The One Without 'Wants' Is Free

[Music] [Music] you all namaste welcome everyone to satsang today here in Monte sahaja the sound is ok it's a little echoing for me this sound is OK at the back and outside you can hear ok they just wants to have an indication first before I go how many people are absolutely new to Samsung yeah okay does it mean that you you have no idea what it's about okay because I feel these things a little bit and so therefore there are people in the room who are very very much familiar not just familiar familiarity not enough but who through being with satsang for some time they are what they're not merely learning something but more refining themselves in being and so it will be quite mixed mix it's always mixed that sometimes very diverse very extreme mixture if you have never been to satsang before it it is okay because you may be under the impression that you don't know what I'm speaking about at least your mind might feel like that so for those who are really new I would just encourage you just to be just to be open and and don't ask questions too quickly maybe just allow yourself to arrive here a little bit in the meantime I will go to those who are a little bit tomorrow never clear a feeling what kind of questions and I'm going to be engaged with today more not so much about domestic and personal questions we are going beyond that and you will see why gradually as you as you get more attuned with the vibration of these meetings you will come automatically to feel right where you are in this I'm just I'm addressing those who may be you know not been to satsang before okay so we had some answer before who is it and was up somewhere you are taking No you know love you too I never knew a love like this existed before I met you thank you I was with UNC mom and so my question has to do with the what is the essence [Music] my experience is that when you ask us when you invite us to explore the what is and you open that space for us I'm one of the people that go right there yes I feel it I to it the space and the emptiness and the timelessness and then it seems that as the exercise ends that it doesn't take much time I'm not established in it it feels like some people say they're established in it and it doesn't fade well I know it doesn't it doesn't fade but I seem to go away from it and then I feel lost in my mind and I'm not sure the path to go back or the I've tried different techniques but still it seems a slippery slope yes supposing if I get it could think of an example now supposing you you are always suspicious about your parents okay you are seven we are three meters tall and they are one meter tall both of them okay and you are blonde and there are black haired okay and you don't seem to have anything in common except that you're alive together and you're they're very kind and they treat you well and everything but if something that doesn't I don't feel somehow and so then they never understood me that's not so unusual but something was not sitting right inside but and this goes on for years and years and years you have thought of them as your parents you say when they swindle when the mom speaks she says yes mom and I will do that mom sorry mom and when that speaks you say yes dad I'm so sorry and I will do that today and so on so and so so that relationship is established but there's still something a bit not complete you see you have brothers and sisters and they're all one one-and-a-half meter taller oh but you are like nearly three meter tall okay and they all look like mom and dad except you and their behavior is similar or something like that okay and then one day you're out shopping and you bump into somebody you know and while you're shopping and yeah they look at your sister are you from around here and you say yes I am it's amazing you have this amazing look of some people that I know may I forget about you say no no please tell me about it remember so no no no it's a very strange story because we know where I live we know one couple when they were in hospital some mix-up happened and the mother was given she feeds the wrong baby and this is about 25 years ago I'm 25 and somehow maybe I shouldn't talk about no no please tell me about it where where's this place I want to owe your intro I why you interested I don't know I just my went to do you know you tell me something about these people well actually I know them and can I take a picture of you and I'll show them just for curiosity's sake as a matter of fact I've got a picture of them and then they show this picture you say oh my god you look so much alike so much alike so he says look I'm going back there and I'd like to take you just don't have any expectations no hopes but I want to take you just to say hello but don't hold up any hopes in your mind and you travel back and then you meet them and everybody is in silence total including yourself and then it turns out that you are their child because you don't exactly like them you see can you imagine that so many things are falling into place and they're full of love and the whole family want to meet you and everybody's you find out before you were broke you had no money and now these people are multimillionaires and everything is at one okay so this happens now and you are totally happy but you have to go back to your other family so you go back to the other family can you forget these ones that you just discover can you forget them will you forget where they live how to find them no in this story I'm telling you it's very tiny story compared to what you discover this is a very very because I had to make it up in the moment you know so it's a very very small it's not the best you know but what you have discovered yourself when we spoke in Zima and many of you also because it is very unusual that in this type of gathering so many people came to that recognition just like you okay many of you are here or not yes yes you also lost it it's faded somebody's going is that a pianist or something that is okay I'm not trying to make you feel bad I don't feel bad good I'm curious curious yeah so we want to find out what has happened with you you made the most profound discovery in my view the most profound discovery in all of our lives everything that you have experienced everything that you have seen everything that you have sensed everything that you believe everything is passing everything is passing coming and going coming and going coming and going okay it's true or not even the most beautiful experience all you want to have more but it also pass have you ever seen or experienced anything at all that hasn't passed even the idea of yourself is passing everything is passing and then recently you came into the direct recognition of something something that I ask all of you can this pass and you said no this is amazing all our lives some people 25 years old some people 50 some people 70 some people 16 and they all answered them all over the world they're from all over the world and they're all answered it cannot pass it cannot die they say there is no time there's no distance from what I am and what that is do you all said this I remember and then what happened that that which you yourself confirmed cannot pass and it's not an ideology is not the philosophy I'm not asking you to believe in something you experience directly you didn't have to see if anyone else experienced you were strong enough in your own experience to say yes it's like this it cannot go it cannot fade there is no time there it is timeless cannot die it cannot go because it never came it's always been here when have you ever spoken like that before about anything in your life you spoke like that before and now I am very curious and very happy in some way and not happy because you feel you've lost it but happy for the chance of looking what has happened with you that you now feel somehow it doesn't feel the same anymore you you rightly say it must be the same it hasn't moved but I have moved okay on that day when you were looking the question was put to you is it different from you and you say no it is not different from what I am but I when I say I I feel like the active witness I am all the experiences are being reported to me which means that the same thing must be true of the what is you are the what is I was calling it the what is because we didn't want to use the usual words that people have trouble with my god or the Supreme Being or parabrahman or nos and just just call it what it is because we couldn't find another way to describe it it's just that which exist and you say yes it's the same so then you say and then so take me through the and then again now when they when did and then begin it was it almost feels like a cloudiness okay support let's start dear feels like a cloudiness like a cloudiness has come and it's clouded over and what is is it true no no cloudiness would just be another sensation experience of cloudiness now cloudiness is perceived what it means means of cloudiness is perceived that's all and then some thoughts will come some thoughts are arising in the cloudiness and the thoughts arising they're also perceived meaning that like anything else you didn't stop perceiving things come and go you know the difference between the things that come and go and that which does not go it's joy not it's even more clearly than before before you had no reference for anything that you have experienced in your life that did not go everything you experience was going yesterday went this morning came and went friends come and go memory comes and goes objects come and go imagination come and go family come and go everything is coming and going thought come and go feelings come and go so thoughts now still coming and going what is the terminal is it possible that so it feels like the cloudiness and the thoughts start to preempt a space they they start to almost fill it up is it is it possible that I have a misperception if that's not supposed to happen that there's not supposed to be anything inside the what is that well in a way what you saw nificent about the what is ness is that everything must appear in it and disappear in it so I have a misperception that it remains empty everything appears in it and disappears in it and all the while it remains empty so when things appear in it yes that's just to perceive it's not a problem I'm making it a problem and it's not a wait wait maybe even the functioning of perception even the functioning of perception is perceived the fact that you know that like right now you know your conscious isn't it everybody knows I'm conscious right now I'm in the waking State and I'm conscious I'm conscious of many people here in this place and we're speaking about this and I'm feeling a bit uneasy or I'm feeling very comfortable I'm feeling a bit agitated I'm feeling a bit confused whatever the feeling is there's awareness of that feeling that feeling will soon go but some people may even taste an appealing like some agitation is here but they're not concerned about it and because they're not deeply concerned about it they're not identified with it it doesn't register deeply in the consciousness it doesn't leave any lasting impression it's just a sensation like everything else it comes and goes in the space of perceiving maybe some feelings came and those feelings feel like they're from the old state the old way of thinking and feeling is arising you see and so I must be the same old person feeling them and now I have lost the what is but the what is is not a feeling can I say like this for those of you it is not merely a feeling because if it's a feeling feelings come and go normally human beings we are looking for something some kind of experience that we can feel this feels really good this tastes really good oh this is really enjoyable or that is really intense these are sensations and we are we love experiencing diversity this is sweet this is bitter this is colleges this will we love experiencing in fact bitter or sweet we love it but this that is isn't an experience like other experiences it's not coming through the senses who follows yes it's not just coming through the center or that taste nice I can't say the what is taste nice it it's not it's it's it's tasteless actually I can't say that or it is round or that it is very long because it is not any of those things it's not reporting through the highs for the first time you were seeing something but not with these normally when we say we see something I can see something here what did you see with with your heart that you saw yes and when you speak from your heart how strong you are how clear you see it you are not saying I think I believe you are saying it is so that is power and all of that right now today seems as though it's not quite so as it was a few days ago today is what Sunday maybe a few days ago would have been Wednesday or Thursday or Friday what