The Hate That Hate Produced (1959) | Malcom X First TV Appearance

here on channel 13 we presented a five-part series which we called the hate that hate produced the study of the rise of black racism of a call for black supremacy among a small but growing segment of the American Negro population tonight because of the considerable interest evoked by the serialized version we are repeating this disturbing story with additional form sequences which we did not have time to use last week and then after the documentary portion of the program dr. Anna Hegeman former administrative assistant to Mayor Robert Wagner Arnold Forrester of the anti-defamation league Jackie Robinson former Brooklyn Dodger star now columnist for The New York Post Roy Wilkins executive secretary of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and the Reverend dr. Gardner Taylor president of the Protestant Council of Greater New York five people with a particular and immediate interest in race relations will talk about what can be done about the tide of racism among this segment of the Negro population so now the hate that hate produced [Music] while city officials state agencies white liberals and sober minded Negroes stand idly by a group of Negro dissenters is taking to street corner stepladders Church puppet sports arenas and ballroom platforms across the United States to preach a gospel of hate that would set off a federal investigation if it were preached by southern whites what are they saying listen I got the white man with being the greatest liar on earth I thought the white man with being the greatest Concord on earth I tried the white man with being the greatest pioneer on earth get the Bible per visit I thought the white man with being the greatest gambler I thought the white man ladies and gentlemen of the tourney with being the greatest better order I charge the white man with being the greatest sea snake oiler I had saw the white man with being the greatest a fella on earth I charge the white man with being the greatest father on earth I had sized the white man with being the greatest Aseel on earth I chose the white man with being the greatest trouble maker on earth so therefore ladies and gentlemen the jury I ask you dating back over teen the indictment you have just heard is being delivered over and over again in most of the major cities across the country this charge comes at the climax of a morality play called the trial the plot indeed the message of the play is that the white man has been put on hell for his sins against the black man he has been found guilty the sentence is death the play is sponsored produced by a Negro religious group who call themselves the Muslims they use a good deal of the paraphernalia of the traditional religion of Islam but they are fervently disavowed by Orthodox Muslims these homegrown Negro American Muslims are the most powerful of the black supremacist groups they now claim a membership of at least a quarter of a million Negroes the doctrine is being taught in 50 cities across the nation let no one underestimate the Muslims they have their own parochial schools like this one in Chicago where a Muslim children are taught to hate the white man even the clothes they wear are in sharp contrast to American dress like these two Negro children going to school wherever they go the Muslims withdraw from the life of the community they have their own stores supermarkets barber shops restaurants here you see a progress bar an air-conditioned Muslim department store on Chicago's South Side their story of hatred for the white man his carriage in many Negro newspapers here you see their Minister Malcolm X proudly displaying five of the biggest Negro papers in America papers published in Los Angeles New York Pittsburgh Detroit and Newark Negro politicians regardless of their private beliefs listen when the leaders of the black supremacist movement speak here you see Manhattan borough president healin Jack shaking hands with Elijah Muhammad the leader of the Muslims and here city councilman Earl brown addressing a Muslim rally four or five times a year the Muslims assembled in one of America's major cities to hear their leader Elijah Muhammad this coming Sunday afternoon they will get at New York st. Nicholas arena to hearing but here you see them arriving at Washington's uline Arena for a meeting they held just six weeks ago every devout Muslim is eager to attend these meetings for some time between now and 1970 and it just such a rally as this the Muslim leader has intimated that he will give the call for the destruction of the white man as you will see every precaution is taken to protect their leader at these meetings the Muslims both men and women submit themselves to a complete search before they finally enter the meeting hall some 10,000 persons attended the rally that you see here all of them were searched that's a search going on here this process began three hours before the meeting started and shortly you will see Elijah Muhammad founder and spiritual leader of the group his flock is waiting for him now and finally here comes their spiritual leader Elijah Muhammad he's actually Elijah pulip Hawkinsville Georgia during World War 2 Muhammad was arrested and charged with sedition and draft-dodging the Department of Justice finally dropped the charge that he had advocated defeat of the white democracies and victory for the colored Japanese but Muhammad and his followers did serve time in the federal penitentiary for refusing to register for the draft here you will hear Elijah Muhammad introduced by Minister Malcolm X the Muslims New York leader and ambassador at large for the movement the good news that Minister X talks about here is the coming rise of the Black Men and the fall of the white man everyone who is here today realizes that we are now living in the fulfillment of prophecy right we have come to hear and to see the greatest and the wisest and most fearless black man in America today in the church we used to sing the song good news the chariot is coming that rider what we must bear in mind that what good news for one person is bad news to another while you sit here today knowing that you have come to hear good news you must realize in advance what good news for you might be bad news for somebody else what good news for the sheet might be bad news in the world the good news for the black man is that he is on the verge of recapturing his position as ruler of the universe the bad news for the white man is that his long and wicked reign will shortly be over in following this introduction Elijah Muhammad leader of the Muslims speaks [Music] leader affected right now the government of America following this speech which lasted some two hours Newsbeat reporter Lewis Lomax interviewed Elijah Muhammad the spiritual leader of the Muslims the white race is doomed and that they are a race of devils do you make any distinction are there any good white people for example so now they ask you who you think is the best white man his aim is our faith no not what we now if I understood your teachings correct you teach that all of the members of Islam are God and that one among you is supreme and that that one is Allah now have I understood you correctly that's right now you own the other hand said that Allah has taught you that the devil is the white man the white man is are doing great yes am I correct - yes now you have said sir that approximate between now and approximately 1970 that should come a reawakening a gel resorts about the American Negro veteran and that the extended time for the white man we will run out and the vet will come and in terms of a war between God and the devil this coming destruction of the white man will there be any bloodshed involved in this or will it be a complete family fight to the teachings of the prophets of all and God Himself that would be painted bloodshed have you ever been accused or we can hate yes do you think you are / - no what are you preaching sir so and if is irritable or yes unified us hate then I cannot help it out of even more interest to New Yorkers is Malcolm X the Muslims New York Minister he is a remarkable man a man who by his own admission was once a procurer and peddler he served time for robbery in the Michigan and Massachusetts State Penitentiary's but now he's a changed man he will not smoke or drink he will not even eat in a restaurant that houses a tavern he told Newsbeat that his life changed for him when the Muslim faith taught him no longer to be ashamed of being a black man