportunities for turtle ships to do some damage here because viper doesn't have anything on water so if you get a couple turtle ships patrolling around viper he has one dock on the outer ring in the north and one in the south side don't think viper would actually invest into any water to defend that yeah you're adding some farms now actually using his wood it's been a rough it's been a rough game so far for you yeah i mean viper has had a minute and two seconds of idle tc time which is why yo is a little bit further ahead in the uh villager count but yo just now getting a turtle ship and he's running to or sorry sailing rowing to the south i don't know if that's actually rowing uh i feel like with the definitive edition they could have put that on the list you know it looks like it's hovering like none of the ship is in the water it's just kind of floating yeah no sails not really sure about that actually what's that thing never mind we should look back the camels uh the camels got to the berries there but yo has done a really good job of minimizing damage oh that's dude but yo had a good tz spot right next to that stone and viper was just patrolling back and forth over top of that dodging ballistics the camels are now in against the war wagons be able to kill a villager here second villager goes down dude that's no joke this goats are working on the wall yeah this is really good play for viper he is on one today oh my god three tc's for the viper it's all in one spot which seems like it could be bad if a lot of things go wrong but he not only killed villagers there but he delayed the town center it was on the fishing ships from viper he doesn't realize yet though okay now he realizes it's gonna take them out we're gonna try to yo also going for a tc over to the left side his fishing ships are working on the last available shore fish in the pond so he's gonna need to add fish straps behind this villager count still fairly even it's just all the pressure is from viper yo with a good quick wall actually on the uh on the tc because i don't see anything right now he's probably quick long wherever you saw are you on the berries i'm not a big fan of yo's tc on the left i think it takes too long to get that up and he doesn't have the protection but i guess if he gets it down he'll be uh a bit more pleased with the situation this is asking for trouble when viper has scouts it's asking for trouble and oh you need to quick ball there yo yo yo yo yo oh my god that was special indian indians indians destroyed you need to repair right away as soon as this is done you need to start repairing honestly that was so epic bro it was i thought he was doomed he waited till the last second same and he saved a war wagon up north too yeah it saved the villager on the berries too like viper's micro has been really good here but yo has been pretty good at uh stalling out any of the damage too and now viper is host yo is sitting at 39 villas 47 for viper yo cleared up the fish in the south and he's got the turtle ship now looping all the way around hovering its way around to the north i think yo is just a couple steps behind with economy though his fish aren't working in the middle so you can subtract that from his eco account viper's got both the wood and also the farm upgrade and the viper also realizing that he needs to heal up his army these guys are talking about the battle they just fought in and uh you know the monks could always be good against war wagons so viper i don't know how but he's actually about to go imp soon this is insane mackerel from him imp into what monk upgrades i think in into if he wants to get a castle yeah like castle to the north of yo and then go monks trebs i think could work well or maybe even this tc i don't know it's kind of you've got two good options his army is really out of position to deal with these war wagons that's true and i think yo he doesn't see anything here from viper good splits from viper grid i guess not splits because you can't split with villagers but you dodged the shots yeah i probably need to take a chance maybe and go under the tc's with the war wagons i would love to see guard tower just come forward and drop a tower on the stone you know the monasteries there he probably doesn't know that viper has four relics or three relics about to be four that's insane and look at the quick walls from yo viper gets in and we're maybe seeing the weakness of the wagons it takes so long to get them rolling and you also have to have them in one spot and viper just hitting the right positions this game oh my god viper also converted three wagons right there what oh my goodness come from where did the monks come from he had him with the with the relic there but what a turn of events so he kills villagers converts half the wagon army and now he comes forward with the castle this is viper's playing sick here yeah he also cleared up the turtle ship in the north wow that was uh there waiting to kill all the fish from mr yo so great stuff there from viper campbell's now distracting the wagons once again that'll give him time to get the castle down he canceled that foundation he's going to place it even closer he knows he's up to imperial age faster than mr yo and he's coming over with these war wagons now and the question for me is where does joe send these wagons because if he sends them over there there might be potential to deny this i think you go forward with guard towers right away you see this yeah i think guard towers are so much better as well it could be really bad for viper this could be really bad for viper yo it's going to go forward with the castle drops a castle now that could be trebbed if viper just deletes his own castle so i prefer to