does that mean in the what is nothing nothing so I want you to look and what it is that is that is is it not just a thought it's a belief it's a belief it's a some belief in that old state you know being intruding yes and let's look at belief because belief is a very powerful thing in a human kingdom belief hmm but belief change is also it come and go true or not yes so it is also a sensation it is also something phenomenal something that appears and disappear so don't take it like belief is a kind of fact that is something true we believe all kinds of things and many of them are not true so the fact that we believe something if you believe and you insist on your belief if you really take it deep down you will kind of believe it into existence and it becomes your experience I believe the belief came and then the mind grabbed it okay and then it mind says oh it's contaminated this space is kind of now it's these are really good pointers in tannin suppose belief arose okay inside which it can do and then the mind or the person grabs the belief are you trapped in that bubble that's scenario are you chopped in the bubble of that or are you outside of that I'm seeing that I'm outside of that yes because that whatever that's going on that was some pass and when it passed will you have passed you're still here to say ah that's gone now so it cannot be you we need to find out what this is because it's a strong thing whatever it is because the what is when it is recognized is there anywhere where the what is this absent from no your you answer no there's nowhere that can exist where the what is is not yeah okay okay and yet there's something it's inside here that's saying yes something's changed something has changed and that change seems significant enough to make me feel I've lost it so what is that change it must be something some atomic power in myself just like you can use your fingernail and cover the Sun one thought it'll conceived can cover your intuitive recognition of your heart you can do it so what is this thing that appears to be hiding the what is and hiding it from who hiding it from who from you and you are what and where I am what is I'm everywhere Oh things have changed I am happy you speak because just like this and she's right also just like this you have to get used to you're gonna have to get used to the the craftiness the cunningness of the personal mind because of this mind this mind has a power to create the sense of delusion and we the consciousness also are believing in in the different play of the mind and if you believe in them then it's like each one is like a little drug like if you take alcohol it will have a certain kind of feeling in the body if you take some what a drug it will have a different feeling in the body like each concept believed in is giving a different little vibration given you a little it okay but we are so used to that it it's shaping the way you think and the way you feel and who you think you are is gradually being shaped by your thoughts and and what you believe is true and the mind is not stable so many of the things we believe also keeps changing because in that realm everything is checked nothing is steady all your life some would even say all your lives maybe this is not your only and first life maybe this is many lives your lives you haven't forgotten like you forgot last Wednesday last Monday what were you doing last Monday exactly okay if you can't remember last Monday what about you know last year Monday under the Monday of April whatever date where mmm you can't remember then other lives forget about it we don't even know yet that does so everything is passing everything is passing what is the continuity then for the first time some of you came to recognize the isness of existence that's not a small thing what it means the isness of existence where everything everything every feeling every thought every seed of memory the idea you have of who you are and what this world is our belief systems and different structures different religions whatever it is arises from and it's perceived from that is that a small ting can anybody hide that how many people here does not know what we are talking about in terms of this invitation to discover the what is can I have a see how many people is for the first time hearing about this this recognition of what exists okay they see one hand but yet I saw that there are many hands who are coming for the first time yeah I don't know what to make of that one only in person oh can I put a question again differently I asked when before how many people are coming for the first time and a number of hands went up so that may be a different response then how many people are experiencing satsang for the first time experience am october who have just been to monte sahaja but you have never you don't know this subject of what we are speaking and how did you come to find out about it here what drew you to come here anybody brave enough to say yes so you have seen yeah yes what I mean if you watch it on YouTube I count you in if you have watched my talks on YouTube it means that you even better you have ever a grasp what I'm talking about you know we're not talking about football you know yeah you know ha yeah this is what he talks about so again is there anybody who have not at all don't know what they're doing here at all right you don't know why you came no no it's good it's good it's good you were cycling with your friends you're hitchhiking okay okay yeah it's good it's good it's very very good okay the important thing is that you feel comfortable to be here you know you're fine yes very good the friends are okay too one said if you went like this is okay if you went like this I don't know if you're okay okay we're okay you're good okay good this is valuable thing what you have just shared with us because it shows that until and this is the reason why when so many people came into this experience and perhaps I may share it again if you're open to that but so many people came to a recognition of something very profound and that it could could it be forgotten can it be lost in tune no no nothing like that can happen and yet after a few days something has happened and the feeling is it's not the same like it was the few days ago we need to know why is that suppose you found the most important thing in your life you think wow this I'm so happy I found this and then two days later you can't find it it's disappeared you want to know where it is isn't it if it's something that is of value to you so this is why and we are going to use these reports and to find out what can have happened if you found something which is for you the most important discovery why because it will put an end gradually to all your all your delusions and confusions and any kind of negative energies playing inside will start to rectify you see where they come from that they come from the ego state and that the what is is not an ego state and you will begin this is why I say it is important that once you discover it that you stay with it for a little bit and just keep marinating in your discovery just for a while so it's not just a mental it so it's not just a psychological conviction but that it is confirmed in you that this is really this is real it's not it's not even a belief it just is you see okay we're gonna go on a little bit again I take someone else's question see your hand can I see you for no moment and I know what you mama sleep yeah I'm good nervous I I discovered the onesies in Z Mart but I also came across a very strong energy it takes me away from everything and puts me in my head and and kind of locks me up in in in my head really so if we just took your head off okay and we put it over here you and your head is over here and you have to speak something from your heart now do you know just some things push you up in your head man and the one who can be pushed up in the head I call it your attention maybe or your your ego identity or some it's in the head and we're just gonna take the head off and put your behind over there now and I said I have no problem with the body because from the neck down you cannot sin okay we cannot do anything wrong okay now speak something from here if it's push you up in your head somebody push you up in your head and you don't know that okay that's the sensation what what happens now if you're up in your head what it means effectively in life how is it effect you can't make contact with the anything around me is okay okay speak only from the head then okay no but I have to you know he say something is push me everything wrapped up everything up there from the toe all the way in my head I'm in my head why would something whatever it is do that you have just made the most wonderful discovery in the human Kingdom huge simply discovered your your your your total harmony I saw many people just after that this this discovery and what was I never see anybody so quiet and people so quiet and so happy all their questions fell away they felt very just calm just okay why would something come and go lock you up in your head you can't come out yes strange me here in my stomach - ladies yes and this has been going on since when it became more clear after tzemre but I know this is a reaction ie so this is happening to the what is our not now it is happening to the idea you have of who you are it is happening to your your self-image the idea your egoic identity is having that and actually that egoic identity is not you it's not anybody your ego identity is not you it is just what you are what you have taken to be you and also you've had many little identities and episodes like that of ego rushes and you believe yourself so strongly to be this type of person you try to convince people you are you may even go to war and start to fight people for who you think you are but that will change and another moment you feel no wow what was I doing I mean what was that that was completely crazy I don't believe this anymore so we've had many different impressions about ourselves many different ideas about who we are and they all pass they were not consistently true isn't it your idea about yourself is not yourself so something it seems inside the human instrument hmm is not supporting your urge for freedom it is like it wants to keep your attention just about on your everyday life and you know paying your bills and getting a new car which is it's okay too but it's not enough for a true life true life is not about the things you have but of who you are so at first it would seem that these ideas something you discover something that feels very beautiful and then something goes no you not can have that in fact I'm going to push you in your head in the place where your really get confused and you can't integrate you can't align yourself with other beings you're gonna feel very left out on the strange is that your friend I don't think so mmm and so there's a feeling of agitation and being in the head yeah yeah is it anything other than a sensation you can observe that you can observe whatever it affects happen in your body mind why can you observe them because they are you are much bigger than that you can observe whatever happens in the body even in the most subtle expression you are aware of it you observe that and whatever happens in the mind the feeling of confusion or no I don't want and all why can't I do this and now I am like this and all these you can observe them those feelings come and go don't give so much importance to these things they come and go supposing you are you are working on on the bus as a tour guide you're working as a tour guide and you're meeting people from all over the world just for you know two hours do you want to study all their names now you don't need to you're not probably gonna use them you're not gonna see them again most likely why you study John was a John or John no forget about it your thoughts are just the same they are just coming what does it work for what good are they no good at all is nonsense when a thought is useful like for practical life you will use that thought and it won't leave any bad smell behind because it's just for practical purposes but thoughts to do with how you feel about yourself and how you feel about people you best just leave those alone because they're not serving you they don't make you happy they make you divisive very untrusting very resistant and very cynical about life they are not your friends you have to design also a little bit and use your natural power you all of you everybody you have natural power inside but maybe it doesn't feel accessible for you because of first of all the first thing is we have to find out the truth of what we are when you're sitting in your truth these things won't trouble you when you're believing yourself to be merely a person which is primarily a psychological state of mind and then you will not be so