reporter Lewis Lomax asked Minister Malcolm X to further explain the Muslim teachings of Elijah Muhammad in the same context that mr. Elijah Muhammad teaches that his faith that the Islamic faith is for the black man and that the black man is good he also uses the Old Testament instance of the serpent and Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and he sets up the proposition there that this is the great battle between good and evil and he uses the phrase devil's yeah and he uses it almost interchangeably and synonymous with the word now what does he mean there well number one he teaches us that that never was real serpent it was not a real suit that went into the God what was it but as you know the Bible is written in symbols and parables and this serpent or sling is a symbol that's used to high the real identity of the one that actually wasn't was the white man either I would call your attention Minister Malcolm to one paragraph in this column he says and I quote him the only people born of Allah of a black nation of whom the so called American Negroes are defendants yes now is this your standard teaching here he teaches us that the black man by nature his divine now does this mean that the white man by nature is evil by nature he his other son well now does this mean that he's evil can he do good by major he is deep he cannot do good history the best qualified to reward all research and we don't have any his historic example where we have found that they collectively other people have done good mr. Minister Malcolm you now in Chicago and in Detroit have universities of Islam do not yes there in Detroit and Chicago and you take your parishioners you take children from the kindergarten kindergarten ages and you train them right through high school yes sir from the age of four I think it is upward and you have a certified parochial school operating in Chicago in Chicago and in Detroit and in Detroit and kids come to your school you are going to what we would call regular day school yes sir many what do you teach them there we teach them the same things that they would be taught ordinarily in school - the little black [ __ ] a story and things that were worth talk to you and me when we were coming up to breathe that inferiority complex enough do you teach them with you just said to me right man is assembling evil you can go to any little movement child and ask him where's hell or who is the devil and he wouldn't tell you that hell is down in the ground so that the devil is something invisible that that you can't see he'll tell you hell is right where he has been catching it and he'll tell you who the one who is responsible for him having received as hell is the death and he would say that this devil is the white kid kind of white man join your temple none have ever joined if one came up and attempted to join would he be allowed to come in and be taught or no sir why not so that's one of the reasons why most people think that mr. Muhammad teaches hate but if there is a rattlesnake in the field who has been biting your brothers and your sisters and you go and tell them that that's a rattlesnake and all of the harm that has ever come to them has come to them from that particular particular source well then that wrestler will think that the Warner is teaching he he'll go back and tell the other snakes but this man is teaching hate this man is teaching hate but it's not hate it's just that when you study people who have been harmed and discover the source of their injury the source of all of their defects and you begin to point out their source it's not that you hate the source but your love for your people is so intense so in so great that you must let them know what is wrong with them what is the cause of their ills and this is one of the basic factors I believe involved when people think or when the propaganda is put out since the Muhammad teaches eight he teaches black people to love each other and our love for each other is so strong we don't have any room who do you think the n-double-a-cp this one is a natural religion and it is difficult to find a black body with a white head and classify that body as something that's natural most organizations that represent the so-called Negro usually we find when we study them that though they are supposed to be for us the leadership for the brainpower of a political power or whatever power that runs it usually is the right man we have seen Muslim leaders in reflective moments and as they talk to members of their own flock but what about their approach to non Muslim Negroes three months ago Minister Malcolm X was invited to speak at a Harlem rally celebrating African Freedom Day his audience was composed chiefly of Christian Negroes with a lively interest in African affairs we've obtained film segments of that speech the film was made under adverse circumstances but you will be able to hear and understand Minister Malcolm X as he addresses a non-muslim audience his enemy he'll say the Belgian as the man in Kenya who was his enemy he'll say the British that's the man in Morocco who is his enemy he'll say the French but the one thing that the prince and the British and the Belgians all have income they're all open here how could so cute white people rule so many black people this is the thing you should want to know don't you the white man today will tell you that thousands of years ago the black man in Africa was living in palaces the black man in Africa was wearing silk the black man in Africa were cooking and seasoning his room the black man in Africa had meant that the arts and the sciences he knew the course of the stars in the universe before the man up in Europe knew that the earth was flat then if they black men in Africa had reached such a high state of civilization so long ago at a time when the people of Europe were crawling on their all for what happened to make these people are enable these people to come out of the pain and come down into our civilization and take it over and hit us through the clock what happened how did they do it these are the things you should want to find out before you say hooray hooray hooray this is the psychology of the Muslims they know that the American Negro is angry because he's been cast in an inferior role and they seek to convert him to the Muslim caused by drenching him in a doctrine of black supremacy he's then of the Muslims these are the things they are saying preaching teaching their children and they are the most powerful of the black supremacist groups but now let us look at another group every night when the weather is good knots of people gather in Harlem at 125th Street and 7th Avenue in front of the Teresa hotel to hear the speakers for the United African nationalist movement spread their gospel of black nationalism we made a film of one of those meetings the lighting was poor it was difficult to get good sound quality the man you're about to hear is John Davis a paid order for the United African nationalist movement you will hear him attack white liberals Eleanor Roosevelt Pearl Buck and then he'll go on to say some rather support things about the NAACP and its leader Roy Wilkins tell if you like me now you got the call so call right liberal that's supposed to be your friend white liberals go around claiming that they're against discrimination hey I got Ritchie from all the brutality relax holiness roll the milk the African white got it is that wrong oh you got another one by the day my mom the leader of the United African nationalist movement is James R Lawson sometimes public relations man and black nationalist a man who says he has authorization to bring greetings from the United Arab Republic's President Nasser - black nationalist groups here in America Newsbeat ask mr. Lawson to explain the nature of his organization and its aims as Lawson talks with reporter Lomax you will see the strong pro-arab feeling that pervades the teachings of the black racists in the United African nationalist movement it is an organization of people of African descent here we have associated organizations that being African nation know why not because this is an organization of people of African descent the anti white march 12 1959 edition the Los Angeles hello dispatch newspaper the totals it says Negro nationalists donors are awesome and that's you yes of Muhammad it has a Chicago Dateline and it goes on to say that name delivered greetings to mr. Elijah Muhammad on the occasion of his third Founders Day in Chicago is this report accurate either little doings not