just follow this yeah just track it just track it and tower it or something he deletes his foundation and he's waiting he's like yeah i know i know you want a castle that should tell you that viper is faster or is up to imperial age as well yeah that's why i don't like a castle that's why i would prefer guard tower because you give viper a target viper use the war wagons he converted to take out most of the fishing ships as he does finally reach imp he still has the lead uh did get a good engagement against the wagons too it was kind of all in here dave he needs to find areas that are not protected by the castle and he could actually raid viper if he wants to well wagons working on the fishing ships now for mr yo that was a lot of investment into fish traps it's gonna be going down the drain wagon versus wagon is such a slow clear up there but uh he is going to push them away another turtle ship went down in the north to the fire ships so viper's fish is still safe after all this time and yo is still not up to imperial age that's just and it it's crazy because viper has spent food on his camels and his scouts whereas wagons do not cost food and yet here we are and viper was still able to macro his way to him another wagon converted i love the patience from viper here to not send his trebs after the castle and just avoid it he goes right back to the gold yo reacts immediately but this is a problem for you he needs to have wagons everywhere right now and viper keeps returning to that gold with the camels yep they're back there again continuing to harass yo he's found the dock on the right side so he's going to cover that off wagons from mr yo are going in i like tank fire from tc's i like this a lot i mean viper is gonna have to respond to this and odds are he doesn't have enough monks to deal with nine wagons and vipers brought his treb over and the wagons he converted the value he's gotten from these man he's gonna kill some bills on the left but i think yo could possibly circle some new wagons over there to deal with that and viper's camels still haven't killed any of these wagons but feels like eventually this has to end for yo yeah yeah tc's doing enough i guess good spot to sit there for mr yo though viper just deletes the house and now viper still pressuring that town center it goes down to the trebuchet and three wagons there mr yo calls the gg really well played there from viper and that's a scout opening that we haven't seen yet in this tournament it was so good i think the big thing for viper was he was able to realize the oh was fc and he was able to notice that he could just fish boom on the outside it's such a risky thing to just add fish freely he did that he scouted the map and yo played really well here you went into the war wagons yo had amazing quick walls and reactions to viper but viper was just one step ahead the entire game so um i mentioned viper can sometimes start off a little slow in a series it did not feel like that at all here no he was on fire with that micro with the scouts like he was diving in killing the goat under the tc kept running in there being annoying like microing them over top of where he knows the tc foundation is for mr yo to deny it it's all the little things he was doing and mr yo credit to him like the execution was there too with those quick walls that we saw from him early they were really really nice he just couldn't get a good position for his castle yeah the first castle and and that dictated the game honestly also the pond in the middle i mean he couldn't expand his fish either yeah maybe it kind of forced him to adapt a bit more than he wanted but honestly dave every other time we've seen someone just go fast castle and add fish they've never added scouts they've just waited to make knights or in this case camels and castle and then the castle's already on their face so just three scouts changed the entire game because joe had to build this castle next to his town center and viper was able to do what he does best and and macro it up ends the game with four relics and yo will take us to one of his home maps next that's a really good sign for this series that both players started out with that level yeah that was that was crazy yeah very very clean stuff and uh yeah we go on to yo's home map and i love his home maps here he's got houseboat and uh boundary brawl which are just two of my favorite maps in the pool yeah houseboat boundary brawl i agree with you i think that both maps have a tendency to give us crazy games that are unlike the previous one we've seen uh but there are some similarities of course there are some things we might be able to compare to the previous sets and we'll go in game two houseboat i see already that viper seems to agree with his teammates uh doubt and tattoo and he has gone for the malay i'm like 12 seconds by the way i would 12 seconds oh my god um i would suspect viper will go for the boomy approach rather than a forward dog approach similar to what doubt did similar to what we saw from sato earlier in the tournament and i'm ready to go dude all right cool yeah three two one go but yeah let's talk about that now for viewers who didn't see the doubt leary set uh you should already put that on your watch later list okay it was an amazing set and so we're going to reference a few things because of how crazy it was but in that game doubt invited the pressure leary invited the pressure and unlike all the other games we've seen on this map we didn't actually see players go forward to dock the opponent for a while so you seem to think that that would suit viper style here i think playing a little bit more defensively yeah okay yo says did you choose the server yes west india okay so they