Widen Your Love, Deepen Your Understanding, Bless the World

[Music and singing] [Shree:] Good morning and welcome everybody to Satsang. We wanted to just speak a word again about the silence, to remind everybody to really honor the silence while you are here and on a practical level to think of your room mates because we were getting a lot of messages about people being noisy in their living space and we know many of you are sharing space with people you've just met and maybe you're accustomed to snoozing your alarm for 5 times and your neighbours are not. So to just move in this as consciousness of respect for the space that you're sharing with other people in your living space and also all around Zmar. Also just a word about the message box, that it's that time in the retreat where we start to get a lot of messages that are clearly nothing about anything practical here. I heard about a message asking, 'What's the name of the kind of shirt that Guruji wears,' and things like this. It's funny, it definitely is funny! [Laughter] There are quite a few examples and then we just feel, 'Okay. Maybe we remind you that this is another way that you can start to drift off a bit.' And also today is Sunday and many of you know that Sunday is the traditional day for Sunday Satsangs broadcast online and so today this Satsang will be broadcast, we're actually going to put it online later today around the time when we normally would have Sunday Satsang. So we want to make everybody aware of that, we broadcast for the world. Also today at 3.30 there will be a guided meditation here in the Satsang Hall that also will be broadcast live for the world, and for that guided meditation there will be a lottery and as with the Satsangs it will begin 30 minutes before so 3 o'clock is the cut-off for you to be here for the lottery for the guided meditation. Sri Mooji will be with us in a moment. [Singing] [Bell chiming] Mooji Zmar Silent Retreat 20-30 September 2015 [Music and singing] [Mooji:] Om. Namaste. Welcome everyone to Satsang this morning. Welcome also to all who are joining us via broadcasting and very much looking forward to what's showing up today. You want to come? [Long silence] [Laughter] [Questioner:] Hello Mooji. [M:] Hello. [Q:] So I try to sum up all that is happening in these days and [Silence] I can see how what you're speaking about somehow, this pure presence is not seen; it's always we can say contaminate in English; there is always some trace, some very persistent and kind of spread as well personhood and where a space, a stillness is perceived inside it still seems to be phenomenal, very, very phenomenal. Where perception as any other perception that comes with the senses. So it feels ... [M:] That which perceives the senses also. That which is perceiving the senses also! Meaning that they float in front, perceiving senses also is aware of space. When we speak about space I'm not speaking about phenomenal space this space also, but that which perceives space also. But the mind is... we are giving it to the mind and the mind is going, it's like your own private google and you put, 'Okay, emptiness.' Enter and it's 'Truuup!' 'Emptiness.' 'Tutututu!' So, it's not going to be that, it's not going to be a definition of emptiness. Say, if you could imagine one who is arising out of some state like sleep or let's say, after an operation, strongest anaesthetic, anaesthesia and coming out and supposing it was you and you became aware somehow nothing could be seen, no evidence from the senses, nothing to smell or to see or to touch or to feel or to hear, nothing, no information at all. There's nothing, nothing, nothing to perceive there. Would you not know you exist? Would you need a mirror? Even if looking into a mirror, nothing is seen. Who is looking into the mirror? That one cannot even be seen. Would you not be with the sense 'I am' that you exist? That which perceives both presence and absence. [Silence] But when from the mind you're going to say, 'But even the space, I look inside, it is that space,' but it is still phenomenon, it's still something to be seen. But from where are you looking and as what are you looking to perceive even space also as phenomenal, the one who is looking is it also phenomenal? That which sees is it also phenomenal? Or we can go even more subtle, if that is also seen then by what is it seen? Are we automatically in the realm of imagination or is there actuality? [Silence] It is almost as though if there is not some object to perceive, then what, consciousness has no function, no use? From the arising of the waking state and the functioning of the senses and the mind, throughout what you may call a human day, must you always be caught in perceiving? Must your mind always be in gear? Must you be always interacting? Involuntarily and voluntarily? Are you merely compelled into experiencing? Is there no rest? [Silence] though activities are taking place, they take no credit for it; The natural state of the one who is free is: it is the activity of the vital force only, it causes things to move it is the animating power of the universe and it is observed even when it functions in the body that is here, they don't claim it as theirs. They stand with the seeing and with the seeing of the seeing even, don't be confused by this. Only if you rely on a rational thinking, you will think, 'Oh my God! What is that?' or something. But in inner experience it is seen, 'But of course.' Like water poured into water no division can be made. [Q:] If I can bring back, the metaphor that you used yesterday, of the 2 birds it very much feels like there is only one bird, one bird and one 'I', it's strange to describe, but there are these moments in which there is this perception I mentioned before even though it's, 'Pham!' Very fast taken and labelled by the mind that comes in and makes all it makes and also that is watched, but it feels this presence is very, very much a mixed one. Very much a mixed one. [M:] What watches the mixture? Is that mixed? You must be there, don't keep going to the result of what is happening of the perceivable thing, but what causes that perceiving to happen also. Where is the birth place of that perceiving? Otherwise you're only telling the story of phenomenality and recording time. [Silence] Can you achieve anything from yesterday? What time is it now? It says 9.38. 9.38 yesterday morning what was you thinking? Can you bring it back? Can you bring it back into this moment? Can you take anything from yesterday and bring it here and say, 'Haha! Yes. You see? Captured.' It's gone. Mind, you can say in the form of memory, or consciousness in the form of memory, does its best to retrieve something, takes some sort of psychic imprint or photograph of this, but it is not that, that's gone. Just as these words have gone! [Silence] As much as they wipe the mirror of perception, only this clean mirror matters. [Q:] So Mooji, since this mixed presence is so strong that stays mixed even if its watched, the perception is still a mixed one. [M:] The perception is mixed? What do you mean? [Q:] There is even the presence, the stillness what we want to call it, [M:] Okay. [Q:] that can be perceived, it feels very much... [M:] Combined with something, mixed with something. [Q:] Yes, it can be like that and then ... [M:] But what perceives this? [Q:] It seems not to be different from It, It seems to be all one thing which is both a presence. [M:] No, no, because one thing comes and goes, and the other doesn't come and go. So cannot be the same, same thing. One belongs to time and change and it is constantly changing and we are observing this and we are making the mistake of trying to keep an imprint as though it is something solid and unchanging, but the all of it is a verb, it's always a movement. And you say, 'Yes, but it's always mixed, even the sense of presence, even if the sense of presence is mixed, what is watching this? What observes this mixture? Is that mixed? And you say, 'It is one thing.' Well, if it is one thing then the whole thing is a big mix up. Isn't it? [Q:] Yes. That's the feeling actually. [M:] Yes. Yes. Yes. Which leaves us where then? An impossible task. [Q:] It feels like, yes. [M:] Yes. Yes. Yes. There is something which is not a task. [Silence] If everything you can perceive, you say, 'It's contaminated, it's mixed.' I'm along with you. Yeah, everything you perceive through the senses or the mind it is somehow an image in consciousness, it's not stable. You've really put that even on to the sense of presence. That is also mixed, somehow it's not stable. I say, OK. The sense of presence also is not stable. Because the sense of presence is usually the most acute viewing point where there is the dynamic consciousness, it is the one who is seeing everything else. Then you say, 'But even It itself is also is 'mmm mmm,' Then where are you looking from to see that the sense of presence is also 'mmm mmm'? Then be careful because something wants to say, 'But it's all one.' And if it is all one in the way that you mean, then it says, 'There's no point to it'. [Q:] Yes. Where exactly, that's exactly where I stuck, because there is this... [M:] You made a conclusion and made you feel stuck. [Q:] Yes. Very much. [M:] It's not the conclusion, it's not given by the universe. You decide and made a conclusion and you're stuck in your own conclusion. [Q:] And how to melt this conclusion? What is your suggestion? [M:] Why to try and melt something that doesn't exist? It's only in your mind, you believe something and in fact you are demonstrating it exactly. We are actually... we are perceiving what we are conceiving. You are living what you believe and feeling it is a fact. There is one who escaped all of that, it's not relying on any concept. A stage you reach where every concept, including the highest one, even the concept of the Parabrahman everything collapses. [Silence] But the source of this perceiving cannot collapse nor rise. You say, 'It is all in this; all, everything is moving, everything is moving!' And the one who sees everything is moving is part of the movement as well, swirling around in movement and life has given some clues, isn't it? A few days ago I showed you a little bit the example of the time lapse photography, watching the heavens all the stars, the milky way, all of them is swirling except one, fixed. Then I say to you, This one they call the Polar star or the Polaris. Then you must find the Polaris within you, because everything else is moving. If everything is moving you can not judge any movement; if everything is moving then including you, the one perceiving is moving, you cannot judge any movement, it will not be accurate, it must be seen the movement from a still point. It's like trying to find the level on a boat in a stormy sea. What is the level of the boat? You will not be able to do it. If you are... You see? Like that! [Silence] It is so absolutely exquisite! The Self is here. That all of that, gatherings of great minds pondering over these things, 'Fufff!' It is nothing at all! Nothing at all! [Silence] Because there's no one here trying to be still, trying to be balanced, trying to be harmonious. That one has been fired long ago! He is a hoax! [Silence] What is left? [Silence] If you ask the mind and it has to put something there, it's a habit, it has to put something there, it cannot admit to not knowing. Many places, we're travelling sometime in India, wherever you go, if you are lost you ask someone, 'How do you get to this place?' Even if they don't know they tell you! 