mr. Mohammed but to the convention gathered their people and a leadership to the gathering of the Muslim group in Chicago attention did you bring them greetings from general Nasser of Egypt also can president up in The Guardian the King the readings from John Luke message that general NASA know that you were being greetings from him to this group you know that I've been reading is not only to whisper but to any groups not on Arbor behalf of president troubling sometimes on behalf of them to Hollister ask any of you for people gathered at African decent the general NASA recently invite you to come to Egypt as his guest slightly are you going I may have made up your mind me maybe other I'm just about me never mind I'm not ready to announce it though but you have made up your mind yet do you think that NASA is the leader in Africa in that part of Africa yes are you have many leaders in that are you either to help NASA I'm eager to help anybody that will help in bringing about the freedom of Africa your own once having said that you didn't ask NASA to help you that you wanted to help NASA that is true I want to help not only master boy to help NASA do we offer them from what colonialism right domination do you favor integration No do you favor the n-double-a-cp no we will take Roy Wilkins is a good leader of his people Roy Wilkins is not the leader office Pentagon's leader and what is office ping now there's honest you mr. Lawson were you present at the meeting when dr. Ralph Bunche of the United Nations got up to introduce Prime Minister in coma sure nobody asked me a question my family my wife and two children but as I recall the incident dr. brunch was roundly booed when you stood up is that correct that is true mr. Lawson who booed Ralph Bunche and why I thank the people Newton that's where they look like to me do you know any of the people who she do you know why they bootie I don't know exactly why but I have a hunch what's your website not much is that the black people those of African descent in this country consider a bunch a kind of George Washington of Israel the man made a million people then a closely related to them harmless and hasn't done a cockeyed for the black man now you see the black people believe that do you James R Lawson believe that Ralph Bunche is the George Washington of Israel well our lawyers so speaks James Lawson president of the United African nationalist movement one of the rallying cries of these black extremists is the alleged failure of Christianity they call it a doctrine of enslavement many of them have abandoned Christianity and those who haven't abandoned it preached that Jesus was not white not white like the men who Lynch Negroes but that he was black we'll be back to continue the hate that had produced for the treatment of the black racists attitudes towards Christianity in just a moment after these commercial messages and now back to our story these black supremacists Muslims and black nationalists are not practitioners of hate just for hates sake they did not grow in a vacuum rather there's is the hate that hate has produced the hate that some Negroes are returning for the hate most American Negroes have received for the past 300 years the burden of being a black man in America has proved more than some of them can bear and so now they are fighting back with the same weapons that were used to subjugate them they're finding it some of them increasingly difficult to identify with America they've lost faith in the honesty of American law enforcement agencies when it comes to protecting their individual rights many of them have abandoned Christianity and have named it a dogma of enslavement even those who have not abandoned it now preaching that Jesus was not white like the men who Lynch and discriminate against Negroes but that he was a black man James Lawson shows the black supremacists concept of Jesus and notice how much the Jesus in the painting and James Lawson resemble one another mr. Lawson in conjunction with your remarks that the Negro needs a black God or at least I'm in image he can identify with a wonderful tell me what this picture is and what it's all about black God we believe God is spirit but this is a painting the concept of an artist of Jesus in the garden of the feminine and you know Solomon himself certainly not a pregnant because I'm black and comely and someone else is clearly thinking revelation breasted is has like a lamb ruler on his feet like polished brass therefore you feel the real almond sound ground on the floor to Jesus as possibly being a black man after all Jesus was as a child of Judea the American Negro has never quite forgotten that he became a slave and a Christian at the same time for a good many of them this is something they feel deeply but don't often talk about but for the Muslims and the black nationalist the alleged failure of Christianity is an obsession and they talk bitterly of this alleged failure to power their cause listen to John Davis paid order for the United African nationalist movement as he sets the theme he begins by talking of a sleeping child and then he talks with Mack Parker the Negro who was lynched recently in Mississippi and he calls for an end to the brainwashing imposed by the Christian religion all right as soon as they get religion out of you Gregg I take this religion out of you and brag why you about the season and this care after you'll be all right you know believe in God but you believe in the wrong God that's a kromagg in there if my sea Parker's mother sorry everybody say for you got to believe in God I suggest as fight back religion out of you but it is Elijah Muhammad spiritual leader of the white hating Muslims who make the bitterest attacks on Christianity and it might be well to point out again here that traditional Muslims fervently disavow Elijah Muhammad's homegrown brand of Islam the Orthodox Muslim is quick to affirm that there is no hate in his religion and that man of whatever color or nationality is welcome in his faith [Music] it is not for you in our there is no foundation in Christianity [Music] you know to give you solace fellow-creatures and your church feeding the government adapters to get not the quality of oil for the father and son who gets not yet and what rule is presented to you in our if the religion and the god of that religion will not tip in us a control taking later they get free after the speech in Uline arena Elijah Muhammad elaborated on his charges against Christianity for reporter Lomax no do you think the Christianity is a religion of deliverance for the black man hello do you think that believe our Christianity has been a religion of enslavement to the Black Knight yes what do you think the was Christian father would say are they always Christian in fact about it the white race is really the Christian sure as you as we refer to them I could never be a priest and though I joined a standard the productive never be a Christian unless hours wait you don't think a black man can be a Christian through thy nature we are not the first indignation we are fallen Muslim do you think this is our natural thing it's just like every religion of man according to the teachings of the holy one thirty and thirty sir how many so-called American Negroes have even able to convert within the years of your teaching but that don't mean they all have continued to power but there have been hundreds of thousands for thus the story is told a small but growing segment of the American Negro population has learned to hate before the Christian white man could learn to love but what do Negro Christian leaders say do they to believe that Christianity has failed the Negro is it an instrument of subjugation reporter Lomax put these questions to the Reverend Adam Clayton Powell a pastor of the world's largest Protestant congregation Christianity and since you are a Protestant I will put it in that context we believe that Protestantism has been the Negro's friend do you think that it has functioned as a religion of deliverance for Negroes or has it been guilty of dragging its feet so to speak on this question again I'd like to say that the words of Jesus one thing the Protestant hands are aimed at all the Protestant and Catholics who believed in Christianity so I would therefore like to answer your question against that background I believe that Christianity in the United States has been dragging its feet I don't think there's any other course in America that has been more detrimental to the solution of our racial problems than