>> Tucker: MEGYN KELLY WAS A FIXTURE AT FOX. IN EARLY 2017, SHE MOVED NBC WERE AMONG MANY OTHER THINGS SHE ANCHORED THE THIRD HOUR OF "THE TODAY SHOW." IT TURNED OUT TO BE A TURBULENT YEAR. EXECUTIVE CAUGHT COVERING UP FOR Q6 CRIMINAL HARVEY WEINSTEIN. THE NETWORK’S MOST FAMOUS ANCHOR, MATT LAUER, FOR THE BUILDING AFTER HE WAS IMPLICATED IN A LAUNDRY LIST OF MISDEEDS. AN AWFUL LOT OF DRAMA FOR ONE NETWORK. MEGYN KELLY WAS RIGHT THERE TO SEE ALL OF IT. SHE LEFT HER SHOW LAST OCTOBER. SHE HAS NOT DONE A SINGLE TELEVISED INTERVIEW SINCE. WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE HER ON THE SET TONIGHT. MEGYN, GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. >> Tucker: THE RONAN FARROW BOOK ADDS DETAILS TO WHAT WE ESSENTIALLY KNEW WHICH IS THAT NBC EXECUTIVES, PRACTICALLY HEAD OF NBC NEWS, COVERED UP FOR HARVEY WEINSTEIN. HERE’S WHAT RONAN FARROW’S BOOK SAYS. I WANT YOUR REACTION TO THIS QUOTE. "PHARAOH BRINGS A RECORDING BY THE NYPD TO NBC AND AN EIGHT HARVEY WEINSTEIN ADMITS THAT HE ABUSED AN ITALIAN MODEL. ON TAPE. NO OFF CHAIM RESPONDS "MY VIEW IS THAT THE TAPE AND HARVEY WEINSTEIN GRABBING A LADIES A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THAT’S NOT NATIONAL NEWS. "DOES THAT SURPRISE YOU, HAVING WORKED THERE? BECAUSE NOTHING SURPRISES ME ANYMORE. IN THIS INDUSTRY. AS I WATCHED THE RONAN STORY UNFOLD, THE ONE THING I WANTED TO KNOW IS WHAT DID THEY KNOW AND WHEN DID THEY KNOW IT. I’VE BEEN REPORTING ON THE STORE EVEN WHILE I WAS AT NBC. I TALKED TO RONAN. I TALKED TO HIS PRODUCER, I TALKED TO ROSE McGOWAN. I TALKED TO MANY HARVEY WEINSTEIN VICTIMS AND ACCUSERS AND WAS GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT NBC KNEW WHILE I WAS THERE.
AND WAS GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT NBC KNEW WHILE I WAS THERE. AND THEN JUST INDEPENDENTLY. THE QUESTION IS WHAT DID THEY KNOW ABOUT MATT LAUER PRIOR TO THE TIME THE WOMAN CAME FORWARD WHO WAS ULTIMATELY HIS DOWNFALL? SHE CAME FORWARD. HER NAME IS BROOKE NEVILS. MADE AN ALLEGATION AGAINST MATT LAUER AND THE COMPANIES WHOLE DEFENSE TO RONAN’S BOOK ESSENTIALLY HAS BEEN THAT’S THE FIRST WE KNEW ABOUT MATT LAUER. THERE WAS NO DEAL BETWEEN US AND HARVEY WEINSTEIN SO THAT HE HARVEY WEINSTEIN TO COVER UP FOR WOULDN’T REPORT ON MATT LAUER. BECAUSE WE DIDN’T KNOW THAT MATT LAUER WAS DOING THIS. WE HAD NO NOTICE OF IT WHATSOEVER. >> Tucker: IS NOT A PLAUSIBLE CLAIM? >> IF THEY HAD NO SETTLEMENTS OF ANY KIND AND NO COMPLAINTS ABOUT