paused hopefully the issues resulted uh or resolved themselves okay i was i forgot about the house on the outside i saw viper's unbuilt house there for a long time and i was thinking it was gonna be house but you do start with one on the outside so it is fine viper start will be okay and let's yeah let's talk a little bit more about the malay i think as long as you keep your docks forward and they have the extra line of sight and you you're able to respond right away to any enemy aggression it can be really really strong but there's a couple things you need to do dog forward like i said respond right away and then wall up and you should be in a good position even against the mayans i feel like the other thing is is have your scout active because in dark age you never want to fight an eagle but you're faster than an eagle in feudal age you're much faster than the eagle and you wreck that eagle so it's actually very easy for you to just have free reign over the front of your base with your scout um and honestly just thinking stylistically here i feel like both players might end up giving us a game similar to what we saw with leary and what we saw with doubt because a viper's king at sitting back and just fishing and he loves this malay i think he he will be able to balance that out and then b uh yo should probably want to do that with mayans like what we've seen with mayans has been defense walls and plumed archers so that's kind of what i'm thinking and it feels weird and i feel like it's easier for me to say that both players will just sit back because we saw it in the previous quarter but i don't know it kind of makes more sense i think this lumber camp tells you that both players are going to sit back from mr yo what is going on with this one yeah it's pretty far back there and usually we see the lumber camp along these wood lines maybe he just doesn't want to get it messed up with his mill or mining camps or whatever he's got it back there and he's gone for the dock on the inside ring which is something we don't see that often at this stage in the tournament we saw it in earlier rounds but i think players have realized that they want a dock on the outside to gather the fish because the fish in the middle are going to be gone anyway the thing the thing that sucks about it is sometimes your fish are closer to the center island in this case that's what yo spotted um but i i'm with you i personally would prefer to see viper's position where he can take 400 more food from the other dock and i think that's worth it so who's the best player in the world with malay i mean clearly viper probably a bad time to ask the question it's a little obvious but dude do you remember that one in the fair sips cup him herron and viper and viper had literally i think he had no villagers left on the map oh on the team islands on islands yeah i do remember that yeah yeah that was a crazy situation i think three and a half hours into that game hera realized that microwaving two galleons against it wasn't really a winning condition and he gave up okay i've never seen this before yo is not sending any buffaloes underneath his tc yeah he's sending them out to a mill that he's gonna build here i dude i feel like if viper were to scout that a he could take the buffalo and then b if the buffalo are close enough to yo or they don't switch viper would just kill them with a scout that seems so risky he's he's got six of them now it's like so big number that's a lot of buffalo to have making me hungry here man oh my god well let's see let's do the math here six times 150 that's uh 900 900 1000 food something like that plus the deer plus an elephant close by i mean again another indicator here that maybe we see fast castle for him is viper with a second dock in dark age yeah he's going for the big fish boom and he's uh he's gonna have a crazy line of sight with these docks i'm surprised he hasn't set it up on the front side because they'll have no warning yeah fio is coming over here and i wonder if yo is going to come over it's pretty late now to send any bills i think yo with that mill in the back and whatnot is just gonna play this pretty defensively i honestly feel like this right here the fact that we're in the quarterfinals the final weekend and we see this big of a shift in two quarter finals is one of the biggest standouts to me in terms of meta changes because i'm thinking other ones we obviously see different sieves but the difference in civs has to do with some of the rules on when they can use certain things but i don't know if there's been another map where players have adjusted to this degree because we've went from full feudal all in from every single player to just no i'm not gonna do anything have fun pretty crazy i guess set up that dock there not to make fishing ships just to get access to the shore fish and make his his fish a little bit more efficient like it's an extra 50 food over a mill yeah but it affects your villagers and your and your fish and chips so well if he doesn't scout a villager coming forward right now he's sending two bills right now i think he is he's gonna go for a third dock dude i think he's gonna go for a third dock yeah and he's simply yeah so he's on gold so if he needs to make fires he can but if he doesn't see anything he just adds more fish i wonder if he was against any other civ but mayans would he do the same build i think the answer is no to that or at least i don't think he would assume as much i think it's fairly easy for him to assume that yo would want to play defensive here is he gonna find these water buffalo okay yo is pulling them towards this is it is it yo commanding the buffalo to come closer or is it the buffalo scared of the viper