'Oh! You go there and now go there.' [Laughter] Can't find. You meet someone, they say, 'The temple is this one.' 'The temple? Which temple?' 'Which one?' 'Kali Temple?' 'Oh, no, no, no. You go there.' Even because they can't say, 'I don't know.' [Laughter] There's a lot of space, infinite space in, 'I don't know.' More than, 'I do know.' But the mind can't admit, 'I don't know.' [Q:] And also, the mind is somehow watched and observed and that's OK, but also that the body feels very present. I mean obviously it is, but I feel very this body, if you know what I mean, very confined to this body, that's also why before I say phenomenal, because it really feels life is all about these perceptions whereas through the senses or even the stillness emanation it feels, it's very much a vibration, in that sense; and I can see how these experiences exactly now what you're pointing to, that's clear and then my wonder is how to shorten that distance. Even this life, with this body and this perception as this stillness can be a very good life, beautiful trees, beautiful people, nice food, beautiful, really nice! [M:] It's not enough though. [Q:] Yes, exactly and that you're pointing to something beyond all of that. [M:] Yes. It is nice also, but it's not enough. [Q:] Yes. [M:] This is not stable, nothing is stable there. [Q:] Yes. And then the attention it's out to understand truly not only cognitively, because it's crystal clear what you're saying; it's not another language, I understand, but to inhabit it, so to say, to make it the experience, that's... [M:] This is where the difficulty comes, because to inhabit it you have to be something. Whereas I am nothing. You have to become an inhabitor, you have to become a tenant. I am not a tenant. The body is important, of course it is important, even for awakening it is very important. You see a flute on the floor, but it cannot play any music by itself. It needs a skilled player to turn the wind into music and poetry. The flute cannot play anything. And this body also is necessary for experiencing and even for contemplation and all of this, it is useful. It doesn't know its own usefulness. [Silence] You can come to a point when there is nothing more to figure out, unless you are in love with figuring things out. Some people are in love with figuring things out. [Silence] [Q:] And when all this that I'm describing is happening, what is naturally kind of balancing is trying to follow what you say and be like, 'Whatever, that's how it is,' and I take it like that. Sort of surrender to the fact that the experience now is this and life looks like that now to me, there is very much a sense of person-hood, many attachments, a lot of identity and I don't want to engage in a fight let's say, because when that is done I can see how it's just promoting... it's just a shift maybe from some sort of cause to another kind of cause, so I don't see the point. [M:] All your talking is from the mind and from the person. You say, 'If you follow what I'm pointing.' Nobody follows what I'm pointing. We all edit and interpret and you put something together and mix your own stuff out of it. [Laughter] If you follow, it's very simple and it leads right back to here. [Q:] Yes. [M:] And there you will not be going, 'How do I move from here?' And, 'But how does life look if I go in or here?' All of that is finished. [Q:] That's also frustrating, because it seems very easy actually, what you're saying, it feels like, 'OK. It should be just like ...' [M:] Why you don't try then? [Q:] Yes. Good point. [Laughter] [M:] Because even in Sahaja amongst many people who are living there, they are not employing the self-inquiry. Even in the days I'm sure of Ramana Maharishi's physical presence on this planet, many of his followers, devotees were not following the inquiry, and yet it is so unsparing, it is so exquisite, it is so powerful. But they followed their inclination to turn it into some ritual or to worship Bhagavan and bring flowers and stuff which is fine, fine, fine. But who is following the inquiry? And why not? Why not? Because its fruits are sweet and immediate. And yet no one follows. Why? You would rather speculate about it, 'What will happen if,' and 'When this happens what?' Why you don't find out? [Laughter] [Long silence] [M:] So many human beings, hundreds and thousands, I've met a few thousand and intelligent people and wouldn't listen, listen, you see that you miss it! You miss it altogether! Miss it altogether! Paying attention only to things that will soon change and become something else, everybody miss it. Missing the obvious! [Silence] Because in the end many people say, but when it comes to that point, maybe the excuses start to come, because we value too highly the sense of identity. If I loose my identity, who will I be? At the end everyone is holding onto the identity! You do all your sadhanas, your pilgrimages, your rituals, your pujas, climb mountains, beat yourself with whips and sit naked in caves, but when the moment comes, it comes down to this, 'I don't want to gamble with my identity.' [Silence] Big fear comes. [Silence] The one thing that seems to stand in the way, the one thing you protect, the one you run away with is the one you should run away from. [Silence] So if you listen on the basis of being a person you will not gamble, you will listen, but you will not put your money there. You'll listen and find if you can find another way, so you can keep the person and be free, to be free as the person, but freedom means freedom from the person, not for the person. What a mighty play! [Silence] God has put on a costume and a mask called a human being to play a game called, 'How can I find myself?' [Laughter] [Long silence] We're like actors who play role on the stage, King Henry the VIII. and it's so well played and then go home afterwards and can't get out of role and saying to his wife, 'Off with your head!' [Laughter] I feel that it was all meant to be fun, play like the way children play, but we fell asleep in it and took it all to be true, which is a part of the play. [Laughter] [Silence] And then we come together in a place called Satsang, asking, 'So, give me the final push back into me.' And, 'It just seems so impossible! 'How can I trust you?' I feel so near and lost!' [Silence] [M:] 'Why must I give up my mask, I like it. I like it, but "I am".' I say, OK, keep the mask, keep it, keep it. [Laughter] [Silence] Somewhere along the line we lost our sense of humour about the whole thing. [Laughter] [M:] I think it's time to read a letter or something. [Laughter] [M:] Thank you. [M:] So, another part of the play, we are here. 'Hi Mooji. Thank you for bringing this to a close. Could you speak a little bit about the relationship between phenomena and the Absolute?' [Laughter] [M:] From the perspective of phenomenality, there is big a relationship, so complex, so deep. From the perspective of the Absolute, nothing. [Laughter] So, if perfection in its most absolute sense means that even the perception of consciousness isn't there at all, why does consciousness arise in the first place?' [M:] For the one who think it does. I don't want to say things just willy-nilly, if you don't get it, because that would just be a waste. Because I'm also waiting to see how far you will drive in; we can look, we can keep going, but not if it's only going to be intellectual, then it's no point, it has to be felt, and it's not that you can go deeply, and more deep, more deep, more deep, but it must just be for fun, because you don't have to be digging so deep. If you dig so deep it's just for the pleasure, maybe the greatest joy of consciousness is to contemplate itself. 'So, if perfection in its most absolute sense means that even the perception of consciousness isn't there at all, why does consciousness arise in the first place?' Love from Finland. D'Marie. Or El' Marie? El' Marie. 'Thank you for being this to a close. Could you speak little bit about the relationship between phenomena and Absolute.' I don't feel to talk about that; relationship. 'If perfection in its most absolute sense means that even the perception of consciousness isn't there at all.' I have no trouble with the perceiving of consciousness and with the functioning of the senses and with the multiplicity and diversity of the expressions of consciousness and with the sense of being a person, I have no trouble with it. Enjoy, it's all the same one. Inside the heart you know. And you never get them mixed up, you never get these modes of expression mixed up and confused about them. Something automatically knows and moves in the appropriate way without deliberation, it is just functioning. 'So why does consciousness arise?' [M:] Why not? [Laughter] There is a beautiful world, some can see it as beautiful, some see it as ugly, some see it as beautiful and ugly, some doesn't see it, some see too much of it. [Silence] 'If perfection in its most absolute sense means that even the perception of consciousness isn't there at all.' [M:] Yeah. This is for one who has really contemplated. If you've really contemplated and you see that even the consciousness itself is the dream of the Absolute, but so what? This body is still here, the feeling of presence is still in it, it's moving about, it wants to enjoy its existence, why not? Nothing stands in the way, nothing stands in the way. Except if your mind has been conditioned to think in a certain way. and then you're stumbling over concepts and fighting to get out of a jungle that you only dream. If you know this, then all is fine. You can move in any environment and you will not be confused, but you will not have some deep urge, 'Oh, I want to try this environment now, now I want to try,' No, no, it's not like this. Spontaneously, you find yourself wherever you find yourself, but wherever you are you become the heart of that place. Not by intention. 'Dearest Lord Mooji. On September 18th I was walking in the night, began to pack and walked out of my life. I left my ex-fiance sleeping. I've tried to leave 4 other times in just this past year, but you told a woman in a Satsang when she was having trouble and wanting God to save her, 'God will not do it for you, but as you.' So, 'God will not do it for you but as you.' Reminds me somebody was saying, One man was saying, 'I'm not enjoying my life, I think God is playing with me. He is just playing about, like a cat with a mouse. I think God is playing with me!' I said, No, I don't think God is playing with you, God is playing as you! 