Christianity because you kind of expect the man in the street to practice Christianity better than his priest or his pastor in the pulpit and the fact that there is more segregation in the United States of America on Sunday morning at 11 o'clock and as any other our national right the tragic proof of what I'm stating and so it becomes easier for us to understand why talk of integration has become a kind of wistful pie-in-the-sky for a growing number of Negroes easier to understand why they turn to the Muslims a group they believe will do something for them why they lose patience with NAACP talk of gradual integration when what they want is immediate equality and separation is this black supremacist doctrine making headway among New York Negroes let's go to the streets of Harlem and find out this is classified as hate when we are telling our people that it is time for them to organize and learn to develop respect recognition for themselves in order that they might obtain a position of self-determination it senses what is classified as hate then I suppose I am guilty of preaching such a philosophy I've listened to the Elijah Muhammad movement and the black nationalist movement and I have heard the NAACP and I don't feel that the NAACP's views are the way out I feel that it would be better if it were more national rather than integrated with the views of the right men and it's for the simple reason that I think that together with our own people more can be accomplished rather than with the right man involved in it also because as it is we've already been accepting too many crumbs from this man and we've never really gotten a real loaf of bread from him the only thing I disagree with the NAACP about is that we've been waiting long enough the Supreme Court handed down a decision in 1954 and we're still waiting for our spoons to be integrated in the south I've read some of mr. Muhammad's articles in the Pittsburgh courier he is a Muslim I agree with him he says we've been waiting long enough only recently that the people that have been listening to these pickles have become more tense to the extent that when they read newspapers of a brutality in the South women are being beat with clubs in Africa and everywhere you read the headlines black people are being beat Lynch killed for no reason at all and they began to get nervous about it and somebody needs to do something and that is quick we asked n-double-a-cp executive secretary Roy Wilkins if these extremists are involved in the recent racial unrest up in Harlem preaching on racial hatred and racial advantage the bigotry and involved is a bad thing whether it's colored or white for years the NAACP has been opposed to white extremists preaching hatred of Negro people and we are equally opposed to Negro extremists preaching against white people simply for the sake of whiteness now what effect this has had on the Harlem community I can't say because many police incidents have taken place in Harlem and I believe that a sort of community attitude has been built up it may be that the extremists have sharpened it and have recruited some more extremists to their banner if so that would be deplorable then we tried to find out what is the political impact the political strength of these black supremacists this is what we discovered their influence far out runs their numbers their vocal they get out on the streets and stir up sentiment during political campaigns they choose candidates and their street corner speakers weave political campaigning in and out of their black supremacist teachings reporter Lomax asked James Lawson the President of the United African nationalist movement to what extent his group supported such politicians his congressman Adam Clayton Powell and Manhattan borough president Jack dissipate in the politics of Harlem for sure do you support candidates actively where although but on some occasions you do support candidate well we feel that the issues wait enough well I think perhaps Adam Clayton Powell is the best known politician in Harlem and be supported Adam Clayton Powell there in the last election you did support it in the last election yes did you actively support him on the streets yeah what did that empower think of you what you have to ask the congressman that has he ever given you any indication what do you think oh yes for example he wasn't able to attend the African feet of the rally and he did write a fine tribute to the United African nationalist movements leadership that you and your organization no I said the United African nationalist movement and his leadership care I happen to be the president yeah is it true that he recently wrote you died which he indicated what he thought of you personally well yes I don't think it was involved in issues and they were very fine and wonderful places for both the minister and the car well without breaching any confidences can you tell us in essence what he said about you in the letter he wrote - well he said that he felt that the United African nationalist movement was doing a great job in the struggle for the liberation of Africa the program of Africa for the Africans those at home and those abroad and he felt that many things wouldn't have been done if it wasn't for the existence of this organization now do you have the same kind of feeling in relationship which because borough president Union Jack yes yes I'll tell you the truth you know we're all members of the same order all members of the same did you support power presently when Jack in the last election he is treating the candidate in the coming election will you support invent or we expect him to be a charity and you expect to support we expect that and support him because we know that there many people after getting the borough presidents away from our people here are men reporter Lomax asked both Adam Powell and healing Jack about mr. Lawson statements was that on several occasions he has supported you in your campaigns and on one occasion he said he received a letter from you in which you give your lesson that he was on his we're all African peoples Congress in Ghana with his child last December 12th she won't take this to your food of him and what he's doing he's saying no I don't approve of anything extremism what I say that the Amsterdam news quotes you from a speech delivered at a rally sponsored in Harlem by the United African nationalist movement the rally was commemorating African Freedom Day I believe and you accorded as having said henceforth we are no longer Negroes but rather Americans of African descent is this an accurate quotation yes mr. Lomax will appeal this way I do feel that way do you proudly associate yourself with African nationalist movements no but borough president of Manhattan I have been asked by that group to issue a proclamation and I was happy to do it because of the fact that it indicated a certain date which was designated not by me but publicly designated as the day known as African Day so you have issued I believe in the past two years two or more proclamations for the United African nationalist movement one on guard day I believe and then later one for African Freedom Day is this true sir yes well all of us certainly in knowledge of the contribution made by Marcus Garvey yeah now let me see if I understand you correctly are you saying sir that you are not a member of the United African nationalist movement but that you do consider these people a substantial respected group in the community and that you acceded to their request to issue proclamations is this what I said right right was to Lomax what to congressman Powell and borough president Jack know about the Muslims reporte Lomax asked both men to comment on the Muslims and their teachings the exchange begins as healing Jack admits that he welcomed Elijah Muhammad to New York and then that he Jack spoke at a Muslim rally as I greeted him as borough president of Manhattan Oh show us should this be taken to mean that you agree with his religious political economic philosophy I know nothing about Muhammad Mohammedanism I have never sought to know anything about it and at one of his meetings didn't you I spoke as president of the borough of Manhattan and expressed the greetings of the Bur Manhattan to this man who had come here for the meeting all of these people at the meetings what'd you say did you support the [ __ ] movement did you support them in their notions that the white man is a snake and a devil and should be destroyed have no reason in the world to support that idea because this world has