happy you will not be steadily happy in your life I'll be happy for five minutes and a hard one have a repeat of nine five minutes and then all of this I'm here to point you to something far far beyond that nonsense and you know when I say far far not far far they're right inside you feels it feels like that the force that has power the mind has unconscious power over my breath like it could it yes without knowing us that easing or a stop that is region these are that's his vicinity that's it's his region some people call this kind of mind this kind of power devil's power because it is trying to restrict to control your mind and control your breath and to make you into a slave of this type of way so your life doesn't find full expression and I don't want it well you know to be free of that you must be free of the present identity you're holding on to it's not that that is the problem but is who you think you are that is the problem when you know yourself you can play every kind of role and nothing happened for you a good actor can play many different roles and none of them leave a deep impression on him when you know who you are you can play all these all these you can experience and they will not trouble you but when you believe you are something you're not then these things will trouble you you really become obsessive about things addictive to some things full of vanity and pride and arrogance about other things you see this is not your true nature there is not your true nature your true nature is one of peace and happiness a happiness that doesn't even need a story and the joy a wisdom a lightness of being spontaneity freshness fearlessness this is your true nature and it comes with correct understanding correct recognition of your true position as consciousness at present you are not living as consciousness you are living because of consciousness but you're not living as consciousness you're living as a person a person is also consciousness but it is the kind of contaminated consciousness it it's not possible to contaminate consciousness the only way to do that is that if it dreams something it is dreaming like you are dreaming yourself to be something you're not and so you're suffering in your dream if you suffer in your dream it is called nightmare how to come out of that you see so for the sake of those who perhaps have not really I've not really are not familiar with this invitation how it started was that I asked I asked people if it were possible if it was possible to come to a recognition within your own self not merely a belief just but a recognition whereby you would find immediately find a piece you'll be free of any trouble in your mind and anxiety about life you'll discover your true nature right right now would you be up for it that's what my question isn't it it is there anybody who would not be up for it because this is a very free place if you're not up for it I wouldn't want to put you through that and not ask you go outside and sit and under there's some nice olive trees outside you can sit out there but if you want to go with the exercise over this invitation you're welcome to stay and we can look together we are good and if you need to leave don't be embarrassed to go just say you're going to do and you can sit down for a moment now what we said is that someone let's say it is yourself you have come and you have asked you've said Mooji I hear some people say that you can help us to discover our true nature and I want to discover this can you help me okay I said yes yes we can do that when you want to do it you say right now can I speak for you like this I would like to like to see what that is I want to be it's a well okay let's take a look easy Here I am in this space I'm in a certain space a room and this design to facilitate awakening I'm in here you have knocked on my door and you have asked me can I come in and and speak with you and discover with your guidance my true nature I said yes you can come but you must before you come into this room please leave your shoes outside just like you are you've done today you won't leave her shoes outside to come into this room me too I have to leave also leave your shoes outside and then I said also you have to leave your mind outside now of course nobody's ever asked you to leave your mind outside no but it's not as difficult as it might appear to be what do I mean by leaving your mind outside it's simply mean that you don't talk about the past leave the past outside for a moment just for the time that you're here if it's five minutes that we are going to be looking with you then for five minutes leave your mind outside when we are finished success or failure you can go back and get your stuff your old mentality and thoughts and all of that I don't want nobody wants it anyway it will be right where you left it I don't think anybody's gonna steal your old baggage of stuff so leave it outside and they also don't speak about the future like I would like to you know I'd like to be a yoga teacher I would like to be satsang teacher I would like to travel around the world and see them and I don't want to hear it's not important not later when you are by yourself you can do that but for this I don't want to speak about the future and we're not going to talk about past and you will say what it's okay so if you are going to say well I'm not sure I'm just gonna wait and just see that what happens and so on then you will not come to the recognition you have to be open now your mind might say but if you I'm not sure if I can trust this person maybe it's gonna deceive me and put me into some kind of if not extended something and steal my money okay so I would say this time is not for you you go and wait maybe for another time and then you can see then after the exercise is finished if I've got a lot of people's money and they're going on bumping into trees and stuff you say why I was so lucky I didn't join in and managed to escape but for the rest of you trusting ones are you on board so we're not going to speak or engage about posture than when to know about future I don't want to know and about present like what you're thinking and feeling right now I don't want it's not important these are things in time they're always rooming by and you can do this is actually not difficult we do it all the time you pull you withdraw your attention from some things because you don't want to go there so you withdraw your your attention from the past and from future and from even present when you feel like you're empty of these then I say come in and close the door and come and sit so I give you a few moments for that when you feel comfortable that you are you have left is you will not engage with them this is already something beautiful you've made a choice you make a choice I don't want to engage with my thoughts about past and present and future you know because this really matters to me that I'm really present and I really give my full attention to what Mooji is pointing and it is very simple so you're here now normally the mind will come and say well okay I've done what you asked what now what's the next thing and I'm gonna say there's no next thing I want you for now don't go to next because that's your stretch towards future again don't touch the idea of expecting something for now just be totally empty even of next so that may seem very unusual that I'm not leading you down the road understanding just stop this is just a stop no past no future no present no next okay no hold on to your identity also of who you think you are and what none of this just be empty of all of this you're simply here and you're not waiting don't be waiting just notice what I speak with you and just be with this don't be waiting it is possible for you I'm only bringing your attention to now and here that's all just be if you are just now no baggage of past and what you want to do in the future just leave that alone for a moment and you are just here now and now that you're here I can ask you some simple questions don't be trying don't be making any effort because the now does not need your effort to be here you don't need any effort you're already here there is an awareness here you're simply here and you are aware that you are here this now that is can this fade this we're not gonna give it any I call it the what is it will do for now what is here which is yourself you are here I didn't say leave yourself outside I said leave your stuff outside you're here without your stories about you and your albums about you and just you just you and the awareness and awareness is here using this this effortless isness can it go away I'm asking you now and I need some feedback from you can it go away no it can't really does it have a shape I asked what about size how big is it or how small it deserve size color whatever is here is it your belief at the back over there you can answer no it's not merely belief can it be touched No does it have any moods in itself no no mods there is a good one can it be sick no you're quite sure cannot be sick can it expand not so much answers now can it expand to expand means you have a size would you agree yeah so can it expand no it's not expensive supposing you whilst being aware of it you fell asleep when you wake up would it be gone you sure I'm gonna ask you a very difficult one can it die over there you it can be loved someone say can be loved by whom can it be loved let's let's go down a little bit now because I you need it can be loved and I'm not disagreeing I'm only asking now by whom can it be loved by itself let me ask you another thing one thing how close to you are it is it I mean closer would you say intimate or which is very close or a millimeter or more how close are you to it nor distance nor distance and if I say you sure you're not just imagining all of this over this side here no you're a bit weak on this side know what's happening what about you you imagining you sure you're not imagining I have not shown magic powder in your face and you are you're seeing with your own light and if you came from say Croatia or from you know Mexico or someplace you know I mean is it that you live too far for it to come with you or what will it travel with you when you go back yes extra seat to the plane huh he she's travelling in it okay let's just stop for a moment and and really check in with what you're saying hmm it cannot travel just stop for a moment and we are checking in if what you are discovering and saying is it true just be with it is there it and you so yourself and it are one and the same utilities was it born sometime were you born sometime really where are you answering these questions from anybody here where you answer where these answers coming from from your head from your senses if yourself and this is identical or is one more putting limits it is one and you say it has no complaint it cannot be sick John died it cannot go away but yet all our lives we have not recognized it where was it so I'm asking you how important is this discovery today you must be for yourself because either your mind is gonna say yeah that's really quite hey that's neat they're all awesome man wow it's really good we can practice that sometime I got the secret now yay hey I went to see Mooji and I'm awake I'm enlightened man I'm starting my own series next week is it so perhaps it's more like a beginning for many people because before this recognition we speak about you know but you know you're looking at this when you know sometimes people not showing him yeah but you cannot be this but I'm not sure but today you are clear that you have a fixed point from where you can compare something because something on this side or some way is gonna say yeah but you know this and yeah button you have to look and say is that you but it feels like you there's a space a dimension of expression which is very very personal a place you feel you know very well your identity your person where does that operate in the what is is it just two distinct things have nothing to do with each other he says that the personality and so on gives a flavor to the consciousness it's not bad we can look more you're saying over there so so quite rightly she said at the moment it still feels like - okay which is honest good still feels like - and so you're doing you're speaking as the what is or as the person the come come come we want to hear and even though you're scared to speak you want to hear what you speak everything you see for one who is genuinely searching looking for what is true everything every doubt everything you're going to use it as a mirror in a way either as a mirror or as a window to look through or look at where your voice is coming from where your identity is coming from where these thoughts are coming from let's take a look it's like I know I know but mind is just like they're saying well if you know that I'm not going to be here