they come either it still seems really bad to me i don't know um but viper is bleeding right now yeah it doesn't make sense like at least keep a few of them on there for the times that you know you need to forget to move your transport ship yeah yeah like right now just have a few buffalo and all your villagers instantly go to work yep now yo is going to stone yo is making market blacksmiths so he's thinking about clicking up and viper keeps adding fishing chips and he's going to add fish traps once all this fish is gone and he's gonna have a lot of food eco that means that he can allocate his villagers that would be on food onto other resources so he should have better production granted it does cost quite a bit of an investment to get all the fish traps yeah but if you if you know you won't be docked right if you if you keep a constant eye on it you're never like remember when it has happened to doubt that was under pressure and then it started to fall apart but the way he's placing his docks he can see everything with the malay vision and he has a scout to always snipe a villager so it really doesn't feel like it's realistic for yo to ever do anything here well do anything now he could have done something earlier when viper had both the knocks at the back well i guess it's just i mean just theory crafting more it's just so tough to justify going forward against malay yeah because they advance so fast so you just don't do it and you think about plumes could you make an argument here for yo scouting all of this stuff seeing all the fishing ships from viper he's on stone right now he sees all the duck like send the party get a castle on the shoreline there honestly i don't hate it i i think that it doesn't suit mayans like if you had koreans again you know it's perfect it doesn't suit mayans because mines want to sit back behind castles and go for eco but i think at some point you want to get stuff onto this pond like you need stuff on this pond and if you get a castle there you can at least get some docks well i guess another argument against it is you're not you are terrified of malay eco to an extent but you're not terrified of malay options if you're mayans yeah this is match so you probably just want to go plumes regardless ooh sees this picking out a little villager here there's a yo moving the water buffalo just why would you ever bring them out there and viper's gonna this is so dumb dude like no he's not gonna find that no he will and he'll either take them or he'll kill them as we said a long time ago [Laughter] funny dude that's so funny and he's gonna let him get this one and then loop back and kill it that's like minus 500 food it makes zero sense to me yo that's so funny i was just gonna say before this there's a part of me that wanted viper to find them but there was a part of me that very much didn't want him to find them because of how frustrating it would be but his scout is actually trapped back here dave and yo is going to go for a little oh quick wall wow wow that was insane dude if i'm yo right now i'd be like how does it feel you know how does that taste eat it you know do you remember oh he's going forward tristan he's doing it yeah he's doing it let's go classic mr yo okay and that's because he killed the scout from viper yep so viper will have no idea mr yo what can he see he sees both of those docks i think you get it set up on that hill right beside the berries it's on the dock there if there's any fish traps the viper is set up there you will be able to kill them you'll be able to dock in front of that castle if you want to i okay so if yo was a little more patient here and and scouted that tc which i don't think he will for viper he should switch his castle spot but he's gonna just place it right away and now what do you do if your viper do you make navy just to hold the back docks and the potential for fish traps he's making some galleys but it's gonna be tough because i don't think you can deny these docks anyway with that castle there yeah you're not gonna be able to deny the castle like war galley will not be in fast enough fletching won't be in fast enough the ships won't be out fast enough i have to say viper's eco looking juicy right now he's got 11 fishing ships it's unfortunate that some of the fish traps are kind of close to where the docks will be but he has uh three tcs and then he has the uh yeah the third tc just completing as well as a pretty solid wall off on the right side yep the real purpose of this castle guys is to give mr yo an opportunity to get on um viper's pond also if you're gonna be getting fletching and bodkin that helps your ships and your plumes yep so you could always just loop a few plumes around and that's gonna be the concern for viper constant attention on water and you never want to over invest into your own pond and then also constant attention on land as he's at a siege workshop and he's going to go for some siege already piper is going to have to invest so much to keep yo off this water well you don't need to keep touching him please yeah yeah like if he doesn't get those upgrades you will actually lose the yes yeah what do you think about the tc in the middle there for yo right behind the castle well he had his bills there anyway yeah okay pops out with two fires this is a surprise to me i'm surprised he popped out so early i thought he would just wait it out but viper didn't have vodka yet so maybe he realized that viper loses two ships and again how much does viper want to invest this is almost like what we thought viper would do in futile just sit back and try and judge how much he needs to make to defend i think you just go around and kill the fish traps here just kill ignore the fishing