>> IF THEY HAD NO SETTLEMENTS OF ANY KIND AND NO COMPLAINTS ABOUT MATT LAUER PRIOR TO BROOKE NEVILS COMING FORWARD, SURE, IT MIGHT BE. BUT IS IT TRUE? HERE IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. NO SETTLEMENTS OF ANY KIND. NO SETTLEMENTS. THAT’S ILLEGAL SLEIGHT-OF-HAND. YOU CAN GET PAID OUT AS A SEXUAL-HARASSMENT VICTIM IN SOMETHING OTHER THAN A SETTLEMENT. YOU CAN GET WHAT’S CALLED ENHANCED SEVERANCE. THAT’S THE SITUATION WHERE THE RECEPTIONIST IS SUDDENLY GETTING A SEVEN-FIGURE GOODBYE. SHE WAS AN AMAZING TYPIST. IT IS SEVERANCE. IT’S NOT A SETTLEMENT. BY THE WAY, IF YOU COULD BE REALLY QUIET ABOUT NBC FOREVER MORE, WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THAT’S WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW. THEY HAVEN’T GOTTEN SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT MONIES WERE PAID OUT TO HOME. SHOW US THE MONEY. THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NOW IS THEY NEED TO RELEASE ANY AND ALL MATT LAUER ACCUSERS FROM THEIR CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENTS. NBC SAYS IT HAS NOTHING TO HIDE. GREAT. LET’S NOT HIDE ANYTHING. SHOW US ALL OF THE AGREEMENTS, THE ENHANCED SEVERANCE AGREEMENTS REACHED OR AT LEAST THE NUMBER SO WE CAN SEE WHICH ONES POP OUT AND WHICH ONES ARE SUPER HIGH. ARE THEY ALL WOMEN? DO THEY ALL HAVE A CONNECTION WITH MATT LAUER? RELEASE THE WOMEN FROM THEIR CONFIDENTIALITY OBLIGATIONS. >> Tucker: THIS PROBABLY WOULD BE KNOWN RIGHT NOW IF THE NETWORK HAD CONDUCTED AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION. LAST SEPTEMBER, EARLY SEPTEMBER, YOU ON YOUR SHOW ON THE AIR AND NBC CALLED FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO THESE ALLEGATIONS. TECHNICALLY HAVE THE TAPE OF YOU DOING IT. >> THERE’S A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATOR TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THIS. BETWEEN THE INVESTIGATION NBC DID INTERNALLY ON MATT LAUER TO KNOW THIS, THERE’S A QUESTION OF THE FAITH AND CONFIDENCE OF THE PUBLIC AND THE REPORTING OF NBC ON MATTERS INVOLVING ITSELF. TO ME AS A LAWYER, IT’S JUST ALWAYS BETTER IF YOU SEND IT OUTSIDE. THEN PEOPLE CAN HAVE MORE FAITH IN IT AND IF THERE’S NOTHING TO HIDE, YOU HAVE NO WORRIES ABOUT EIGHT. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. >> Tucker: PEOPLE’S JAWS HUNG OPEN WHEN HE SAID THAT. THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE PUBLISHED ACCOUNTS THAT SAY YOU WERE FIRED FROM NBC A LITTLE MORE THAN A MONTH LATER FOR SAYING THAT. IT’S THAT IN MIND, WITHOUT HAVING YOU COMMENT ON IT, I WANT TO GET YOUR RESPONSE ON SOMETHING THAT AN ANCHOR AT MSNBC DID TWO NIGHTS AGO. CHRIS HAYES ADDRESSED THE CREDIBILITY OF THE PRESIDENT OF NBC NEWS DIRECTLY IN HER SHOW. HE SAID THIS. >> OPPENHEIMER AND OTHERS HAVE MAINTAINED THE WEINSTEIN STORY WAS NEVER BROADCAST BECAUSE IT LACKED SUFFICIENT ON THE RECORDS WERE SYNCED AFTER NBC SUPPORTED RONAN FARROW’S ASSIGNMENT. >> RONAN FARROW WALKED OUT OF NBC NEWS AFTER WORKING ON THE WEINSTEIN STORY AND WITHIN TWO MONTHS PUBLISHED AN INCREDIBLE ARTICLE AT THE NEW