'Aaah! That feels different!' Thinking is so amazing! So, four times you try to leave in one year, now you're out at the door, now with a bag; ex-fiance is sleeping. But you told a woman in Satsang when she was having trouble and wanting God to save her, God will not do it for you, but as you. That's what happened here. God packed me up. I'm leaving in my car and scheduled to come to Sahaja beginning of October. Members of the Sangha of Being contributed to get me through Paypal to get me there and come fully, openly and totally. I watch Zmar as a sangha of one and whenever I find free wi-fi. We shall see what happens next. I have never felt more loved and cared for than I do here now. Forever at your feet my Lord. Annette Joy.' It has happened that some people moved by whatever, not just for spirituality, but moved by some deep force, have walked out of their life in some way. I have many times spoken about this for myself also, 'I walked out of my life.' Still in the same house, but walked out of my life. What it means then? Just something moved like that, walked out of what represented a past and all of these things, not that my life was terrible, it's not that it was terrible, but it was not any big deal. Something came, arose inside and because of the presence of this which I call God, then that's when my life started, I have put. Something just everything changed. So, some power is there and it is a great thing to be able to do that. I am not advertising, I'm not encouraging, but if a time like that comes to make a radical shift in your life and it feels like life is supporting this, then simply say, 'Yes,' to existence and move. You may ask, 'But if I have children,' and so and so and so. If you don't force, the life will arrange something, it will arrange it. It will arrange something if you don't force, if you're not coming from determination, 'I am going next Wednesday whether anybody says this or that,' then this is coming from your mind. And my words can be easily misunderstood because I'm not saying to people, 'Oh, give up, leave your job.' Because some people are just waiting for that! 'Did he say leave?' [Laughter] You seem to want to say something very much, yeah? OK. You? Come then. [Q:] Hello Mooji. [M:] Hello. [Q:] God, this feels uncomfortable. So, probably, 3 months ago, a friend of mine that went to Sahaja introduced me to you. And I was having really rough time in my life, where I lost the person that I loved the most. Well, I probably would have loved myself, but I didn't and I made that person responsible for my love towards me and then pushed that person away and I also thought that I would I would not want to be alive, if I would loose this person, but then something happened in me, where I was just crying but, I wasn't suffering and I really felt alive. [Silence] I really want to not be stuck in my head all the time. [M:] Yes. [Q:] And being this body, but at the same time I just want to accept everything. But I still have this really big attachment to this person because it wasn't love that pushed us away, it was me who pushed him away. [M:] And why? [Q:] Because I didn't love myself, I hated myself and I hated being here and I was just doing and doing and doing and keeping busy and achieving things and... and I was successful, I did a lot of things, but then once it was done, it just didn't feel good; just felt nothing, empty. And then I just kept on keeping busy and didn't... kept on not wanting to be by myself, I could never be by myself and when I thought of being at a Silent Retreat for 7 days, it was like, 'How am I supposed to be shutting up for such a long time and being by myself?' But I'm here. [M:] How are you now then? As compared with what the state you had spoke about when you felt without real life force and just doing and not loving yourself. How is it? Does it change now? [Q:] I don't really know, but I want to be here, I haven't given up and I feel like something, there was some change of direction and i feel alive. [Mooji:] Yes. or sometimes I'm like, I just want to shoot peas; images in my head and stop these attachments continuously. [M:] Then I would suggest, please follow my pointing because it is quite straightforward, it is quite simple, it's not strenuous, it's not some long drawn out program just some simple steps. If you follow them without editing it and reinterpreting and so on it's very straightforward. You will find that space, you will come to recognize that space and by putting your attention on that space your functioning otherwise can continue, but you keep your mind in your heart, it's like always here and everything true will come and clarify itself to you. Everything will become clear for you. Just this. Just this. Not any great gymnastics, pay attention to the sense of Being, just to the sense of Being. Just be one with it. Don't try to manipulate or to change it into something or to use it, simply just be one with it. There's a sense in you which is not attached to anything at all. It is just a sense of existence, the sense of Being and it announces itself in this body in the form 'I am', the sense of presence. Simply be one with it. What it means, be one with it? Don't combine with any concept, because they will come, they will come especially as you try to just be in this state of solitary confinement, voluntarily, just be alone with a sense of Being. It's not a mantra or something, just pay attention to that. Initially some thoughts will come to try and catch your attention to bring it towards some object and to create some kind of noise, but you are not to follow them and even if many of them come all at once, don't worry, just stay like you are in your house and the door is locked and people are trying to come in and they cannot, because they can only come in if you open the door, so don't open the door to any thought let them be, give yourself a break from them and just be the Being, stay with it and yet you're not waiting, it's not that you're waiting, you are simply present and just watch this, keep watching this. We can begin by trying sometimes for like 7 minutes by itself, just focus on the sense of Being. If you persist with this, it will open up greater and greater space in you. It will reveal the peace that is there naturally; it will widen and deepen and heighten and expand if you want to say, but there will still be this silence in you. This is the thing to do! And that is the simplest pointer I can give. Anyone can practice that and by itself if something needs to be known, it will come naturally like a wave of illumination will come and you will just come to see something with such clarity; and more profoundly than if you try to study it with your mind. Some clarity, illumination, will simply come. I see people putting their hands up, but I would rather you listen to what I'm saying than hold your question right now. Because this is how it is, if you hold a question your ears stop working for what I'm saying. Please just let it go and be with what I'm saying, it's much more important than what you have to say. Stay with the sense of Being, it is already here. The very fact that you are here and you are aware of your Self it springs from that 'I am' consciousness, the sense of presence, the sense of Being, it is naturally here. Don't imagine you have to go and get something special, it is already here, it is just when you say 'I', the implication of 'I', meaning, is consciousness. So just stay as the consciousness and don't divide, don't split, don't go with any thought and simply be here. Don't fall asleep. [Silence] And it is not a blank, it is not a blank and yet it is not an image, it is not a blank and it is not an image. If you want you can say that it's the most subtle vibration of pleasantness and relax-ness that will be felt, but that's not a definition of it. And gradually, it flowers into love, in fact, just like love. Not love for any particular thing, a very wide feeling of love and contentment; and you will begin to enjoy and love to be this. So I'm not putting in front of you a set of concepts to practice, simply to stay in this already presence, the feeling of Being, the sense 'I am', the sense 'I'. Don't focus on any problem, 'Yes, this is my problem, this is what I have to do,' because in order to address this what I think, what I'd like to do, this is my problem, you have to stay being a person who has the problem. And when the person fixes one problem it hasn't fixed all problems, more problems is going to come for this person. So leave that, that is small change, don't worry about that. Simply stay with the sense of being and you will find a sense of completeness, a natural sense of completeness. If you work with the mind it will keep on shapeshifting, another thing will come, 'Ah, and by the way there is this, and while we're on this subject, there is this.' And you find yourself saying, 'Sorry, I have 3 questions.' And there's no end to it. The only rest you get is the one that Grace gives you in the form of sleep; to drop your mind, but like this immediately even in the waking state you find and come to your own natural serenity in the midst of the activities of life. You don't have to go off to some mountain or to even an ashram, you'll stay in the ashram of your own Being. You don't need to tell anyone this. Stay in the cave of your own heart. And this is the way. Just being one with the sense of Being, stay with it. In the beginning, like I say, you may find that some forces are coming just to push you off balance, so to speak, but don't give into them, just if you feel that you've lost something don't dwell on that, simply come back into this, stay in your center, just be there. And again acutely don't fall asleep, because that's something that's very near, it wants to come, as soon as you are quiet and you don't give any food to your mind, it starts to, it wants to be doing this, but you observe that and you know that is just a crafty little state, so don't go there, pay attention to the awareness itself and you will find that somehow like a bright awareness, it's not the sleepiness. And don't try to figure out anything or think and it's not a blank, if there is a blank then the blank is perceived, no big deal; and it's not an image, so don't be thinking. Don't try and see the 'I am' or something. And little by little you find the correct balance by itself, it just comes, it just comes. Like the old Polaroid camera. You take a film, 'click', you see nothing; and gradually it comes into an image. But this is the other way, reverse Polaroid. Start with image and it reverses into emptiness. And you are like this somehow and yet there is full joy, full sense of space and you know, you are in your full health, your inner health, like this you do it. Don't itemize any checklist of problems, they belong to the person, just like this, nicely, you are slipping back into the heart of Being. Then from there, you will find that whatever you have to do in life you continue doing, nothing will trouble you. Nothing will trouble you. [Q:] Thank you. [M:] Thank you, that's good. [Long silence] [Q:] Hello Mooji. [M:] Hello. [Q:] It's so simple. [M:] Ah, yeah. Thank you. [Q:] I feel so happy. [M:] Yes, yes, yes. [Q:] That's all I have to say. [M:] Yes. [Q:] Nearly. [M:] Yes, yes, yes. [Q:] No, really, [M:] Yes. [Q:] I feel that I've been on the path for about more than 20 years and here now it just opens [M:] Yes. [Q:] in this moment. [M:] Yes. [Q:] And I want to thank you, thank you for your openness, for your strength, for your love, for not being a person. Really thank you. [M:] Yes, yes, yes. And also last retreat I told you that my wife was sick and that her life was in stake and that she encouraged me to come to the retreat. [M:] Yes, I remember. [Q:] And the good news is that she is better. [M:] Very good. [Q:] And even though she has to go through some check ups, she has opened completely, [M:] Yes. [Q:] thanks to her illness. [M:] Very good. [Q:] And she