on it white men black men yellow men brown men and all must live together in peace and harmony and that has been my background ever since I've known my existence I understand you properly you have said to me that you dish ooh these plaques that you attend these meetings because it's borough president of Manhattan you have to recognize the existence of these groups is that correct yes now sir with no harm that but if the white Citizens Council had a meeting would you give them a plaque would you attend their meeting and speak while the white Citizens Council is not in existence in in Manhattan and certainly should have no reason for existence I want to return again to the mountain when we spoke there and say no Minister Malcolm has and you respect him as a verb brilliant now I think he's a very brilliant man they teach and he said it to this report among other things that the proper interpretation of the incident in the Garden of Eden is that Adam and Eve were black men and with the separate was a white man who came in and to say the least brought on disquietude and that the white man is not a devil but the devil a snake of the graph to type and must be destroyed how does this sound oh they disassociate my second any such believed as I totally disassociate my self in the belief of some of my fellow clergymen we preach that there is no room in Christianity for a black man except as a servant in a slave the congressman in all twentieth century seriously would it disturb if the reverse took place at a point group and social school they were teaching their children that Negros was making devils and should be destroyed in all seriousness so wouldn't that destroy the stands mayor that if he preaches that kind of doctrine of paint because I don't know of any religion that has in it a principle of hatred but not any degrees of hate the man called brilliant at the beginning of that colloquy by Adam Powell the man who preached a Vesper service in Adam Powell's church this man Malcolm X is as we said by his own admission of former dope peddler and procurer an ex-convict who served time in Michigan and Massachusetts prisons he is now a changed man he says because Elijah Muhammad's personal brand of Islam taught him no longer to be ashamed to black men so it becomes evident that responsible leaders of the grow community are fully aware of the activities and the teachings of the black supremacists now we ask in what measure has the white man earned the hate of these extremists to what extent does Christianity deserve to be called by these groups the religion of enslavement replaced this aspect of our story in perspective Newsbeat visited dr. Anna Arnold Hegeman when the ideal of integration was just a timid dream for the Negro and Hegeman was executive director of the National Committee for a permanent FPPC she served with distinction as administrative aide to the Federal Security Administration of Oscar Ewing and to New York's mayor Robert Wagner dr. Hegeman lives among her fellow Negroes she knows their problems newsbeat reporter lulo max asks dr. Hegeman her opinion of the creed of black supremacy dr. Hitman have you lived in Harlem about 30 years thoroughly familiar with the goings-on in the Harlem community well I don't know what you mean by going wrong way but I am reading the problem let us say now dr. Hitman let's get down to brass tacks so to speak what would be your reaction if a white group held a rally at 42nd and Broadway and said the kinds of things about Negroes at a street corner auditors are saying about fights and use first of all I would be opposed to it no matter who did it I want that on the record however the situations are not analogous I hope the analogous for the very simple reason that America has bottled up the Negro in such fashion that what he pours out is his complete reaction to frustration on the one hand and his objection to much of the unintelligent way in which he has been handled as an American now partly but aren't you saying this that previous condition of servitude or state of persecution justifies the preaching of race heat whereas the absence of this historical business does not justify no I did not say it's justified I said this is the reason what is it right absolutely it's not right no matter who does it have no family do more attic attic yes but you see America's policy defends it what about the attacks on Christianity both by the Muslims and the black nationalist reporter Lomax learned that dr. Hegeman herself in a recent speech had commented on the color of Jesus skin [Music] during a recent speech before a group of graduate nurses I believe you said and I hope I quote you correctly your honor God may not be back not God but he certainly isn't quite is that a red clay we're talking about Jesus actually what you want a quote on my quote is that Jesus may not have been black but he certainly was not quite she's it important very important I think maybe some of us like to say as Christians that there's no picture of Jesus in the Bible because everybody then could claim him and you see you claim when pressure has been put upon you to claim things in terms of color as it has in this country you want a piece of this guy he was a terrific prophet and to have a piece of him so to see like you a little like you yeah just a little yes because in there not in terms of - physically - because America has made this important you see we've made this important everywhere one goes down the streets in Bombay and sees the models not brown Indian girls but angle Saxon girls because the British then we're in control well now when you say that this colour factor shooting marriage isn't this in the sense of returning to tribal isms America is about at the tribalistic stage yes you really believe that yes yes color prize Anastasia color yes America I don't know why white people are so absolutely wound up on this business but it has to be white if you if you could manage if you want to be white with blue eyes and brought there so we learned that a growing segment of the Negro population is losing faith in the American Dream they reject the designation of Negro they consider themselves rather Americans of African descent and reporter Lomax asks dr. Hegeman to explain why you have these forces these groups in Harlem are now preaching some something of a nationalist gospel they are saying that the American Negro should in a sense identify himself with Africa how do I know about this I feel again this is the temple of the world today everybody is looking for something which belongs to him and this is the thing that the American Negro is for he wanted it to be America because he's the most American of any group here why doesn't he identify with America America has never permitted thou shalt not this thou shalt not that reserved for whites only remember you should ask me this question what do you feel that the American Negro is an African Acosta's part Africa but he's me part something else oh he's many other things he actually you know is the only he's the real American then find some of everything they were isolate Africa to identify with why not identify with some other source of one's culture because the largest portion of him is African there you have it tragic and irrefutable evidence that a small a growing segment of the American Negro population is giving here to a flagrant doctrine of black supremacy I think that we stated our basic convictions about the matter when we entitled this program the hate that hate produced even so it is still hate organized hate before asking our panel of what can be done about the rising tide of black supremacy movements I'd like to talk for a minute with my colleague Lou Lomax who did the research in the interviews for this story Lou you've written for such magazines as the new leader the nation pageant as a staff writer for the Chicago American you covered the school integration disputes in Trenton Tennessee and Sturgis clay Kentucky Little Rock how would you compare this assignment with others that you've been on Mike this one was a little rough whenever you are covering a story that involves the emotions people there's always an element of danger this is the first time I think my call has ever been in my favor rather than against me but on the whole I would say that this time it was a little rough rough in what sense well let me give you a couple of instances the night we did the piece on the Harlem Street corner where you heard mr. Davis and the phony liberal bit I had with me the camera crew and Dan