ships just kill the fish straps yeah also you know just the the other thing you have to remember is this isn't going to be pretty for you because he's just going to patrol some stuff in and he's going to focus mainly on his economy and at home he's doing all right there actually has more on food than viper does 50 vills versus 60 i think i would prefer the mayans position obviously like you know you have to compare the players too but i think if i'm mayans putting pressure on the malay fish the etc eco the ability to make them darchers i'm feeling good like this is military that viper's investing in that can never hit yo zico yeah yo now goes for fletching that's good he's going for a demo ship man there's some juicy demo areas that he can take out fishing ships and traps does a demo one shot a fish trap i would assume so what's the hp on a fish trap 50 fishing ship 60. yeah it should kind of funny how joe's taking the elephant in the middle now i love the amount of adapting players have to do and oh there's the demo and viper actually does end up taking a shot but he has his own demo and man viper's got so much here oh my god viper loves fish dude he is not going to give this up actually a manganal too from mr yo i thought i heard a villager he sees the elephant villes and he just hit oh man that could have been so much worse for yo the eagle is there from yo he doesn't realize it's there but it is and uh this mangano on the other side from mysterio is still harassing the tc from viper yeah that's that's double mango as well viper closing it on the stone to build a castle but he doesn't have anything beyond just his own siege that's actually gonna get pushed back by villagers from yo nice job piper making a barracks now what does he go into here does he make a stable he's got a siege workshop in the north but no military buildings in the south okay goes for a stable and in classic mr yo fashion well viper is fighting somewhere else mysterio has a manganal on one of his tc's yep it's just like vintage mr yo right always pressuring somewhere always holding you in your own base and then booming up behind at least in the games where he finds success and he's still making fire galleys in the pond here viper forced to go into so much navy to hold on to this uh fish trap real estate i feel like look at the confidence from viper i think he's intentionally letting never mind this can't be intentional he's not getting himself and letting himself lose that tc well my thought is he realizes there's no plumes or monks so he would send in knights and mop it up and you know he's going for a castle on mysterio's oh god he's going for a castle and mystery occ in the middle and if viper's thinking about this he'll go in with the knight on the right side at the same time you'll probably not be able to react to both areas let's see what joe sees first he sees the siege dave he doesn't react yet to the castle this timing's perfect for viper he sees it he's dropping a tower but viper's sending more hills over here yeah you need more than one tower that's that's too many bills yo should cancel this i think he's concerned with getting the manganals out too i think that one if he gets it back to the castle might survive no the castle shots miss and two manganals go down castle will go up from viper look at the food count for viper right now and explain that to me fish straps uh is it all fish traps though he's got 13 fishing ships he's got 43 on food like his farming eco is insane and he's about to go imp and yo i mean he's not even close here i don't think you will be able to go imp in like 20 minutes i think yo needed a second castle somewhere yo has a lot of fire oh my goodness where did they come from oh geez i think he needed to keep instead of like six on stone he needed like 10 on stone yeah as soon as he got that first castle up and then use those villagers for it to make a second one somewhere i mean you could also argue as he's possibly going to take viper off of water now and it would have been more beneficial to have plumes in the middle and fires on the water because that castle from viper only happened because joe didn't have any plume support piper's still doing a good job to hold here yeah and viper still i mean he's he's brought yo into a position where he wants to clear up water it's still not happening oh that night is going to be so annoying in the back of your space good reaction though from yo he's got to get something back there dave he's got three plumes he is fletching he doesn't have bodkin his castle's in the middle of the map he is moving around towards viper though in the south viper's gonna have to deal with this and the knight goes down for viper so maybe still a chance for yo here down 13 eco unable to do damage to the fish will unfortunately lose a tc in the middle too as he added another one is taking another elephant and yet another goal he can wipe up the navy now from viper if viper doesn't keep producing he is of course producing viper has really prioritized this pond really really has i mean he got ahead on eco there and he's managed to hold against all the fire or fire ship pressure yep for mr yo he's in imperial age now he goes for a trip and he's gonna immediately start wiping up that castle um viper might be trying to do another one yeah viper might be thinking a little too far ahead here yeah that's not gonna work with plumes there a little awkward and a little sloppy as finally we're seeing dave what could have happened with plumes right like he created plumes so late well if he if he made plumes it didn't go for the the siege workshop and simply went for another castle to break in yeah i think it could i think this could have worked while you