right which means I'm back in the person again no no no don't do mines work for him the mind just starts a sentence you finish it off it it's like you know like to pause mind say like that and suppose it comes from the mind and it says like this you know if you if this is true then I'm what do you say I'm out of here but no it's like my mind's gone off on one and it's like I've been trying to do like the inquiry with like who's like going off on one and if I'm honest yeah sorry you being what again just qualify yourself me who is speaking now well I don't you see like I don't know if this is it's like I really want to clear something up and it's like mind is saying to me you know go on you speak to Mooji and I've got you in a corner because it's like this is never mind is asking the question and mind shouldn't be like asking the questioning it's like it's got me in this little box now that I just don't speak because whatever I say is gonna be from the mind is an until identified as that which the mind is capable of speaking with and having a relationship with the idea you have of yourself is where your identity is holding on that mind the psychological force of the mind that you're speaking about and from it cannot intimidate the pure self it cannot intimidate the what is by the way isn't it his can it intimidate the what is know okay so he has to find something that it can that it can intimidate the one who will jump when you go move okay and presently that one your volunteer I am that one okay because your self-evaluation is of someone who can lose this thing or can be held by the mind and the mind is gonna go off stop the bumper and you go out out out out please these I would be a good girl I won't go to moody again and have the yourself something has been this that identity is reacting that way and perhaps it's the only way you think or that's the only space you really fit as a person you fit into that space and you are not as yet you know acclimatize yourself to your newfound space of the what is ness mister slow down so we can listen we can go over that because when it first emerged in me that we were going to the this this example this invitation was being presented I first felt this is the end of my work because I can show you you and that will be it but it's not it I'll show you and you see a hard is what I am and then another series of work begins to clarify your doubts because something is still going back to the old regime of identity and say yes I know the one is I've been there it's really nice it's really together okay but I am NOT together right now so I don't qualify to say I am the what is in my present state see we need to look and that which is speaking and - not from some abstract place but from the place where I'm asking you for now don't study about this - just be with it just be with it just like you've just delivered the baby and you just be with it okay you don't be interviewing the baby okay but just be with the baby just be there okay and your love or your growing appreciation because I say growing because it can be a very slow thing you are not felt the impact of your seeing yet you see it's gonna feel like a slow release tablet you take it you feel nothing for a bit and gradually its power is waking up in you that's the impact of seeing it's not just a slap in the face and oh mr. Buddha no it is somehow that you've been hit and you don't realize it's too fast somebody was saying one man was saying I'm slipping a little bit still for you so don't go to sleep okay said that they were talking about Bruce Lee Bruce there's great martial artists no and he said that they were on a set and they were practicing a scene and Bruce Lee was showing the actors what to do and some of the other actors were saying he's not as good he's not as good as they make him out to be he's just an actor he's not that good at the same time one of these wannabe actors jumped out from above on something challenged Bruce Lee someone take me on we have a break now see how good you are okay so Bruce Lee said to him attack me anyway so he threw chickpea he says so the man threw a kick and Bruce T simply blocked it then it was Bruce Lee's time Bruce Lee threw a kick and it was so fast I did nothing happened okay so the guy was laughing like you know there was nothing and then he spat all his blood and teeth out not a nice thing to be saying in satsang in the moment but a good example no okay meaning that it was so fast okay even he himself didn't feel the impact itself no but he's going to laugh okay our gonna say stuff that is going to happen to you but the impact of seeing is like this it has happened and gradually Wow waves of illumination will begin to surface within you and you will come to know without study even why because here now you are just being with it it's like what is what is I mean it's nothing to describe there's nothing you can share as I can give you a piece of what is you know I've got plenty or something you can't share it like that it has it is not any religion specifically it is not any thing personal it cannot be sick it cannot die you cannot leave where has it been all my life well right here Wow how do you explain this don't keep quiet keep looking at it looking towards it being one with it and gradually gradually it will begin to flower in you you follow because at first what's gonna happen is your mind goes yeah well you know been there done that well very nice I know where to go next time feeling a little bit Moody I just go to do what is no you won't because it is as dole in the play of life not in the reality itself in the play of life it is as though your mind has been trying to catch your attention so you don't recognize that what is it's like every time anything comes close it will give it another label and lot of reading and your attention just go there as you're coming close to recognition mine throws a stone in the bush and you know what was that and you're off the scent again it plays like this and funny enough it seems like it's meant to play like that mmm for a while until you are sufficiently ripe enough to grasp something of it the life will give you the nature of life in its expansive evolutionary movement is that it doesn't give you full solution it gives you a hint and you must exercise your discernment you must grow in your power to recognize and then as you recognize you exercise you're developing spiritual muscles and spiritual muscles or that you look and then you design and you feel oh you you come to higher and higher states of consciousness not because gives you fully when you are fully mature then you get even what you've not asked for you don't even have to want the one who is mature in heart is without once that all what please give me and what didn't have no one the one who has no ones it's free the one who has a lot of once does not know themself yourself is the source of all things it satisfies itself and we are growing back it's almost as though in this life the opportunity is to win yourself back from states of delusion whereby we are not perceiving correctly we are perceiving on the basis of being a person which is a very contracted very limited form of consciousness it is consciousness also but it is a very under capped consciousness it's a very restricted consciousness but because of the momentum of habit because of because of habit something a reflex goes back to the old regime of being and that will happen for a while as you are slowly crossing over a shift from person to presence and from presence to pure awareness this is the real evolution so it is not so out of place what you've said I expect that that as a result of your seeing now of course the old the old identity will still spring up don't be super surprised about that but each time you know something is saying yeah but you know I've lost it now at a certain point you are not going to that voice will not have any influence over you it's no it's not even the voice like saying that I've lost it it's like talking about because like another word for consciousness is God isn't it and you talk about blasphemy I speak about that's for me in what context the people to see me say that for people to say that they I people can admit that like the court self because it's blasphemy no you're misquoting how it's and I say that you know some people feel to say that you are one with God isn't that for me but I say rather to feel that you are apart from God it's blasphemy it can also be seen like that isn't it the where would you get your power from where is your source that you can speak on it you see so the language is very very open we say you know depending on what your culture is and the way of looking easy people say things like that but I'm not saying that you are just say that you're equal to I'm saying you're one with one with me in I'm of the house of God I'm in harmony with that field of God you can say that is only brought about to your awareness into your inner recognition if you say prematurely it amounts to an arrogance it means nothing at all you see even you don't have to be saying this you're seeing this you're seeing it well where else can I be from where am I Who am I when we have the feeling that we are just the body and our conditioning you feel yourself to be an objective entity solid and tangible so therefore you search in life for things which are equally tangible and objective you see that's what you love and and you are very much attached to the the fruit of the senses and the projections of the mind as you become more and more established in a subtler consciousness the body feels an inadequate representation of what consciousness is you see so you are experiencing yourself not so much as form but in formlessness then anyone who meditate or you're contemplating or inquiring you're coming to a kind of formlessness that where the seeing is emerging from that cannot be seen because it is not it doesn't have this is not an elemental quality it doesn't have is not have shape or size it is more spatial so something feels growingly comfortable with that recognition so it is a maturing you see like that eventually you will see that you will not worry so much for the form because you are in your formula state you're happy with the form and you are beyond the form and you are still happy with you follow and you must be experiencing this also it's not something I'm giving you some futuristic thing everything is now but whether you're able to to appreciate it or to recognize it now done I don't know that may take a little bit more time I think what was like when I said about being in a box it was if like I'm I was damned on both sides so that you were what I was like damned on both sides so to admit that I'm not one with God on one side was like wrong to say and then like you say to say I'm not of God is wrong although so it was like I was condemned or like damned on both sides and and when I did you know when you did the invitation and and I don't like to say the words I got it but it was like that wasn't good this can only see your what can happen here is simply because you're thinking to personally hmm when you are thinking personally when you're always strong in the body mind your thoughts become very personal and you'll perceive God personally you understand we were talking about this before that at one time we were only taught that you know yeah well God is up there and you know we are down here and we're just it's creatures and so on but in in real experiencing we found that is when I believe I'm just this body and this mind it is actually a very low belief system can I say like this it is like it is not a horrible thought at all that you are merely your body just something which is perishable and your mind which is so fluctuating the mind is not stable at all who can disagree with that that the bodies go back to the earth and and the mind stuff just it the seed of the mind if it carries a lot of identity okay it will go somewhere when the body drops and it will carry that thought and that thought will seem will need an instrument through which it can continue to sort itself out if you want to call it reincarnation I'm not going to stress on that right now but your idea of yourself as just only the body and the body mind conditioning is a lowly thought and if you believe it which we are all brought up to believe like that okay we become very easily victims of life the mind force of the the darker energies and so on they would easily overwhelm you because you think of yourself as perishable you understand you will we will be prone to feelings of guilt and fear and judgment and damnation and just unforgivable unworthiness all these things you will know these kind of qualities more you see because you think of yourself as a thing and things are passing and perishable but how do you begin to to be pointed inward Lee and grace helps you to