meaning send a goodman of our staff all of them are white we were in a sense menaced they were called bad names I was called a nerdy a dirty no-good [ __ ] who brought the people up to spy this kind of thing a crowd gathered and we were a little bit apprehensive in Washington for the Muslim riot I was alright the camera crew again was white they were in a little bit of danger and one or two times the cameraman wandered away from the camera and some of the Muslims came up to me and said you are responsible for these white men and we don't want him running around loose you better go with him wherever they're going as you see it Lou why is it that some Negros these Negroes we've been talking about tonight have returned hate for hate while others have not well I think one of the reasons is that the Christian notion of turning the other cheek has stuck this is one reason why the Muslims must undo Christianity so to speak if they are to succeed and then recent advancements in race relations from the integration business point of view these advancements have justified the civil minded Negros faith then there is this mic [Music] we Negroes have invested quite a bit in America we it's not my fault that we are here it's not your fault as a white man that the race problem exists America was born with a race problem and we've helped to eliminate it our backs of Lorna wait deal of the burden and the general feeling is that America is on the upbeat that we're going up that our country is getting better and I see no point in turning our backs upon America now it's like pushing the wagon up the hill and then refusing to ride down I think this is the attitude of most Negroes I hope so anyway [ __ ] you Lew and we'll be back with you in just a moment well there is our story and our reporters comment on it but the ultimate burden of all of this rests on the New York Community Negro and white and we have asked five members of that community to join mr. Lomax and me to discuss the implications of this story and we'll begin that discussion in just a couple of minutes after these commercial messages [Music] he written a book called the message to the black man in America which will soon be published we have used this book to base a number of our questions to mr. muhammad mr. muhammad in this book you make a number of stipulations in which we would like to press you on in the court session today one you call for the separation of the Negro into a separate state either in this United States or made possible by the United States who you say that war between the whites and the blacks is inevitable I may regret the answer these questions mr. to you and to the world they are most essential that we should give the world the answer to such questions I have been preaching and teaching the answers to these questions for many years I do think mr. cup to God who came in the first mcmaster fought Muhammad around thirty years four years ago though to me and all that health and then teaching it is from him and it is very easy for us to recognize the visit of this mighty one according to the time we have the knowledge of the time that we are living in we can accept and respect this my teeth risotto in this part of the world are to fulfill that which was written of him that he will come and now he has come and he has given out with purpose in his aims as it also is written in the Bible and one and therefore I had nothing of myself in this answer it is all from him from him you mean The Messenger of Allah no oh not the Messenger of Allah I'm the message of Allah meaning from Allah Himself who came in the person of master Koth Muhammad who preceded you as the head of the Muslims wealth he was actually he beginner yes and I'm taught by him this separation we began through with it is absolutely necessary we have lived for here in America for the last 400 years and have served our slave masters well before these past 100 years and now the time has arrived but we want something for ourselves the natural Spirit of God is moving in us and making us to think in such terms towards self and the gain for self they start getting into the very life of the black man in America he wants to go for self they want to be ourselves this is aroused in us by God himself and [Music] proposed it means nothing but death to either side if we oppose it respect for us other suppose his death to them but even your own people opposed it mr. Muhammad if I may interject a thought here most of the civil rights leaders with whom I know you disagree dr. Martin Luther King Whitney Young and lowing welcomes and James Forman and James farmer and any number of others all believe in integration getting along with the rights of moving into the same society this is all due to their lack of knowledge at the time and what should be done in such time they don't know that this is their time that they should be separate that they should vote for themselves this is what I am trying to teach them teach them that this is the time that they should go for themselves but is it not would you disagree that it is the ambition and the goal of most Negroes in this country to become Americans in every meaning of that word to participate national ID to be responsible and legitimate honest citizens and let the goal of the overwhelming number of Negroes in this country it may be their gold misuk up because that they don't even know as I just said that this is the time that they should be joined for some of knowledge of the time the lack of knowledge of self the American so-called Negro especially the leading class do not actually know themselves [Music] excuse my voice I am little lip licker trying to be a little hoarse this morning but hi our makeup later America's so-called Negro as you know have been kept in the dark of the truth of self and kind for now 400 years and the only one to break both this truth it is God Himself as it is it and by pull is equal and prophesied by Jesus that the dead must rise mentholated so our so-called leadership is as dumb as those they are leading to this knowledge therefore they hopes that they could have a place somewhere in the light of the white man of America and in this country and government basics that place not that a six-song of the country yeah they see only recognition of the white man as being a citizen of America and this is the wrong thing to be seeking since we now have served our pathetic time of slavery here in America and now we have a taste of Education of the slave masters and that children we don't go now to the colleges and universities of the white man looking for a degrees to go back to him then for a job to work live with him are some braids in the back line well what is wrong with that ambition mr. Mohammed seems to be working out subject seven all the time he's not getting an equal place with his master by seeking our job the only thing that he should seek now since he admit that he's free he is free he's not no more a servant or slave the the growing number of Negroes who have achieved prominence in all the fields of this country economically social life the Arts indicates that there is tremendous progress being made and the growing middle class or the Negro is tremendous today but the progress is only being made to the position or status of a permanent servant and not a seven that is equal with his master and owning such thing this place on this place that we can call this on like this master you say the people like to dr. Ralph bunches and any number of other Negroes who have achieved fame and fortune are still servants in this community his fame and fortune is not here that's the white man he fell party's fame and fortune for the white man not for his brightness all that the permanent I would say politicians teachers and Oh as what forward to the help of the white man to achieve pain for him and his race but not for themselves in every let me take you to another area mr. Muhammad our government is spending millions of dollars in various programs mostly aimed at uplifting the Negro with better education better job opportunity a better share of this society now isn't that a wiki commentary and the white man's role if the slave map rich and richer he can do better by his fellow this late but the slave is now si assistance at the he can go for himself and why not the master teach him how to go for himself and provide him with the necessary means he'll go for himself and not said keep betting around this road oh this is with a better suit of clothes let's assume mr. Mohammed that your separation