asked me to, because you sent her a message. [M:] Yes. [Q:] Sorry, I'm shaking like a ... I would like to read it. And she said, 'I am infinitely grateful for the blow of life that flourishes in me day after day. My deepest thanks for your loving message that moved me so much and made me say, "Yes! Yes! Yes!" from all of my heart. With all my love, Hanend.' [M:] Very good. Very good. [Q:] Really extremely moved. [M:] Yes. Very good. Very good. I am very happy when someone can testify to the simplicity of what is being pointed. Because it can seem, 'But no, I mean, how can it be so simple,' and the mind wants to make more of it, 'No, I'm sure there's something he is not telling us or so.' And I said, No, no no, make a start with what we say and follow through. And you come nicely, nicely; it's like something is just being undressed, of all these layers of ideas and conditionings and all of this stuff which you don't need. And come back to a beautiful emptiness and there you see the life is flowing and it is you. You're flowing and you are still. Like you are flowing and you are still. Something is flowing you call life, yes, and at the same time you're the stillness in it. No human being can do that with human mind alone. But behind the human fascade is the Supreme and the Grace of the Supreme. It's right here. Only to remove that arrogance or to leave it and come deeper in, then all this become clear for you. Don't stay on the surface arguing like waves, be in the deep. [Q:] I had an image that I was diving on a rubber mattress on the ocean and I was trying to dip in the ocean, but I was trying to go through the mattress. [M:] Ahaaa. [Q:] And today you pushed me out of the mattress and I'm swimming. [Laughter] What triggered this joy is the humour that you allow and I feel that I've been looking for inquiry in this, and taking myself so seriously, 'I have to find... where is it? Oh no! That's blocking me! Oh, come on, get out of the way, ssss,' a fight, and then this humour, opens everything, I think. [Laughter] I would like to share a little story about sugar. [M:] Sugar? OK. [Laughter] You've been talking with a doctor about it? [M:] Okay. [Laughter] [Q:] By the way I wanted to thank the doctors and the doctor for saving my wife's life. [M:] Yeah. Yeah. [Q:] Really. They don't have to be guilty about that. So the sugar, it's Mullah Nasiruddin, he is well known personage in different traditions, he doesn't exist, but he is alive and a mother comes one day to him and says, 'Could you tell my son not to eat sugar anymore, because he is eating a lot of sugar.' Mullah Nasiruddin thought a little bit and he said, 'OK. Come back next week.' So the mother comes back next week. And the mother comes and the boy sits and Mullah Nasiruddin says, 'Don't eat sugar anymore.' 'OK.' And the woman says, 'Why did you have to wait for one week?' 'Because I was eating sugar myself and I had to stop that to be able to tell him to not to eat sugar.' [Mooji:] Very good. [Q:] I would love to have a hug from you. [M:] Come. Very good. Very good. [Q:] So glad to meet you. [M:] Yes, good, good, good. So good. [Q:] You're like my father and my brother. Thank you, Mooji. [M:] Thank you. Thank you. Feel so good. [M:] Good, good. [Q:] It's wonderful. [M:] Yes. [M:] Good, good, good. Thank you. [M:] You? Yes. [Q:] Thank you, Mooji. [M:] Thank you. [Q:] I would like to ask your help dealing with the grief. Here in being the silence this is only or mainly what is with me. [Silence] 6 weeks ago my son decided to end his life. I still decided to come here, I think it will be good for me, but the main thing that I'm dealing with is questions and... [M:] Is what? [Q:] Dealing with the questions. [M:] Okay. [Q:] And I'm listening your beautiful answers and guidelines, but I can't let go fully, because how you can accept this thing that... Yesterday you said that if you see it from the sun perspective that no clouds can cover you. [M:] Yes. [Q:] Somewhere I can understand and I have been in that stillness all the way. I think the life has prepared me for this. [M:] Yes. [Q:] Somehow I can look this thing above that, but here it is so intense and I think why... do we manifest itself those things happening to us? Or life gives us challenging, that the last years I have dealt with myself and spiritual growth and yoga and I thought my well-being gives radiance to children also, but my prayer or statement was that I trust life whatever it brings to me. [M:] Yes. [Q:] And I don't have expectations and I have that detachment and if I say to this, maybe life gives me test, 'So here it is, can you deal with this?' Is it that so? [M:] It includes that. It's wider than that, I cannot limit it to that, but it includes this also, these expressions come. Well, I don't want to put it that life is testing you in that deliberate way. Life is just being life and we perceive depending upon the strength of our attachments, depending upon the strength of the attachments, you feel that life is doing something to you. Why did life treat me like this, because we want something to be different. And you say that your yoga and different practises have been preparing you in some way you can say, for not just this, maybe for everything, but it includes this moment also. I remember in India in 1994, while I was in India, my son passed away here and totally unexpected, not sick, nothing at all, 'Voom!' Like this. Is gone! And people had come after this moving forward a bit and say, 'Oh, you know, why did this happen?' And, 'You know, he is such a nice person; you're such a good this,' and so on. So I said, No. No. No. He went right on time, it was his time to go, that is my feeling. To say that, 'He died so young and he didn't get a chance to fulfill.' I don't go with those kind of thoughts and sentiments. I don't see the value of them! Every day billions and billions of life forms are transmuting and it's just happening like this also, but our attachments to each other and through love and care and the mother's love, father's love, all of this is where somehow the tax for having a life somehow seems to be that we will reap the fruits of pain sometimes when the ones you love they move on, sometimes just leaving home, or in your case you say your son had this urge to end his life and like this. Don't see it like life did something to you, it gives a very powerful it's a very very powerful also gift to you, to use your life also for the highest and leave him to God. Leave everything to That. Leave everything to That. Meditate with him in your heart or pray for him that his being moves on into higher states of consciousness. He is not suffering, perhaps in the body he was suffering, on some level we don't know. You can be the best mother, the best parent, the best parents, you cannot guarantee how your children will think and what will happen with them. [Q:] Yeah, the same, the self-blame is there that what I... that I wasn't enough or... [M:] I don't agree. I don't agree with it. I don't agree. Unless something deliberate, if you can look and say, 'Well, I treated him badly, when he wanted to talk, I told him, "I don't have time for you," and so on.' Then you may say you have a cause to be remorseful about it. But if you have done what you can, life has so varied expressions and beings have come, you don't know, we read a chapter here but the whole book you don't know. And if you put... we put so much emphasis on the physical aspect of ourselves, the physical form and become attached to that, so of course pain will be there also. It is very difficult to avoid that, even for awakened beings. [Silence] But, look into what you are grieving about particularly, go to the center of it and see what is the main, where is the main stabbing, what is it about, what is it that burns you so much. Because we all have to leave this form at some point. [Q:] No, that I understand, but the poor soul, that he was suffering and I couldn't help him. [M:] Yes. Also this is true too. It's a very, very powerful place when you are not able to be helpful. We always want to be helpful. And sometimes you cannot be helpful at all. [Q:] I invited him here also. [M:] Yes. Yes. Sometimes only when we go to that state of intense helplessness you find somehow the courage to go, to go deeper into your humility and doors open for you. You will know. But don't be trying to analyse his life from where you look. No one can understand that. You've done your part. You cannot do more than your part. [Q:] And then it feels wrong that I enjoy the life after this. [M:] He would not want you to suffer it. [Q:] I know. [Silence] After I get this freedom, those things still come along, but we act differently. [M:] Yeah. [Q:] Or it gives guarantee that if I will be free then only good things are flowing to my life. [M:] Yes. Yes. They lessen in their impact, actually as they come. Because it's not that you are suffering from something truthful necessarily, you can be just suffering from your own projections about it. As you come into your own truthful pure nature all of this somehow it will change in its quality. Sometimes we feel it's an expression of our loyalty and faithfulness to the loved ones to suffer in their name, but I don't think this is good. To say, 'Oh, you know, I should feel guilty,' like you're doing justice to their life. Far better to be happy and to be free, to find freedom. So when you say,'Bless you,' it has a power. When you say, 'Bless you,' it has a power. Sometimes somebody comes out and they're talking like this, but they come out of a pub and completely trashed, and he comes to you and goes, 'Yeah, yeah, man, bless you. Bless you. God bless.' You see? What power it has? 