kept the the fire ship numbers up and kept pressuring viper on the water but he went for the siege approach instead of all that this is uh i have to say an awkward spot for viper at the moment considering he's an amp but he still has the lead don't get me wrong you never want to go imp into cav armor with malay yeah i mean he is going to take out the castle of course and yo is going to get mega housed but yo is on the way to imp at least so there is that okay so viper's food count has gone down significantly i think that's because a lot of his food count was actually him taking elephants and deer not because he had 40 farms now what does yo do you can't go into plumes here because you're going to lose your castle yep feels like you just have to go into eagles i guess i don't know he doesn't have any food in the bank he's only got 16 on food right now he's got 1300 wood maybe he can drop some farms he's going into monasteries oh this is gonna be really rough for mr yo i i think you have to try and continue to go plumes because going eagles just gets shredded by viper having double castle like karambit warriors are such a cheap unit and you also have the the fallback to go force levy where you have minute arms or long swords or sorry i can't say the right unit uh two-handed swords thank you that only caused food so i think you have to go plumes and he's gonna fall back i love this castle for yo because if he built it more forward viper would target that viper cues up more fishing ships yeah and now you if he gets a castle next to his shoreline he should honestly delete his navy just get rid of the pops oh yeah 100 100 or just get harbors and go forward and make harbors on yo's pawn democracy yeah whatever it's called and the ostc will go down that's not his mtc but that's the second tc he'll lose here and he still doesn't have army dave and even if he has plumes he's not gonna have enough castles to produce more viper has double castle soon triple castle maybe quadruple castle where he can just go karambits and viper this is like his first real attack on yo's base this game i think the the choice for mr yo to go 3tc behind that forward castle was a bit of a mistake it's just too much of an investment with the siege and everything like that yeah i think the water pressure the castle was good the water pressure was good it was just too much to ask for i i think what i would have preferred to to see is the uh is the pound archers is what we said you're not scared of the malay eco as much as you are or sorry you're not scared of the malay um units at all if you make plumes and he just didn't prioritize the plumes we saw kind of some opportunities for the plumed archers near the tail end there but as viper's just taking out building after building here it's 150 pop for him and this is before he's even in his final form like he could he could have castles all over the map at this point 12 army for yo played so well to get here obviously beat slam piper's teammate crazy series that one was but viper has just not looked touchable so far this series he's got everything he needs here dave the only thing he's missing is maybe a few technologies yeah yo does have a lot of reds in the bank viper getting elite karambit like how often do we see that upgrade it's never it's probably the first time in at least the later stages of the tourney yeah first player to to actually not win with malay because doubt did against miguel but i mean take it to this stage against mayans and look good and there's the harbors tristan no way so phthalo i think it's thalassocracy's coming in do the docks turn into harbors they will fire arrows he's gonna add skirmishers behind this i believe is it skirms or is it herbalist behind this he's getting the archery ranges down and it is going to be skirms so it's going to be elite karambit warrior skirmisher against plum darching we can see from this engagement how well the karambits uh do against the plumes if the plumes are allowed to micro but mr yo is gonna have bigger things to pay attention to soon as this castle is still being trapped down in the north there trying to build up this blue marcher mess trying to get chemistry to get all his upgrades but viper is already on his pawn he's going to make cannon galleons here this is gonna have the harbors to retreat to and there's a line of castles down the middle too wow there is no doubt in viper's mind that this game is over right now yeah the elite cannon galleon is completely unnecessary but also very much necessary if you want to tell yo yo dude this is not your day today um and it works too i mean he will go after the castle but this is crazy viper's doing everything the plumed archer is getting some good kills against the karambits but yo can't push no can't do damage to viper's eco can't do anything about this right now yo it's not going to give up just yet i mean is that 97 bills he has plumed archers but the cannon gallants you can't stop it and yeah he calls the gg well played there from viper i like the idea from yo um but i also love the the hold on water from viper if viper had lost the pond there yeah i think this game would have turned out completely differently because suddenly he can't deal with the siege push with his navy which he stalled it out with um he has to build the castle at home i think on the shoreline and uh it's it's just a completely different story the investment into water there from viper saved him i'm i'm curious on what would have happened in two instances i'm curious if joe would have made his castle forward if he wouldn't have killed viper scout i think he probably would have made it more defensive than made more plumes i'm also curious on if after the forward castle