policy comes into effect you will ask United States to give you a state large enough to take care of all the Negroes in this land that would be about one-fifth of the territory well it's about pointing through a medium and then you would ask United States for 25 or 30 years according to your book the message to the black man no to operate this for 25 or 30 years not 30 fortified and also to give you a land that's fertile rich in minerals or at the Negro game justifiable living yes how would you bring an economic system how do you but people are starting to state how would we get them to start I'm asking you the further start you want the government to start to space for you to build all the buildings and give you the education we believe that you are but get it to start start us off in such state according to your own civilization or set up for your own civilization the means that you have to set your own race up as an independent race here today not what you had for 500 years ago but what you have today let me pause for just a moment mr. Mohammed we still have to interrupt for commercials on their program pause for a moment and be right back with the Honorable Elijah Muhammad mohamad while we're talking about this very unique proposition of yours and expressed in the message to the black man and of course in all your philosophy it's interesting to note that Abraham Lincoln once proposed or thought that all Negroes perhaps when the only best interest should be moved to a separate state and Garvey a great leader of the Negroes many many years ago proposed that the Negroes have their own state he was never too successful and if I remember correctly the communist in the early 30s at the height of the depression herds that the Negroes be given their own straight in an effort to capitalize on their following I presume none of these ever came to fruition or ever successful or ever interested too many Negroes how do you figure that you today and getting ignorance to leave this country of marriage you know elsewhere now I was not what to do anymore than those teachers that preceded me on the same subject I I myself don't L any power of myself to to bring about rich change that God is with me to bring it about and the time is with me how has your God Allah manifested himself in this presentation he have manifested himself in the person of a man and with the knowledge of the end of the history that we have been in in service to white people and the time that we should be separated from them this knowledge was given by him and he is the one that is backing it up there is not to remain but I want you to look at me as nothing but a messenger that's all I am just a messenger they tell you what someone said to me that I have said to you concerning the separation it is not say country to prophecy they're sayings of the Prophet crunch signing a separation of the slave and his master it is not country but where I come in there they're asking you if you would like to do something for yourself and admitting this gesture from yourself as this is nothing but gesture to give the slave something to go with it yourself for freedom that America has never done for us our parents was never given anything to correct yourself now the time help come that God Himself will have to be two separate so-called Negro are the last members of their people the black nation of the earth from there once we master this is the time according to the prosthetic and prophetic signs and writings our prophet that we must be separated I just want to ask you one question along the separation three before we move on there are approximately 22 million Negroes in the United States there's an estimated 100,000 members of these we belong to your sect now how can you expect 100 thousand to dominate 22 million who don't feel the same way that you do mr. cup the number doesn't doesn't mean anything we have this date in fact that less people today even the people that dominated in the world today your own race they was not started with even a hundred thousand only fifty nine thousand was used to make your own world it don't make any difference about the number its own it the one that believing in the finest about accomplishing the aim and the purpose if you had your choice of territory this country what would you select well I'm not saying it's a help set time and again I will not say I would like to have a room in your house whoever you are willing to give me along there mr. muhammad in your book you also say that war between the non-whites and the whites is inevitable if you will permit me mr. pepper I would like to go back to this separation right after has been misunderstood on this we know that the prophecy says that we should be returned or will be returned to our but I said here in this book and almost weekly I am saying something about it that if America want to ease their troubles and this is the trouble that she is confronted with typically I don't care what someone might say or may say about the problem but the problem of America it is firstly and the solution has been given and this is just only a little twist of the solution that I am presenting to America today that instead of all of this I would say mistreating the poem and crying out today for more justice and better justice better recognition 30 over here in some place you have a house big enough to do so put him over here someplace so for himself the kindest to what be safe you knows the truth you will know that he should be somewhere himself because you will never agree to all that Edom and [Music] you cannot see so unless you want to become a subject slave yourself or that you want to get in the same status that just renders it to eat all of this demand that is time to respect me once way as you equal you turn to that and keep your respect in the world of civilized nation that you can should say stop trying to force the ideal in the place that he is as good as on earth [Music] even from the master by giving him a chance to sit in the house with you and talk with you and your family or even marry your sons and daughters that ought to prepare and you'll have a tourist jobs for him frankly steel fibers to give him a job keeping that worry is not making him you equal yet he's still unequal and it's a real eager thing to say he's my equal because I keep from my social space with me this is bad on the white man's party but the operatively integration in the marriage it only makes him worse and eyes of the world and his intelligent is now has been I would say Rock and his thesis II of his society is lost even by just offering the flame such opportunity display they please over get to himself so boy you help allow me to use this same boy who has been the good old flower boil for me now I'm going to let you talk for yourself there's some new yes apply I will punish you prior to lose until that you're able to pay for them make them yourself you don't think that the right man really think so the Negro's boy any more than that he still calls them boys in many parts of the country you still refuse to acknowledge though that the tremendous progress of any number of Negroes and all the arts and all the political world and all the sports world in the entertainment world in education these people are not the equal of the whites with the tremendous success well if you have made progress and the weight of civilization for the white man or in the civilization of the white men well why objects then through him going doing this for himself let em with their weight awake not for himself but don't you feel mr. Mohammed that this success is generated among the Negro youth who look up to these peoples idols and they in such take a place in the society as successful people hired by the people who learn the truth when he learn the truth of himself and to go for myself I don't walk through it here's lady for you I don't want you I want to be my independent self I'm not some other space for my people like you you came here and taking it the knowledge and power of you on father's from and you made a great country out of it then you go back to my country and bring us here to say yes for 300 years we've had different for you I willingly or unwillingly we did so in our father now for a hundred years you said we are sweet and I send it yes we are nothing for you we are so Brian different then we still look forward for you to make our clothes boss get the cutting in and looking at you do all of this for us if you'll pardon me I must say that your interpretation of the Negro