'Ble... uh uh vo.' Bless you.' One who has really whose mind is baptised in the heart this one saying, 'Bless you,' this has something. Bless your son like that. Widen your love, deepen your understanding, bless the world. [Silence] [Q:] Bless you. [M:] Thank you. [M:] Come here. [M:] Thank you for sharing. [Long silence] [M:] Very good. [Q:] Hello Mooji. I just had to be here, so I just got up maybe it was not my place, but here I am anyway. I met you through YouTube 5 months ago. I got your pointing, very simple, and I tried it and the very next day my life changed completely. There was so much space, so much happiness and more than happiness was joy and just a week before I was suicidal. I decided that I want to end my life, there was no point. I believed that it got so bad that there was really no point to hang around. So, all of a sudden, there is this joy inside, and I've been smiling and laughing and be detached in a loving way since then. I kept watching your videos, I had no intention to come and then one day a month ago I got up and I asked my husband, 'Just get a couple of tickets, I'm going.' And of course synchronicity worked and here I am. This is my first Satsang with you and my last one. And I wanted to say that not knowing why I was here, Grace actually showed me yesterday why. Fully knowing that the mind always is around and attacking and all that and all I had to do was to watch it. Yesterday was very, very vicious. So, as I was meditating outside it just came to me, it just came and I had this vision of memories of my family, my daughter getting in trouble and me not knowing what to do with her, her attempt to hang herself when she was 13 and the feeling of guilt and then even the vision of the woman that my husband had an affair with 2 years ago and as I opened my eyes and I'm startled, there is a man in front of me eating ice cream, and I'm thinking, 'Hey, ice cream will be great now.' And I'm like, 'Wow, that's what the mind does, it comes and goes. [M:] Yes. [Q:] And without... there is full compassion for me and all of us believing the mind when it gets really, really nasty. And for the things that happen to us and to our family and loved ones, that they seem so... to be so impossible to overcome. It's all mind, it's all outside, it's all coming and going, coming and going, coming and going. My daughter has major problems with me being here and there's nothing I can do, and there's nothing I will do! As the Self everything is fine, it's better than fine, there is nothing, there's absolutely nothing and by the way, my favourite piece of a little... piece of... it was a part of a Satsang probably, was when you actually told us that there is nothing, there was nothing, nothing that just could appear and could come to convince you that there was something, there is absolutely nothing. So, I wanted to thank you. I'm prepared, of course, that's... I don't have to even be prepared and now I am here and I love you. [M:] Yes. [Q:] And thank you so much. [M:] Thank you. Thank you. [Q:] Could I have a hug? [M:] Yes, yes, yes. [Q:] That's it Mooji. That's it. Thank you so much. [M:] Thank you. I want to say one thing, because you say, 'OK. This is my first Satsang and will be my last.' And I always will encourage you, don't conclude anything. Perhaps it is last, doesn't matter, but don't hold anything in your mind, any intention, because somehow though it may seem just like a give-away statement, just keep it completely open, don't put any stickers on anything and just be like an empty space, like that. [Q:] OK. Thank you. [M:] Thank you, my love. [Q:] I love you. [M:] I love you too. Thank you. [M:] You? You. OK, you come here. [Q:] Thank you, Mooji. [M:] OK. [Silence] [Q:] I just have this heart left and I just want to give it to you. Just fill it with your love and make you prayers come true. That's all. [M:] Very good. [Q:] Let this body to be of some good use. That's all. [M:] It's good. [Q:] Hello Mooji. [M:] Hello. [Q:] Ah! I'm trembling. There is a lot moving in me like a fire burning. A year ago you answered a letter I wrote and you said, 'Stop trying so hard.' And this morning I was standing in a line and I was listening to my radio station upstairs, number 1, number 9, 'Be good. Be nothing.' [Laughter] I was number 9. What a joke! [Laughter] And I tried so hard this trying hard is like Harry Potter's invisible cloak and underneath is everything that cluttered up in me and everything that is good, the whole personality, I wanted to look in the mirror and see nothing. So I took the cloak, the invisible cloak and I saw nothing and it's so strenuous to want to keep this cloak of nothing so badly, so hard. [M:] Let me hear you again, now you say, 'It takes so much energy to... [Q:] To put on this invisible cloak. [M:] Oh, to put it on? The invisible cloak of...? [Q:] All I am, all the personality, [M:] I see. [Q:] which I don't want to be. [M:] Yeah. So, its dropped. [Q:] Yeah. [Q:] It is finally dropped! [M:] It's dropped, it's dropped. [Q:] Yeah. [M:] You don't have to pick it up. [Q:] And since then it's like a burning fire in my heart. [M:] Yeah. [Q:] and the mind goes, 'Wrooommm!' [M:] It's OK, it will do that. In the furnace the burning wood makes some noise. So, there is nothing to solve now. When you're in this fire there is no time to work things out or to even to understand. Just when I say before, Welcome and step into this fire of self-discovery. This fire will not burn you, it will burn only what you are not. And so, be in that fire and keep your hands like this and burn. And burn, let it burn! It's a beautiful burning, it's a beautiful burning, almost it replaces sadhana. It's a fire that replaces sadhana. Meaning that you don't have to practice, it's not a fire of practice, it's fire of surrender. You have stepped out of one heavy garment, no? Of past and intention, and effort and struggle and strife and identity. 'Wahh!' You drop him! I've seen one thing, when first time I saw, one friend showed me, want to show me spider, tarantula, I first saw. And I looked and I say, But he's not moving. He is not moving? He looks so transparent. He said, 'No. That is the old skin, that's the old body.' I said, What? 'It's the old body.' You are sure it's whole body? Then he flicked the piece of wood and the tarantula come out and looking around and he stepped out of that old body, left it there, and he's gone. You have to drop this body like tarantula body. The whole body and be nobody [Laughter] with a body. [Laughter] So this is why the fire is burning in this body because then only this body become a temple. The fire burning in this temple burn what is not true. That's all. Nothing to work out and so on. And trust also. And you will see that, when I say trust it means, if you identity again we go into the whole thing of acting prematurely out of fear. The egoic identity is always trying to do something before it lands on the ground. And this is why the fruits are always unripe; and we complain, 'Why is this bitter taste, life tastes bitter.' Because you don't allow it to show you its ripe juicy mango. You are too hurry, hurry. So, when I say like this, Leave it, don't try to work anything out and trust, meaning that when something needs to be known it will come to you. Don't think you have to go and bring it or go shopping for it, it will come to you. Once you have experienced this a few times a natural confidence comes and a trust, 'All is good, don't worry.' When everybody is running, running, running, you can simply keep quiet, if you feel that's what it wants you to do is keep quiet, don't panic. Not everybody practice sadhana. This fire of Grace can burn a lot of old debris is burnt like that and something emerges from this, yeah, resurrected, into your own true nature and if there's more to, if there's some sadhana to come you will intuitively come to know, because it will manifest like an urge within you and you will just simply cooperate with that urge and you would go where it goes. This is a beautiful life like that. The mind in a way tries to sell you another version of your life or a pirate copy, try and sell you another version, 'Try it like this, this will work. And sometime we become attached to this version. And now it's time to be back in the true Self which is not a version; and maybe some attachment is still for the version, but you will develop an aversion to it, 'Don't want this.' So... We have to also learn to read correctly the vital force of life, because sometimes mind interprets something which is fundamentally good and interprets it as something negative. And then we believe this negative model or mode and believe it into existence and then we are suffering something which is only a point of view. This will happen less and less as you discover and enjoy your own Being more and more; and then you will not be so vulnerable or susceptible to the influence of the egoic mind or the hypnosis of conditioning and its effects, they will dry up. So win, win all the way for you. [Q:] May I come up? [M:] Yes. [M:] Someone really has a good question for me and a good something? Is it you? Who is coming? [Q:] Guruji. [M:] Hello. [Q:] I am one of these who had troubles to come here. First I lost my passport and they told me to come here with a driver's licence. So, I drove very fast to the airport. Then police stopped me and wanted to take my driver's licence. [Laughter] And then I said, 'Please don't do this now. It's too much for me.' And then I started to cry and he said, 'OK, just pay 100 Euros.' And then I left and got the plane. So, I'm here now and I would love to feel this, how it feels when it burns, what you said before, and I want to feel this more being into my, I say, Being because I easily get out of this. [M:] Yes. [Q:] Like when I loose my passport or something like this. [M:] Yeah. What happens when you loose your passport? What happens? [Q:] I don't know, I was looking for it for 3 hours in my house, it's gone, I don't know. [M:] I remember one girl, she came to the house and she say like this... [Q:] I'm sure it's somewhere, but I couldn't find it. [M:] Yes, yes, yes. She said, 'Today is an amazing day because I lost my home, because I lost my relationship, because I was living in with my boyfriend, and it was his house, it's finished so the house is gone, boyfriend gone, house is gone, lost my phone also.' So, I was looking at her and she says, 'I feel great.' [Laughter] 'All the things I value so much, so much value, and then suddenly like this it's gone and I expected to feel terrible and for some reason, I don't know, maybe I'm a freak, but I feel really good. I feel like empty, open to some fresh possibilities, and I don't know anything, nothing is in front. Nothing is in front!' So, sometimes these things happen, it happens very often with people coming to Satsang actually, I don't know why. [Q:] I felt that it was the decision coming here. Even the passport was gone and I think, 'I want to go there,' and it happened. [M:] Yes, yes. This is very good. You are here. Now you leave passport, leave everything. Everything brought you here then now you leave everything for a moment, just leave it aside, I mean, I don't say, Go take your garments and burn them, but just leave everything aside now. Don't associate with anything for a bit. Really try and follow this now. For one moment, while we are here talking just for this duration leave everything, all your associations, attachments, all your ideas about life and who you are and what was past and what should be the future and what you want, being awake, leave everything, even that, even the desire to be awake. Leave everything for a moment! Every, everything! Nothing in the account, close the account, finish. No 'with' me 'and', no 'and', no 'with', just you. Don't save, not even a hair pin, don't identify with anything. [Silence] And everything you learnt, everything, every thought, you don't have to do one by one, but you can have this just this very overall vision, every thought you see that they came after you, they're not original, you picked them up in the life. Everything you picked up in life, every notion, just somehow you can do it, just in your heart you can say, 'Just for a moment I'm putting everything down. I don't know what is possible or not possible, but my attitude I leave, everything. Everything! Everything! Including my sense of self I leave everything here.' You do this now for me. Yes. Anyone can participate, there's room for everybody in this. Leave everything, everything aside! Everything aside! There's nothing to suppress, don't suppress your senses, they are fine, they are not any trouble. Just you are here, and like that. Don't be concentrating on anything, you can do this now, you can do it. Leave everything, I just want to see you without any association at all, completely empty, beyond even the concept of empty. This ability is in you always, to ground zero. Taran, help. OK, like this. How are you here? [Q:] I can see better and I feel very light and