do that to look internally when you look in donnelly you begin to discover eternal when you begin to look inside you see that but but all these forms are being seen but the seer of them can the seer of them be seen and when you really genuinely try to find who is seeing these and not just assume or speak from what you're read in a book but really look for yourself you find the seer cannot be seen and that is a fact of experiencing and that something feels more truthful more open more universal more powerful more more just beautiful it feels very natural and all of these other higher qualities are coming in because when you hold a thought that you are only the body mind that cannot embrace the higher consciousness see see only as you are discovering your formlessness you can then be capable of perceiving the higher modes of consciousness and then it will not feel all that for me and all these all these thoughts which makes a human being feel heavy and and afraid they will thin away because they you have transcended them your mind is gone to a higher altitude of consciousness and these lower impressions and vibrations they cannot breathe in that altitude so they will stay only in the low area of of the manifest you see what mine said when I had the recognition was if this is consciousness well this is mindless saying about the recognition if this is consciousness it's not very it's not it's not a reflection of how glorious God is because like you said I think I had a perception of how it should be because you know you know it said to you this is a beginning okay you've come to a door and you think you've seen the mansion you are just stepped in through the front door anything while you also this is the manager now but mind makes me feel so bad when I'm sitting there and everyone you ask the question everybody yes - me yes your mind says things that you believe mind say things and you believe them and by believing them it you've used come to feel very shrunken and then you can aha your believer in your mind you see so as long as you keep looking from the place of the person it will feel as though you know my mind is meeting the mind is like this and so on but it is there one day you will thank your mind you will say thank you because when I believe myself to be a person you were on my back okay biting me so that I will jump out of the person and into presence when I was in presence you could not bite me your bite pushed me to presence you see when you flatter me you made me go to sleep to Who I am but when you kick me I woke up to who I am you see okay thank you French okay she's right with you at me huh what is wonder - also - sketchy Fiona glasses I didn't hear that from here for everything you do in the exercise what everything you do in the what in the exercise was given on the first time to share it la première fois I did only shittier el sayed yoga service they are more agents A+ in anybody the lived associative intercessor so it touches to the beam and the first time he had an experience with the beingness at the bin he was you were a kid he was a kid I am some trust him a coconuts are Alex Dario associates I don't really become she all got her mo met a dozen positive a pariah charisma so the first time it happened he didn't know what it is but he wanted to understand like looking outside what it was so he started to read books and in the second time sativa you see here some girl she needs potassium some tea with us some comment analytics so that's your please it's happened a second time this kind of experience and he didn't know he was surprised about it he like something came without expectations that was in velocity as Melanie Tonya in every patio traduction a renowned plasmon gym near iron country major series of HR and it her death her the third time it was in Zimmer last year there was no translation so he couldn't understand but he was in this state of the penis but you have to become come more forward come more to now what do you want to know we forgot to jump you so cos Omega T DS do not know the place on women and Norma will not know consulate rejection so now like in the present when he has the translation today despite this disappears this one disappeared despairing non attended his state of bling state of being has disappeared and what witnessed the disappearance of the state of being whiskey whiskey observers at this policy on the late at the later if the beingness itself disappear hmm whatever weakness the disappearance of the being is it concerned about disappearance being your little delayed her despair I said wickiups there was a disparity unrelated that it will be memo hokey paper that is disparate you know power upon Harvick normal tell he doesn't manage to answer with his mind it really deep okay is he happy about it are you to confound Ursula no so it is not weakness from the from the what is it's more that his mind is having a sense that his beingness disappeared which is natural significant kukuczka to observe a partir del don't order a sake a SATA motel he said sensation in this Parisian it's just a thought you are believing in Sochi symptoms vertical to walk yeah when the beingness itself becomes insignificant or if it disappears you should be in a state of the highest called a conceivable that this part to the rhetoric of it on little to preserve a domino cities are presently what he's speaking is that the feeling the is putting the state of being like maybe a particular beautiful feeling is not being felt anymore so it feels as though this state of being is gone security oppelo later delayed cycle caused a sensation value in a gray habla like to Thiele modulus le despair we don't allow cosmic related related is public normals Congress resorted community Hawkins Etta converse receive partied asthma when he recognizes the state when he left to simmer open my two schedules bleak as you reveal a everything you were explaining for one month he was living that gel impatient expectation mill when the daily town I have the feeling that explanations puts a distance with the state he has a feeling that explanations are like putting a distance like putting not necessarily you know in you in the mature estate these things you will not feel like that when you are in a more early stages you're easy to distract it you see when you in an early stage you're easily distracted if you're training a dog or something no you're just start to train then you say every time you say sit and you're you're holding the strain you know sit no and you sit for a minute and I'm sorry I don't have his French translation for this maybe is what you're saying no no doesn't it up you use a fancy premiere Sir John the fastness supportive capacity up to a locum on this train yeah so you have to speak a bit more quickly maybe we can listen with this one no I can't okay anyway we sit did you say sit dog sit but as soon as another dog pass is he's gone okay so then you come back you know and then you each time you say sit sit and our dog goes he goes and then you pull him back then gradually one time you you say sit dog goes and that's the eyes go you see sit the dog one dog oh nothing happens you see then he's trained is he so at first it's like this I say just be with this be with this and then the mind comes hello oh he's gone if they come now be here you know you sit there then the mind says oh you remember yesterday I said no sit yeah no this is training no it's not even I am saying you should be saying it to yourself maybe if you're with the teacher these watching every time when you go off there's no you stay stay stay and you feel like irritable just go stay but as soon as this discipline is up and inside you feel so free you're totally free we can go anywhere because you cannot be distracted anymore so it still too early in this seeing sit incubate marinate in this state the mind comes yeah [Music] you have to give a little bit.you we say you want everything but you give so little of yourself for that you must stay with it a little bit this is how you prove your your value not just as soon as something from the past come you've you're gone so it has to stabilize and become more strong and it's not a long time considering how long we've been asleep can I say like that yeah and this sleep is not just sweet dreams so now you wake up you know and then somebody come can I give you but your sleeping tablet no enough sleep easy so something inside you this way I said I will wait and see I will look and see who will be the one who will be with this and and and and marinating it who will keep just being here when the mind is saying all wonderful philosophical things on Oh spiritual you just stay here you are just here sitting rocking in the arms of God you did nothing more right now nothing more right now like that that would be your strength mine will say oh but you're not gonna get strong just lying around like that and you have to check that through say no not true really you see we can't just Norma's little doll know this - what's he say and use your power check in here and it says no it's not true go away it's not true so you're not afraid of your mind in the end he'll be afraid of you it's a bit but because you're not wicked you know gradually you come join you is to come okay then you can they can come in because E is the same source as the one who imagines himself to be the person they are both from the same source they must merge in the same source and then all this show all this suffering will be finished and come to it while you are while this body is still warm yes find find the imperishable one while you have time find the timeless one and don't waste your time on you know just speculations and no you must experience first rather than speculate or assume you must also experience what you believe must become experience then the truth is fear is verified inside you okay okay you come see thank you very good thank you a little musty so I just wanted to confirm and clarify around this some transitioning from the regime of the person into into the self yes and I've heard you say just just spend time marinating you know in the what is yes and just be in the lap of God they not don't interview God in terms of do you have a recommended guidance as to how long everyday it's good question these good questions good question you don't have to worry because by marinating I don't mean you have to sit at all modern you can be going about doing your things but you're still in in wordly you're in the marination is he your outwardly you're doing something you know but inwardly you're in total serenity and peace it becomes more and more spontaneous it's become less and less of an action you're doing and just finding that it's just a state of being you see so but your mind is you know like I gave the example not if you fall in love with someone and then you don't need any encouragement from anybody a you must remember your beloved how because you can't forget the you are so uh you're cutting your you know you're cutting your vegetables aha the people in the kitchen to go watch that one everybody's cooking sure you can't forget the beloved are you can forget the beloved is it so this is what happened is that as you marinate as yours just sitting almost every time you find yourself just feeling so nice you're feeling so good feel so light you see you're going to appreciate because then the mind comes and then you see the difference you see the difference if you don't know if you have not experienced what this is when the mind comes that's just your regular visitor it's just that's what the day is like but now you are in the in the in the heart of that which is when the mind comes you get before you can smell them coming before you would not know you see we went to someplace and driving I won't say we're driving along in the countryside no you pass one town it's just the whole place smells like cow basically okay drive every part is all you know but the people they are very happy they can't smell it because that's how everything smells I'm sure the cake smells like a sure coffee it's okay and because that is the basic smell there you know something when you don't know the difference you don't smell it that's how it was with the mind and then but now you're in the fresh air of being when the mind is coming before what's that you know you used to be in the company with the mind for you know 24 whatever whatever many hours of the day now you know now is enough you see that is transition that is transformation Missy you can't help in you start to MK you start to feel more and more appreciative of this natural state of being and the mind helps because he put you provides a contrast don't fall for my god oh we love it I'm so happy see so it does go there are times when you will just want to just sit you feel like you don't want to go anywhere you sit like you're so established in peace