YORKER, THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE IS ALWAYS THERE. BECKONING SEDUCTIVELY WITH AN ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE COVER STORY. YOU HAVE BIGGER FISH TO FRY. THE STORY ISN’T READY. THE IT’S THE EASE OF THE PATH THAT MAKES IT THE ENEMY TO THE KIND OF WORK IT WE AS JOURNALISTS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. >> Tucker: HE IS SAYING ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU SAID. HE DOESN’T TRUST THE MANAGEMENT NBC NEWS. GIVEN YOUR EXTREMES, DO YOU THINK IS IN JEOPARDY OF BEING FIRED? >> NO COMMENT ON THAT. I WILL SAY THE QUESTION IS OPEN AS TO WHETHER THEY PUT DOLLARS AHEAD OF DECENCY. IF THEY WERE MORE INTERESTED IN PROTECTING THEIR START ANCHOR THEM PROTECTING THE WOMEN OF THE COMPANY. THERE NEEDS TO BE AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION INTO THIS COMPANY. THEY INVESTIGATED THEMSELVES. THAT DOESN’T WORK. FOX NEWS HAD AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATOR. CBS NEWS HAD AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATOR. NPR, THE NFL. THIS IS HOW IT’S DONE. YOU GET SOMEBODY ON THE OUTSIDE WHO CAN BE TRUSTED. WHAT HAPPENED HERE IF YOU GOT NOAH OPPENHEIMER WHO NOW THEY ARE PULLING HIS COLLEGE WRITINGS WERE HE SAID WOMEN LOVE TO BE PRAYED ON. APPARENTLY HE THINKS WOMEN LOVE TO BE PREYED UPON. NOAH HAS SAID THAT I DEEPLY REGRET IT. PEOPLE DO WRITE DOWN THINGS IN COLLEGE. AND THEY SAY DUMB THINGS. TRUST ME. BUT THAT’S THE PERSON WHO IS INVESTIGATING. ANDY LACK -- I’M SORRY, THE REPORTING THAT RONAN HAS PUT OUT IS THAT THERE IS AN ACCUSER, A WOMAN NAMED JANE WALLACE WHO SAID SHE WAS BULLIED OUT OF A JOB AND WORKING FOR ANDY YEARS AGO. SHE HAD A CONSENSUAL AFFAIR WITH HIM BUT THEN SHE SAYS SHE WAS RETALIATED AGAINST. SHE SAYS SHE SAYS HUMORLESSLY PREYED ON FEMALE UNDERLINGS. IF THESE HAVE PEOPLE OVERSEEING THE INVESTIGATION INTO NBC. THEY HAD THE GENERAL COUNSEL TO THE INVESTIGATION. HOW ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO TRUST IT? THAT’S WHY HE GOT TO GET SOME AT ANY OUTSIDE. >> Tucker: THERE’S A STRIKING IRONY. EVEN AS THE MANAGEMENT OF NBC CLEARLY IGNORED SEXUAL MISCONDUCT AND ABUSE WITHIN THEIR OWN BUILDING, THEY SEEMED TO PUMP UP AND ABET WILD AND UNSUBSTANTIATED ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT AGAINST PEOPLE IN POLITICS THEY DON’T LIKE. I WATCHED YOU ON A PANEL AT NBC WHEN YOU WORK THERE LAST YEAR ON KAVANAUGH, THE LAST ARE YOU COVERED. SAVANNAH GUTHRIE, CHUCK TODD. YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON ON THE PANEL WHO HELD OUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT MAYBE BRETT KAVANAUGH WAS NOT A RAPIST BRETT KAVANAUGH WAS NOT A RAPIST. DID YOU FEEL LIKE THE ONLY PERSON CAPABLE OF BEING OBJECTIVE? TO GO THERE’S NO QUESTION THAT THE REPORTING THAT WAS