more expanded. [M:] Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. [Q:] More connected [M:] Yes. [Q:] to the earth. [M:] Yes. Yes. [Q:] And also with here. [M:] Yes. Yes. Carry on empty, empty, keep going empty, empty. Empty, empty. Comb everything out. Comb everything out, everything out. Not holding anything, you're not a container. You're not a container! You're not containing anything at all; yes, beautifully you're doing. Let everything go! Maybe, you will live maybe 30, 40, 50 years and you have never done this, now today you do. Empty everything! Everything empty, empty, empty! Don't touch anything at all! Leave everything aside until you find that there's nothing left you can take, then stay as what remains. [Silence] Don't think about it, do it! Everything! Take no hostages with you, everything leave, no friendships, no relationships, nothing at all, leave it now. I want you to look at something that in life perhaps you have never seen. not see only with your fleshly eyes, but see with eye of perception somehow, be left completely, something is going to be here, I want you to meet Him. [Silence] [M:] Very good. [M:] Why are you crying? [Q:] It's actually not sadness, I'm very touched now. [M:] Yes. Keep going empty. Empty, empty, empty, empty, empty. Like a plug hole, it take the plug out, nothing can be contained in you, whatever goes, goes right through. Nothing! So you're just like space, present in space. Not a container. And feel now, feel your being. Yes. So, there are no parts, no pieces, just one. Now drop even concept of one. Yes. [Long silence] No imagination needed, not imaging, don't imagine anything; nice clean, clear like space. So you're not making anything up. You make something up, you're going to have to keep it up, you're not making anything up. You're only discovering what is here. Does not require any effort in itself, now you are discovering somehow what is behind the curtain, what is behind the curtain of this world. Very good. [Silence] You can say something now? [Q:] It was great adventure! [M:] Adventure? [Q:] Like an experience. [M:] Yes. Is it finished? [Q:] I don't know. It's never finished. [M:] Never finished. [Q:] I just want to finish the old stuff. [M:] Where is the old stuff right now? [Q:] I cannot feel it at the moment. There is nothing. [M:] Just like this. Just like this! [Silence] [Q:] Do I have to burn something now? [M:] Do you have to burn something? Not especially, no. [Laughter] [Q:] OK. [M:] Yes. Forget about burning. Just remain like that. [Q:] Thank you. [M:] Just remain like that! And the mind might come, 'OK. I've been remaining like this now for 10 minutes, nothing is happening.' You're not looking for happenings, let happenings happen, you're not behind them. You stay here. You love this place? [Q:] Yes. It's very peaceful. [M:] Yes, just keep loving it. Honoring it. Acknowledge it. Be one with it, like that. And leave the rest, don't worry about the rest. [Long silence] Yes. Very good. [Silence] OK. You can make it back to your seat now? You will be good? [Q:] Yes. Thank you. [M:] Very good, very good. OK. Someone who has not come up yet. Who is it? You come. [Q:] Hi Mooji. [M:] Hello darling. [Q:] I would like to figure out something with you. [M:] OK. [Q:] I'm able to follow you, what you did just now and it's beautiful, but I know me, what I'm doing afterwards; and you said, 'The mind can imitate the Self and I think my mind is doing this. [M:] Yes. [Q:] And it becomes clever and more clever, more clever, because each experience I really have, it's building in the system. [M:] But if you catch the cleverness of the mind then you're not caught by him. If you can see his cleverness you have exposed him, no? [Q:] Yes. You cannot be caught, no? [Q:] That's what happened when I'm in a state like that. [M:] Yes. [Q:] And I go out and I don't recognize when it changed. I still think I'm in it and when I meet you again I see I am out! I was not in it anymore, but it looks like and then I become confused. [M:] Then you have to be in it as It. Don't be in it like you go into a room and there's a room and you in it. When you go in it, you must become It. [Q:] You mean in it, in this state? [M:] Yes. [Q:] I am in it. [M:] Yes. As It? [Q:] Yes. [M:] As It? [Q:] Yes. [M:] How will you come out then? [Q:] My mind imitate started disappearing. [M:] Yes, so your mind imitates, yes, that it is... Yes. OK. But you know your mind is imitating? But you say you don't know until... [Q:] I lost it again. And this I only see when I see more reality again. [M:] Yes. [M:] Include the mind. Let the mind play, trying to immitate you, being in you. Because if it is imitating, it's imitating this thing, and you feel, 'OK, I'm here and in this state, I'm just here, just perfectly...' Then the mind comes and then what does it say? How does it do? It creates a switch? [Q:] No. [M:] No? What happened? [Q:] It really imitates it very well. [M:] Right, do you know the difference between the mind and your Self? [Q:] No. That's why I'm caught. [M:] Well, you can be without the mind, but the mind cannot be without you. This kind of psychological mind I'm saying. You are watching, like I'm looking at my hand, my hand is not looking at me. You are the place of sentience, it begins with you, the consciousness. You are aware of the mind it's not the mind is saying, 'Look, I'm aware of you.' So, some involvement with the mind, the feeling and thought like that, triggers this behavior from the mind and then the show goes on, because you are the audience to it in a way, no? [Q:] Yeah, now comes up, another question I have to you. When I was 32, I came in a state for months where it just I was, it was just life. [M:] Yeah. [Q:] But then I didn't know what to do with it and I thought and I'm not sure and this I would like to ask you if it was a wrong decision, my decision was to let it go and to come first in my heart because when I'm in my heart I know what to do. [M:] Yes. [Q:] But now I came more in my mind, it looks like. Do you understand what I'm say? [M:] I'm listening. You say that some while ago it was like this, totally spontaneous, you know that you are life, you are life itself. [Q:] I gave up everything, my flat, my work, my friends, and I just left and this brought me in a... [M:] Did you leave of your own volition? Did you decide, 'I think I must leave?' Or is it that something inside compelled you to leave? [Q:] Yeah, but I did it and this was perhaps wrong. Perhaps I should have waited until I would have been guided. [M:] I see the trouble now. The trouble is the 'I'. The trouble is the 'I'. You kept the 'I', the 'I' is kept, the one who is responsible, the one who decides, 'I did that, I made a mistake.' 'I', and it's this 'I' that the mind is imitating in front of him. Because it's there and something cares about this 'I' which is identity for the moment. You are deeper than this 'I' identity. Because identity strongly believed in, identity becomes 'I' entity, it begins to be like it's a separate thing, like it's real, but it's only thought based, its only a thought, believed in deeply it becomes like a thing, it becomes like a being, it's a fake being, it's not true. But then the consciousness adopts this portrait and starts to live as though it is this 'I' and when you say like this, 'Yes, and then the mind comes, and the mind is imitating, it imitates and then I'm lost. The mind can, as I said before, It can only intimidate the idea you have of yourself, it cannot intimidate the pure Self. It just cannot, it doesn't happen. [Q:] Does it mean what I felt as a being when I was 32 was not real? Or could it be real [M:] It was, yes. [Q:] and the 'I' was just waiting for a good moment to come in again? [M:] Yes, it's more like this. It is real, but somehow the 'I', the 'I' concept, sort of came up again, which is perceivable, something you perceive it, but when strong identity, you loose your vision to see it, the more strong your identity the less you're able to observe the 'I' as phenomenal, the 'I' becomes real and when you believe it to be real you don't challenge its existence anymore, you protect its existence. You follow? We follow this? It's very important, because just this understanding, you caught him. You simply catch him everytime up to you start to laugh actually, because he is quite funny, but you don't catch him, somehow little troubles. One thief in a whole town can bring a lot of sorrow and mischief. One thief undetected can bring a very healthy happy town, bring it into sadness and frustration, if he is not caught. Same way, this 'I' person seems to be this 'I', we should try and support this 'I' to get out of trouble, but this 'I' is a factory for trouble. This same 'I', meaning that the 'I' is not in its right place, it's still playing as this person and the person is having the trouble and we're taking the person to be real and trying to solve his problems, but he and his problems go together. You'll solve this problem, you will make more. And then somehow something tries to protect the person because you feel, 'That's all I know. That's all I am, I can't be more than I am.' And this voice we also take to be real, but also it is illusion, it's delusion, it's not true. As your realization opens up into the real you will see the total unreality of this ego identity. [Q:] I see it when I'm in it. [M:] Yes, yes. When you are in it, it means that you are the recovering consciousness and when you come back into your state of soberness meaning that you are unassociated with the ego you can see him very clearly, but when you're mixed with him you don't see him, like a mixture of sand and sugar, you don't detect, which is the sugar, you don't detect. You have to be like the wise ant that takes out the sugar and leaves the sand. [Q:] It looks like I am in it still. [M:] Yes. [Q:] And it's not. But I can't see it. [M:] And where you're speaking from and who are you speaking as? Let's catch this before we go to lunch. Who are you speaking as and where are you speaking from when you say that? 'I see this, I see the mind, I can see it, especially when I'm in the space, but then quickly I go out and I loose,' Who is speaking here? Please, please look into yourself, because you use the same voice. Who is speaking here? Is it the Self? Is it the pure Self? [Audience:] No. No. [M:] No. No. It is some distortion, it still goes by the name 'I', but it's not sitting quite right in its place. This is why I call it the recovering consciousness, because it has been somehow distorted by identifying with the egoic characteristics and he still has that sleep in him, still has that trouble in him. Sometimes not sure 'Am I the mind, am I the ego or am I the Self?' Bit blurred. So, the Satsang help you to discern the difference between the Self which is the ability to discern, 'That's him. There he is.' As you see him, then you know you cannot be him, when you don't see him you feel, 'Maybe I am him.' This is what's happening. [Q:] When I listen to other people when they speak, I can follow and it's very interesting. [M:] Yes. It has all to do something with me. [M:] Yes [Q:] Is this the right way to do it or is it still... [M:] The one you are speaking as at the moment because the consciousness has stabilized a bit in this identity, do you see it? It istabilized, so what happens it keeps referring to everything from this position of identity, but it's not yet home. Can you see? You see? I need to know. Can you see this even as you speak that the consciousness is speaking from a position, 'Yes, I want to stabilize and I see, but when people speak I can understand, but then somehow am I the...' So, this one, who is this one? Because if you take it to be the fact of who you are, then you will not go further, you will start from the fact and then you will deal with whatever is appearing for the fact, but the power of this non-dual seeing is that from the beginning, we are checking whether the mind is part of this package or not. In other paths sometimes the mind is included in the journey of Self discovery. So he goes along nicely, enjoying spirituality, doing nice. Just enjoying, but for here he is not included from the beginning, he is questioned from the beginning, 'Who are you?' 