is like you've got the mountain inside you you just can't move no doesn't sound very nice but it is amazing such peace you can't move then another moment your upper tree you can feel in the the the vital force is moving in different ways so I feel it's natural process in this case maybe some people don't immediately fall in love with what is this kind of well we don't know what to do with this just it's like that but it is recognized and because you've recognized it you can't unrecognized it it is already it it it's the grace of the self as released its fragrance in you and from there it's this is not something that a human being invented it is just like a timing in you it's somehow nobody can explain why in one unit of consciousness or one body the consciousness is responding so powerfully in another one it's a bit more slow a bit more resistant bit more doubtful in another one it's like whoa they're gone yeah immediately home rare but it can happen awesome so I like these questions because it shows that there's genuine is genuinely a sort of pull and how long it can go on for I don't know I tell you even if this marination is going on for the rest of your life nothing can compare with it you see it is just like every day is your best day anybody know this kind of day every day is your best day this is the nature of the self I say it is like a fruit that keeps getting sweeter and sweeter but never becomes too sweet how can you have one food to everybody is the same it tastes just sweeter and sweeter it never becomes - some people said no I like sweet things so we said I don't like sweet things but this food you are going to like me very much because it is the fruit of your own self yes in the beginning it is loved in the sense that you retain a sense of your individuality as a person and because of this sense of duality you think you're loving like one thing loving another whereas in fact it is it loving itself in the form of other or unknown earnest and it can take a while for this sense of other to wear off into this justice oneness if duality has any real beauty about its also it is for the joy of the self loving itself in the form of everything or everybody in fact it's not people when we say you love everybody what does it mean love everybody you know a person is not necessarily all very lovable thing okay it's only when the person unites a bit with its heart it becomes beautiful you see it's not just beautiful by itself a real flower and the plastic flower can look really similar from a distance but the plastic one has no smell that's the same thing the ego can really resemble by this but it's not the same but it's not the same initially it will feel like yes I'm loving because even in the egoic state one is evolving to higher ego more purified ego but still ego which means what it simply means that you believe in your apartments you believe in your what you may call autonomy you believe in your separateness you see and it's not necessarily beaten your chest like Tarzan or some it just means that you believe that you're apart from from the one easy so all of us feel like that at some point even a great sages and saints of the past they also had that taste in the beginning and they transcended it because of wisdom grace and love and the urge to find true they overcome just like you just like ourselves and to clarify it in the times when you start to smell the smell of the mind when you do the inquiry look into who the voice is speaking to you know come come back to the observer and then those moments where let's say that their energy from the mind comes very strong and in the moment it just overpowers you in the moment then are you to when the energies have just settled down come back come back and sort of look at it look at that I will tell you you're much more diverse than you think it is okay suppose you say some energy from the mind comes like a tsunami suppose this one come okay and you know should you be inquiring who is drowning no know when.com actually there's another way inside is just that is what is that is what has been experienced at the moment it doesn't mean that I am NOT myself is it is a difference difference is when something goes against what we like we imagine that we have been abandoned and rejected by life or God or the beloved we put meanings into these things that really don't necessarily belong to them but in some way we interpret in a very passionate way but the one whose mind is clear you have a big thing comes Oh if simply accepted it's not given it's not given to the mind and then say oh this means that you know I'm not in favor with the supreme and what have I done now it's just fall over there Oh over here feels good too why not they don't it's a different state of being or together in mind you see even if you feel a little bit underneath this this you're just fine its finest if you are very much very much deep in the in in beating on yourself or something then what we tend to do is then we start to just everything has too much meaning and it's a very heavy state when the mind is full of belief and it's not the mine should be a completely empty when mine is empty empty empty you're empty empty empty no thinking or wrong everything is just fine even death he's fine even death is fine so I had this experience recently when you know let's say you call it a tsunami came and I just allowed it to just come and you know until it moved and immediately as it left there was such intense bliss that was there such intense like the emotion that had come before was intense then as that wave passed the intensity of the the piece of my bliss was and it's just a reminder that that was there always even when there is an army came yes just momentarily you know maybe the attention goes on to this an army look at once come back home it is a train if you don't take things personally yeah and then you don't have the feeling that oh this person is doing this to you and why's life doing it to you all of it is consciousness consciousness is playing with consciousness to evolve consciousness of course appearing in the forum for the people who say something somebody's walking past and says you know peacock and you go did she say peacock it's bad luck then you are all having dreams about peacock landing on your face cooing on your pillow and then you confront the person you excuse me you know when you pass me the other day why did you say peacock and is it I said because I know I remember saying tonight that was what's your problem who said peacock God said peacock consciousness a peacock to get that pecan mentality up and flushed out when you see then you can have a laugh in us okay it's not really we create most of our own trouble to the mind we do it this is why we should not cling to mine because it will present some things to us that your carnal mind likes and because it likes those things and then when it comes time to really be open like for instance to follow the invitation so on you can't do it wholeheartedly because you have some you know you have some treasures you know stored up in the bush over there that you want to enjoy you can't come fully into this because you're already preoccupied with something else this is our time and um Anjou ality just if I've understood correctly is that the self enjoys the play of duality when you're from ask yourself what it enjoys you can say it is so fast enjoy ISM you can put it in the biggest word in the biggest term you can put it in the widest context in the highest context you can say it it does it for joy yes but it's not addicted to that try this is the humor the fun in it is that what you mean there's no cynicism really well I have to say there's cynicism as well why not I mean there's a bit of cynicism is there it plays everything but not as cynical as as human mind can be cynical you know in that way to take it so deeply the cynicism there's truth in cynicism also it's kind of laughter and fun in it but if it is happening from the ego it can be it can be very nasty but it can also just be funny sometimes the cynicism is the most direct way of saying something can I go that far sometimes it is like buying you know and that mouth is closed for a good time you see but it can be done without spite I am just saying these things to show the enormous flexibility that consciousness is it is not prudish it is not a - um oh it is not like that the mind is like that so therefore the one who is free in the heart is not easy to offend someone like that momentarily maybe something but that cannot be offended so deeply the mind has become too empty to be offended empty mind cannot be offended impersonal line cannot be offended cannot be FHM laughter but it won't be offended not deeply thank you very much thank you every they have something to say I know because I was like whoa but now that I'm here it seems it's okay you can sit back down to know cuz I don't know where this the next time I'll have this opportunity oh and it's very much in line with with wait well as just being said is oh really it's been boiling for the wine sorry there's so much coming up just take it you need to take a few seconds okay what what was coming up just now is that I need guidance I have this really strong pull to withdraw and the way out to withdraw from from life generally yes and just they stay there to evidence and there's also another probe which is to be in life with it they can be sequential also it can be that for a while you have to take yourself away from something it is not unwise to do that you can take yourself away if you feel you I need a bit of space you know you it may not be as much space as you imagine it's funny that sometimes if you really over well and need to take a week off but after one day if you're just crazy you see that yeah but to make space to be able to to just be by yourself for a moment and to just to be immersed in a space where you can allow this stuff to come up fast give it some time to come up but don't participate that's another thing don't try to solve the thing alright just you can just watch him for a bit and if you don't jump jump in you see because the mind is started to spin the rope they saying come jump in something and you say yeah yeah yeah you know why I'm getting married today where I'm going to go into some dusty drop jumper you leave him you see like that and gradually something clears and you may find a no actually when I allow the space then I don't have to work so many things as though they work themselves out sometimes just space is needed yeah not mental working out just a space that you allow that you you are determined to give that space then it creates if I know that mind is clear once mine is clear don't have to look for any questions no and I can relate with it tsunami always actually in my case is more emotional tsunami is coming and sometimes it takes a few minutes sometimes it takes day isn't it like I just yeah it takes sometimes I don't I'm just remember all I have to do is just sit through it um are you staying here you know I'm really seriously thinking about it though now I just wonder because it's not that you only need to sit with something many people try that it's not sitting with something is understanding clearly what your true position is that's all so you stopped reacting from a false place but you're seeing from the true place that's all once you see there's so much joy and freedom in that seeing that you will lose a lot of fear and you just enjoy just you know when you know as sometimes the reflex come and you're going from the old position and something just just lets go of that and you find everything settles down from your real place that's all it's not seeing sometimes people spend years sitting sitting just sitting and nothing happened nothing happened once age when Lama Zen master bank I who I love very much he was in the you know 15 century something from Japan and he you know if he also felt he wanted to to sit he found one rock and he said I'm gonna sit here until I wake up he sets at sunset and all that happened he had a sore back side actually was it was so bad that in the end they had to take him away in and he had to be somewhere just sitting by self-determination by itself is not enough even you think that determination and it doesn't correct understanding he sees someone point you say no again you're going back there can you see you're going back there again okay can you see that then just see don't go oh that's so easy may become like this for some people for many people it comes out that simply seeing you're looking from wrong place and you can look at the wrong place you're seeing from and something opens up is he not just merely sitting sitting has its place but with the right guidance my that's not because right now I'm really not sure this is where I need guidance and that I feel that this pool to be in this states in the world