DONE ON NBC ON SOMEONE LIKE JULIE SWETNICK, COMPLETELY DISCREDITED ALLEGED THIRD ACCUSER AGAINST KAVANAUGH. A WOMAN WHOSE STORY HAD TONS OF HOLES IN IT. THERE WAS A DATE RAPE AND THEN EVERYBODY SAW IT AND NOBODY SIDE. SHE IMPLODED ON THE AIR. THEY WENT TO AIR WITH THAT STORY. WITH FAR LESS TREPIDATION THEN THEY SHOWED GOING TO AIR ON THE HARVEY WEINSTEIN STORY FOR WHICH THEY HAD TAPES. THEY HAD WITNESSES. THEY HAD WOMEN ON THE RECORD. ROSE McGOWAN WAS JUST ONE OF THEM. THERE IS A QUESTION OF WHY. WAS IT POLITICAL, AS YOU SUGGEST? WAS IT SOMETHING ELSE? WAS IT TO PROTECT SOMEBODY INTERNALLY? SOMEONE WHO WASN’T THE WOMEN OF THE COMPANY. WHAT RONAN IS SUGGESTING IS THEY COVERED UP FOR ONE SEXUAL PREDATOR, HARVEY WEINSTEIN, IN ORDER TO PROTECT ANOTHER, MATT LAUER. THEY DENY ALL OF IT AND NBC HAS PUT OUT SEVERAL STATEMENT SAYING THAT RONAN IS A CONSPIRACY THEORIST AND THIS IS ALL NONSENSE AND HE’S GOT AN AX TO GRIND. BUT IF THAT’S TRUE AND THERE’S NOTHING TO >> Tucker: WELCOME BACK. MEGYN KELLY HASN’T BEEN ON TV FOR YEARS AND SHE HAS A LOT TO SAY. WE HAVE ARE HERE TONIGHT. THANKS TO RONAN FARROW WE’VE LEARNED ABOUT THE LINKS SOME NBC EXECUTIVES WENT TO COVER UP SEXUAL ABUSE. THE DETAILS ARE STUNNING. EVEN SOME ON THE LEFT, PRESUMABLY NBC VIEWERS THEMSELVES, HAVE EXPRESSED OUTRAGE. THE FEMINIST GROUP ULTRA VIOLET SAID "THE DNC NEEDS TO MAKE IT CLEAR THEY SUPPORT SURVIVORS OF SEXUAL ABUSE AND CANCEL THE UPCOMING 2020 DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT PRIMARY DEBATE ON MSNBC UNTIL COMCAST AND NBC NEWS TAKE CLEAR STEPS TO CLEAN UP THE
MSNBC UNTIL COMCAST AND NBC NEWS TAKE CLEAR STEPS TO CLEAN UP THE TOXIC CULTURE THAT EXIST ACROSS THEIR NETWORK." MEGYN KELLY, DO YOU THINK THERE’S ANY CHANCE THE DNC WILL ACT ON IT? >> I DO THINK THERE’S A CHANCE. I DO. IF THIS WERE FOX NEWS AND FOX NEWS WERE HOSTING A DEMOCRATIC DEBATE IN CONJUNCTION WITH "THE WASHINGTON POST," THEY
DEMOCRATIC DEBATE IN CONJUNCTION WITH "THE WASHINGTON POST," THEY WOULD BE PUTTING ON THE FULL-COURT PRESS TO MAKE SURE FOX MADE SOME SORT OF PROMISE TO CLEAN UP ITS ACT. SO I THINK -- I TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. PEOPLE ARE NOT SCREWING AROUND ANYMORE WHEN IT COMES TO THE TREATMENT OF WOMEN. WHAT USED TO BE TOLERATED WILL NOT BE TOLERATED ANYMORE. IT’S NOT THAT WE HAVE A PERFECT CULTURE LIKE THAT WHEN WE RECOGNIZE THERE’S A PROBLEM. IS THAT COMPANIES ARE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME CLEAN, INVESTIGATE WITH THE PROBLEMS ARE, AND COME UP WITH RESOLUTIONS. NBC SAYS IT’S DONE THAT. THEY SAY YOU CAN TRUST THE INTERNAL GC. RONAN HAS GIVEN US 400 REASONS TO DOUBT IT. IT’S REALLY UP TO THE PUBLIC. ARE THEY GOING TO PUT THE PRESSURE ON THEM TO DO SOMETHING, GET AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATOR, OR