was up if you kind of you know forced viper into some defensive stuff on water and then just focused on the sides with plumes yep uh i think both of those things it's easy for us to say but maybe would have prevented viper from expanding certainly would have prevented viper from being able to drop that castle on yo's middle tc or don't even go for that middle tc yeah save the res go for a second castle somewhere around but but honestly dude like you know i we concluded king of the desert recently which was an incredible 1v1 arabia tourney and i was just saying the whole time like this is peak viper peak viper has returned you know no question marks over his wrist how tired he is whatever and like watching this man i mean joe's playing well and viper is just soaking up the pressure and doesn't seem to be bothered by any of this it's really incredible hey let's see if we can see another reverse sweep yeah true true i mean it didn't look good for doubt earlier today viper had more of every resource by the way he had 3k more gold uh 1300 more stone there and then 8k more food in that game that was insane someone said it all comes down to the cows [Laughter] all right well game three will be on the final home map for yo and he's gone with boundary brawl more than any other player uh he went with boundary brawl against hera he also went with boundary brawl against slam and for boundary brawl i've seen it now dave he's going to go berbers and the viper is going to go chinese his very first so he went he went celts against slam and then did he he picked it against hera too right he had he actually had berbers against hera oh okay yeah yeah it was i think berbers versus mayans in that set well i'm ready to go when you are yep cool and i'm looking forward to this one three two one go we have yo against viper game number three here folks thank you for tuning in to wandering warriors cup round of eight and uh we have berbers against chinese now chinese are going to be good here because they get the extra villagers as soon as the tc is up and you can put those right onto the hunt um so you get the food income pretty quickly that means you can start creating more villagers as soon as possible which is usually the chinese problem however you are going to have less wood so viper's going to need to probably take these regular trees a little bit and he won't be able to get a dock down too early so no early fish for him likely yeah let's see with chinese it's all about will they take any significant damage wait hold on viper's place to gate preemptively uh yeah that's not gonna do anything and yo is gonna go for both oh my god yo could lose a ville here dude yo needs god's your god tier micro here as he goes to just casually build the dc yo he loses one and it could be more yo and viper can see this as well viper probably won't signal it because that would be rude but this is oh my god no yo no no that's not how this ends that's not how this ends that is not how this ends that's that's up there with one of the saddest finishes to a series we have seen and to be honest dave yo trying to do way too much there like it's tragic it's absolutely tragic but he deserves it he deserves it he's trying to do that when the tc's not even up and then sending the bag to build the town center while it's being attacked and it's in her rear end by a rhino yeah so here's the here's the thought process because i understand this won't be the most popular finish there's only four rhinos in the middle and so he wanted to snag two of them that were kind of further away so viper would only have one and yeah he just if he waits another second there even i think he's in trouble because you have to kill them somehow um well not what we would have wanted to see obviously yo played amazing in this tourney he he also had a really tough road you think of who he faced up against he faced up against slam he faced up against hera he beat both of those players and then goes out to viper 3-0 but i mean expected to say a little bit more about this game dave so i guess i'll just reiterate the point we said five minutes ago viper looked really good today also final point wouldn't he have read this one well so you do have one restart before four minutes and you could technically call the restart it doesn't say that you have to call the restart based on map gen or anything like that but if i had to guess i would say that since we don't cast the wreaths because it's a waste of time i already used one if it most likely he already used to restart earlier on that or he just didn't want to call for that reason if your opponent can see you doing this if it happens like there might be an argument for just all right i'm out like like i highly doubt anyone's gonna have a lot of confidence they can come back when viper's in this form i i feel really bad for you uh here i feel great for viper because and i feel great for the tournament because viper looks like he's on fire right now um but i saw things in that first and second game that's telling me yo was playing really well i agree and then this one is just a tragic way to go out and uh viper moving on to the semis he's going to match up against is it tattoo viper will move on against tattoo oh it will be viper tattoo semi-final tomorrow and it will be winchester doubt semi-final tomorrow also just clarifying with carzini uh cuzzini was not told so that the players will play their games if there's an issue it's passed along if there's wreaths they don't have to like tell crizzini you know cassini gets brought in if there's an issue cuzzini says yeah he assumes that yo used his restart earlier so you

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Published: Mon Feb 07 2022