surrounded with people is something else I should just not engage with and resist you know it's very difficult because at the same time I honored the fact that I am consciousness in this body in this form and that yes consciousness of God whatever you know decided to be here in the other in this form okay and is it just then a play of the mind again that I feel that well I just can't withdraw like that is a mind okay that is mind you don't direct consciousness you can't direct consciousness you say yeah consciousness in this body and you know it must be here for a purpose and you know if I'm in the world I should just be in the world and too much mind itself if you feel you must also nothing wrong to go with the deeper feeling if you feel you know I feel I need to go away for a while and just to be in a space like this or whatever no or to look I recommend places like this where you you are you know where truth is is the it's the climate the vibration is for that and then you find that you you know almost anyone you speak to you they give you a clear reflection of this and then you say yes but I'm in the world and so I mean consciousness must want me to be you see that's also you know you can otherwise you you can't really you have an idea but you feel bad about the idea don't doing the idea because you think that that is forcing yourself when cars put you here but this is also forcing yourself staying here why not go with the feeling you have to do you cannot make such a big mistake if you are searching for truth even if you make mistakes it's okay now making a big mistake you know sometimes you have to make mistake to then recognize it was a mistake some I say that consciousness sometimes create the sense of a problem in order to have the experience of transcending it it is may be transcendence is the name of the game minor actually in to me being here is what I copying in the world.we when I'm in with the drawbridge us being alone which is self seems to be easier for me at this and what in what way is it easier I have more space to just let everything come up fully come up and believe me and I love when you say that consciousness keeps testing itself that really really helps me in these moments because it's really doing a really good job like bringing if it's testing itself it must be growing you must be expanding in the pure of space that's what it feels how it feels also is that it it's bringing me a tougher challenge every time waiting ok now I'm totally fine where they have I'm not sure about that why should you be going to challenges up to challenges when I go to clarity I I would love to know I'm just asking because sometimes they like he's being a front of it to test you being what to go more and more challenges you you have so many things you have to be challenged about if you if you see from the good from the right place it is enough you see from the right place and then something has to if there's a practice it is to stop the reflex to keep going back to the wrong place that's that's it so really but thank you for thanking for saying this because what happens that I then I think I have clarity and then I say okay now I'm ready now I can come to Mehta sahaja and then I come here and then I realized no it was no I mean it was a thing is that you're thinking to watch you're using your mind too much you don't give a rest easy you're using your mind each other use the mind to overcome the mind then the mind itself will say you know even this kind of place is too noisy you must go to a place where it's just you and me why didn't you go to a place where mind is not if you when you go to place when you're really alone then you are without mind and then you've reached a very good place but if you leave a place like this you go to a place with you and mind correct me and I'm just pushing us yeah I'm sorry maybe I should just well I have to really I must have some courage if I want to it's quite intimate now you have to say when you say someone that no you whet the appetite of everybody something very intimate where people were sleeping of where they're quite up now I want to know what he wants to share no today I had these yeah after spending some time really alone and I was listening to to to satsang listening to the point things and I was really practicing them and I was this I mean just amazing realizations and at some stage it just just can't be just popped up that was like okay now I'm going to what is hundra then that's it there's no plan B this and then I'm just going I'm just coming and it was quite far away so we took some time so it takes sometimes you have you know the whole process organized and then when I came here I you know I thought I could maintain this truth even in interactions and then when I came here realize it's not so easy not right now every other still when I'm I am interacting with people I still have maybe not at first but after why I left maybe three four times meeting them I have expectations coming back again right for example expecting this this interaction with this being to be as beautiful as it is the first time and be beautiful meaning like what well just recently I actually after after I left here really really frustrated and angry the last time I don't know something really clicked the day after and I was like well I'm just going to watch observe the changeful from the place that is not changeful and and I don't know why also something cannot but I just an intention I was going to see God in everyone's eyes and there was a very strong intention and I was I was there too surrounded with amazing people beautiful beings and very open and I had these these moments of the rest just looking into each other's eyes there were so intense the most intense form of encounter and yeah and and then and then that happened after meeting the person for the second time at the third time it just yeah I could watch that expectations was coming back I was expecting this to continue I was expecting this to be as intense and [Music] yeah I'm actually quite happy about the whole process because I could really observe even though I was still getting caught in and in this cycle of expectations I could observe it so it's really much better than what I was doing before so yeah this is it this is basically what I meant it's through interactions with people and that I I realize and I'm not really totally clear with this topic well and this thing too that now I feel that you should stay with people I'm not saying to stay here because we are not even around from space at the moment but you should stay in this type of environment because it keeps on poking in your little stuff you see to see where and and take instructions also about it because you have there people who go sometime in India at the wall living in Malaya's for a while and they live just in orange and they're like some monk up in Himalayas you know people call them Swami and all this kind of stuff and then they have to go back to you know Belgium or to England for something and when they come they lose all your lights no you know easily your people on all these buses all this and very much not like a monk at all more like a monkey they're so agitated uh I can't wait to get back to India oh this is not monk it doesn't matter the scenes will change but the seer remains unchanging this is steadiness you see and to going off on your own like this like don't make a decision even is it because the person is behind most of them you see when you sit quietly in the midst where them people you find a quiet place when it feels like that take instructions follow the instructions and somehow you grow out of it and that is the that is the best otherwise your mind will say go on your own much better on your own you'll be you'll be an emperor but when you come back into contact with people you're gonna hate it all you know checks make better company and all this thing you'll be like that because you have not won over your own mind you see it's very important thing you know I'm happy that I here are more what you say cuz you know so not just one standard answer but it's saying no if you have to go away and you know who is behind this going away is it the Supreme Being is telling you no he's not it's the mind itself is saying I'm having to when I stay here I'm feel very exposed I don't like anything I suppose I feel very uncomfortable let's go where we can meditate [Music] meditation need not be you know house and ours how is it all sometimes I wake people up is there waiting them up because sometimes is sleeping actually but shake them up she'll come come no I prefer I have your attention right now then you go off into meditation is a kind of excuse to not hear what I'm saying because what I'm saying is a sword at your throat well your meditation is a pillow when it's out of your head and you will not your mind will not throw and choose the sword is gonna go yeah you know it wants to sleep you have to wake up everybody here hmm in Monty Sasha are on death row for the ego nobody's yeah sort of you know as tourists it's the most beautiful beautiful place it's not a prison everybody on death row maybe death - what is not true you see I tell you because I'm you know I also get letters of people Oh Georgie you know you I'm so happy you've got my Fe so free now and everything please don't become to Montana Sasha for three days and - just to see to it you won't look in your eyes and say thank you oh okay then then they come and they're hiding from me they ask can I come and then they come here and they're walking behind trees say hey you what is that is something inside is uncomfortable something it's gonna catch you and I catch you but I'm here to get you so that you can be free to catch something doesn't feel right why are they hiding yeah you are you are you Jennifer yes can I read your letter pathology I'm dying to see you yes you come to see me to die basically of that because and it is a work of consciousness in fact to come and you then something is unexpected fear came up it was same myself when I met with my own Mooji I wrote letter to him I thought he was gonna go oh my son has come did I get the sons hug No but that was what was needed if I knew that was coming I don't write no letter I was B and that was what was so good some things are hiding that you cannot recognize Master recognize something and you come we look together and then true how does that feel out you want another one okay so good we are good for the moment so your recommendation would be to take is that you started saying it's okay to like withdraw and then well because I was hearing you from a different place I was thinking yeah you know this one needs to meditate in a crowded environment one go with that and so but then when I saw the complexity behind it lots of I don't know no you need to stay a bit you see look look look I would know where to put you but you need to be in a space like this if you can find it or if you would the people if we can find a place where to come or at least to attend at the plot their classes or their songs and go you're not obviously very young you see yeah I don't even like to do that because I prefer you get it today I don't want to set you up for two or three days I don't like that I'm not into two or three days I'm gonna here for today okay thank you we'll take one more so before we go can come ya know in front yes mistake with eg namaste how I would try to to ask a question from the experience perspective okay so these self that we've been discuss by concept is it's not possible to change it's not possible to move but by practicing them at the moment when clarity star increasing by itself the first time you you see okay it's not moving there's something out there to listen and then you can come back and see yourself but then clarity increases and then non conceptuality or they known concepts are just there if you have the right experience obviously it's it comes along with please this guy comes around with please oh joy and then but coming back to this clarity then it is possible to see that these awareness this consciousness can fluctuate can fluctuate or move by itself knowing itself what yeah what is capable of watching consciousness fluctuate and when you say consciousness you mean what by consciousness itself yourself okay so in what way is it fluctuating it is stable from the perspective that always knowing and then at the point that it knows something else that is not the self it's knowing the mind then it change it moves it will that depends on the maturity of the seeing mm-hmm if there is duality in the seer then it will appear as though consciousness is changing you see if the if the seer from the perspective of the one who sees if if there is a duality in them meaning that not that now we are speaking you have the sense you are here I am here and and others are sitting down okay it is