AREN’T THEY? >> Tucker: ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING I THINK DETAILS, MAYBE NOT SO SURPRISING, THAT HILLARY CLINTON APPLIED PRESSURE TO FARROW, HE SAYS, NOT TO PURSUE THE HARVEY WEINSTEIN STORY. SO I WONDER AND OF COURSE I DON’T KNOW THE TRUTH. THAT’S HIS CLAIM. WHY HASN’T ANYONE ASKED HILLARY CLINTON ABOUT IT? >> IF HE EVENTUALLY THEY WILL. THERE’S A LOT OF FISH TO FRY THERE. I THINK HILLARY SPOKES VISION IS, IT SAID IT WAS NOTHING AND IT’S BEEN MISSED OR PRESENTED. WE ARE KIND OF DENYING IT. MORE NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR US TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. NBC SAYS THERE IS NO WAY FOR THEM TO KNOW ANY OF IT. BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T KNOW ANYTHING UNTIL BROOKE NEVILS CAME IN AND ONLY THAT POINTED A COUPLE MORE WOMEN COME FORWARD AND SAY ME TOO. THE TRUTH IS WE’VE SEEN ALREADY THERE WAS A WOMAN, I HAD HER ON MY SHOW I WAS AT NBC, SHE HAD A CONSENSUAL AFFAIR WITH FLOUR. HE WAS -- HE PLUCKED HER OUT OF BEING A P.A. BROOKE NEVILS, 30 YEARS OLD, ASSISTANT TO MEREDITH VIEIRA, SAME THING. THE MULTIPLE WAYS OF -- SHE SAYS SHE WAS RAPED BY HIM. HE HAS DENIED IT AND SAID IT WAS CONSENSUAL. ANOTHER WOMAN WHO SAID SHE EXPOSED HIMSELF TO HER AFTER A PARTY AND THAT SHE ULTIMATELY LEFT THE COMPANY. THERE’S A WOMAN WHO CLAIMED SHE HAD SEX WITH HIM IN HIS OFFICE AND SHE FAINTED IT WAS SO DRAMATIC. THE QUESTION IS IF THEY DIDN’T KNOW, WHY DIDN’T THEY KNOW? >> Tucker: THEY ARE LYING. IT DOESN’T DIMINISH THE SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS WITH WHICH THEY APPROACH OTHER PEOPLE SINCE. I WANT TO ASK YOU. YOU WORKED HERE AT FOX NEWS AND YOU WERE TO NBC. YOU’VE GOT SOME PERSPECTIVE. I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE STATE OF JOURNALISM TODAY AND I WANT TO START WITH A CLIP FROM LAST NIGHTS DEBATE. THIS WAS ANDERSON COOPER AT CNN ASKING A QUESTION OF THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN. WATCH THIS. >> THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY CENTERED ON PRESIDENT TRUMP’S ATTEMPTS TO GET POLITICAL DIRT FROM UKRAINE ON VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND HIS SON, HUNTER. MR. VICE PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS FALSELY ACCUSED YOUR SON OF DOING SOMETHING WRONG WHILE SERVING IN A COMPANY BORN IN UKRAINE. I WANT TO POINT OUT THERE’S NO EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING BY EITHER ONE OF YOU. >> Tucker: SO WHAT KIND OF JOURNALIST BEGINS A QUESTION TO A POLITICIAN BY REASSURING HIM THAT ATTACKS BY HIS OPPONENTS ARE FALSE AND THAT HE’S INNOCENT. IS THAT A QUESTION? >> THE ANSWER WAS BAKED INTO THE QUESTION. IT’S CLEAR YOU DID NOTHING WRONG BUT DID YOU DO ANYTHING WRONG? THAT WASN’T ANDERSON’S BEST MOMENT. I