'I'm with her.' 'No, no, no, but only she is invited.' 'Yeah but, it was two or one.' Whereas before, 'No.' On one credit card both of you are there. One passport but two of you are there, and you think you are one. So, this thing, the influence of the identity of the mind is still there and now I'm pushing a little bit to see, Can you go further back? Can you reverse more inside so that this position that you're speaking from now becomes something you can see more clearly, because the capacity, the power is with you, the advantage is with you because you are the sentient one. The mind is only like the moon, the moon has no light of its own, they say that it's only the reflected light of the sun, the sun is this light the sun is the sentient one, the moon is only the reflected one. So, the moon-mind depends upon the sun's the heart-sun on it's light because it has no light of its own. Sometimes you can see the moon in the day time when the sun is here you can see the moon sometime but nobody pay attention to the moon when the sun is here. And so the ego identity will become like that, it will be just like a disc in the sky, nobody pay attention, because the sun of real understanding is here now. And there is no confusion in him. So, this thing that we are speaking about and the position, because even it's there, in your body language it's there also, you can see him and he is tired you, he has made you tired also, isn't it? He takes your energy, he is a blood sucker, he's in there, so we have to get him out. Isn't it? There is only one victory, it has to be yours. Don't fix your position too much in this present state, this present state also is a bit contaminated, it's not stable, it's got consciousness in it, because consciousness is even in the most difficult ego, consciousness is the support, but too much of mixture of other things, so even here he is still keeping things blurred, it works to the mind's devious advantage to keep things blurred, because the minute you see clearly is a countdown for him, it doesn't wan to know this. So as much distraction as can be created somehow it seems like he has his hand in it, but it is you who observe this contamination. So we are asking from a place, it's OK, and in many parts your answer will be addressed from this part, from this position, but I'm saying to you, No, come more in, into, in behind this posture whereby you can see this one, from this place, where you are asking from at the moment, because you are asking from a position of some doubt. Sometimes you say, 'I see him,' because you are the consciousness, when you are not too associated with him you can see him, when you are more combined with him you can't see him and most of us, we've been too combined with the mind so you don't see it, we even protect him because it gives the sense of what? Of insecurity and vulnerability which then you believe is yours which you then try to protect naturally and you're protecting him, you keep; he has life with you. These are some of the ways you're watching and observing how these energies are working. So you know now that even this place where, 'Yeah, yeah, when I am there, he is weak, when I go out then he is strong.' What is noticing this? What is noticing this? Because the fact is already going before the conclusion. The fact is that it is noticed that from here, 'I go when I am in the state of unity I can see the mind trying something, but he is weak. When I go out I don't know at what point he slips in.' Smart! 'When I go out I don't know at what point he slips in, but at some point he slips in and then somehow I am a little bit abstracted, I'm a bit missing until I see someone like you and then, 'Oh! I'm out!' This is a kind of hypnosis, isn't it? And all the beings are suffering from a state of hypnosis where you believe you are the person only. The consciousness is contracted in the form of only person. Whereas more you are the presence and when you are presence you see the mind, but he is not trouble. [Q:] He is quiet then. [M:] Yes, yes, yes. He has to be. You said, 'But when I'm out,' So you still believe you are something that can go in and out and that's more to do with your attention than to do with your being. Who follows? Thank you. So that is to do more with your attention than your being and your calling your attention you. 'When I go out his voice is strong, or he puts his voodoo hand over me and I don't know, I think I am something I'm not, then I wake up. When I'm here when I'm in the state of presence I see him, he can't fool me.' So, something is not steady and now you want to know, 'How I can be steady?' [Q:] Yes. But you are still functioning as something which comes in and goes out. Deeper than this is the awareness in whose light the sense of going in and coming out is seen. Now just as when you're in the state of presence you can see the mind and he is weak. In the same way when you're in the pure state of awareness you can see the presence and the sense of oscillation and you know this doesn't touch you, you're beyond it. This is what I mean being deeper in. [Q:] This would be the Polar star. [M:] This would be the Polar star, yes. [Silence] [M:] Where is it now and where are you? They must be one and the same thing, cannot be two things. This is why I ask you, Are you an object in the front of the lens of perception or are you behind the lens of perception? Or are you both? Everybody question. Are you an object in front of the lens of perception? And if you say,'Yes,' who is behind the lens? Looking at you. Something other than you? [Silence] At present what's happening is that you are believing your experience too deeply, too profoundly. You've infused too much vitamins in them, too much power in them, because of identity, they are linked. But shortly, you are going to see both those feelings, the thoughts and the one thinking them become nothing for you, but when will that be? Because what? Right now you are in the 'all possible'. Right now you're in the 'all possible'! What I mean by that, it may take you 6 years and it can take you no time. Who is it up to? It can take you 6 years and it can take you no time also! This is what I mean by the 'all possible', you're in the realm of the 'all possible' right now. Because the Self is not bound by any time zone. One million years ago the Self is exactly as it is right now. In one million years time from now the Self is exactly as it is right now, ever perfect. Where is the Self? It is the Self of yourself. While you believe you are self. When you realize you are the Self, you are one. And the story and the history of the mind and the one who believes in it will be gone. [Silence] So, what to do now? Having heard this is there something to do? What is your feeling now? You, what is your feeling now? [Q:] Yes. The question is what to do now? [M:] What is your wish? [Q:] My wish is to be able to see this game from outside. [M:] Yes. Is this the wish of your mind or the wish of your heart? If it's the wish of your mind after a while it's going to say, 'OK. I've had enough of that now. Want some more fun! Want more fun!' 'Putum, putum, putum!' Because this is what is happening. Many people they come to Satsang they're right here, they're right here! They've had illuminations, they've had the mysteries, they've had miracles going and now they've disappeared. Not the proper disappearance, they're still on the planet running around somewhere, horseback riding or something, not the proper disappearance, they are not in Satsang anymore, it has little appeal for them, because they made the choice, subtly, they've chosen the mind. They have chosen either the fear that comes up through the mind, they bought it, or they had the desire they wanted something from the world that they gave more value than their freedom. You understand? I don't want to see not even one of you around there if I had anything to do with it. [Laughter] That's why I tell you about it. [Q:] I think it's fear. It's not that I want something from the world, but it's fear. [M:] Yeah, it is fear. [Q:] And that I don't trust my mind. [M:] Yes. They go together. The one who feels fear has a link with the mind and at the same time mistrusts the mind. And that is your chance, because you mistrust your mind. That is your chance. Because if you did not mistrust him you would not have the power to fight him, but because you have a mistrust towards it and you're not willing to accept the fear it is your chance. It is your chance. But if you believe the mind, he will keep on saying things to frighten you and to sabotage your possibility of freedom. This is the game. The one who is afraid cannot be the Self and I've told you the Self is here. So the fear must either be the fear cannot be just by the mind. There's no such thing as a mind by itself being afraid. Has anybody seen some fearful mind running around by itself? Nobody will see that, like that. This fear is to do with a relationship, a relationship between the Self in its aspect as consciousness and identity. That is where the fear is coming from there. It's identifying as a person while it is the consciousness, it is the presence, it is the 'I am', together they've made this, concocted this fear. So the fear is not from the mind by itself, because mind by itself doesn't exist, mind is a relationship between the dynamic Self as the 'I am' and its self-portrait as a person, it's belief, the 'I' belief, the belief in the personhood, that is what is generating the fear, OK? Can this be seen? Well, of course the fear can be seen, because it's detected, energetically it's in the body, in certain situations it is felt, but the one who suffers it, can this one be perceived as clearly as the fear is felt? Can the one on whom the fear is impacting, can this one be seen? These are final questions. These are final questions, OK? We're not going to be talking about this next year. This is what I mean by final questions, OK? Meaning that we can complete this here! This is the beauty of Satsang. The fear you know, projections we know, thought we know, but the one who suffers them do you know? Can it be perceived? It's difficult. Why? Because it's also made of consciousness and it takes consciousness to see it. It's not all of consciousness that is contaminated, it's the fact of the matter that consciousness is not contaminated. The consciousness is dreaming contamination by identifying as the person. So, consciousness cannot experience this game of life without this identity and the password is 'I am the body', this is the password to enter this game. 