♪ ♪ IT'S 5:00 IN NEW YORK CITY AND THIS IS "THE FIVE." CBS AND 60 MINUTES COMING UNDER MAJOR FIRE. IT'S OVER A STORY THEY DID ON THE GOVERNOR RON DeSANTIS. THE PROGRAM CLAIMED THAT HE GAVE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT TO THE PUBLIC IN THE VACCINE ROLLOUT BECAUSE THEY DONATED TO HIS CAMPAIGN, BUT THE FLORIDA GOVERNOR HITTING BACK HARD AGAINST THE ACCUSATION. HE IS ACCUSING 60 MINUTES OF DECEPTIVELY EDITING THE PIECE. HERE'S WHAT THE CLIP LOOKED LIKE WHEN IT AIRED ON CBS. >> NOTING THAT YOU DONATED $100,000 TO YOUR CAMPAIGN AND THEN HE REWARDED THEM WITH THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO DISTRIBUTE THE VACCINATION. >> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WRONG. THAT IS THE SAFE NARRATIVE AND THAT WAS THE COUNTY MAYOR, THE ADMINISTRATOR AND ALL OF THE FOLKS AT PALM BEACH COUNTY AND SAID, HERE ARE SOME OF THE OPTIONS. WE CAN DO MORE DRIVE THROUGH, WE GIVE MORE TO HOSPITALS, AND THEY SAID WE THINK THAT WILL BE THE EASIEST THING FOR OUR RESIDENTS. >> MELISSA McKINLEY IN THE EVERGLADES TOLD US THE GOVERNOR NEVER MET WITH HER WITH THE PUBLIC DEAL. >> EIGHT WILL GO AWAY, GOVERNOR. >> IT'S A FAKE NARRATIVE. IT JUST GETTING USED TO THE NARRATIVE AND YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE FACTS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I MADE IT OUT FOR YOU IN A WAY THAT IS IRREFUTABLE. >> AND HERE IS WHAT CBS CAME OUT INCLUDING RON DeSANTIS DECIDING TO CHOOSE PUBLIC. >> WE WANTED TO EXPAND THE DISTRIBUTION POINTS, SO YOU HAVE THE COUNTY, SOME DRIVE-THROUGH SITES COMING UP HOSPITALS THAT WERE DOING A LOT, AND WENT TO GIVING COMMUNITIES MORE SO WE REACHED OUT TO OTHER RETAIL PHARMACIES, WALMART, OBVIOUSLY CVS AND WALGREENS FINISH THAT MISSION AND WE WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET DONE WITH THAT. FOR THE PUBLIC THEY WERE NOT READY TO GO, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WE DID IT ON A TRIAL BASIS, I ACTUALLY SHOWED UP THAT WEEKEND AND TALK TO SENIORS ACROSS THE PUBLIC HOW IS THE EXPERIENCE? IT WAS GOOD, IT WAS 100% POSITIVE. >> Juan: CBS CONTINUES TO STAND BEHIND THEIR STORY SAYING THAT OUR STORY SUNDAY NIGHT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. DANA PERINO, LET ME BEGIN WITH YOU. RON DeSANTIS CLAIMS HE IS BEING SMEARED BY LEFT-WING CORPORATE MEDIA. HE POINTS OUT THAT CBS HAS NOT DONE A STORY ON EMBATTLED NEW YORK GOVERNOR ANDREW CUOMO. BUT THE CBS PEOPLE SAY THAT HE TURNED DOWN TWO INTERVIEWS. SO I'M THINKING IS THIS A NORMAL PRESS VERSUS POLITICIAN CONFLICT THAT IS BEING BLOWN UP BY THE GRIEVANCE MEDIA AND POLITICAL POLARIZATION? >> Dana: SOMETIMES I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, IN THIS CASE, NO. WHEN THEY SAY THAT IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, IT SURE DOES AND IT HAS BEEN GOING FOR TWO DAYS. IF THEY WANTED TO HELP RON DeSANTIS SOLIDIFY HIS POSITION AS ONE OF THE TOP LEADERS IN AMERICA, THEY COULD NOT HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB. THE WAY THAT THEY EDITED THE VIDEO WOULD'VE BEEN PULLED OFF THE AIR IF IT WAS A POLITICAL ADD IN THE OPPONENT COMPLAINED IT WOULD'VE BEEN PULLED OFF OR LESS. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY WITH DEALING WITH CBS ON SUCH DECEPTION AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS TOO FAR TO SAY THAT THIS IS REMINISCENT OF THINGS IN THE PAST WHERE THEY FORGED DOCUMENTS AND ERROR TO THEM. AND WHEN IT CAME TO GEORGE W. BUSH'S NATIONAL GUARD AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, WEIGHT, REPORTS AND MOVE ON. TO THE OTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR GOVERNOR DeSANTIS RIGHT NOW IS TO MOVE BEYOND JUST TALKING TO THE REPUBLICAN BASE. HE HAS A GREAT STORY TO TELL ABOUT FLORIDA AND HOW FLORIDA HAS DONE IN COVID. WE HAVE DAN BONGINO ON HERE WHO CAN TALK ABOUT IT WITH MORE DIRECT EXPERIENCE, BUT YOU'LL FLORIDA AND TEXAS WHO HAD A DIFFERENT APPROACH FOR DEALING WITH THE COVID AND THE LOCKDOWN TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO KEEP THE ECONOMY OPEN WHILE KEEPING PEOPLE SAFE. AND YOU HAVE THESE DEMOCRATIC STARS OF GOVERNOR NEWSOM AND CUOMO WITH THE WORST RECORD. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE BEYOND JUST TALKING ABOUT CBS AND EDITING THAT PIECE ABOUT HIM, THE LAST THING I WOULD POINT OUT IS THAT I INTERVIEWED THE MAYOR OF PALM BEACH THIS MORNING AND HE IS A DEMOCRAT WHO RAISED HIS HAND IMMEDIATELY AFTER SAYING THAT "60 MINUTES" INTERVIEW AND SAID, THIS IS NOT RIGHT OR WHAT HAPPEN, THIS IS WRONG. AND HE SAID THAT HE TALKED TO THEM FOR OVER 50 MINUTES BUT THAT NOTHING HE SAID WAS INCLUDED IN THE PIECE. WHEN THEY ISSUED ANOTHER STATEMENT ABOUT THIS, THEY SAID, WELL, WE TALKED TO THAT MAYOR. YOU TALK TO HIM, BUT NOTHING SUNK IN ENDING FEELS IT WAS DECEPTIVE. WHEN YOU HAVE A DEMOCRATIC MIRROR DEFENDING THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AT THE TOP OF HIS POLITICAL FIELD, THEN YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A PROBLEM AT CBS. >> Juan: HERE IS THE VIDEO. >> I PARTICIPATED IN SPEAKING WITH THE PRODUCER OF HER 60 MINUTES FOR OVER 45 MINUTES AND GAVE DIRECT IDEAS OF THE GOVERNMENT MEETING THAT I HAD HERE IN MY OFFICE A FEW MONTHS AGO, AND WHEN I WATCHED THE PIECE I WAS TAKEN ABACK REALLY THAT NONE OF MY COMMENTS, NONE OF MY PERSPECTIVE WAS INCLUDED. >> Juan: KATY, TWO FLORIDA DEMOCRATS INCLUDING THE GOVERNOR SAW SAYING THEY AGREE WITH THE GOVERNOR THAT IMPACT THEY THOUGHT PUBLIC SHOULD BE USED TO VACCINATE PEOPLE IN THE STATE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, 60 MINUTES ACTUALLY NOTED THAT PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC FORTUNE GAVE MAJOR DONATION TO PUBLIC TO HIS POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE JUST BEFORE THAT BIG CONTRACT WAS GIVEN TO THE PUBLIC. SO I JUST WANT TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU THINK ISN'T THAT A STORY? >> Katie: NO, FIRST OF ALL $100,000 IN FLORIDA AS A CAMPAIGN DONATION IS REALLY NOT A LOT OF MONEY. PUBLIC IS THE MOST POPULAR GROCERY STORE CHAIN AND THEY EXPLAINED THAT THERE IS A PUBLIX WITHIN THE MILE AND A HALF OF MOST SENIOR COMMUNITY IS IN FLORIDA WHICH IS WHY THEY DECIDED TO GO WITH A FIRST WHY THEY DECIDED TO VACCINATE SENIORS FIRST. BUT IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR PAY TO PLAY WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY WHAT CBS IS TRYING TO GO FOR, GAVIN NEWSOM RECEIVED $23 MILLION FROM BLUE SHIELD IN CALIFORNIA. AND GAVE THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO WHAT WAS HAPPENING. SO $23 MILLION VERSUS $100,000 OF ROUTINE POLITICAL DONATION TO RON DeSANTIS. THERE IS NO STORY THERE ANY AT AT -- CBS SAYS THAT THEY REACH OUT TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE. BUT WHAT I LIKE FOR THE STORY IS THAT YOU LOOK AT FLORIDA AND IT IS OBVIOUS THAT DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS UNLIKE THE REST OF THE COUNTRY WERE ABLE TO RISE ABOVE POLITICS AND PARTISANSHIP TO GET THE JOB DONE WHEN IT CAME TO GETTING PEOPLE VACCINATED QUICKLY. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE FOCUS IS HERE AND WE WILL SEE WHAT CBS DOES. >> Juan: GREG, YOU HAVE POLITICIANS, AND MINORITY AREAS IN FLORIDA POINTING OUT THAT THEY WERE NOT GETTING ACCESS TO THE VACCINE IN A COMPARABLE WAY TO PEOPLE WHO WERE WEALTHY LANDOWNERS TO RON DeSANTIS. IS THAT FAIR TO POINT OUT AS A CRITICISM? >> Greg: I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE IT IS SIMPLY ONE VARIABLE. WHEN YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THEY ARE A NUMBER OF VARIABLES GOING ON IN TERMS OF AGE AND RISK FACTORS. THE THING THAT GETS ME, THERE ARE TWO THINGS ON THIS. AND WHEN 60 MINUTES IN THEIR DEFENSE HAD THIS BRAG THAT STIRRED DEBATE AND PROMPTED A STRONG REACTION. BUT THE NEGLECTED STATE OF THE DEBATE THROUGH ITS CORRUPT METHODS, AND CREATING THIS DEBATE. SO INSTEAD OF SAYING MY INCOMPETENCE RAISES AWARENESS OF INCOMPETENT PEOPLE, THE STRONG REACTION IS OVER THE DISHONEST MANIPULATION OF TAPE IN THIS. AND CBS CLAIMS THAT THEY EDITED THE PIECE FOR CLARITY, THAT'S LIKE SAYING WE ARE LYING FOR THE TRUTH, BECAUSE YOU CAN CONSIDER THIS LOGIC THAT THE CONTEXT GETS IN THE WAY OF A STORY. AND SADLY THEY KIND OF OUR RIGHT. THE GRIM INTENTION ALL ALONG IS TO SHAPE THEIR NARRATIVE. AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THE CONTEXT WHETHER IT IS WATCHING THE POST OF THE COVINGTON KIDS OR KATIE COURIC WITH THOSE GUN OWNERS OR 60 MINUTES, THEY LOOK AT PEOPLE'S LIVES LIKE A BLOCK OF CLAY AND IT IS UP TO THEM TO CARVE THE STORY OF DISCORD OUT OF IT TO MAKE MONEY, BECAUSE THE POSITIVE UPLIFTING STORY OF WHICH THERE ARE MANY, THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET THEM CLICKS. THEY HAVE TO FIND THE NEGATIVE ELEMENTS IN EVERY STORY. AND IN THIS CASE WAS LINKING THE PUBLIC TO THIS. BUT THIS IS ALWAYS THE MEDIA'S GOAL, POSITIVE STORIES DON'T HELP. THE GOAL IS TO MANAGE DESTRUCTION OF YOUR TARGET. IT IS THE RICHARD JEWELL EFFECT. >> Juan: YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT FLORIDA AS DANA WAS SAYING, IT SEEMS LIKE RON DeSANTIS FORTUNE POLITICALLY ARE RISING AND DEFENDING HIM, HE IS A HERO. BUT WHAT YOU GET IS A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING, THIS IS THE SAME GUY WHO BELIEVED THE CLAIMS OF ELECTION FRAUD. WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> THAT WAS INTERESTING HOW YOU THREW THAT IN THERE, JUAN, REALLY NICE TRY. THIS IS A TOTAL LIE, A STORY DESIGNED TO APPEAL THE IDIOTS. SO IF YOU ARE A, THE STORY ON "60 MINUTES" ABSOLUTELY APPEALED TO YOU. DO YOU THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THERE. IT'S TOTALLY MADE UP AND NOT A SHRED OF TRUTH TO IT. IF YOU ACTUALLY LIVE IN FLORIDA LIKE I DO, YOU CAN'T SWING A WIFFLE BAT WITHOUT HITTING A PUBLIC, BECAUSE THERE IS ONE IN EVERY DIRECTION. ALSO PUBLIX DONATES TO EVERYONE IN FLORIDA BECAUSE THEY HAVE 816 STORES IN FLORIDA, SO JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE THEY DONATE TO POLITICIANS. LET ME BRING SOMETHING UP. IF YOU WERE GOING TO DISTRIBUTE THE VACCINE, WOULD YOU DO IT IN A PLACE THAT HAD -- THIS IS A TOUGH ONE FOR LIBERALS, SO THINK THIS THROUGH. TAKE THE BLINDERS OFF AND THINK THIS THROUGH. IT DO YOU WANT TO PUT IN A LOCATION THAT IS 800 OR 300? I KNOW THAT LIBERALS, THEY HAVE BEEN VACCINATED TO THE TRUTHS, RIGHT? I KNOW THAT THAT'S HARD FOR THEM TO FIGURE OUT, BUT 816 LOCATIONS