LIKE ANDERSON. IT WASN’T HIS BEST MOMENT. IT WOULD’VE BEEN FINE IF HE WOULD’VE SAID YOU DIDN’T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL. NO ONE HAS ALLEGED YOU DID ANYTHING ILLEGAL. BECAUSE REALLY WHAT THE GUY DID HE SAT ON THE BOARD AND HUNTER BIDEN HAS NO EXPERTISE IN UKRAINE. HE HAS NO EXPERTISE ON NATURAL GAS. HE TAKES HIS JOB SITTING ON THE BOARD OF THIS UKRAINIAN COMPANY 50,000 BUCKS A MONTH WHILE HIS DAD IS THE VICE PRESIDENT. THE REASON HE GOT THE JOB IS PRESUMABLY HIS LAST NAME IS BIDEN. SO THEY ARE PAYING FOR ACCESS. THEY ARE PAYING FOR THE ASSOCIATION. IS THAT CORRUPT? YOU CAN MAKE A VERY STRONG ARGUMENT THAT IT IS. IS IT WRONG? THAT IS UP TO THE VOTERS TO DECIDE. MAYBE HE WOULD LIKE IT BACK. MAYBE HE COULD HAVE REWORDED IT. >> Tucker: I AGREE WITH YOU, BY THE WAY. I KNOW ANDERSON COOPER FAIRLY WELL. I DON’T THINK HE’S THE WORST OFFENDER. BUT THIS IS PART OF A LARGER TAPESTRY HERE AND IT ADDS UP TO BASICALLY PARTISAN INTERFERENCE IN AN ELECTION. YOU HAVE JOURNALISTS WHO FEEL THAT THEIR FIRST OBLIGATION IS TO HELP A CANDIDATE OR HURT ANOTHER CANDIDATE. THAT’S NOT JOURNALISM. >> 100%. THIS GOES BACK TO BEFORE TRUMP WAS ELECTED. JORGE RAMOS OF UNIVISION CAME ON MY SHOW AND WE HAD A VERY HEARTFELT DISCUSSION ABOUT JOURNALISM IN AMERICA AND HE MADE A STRONG PLEA FOR JOURNALISTS TO ABANDON NEUTRALITY. HE SAID IT’S OVER. YOU’VE GOT TO COME OUT AND YOU’VE GOT TO SAY TRUMP IS A RACIST. TRUMP IS A MISOGYNIST. TRUMP IS A BIGOT. WHATEVER YOUR VIEW IS, YOU’VE GOT TO SAY IT AND SELL IT. THE TIME FOR NEUTRALITY HAS PASSED. I DO BELIEVE HE’S PERSUADED AND OTHERS HAVE COME TO THEIR OWN CONCLUSION THAT THAT’S THE WAY FORWARD. THAT’S ALL WE HAD A QUESTION -- THERE WAS ANOTHER CNN DEBATE WHERE DON LEMMONS PHYSICALLY SAID HOW DO YOU ANSWER VOTERS WHO PRIORITIZE THE ECONOMY OVERCOMES BIGOTRY. THERE’S A JUDGMENT IN THERE. I’M SAYING FINE, MANY PEOPLE MAY AGREE WITH THAT. IT IS THE ANCHORS’ SUBJECTIVE JUDGMENT AND IT DOESN’T BELONG, IN MY VIEW, IN A DEBATE QUESTION. "NEW YORK TIMES" IS ARGUING ABOUT WHETHER THE TIMES SHOULD BE "PART OF THE RESISTANCE." >> Tucker: THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS NOT THAT SOMEONE SHOWS AN OPINION. IF THAT THEY ARE LYING ABOUT WHERE JOURNALISTS BARELY WHAT IT DOES AND THEY ARE SAYING OBJECTIVE. WHY CAN’T THEY DROP THE PRETENSE AND BE HONEST AND SAY THAT WE ARE PARTISAN COMBATANTS. >> WE ALREADY KNOW. THAT’S A REAL JOKE. WE ALREADY KNOW. FOX NEWS WAS FOUNDED IN 1996. THEY HAD THEIR BIRTHDAY. THE PREMISE THAT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORIES WEREN’T BEING TOLD OF THAT HALF THE COUNTRY WAS BEING IGNORED AND THAT IF YOU DID FAIR AND BALANCED NEWS, THE PEOPLE WOULD WATCH. THERE WAS A PREMISE THAT THE OTHER MEDIA, THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA, MAYBE