is far different than mine you saw more like there was when you say that Negro is deaf dumb and blind you don't want to be linked with governor Wallace associated it's written in the Bible one didn't like this no but he announces the denunciation saying the possibility renunciation ego is dominant in the Bible that we're blind and dumb and even yet so many people certainly will disagree with it in the prophets they're only in your Bible not in any other Bible it's in your Bible that the Negro is dumb and I got mine from you I'll have to pause for a moment mr. Mohammed for a message and we'll be right back I know you want to say a few more words before on separation before we go up there are very anxious to finish what we started with on the separation is very nice and good for America to prepare education air firstly that she wants there insert the education that we have a quad from white America it helped us to begin for self anywhere on this earth that we made prefer to go our state if we are to stay here with you we must stay there a separate part of America with you and the education is still a septic we need all the education must stop and say that that we can of good education to help us to go for South and as far as our reaction to what we have for quad and the way of education it doesn't mean that we should now be satisfied to remain with you just because that we have now acquired more respect of South in the way of vegetation and can do more better service for you then we have in the past the thing of it is this we have a quiet enough to make a step out of the house our planet where that dollar fathers was in slave by putting money we should now go and you should help us to go and provide the necessary means for us to continue going in the way up south this would also give you a great and a good name the slave Senate a slave masters honestly thought you were for a provision to keep going for himself we need modern tools now we don't need to rely on you we need a tractor and we need the land circling that will provide the living and the necessity of life otherwise such is building built and other machinery we want to that we can go into Europe Winkley and pull out of our treasures the necessary means for us to build a nation for ourselves but is this consistent mr. muhammad with your position you were saying about the negro doing things for himself then you say the government was turn around and give them all this territory and operated for him for 20 years and now we want to go for ourselves are we to get started for us if the same master is not willing to provide the means for us to go free for ourselves in your position in separation the youth feel that the Supreme Court made a mistake in 1954 when it ruled that segregation must end in the public school system no I don't say the government made a mistake by saying that the kind of segregation that we have lived under should we dominate it I don't think you may be in a mistake there but I do think the government is making a mistake they'll require 200 us from being separated we have already lived on a segmentation for the past century we would like to be separated and live what we here to ourselves if we cannot get along with you in peace let me take you into another area that we discussed at the opening of the show mr. Mohammed that is your prediction in the book the message to the black man that the whites and the non-white inevitably must come to a war do you really feel that there must be a war between the races if you will not submit to the law of justice freedom justice and equality and submit to do good thank you this is the time that good confront us to rule the people and not even know history teaches us that you have always worn and Europe there was once a 100 year war thirty year war and they have continued a war history of your racial percentage civilization there's no need the white man mr. Mohammed every man white red yellow has always engaged in war this was much you never give any knowledge of a wall between the brown yellow black racist before you the Chinese in Japanese award for many many centuries and only the blacks in Africa had their tribal wars and the Muslims and Christianity and the religious wars wars been a part of manners and your sphere for ruling the people six six six thousand years you will maintain what happens then the period of six thousand years well you are the boss yeah you started that you maintain that the white man according to this book has been on this earth only six thousand years understand a thousand black men was many many years centuries before we don't have no breaker it but the anthropological facts may differ with you but this of course according to your religion right it depends on the man who birthed the hello Asian of this people bones and rocks and whatnot your statement of inevitable war is so reminiscent of what Red China has been saying that the yellow race and with the colored race will like will fight the white race that it's a little frightening that you would be in the same being the same line of reasoning with him we cannot move ourselves if we are there by God himself in the beginning we are there and you are there in the very beginning we cannot change nothing and I'm not asking for no one to accept any change that I would cry and me because I'm not trying to make what everything was that I say concerning the truth what is war brother if the separation of nation I have it from Bible one from Jesus from all the prophets in the past God Himself and I'm not talking myself I'm talking what God and His Prophet say of course mr. Muhammad Jesus and all the other recognized religious leaders always preached love not hatred I take for instance Jesus he taught love of his father we used the name he used the thought that we should love the father we should love the word the teachings of God we should love the man but love God and love the teachings of God this was Moses teaches us to love God with all our heart soul might and strength but you are not taught to love the enemy the nations that will not love you God and will not allow you to pass through was not allow you to settle in your land we should destroy that nation our God will destroy them before you this is Moses and the God goes so far as to say himself that the there was two brothers that he loved one in Haiti the other that is the first hater there jesus also seconds his father in these words that unless you can hate your mother brother sister father pick up the cross and come follow me you cannot be my disciple you have to hate those there he comes to us oh well no teachings there and mathy I think it's around Matthew and John 1 anyway is there in this teacher here comes again some more of Jesus teaching he maintains the same of the two brother one hated the northern love to fortify his own hatred of the evil people he did not declare himself as being a lover of all men he could not be the representative god he loved all people because some people are evil and a time of judging and letting outer senses to the evil and are the country people of God is also on the page of history that these prophets put there for us the reason study Moses did so and now comes Jesus either covers his fear of delivering the message to Israel a final message and then denounces people as being enemies of God and that a day of judgment is set for your execution all of this is given right there of the Bible that is put in the word of Jesus and we continue to have this and then the beginning we have it Moses address Israel and Deuteronomy they're saying to Israel that in the very beginning when we speak of separation that God separated the sons of Adam if God saw it more first and peaceful to separate these sons of Adam brothers these sons represent brothers they can't live together we separate the various sons of Adam and give them praise on the faith and set boundaries for them that they cannot be eaten in and out of the Evenstar country without the Commission about me that you must have permission to come in my part of the country and now all of this is set forth to us in the Bible and puts the Christian so we should believe yep the Christian don't believe in his own Bibles the sames of his own Bible I can he preached to us to believe in it get the Christian don't want to abide by the book that he represents is from the prophets of God and their things how can then he taught us to believe that which he don't believe himself [Music] [Music]

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