'I am the body.' Enter. 'Pkuff.' You are in and fight starting. That's how it will be. Unless the consciousness believes, 'I am the body', other conditioning cannot stick. This is the root idea and then other ideas can begin to be grafted in and then together this aggregate produces an illusory person which is made of consciousness, but also it is somehow contaminated with concepts, because the pure consciousness does not need any concept. So it is this consciousness that starts out as a person, but starts out as pure, then picks up the person notion, then lives in the person notion, struggles in the person notion, grows and suffers in the person notion; and then at some point begins to somehow become wise begins to notice the mind in a sense of separateness, begins to recover from sleep, begins to desire a freedom from the influence of the psychological mind, begins to sense that it's possible, begins to experience the possibility, and fully awakens to its original being, meaning that awakens to the fact that, 'But I've always been here perfect all along.' That is what it means. Not, 'Finally I have become perfect; I have been perfect, dreaming imperfection. This is the play. At what stage is your consciousness now? You are able, I'm asking now, you are referring to your Self from the recovering consciousness in not a bad state, it's OK, it's suffering the deceitfullness of the mind, but is able to slip into the space of Grace and say, 'Ah, this is mind!' And when it feels, 'Ah, there's the mind,' it's already in blessedness, he is feeling, 'Ah!' Then the pendulum swings again out into identity and then the feeling is, 'Oh my God! No! No! No! I'm lost again! My mind is all full.' And then it swings again into the heart, and, 'Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Yes, I've got it, I've got it, I've got it!' And out again, 'Oh my God, I've lost it. I've lost it!' And then at some point, now you are being asked, 'Cannot both polarities be seen?' Because at first you think, 'Only when I go out, I know I'm out.' But when it goes in, do you know it's in? [Q:] Yes. [M:] Then what watches out and in? What is the location of that which perceives inside and outside simultaneously? What has the capacity, the power to perceive not just the effects energetically of a troublesome mind, but the apparent one who is affected by it? Who goes by the name of 'I' also? Remember what I told you, Ramana's statement, 'The 'I' removes the I yet remains the 'I'. What is he speaking? The pure sense 'I am' removes the I, me. The I association with the mind and the ego, and then relaxes again back in its natural 'I am'. [Silence] The fact goes before the conclusion is recognized. What is the fact? The fact is this, that it is perceivable. At first you may feel, 'I can feel the pain,' but the one who feels the pain, who suffers the pain is me. OK, if something says it's me, takes ownership of the pain, there's no space left to look. But if you say, 'No, it's some idea I have of who I am, who is suffering this pain and because of the idea I have of who I am that idea is linked to the pain, they are together, they work together. Whereas I am trying to do the impossible is to separate one from the other when they go together, like two wings of the same bird.' But can you see it? Because the closer it gets the more difficult to see. The more difficult to see! [Silence] The ego cannot smell its own breath. [Silence] Something sees. You're not aware that you're seeing, you're always seeing, but you're not aware you're always seeing! This is the trick! Everyday at so many points the mind relaxes into the pure Self, but you're not aware of it. So, what is realization? [A scream and crying in the background] What is realization, [Laughter] but the recognition of what is already so? Not what is going to become so. Do we follow? [M:] It is recognizing, this is the great joy, the ever perfect is already here, momentarily eclipsed and when I say momentarily, momentary of God, can be a life time of man, momentarily can be your whole life, this is hidden somehow and the game is to awaken to that recognition. The Self is not an event, if there is an event, it is the event of the recognition of the Self which is timelessly present. [Silence] Grace has brought you here! Your Beingness has brought you here for final seeing, [screams in the background] final understanding. Yes. Your perched on the cliff of your own existence to take flight, but another voice calls you back, 'Come back. Come back!' This is the edge I'm talking about. Can you see the one who says, 'Yes, when I go out, I'm lost, when I come in I'm found.' Cannot be the final voice, because it has no condition, It knows no out and in, no lost and found, no you and me, It is perfect, whole. Are you in a position to perceive and to confirm that the one presently speaking and saying, 'Please help me to stabilize in the Self,' Is a voice appearing in the Self? Can you see that the one saying, 'Help me to stabilize in the heart, in the awareness,' is itself an idea arising in awareness itself? You are this, you are this awareness. All is good? Good? Yes. Yes. Has to be good. These responses, they are coming just because energetically the Self is shaking off some of this past, 'Shake him off. Shake him off!' It's involuntary to the mind, as somehow the understanding opens up in the heart then he wants to throw off, automatically it is. [Crying] [M:] And you see like this? [Screaming and crying] She's not in that at all. How are you? How are you? Good. [Laughter] You see, what I say. Just burning off the dross. Coming back into your emptiness, your nobody-ness. The world here is thinking, 'Oh! Something is mad.' No, no. No, something is very sane. You're simply shaking off sleep. Do not believe your states. Don't believe your states. They are fickle. Yes. If you believe in them, you start to register them like they are something. They are nothing, they are just waves, just clouds passing, your Self is like the infinite sky, you're not passing. This is why you can see what is passing, because you are not passing. If you follow what I'm speaking, you will never pass. Everything else will pass, what belongs to time will pass, but you will never pass. [Silence] Grace is very much with you. The grace of the Self of this universe is very much in support of your realization. The advantage is with you. [Silence] Pay attention to your roots and not to your branches. [Silence] Scan internally what is there in your right now. Any road blocks? Any bumps? Any lumps? [Silence] Clear as ether I see. [Long silence] [M:] Let me tell you something, I want to tell you something. In all of creation around this world nothing is more important than what you are discovering. Because all that we create will pass, only the uncreated will not pass. And because you are discovering that which is imperishable sometime all hell will break loose for you. Something will try to drown your realization, but only for a time and this time, maybe you take it is to prove, it is to prove you; it is to prove you. You understand what it is meant by that? To see if you are true, because the mind will come, with every trick; not every trick, because it doesn't need every trick, it only needs to know the trick that's worked on you before. [Laughter] He doesn't have to try every trick, just the tricks that have worked on you before. On steroids. He is going to come and you may feel something wobbling, but you will know, what is wobbling is not the Self, and easily you will find again your peace. Momentarily, you might be distracted but this is fine. Again something will settle in the clear space of being, and these assaults may go on, many of you here maybe I will not see you again for a while, maybe people going to hiding and stuff like that. It has happened that people come and when the mind gives them a couple of 'Uhh!' they ,'Fuff!' 'OK, Satsang, no, thank you. No, no no, I can't go. No. Thank you very much.' But others will know, by the very fact that the mind seems to attack you shows that you are onto something of enormous value. Hold firm. Stay as the undivided Self. And all of this, all of this will conclude very nicely. Because the minute you step towards the door of freedom you will find yourself on the back of some wild horse that's doing everything to shake you off. Yes. Don't watch him, just be steady inside, stay with him. [Laughter] Stay. 'Pullum.' You just stay there, let him move. Don't look at the sky, don't look at the ground, just you stay here. And at a certain point he will steady up, and then, 'Cluck, cluck, cluck, cluck!' Then you are good. But this is how it feels; others have gone before and have done it, now it's our turn, our chance. [Audience:] Yes. [Clapping] [M:] Very good. [Q:] Can I come to you? [M:] Yes, yes. [M:] Very good. Come, come here. How are you? [Laughter] Very good. Wonderful. [Q:] Thank you. [M:] Thank you. I'm with you. [Q:] Thank you. [M:] Yes. [M:] I'll tell you one more thing, you will do well if you remember this. It is just a game! It is just a play! If you remember this you will not be afraid. One friend was here, not long ago, she told in Satsang, she said like this, she said, 'I was meditating, and in meditating and suddenly all these monstrous figures are coming. They are coming. I said, But wait! [Screams in the background] And she's in Himalayas meditating. Where these monsters, why monsters are coming? Feeling very peaceful, very happy, suddenly monsters are coming. She said, 'But what are you doing here? This is not your place. Why are you trying to frighten me?' And the monster says, 'It's just for fun!' [Laughter] [Clapping] It's true. He says, they say, 'We enjoy to frighten you. We enjoy!' [Laughter] [Q:] To fight you? [M:] No, no, no, no. No, he says, 'We enjoy to frighten you.' [Q:] Ah, to frighten you, OK. [M:] Yes, 'We love to frighten, this is how we get pleasure. [Q:] Yes. [M:] And the more you take it seriously, we get great pleasure, pleasure out of it!' [Laughter] [Q:] Oh God! [Laughter] [M:] Very good, Avva. [M:] Somebody is coming to play today? [Long silence] [M:] You are singing today? Ohhh! My sister. [Audience:] Ooh! [Clapping] ♫ Amazing Grace will always be my song of praise ♫ For it was Grace that bought my liberty ♫ I never know just why Christ came to love me so ♫ He looked beyond my faults and saw my knees ♫ I shall forever lift my eyes to Calvary to view the cross where Jesus died for me ♫ How marvelous, this Grace that caught my falling soul ♫ He looked beyond my thoughts and saw my knees ♫ If not for Grace my soul would be a drifting ship ♫ With no safe harbour from the angry ways ♫ But Mooji's light shines brightest through the darkest storm ♫ Just in time His mercy rescued me ♫ I shall forever lift my eyes to calvary to view the cross where Jesus died for me ♫ How marvelous this Grace that calls my falling soul ♫ He looked beyond my thoughts and saw my knees ♫ He looked beyond my thoughts and saw my knees ♫ He looked beyond my thoughts and saw my knees [Clapping] [Long silence] mooji.tv Copyright © 2015 Mooji Media Ltd. All Rights Reserved. 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Length: 212min 39sec (12759 seconds)

Published: Sun Sep 27 2015