THEY WEREN’T FAR LEFT BUT THAT THERE WAS A BAKED IN BIAS AGAINST PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN HOMESCHOOLING, WHO BELIEVE IN A PRO-LIFE POSITION, WHO MIGHT HAVE A GUN. SO THEY MADE A WHOLE EMPIRE BASED ON PROGRAMMING TO THOSE PEOPLE. WHAT HAPPENED NOW ON THE OTHER HALF OF THE COUNTRY, IN THE MAINSTREAM, THEY HAVE EMBRACED IT. IT WAS SORT OF PASSIVE AND NOW IT. NOW IT’S LESS WORK. HE IS TOO BAD. WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. WILL BE JUDGED. HISTORY WILL JUDGE WHETHER WE WERE FOR OR AGAINST THIS MAN. >> Tucker: WE WERE PLANNING TO BRING A DENNIS RODMAN SEGMENT. WILL >> Tucker: WELCOME BACK. WE PROMISED YOU A CONVERSATION WITH DENNIS RODMAN ON CHINA IN THE SEGMENT WE GOT CARRIED AWAY TALKING TO MEGYN KELLY SO WERE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT. WE WILL BRING IT TO YOU TOMORROW. >> RODMAN IS A GREAT INTERVIEW. >> Tucker: YOU’VE TAKEN A YEAR OFF AND YOU BEEN THINKING, ASSESSING, PROBABLY WATCHING NEWS. >> A LITTLE. >> Tucker: TWO DAYS AGO, THIS REPORT COMES OUT FROM PROJECT VERITAS AND CNN AND IN IT, WHATEVER YOU THINK OF THEIR METHODS, THEY HAVE THE HEAD OF CNN, JEFF ZUCKER INSTRUCTING HIS EMPLOYEES IMPEACHMENT, IMPEACHMENT, IMPEACHMENT. HITTING IMPEACHMENT NO MATTER WHAT. IMPEACHMENT IS THE ONLY STORY THAT MATTERS. SOUNDS MORE LIKE A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN THAN A NEWS JUDGMENT. >> IMPEACHMENT IS A BIG STORY. IF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS GOING TO GET IMPEACHED AND POSSIBLY BOUNCED OUT OF OFFICE, IT’S A MAJOR STORY. I THINK IT’S DEFENSIBLE ON THE PART OF JEFF ZUCKER BUT I THING THE HYPERFOCUS ON A BUY MOST MEDIA AT THE EXTENT OF ALL ELSE IS NOT NEW. SINCE THE DAY TRUMP GOT INTO OFFICE, THEY HAVE BEEN HYPERFOCUS ON IMPEACHMENT. THIS IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THE DEMOCRATS AND ALSO TO SOME EXTENT THE MEDIA IS UP AGAINST. THAT FROM THE DAY HE TOOK OFFICE, IT WAS THE 25TH AMENDMENT, THE MULLINGS CLAUSE, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. ALL THOSE THINGS. HE HAS TO BE IMPEACHED. IF EVERYTHING IS AND 11, NOTHING IS AND 11. THEY HAVE MAY BE STUMBLED ON AN 11. THEY HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT. TRUMP SAID IT WAS A PERFECT CALL. YOU CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT. NO ONE IS PAYING AS MUCH ATTENTION AS THEY OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE IF WE HADN’T BEEN TOLD FROM THE BEGINNING THAT HE NEEDS TO BE BOUNCED OUT OF OFFICE. SO I DON’T KNOW. THEY CAN RATCHET UP THE COVERED ALL THEY WANT. I DON’T KNOW WHETHER THEY ARE CONVINCING EVERYONE ON THE FENCE OR IN THE MIDDLE. >> Tucker: AT ALL. IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO TUNE OUT IN GENERAL FROM NEWS COVERAGE