true the field of duality of consciousness in its expression of duality that we can have this sensation the duality is very very necessary for experiencing nevertheless from where this the perceiving of duality is perceived that which perceives the the expression of duality and so on that is not a duality that is not fluctuating but what appears in it that fluctuates and the one who who identifies I feel like this today I feel like that that is also fluctuating that is all you see the thing is that the the the consciousness in the mode of person has the capacity also to observe it's just that it observes primarily with self-interest being a sort of private self it tends to observe to the to the extent that what suits me and what does not suit me its world and concerns are very localized to itself and those it loves but from the deeper consciousness the impersonal consciousness as we somehow keep discovering that there's a deeper space of consciousness and the deeper we recognize as consciousness the less personal it becomes in the deepest place there is no personal even though there may be apparent the seer knows that it's only apparent it is not it is not the full is not the totality it is an expression of that so no great factuality is present for that seer in the field of the changeful the changeful is also perceived in a very natural way and is even enjoyed this year from the one who sees you know I would say like that I'm putting it now the one who sees in the world of duality and multiplicity and that seeing point happens in the place I call in the space of the the fluid consciousness or the conscious presence that is the seed that is a seeing of the dynamic existence but that seer and seeing is itself the subtlest phenomenon looking from the place of the absolute there's no fluctuation in the absolute yeah that's when it becomes non dual then there is nowhere to experience from a conceptual perspective it's moving or it's changing but from a non conceptual perspective you are not a rock you can taste you can move you can know so it's that perfect usual how you can have the sense of knowing and the sense of that of odd earnest because the consciousness manifested that it manifests through the five elements and children children to the body the senses and so on and because it wants to taste but duality is perfectly expressed but it is seen as a function of the non-dual self it doesn't have an independent reality you know it is only a function a molder expression of the one non dual self so it doesn't hurt it doesn't you know sometimes people say oh I am not really into duality that is itself duality speaking you see I don't find any problem without duality there can be no experience but it's just a function inside then the non dual seeing I don't want to bend people's minds to say these things it's enough space and time for them to come to it by themselves if you follow the simple guidance that is given you will come to that conclusion yourself even without someone saying that is the conclusion it leads to that point in the same way that together we are speaking and also there are many people who have not seen in this type of face-to-face way but if they follow the exercise with one voice they can say yes it is like this you know it's not this because they are looking for the first time from the heart and with the heart with the eyes of the heart and all the answers are the same funny thing to say that because where do you ever go where human beings agree actually except when they are subscribing to a certain kind of persuasion or something ever we are all members of the conservative party we also hear her hair also but when we look more closely we are not here here we're right there there actually we're not so close but in this looking because it is not based on duality it's not the evidence of your eyes or physical eyes or your thinking mind it is coming direct is as though the self is speaking about the self for a change and that's why I say it's very unique actually to to to have this kind of response and I was asking do you know the implication of what is happening here because it will feature for the first time you have a sin of where humanity is one family only here you can be if we speak from the place of the body mind identity we are so cultured and so conditioned so identified with our body that the unity is merely a concept it is merely kind of wishful thinking or even not everyone wants this unity either you see but in this field of total non dual seeing from the heart it is like this it is like different differences don't thrive at this height of seeing and it is here that you can say we are one it is amazing for me to do to hear this you know in this because thousands of people have had the opportunity to speak with people from around the world I have never had this beautiful privilege of speaking and sharing and looking and exploring together and to meet this type of response from people which is like a kind of what we call a kin a mass awakening or must seeing it is very rare I am not read or heard about that that is not you know coming out of a kind of evangelical excitement or something but out of clear sober seeing human beings to look it's very beautiful because we are not I'm not asking for their belief system or your point of view or where you came from from your own self you are speaking but the implication sometimes I said my god you don't realize what you're seeing yet gradually it will open up its its mysteries and its beauty to the one who who I'm gonna say is worthy sounds a bit strong but by worthiness I mean worthy by attitude not worthy by soul but worded by attitude the one who values it even if one senses like that you see it started out like that from our own self I had one little from God I would say Venus and I went totally crazy in the most beautiful way the whole change of character I'm sure people said that to me but I couldn't see I just felt wonderful like that and it was very easy to for this attitude of just surrendering everything whatever that meant it was just an attitude of surrendering everything what can make you do that it must be something great about human life if something can make you change direction in such a powerful way you see you're going along to the new you know what it must be something great that a human being can explode or implode in such a beautiful way that all change of everything and then you know you're not worried about what's gonna happen how people gonna take it they can figure that out later that's an afterthought right now I have just hearing and this you you cannot regret somehow so there at the moment of experiencing these non-duality from the beginning perspective it is as you say you surrender instead of me trying to contract and say this self doesn't change it doesn't change it the same thing you know when these things happen for me I didn't know anything about duality and ality a lot of these words came later and they came later when they seem to fit in when they felt right for me I didn't know anything about Brahman and you know sort of like these type of terminologies you know near father and son scar I'd do anything about these things it's not the words the experience took place they learned what the experience was later on when I read something so that's what is happening I didn't know the words I came back them after so duality non-duality don't mean nothing for me I just felt happy and felt completely like wow it's like for so much of my life I was doing different things sports martial arts you know all different things arts and so on and always something was driving I was looking for ultimate expression in in artwork like I wouldn't make an ultimate painting and no one that was a crazy idea and obsessed almost with it and all the things that we mump studied Marshall always just looking for this what is it that is just like it cannot be a program cannot be a program it has to be spontaneous how I can train to be spontaneous what do you do to be spotted these all these type of stuff and then when this happened I realized that's what I'm searching for but I was not aware of it why because when that was felt the urge dropped away it was like your home something felt at home and yet had to keep being more at home and Mort and Marta you're at home but you have to be more at home some something I displayed later on you come to see now once I go to the door I am everywhere at home you see but at first when you're just new you're I'm at home but I'm just in the hallway and now here now I'm in the kitchen you know but now I'm feel I'm everywhere at home you see this is a natural evolution you know not something I did okay unless coming back to reality I've been I have a sense of clinging to this clarity when when I'm experiencing dual dual experience then I cling to this clarity because I like it because it's I think I can go beyond if I have more clarity but then I say if I die like this I can die at any moment I can die practicing and if I die clinging to clarity well I don't know what's is that okay to dive in into clarity well of all the things you should die from that's the most nice I think suppose people say sometimes as I don't I am attracted to you but I don't want to be attached to you Mooji say well we're not working for attachments yeah but what about if you are if you are been attached to many things mm-hm but what about if you are attached to freedom what's going to happen is it bad you're attached to freedom and then some must be good now suppose I was attached to you know sort of like don't worry about that the thing is that it's not your touch you love this thing you're getting results from this you're in a state of evolution and aspiring for something of the highest thing that has a power also you see and you know sometimes you can be maybe so maybe you are so deeply established or unified with the thing you love that you don't even taste death at all when it comes you don't even know what happened maybe you don't even know okay let me tell you what's happening now it says 6:17 okay and normally and what you know these Sunday sub signs were going very regularly for a time and then we had two different things come we were traveling or so-and-so happens and so we couldn't continue with the regularity like that so some while ago satsangs were of this nature we would come and sit very much like we are now today very nice and then we would take a break I get a few letters that come some letters come from different people around the world and so on and so we usually take a break about now and then people go and have some chai or something and we come back like in 15 minutes or something like that 20 minutes 15 minutes and we sit and I read some of these letters and actually quite it's another way in which that thing happens so usually for another hour so we have letters and you're welcome to come back and I can enjoy your summer so like that I feel it would be good to maybe take a little break for those of you who could do with a pee or something and a cup of tea recipe and but before you go I would like to listen to someone place I'm like somebody very good you want to play some music no he's present really good [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] what are you ready [Music] looking for is this something try to hold on tight to change [Music] my friend the beginning is who are you come to see you see you will me the song remains say [Music] the son you'll be their suicide the stone suddha sattva we will be forever you are strong you are wise you are patient you are kind who personal there we dance inside the stone [Music] you fight [Music] but what are you fighting for knock who's knocking at the door does it open from within are we ready to begin then let go my friend the beginning is the end and why you'll come to see is that you have always feel the song remains the same [Music] Oh personal here we dance inside the stone suddha sattva we v4 you are strong you are wise you are patient you are kind oppa son inside is there something more to life don't tell me you're just here to die when you cannot see for your video where you hide we must all look deep inside the Sun [Music] we dance inside the stone suddha sattva we will be forevermore I am strong I am wise I am patient I am kind the Sun here we dance inside stone the Sun here we dance inside the storm oppa son are here we danced and we danced and we danced oppa son here we dance inside your storm oppa son our everyday [Music] [Applause] thank you thank you thank you now we'll stay here just a little few days ago those wrapped around a finger like a ring the same one I don't know what to do with it they do when you're sleeping you know I [Music] [Music] [Applause] you [Music]

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Length: 183min 12sec (10992 seconds)

Published: Sun Jun 04 2017