BECAUSE, LIKE HOW LONG CAN YOU KEEP -- >> OUR OUTRAGE CULTURE. WATCH ON MY SUPPOSED TO BE OUTRAGED ABOUT? I’M GOING TO GET OUTRAGED. JUST GIVE ME TWO SECONDS. UKRAINE, ALL RIGHT. >> Tucker: WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE TIME. AT TRUMP’S ELECTION, YOU HEARD PEOPLE SAY WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHO IS VOTERS ARE. THERE’S A WHOLE WORLD WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. WE SHOULD BE SYMPATHETIC TO THE TRUMP VOTERS. THAT LASTED FOR ABOUT 15 SECONDS THAT LASTED FOR ABOUT 15 SECONDS. >> YOU’RE WRONG. THEY LOOKED AND THERE WERE LIKE NEVER MIND! I THINK IT WAS A CONSCIOUS DECISION THAT WE DON’T WANT TO GO INTO THAT WORLD. LOOK AT THEM WITH THEIR GUNS IN THEIR COWBOY HATS. NO. I DON’T THINK THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA HAS ANY CONNECTION OF FLYOVER COUNTRY AND WHEN THEY MEANDER THROUGH MONTANA, THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A THING. IT’S A RODEO AND THEY TALKED DIFFERENTLY. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT VALUES. >> Tucker: SHOULDN’T THEY WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE COUNTRY THEY COVER? >> I THINK THEY THINK THEY DO. I THINK THEY BELIEVE THEY DO. BUT I THINK MOST PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, TAKE A LOOK AT THE GUY IN WASHINGTON STATE WHO WOULDN’T BAKE THE CAKE FOR THE GAY COUPLE
IN WASHINGTON STATE WHO WOULDN’T BAKE THE CAKE FOR THE GAY COUPLE AND THEY JUST THINK BIGOT. BIGOT. >> Tucker: THE MEDIA. >> THE PROBLEM IS IT SO MUCH MORE COMPLETED THAN THAT. >> Tucker: THAT’S FOR SURE. I HAVE TO ASK YOU, SINCE YOU HAD THIS VERY WELL COVERED CAREER AND YOU’VE TAKEN A YEAR TO THINK, WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED AFTER ALL OF IT? EVERYTHING THAT’S HAPPENED. >> VERY LITTLE. I DON’T LEARN SO WELL. >> Tucker: [LAUGHS] >> I AM LIKE WOODY ALLEN. I AM 48 YEARS OLD AND I’VE LEARNED NOTHING. NO. I HAVE LEARNED A THING OR TWO. WHAT COMES TO MIND IS THE GOODNESS OF HUMANITY. THE KINDNESS OF STRANGERS. AS AWFUL AS THE MEDIA CAN BE, ACTUAL HUMANS ARE AWESOME AND LOVING AND KIND AND HELPFUL. I THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE I LEFT FOX NEWS IN JANUARY OF ’17 AND THE REASON I LEFT IS BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE WITH MY FAMILY. I WAS MISSING MY KIDS’ CHILDHOOD. THEY WERE LITTLE. 7, 5, 3. I COULD STILL SEE IT AND BE PART OF IT. NOW I’M DOING IT. I’VE SPENT THE PAST YEAR IN PARTICULAR BUT EVEN BEFORE THAT, WITH THEM AND I AM MOTHERING MY OWN KIDS. THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR THAT. I LOST MY DAD WHEN I WAS 15 YEARS OLD, AND SO I KNOW, I KNOW ON AN INHERENT BASIS. YOU DON’T GET A DO OVER. I’M THERE AND I’M ENJOYING IT. I WILL GET BACK ON THE WAR SOON. THIS HAS BEEN FUN.
